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« Reply #33090 on: Monday, August 10, 2020, 17:24:46 »

Ah, the overuse of the phrase "disgusting"
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« Reply #33091 on: Monday, August 10, 2020, 17:39:11 »

An arsehole is an arsehole, doesn't matter their ethnicity.

Quite. But you need to reread my reply.
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« Reply #33092 on: Monday, August 10, 2020, 17:40:58 »

Ah, the overuse of the phrase "disgusting"

Disgrace is a favourite...or as it's usually spelt "disc race". Never been one for watching CDs run but whatever floats the boat.
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« Reply #33093 on: Monday, August 10, 2020, 17:44:28 »

Quite. But you need to reread my reply.

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« Reply #33094 on: Monday, August 10, 2020, 23:29:54 »

Please, no  Smiley
Are you stereotyping white people by any chance Bambi?

It was quite a short reply for me honest  Wink

No, not at all. I stated...

Not all but I'm pretty sure there will be some...

Surely it is fairly accurate that their would be some correlation but not all? Had I been stereotyping, surely I would have said something foolish like "Oh all of them fighting on the beach were all just racists idiots it's obvious."

However it did bring a smile and I thought of the Churchill line '...we will fight them on the beaches..', hence the irony of it.

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« Reply #33095 on: Tuesday, August 11, 2020, 09:51:31 »

The BBC and SKY going out to sea on immigrant safaris.
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« Reply #33096 on: Tuesday, August 11, 2020, 10:03:33 »

The BBC and SKY going out to sea on immigrant safaris.

Its basically misery porn isn't it.
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« Reply #33097 on: Tuesday, August 11, 2020, 10:08:50 »

It's also feeding the 'IT'S AN INVASION' set.
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« Reply #33098 on: Tuesday, August 11, 2020, 10:12:28 »

The BBC and SKY going out to sea on immigrant safaris.
The widely shared BBC coverage yesterday was particularly disgusting as the reporter essentially commentated on the refugees struggling to bail water out of their boat (i.e. stop themselves from drowning) while he chugged along nice and safe without even attempting to help. Not least because this is a violation of international maritime law which requires vessels to come to the aid of other boats in distress. The reporter and the whole BBC team should be prosecuted for that, absolutely foul.

Still, at least it's providing a convenient distraction from the failure of Track and Trace, the economy tanking etc etc. Never mind the country going to shit, here's some brown people to hate
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« Reply #33099 on: Tuesday, August 11, 2020, 10:15:30 »

Maybe the coastguard/border patrol were on their way or already there.

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« Reply #33100 on: Tuesday, August 11, 2020, 10:23:06 »

Disgrace is a favourite...or as it's usually spelt "disc race". Never been one for watching CDs run but whatever floats the boat.

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« Reply #33101 on: Tuesday, August 11, 2020, 10:33:47 »

Maybe the coastguard/border patrol were on their way or already there.

"Everything on TV is a lie"
Fair point, but I doubt the BBC crew knew or cared. As horlock says, it's pretty much misery porn, watching desperate people struggling to save their lives.

From Chapter 1 of 1984, an extract from Winston's Diary

"Last night to the flicks. All war films. One very good one of a ship full of refugees being bombed somewhere in the Mediterranean. Audience much amused by shots of a great huge fat man trying to swim away with a helicopter after him, first you saw him wallowing along in the water like a porpoise, then you saw him through the helicopters gunsights, then he was full of holes and the sea round him turned pink and he sank as suddenly as though the holes had let in the water, audience shouting with laughter when he sank. then you saw a lifeboat full of children with a helicopter hovering over it. there was a middle-aged woman might have been a jewess sitting up in the bow with a little boy about three years old in her arms. little boy screaming with fright and hiding his head between her breasts as if he was trying to burrow right into her and the woman putting her arms round him and comforting him although she was blue with fright herself, all the time covering him up as much as possible as if she thought her arms could keep the bullets off him. then the helicopter planted a 20 kilo bomb in among them terrific flash and the boat went all to matchwood. then there was a wonderful shot of a child's arm going up up up right up into the air a helicopter with a camera in its nose must have followed it up"
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« Reply #33102 on: Tuesday, August 11, 2020, 12:09:37 »

The BBC and SKY going out to sea on immigrant safaris.

ALL LIVES MATTER!!

