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« Reply #2970 on: Sunday, June 11, 2017, 21:29:26 »

Going back to the original point about names... well done to the England U 20's for winning their WC.

 Here's the problem though, will many of them get a chance to develop into full internationals?  The standard on display yesterday at Hampden was woeful... ok they can use the excuse of it coming at a funny time... when several have already been on hols, but it was very similar to Iceland game last summer, players unable to pass, control a ball, kick a corner etc.

 Had it been v any half decent side England would have deservedly lost.

There needs to be some sort of structure in place to help these lads to develop... as they'll not get much game time at Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City, Man Ure etc and it's not te Checkatrade trophy

There needs to be a better structure because we all know what will happen to them most of then next season - they'll be out on loan, some to L2, some in L1 a few in the Championships. Top prospects might get a lower Premier League club and some will go abroad to all sorts of random teams.

The real thing that needs to change is the big clubs ability to stock pile so many youth players.
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« Reply #2971 on: Monday, June 12, 2017, 09:25:24 »

Going back to the subject of names, Leeds have a kid called Ronaldo Viera on their books
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« Reply #2972 on: Monday, June 12, 2017, 12:54:06 »

The real thing that needs to change is the big clubs ability to stock pile so many youth players.
Absolutely this. And some kind of wage cap for youth players. There are kids going through Premiership academies who are "earning" enough to retire before the age of 20 without ever getting near the 1st team, purely because if club X doesn't pay it, club Y will, even for average players (within a context, obviously)
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« Reply #2973 on: Monday, June 12, 2017, 20:03:04 »

Absolutely this. And some kind of wage cap for youth players. There are kids going through Premiership academies who are "earning" enough to retire before the age of 20 without ever getting near the 1st team, purely because if club X doesn't pay it, club Y will, even for average players (within a context, obviously)
As proved by the Chelsea youngsters at Swindon last season,  rumoured to be on 19k a week.
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« Reply #2974 on: Monday, June 12, 2017, 20:58:15 »

rumoured to be on 19k a week.

Fuck off!!

(I don't mean you/the rumour - just not heard it before and to be frank a barely L1 standard player on that is ...games gone!).
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« Reply #2975 on: Monday, June 12, 2017, 21:09:25 »

I heard that feruz was on 19k. Not sure about the other 2.
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« Reply #2976 on: Monday, June 12, 2017, 21:14:20 »

feruz, fucking feruz. jesus.
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« Reply #2977 on: Monday, June 12, 2017, 21:58:23 »

League Cup draw... in Thailand. 'Nuff said.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40249237

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Shit the BBC is full of things for this thread today.

Thanking league clubs for the checkatrade trophy in the same breath as talking about the U20 victory.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40252921

The FA claiming their philosophy is somehow responsible for the U20 victory. As if.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40226926

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« Reply #2978 on: Monday, June 12, 2017, 22:20:42 »


The FA claiming their philosophy is somehow responsible for the U20 victory. As if.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40226926
Agree with most of the rest of what you said, and am usually more than happy to join in having a pop at the FA, but I think here they can and should take some credit. They're trying to introduce a coherent philosophy of how they want England teams to play across the age groups, and not just at the elite level but pushing down into grassroots as well (less convicingly tbh but they are pushing it). And if this is just a one-off then yep, sneer away. But hopefully it's the start of a more coherent England development pathway that is just a pale shadow of what Germany and Spain have had for years but probably the best we can hope for while the PL clubs hold so much sway.
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« Reply #2979 on: Tuesday, June 13, 2017, 05:20:00 »

Absolutely this. And some kind of wage cap for youth players. There are kids going through Premiership academies who are "earning" enough to retire before the age of 20 without ever getting near the 1st team, purely because if club X doesn't pay it, club Y will, even for average players (within a context, obviously)

It will never, ever happen...but...football would be better for taking a leaf out of the NFLs book.
Scrap all the club specific youth teams and have all football linked with sports colleges. When they've done 2 years at college (and have some qualifications to fall back on) then they are eligible to be drafted - team who finished lowest in the pyramid (so National League Play Off winners) go first and can select any 18 year old out of any college they want then the National League winners, 22nd in D3, 21st in D3

Automatically the player is given a 4 year contract with a capped wage and cant be transferred until they are at least 2 years into that contract.

However, clubs can trade their picks.

So, lets say hypothetically there is an 18 year old at college setting the world a light. He's the English Messi and has the brightest future going. Then come the draft FGR (as NL play off winners) have first draft pick.

They can select the 18 year old wonder kid, knowing they will have him for a minimum of 2 years and then can sell him - which if he lives up to the hype will net FGRs a decent amount of money.

Of they can trade their #1 so lets say Manchester City, Chelsea and Manchester United all want this English Messi, they can approach FGR. Chelsea could for example say we'll trade you our #92 draft pick and £15m for your #1 draft pick. So FGR can then decide rather than the English Messi, they'd rather take £15m now - which they can invest in infrastructure or use to improve their team by buying 7 or 8 new players, they can use to it have a higher wage budget and then be able to attract better players than they could previously.

Obviously never going to happen but would be better imo
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« Reply #2980 on: Tuesday, June 13, 2017, 11:58:49 »

It will never, ever happen...but...football would be better for taking a leaf out of the NFLs book.
Scrap all the club specific youth teams and have all football linked with sports colleges. When they've done 2 years at college (and have some qualifications to fall back on) then they are eligible to be drafted - team who finished lowest in the pyramid (so National League Play Off winners) go first and can select any 18 year old out of any college they want then the National League winners, 22nd in D3, 21st in D3

Automatically the player is given a 4 year contract with a capped wage and cant be transferred until they are at least 2 years into that contract.

However, clubs can trade their picks.

So, lets say hypothetically there is an 18 year old at college setting the world a light. He's the English Messi and has the brightest future going. Then come the draft FGR (as NL play off winners) have first draft pick.

They can select the 18 year old wonder kid, knowing they will have him for a minimum of 2 years and then can sell him - which if he lives up to the hype will net FGRs a decent amount of money.

Of they can trade their #1 so lets say Manchester City, Chelsea and Manchester United all want this English Messi, they can approach FGR. Chelsea could for example say we'll trade you our #92 draft pick and £15m for your #1 draft pick. So FGR can then decide rather than the English Messi, they'd rather take £15m now - which they can invest in infrastructure or use to improve their team by buying 7 or 8 new players, they can use to it have a higher wage budget and then be able to attract better players than they could previously.

Obviously never going to happen but would be better imo
Thank you for explaining that. I wondered how the draft system worked, thanks again.
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« Reply #2981 on: Tuesday, June 13, 2017, 15:06:44 »

£30m for Jordan Pickford; simply crazy money being thrown around in football
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« Reply #2982 on: Tuesday, June 13, 2017, 16:23:24 »


Thanking league clubs for the checkatrade trophy in the same breath as talking about the U20 victory.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/40252921


Saw that too - utter bullshit. Anyone know how many of the England U20's played in the Checkatrade? The Prem clubs have only been in it for a season, so hardly likely to have contributed at all/much to the World Cup win for the youngers.
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« Reply #2983 on: Thursday, June 15, 2017, 14:07:00 »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-40283286

Perhaps this is the bit of needle we were lacking in our team last season?
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« Reply #2984 on: Saturday, June 17, 2017, 12:21:14 »

John Terry subject of a £100,000 pw bid from Birmingham, a Championship team that missed relegation by 2 points on the final day of last season...madness.
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