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« Reply #195 on: Friday, August 14, 2009, 21:44:25 » |
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I admire your faith in mankind Talk Talk, i really do. But Human beings do not tend to work like that.
How much do people give to charity in this country? That is after they have been taxed on their income. I will tell you - £12bn a year. I think it does work. |
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« Reply #196 on: Friday, August 14, 2009, 21:48:20 » |
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I hope the cunt who is moaning ends up bankrupt and has to rely on the nhs.
And he would say that he has been forced to contribute to the NHS against his will all of his life and is entitled to receive NHS treatment. He has paid for it  |
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« Reply #197 on: Friday, August 14, 2009, 21:51:31 » |
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How much do people give to charity in this country? That is after they have been taxed on their income.
I will tell you - £12bn a year.
I think it does work.
Ok. So if all charitable donations went to fund a health system for the poor, all other charitys would wither and die. Have you thought this through? And he would say that he has been forced to contribute to the NHS against his will all of his life and is entitled to receive NHS treatment. He has paid for it Again, have you thought this through? If someone proposes scrapping 'Free' Healthcare, there will be no fall back option, no second chances. Thats it man. They finished. Its over. Over man. |
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« Reply #198 on: Friday, August 14, 2009, 21:55:26 » |
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Ok.
So if all charitable donations went to fund a health system for the poor, all other charitys would wither and die. Have you thought this through? Yes, I have. You did not understand what the implication was. If I did not have to pay 10% of my gross income to the NHS I would be free to contribute more to other charities, say a medical one. Well actually as a contractor I also have to pay the employer's 12% as well so nearly a quarter of my income goes on propping up that creaking bureaucracy. Again, have you thought this through? If someone proposes scrapping 'Free' Healthcare, there will be no fall back option, no second chances. Thats it man. They finished. Its over. Over man.
See previous post about charity. |
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« Reply #199 on: Friday, August 14, 2009, 21:59:37 » |
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If he does not like the healthcare system and does not want to pay the tax then he should fuck off. Bet he is ok with my tax paying for his house and private healthcare though isn't he.
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« Reply #200 on: Friday, August 14, 2009, 22:01:29 » |
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Yes, I have. You did not understand what the implication was. If I did not have to pay 10% of my gross income to the NHS I would be free to contribute more to other charities, say a medical one. Well actually as a contractor I also have to pay the employer's 12% as well so nearly a quarter of my income goes on propping up that creaking bureaucracy. And just to emphasise this, from my gross income I pay 22% to the NHS and 40% in income tax. So that's 62% gone before I even start to pay VAT, petrol, alcohol and tobacco duty, council tax, road tax, tax tax, tax tax tax. And you think I get good value for money from any of this rip off that I am forced to pay under threat of imprisonment? Nope. |
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« Reply #201 on: Friday, August 14, 2009, 22:02:37 » |
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If he does not like the healthcare system and does not want to pay the tax then he should fuck off. Bet he is ok with my tax paying for his house and private healthcare though isn't he.
Well of course he is. There are two sets of rules in play, but the majority of us only get the shitty end of the stick because we are 'cattle' in the great tax livestock farming empire that is the United Kingdom. |
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« Reply #202 on: Friday, August 14, 2009, 22:05:43 » |
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Cue Paul D and wanky comment about tin foil hats and conspiracies. I see life a lot more clearly than I want to Nighty night. |
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« Reply #203 on: Friday, August 14, 2009, 22:06:41 » |
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Cue Paul D and wanky comment about tin foil hats and conspiracies.
Nighty night.
Nah, you're doing just fine by yourself |
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« Reply #204 on: Friday, August 14, 2009, 22:08:30 » |
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Oh sheesh.
I do hope he sleeps well.
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« Reply #205 on: Friday, August 14, 2009, 22:24:32 » |
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See i just don't get people like you Alan. You hate this country you hate everything about it from the goverment to new football stadiums.You have a choice mate if it bugs you that much then live elsewhere but you wont and i will tell you why,it is because as much as this country is shit in your eyes you know damn well we have it much better than most
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« Reply #206 on: Friday, August 14, 2009, 22:29:00 » |
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Something of a naive comment I feel. It is Middle Britain or Middle America which determines the future political administration. Many Americans may be conservative in their views with regard to some issues but are susceptible towards taking a socialist view on other matters. Perhaps you've been eating some dodgy ants.
Interesting that you feel Middle exists ! OK in my naivety I suppose I should remain happy after my dodgy ants that I visit the Vets and not the NHS then ? |
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« Reply #207 on: Friday, August 14, 2009, 22:29:12 » |
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Well of course he is.
There are two sets of rules in play, but the majority of us only get the shitty end of the stick because we are 'cattle' in the great tax livestock farming empire that is the United Kingdom.
Life isn't fair. Move on. |
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« Reply #208 on: Friday, August 14, 2009, 22:33:43 » |
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I sort of get the idea of removing central government, and don't deny private healthcare is an option that has previously been used and could work. However, just to show there are cunts in the world, I would not pay a charity (laziness not nastiness) and would probably even end up not paying for healthcare (laziness, won't happen to me attitude).
I already "risk" on car insurance by always selecting the cheapest fully comp on offer, regardless of all the bits it may not cover me for. I buy it because I am forced to. Clearly is I had a choice and took this attitude, I could seriously fuck up someone else's life if the worst happened and I caused a crash.
I think people are not inherently nice, quite the opposite, and that's why I also think Socialism always fails. The good samaritan story exists for a reason, plenty of people would and do walk on by. So long as that exists, absolutle free market and no government (in whatever form) approaches can't work.
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« Reply #209 on: Friday, August 14, 2009, 22:41:33 » |
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Oh, and I actually don't mind paying tax at source - would rather that than VAT, because my general lazy approach to things means I don't have to worry about all the things that get paid for. My bins get taken away and dealt with and I don't have to arrange it privately with a company. My healthcare is sorted without me having to set-up a policy and check it's coverage. My car can use tarmac to drive on without having to choose the route based on cost (I fucking hate toll roads). My daughter is schooled without me needing to budget for her attendance. Somebody else worries about whether the Nuclear Power Plants are up to scratch so I can buy my power from the cheapest supplier without worrying too much about whether it might blow up.
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