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Another season another sacking frenzy incoming

Lee Bowyer gone as head coach of Birmingham

Could go back to Charl….wait…

Not until Christmas ;)

Birmingham City have appointed John Eustace as their new head coach.

Not far to travel from his previous club

What? In a matter of days? Madness!

Probably on a fraction of Bowyers wages

And we're off..

https://www.rochdaleafc.co.uk/news/2022/august/clubstatement/

Obviously just before our game. Why wouldn't it be

New manager bounce I may have to change my 2-0 home win score prediction🤣

Oh hell.

Ready made excuse for Saturday now.

What happened to our "new manager bounce"?

They only happen to other teams, we don't have them...

True enough!

We had that last season don't be greedy😀

Rochdale was more of a new manager splat.

You'd avoid taking that job for any reason other than a need for money to pay your bills.

A free hit I guess? Hard to see anything other than a relegation on the CV for whoever takes it on.

Rochdale amaze me - they always seem to be a poor team whenever we play them at home, yet they bob around at this level easily enough.

Too early in the season for a free hit I’d have thought.

If it was March I’d agree

Might be March before anyone says yes

Jim Bentley set to become Rochdale’s new manager.

Strange one up at Sunderland. Alex Neil has resigned to join Stoke.

Yeah, i saw that yesterday. Not sure what the draw is about the Stoke job that's enticed him from Sunderland. I would have thought he's got more chance of success at Sunderland than Stoke.

He was only on a 12 month rolling contract at Sunderland.

Sunderland managers job has always been a poison chalice.

Massive club with a huge fanbase and great history languishing well below the level they should be at and the level the fans expect, paying large wages and a huge squad has hindered them rather than helping them on the pitch it seems.

Not many managers with the balls to take that job I would think.

Dyche might fancy it.

If they throw enough money at him then maybe, tough crowd to please though them Mackems.

He's the bookies favourite so it will be interesting to see how ambitious Sunderland really are.

Scott Parker gone from Bournemouth

I mean sure they’ve won 1 and lost 3 but their fixtures have been Villa, Man City, Arsenal & Liverpool ffs

Not many other teams in the league are going to come out of those 4 fixtures with more than 3 points.

The sustainability bit in that statement is gold.

When they inevitably go down,who better than Parker to get em back up?

Parker will come to Swindon


As owner with his pay off........................

Wonder if Dyche will turn up there

Very harsh on Parker but I know a couple of Bournemouth fans and they didnt like his style of play even last season when they so nearly won the league title, seems very knee jerk though as stated above look at the teams they have played.

Must be more to it than just Saturdays result, loads of muff fans were very upset at his comments post game and general complaining over the last month and that seems to have been the tipping point for the owner too.

Got Sean Dyche written all over it for the job.

I fucking hate Bournemouth.

That’s all.

I’m with you on that. Thought it might dissipate a bit when Head Boy left for Newcastle with his smug ‘hit me with a shovel’ face.

But no.

I fucking hate them too, no sympathy at all for them.

Fairy tale   :)

Their statement reads like Parker was getting tetchy about not being able to Notts Forest it.

They need to get back to league 1 where they belong😀

Get it right Jimmy.

That's magic😀
I was banking on us being in league 1 in a couple of years as it's a decent away day!

Me too. Remember them with their begging buckets a few years back. Fuck em

Fingers crossed for a motivational WAV file from him.

Bournemouth still owe me the quid I gave them back when the buckets were out. Sustainable my Harris.

Tony Mowbray gets the Sunderland job

Tuchel sacked from Chelsea

Goodness me.

Give it to McKirdy until the end of the season!

Wow.

Give it to SL til the end of the season

I’d take him down here tbf

Potter linked..

(Chelsea that is )

That has calamity written all over it. A long-term approach, systems manager working for a club that want success yesterday and have an itchy trigger finger.

Itchy trigger finger - same as some STFC fans….

Same as many football fans at every club. Much more of a problem when it's the owners and decision makers who don't really have a plan, just react to events as they happen.

For who? Not for Potter. Brighton have a ceiling in the premier league and even if Potter fails at Chelsea, the majority of the blame will be on the club and players, given how they treat all managers. You don't often get offered a job at that level of club. He could get sacked from Chelsea and still get the England job for example, and make bank while at it.

question. has a swindon manager in say the last 20-30 years ever managed to turn a club/fans views around?

di canio had a rough start but always the fans on board.

I always feel like the club hold on to people for too long but its a fine line. Barton could very easily have been sacked by December last year but turned it round. I never really see this at swindon. it's either all good or all shit. never really fluctuates from shit to good for us and most sackings are justified.

I so want lindsey to do good as all of our managers. this bad vibe from day 1 and the season is playing out in the same style

I’d say 2 of the last 3. Wellens and Garner. Both came with the same “cheap option” concerns.

Both by winning games early although Garner was always going to be given some slack given the shitshow he took over.

Any manager not winning games for a team expected to be challenging is going to be under pressure. If they have been good elsewhere or a played to a decent level it will give them a bit more time, or a window if taking over mid season.   

I see some of the Charlton fans are moaning about Garnerball already. Best wait until the home winter games  :)

To be fair i am sure Wellens lost 4 out of his first 6 games including his first 3 at home. He has been on a hiding to nothing from the minute he got the job.

Wellens first 8 games we only suffered 2 defeats LWWWLDDD 1 home to Carlisle and away at Grimsby. 3 defeats if you count the FA cup home game.

Bloody hell, COVID and lockdowns has really screwed with my sense of time.

I already forgot Wellens came in during November *2018*, straight after Brown, and that the good season wasn't until the season after.

Of course, i was looking at Browns the season before

Danny Schofield gone from 'Uddersfield

Decisive from Huddersfield. Early, but makes more sense than the 2 high profile Prem sackings so far. If Swindon were stuck on 4 points would SL still be here?

Yes.

Sheridactyl gone from Oldham

The Magic has worn off😀

They'll probably cut out the middle man and get him in to replace himself.

Some shezurrection

Steve Morison sacked at Cardiff

Hartley hares it from Hartlepool

Steve Morison sacked by Cardiff too.

Busy weekend, Wayne Brown shown the door at Colchester!

Keith Curle gets the Hartlepool gig.

I thought appointments took 6 weeks

Wait six weeks or take Keith Curle - what's your preference?

6 weeks every time!

To be fair while we bungled our appointment, to take 6 weeks after actually sacking a manager would be worse

Indeed but if they waited 6 weeks and then STILL appointed Curle would be way worse!

To be fair though, when we were trying to get a new manager I'm guessing a lot of the candidates were on their holidays as it was off-season

Not sure that it can be said with any certainty that the appointment was bungled.

