Am i the only one

[tans]

That thinks its a bit wrong that the MOD paid £3 million to 8 iraqi families for the torture and abuse of them. I dont undrstand how they can get so much when our troops go out to fight, lose a a limb or whatever and there compensation is capped at a crap amount?

[ron dodgers]

no I don't think it's wrong but what I do think is wrong is the crap compensation to our own troops. Although this would probably cost me an extra grand a year in tax.
So they shouldn't be tortured it's illegal.
Should get compensation
We should pay for uprated compensation for the military

sorted

[Elvis]

Sorry fella don't agree I don't want to pay extra taxes to pay for injured military folk.

No one is forced to join the army, navy, RAF.  It's a choice.

Not everyone agrees with the fact that our military is even in Iraq and Afghanistan, so to pay more taxes directly because of it is a kick in the nads to say the least.

[Colin Todd]

It does seem a bit much to me.  £3m divided by the 8 families (£375k each) will allow them to live like kings for the rest of their lives at the Iraqi cost of living

I think I'd take a beating for a few days from some soldiers for £375k to be honest. And thats bearing in mind you cant even get a really nice house for that in Southern England

[Rich Pullen]

Are you serious Elvis?

This is a typical modern day attitude - Soldiers sign up because they want to serve their country, it often has nothing to do with politics. I wonder what The UK would be like if we had our modern day selfish, pampered attitudes back when people didn't see the military as some kind nuisance.

We should be grateful that people are out there who want to risk their lives essentially for us. They don't complain, they get on with it.

Soldiers absolutely deserve more.

[Samdy Gray]

I can see Elvis' point, but when you consider 10 years ago if you signed up to the army you'd probably do one tour of duty every two or three years but these days it's not uncommon for you to be shipped off twice a year. It's an extra risk to their lives, but their pay and compensation has gone up in line with this.

[Lumps]

It does seem a bit much to me.  £3m divided by the 8 families (£375k each) will allow them to live like kings for the rest of their lives at the Iraqi cost of living

I think I'd take a beating for a few days from some soldiers for £375k to be honest. And thats bearing in mind you cant even get a really nice house for that in Southern England

Presumably that's assuming you weren't the poor fucker that was beaten to death by some of our brave boys whilst cuffed and hooded?

We can all imagine the level of compensation that would be paid out in a British court to someone who's murdered by the security forces whilst being held without charge? You'd be looking at a few million for that one case alone. I can't see why anyone elses life should be worth less.

And I can't really see anyone living like kings in Iraq at the moment.

[Colin Todd]

Presumably that's assuming you weren't the poor fucker that was beaten to death by some of our brave boys whilst cuffed and hooded?

We can all imagine the level of compensation that would be paid out in a British court to someone who's murdered by the security forces whilst being held without charge? You'd be looking at a few million for that one case alone. I can't see why anyone elses life should be worth less.

And I can't really see anyone living like kings in Iraq at the moment.

Thats what I'd be hoping for. yes.

You can beat me for £375k if you like?

[BANGKOK RED]

I'm with DRS on this one, and I'd gladly pay taxes for our boys. Whether it is their choice or not, we'd be up the Swanny without them.

And what about Tan's and our other FF's, nobody makes them do their job, does that mean that they should not be taken care of properly? And I wonder what kind of life/health insurance somebody in that kind of job? That's one for Tan's of course.

They don't go into much detail about the torture, but torture can be more than a beating leaving people emotionally scarred for life.

On a slightly different note I read an article the other day saying that about 50% of our forces are unhappy and want to quit, mostly due to conditions and frequent tours. This is the first such survey and so may mean nothing (It may always have been like that, it's surely a stressful job after all). But if it is a new development then it needs sorting.

[strooood]

Presumably that's assuming you weren't the poor fucker that was beaten to death by some of our brave boys whilst cuffed and hooded?

We can all imagine the level of compensation that would be paid out in a British court to someone who's murdered by the security forces whilst being held without charge? You'd be looking at a few million for that one case alone. I can't see why anyone elses life should be worth less.

And I can't really see anyone living like kings in Iraq at the moment.

as per usual in these threads, Lumps hits the nail on the head.

[Batch]

That poor fucker left children orphaned. Compensation seems fair enough for having your life ruined. The only sickening thing is that the soldiers that did it literally got away with murder (based on UK press reports, obviously I wasn't there).

[tans]

I'm with DRS on this one, and I'd gladly pay taxes for our boys. Whether it is their choice or not, we'd be up the Swanny without them.

And what about Tan's and our other FF's, nobody makes them do their job, does that mean that they should not be taken care of properly? And I wonder what kind of life/health insurance somebody in that kind of job? That's one for Tan's of course.

They don't go into much detail about the torture, but torture can be more than a beating leaving people emotionally scarred for life.

On a slightly different note I read an article the other day saying that about 50% of our forces are unhappy and want to quit, mostly due to conditions and frequent tours. This is the first such survey and so may mean nothing (It may always have been like that, it's surely a stressful job after all). But if it is a new development then it needs sorting.

We do get insured in our job all the time we are on duty. Unfortunately i have never had to claim on anything. I do know someone that broke their foot on a job and had to have surgery, through the brigade private health treatment was arranged along with various trips to Harley Street. Not thats really relevant.

What i do know is that if the shit hit the fan to me on a shout, the brigade would look after my mrs and family 100%.

I have also taken out life insurance but they sting you for it.

[Elvis]

I have also taken out life insurance but they sting you for it.

What do you expect life assurance companies to do, give you the same rates as a bloke who works in a non risk environment?  It's not a charity, it's all based on risk and likelihood of pay out fella.

In reply to Rich yeah I am serious to a certain extent, perhaps the limits should be upped slightly but I do not agree with compensation going through the roof for people who have voluntarily signed up.

In reply to Lumps, usually if you are killed you don't get that much in compensation, you get the real bucks if you are badly mentally/physical disabled for life.

And lastly Bangkok, what do you mean you'd pay more tax for our boys? You don't even pay UK tax, easy to make a statement like that when it doesn't effect you. (no offence - just making a statement).

[tans]

Im not complaining about the cost as i understand.
 
If you look at the figures, nationwide the chances are that you are more likely to die in a car crash than in a fire.

I think that makes sense....

but it probably doesnt.

[BANGKOK RED]

What do you expect life assurance companies to do, give you the same rates as a bloke who works in a non risk environment?  It's not a charity, it's all based on risk and likelihood of pay out fella.

Which gets yo the point janaage, if the insurance companies wont take care of these guys then surely it's up to the government.

And again define torture, just what exactly what did they do to these guys? We may never know for sure yet I suspect it could well have involved more than just a beating. The fact that the government themselves have compensated for torture as opposed to physical abuse suggests that techniques such as waterboarding may have been used.

I didn't take offence RE: the tax thing as I was expecting it, but I have paid my taxes quite happily in the UK before, without taking benefits (Even when unemployed) and will do so again should I return.