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Rich Pullen

« Reply #45 on: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 18:47:23 »

White riot, I wanna riot.

Probably the best comment on the thread Cheesy

Black man gotta lot a problems
But they don't mind throwing a brick
White people go to school
Where they teach you how to be thick

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flammableBen

« Reply #46 on: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 18:49:56 »

But you're not actually saying anything, or making any point relative to the discussion are you? Just saying that London's different over and over. I'm sure you're not the only person with experience of London.

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dell boy

« Reply #47 on: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 18:51:02 »

But you're not actually saying anything, or making any point relative to the discussion are you? Just saying that London's different over and over. I'm sure you're not the only person with experience of London.


If I say anymore I might be classed in the same vein as Ironside, which I do wish, so I will now shut up.
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Rich Pullen

« Reply #48 on: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 18:55:43 »

If I say anymore I might be classed in the same vein as Ironside, which I do wish, so I will now shut up.

You do?
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« Reply #49 on: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 18:56:24 »

You lot are funny. Despite the fact that one side will never convice the other of their point of you still the post fly back and forth. Why can't you just accept the other person point of you, we do of course live in a free country so what if Lumps hates black people or dell boy is a left winh tree hugger it is after all there choice.

With regards poverty and crime I think the agrument that being poor  is an excuse/reason for crime is a rather poor one. I spent 5 years living on a inner city council easte being looked after my by my single partent mum. We were poor as fuck, but my mum never stopped working neither me or my brother ever got into trouble with the police, we didn't hang around street corners nor we did we carry knifes. The fact is that being poor has fuck all to do with the choice people make to commint crime that is there choice and always will be. To suggest that poverty is an excuse or even a reason for crime is an insult to every hard working person who has dragged them self out of poverty.
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dell boy

« Reply #50 on: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 18:58:41 »

You do?
whoops, that should state which 'I do not wish'
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« Reply #51 on: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 19:11:31 »

I wouldnt go to the carnival,i like to enjoy myself with my family,not look over my shoulder hoping a gang of lowlife dosnt ruin my life.
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Lumps

« Reply #52 on: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 19:12:29 »

Lumps, with your post in mind you can equal up the problems between white and black youths very adequately.

The truth is we have a major problem with the youth element in the London boroughs, if that be knife crimes, drugs, robberies etc.

If you care to study these figures the main problem is black youths, now I'm not trying to be racist and please do not think I'm another Ironside.

If you believe the news broadcasts, the paper reports ... proportionally who is the major problem at the moment? They are obviously not the only element but they far outway any other.

Actually when you get behind the newspaper headlines and look at the real stats, crime isn't doing the mad mushrooming out of control that the media would have us all believe.  

Look at the 12 month rolling stats here.

http://www.met.police.uk/crimestatistics/docs/hist_perf.pdf

Doesn't really fit with the moral panic that's currently ongoing does it. Murder down, robbery down, gun crime down, Most Serious Violence and Assault with Injury down. What it tells us is all these stabbings that were being terrified by at the moment, were almost certainly happening last year and the year before to an even greater extent, but each one wasn't headline national news like they've been this year.

As for your comments about the racial profiling of certain categories of crime they're true enough. Street robbery has a higher proportion of black kids arrested, charged and convicted than amongst the general population, but in burglary it's lower than in the general population. Both are quite nasty property crimes and when you put them together the racial profile of the offenders is pretty much the same as the general pop?

What does that tell us? Well fuck all really. It's clearly more than a statistical anomaly, more of a clutural trend, but there are still black burglars and there are still white muggers, so it's not like you can generalise in investigating those crimes.

Overall there is a higher proportion of non -white people in prision than in the general population, about 10% compared to about 2-2.5%, but when you look at the stats at every stage of the policing and judicial system that's not suprising. Non-whites are 5 times more likely to be stopped and searched than white people, they're 4 times more likely to be arrested, more likely to receive a custodial sentence, get noticeably longer sentences than white people.

If you police a community more closely, are more inclined to imprison them, and almost always lock them up for longer, you're going to find there are more of them inside.

Let's face it the 19th century there were very few black people living in London but there was still plenty of street crime. Take the black faces away tomorrow and I can't imagine the streets would suddenly be wonderfully safe.
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Lumps

« Reply #53 on: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 19:18:05 »

No one's saying that criminal behaviour can be excused by poverty. It's just a far more significant correlation than race.

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« Reply #54 on: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 19:21:06 »

Fuck me gazas fat mate offers a very good point with regard to poor and crime
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« Reply #55 on: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 19:30:09 »

Thing is Lumps,the Black and Asians have lost there respect for ther elders in there own community ime afraid,theres a group of people in this country,a million in fact who we all could learn from Black and White,apart from very isolated incidents,you dont see them riot,they look after there old people,they work fukin hard and they love and treat England with respect....yes we could all take a leaf out of there book,and why are the Chinese different....easy,you fuk about in China your punished and if you really fuk about your punished permanent....dont think ive ever seen a Chinese mugger.
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« Reply #56 on: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 19:33:08 »

Fucking hell leefer you are mad, when was the last time you had respect of a white? This is a society problem not a fucking colour problem.
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« Reply #57 on: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 19:35:07 »

Thing is Lumps,the Black and Asians have lost there respect for ther elders in there own community ime afraid,theres a group of people in this country,a million in fact who we all could learn from Black and White,apart from very isolated incidents,you dont see them riot,they look after there old people,they work fukin hard and they love and treat England with respect....yes we could all take a leaf out of there book,and why are the Chinese different....easy,you fuk about in China your punished and if you really fuk about your punished permanent....dont think ive ever seen a Chinese mugger.

Have you ever heard of a small group called the Triads?
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Lumps

« Reply #58 on: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 20:19:25 »

Have you ever heard of a small group called the Triads?

That was pretty much going to be my response.
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« Reply #59 on: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 08:04:57 »

Thing is Lumps,the Black and Asians have lost there respect for ther elders in there own community ime afraid,theres a group of people in this country,a million in fact who we all could learn from Black and White,apart from very isolated incidents,you dont see them riot,they look after there old people,they work fukin hard and they love and treat England with respect....yes we could all take a leaf out of there book,and why are the Chinese different....easy,you fuk about in China your punished and if you really fuk about your punished permanent....dont think ive ever seen a Chinese mugger.
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