Presumably people on here have been subject to an internal promotion at work?
What happens,
a) take whatever package is on the table,
b) insist on the market rate or pay parity with the previous post holder.
c) Take less but negotiate with a view to regular performance related reviews for example.

Options b & c could take some time & try the employers patience depending on how keen they are.

Once in post do people then view themselves as the cheap option?
Probably not, more likely as entirely deserving of the promotion.

Bungled may be the wrong word.

I don't think he was first choice, but that doesn't really matter

With their agents?

I am sure there some empirical evidence to prove me wrong, but in my experience, internal promotions are indeed often much less costly than recruiting externally and generally quite swift to conclusion.  People have far less of a tendency to negotiate with their existing employer and to recruit externally you have two cost factors - first the recruitment costs themselves, and second, the fact you generally have to entice people away from secure employment and you pay a premium to take existing experience (you don't generally recruit someone who is more junior when doing so externally, so there is a bigger salary premium than taking an internal hire who is stepping up).

Aye, my own experience was effectively ending up taking on two jobs, saving the employer a packet in the process.
Probably common practice at the time.
Out of the employment ladder loop for about 7 years with being self employed. Much better work / life balance as a result.

So yeah, SL may well have worked out as the cheaper option. He may yet prove to be successful.
Don't think that the cheap option appointment should be used as a stck to beat the club with whenever the scenario arises.

Indeed, I have been the "cheap" option a few times I imagine, but think I have done OK!

Only got their pool left?

I see David Unsworth has taken the Oldham gig, Francis Jeffers as assistant.

Derby looking for another Manager!

Rosenior gone.

Lost three of twelve games played. EEk!

Staying on the coaching staff. They are after Paul Warne

Pretty sure he won't go, and good on them for for sticking with him considering how trigger happy modern football is, but Howe is getting a pretty easy ride at Newcastle considering the start they have had (very similar to ours until we won the last couple and the vultures were circling Lindsey in the stands) and the cash they have spent.

Howe’s overall record there is 15/10/11 from 36 games.
If you put that into a full season that’s 55 points (would have seen them finish 8th in last seasons table) but with two games left. Meaning they could have finished 6/7/8th.

I expect they’d take something like this season.

Plus, I could be wrong but I expect the Geordies have bit more patience that our fanbase

Can’t see Howe going yet. He is there for the initial transition period of big spending, when they are ready to really push on to a top 6 spot they will go for the real “big name” to help attract top calibre players

He did a cracking job last season with a very average squad (2 or 3 players being the exception)

Rob Edwards has been sacked as Watford manager after just 10 games in charge.

Slaven Bilic taking over, apparently.

Dale Vince will be laughing himself into a hernia.

Or will be on the phone to him PDQ.

I bet he'd take him back in a heartbeat however. Might happen yet looking at FGR's start to the season!

If they split on fairly amicable terms despite the walking out then its a total no brainer he would go back, but Vince seems like he will be a spiteful fuck.

Good wage and a good pay off for a few days work init

Vince was on Talksport saying how badly Watford behaved and that essentially he thought Edwards would have more integrity than to agree to a deal behind the clubs back.

In football this means he will definitely be FGR manager again soon! 

I’ve seen Dale evolve over 40 years - he will do whatever he thinks is in the best interests of FGR…

Apparently Andy Warhol was misquoted and he actually said, "In the future, everyone will be Watford manager for 15 minutes".

Just been reading the Charlton Forum like you do when waiting for the spuds to cook… my, my not a happy bunch of muppets are they.

Way things are going we could well be passing each other in May 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Serves the bald headed prick right, knowing full well that club is a basketcase

 :D

Not actually gone, but going shortly. A certain Mr Garner.

Charlton Fans not happy.

BigDiddyBigDiddy
September 24
Garner out.

Protests against TS.

Nothing else to suggest

BigRedEvilBigRedEvil
September 24
Garnerball is ineffective and needs to change, we just don't have the players for it. Stockley although hopeless so far this season can score goals at this level.

Long season ahead, expect Garner will be gone before Xmas the way its going.

RodneyCharltonTrotta
September 24
2 wins in 10 and 16th in League One just above
 the relegation zone.

We kidded ourselves our team/ squad is an improvement on
 last year. It’s not.  Or Garner is not as
 good a manager as Jackson.

BoughtonaddicksBoughtonaddicks
September 24
Trying to think of another game where a losing manager has took his 5 best players off

BigDiddyBigDiddy
September 24

Athletico Charlton said:
It's not a quick fix says Ben Garner.

Well we are 3 points off relegation, just got easily beaten, have an exceptionally fragile defence, have not won in what, 6 games?

You had better fix this bloody quickly Ben because otherwise we will be looking at L2.

Tippy tappy slow rubbish with no defensive shape.

We are in trouble.

Yet with our players, we should not be.

 Garner is out of his depth. He must go.



All going swimmingly for good old Ben!

From Twitter the Charlton fans seemed fairly split on those blaming Garner and those blaming the owner for lack of backing. Think Garner was quoting saying he was frustrated by not being able to spend on transfers. Won’t do his relationship with the owner any good.

On their forum, it is suggested that Garner should provoke the owner to get himself sacked. Thereby, getting a decent payoff and keeping his reputation intact.

What reputation is that?

Round these here parts he’s a cunt.

Doing a Parker....


Is he well known in Kefalonia?  ;)

He is now.

Malaka

Garnerball  :D

Is that what they’re calling him in Assos or Arogostoli ?

There’s a bit of graffiti about for Gate 13 Panathanikos. I’ll add ‘ Garner Malaka’ to it!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-rYhxi8a9pM

Bruno Lage sacked by Wolves

Chris Wilder sacked by Middlesbrough

Matt Taylor from Exeter to Rovrum

Hes worked wonders at Exeter TBF.

I see lots of Exeter fans moaning that he left them for a "smaller club".

So Rotherham sit in the top half of a division higher than Exeter, a bigger pull for players than Exeter due to location and better finances and they have an average home crowd of nearly double that of Exeter in a nearly brand new purpose built stadium.

Seems like a no brainer, a perfect step up without Taylor going to a bigger club with bigger expectations which often works against the new manager these sort of appointments who is expected to hit the ground running.

TBF you could say broadly the same about Garner and Charlton and that didn't stop a lot of our fans moaning.

And bloody hell there is more glamour going to a London club rather than Rotherham (albeit it has a nice Tesco Extra!!

TBH I don't actually remember any of our fans moaning about Charlton being a small club.

The pull of London and lets be honest Charlton are a way bigger club than Swindon, made that a no brainer for Garner too.

I don't recall any of our fans suggesting they were a smaller club or even comparable in size to us when he left, I think we all fully understood his reasoning for going.

