Who controls Swindon Council now?

[Rich Pullen]

Can't be any worse than the last 12 year of Labour Sonic.

Were the first years of Blair really that bad?

I agree with sonic, it can get worse. I don't want anyone to prove that statement though.

[Talk Talk]

Because it would quite readily be abused by some power hungry collective. I won't deny that its a pretty picture you paint. But it just won't work

It has been tried before in a few cultures in Europe in the early 18th century. Successfully. Iceland was a good example.

So it hasn't been attempted on a large scale since, but why not give it a go? It can't be any worse than the utter mess we have now. It needs a chance. If it turns out to be a crap philosophy then we will have learnt something and we can adopt Gordon Brown's son's political philosophy instead. Erm...

[Bogus Dave]

Fucking hell. Would you like another barrel to scrape at? We haven't used horse drawn carriages since the early 20th century, you don't see people clammering to see them bought back

[Talk Talk]

it can get much much worse.

You cannot be serious. Every single labour government that this country has had has brought it close to ruin, financially and socially. It generally takes a two term conservative administration to get it back to stability (which the electorate do not like as it is painful medicine) and then it goes back to the "spend like madmen, tax like Genghis Khan" labour government.

Boom and bust my arse. Socialism is a busted flush and conservatism is a busted aspirin.

We need a completely different approach.

[Rich Pullen]

....so in come the Conservatives... Great.

(I always vote, I've never voted Labour or Cons)

[Iffy's Onion Bhaji]

Were the first years of Blair really that bad?

I agree with sonic, it can get worse. I don't want anyone to prove that statement though.

But how can it? We're in the middle of a crippling recession. The economy is all but fucked, unemployment is higher than it has been since the early 90s. I don't see how a Tory government can fuck up anything else because Labour have already completed the list.

[Talk Talk]

Fucking hell. Would you like another barrel to scrape at? We haven't used horse drawn carriages since the early 20th century, you don't see people clammering to see them bought back

<unabusive post for Mex's and Sonic's delectation>What are you saying?

I don't understand your argument.

</unabusive post for Mex's and Sonic's delectation>

[Rich Pullen]

It's a sad time when David Cameron is seen as a saviour. Fucking depressing.

[Talk Talk]

It's a sad time when David Cameron is seen as a saviour. Fucking depressing.

Agreed.

Fucking dire.

[flammableBen]

What do you think the freemarket is talk talk?

[sonicyouth]

i don't understand how you can equate new labour to socialism at all. neither government is solely responsible for destroying the country over the course of history, it's been a series of fuck ups. but that's politics.

anyway, i expect i'm just naïve, young and ignorant (but of course!) but i do recall the tories being in power during the last major recession...

[Bogus Dave]

<unabusive post for Mex's and Sonic's delectation>What are you saying?

I don't understand your argument.

</unabusive post for Mex's and Sonic's delectation>

I was suggesting that the fact that you were comparing 18th century iceland to 21st century britain was a very poor excuse for putting forward your system of government. You could say i thought you were scraping the barrel somewhat.

I then backed up this point by saying we don't use horse drawn carriages anymore. These were used in the 18th century too. I used this phrase to try and portray my emotion that i believed the idea to be extremely outdated for the modern world, in much the same way a horse and cart is now seen by many to be an inferior mode of transport, in relation to the motor vehicle.

I hope this clears up any confusion, and i will gladly answer any further queries you may have regarding my post.

[Talk Talk]

What do you think the freemarket is talk talk?

Unregulated, unencumbered capitalism.

Unlike anything we have seen in this country ever.

The closest the world has ever had was the American midwest before the US government got it's sticky paws on it. It was a time of peaceful free trade co-existence where the population got on with their lives and bought and sold the things necessary for existing. The market decided the price of goods and land. Law and order was not a problem (contrary to what Hollywood would have us believe) because the settlers would not stand for anything that encroached on their well being. When the government interfered it fucked it up with taxes and laws that perverted a natural balanced economy.

[Talk Talk]

I was suggesting that the fact that you were comparing 18th century iceland to 21st century britain was a very poor excuse for putting forward your system of government. You could say i thought you were scraping the barrel somewhat.

I then backed up this point by saying we don't use horse drawn carriages anymore. These were used in the 18th century too. I used this phrase to try and portray my emotion that i believed the idea to be extremely outdated for the modern world, in much the same way a horse and cart is now seen by many to be an inferior mode of transport, in relation to the motor vehicle.

I hope this clears up any confusion, and i will gladly answer any further queries you may have regarding my post.

I wasn't comparing 18th century Iceland to the Britain of today.

I said that a free market economy without a government had been tried at that time and it was successful.

<abuse> Are you thick? </abuse>

[Bogus Dave]

You are making the point that a system which worked in 18th century iceland worked, so why not try it now. Which is like saying horses and carriages worked in the 18th century, why not try it now. The world has moved on.

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