Ian Huntly

[Bushey Boy]

as for teh guy in greece, I am not really sure what happened there but can say in his defence every human has a thing inside them that explodes at times.  Many can control it. (I admit after city away last year I came home punched a door and kicked the TV (the TV and door won) not really sure what happened, but was a combination of Yeovil encouraging me drinking and upset at teh result and then an argument at home).  I am not excusing his antics, far from it, but something affected his judgement.

The wife confirmed she said she was leaving him, she may of told him she was having an affair we dont know, but he saw no way out.  He deserves prison for what he did but he will already be punishing himself.

[mr ian]

theres a big difference in the two cases stated

the father wants to die because of guilt and because hes ruined his familys life and killed his son

and huntley wants to die because he hates prison, being picked on builed, locked up etc not through re morse or guilt.

[oxford_fan]

how do you know, ian?

huntley could have tried to top himself because of the guilt.

not saying its the way it is, just taking a critical view of what you said

[Doore]

In reference to the guy who jumped with his kids in Greece, there is no way in which he could have been in his right state of mind when he did what he did.  I feel extremely sorry for him in all honesty and think if I was in his situation I would just want to be allowed to die.  People generally don't think about depression as being a proper illness, as the majority of us suffer from it in smaller degrees and just get over it.  If someone suffers from clinical depression as he seemingly does(both his brothers commited suicide), it is on a totally different level and can cause you to act in way that you never normally would.


Huntley on the other hand should be kept alive for as long as possible, and I hope it torments him what he did.

Whilst I understand what you are saying, I don't think we can be feeling sorry for the bloke.  I understand depression, and know that it affects people's judgement.  However, we can get so wrapped up in explaining away actions like this with depression that we forget the concept of personal responsibility.  Yes depression may be a mitigating factor when it comes to sentencing, but the bloke still killed one of his own kids and nearly another.  Feeling sorry for him is going too far, and alleviating him of personal responsibility is wrong.

[oxford_fan]

do they know what actually happened on the balcony? did he jump and literally pick up his kids and take them with too?

at the time he claimed he'd been drinking and didn't remember a thing, but then i recall his wife saying that he'd not touched a drop

[Doore]

To my knowledge, she told him she was leaving ans taking the kids, he said he would take them first, picked them up and jumped.  If this is not accurate, I apologise.

[oxford_fan]

had they just had an argument? going on holiday seems a funny time to tell your husband you're getting a divorce.

[Doore]

Allegedly, the holiday was a last ditch attempt to save their ailing marriage.

[mr ian]

how do you know, ian?

huntley could have tried to top himself because of the guilt.

not saying its the way it is, just taking a critical view of what you said

i just could not see him feeling guilty in my mind
maybe its my media fueled profile of him

[red macca]

how do you know, ian?

huntley could have tried to top himself because of the guilt.

not saying its the way it is, just taking a critical view of what you said

the fact that huntley has never even said sorry shows he only cares about himself

[Amir]

Whilst I understand what you are saying, I don't think we can be feeling sorry for the bloke. I understand depression, and know that it affects people's judgement. However, we can get so wrapped up in explaining away actions like this with depression that we forget the concept of personal responsibility. Yes depression may be a mitigating factor when it comes to sentencing, but the bloke still killed one of his own kids and nearly another. Feeling sorry for him is going too far, and alleviating him of personal responsibility is wrong.

Having compassion and understanding is not alleviating someone of personal responsibility.  As I said later on he deserves to be punished(and you would suspect he will be punishing himself until he dies), yet I don't think he should be talked about in the same breath as Huntley.

It's very easy to say you understand depression, but if you have never suffered from it or been around it, then I very much doubt you do.  The fact is he probably saw the world in that short period of time as being an evil place that he didn't want his kids to have to stay in.

[Doore]

Whilst I understand what you are saying, I don't think we can be feeling sorry for the bloke. I understand depression, and know that it affects people's judgement. However, we can get so wrapped up in explaining away actions like this with depression that we forget the concept of personal responsibility. Yes depression may be a mitigating factor when it comes to sentencing, but the bloke still killed one of his own kids and nearly another. Feeling sorry for him is going too far, and alleviating him of personal responsibility is wrong.

Having compassion and understanding is not alleviating someone of personal responsibility.  As I said later on he deserves to be punished(and you would suspect he will be punishing himself until he dies), yet I don't think he should be talked about in the same breath as Huntley.

It's very easy to say you understand depression, but if you have never suffered from it or been around it, then I very much doubt you do.  The fact is he probably saw the world in that short period of time as being an evil place that he didn't want his kids to have to stay in.

without making it obvious, I was trying to make the point that I have lived around clinical depression, and therefore do understand from first hand experiences how disruptive it can be to a persons life.

[Amir]

Fair enough.  It does suprise me a little then that you don't feel similar to the way I do.

[Doore]

I understand what your saying, and agree that depression is certainly an issue and should be treated as a mitigating circumstance,  I just think it should be made clear that he still holds ultimate responsibility for his actions.  I think we actually think very similar things, just worded differently.

[Sade]

I remember seeing footage of that guy in greece and actually feeling sorry for him. He seemed like he did'nt have a clue what he's done. he's obviously got mental problems and along with his brothers that backs it up.

I'm suprised someone hasnt kicked the shit into huntley yet.