I wouldn’t say it was a ‘no brained’ whilst all you’ve said about Charlton is true - I think we as a club, offer much more stability

…but…tbh I don’t know if football managers even care for that now a days. Probably more lucrative for them to just keep getting sacked and paid off

Suspect they thought he was good enough to go to a bigger club when he left.

Though calling Rotherham smaller than Exeter is demonstrably wrong, my perception is that they are at the ceiling of their existence. Which again could be wrong

either way it's a good step and career progression

I always get a bit wary when that happens and we have a loan player. New manager will obviously want to take a look at his squad and Brynn is playing well. Do not remember the loan arrangements.

Would be a worry I agree

Bugger, forgot about him being from borough.

I don't think they can recall until January on a season long loan though. Unless there is a special goalkeeper clause.

Wolves & M'boro manager's sacked

The door is firmly open

.
Where did you 'see' that, PV ? Only ask because I haven't seen anything like it. Many believe he should have held on for a bigger club to come knocking at our door, but that isn't the same as what you're suggesting

1 or 2 on your Grecians forum but a fair few on the Vital football forums and on twitter from what I have seen, also the L1 banter page on FB.

Thanks, didn't spot the 1, or 2 comments that you've seen on our forum. As for L1 banter on FB etc etc really don't know how you find the time !  ;D

Not working helps ;)

Pressure cranking up on Garner. Lost to Colchester last night, too. All the moans and gripes are strikingly similar to ours when things weren’t working. They’ve definitely got the Rovers version.

Payne also getting pelters - missed a pen, too.

Where does Garner go from this?

To get a personality transplant

Garner would get another job in L2 I'm sure. Think he might be better suited longer term to U23s/Development coaching though, where the emphasis is more on skills development than results.

I suspect he would go into a PL academy, probably earning way more than he does as a manager in L1.

The "Charlton Life" forum is a diffulct place at the moment :)

I feel sorry for Payne, I still think he left us too soon and they seem to hate him there.

Garner is deserving of all he gets.

Only the pizza cup though. But league wise the pressure is really on.

Ho hum  :)

They were loving it signing our players and pinching Garner when it happened. Even though they were told what to expect they just ignored it - ‘Swindon are our feeder club’ bollocks.

Chickens home to roost.

He's not going to last the season is he? He won't be out of work long though, bound to pick up an academy job somewhere on more money...

I read some of the posts on that forum. Fair to say they aren’t at all keen on Garner or Payne. The grass isn’t always greener it seems.

Charlton away at Lincoln on Saturday, that won't be easy. Could be in the relegation zone at 5pm.

Question
After watching the Newport match and seeing a similar style of play to last year with Garner and as to how Wellens previously did.
When SL first was made up to manager he maintained that he would continue this style.
I thought it was a follow on from Garner but now starting to think it maybe  the Swindon style long into the future especially with all the new young exciting players coming on board.
Back to the question who is driving this forward?

Hard to imagine anyone not liking Payne. Always covers so much ground, effort levels are top tier. Must be brilliant to play alongside.

Similar to how our fans have taken to Wakeling and his work rate this season. Can’t not like the guy.

When Charlton decide they don’t want Payne, I’ll have him back in a heart beat. I’ll never forget that performance against FGR at home. Garner can come too. He’ll work well under Lindsey.

If he falls out of favour perhaps a January swoop might not be off the cards? We have perhaps spent his wages on other players though.

Sent from my XQ-AD51

The money is there. Just a question of whether he becomes free and we want him.

He’ll go off to Hibs on loan in Jan…

He probably got a decent pay rise going to Charlton.

Not sure he would fit into our midfield at the moment though

Kevin Betsy gone from Crawley

Karl Robinson apparently on thin ice also

I'll be honest, I'd have been pretty enthused by Betsy in pre-season. Shows what I know! Although of course, he could have fitted better here, Crawley is a bit of a strange club at the moment.

I mean if we looking at a young coach highly regarded at youth level looking to move into management - you’d definitely look favourably on Kevin Betsy.

Whilst I’m in no position to say exactly how much of Arsenals current crop of young talent has been heavily influenced by Betsy personally - Arsenal right now very much have a good young squad of footballers.

I do wonder whether looking at youth coaches at the top, top level is maybe a bad idea because of the high ceiling of talent they work with. You know, did he try and get the Crawley players to do the same as what some of the best U23s in the country we’re doing in a top academy.

Perhaps the highly respected coaches lower down like Garner & the QPR man whose name has escaped me are a better bet for lower league managers because they work with lesser talent and it’s less of a ‘drop’ having said that the ex Liverpool youth coach did a pretty good job at Blackpool from what I can tell.

Who knows

Steve Bruce gone from WBA

No doubts another big pay off which isn't bad for eighth months work! Now on to the next.....

Money money money money money!

Lick badges

Why do people keep employing him. A really good player but...

How the fuck does Steve Bruce keep getting big jobs?

That was the 4th time in his 1,032 and 12 club career that he didnt even make 35 games and only twice had a win percentage of over 41%, one of those being a 18 game job at Palace 21 years ago.

Proper jobbing manager making a career out of being not very good, like a higher league Keith Curle, or a modern day Malcolm Allison.

I suspect cos having 4 promotions (plus at least 1x play off final defeat) out of the Championship into the PL makes one attractive to Championship Chairmen. I don't think he is a particularly good or bad manager, just a jobbing Championship one, albeit possibly past it now.

My baggies supporting mate was doing the guestlist for me at the Morrissey gig I was running last night.  Sean Dyche was on the guestlist. 

He dodged my mates question about whether he was coming to save the Baggies or not.  He didnt say no though.

He was looking for a job, but has he found a job?

3 promotions (1 via play off) and a losing play off ;)

Not one poster on the WBA forum can be said to be unhappy about Bruce being sacked, Dyche is unsurprisingly the fans favourite polling 40% of the votes so far. Carrick 2nd most voted for.

Dyche would be a good fit for them, big club floundering low in the Championship and with a decent squad TBH and a decent amount of funding, nice and central too, not too far from his home in Kettering.

Rowberry gone from Newport

TBF Newport were utterly terrible.

You wonder who Crawley will end up employing - they seem to be a bit of a basket case with these Cryptocurrency guys owning the club with their odd ideas, they only seem to be going 1 way....

Up?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjD3EVC1-zU

More like..............

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OC06Z6lCB_Q

I think this goal sums up Crawleys season :)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1578868036437958656

That is entertaining. Not sure whether it's more or less embarrassing than the Joe Fryer miss kick from the pass back against Accrington in the Sheridan year though. One of the great all-time fuck ups.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jKLMelPKxk

First up on this. Think enough time has passed for me to find this funny now.

