Pertol Prices (boycott)

[Colin Todd]

Lumps, not everyone with views to the right of yours in automatically a Daily Mail reader. I wouldnt read that sensationalist ignorant bollocks if you paid me.

And as for analysis of the goverments taxation policies, it is where I get the label socialist from.  Yeah, Labour have changed, yeah, they have moved to the centre ground a lot. We all know they had to because they were a fucking unelectable joke. But the still are the party of tax and spend, tax and spend, the party of big goverment.  I'd be less fucked off with them if the country was in a better state for all the extra money they take off me.

Also please tell us how you would re-arrange the global oil market without the use of capitalist policies?

[pauld]

And as for analysis of the goverments taxation policies, it is where I get the label socialist from.

What like the 10p tax band thing? Massively redistributive that wasn't it? Well, from the working poor to the middle classes it was. Tax and spend they may be, but they are not and never have been socialist.

[Colin Todd]

And as for analysis of the goverments taxation policies, it is where I get the label socialist from.

What like the 10p tax band thing? Massively redistributive that wasn't it? Well, from the working poor to the middle classes it was. Tax and spend they may be, but they are not and never have been socialist.

Yes they dropped a giant election losing bollock there, that frankly made no sense at all - but they've not gone after the working classes for the last 10 years have they?  

Working tax credits and other such bollocks -we tax you, then employ hundreds of civil servants in order to calculate how much we give back - are aimed excalty at the working classes.

Fair enough - maybe socailist is the wrong word. I'm struggling to know what the right one is. Wankers?

[Arriba]

tax on petrol has always been high.it's not suddenly gone through the roof.
the cost of oil barrels is the reason its going up like it is at the moment.
 makes no difference whatsoever who governs the country.
all the finacial shit our country is in cannot really be blamed on labour.its stuff going on around the world thats hitting home here too

[tans]

Lumps and Colin =  

[reeves4england]

For example a lad of 14 who is bottom of every class could be given the chance to work as a plumber gaining two years experience instead of  failing every exam not qualifying for college and then doing fuckall with his life because he has constantly been told he is not good enough at something.

There are already initiatives in place where kids can go and work 1, 2, 3 or 4 days a week and go into school for the rest. The school then monitors them and makes sure it is working out ok for them, and it gives them some sort of chance to get qualifications at the same time. Even if it is just a small number of scraped GCSEs, it might help in future.

[pauld]

For example a lad of 14 who is bottom of every class could be given the chance to work as a plumber gaining two years experience instead of  failing every exam not qualifying for college and then doing fuckall with his life because he has constantly been told he is not good enough at something.

There are already initiatives in place where kids can go and work 1, 2, 3 or 4 days a week and go into school for the rest. The school then monitors them and makes sure it is working out ok for them, and it gives them some sort of chance to get qualifications at the same time. Even if it is just a small number of scraped GCSEs, it might help in future.

Whether there are or not, I'd still rather hear DRS putting the case on QT than some of the smug wet lettuces they usually have.

[Jamiesfuturewife]

yep we had someone working at the sports centre who was on a scheme like that

[pauld]

And as for analysis of the goverments taxation policies, it is where I get the label socialist from.

What like the 10p tax band thing? Massively redistributive that wasn't it? Well, from the working poor to the middle classes it was. Tax and spend they may be, but they are not and never have been socialist.

Yes they dropped a giant election losing bollock there, that frankly made no sense at all - but they've not gone after the working classes for the last 10 years have they?  

Not done a hell of a lot to help them either. Nor have they gone for any kind of really socialist agenda - e.g. renationalisation etc etc. They've just tinkered at the edges of stuff and called it reform. Oh, and taken several huge leaps towards a police state in the name of "fighting the (imaginary) war on terror". Which is what a Tory government will do as well. We live in a post-ideological age in which politicians seek to be distinguished more by claims to a perceived competence than any compelling vision or even any real pretence at having any serious answers to the problems the country faces.

Fair enough - maybe socailist is the wrong word. I'm struggling to know what the right one is. Wankers?

Sounds fair to me. I wasn't arguing an ideological point so much as a pedantic one.

[Don Rogers Shop]

Too many people getting hung up on the 10p tax rate, the biggest single tax that drives the poor to poverty is the fuel duty tax, doesn't matter if your annual salary is £5000pa or £500000pa, when you roll up at the pumps and pay for your fuel you will pay Westminster approx £70 for every hundred you spend.

Absolutely out of order and we wonder why people are in debt, well its through paying taxes from their well earned money.
Perhaps before Mr Brown & co look at debts in poor countries he should look at the people that he alone has made poor in his own beloved Britain.

Another thing that really gets to me is these people who want the higher earners to pay more tax it is wrong to tax someone more just because they have done well for themselves it is that sort of attitude that is driving the wealthy out of this country.

Rant over

[janaage]

Taxing the higher paid just doesn't work, as the high rate tax payers can get around paying 40p in the pound.  Contributing to pensions for example.  There are ways of mitigating tax, and the rich can pay the people to find ways of doing so.

[pauld]

Taxing the higher paid just doesn't work, as the high rate tax payers can get around paying 40p in the pound.  Contributing to pensions for example.  There are ways of mitigating tax, and the rich can pay the people to find ways of doing so.

Fat cat

[Bushey Boy]

I wanted to make a point to the education minister

I believe that you can judge a teenager’s potential between the ages of 14- 16 yrs old so why would it not be beneficial for kids of this age to be doing 2 days a week employment for a company. For example a lad of 14 who is bottom of every class could be given the chance to work as a plumber gaining two years experience instead of  failing every exam not qualifying for college and then doing fuckall with his life because he has constantly been told he is not good enough at something.

If you tell people from an early age that they are not as good as other people all the time 9/10 of them will end up doing fuckall with their lives

(I would not have sworn if david had asked me though)

And Bushey stop being so immature

To be fair I cant even moan at that.  Its a good idea, did you want to be a plumber at 14?

[Don Rogers Shop]

No I wanted to be a violent smackhead

[Don Rogers Shop]

Being serious though the problem was I did not know what I wanted to do and by the time I had left school I just went from warehouse to warehouse (all agency shit)

If I had some proper work experience behind me then when I turned 16 I may have had a goal in life