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« Reply #15 on: Thursday, December 20, 2007, 00:47:22 »

No i don't do that! I just need every little last scrap of ram and resource for my apps. I also like silence, so big fans and stupid cooling, are a no no. Unless i could get me some water cooling, then i might be tempted.  Oops

To be fair i've never considered it. I love my stability, believe it or not, so overclocking would be too much of a risk for my liking.

In my younger days i also bought a brand new Barton Core AMD and a lovely copper heat pipe heat sink both at great expense. Lets just say it never lived long enough for me to see how it ran, as i forgot to put thermal paste on the fan when i attached it, heard an alarm about 10 seconds into the boot, then nothing. That left a very nasty taste in my mouth and I don't fancy the taste of deliberately trying to cook any new cpu. Smiley
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« Reply #16 on: Thursday, December 20, 2007, 00:48:25 »

i didn't understand a word of that  Cheesy
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« Reply #17 on: Thursday, December 20, 2007, 00:49:42 »

Oh...  Oops

Maybe i should start overclocking then. Cheesy
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« Reply #18 on: Thursday, December 20, 2007, 00:50:57 »

just a term i heard from a mate who likes messing with pcs. seems akin to putting a catering size baked bean can of an exhaust pipe on a 1.2 Nova to me.
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« Reply #19 on: Thursday, December 20, 2007, 01:05:34 »

It is really. It's just running a little bit more power through a processor to create greater umph. This causes the processor to run hotter and eventually become unstable. Some say there is a risk a blackhole could be created. I think they're speaking bollocks though, but that's just a hunch, but then i know a lot less than i pretend to.
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« Reply #20 on: Thursday, December 20, 2007, 08:48:09 »

Having had a quick read of the symproms....IMO

When you installed the sound card did you disable the onboard sound on the mobo...if it had onboard sound? as that will lock the pc up totally on boot up after the bios boots.

If you had no onboard sound then does it boot up in safe mode uninstall the sound card as that could be faulty.

Or just remove the sound card totally and boot the PC up...does that work?

If it does then it could be the card itself or the driver is fucked.

If it does not boot up then it could well be the GPU, are the sound and GPU card sat in the mobo straight? if they are even slightly askew it wont contact properly and will stop it booting.

There is a good chance that you have burnt the GPU but in such a short time it sounds unlikely as it usually takes a little longer..unless you have poor airflow.

If the GPU has burnt then yes it can boot up to bios then fall over as soon as the components get hot, if you dont need a great graphics card...as we talked about before...then get one with not cooling fan, cheap and cheerful, about £15in vat and p+p.

But to me it doesnt sound like the mobo has fucked but either the sound or graphics cards, with it mor elikely to be the sound card.

As for overclocking...nice and easy...most mobos and chips can easily cope with 10%-15% extra and the bios comes with an auto overclock now, easy peasy....try resetting the bios if all goes pear shaped!
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« Reply #21 on: Thursday, December 20, 2007, 09:06:46 »

Overclocking has saved me a few hundred quid. I'm quite happy about that. The new heatsink only cost £15 including p&p and it allows me to overclock my processor by well over 1 ghz extra.
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« Reply #22 on: Thursday, December 20, 2007, 09:33:29 »

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Having had a quick read of the symproms....IMO

When you installed the sound card did you disable the onboard sound on the mobo...if it had onboard sound? as that will lock the pc up totally on boot up after the bios boots.


Yeah completely disabled.

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If you had no onboard sound then does it boot up in safe mode uninstall the sound card as that could be faulty.

Or just remove the sound card totally and boot the PC up...does that work?


Soundcard was removed, no change. The card should be sound, and when windows did work, it had no issue, until i attempted to put the drivers on.

Couldn't get the thing into safemode as f8 is also boot order and there is a tiny amount of time before post screen and blank screen. Sad

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If it does not boot up then it could well be the GPU, are the sound and GPU card sat in the mobo straight? if they are even slightly askew it wont contact properly and will stop it booting.


All straight and fine.