What was funnier was the number of people calling for him to play because nothing could be worse than Kovar, only for us to find out as bad as Kovar was for us (and he was crap) Fryer was even worse :(

God that was a depressing time

Fryers miskick was the icing on the cake, but bloody hell the play that led to that was equally grim watching.

An admittedly rudimentary google suggests that he hasn't played a game since that game and is now an Academy Coach at Boro?

McSheffery gone from Donny

Gerrard gone from Villa

And replace him with Danny Schofield, yes I don't know much about him either. I remember him at Huddersfield as a player but thats it.

Graham Coughlan appointed Newport manager, that may be a good appointment for them

QPR manager turns down the Wolves job....sounds like they have had a few turn them down, so have given it to the caretaker manager until next year

Liz Truss appointed Oxford United manager, she told reporters "I feel more comfortable with an empty cabinet" :)

Ian Baraclough sacked as Northern Ireland manager

:D :D :D

More at home with Spurs.

Gary Caldwell named Exeter manager

Can’t be arsed to google, but who the fuck is he?

Ex-Prem player, was at Wigan when they were alright I think? Brother of Stephen, both sort of lower end Prem CBs in the 2000s.

55 caps for Scotland, he's a modern-day Maurice Malpas!

Lots of negativity about him on Twitter from Chesterfield fans - looks like he’s not starting from a strong position.

Mark Cooper taking over at Yeovil.

They go again

Hassenhuttel gone from Southampton

feels like he has survived the sack multiple times. 2 x 9-0 games is a test on any board decision!

At this rate there won't be enough new managers to go around!

Cardiff give the job to the caretaker manager until the end of the season

Rob Edwards new Luton manager

What is so good with Rob Edwards
Yes he got promotion with FGR and then seemed out of favour at Watford although there just a short time and now to Luton who look a pretty good and well run club with a future. From afar looks similar to Appleton at Blackpool and possibly Garner.

Watford sack you for sneezing so I don't think you can judge that, he did do a good job with Forest Green and has a good coaching background too.

Giovanni van Bronckhorst gone from Rangers.

9 points behind Celtic and a shite champions League I suppose.

Gerrard available?

Always possible.

Nixon rumouring Garner is up for the chop. This Charlton fan isn’t keen either

‘Garner is a bullshitter working for a cunt and his fucktard son not to mention that blonde plastic bitch.’

That’s a lot of swears in one sentence

Quite impressive to fit such a variety of swear words into such a short sentance

Matt Etherington gets the Crawley gig. Bit left field (pun intended)

They are a bit of a basket case club right now aren't they.

maybe recruiting was tricky

Still, gives someone a go in EFL. management

Bitcoin traders appoint gambling addict.  :hmmm:

Kolo Toure gets the Wigan gig

Im sure he will do well as long as they don't forget his birthday cake

Wrong Toure isn't that?

Yaya

both in agreement and the name.

Bugger - memory not what it was

Richie Wellens has signed a new contract at Orient until 2025. He is bowling along nicely with the East London club this season after some poor performances. Maybe it's a Northern/South thing with him?

Rumour has it that Garner will be gone tomorrow.

Lindsey for Charlton 😀

Garner sacked from Charlton.

Hahahaha

I'm not that happy about it. Not surprised though.

I don't think I cared much when he left, maybe its that.

I wonder whether Charlton may go and have a quiet word with Orient?


That's it, was all a bit meh at the time and same now,  never really understood all the vitriol about it, he was not particularly liked by the fan base and hardly the first manager to leave us for what is perceived to be a bigger job, yet Wellens who fucked off to a smaller club in a lower division seems to get a pretty free ride.

Ooops. Just put this in Former Players. Can't be arsed to delete.

Be interesting to see where his next gig might be. He did relatively well with us but appears to have stunk the place out at both Bristol Rovers and now Charlton so his next role is pretty much make or break.

I suspect with the U23's at a PL club, which I suspect pays better than managing at this level anyway.

Wonder if he'll slope off into the coaching sunset now.

Yeah more than likely.

Wait, wasn't the rumour he was interviewing between playoff games. Yeah, stuff him.

I s'pose the interesting one knocking about at the moment will be Critchley, albeit unless he is waiting for Gerrard to get another gig?

I see Garner will be getting paid up for 2.5 year remaining on Charlton contract, so that will help no doubt!

In the words of Windsor Davies

“Oh dear, how sad, Never mind”

I am content with this news.

Doesn't look as if he got much backing in the summer window.
You would think that him or his agent might have done some due diligence on the senior management structure at the prospective employer.
Too busy preparing for our play off campaign maybe.

Yeah, safety net of the academy system to fall back on and all that.
No guarantees with that though.

Did I see a Ben Garner thread the other night whilst drunk? Money on Jimmy having started it if so?

https://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=59454.0

I suggested this exact move a few days ago.

Not guilty😀

Luis Enrique gone from Spain, an option when Lindsey departs?  ;) :D

Lindsey for the Spain job? Intriguing proposition. How much compo would we get?  Ironically just watching a rerun of the penalties from the Morocco v Spain tie in the hotel lobby. Pissing with rain here in Morocco but warmer I think than blighty.

Macclesfield FC's DOF Robbie Savage sacks manager David McNabb after winning 4-0 on Saturday.

He managed them for 9 games and had 7 wins and only 1 narrow loss, with them 7 points clear at the top of their division.

The 2nd sacking this season by Macc Lads after dismissing Danny Whitaker also with them stood atop of the division at the time.

They have a very experienced side as well and should walk the division with the players at their disposal with Zeki Fryers, Neil Danns, Nicky Maynard, Joe Bunney, Mark Duffy and Luke Murphy all having a fair amount of football league experience for that level.

Doesn't sound like a sacking?

https://macclesfieldfc.com/2022/12/10/club-statement-david-mcnabb-and-tim-lees/

Maybe Robbie fancies a crack at management.

And where the fuck is Ramsbottom United!

Has it actually been confirmed now that the manager and assistant were sacked, the club were pushing the 'they chose to leave' line yesterday and I can't see anything else?

In Ramsbottom.

I see. Our paths are unlikely to cross for a while even in an AFC Swindon scenario.
They do like their bottoms in that part of the world.

Cannot tell you much about Ramsbottom apart from there are some nice pubs there near the station.

I used to live in Bury, and Ramsbottom is just north of Bury.

I know, my only visit to Ramsbottom came on the steam train from Bury during a pub crawl along that line.

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/23187890.ex-swindon-town-manager-ben-garner-admits-leaving-difficult/#comments-anchor

‘Difficult decision’

He couldnt wait to fuck off

He couldn't wait to fuck off, had the job lined up even before the second play off match with Port Vale and showed no appreciation to Town fans.