NO NOT THOSE ONES!!
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« Reply #33103 on: Tuesday, August 11, 2020, 16:54:04 »

*The rest of you will hate me but I'm sure PaulD won't mind the scripture. Feel free to skip as per but the comment did have me thinking (dangerous, I know)

Fair point, but I doubt the BBC crew knew or cared. As horlock says, it's pretty much misery porn, watching desperate people struggling to save their lives.

From Chapter 1 of 1984, an extract from Winston's Diary



I always have quick look to 1984 and find there is yet another glaringly obvious extract within, so I shall pinch this (technically).

RE: comment in bold. Although yes the press do seem to be very much modern day sadists and I'm sure media worldwide can't wait for 1m Covid deaths globally, so they can do an extra special feature, likely not in so much an informative way but just the glorification of a benchmark. No doubt some news channels already have their "approach to one million" ticker in running 24/7. As if it were the excitement of the countdown to the transfer deadline day (which we all know is bollocks anyway). If they haven't, from about 900k onwards most will. Pretty sad.

But, the "don't care" comment did make me suddenly think of acclaimed photographer Kevin Carter. Carter, if you didn't know took the world famous image during a famine of a  child crawling along a track, with a vulture following behind. Of course this image captured the essence and realness of death and famine, all in one shot. Carter as well as getting acclaim for the image, also came under constant harassment and criticism. Saying why did he not pick up the child or save him etc. It brings into an important question regarding journalism/photojournalism; do you interfere with the scenario or do you purely just document it in its most true sense?

Referring Carter and your point, he was purely documenting a real moment but does this mean he didn't care? Reportedly, despite Pulitzer Prize acclaim (I'm sure he didn't want it for such an image), the image did haunt Carter for the rest of his life. However he did take action that we do not see in the image. Not direct, he didn't pick up the child (later revealed that they had been informed not to touch anyone, living or dead) but he chased the Vulture away and then made sure the girl made it to the UN center (which was behind him in the shot). We can't always know the true extended fate of the child but was it his place to interfere to a degree beyond the situation he was witnessing; an ethical dilemma between professional and the reading/viewing public?

I'm sure many of us would instantly say "yes of course I would do more" but in a situation we often behave differently to how we think we would. This isn't to defend the BBC Journos on the boat but maybe as Batch said, possibly assistance was already on the way. A media corps are hardly going to report that though (maybe later when initial effect has worn off) because that isn't as impactful. Sometimes, the perspective of what we see, isn't always all of what we are shown.

Consequently, Carter committed suicide around a year later. Whether this was due to guilt relating to the image (even though he did "help") or more likely he had his own struggles that went deeper but he must've cared. Maybe seeing the famine scenario first hand, to then come home and see people living a wasteful life (food etc) was too much. Perhaps it wasn't the image that haunted him but how so many humans would see the image then turn the page, close the browser and carry on a consumer heavy life.

My own personal favourite photographer is Cartier-Bresson and this relates to the ethical part. Cartier-Bresson was all about finding images that defined a particular moment. That chance of being there and the power it encompasses. So much more than an image which is staged or set up. It could be the moment someone tucks into their favourite food, a response to a joke (not mine), as a tear falls at a funeral. A lot of the time we capture so much but it isn't "real". Other than being in the moment and ingrained in the memory, these defining moments aren't always captured. Which is probably why they surprise or shock us more when we do get to see them. The point is, you can have a photographer take images of your family and I promise that the more candid shots will be hands down better received or talked about than those that have been purposely staged/posed for. Not interfering with the course of the moment and allowing it to flow; which then relates back to earlier comment.

For us to throwaway that a journo doesn't care or isn't bothered, is a lot easier to state when viewed through print or device from our kitchen tables but it doesn't mean it accurately represents them.

*As a side note, Paparazzi are a different kettle of fish. There is capturing a moment but if you are purposely hunting down, harassing and hounding an individual then the ethical element changes somewhat. They aren't necessarily trying to define a moment or inform us about something important, they are purely (and in most cases) trying to get a sought after image (often a celeb or their child) first, to be able to sell for as much as possible. Some will say that it is all relative but I would say many of those don't care about the individuals in that scenario. That is though, another story that I will gladly relieve you of Wink


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« Reply #33104 on: Tuesday, August 11, 2020, 19:08:08 »

Currently supping in Bridport. Just seen some knobber in a BRFC shirt.  I don't understand the need for adult men to wear replica shirts at the best of times.
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