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« Reply #15 on: Friday, March 28, 2008, 11:17:11 »

Just like pouring petrol on the flames over on their site though.

I hate the way that the Adver seem to think that their forum is THE voice of the fans.
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« Reply #16 on: Friday, March 28, 2008, 11:17:40 »

Im being positive !!! .. 21 points out of 21 on the way! Smiley
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« Reply #17 on: Friday, March 28, 2008, 11:18:47 »

One of the first rules of journalism - don't just report the news, make the news.

It sells more copies, gets reaction which in turn creates more opportunities for stories. And repeat, and repeat...

It's the way the media works.  :smile1:
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« Reply #18 on: Friday, March 28, 2008, 11:23:40 »

In his interview he is actually blaming the media for setting the negative tone... and therefore in my mind he's missed the point. The fans have had the arse for a few weeks now and after 1 win in 9 rightly so. He's giving the impression his finger is off the pulse on this front which makes him even easier to criticise.

For my money the club has not been clear, united and consistent in asserting realistic aims for this year. Given we've had a complete change of leadership that's perhaps understandable. That said, fans expectations have not been well managed as a result - ultimately making MM's job even harder for himself of late.

Perhaps if we'd talked 'consolidation and anything else is a bonus' on a clear and consistent basis we (fans) wouldn't have got overly carried away when we were just a few points off the P/Os.

I want the club to put proper foundations inplace (on and off the pitch) and we're not going to do that swapping and changing every five minutes. I'e been a bit baffled by some of what I seen of late but I want the fella given the same crack of the whip as Wise and Sturrock got, i.e. a full pre-season, a chance to get their own squad and backroom staff together etc. If he fails after enjoying that kind of backing, it's got to be curtains. That time is certainly not now though.

I know I sounds like a broken record but Lou Macari hardly had the best of starts to life at the CG did he?
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« Reply #19 on: Friday, March 28, 2008, 11:28:24 »

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In his interview he is actually blaming the media for setting the negative tone... and therefore in my mind he's missed the point. The fans have had the arse for a few weeks now and after 1 win in 9 rightly so. He's giving the impression his finger is off the pulse on this front which makes him even easier to criticise.

For my money the club has not been clear, united and consistent in asserting realistic aims for this year. Given we've had a complete change of leadership that's perhaps understandable. That said, fans expectations have not been well managed as a result - ultimately making MM's job even harder for himself of late.

Perhaps if we'd talked 'consolidation and anything else is a bonus' on a clear and consistent basis we (fans) wouldn't have got overly carried away when we were just a few points off the P/Os.

I want the club to put proper foundations inplace (on and off the pitch) and we're not going to do that swapping and changing every five minutes. I'e been a bit baffled by some of what I seen of late but I want the fella given the same crack of the whip as Wise and Sturrock got, i.e. a full pre-season, a chance to get their own squad and backroom staff together etc. If he fails after enjoying that kind of backing, it's got to be curtains. That time is certainly not now though.

I know I sounds like a broken record but Lou Macari hardly had the best of starts to life at the CG did he?


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« Reply #20 on: Friday, March 28, 2008, 12:32:28 »

agreed Mark, the biggest problem was the talk of play offs.  I'd have preferred something like "we need stability and a good 6-12 months of building up from the ground, which will mean we consolidate in the league, expect some periods where we don't always win and begin to look at the players in the full squad, using the remainder of this season as a testing ground".
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« Reply #21 on: Friday, March 28, 2008, 12:40:50 »

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In his interview he is actually blaming the media for setting the negative tone... and therefore in my mind he's missed the point. The fans have had the arse for a few weeks now and after 1 win in 9 rightly so. He's giving the impression his finger is off the pulse on this front which makes him even easier to criticise.

For my money the club has not been clear, united and consistent in asserting realistic aims for this year. Given we've had a complete change of leadership that's perhaps understandable. That said, fans expectations have not been well managed as a result - ultimately making MM's job even harder for himself of late.

Perhaps if we'd talked 'consolidation and anything else is a bonus' on a clear and consistent basis we (fans) wouldn't have got overly carried away when we were just a few points off the P/Os.

I want the club to put proper foundations inplace (on and off the pitch) and we're not going to do that swapping and changing every five minutes. I'e been a bit baffled by some of what I seen of late but I want the fella given the same crack of the whip as Wise and Sturrock got, i.e. a full pre-season, a chance to get their own squad and backroom staff together etc. If he fails after enjoying that kind of backing, it's got to be curtains. That time is certainly not now though.

I know I sounds like a broken record but Lou Macari hardly had the best of starts to life at the CG did he?
You say give him a fair crack of the whip but elsewhere you say Kaid has had his chance and we should ship him out .
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« Reply #22 on: Friday, March 28, 2008, 12:51:35 »

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agreed Mark, the biggest problem was the talk of play offs.  I'd have preferred something like "we need stability and a good 6-12 months of building up from the ground, which will mean we consolidate in the league, expect some periods where we don't always win and begin to look at the players in the full squad, using the remainder of this season as a testing ground".


the problem with that though is every club does it, 8 points behind the play offs with 40 plus left to play for you're going to say, if asked, that you still have a chance of the play offs.  No manager or player is going to say at that stage, "yeah we want to settle for mid table medicority".  