I can't say that I was a particular fan of Garner during his time with us. As I understand it, he took a new job which had better terms and conditions of employment and which appeared to offer enhanced prospects of career advancement. I suspect that most of us would have done the same in similar circumstances.

I wasn't overly bothered when he left (Garnerball not for me), he did a cracking job under extreme circumstances and we achieved more than any of us expected. What really pissed me off was taking Payne & Egbo, (think Wallacott would have left anyway) when he said he wouldn't return for any of our players. I know they were out of contract & likely to leave anyway, but going to Charlton with him really fucked me off!

Funny isn’t it….

We all hate Garner for fucking off, even though he did it at the end of the season, went to a bigger club for more pay, yet everyone is screaming for Charlie Austin to come back, despite the fact last time he was here he handed in a transfer request during the middle of the season and we were relegated.

Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

Yeah, Austin got some stick on his return to the CG with Burnley, but he did later express regret about the exit strategy.

Hope he signs.

Would anyone want Garner back I wonder?

But Austin did well for us  ;)

Just to play devil's advocate, I don't hate Garner at all. I would have rather he'd have stayed and built what he had started but I understand his thought process and managers come and go. I'm on the fence about Austin as well. I'd rather see him here than at Bristol Rovers of course, but I'm not convinced he's going to be the messiah (or a very naughty boy!)

ronaldo esk vibes for Man Utd. A signing that shouldn't be made, an aging player on the decline vs football romance, excitement for the fans and would be awful to see him play for a local rival.

i think he still has something. i really hope he still has something

he got the stick when he returned- really quite volatile and hatred from the stands. Then at full time he walked round the pitch clapping the fans and it was returned with applause and austin chants!

as should happen with all players that return really!

he had to leave when he did. incredible player, one of the very best natural goalscorers/poachers and should really have had some caps for england when you look at someone strikers that have over the years.

I’d like to see Austin back but yeah the way he left was out of order.

If he’d waiting till the end of the season - then fine, I don’t think the club would have stood in his way at all.

Didn’t want him here in the first place so it’s a big fat no from me. We’ve got to get away from ‘academy’ football - it’s boring the arse off of me.

Ditto. It's like attending training sessions at the CG this season. Missing attacking grit and passion.

Never took to Garner and never will, personalityless individual who did well for us under extreme conditions. Fair play for what he achieved with us but he was another "meh" manager for me, much like Mark Cooper or Luke Williams.

I also dont think anyone could begrudge him for leaving for a much bigger club, in a higher division closer to his home.

But I would not want him back, has the personality of a sloth and seemed to be as appreciative of our fanbase as Lee Power was at times.

If he’s gone all surly because Clem may be foisting Austin on him, then his time must be up. Even if he doesn’t end up joining us surely whatever relationship Clem has with Lindsey has been soured. Maybe Clem has become as disillusioned with the football as the fan base and is considering a change of direction.

Here’s hoping.

I agree with what you’ve said with regards to Garner but I feel a lot of that at the time got brushed under the carpet because we had McKirdy who was the complete opposite.

So Garner didn’t really need to pander to the fanbase or have any personality because McKirdy had it in spades.

Obviously winning football matches helped Garner massively. I’m well past caring about our managers personality if I’m honest, I’d gladly support Boris Johnson if he won us football matches….

Ouch you stepped over the line with that! :D

Dean Holden set to get the Charlton job. Fans must be delighted!

Dean Holden is never who I think he is. I think of him as a 80/90s footballer…

Oldham had another player called Holden in the early 90s right? (Richard maybe?)

I keep thinking Dean Holdsworth myself

@dv yes: Richard (Rick) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Holden

I totally know what you mean. Does he have a curtain style haircut in your recollection?

He's the one who shagged Linsey Dawn Mackenzie in his range rover isn't he?

Mixture between curtains and a mullet….

(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/E4QAAOSwCbFfwWKY/s-l500.jpg)

Ah, it was Dean Holdsworth I had in mind.

I wonder if Linsey had Richard in mind in Deans Range Rover

AFC Wimbledon's sister club appoint Leeds assistant coach Mark Jackson as manager.

I like the approach of plucking a highly rated coach from the PL / PL Academy system.

Hoping of course that SL will lead us to glory this season & that he has a very successful tenure here.

Dean Smith gone from Norwich

Interesting one, Norwich are 5th, but a long way off the top two.

Made me think of this from yesterday's matchday thread...

Expectation is so high at a club like Norwich i would imagine!

Pearson can't have too long left at City.

I was thinking the same, also the similar applies to Peterborough in L1 who were 3rd (now 8th) at the start of the shit run without a win in the last 6 games whos manager McCann is walking the tightrope.

Present league position shouldn’t be an indicator of imminent change of manager. Overall, this season has been a huge bore fest. It’s got to the stage now where I dread Lindsey actually getting us up and having to put up with another season of the crap served up on the pitch.

Surely nobody - fans, management, owner - can be happy with the ‘style’ of football.

‘Let me entertain you’ it’s not.

It's certainly not the fast exciting football we were promised.

People will turn up to watch a winning team (I’m aware we aren’t one of those either)
Don’t get this notion of going to football to be ‘entertained’ we aren’t  neutrals from Singapore or something.

Nothing is better than winning.
I’d rather watch a winning team than an entertaining team.

Weirdly there were a couple of asian lads full on instagraming the ground on their way out before Walsalls winner went in. Can't imagine they were thrilled with their decision.

Seconded

Winning games of football is all that it’s about, it’s a bonus to have a team that’s entertaining as well.

This is what’s got us in this position

‘ “There’s a chance that we might not get the results we like, but we have to keep playing football the right way, because that showcases talent in the best possible way. It’s important that we play the right way so that we can showcase talent” - Sandro Di Michele #STFC’

All well and good if you want to tread water in L2 with players and a coaching staff not capable of getting out of that league.

I don't get it though.

Nobody's going to sign any of our players based on successful pass percentages.

They're going to sign them on output. Goals, Assists, Chances created.

If the season ended today at the half way point, the only clubs higher up the chain who might consider spending money on one of our players would be on Wakeling. And even that is a push now given he's been fairly average since signing his new contract.

So if we aren't getting promoted, and we also aren't putting anybody in the shop window, that's a 0/2 missions completed and doesn't bode well for the management team.

Yep, entertainment is a bonus. The aim of competitive sport is to win first and foremost

If that's what he actually said, then I don't want that person running the football side of my club !  What a clown !  A winning side and success on the pitch is all the fans want - and if you achieve that then it's likely your players have performed reasonably well and are more likely to be coveted by other teams !

