Devlin: Boardroom politics caused Wise to leave

[RobertT]

I think Mark's just put the final nail in his own coffin.

I think you'll find they buried it about 2 weeks ago anyway.  he knows the situation I'm sure.

I know which side of the fence I'd come down on if given the option between two sides.  Whatever he may or may not have done, he was the only bloke who knew anything about football.  he's retained a general diginity by not talking about it in public.

[Johno]

if thats a reason why he left, what an idiot. his job is manage the players not the whole club.

[Leggett]

...but if those running the club are as inept as general concensus would have us believe, then are you surprised?

[mr ian]

I think Mark's just put the final nail in his own coffin.

I think you'll find they buried it about 2 weeks ago anyway.  he knows the situation I'm sure.

I know which side of the fence I'd come down on if given the option between two sides.  Whatever he may or may not have done, he was the only bloke who knew anything about football.  he's retained a general diginity by not talking about it in public.

speaking from the grave spooky!

[Piemonte]

I have to say Piemonte .. you are very pro board .. can you explain your reasons please? Im just curious ... maybe i have it wrong?

No No No No No.

I am not pro board. I am pro formulating my own opinions and not being a sheep. Frankly the whole situatuion that has unfolded in the month or so has been a disgrace.

However I refuse to jump on board (!) the bandwagon and believe everything I read on here and believe that everything is a case of black and white.  

The notion that you and others have made that Dunwoody sports marketing are somehow creaming money off stfc to me is just plain stupid. Firstly - there is no evidence. Secondly - Since when has STFC been some profit generating machine?  

Crowds are up fair enough. but ticket prices are down obviously meaning that revenues from a 7,500 crowd are lower this season than the few we had last season.

Wages are (or were) up. This may not be true of the playing side but was certainly true of the backroom staff. Wise, Poyet, Tuttle, keeper coach and Lee must cost a fortune compared to a backroom staff of Iffy, Reeves & Woan.  Not to mention the cost of the players eating together after training and all the other proffessional things Wise rightly insisted on. Before Wise came in the club was being run on a shoestring budget. it is now not. Does an extra 2,000 paying on average £15 on the crowd cover that? probablly not - hence projected £750k overspend. And whos fault is that?  Saints Mark Devlin and Bill Power seemed to pretty much running the club at the time, yet everyone still loves them?

On the other hand though, I'd very much like to get my hands on some accounts and see what is going on and whether Diamandis claim regarding the clubs balance sheet is even remotley true. I'd like the club to have a finance director that can do percentages. I'd like the principal shareholder not to tell the fans to shut the fuck up.

All is not black and white. Without the facts it is grey.

[fatbury]

Sandy Grey surely! Good response Piemonte .. I can understand where you come from a bit better now

[pauld]

Wages are (or were) up. This may not be true of the playing side but was certainly true of the backroom staff. Wise, Poyet, Tuttle, keeper coach and Lee must cost a fortune compared to a backroom staff of Iffy, Reeves & Woan.  Not to mention the cost of the players eating together after training and all the other proffessional things Wise rightly insisted on. Before Wise came in the club was being run on a shoestring budget. it is now not. ..... And whos fault is that?  Saints Mark Devlin and Bill Power seemed to pretty much running the club at the time, yet everyone still loves them?

Erm, well it was Diamandis that brought Wise and Poyet to the club, and he claims to have personally negotiated their deal, so I don't see how you can blame Devlin/Power for the major chunk of the wage increase in terms of backroom staff. Newbury can't have it both ways on this.

And players eating together is peanuts (not the meals) in the context of an alleged overspend of £750k.

All is not black and white. Without the facts it is grey.

And on that you are absolutely bang on the money (however much of it there may be)

[Dazzza]

I hope there’s something from Wise’s departure that will eventually instigate the removal of the Newbury connection from the club and Sandy Gray’s removal from the board of directors then we can finally look to move onwards and build for the future.

It’s like a merry-go-round at the moment going round in cycles every couple of seasons.  We’ve reached the same situation as we did last season albeit after a far brighter start and better team and yet for one reason or another here we are again.

I’d now expect a week or so to pass with the usual management suspects being speculated about in the press.  The club will announce a statement and comments that they are inviting applications (sitting on their hands) and Tuttle has opportunity to impress.  Week later the job will be Tuttle’s until the end of the season.

Given that it was the Will’s desire to replace Iffy with Dennis I hope the events of the this week will finally be their epiphany.

[fatbury]

HEAR HEAR!!

I Totally endorse what Dazzza is saying !

   :toppost:

[pauld]

Not often you get to read the word "epiphany" on this (or any other) board. Nice one Dazza. Now try ecumenical.

[DV]

I think Devlin just wanted to get it in before the board had a chance to blame him for it...

Seen as Devlin has all ready made his comments public the board will have to use their other scape goat.

I expect an article in the paper tomorrow blaming Paul Davis for Wise leaving....

[pauld]

Not me guv, I was causing earthquakes and outbreaks of plague at the time.....

[Boeta]

if thats a reason why he left, what an idiot. his job is manage the players not the whole club.

isnt the reason he came here was that he wanted to manage the whole club not just the players

[Reg Smeeton]

if thats a reason why he left, what an idiot. his job is manage the players not the whole club.

isnt the reason he came here was that he wanted to manage the whole club not just the players

 I think by the whole club....it was meant, the whole structure of the playing side, meaning putting in place all the elements of a properly run 21st century professional football club....this costs a lot of money.....Bill Power was prepared to back it.....the old board aren't, so Wise had to go.

[DV]

Not me guv, I was causing earthquakes and outbreaks of plague at the time.....

and you couldnt have done that at the same time as forcing wise out.... :roll: