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Carroll had it covered and video replays would have backed this up.  Anti-United propaganda, that's all it is.

FACT.

I didn't see it but seeing as it is Spurs, it was definitely a goal, no question, across the line? If the net wasn't there it'd have been in the stand. The ref got confused cos it rebounded off of the back of the net, I am sure of it.

It was as clear a fucking goal as Ive ever seen.

Definately a goal, it was at least 2 feet over the line.

I know it's unreasonable to think this would happen in the mega-bucks world of the Premiership, but Carroll could have made himself a hero by admitting that the ball had gone over the line and giving Spurs the goal.

Di Canio got a special award from FIFA when he stopped for an injured player instead of scoring a certain goal a couple of years ago. I'm sure Carroll would have got one too.

This is Man Utd we are talking about here.

It was a lucky shot!

it was still a goal

I found it to be fucking hilarious, perhaps because I was under the influence at the time. I was sitting in the pub next to a Spurs fan and he was not a happy chappy. Abysmal work by the ref and linesman, but what really worries me is how a sunday league keeper managed to get into Man Utd's side.

This incident opens up all sorts of debates and issues about the use of technology in the modern game, professional referees, the honesty of players and so on and so forth.

First and foremost though, it was as funny as fuck.

This anti Man Utd stuff is getting really boring, the fact is goals have not been given in the passed, remember Chesterfield's goal against Boro in the semi of the cup?  It was a mistake by the ref/line-o, not a pro Boro ref, just a mistake.  Football's full of them, get used to it.

Oh and on the same subject bet none of you (that are old enough) were complaining about goals given when they shouldn't have been in 1966, unless you're J1mmy's dad.

Sir Geoff made sure that goal didn't matter 8)

Just to point out, this is a far more blatant mistake than I have ever seen before.  It's not anti-Man. Utd, it's highlighting the woeful inability of just three men to fairly adjudicate a football match.

You moan about anti-Man Utd sentiments then write that. What are you on mate?

It's a lot easier to judge when the ball goes straight in rather than off the crossbar.

Bird's comments were anti-utd.  From where that linesman was half way up the pitch, it's a possibilty that he wasn't sure if the ball had crossed the line, are we saying that goals should be given if the line-o thinks a goal has been scored?

My comments are not anti English just an observation.  It's like when Rooney does something from Aug to May, everyone jumps on his back about it, then as soon as an England international comes round everyone thinks he's a God.  Just wish footie fans were a little bit level minded.  As for Geoff made sure of victory, that's a poor argument, would the gerries have been all out going for a goal if it was still 2-2??  We'll never know.

Mistakes happen in football, last night, and the Boro match highlight this.  

If we were playing Oxford and something like that happen (against them) none of us would be complaining, it's a case of swings and roundabouts, what goes around comes around.

I agree with your sentiments but with the amount of money around in football now, a goal like that could affect the outcome of a season for a club and it could mean the difference between million's of pounds income or shortfall. Sad, I know, but that's how football is now.

I think it should only be used in circumstances like that where none of the officials were anywhere near a position where they would be able to judge what happened without the aid of technology and the fourth official. You can't deny that if technology was used to determine whether it was a goal or not, it would have taken about five seconds and the outcome would have almost definitely been a goal.

I know, but we would've won on penalties :|

If anyone wants proof England didn't win it '66 i'll send you the DVD

it was an obvious goal, lino couldn't see it properly so couldn't give it. happens in football, thatats what makes it exciting at times. its as simple as.

For those that haven't seen it:

http://irishdaedalus.giaicomm.com/carroll.gif

A great goal. I think Man Utd should be docked 10 points and spurs should get an extra 10 points, it is only fair.

Here's some alternative footage of the incident. :D

http://mat.rubberfeet.org/stuff/manure.gif

what!?  :soapy tit wank:

Have to say that if it had happened at Swindon vs Bradford would anybody have cared beyond the fans of those two clubs? No. But because it was a premiership team that means that the rules are different and that it is more important.

Exactly. The Premiership is more important than League 1. There are millions of pounds at stake with every poor decision.

Man Utd deserved at least a point they were the better of the two teams. It was a lucky goal that was unlucky to be given. If Spurs had scored it would have been amusing especially for those (me included) who don't like Man U. However, if it had been given I'm sure many people would feel they had been robbed of a point.

Must say what a fantastic league the Premier league when the top teams cant afford a draw let alone a loss!