Thinking the selling of 'assets' is more important than results or entertaining is ridiculous, and could become a cancer spreading through the club if that idea is adopted by others within the setup !   :suicide:

Surely he didn’t say that? If he did, then the man is in the wrong job.

Remember the outrage when Evans was linked with the job, he probably would have got us promoted but not playing the Swindon way!

According to someone on Twitter "Yep, I paid to hear him say it in the data-driven episode of the documentary series."

Lindsey just has to go plain and simple

A Wellens type experienced manager would have us in the top 3 now- instead of the teams below us win their games in hand then we will be mid table which I think is the best we will finish under this management

If the ethos of the club is sell on players at a profit- it ain’t working as no player realistically currently would make us a good fee as none of them are at their best under this shit show of a management team

Unfortunately I have to agree with you Outletred
SL does sound like a likable type of guy.  A type of person you can trust and rely on
The type of guy who does not mind losing as long as he does not cause problems.
A character type who is not a football manager.
We were so unlucky not to get Wellens back.
Sorry Scott you need to go.

The facebook page is a sight to behold; Lindsey has gone from "Super Scott, knowning what we need"  to a clown, a c*nt and useless within a couple of games.
I understand people feel the need to criticise a manager but the unproportional reactions and personal insults are really rather stupid, and extremely childish.

Then they give out suggestions like Holloway, Tisdale and Warnock to replace him. Makes my eyes bleed

Scott is what everyone knows he is, a good coach. Not a Head Coach or Manager.

Which comes back to Sandros extensive search and review that saw Lyndsey get the job without even being interviewed!

Whilst the jury is out on Lindsey and performances/results need to improve, is he doing any worse than the journeyman managers we had in recent years like Flitcroft, Phil Brown or Sheridan?

As for a Wellens type manager. Wellens was unproven when he came here with the relegation, in difficult circumstances, at Oldham. Getting those one or two key players in made all the difference with Doyle and Grant.

Not sure he is going anywhere quickly and the run of poor home performances mirrored what happened under Garner last season. It might need something to click like Garner got the 5-2 vs Northampton last year and the feel good around the City game

Unlike the 5-2 at Mansfield only a short while ago

The 5-2 on NYD last season did get a feel good factor going again after a run of 1 win in 5 at home and the Stevenage 0-0.

Then Garner followed it up with draws at home to Rovers and Crawley and losing to Exeter.

Maybe that feel good factor didn't last long but Garner picked up enough away wins to keep the pressure off.

We could beat good teams last season, but trip up against mediocre teams - which suggested quality, but not consistency

Our form against the top half so far this season is poor, which is why equivalent points doesn’t feel the same year on year. It’s not looked like a side capable of really challenging with the others at the top of this division

To evidence - after 23 games last season, we’d won 7 out of 11 vs top half teams. This time round it’s twice

There is no way this squad is a top 3 capable squad, certainly not a current season one anyway.

I think I’m right on this.

Both Crawley and Crewe have lost every game since beating us.

That puts a bit of perspective on how horrendously awful we are at times.

Sorry, this is a bit of a statto post, but I have far too much time on my hands today, and started looking at the pretty impressive array of statistics on WhoScored (https://www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/9/England-League-Two) to try and work out what someone (like say, our current hierarchy) who was statistically inclined would make of our season to date.

The interesting thing that stands out to me is how similar we are on almost all of the metrics to Leyton Orient. Unfortunately, the metrics where we differ are points (17 behind), goals scored (9 behind) and goals conceded (11 more), all of which are fairly crucial.

On the next tier down though, we're almost identical - STFC are second in the league for average possession, pass completion % and second bottom for tackles made per game. In all three cases, the teams either side of us are Salford (10th) and Leyton Orient (1st). When comparing to Orient, our passing style is almost identical (both 81% short passes, compare to Stevenage on 69%). Orient have even more of the play in the middle third of the pitch than we do (although both way above the divisional average).

Think someone posted this a few days ago - https://theanalyst.com/eu/2022/08/league-two-stats-2022-23/ and it's a super interesting page if anyone is a bit of a statto. It generally tells the same story - Salford, Orient and ourselves are by a distance the most possession based sides in the division. One of those sides is performing much better than the other two. Maybe Richie Wellens is good at this. Or maybe he's just lucky, not that the difference really matters!

I am not saying Wellens is a great Manager, but maybe he has a better approach in delivering on those stats.  BY an large I seem to remember him shunning the youth/reserves to a degree.  He did sign younger players at times, but ones who could deliver now.  He didn't seem that worried about developing players.  His approach was to do well now, not worry about 5 years time.  I am not sure he'd fit with our overall philosophy, but I reckon he'd have pulled together a more coherent squad for THIS season.

The thing a number of posters have chosen to ignore is that we have been significantly disrupted by injury and illness in recent weeks - we have played a left back at centre half for the last month, and our best two midfielders Gladwin and Williams, one was at the World Cup and the other injured.
The squad is not as deep as some like to think - or choose to say in order to justify the ludicrous “Lindsey out” talk - and despite those challenges we are still 5th.
I agree we need more goal power, but don’t forget our striker options have also been affected by injury for long periods.
There is a tendency to overreact to every result - win or lose. If we stick with SL and add some quality and depth to the squad in January we will at least make the play offs.
My final point - to those who say “sack SL” - who would you appoint who is available and guaranteed to do a better job? Generally if a club is sacking a manager they have the replacement lined up. It is easy to say “sack him” but I haven’t seen anyone offer a viable alternative yet!

I think you make fair points with regards to the injuries having affected team selections, one I’ve made myself a few times.

However, personally feel a lot of our players are interchangeable and the tactics / game plan are / is the issue - no matter who we have available.

Take Mondays game. Which of our injured players would have changed that result from a defeat to win??

Like let’s say Jephcott is our best and main striker.
Would we have won Monday with him fully fit and playing?
Same argument but with Clayton and the defence.

With Clayton back, would we have gone to a back 4 with BT left back? Would that have worked better.

Maybe. Probably wouldn't have changed it though it gives an option

I don't think people are ignoring it but on Monday watched a game yesterday where we had a right back at left whilst we had 2 left backs playing center half and in a number 8. The player who started left-back first game is now our right back and the left-back that day started upfront Monday, We then took off our lone striker for a 5ft wide striker. He had a full squad to choose from Monday position wise and still chose to shoe horn players in. He told us that Khan was unfroppable 3 games ago and leaves him unused on his return from injury. He is making some really odd decisions despite the illness and injury. Also, if there was illness as he says then more fool him not making the changes to the team

Bit harsh on RHM

Even fat boy Razor Ruddock was never 5ft wide!!