They're going to big it up.  

After all that's gone on with our club recently it really disappoints me that when the chips are down (on th epitch) we can't rally behind the lads and give them 100% support.  The atmosphere at the CG has been appalling recently and the talk on the net is just building up the pressure.
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« Reply #23 on: Friday, March 28, 2008, 14:01:30 »

FFS performances recently have not been good (baring Carlisle) and the results have followed this, I think that we have a right to ask questions as we watch the team slip down the table.

Would you be happy if we never won another game this season, would you still be thinking "let's give him next season to see what he does" it's not his fault they are not his players ?

Surely the sign of a good a good manager is when he is able to improve the players he has by getting that extra 10% and tinker to improve the squad ?

It would be so bad if we was playing well and was always unlucky to lose every game but it hasn't been.

It's not as if he inherated a team that was on a nose dive towards relegation.

I will give credit and praise when it is earnt and deserved.
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« Reply #24 on: Friday, March 28, 2008, 14:08:41 »

we are negative as the team is playing shit morris!
your continued use of square pegs in round holes is driving us round the bloody bend!
we have not improved at all sice mr malpas arrived.
he has it all to do imo.saying our performances have been "excellent" beggars belief.
surely this man is deluded?
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« Reply #25 on: Friday, March 28, 2008, 15:07:41 »

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Quote from: "RobertT"
agreed Mark, the biggest problem was the talk of play offs.  I'd have preferred something like "we need stability and a good 6-12 months of building up from the ground, which will mean we consolidate in the league, expect some periods where we don't always win and begin to look at the players in the full squad, using the remainder of this season as a testing ground".


the problem with that though is every club does it, 8 points behind the play offs with 40 plus left to play for you're going to say, if asked, that you still have a chance of the play offs.  No manager or player is going to say at that stage, "yeah we want to settle for mid table medicority".  

They're going to big it up.  

After all that's gone on with our club recently it really disappoints me that when the chips are down (on th epitch) we can't rally behind the lads and give them 100% support.  The atmosphere at the CG has been appalling recently and the talk on the net is just building up the pressure.


The trouble is, they have neither commited publically and 'gone for it' or held back.

As for my Kaid remarks, he has had the same amount of opportunities in training (including a full pre-season) and the reserves to impress as any of the other reserves. If we had only had him for 2 or three months and shown him the door I'd have shared the same sentiments as I do towards MM.
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« Reply #26 on: Friday, March 28, 2008, 15:15:46 »

The simple fact is the football and the results have not been good enough. If Malpas had come out at some point and said listen these are not my players give me a chance in summer etc and see what I do then judge me I think a lot of people who are unsure would of maybe thought twice. Instead he has come out and said whats the problem we are playing good football when we clearly are not .
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« Reply #27 on: Friday, March 28, 2008, 15:40:28 »

Neither were they initially under Lou Macari, and yet with time he managed to lay the foundations for what became a near decade of incredible success. He was literally kicked out the door at one stage!

I'm not saying the same (i.e. unbridled on-pitch success) will definitely happen under Malpas but after just a clutch of games how do we honestly know either way?

I'm as frustrated as anyone but a knee-jerk sacking of the manager is only going to perpetuate the problems that have beset this club for the last decade. I'm willing to place my full trust in the new board and their managerial choice until such a time as he has enjoyed a proper crack of the whip and still not improved upon our current on-pitch predicaments.

I would agree however that his current 'public' optimism is a little misplaced.
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« Reply #28 on: Friday, March 28, 2008, 15:42:07 »

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The simple fact is the football and the results have not been good enough. If Malpas had come out at some point and said listen these are not my players give me a chance in summer etc and see what I do then judge me I think a lot of people who are unsure would of maybe thought twice. Instead he has come out and said whats the problem we are playing good football when we clearly are not .


If he had come out and said that you would probably of said he was just making excuses and if he cant motivate these players he will struggle to motivate any.  

These players have been inconsistent under the last 3 managers and still are now.  

Some people have took an instant dislike to Malpas and refuse to explore all the reasons that could be between our slide down the league.

When evaluating our current form you need to look at the players, the coaching team and Malpas the buck does not just stop with the manager.  

These same players were not setting the world alight under Sturrock this season, the coaching team has no experience of working with first teams and the manager doesn't have a proven track record.  Let the manager bring in some experienced specialist coaches and his own players then lets see how we get on.
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« Reply #29 on: Friday, March 28, 2008, 15:44:37 »

Perhaps though his current public copmments come from a man feeling the pressure of the bad run we are on and not being sure how to fix it and perhaps his experiences of Motherwell are playing on his mind ?
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