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There is a good chance that you have burnt the GPU but in such a short time it sounds unlikely as it usually takes a little longer..unless you have poor airflow.


It was probably 10 minutes until it died. As prior to the soundcad drivers attempting to be installed, i started adding some basic software.

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If the GPU has burnt then yes it can boot up to bios then fall over as soon as the components get hot, if you dont need a great graphics card...as we talked about before...then get one with not cooling fan, cheap and cheerful, about £15in vat and p+p.


This is what i may do. After our little talk i spoke with the builder who was supposed to put in a faless card, as he had the 8500gt, less fan, for the same price. I should blame him if the gpu has fallen over! Cheesy

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But to me it doesnt sound like the mobo has fucked but either the sound or graphics cards, with it mor elikely to be the sound card.


The soundcard should be sound, it's bit of a motherfucker with it's own processors and stuff, but i have no reason to believe it doesn't work. Well, apart from the pc not working... Thanks for your help. I'm getting back in front of it within the next few hours and will be trying a load of diffferent things to see what happens. Not least waiting for the split second between the post screen and the attempted windows boot, to press f8. It's annoying that f8 on my mobo is also the bot order!

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Overclocking has saved me a few hundred quid. I'm quite happy about that. The new heatsink only cost £15 including p&p and it allows me to overclock my processor by well over 1 ghz extra.


Fucking hell. That's one hell of an increase.  Cool
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« Reply #23 on: Thursday, December 20, 2007, 15:59:23 »

Just had a quick look - Try taking it down to complete basics i.e. take out the extra cards etc that you can so leaving your system with just basic components i.e. video / memory etc and see what happens, it may even be that XP has got corrupted by the drivers you put on, check the manufacturers website for latest drivers and download them as well.
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« Reply #24 on: Thursday, December 20, 2007, 22:53:48 »

Right problem solved. God i must have been super tired or something. I'd love to make up some bullshit and say something had blown, but no. Everything was fine.

Seems my streamlined ISO was to blame. Cutting XP down to 165mb, clearly created problems. Then f8 being boot order confused me, i had to catch it between, post and boot. I had also removed everything from the boot order apart from the master drive. Fuck me i'm a clever cunt. Oops

As Si said, XP was twatted. Spent all day getting it working, as tried about 3 more streamlined installs, then got it right at about 380mb. Seems my desires for less resource usage was stupid anyway, because the new soundcard needs 50mb and must run at all times. Thanks for helping everyone, if it wasn't for you lot, it would be in London now and costing me money.
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« Reply #25 on: Thursday, December 20, 2007, 23:41:13 »

Glad it got sorted though.

What mystified me is how you got so hung up about 44mb of RAM usage in the first place?  Cheesy

Happens to the best and worst of us though. After setting up my disks in RAID I though was there really any point to that?
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« Reply #26 on: Friday, December 21, 2007, 00:04:56 »

I just like to look at the performance and see that windows is not robbing me of my ram! Every last drop matters. Cheesy

I did the raid thing with my backup device. Jesus, and i thought formatting in Win 98 was slow! I wanted it because i'm terrified of losing info. Last year i lost 250GB and i cried with pain. I recovered about 20GB, but i was fucking livid.

Since then i bought a nas, which is mirrored raid, so has 2 copies, and my new pc has 3 drives to ensure i don't lose useless collections of crap again. Cheesy
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« Reply #27 on: Friday, December 21, 2007, 00:29:59 »

I kinda want mine in RAID 1 now, but for some amazingly daft reason I thought I'd try RAID 0 for a laugh (to see if it did boost performance) and never changed after that.

I suppose there isn't much on my computer at the moment and all of it could be moved to my external drive, so I should probably get round to doing it while I have the time off.

I want quicker RAM soon, that will give you better performance than the 44mb you lose from XP  Smiley
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« Reply #28 on: Friday, December 21, 2007, 00:31:45 »

my laptop is painfully shit and slow - can you tell me what to do to make it quicker?
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« Reply #29 on: Friday, December 21, 2007, 00:32:23 »

What's the spec?
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