It's not an overreaction to a short term blip.

We are 5th only because we have played more games than everyone else.  By the time others catch up we will be 9th or 10th.

Our form is awful, no home win in 2 and a half months, 3 goals in 6 games is relegation fodder, not a team looking for promotion.

There are clear tactical deficiencies in the way we set up as others have described and we can't defend or score set pieces.   We don't counter attack, nearly always turning back, rarely get 1 on 1s with a striker in front of goal.   No-one runs ahead of the forwards from midfield, but we do get 6 stood in a static line up front occasionally which never works.   We've failed to score in nearly half our games and have had starting 11s at home with 6 defenders in it and  he's continually out thought by by other managers.

I could go on.   We started poorly looking like a lower mid table team, then scraped a few wins culminating in a cracking performance at mansfield but that has not been followed up so has to be considered a one off.

If he had tried things during games, been more pragmatic at times, or showed any sign of improving individuals or the collective I could forgive him, but we can't continue to trust a process that clearly isn't working.

In terms of saying that there aren't any replacements, that is a stupid comment,  there are so many out of work managers, coaches and recently retired pros who would jump at the job,  we're a big team in this league.

…let’s not forget how few people were jumping at the chance to manager us in the summer.

That’s kinda how we got here.

Thought there were many but only SL agreed with Sandro's brief and there may be a reason for that.

Perhaps. It’s a theory.
If it’s true then sacking Lindsey now and looking for a replacement will still bring the same issues as the summer, no?

On that basis, who are you bringing in to replace SL then?

Not saying he is doing well  but no point sacking him if there is no one better wh would realistically come in and take over, its not like we are fighting relegation and any change has a chance of working and us worth risking.

Or a lesson may have been learned and ideology adapted.

One things for sure we can't go on like this, would be a travesty to lose the 3-4 thousand extra fans since Clem arrived through boredom and lack of hope.

Crawley part company with Etherington and assistant Simon Davies

A month and no transfer window - harsh

Playef 4 lost 3 including hartlepool at home.  Only win was against us!

And they started so well comfortably beating us!

Let's not forget Andrew Crofts & Ryan Mason were rumoured to be who we wanted but wages got in the way.

Finacial crisis there apparently.

not enough idiots to buy the fools gold nft.

And we managed to lose to these clowns.

They should get Shezza in.

Only if there was s no one lined up to replace him. There generally is but we’re Swindon Town, we tend to do things differently.

Don’t know how close we were - or at all - to employing Michael Carrick as manager. He’s taken Middlesbrough from relegation spot in Championship to challenging for a PO spot.

Aaaahh. What might have been.

Probably wages would have been an issue with him too. Lincoln wanted him but were put off by his wage demands.

Nowhere near, he should be the example to how we should really be more realistic. He turned down Fleetwood i believe and another championship club before taking that job. There were a few we were linked with  by fans that was madness

I think he was linked by fans was based upon him being close to the Lincoln job and Lincoln only being 1 division higher than us, despite the fact that they couldnt afford his wages, he was never a realistic target.

He was linked to us because one of us probably said ‘Carricks looking for a job’ and that’s all it was based on.

Carrick was a dream. We've attracted good managers early in their career before but wages was always going to be a struggle. You was hoping a mixture of Carrick knowing the club, seeing some potential there and Clem seeing the potential and pushing the boat out.

Cowley brothers sacked from Pompey

To give you an idea though, Crofts at Brighton was all but ready to come here as manager, and then Brighton came in with a new contract believed to be around 6 xs more than what a manager gets in this league. Madness now what coaches at these clubs are earning

Plus, so many more positions available than 20 years ago.
Better wages & better job security.

Plus, with how short term managers are these days you can see why they all move on first chance they get.
A lot of people wondered why Garner would go to Charlton - a seemingly basket case club who go through managers rather than stay here with some sort of stability.

Well, at Charlton he’s done what? 6 months work & has now gotten a pay off.

It’s why so many managers go to Watford. They probably get 2/3 years wages for 3 months work.

It’s probably more financially beneficial to be a shit manager who goes from job to job due to the pay off for being sacked.

The way I saw Garner leaving was that he'd be under pressure here to get promoted, he'd be under pressure there to get promoted - they are a bigger club and presumably pay more.

The fans never really took to him here anyway.

I'd love to know if there were any STFC issues that pushed him away too- did he know things were going to change recruitment strategy wise. Did Chorley know... I guess we'll never find out.

He’d have been under pressure from the fans for sure but he was last season as well but obviously Clem stuck with him.

Clem thus far has proven to be quite a loyal employer to be fair.

Probably lots of factors as why Garner picked Charlton over Swindon but I doubt the probability of being sacked by Charlton in 6 months was something he was bothered about - for him it’s a big pay day I expect.

Apologies if going over old ground here, but that means Crofts was our first choice as we clearly offered and it sounds like he accepted terms before Brighton gazumped us. I thought the message from the board was that Scott Lindsey was (always?) our #1 choice?

I remember reading that he had a house somewhere around SE London so that may have been a contributing factor. On the surface Charlton are a big club with lots of history but like Watford and it's owners it's become one of the most unstable jobs in English football.

The length of time it dragged on I would say Lindsey was the only choice with the package that was on offer.

Wasn’t that more the spill coming from Sandro, as opposed to the board/Clem.

No board/manager in history has ever said that their appointee was fourth choice though. Didn't the FA try and pretend Steve McLaren was first choice when they'd offered the job to Scolari?

Not sure we can claim the high ground here on our 7th manager of the 2020's Only 2 of which have been caretakers) with the fans now clamouring for an 8th.

How long a contract is Lindsey on as that may also be feeding into Clem's thoughts.

Sandro spin, Crofts was lined up, Brighton stepped in, Crofts backed out - easily spinnable to say that we didn't actually offer any contract and he turned it down so that you can say that Lindsey was our first choice.

Absolutely agree on both counts. I guess when the board have put the 'open and honest' mantra over the club's head it doesn't exactly scream that, but I totally understand why it was spun in the way it was.

Arguably none of those managers have been sacked though. Sheridan probably closest, but Wellens, Garner and McGreal (remember him?) all definitely left of their own accord for better things.

Last manager we properly sacked was Phil Brown in November 2018.

Part of the managerial instability is that anyone who has a half decent six months here seems to get a move up the chain.

Surely that isn't unlimited in scope though.

As you say, its completely understandable in this case.

Club can say what they like but if it takes you 6 weeks to appointment someone already at the club - there is absolutely no chance in hell he was first choice nor is there any chance in hell you will convince anyone otherwise.


I mean if Lindsey had spent the summer in a Greek monastery up a mountain - I’d somewhat get it but…

If you’re appointing someone at club (and who is first choice) you do it straight away and bang on about ‘continuity’

My Pompey mate says the football under them has been shocking.

One trick pony at Lincoln, bully boy manager and bully boy tactics don't cut it outside of L1. Told Huddersfield and Pompey  fans he only played that was at Lincoln because that was the players that were avaiable to him, then proceeds to play the same style at Huddersfield and Pompey.

My thoughts exactly, if Lindsey was always the first choice they would have appointment him straight away.

McGreal would do a far better job than Lyndsey.  Did a decent job with no money at Colchester and the majority of their fans were sorry to see him go.

They also thought he was going to Charlton with Garner so wasn’t really an option.

It was only when those negotiations broke down he became available.

Playing Devils Advocate that also meant we would have had to pay him off if we appointed a new coach

Maybe Brighton will let us have Crofts as a "loan manager" until the end of the season :)

Or there

Lampard must be on borrowed time, 4-0 down at home to Brighton

Grant McCann is about to be given his jotters from Peterborough.

Job for Darren Ferguson.....again😀

They do love giving him a job right enough!

Similar position to us in their league once all the games in hand have happened. So a decent precedent for getting rid of Lindsey.

Hes been on the edge of it for weeks apparently, could kybosh any deal for Joe Tomlinson though.

Seems that way!

"Hearing Grant McCann has left #PUFC and that Darren Ferguson is set to return for his FOURTH stint as manager."

Back till end of season apparently, at which stage he will probably leave by mutual consent for the 4th time.

David Wagner in at the Canaries.

Isn’t he busy fighting in Ukraine?

Having spent 6 years wasting Belgium's Golden Generation of talent, football's biggest charlatan* Roberto Martinez gets the Portugal job, where he'll no doubt squander their promising young players (and that old fella up top).



* Probably not, but he's certainly an absolutely chronic underperformer and everything his critics think Southgate is.

Luke Williams is fav for the Pompey gig

Rory Delap leaves Stoke as first team coach with immediate effect

The world’s greatest throw-in coach

Next stop Swindon....

I know hes done well at County but blimey!

Mark Hudson gets the heave-ho at Cardiff.

Lampard gone.. shock

(BBC reporting, not official from EFC)

FA appealing John Yems 18 month ban.

I hope they do.

There will be at least 92 clubs queuing up to offer him a role in England alone.

Hes finished...rightfully so...everyone knows it.

Political posturing.

Flash was on Countryfile last night!

Ian Burchnall gone from FGR

Make our appointment quick, I could see FGR looking for the same kind of profile...

Absolutely and probably paying more in wages.

Duncan Ferguson favourite for Forest Green job!

Don't tell DV

It may be a horrible case of judging a book by its cover, but Big Dunc might be my idea of the world's least vegan footballer.

Hopefully he ends up punching Dale Vince.

Oh yes please, can it be televised too

Early reports suggest FGR are going to appoint deadly Dunc today. Div is going to self-combust isn't he?

I don’t know if FGR have approached him or whether he approached them - but either way, it certainly gives of the vibes he *might* have been interested in coming here.

Obviously this is the bit where someone puts me in my place by knowing exactly what FGR will be paying Ferguson, what their budget is and how it compares to ours.

:D TBH that is the sort of appointment that could easily go either way, he could be great or he could just have a fight with himself and get sacked.

I think FGR are toast anyway so fair play to them for giving it a roll of the dice.

Indeed, it does prove that money doesnt always buy success though.

Although one could argue that money has already brought them success, getting a village team into League 1

This is true, they have done well for a tiny club but have massive financial backing and to be a real ongoing success he will need to take them higher now.

Can't wait to see Big Dunc in old town :-)

Ferguson is a bit of a country lad isn't he so you'd imagine he'd love the countryside around Nailsworth.

Confirmed

2 days! They obviously don’t have a Sandro.

Nor a manager that left out of the blue either

According to the ITKers on here SL was close to getting sacked.

Big Dunc said he had the approach two days ago, went down for talks & made up his mind yesterday! Amazing what can be achieved when the person in charge has an idea what they're doing.....

They produce financial accounts.  While you cannot use that to determine any individual salary, you can see they were ploughing cash into the business via "sponsorship" to a level well beyond most if not all L2 clubs.

Kolo Toure sacked from Wigan

Max 50k per home game is £1.15m 22 players on £2k per week is £2.2m plus all the other expenses of running the club. Bare in mind not everyone of the 2500 fans are going to be paying £20 per game.

Which was my point - the accounts clearly show Ecotricity/Vince sending a wad their way each season to underpin the wage bill.

Agreed but you’ve taken the time to look at the accounts. Plenty wouldn’t.

I got irritated by a LinkedIn post by their CEO or some other important position congratulating themselves on their successes.  I took a gander and replied to him once the financials confirmed their Commercial success was Daddy.

Looks like Jesse Marsch has gone from Leeds (confirmed now)

Marsching off alone.

Nice.
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Now confirmed he's gone.

Bielsa?

Bielsa doesn't do mid-season. Everton wanted to appoint him and he said he'd sign, but manage the U23s until EOS and then take over the first team, which is a funny idea if nothing else.

I know, likley to be Corberán I imagine.

Dyche would have been a good fit for Leeds.

How about Jody Morris?

What if this is all a tactical/strategic process?*  ;)

Everyone in relevant footy circles know that the Leeds dude is about to get the chop.
Swindon shrewdly sign Morris with a caveat of 'Leeds get first refusal at this stage'.

Morris gets "headhunted" by Leeds and publicly state he's the '...man we always wanted!'  or some bollocks.

Town get hefty compo for Morris.

Meanwhile Artell has been told this is the cunning plan (Baldrick) all along.
Town announce Artell.

Cue meltdown from STFC Facebook Fan page(s) whilst SdM counts out the compo like some Urban King - filling a money gun with one dollar bills, making it rain as Clem looks on with a shy chuckle.






*Disclaimer: If anyone thinks I'm being serious...please. It's purely a bit of light humour. Which seems to have escaped the TEF a lot in recent years

Interesting tale that is
Wilber Smith come home all is forgiven

Not sure Jody Morris is even allowed in Leeds anymore.
Let alone be welcomed.

He left under dubious circumstances in his playing days plus all that spygate stuff with Leeds & Derby a few years back.

Not that I thought your suggestion was serious but think the Leeds fans would kick off massively at Morris

Aye. Although that's never stopped clubs in the past appointing personnel based off what the fans think or may think/react (strangely and wrongly in my eyes).

Even more meltdown than my tongue in cheek musings initially thought then :)

#AnnounceArtell

Mark Fotheringham gone from Huddersfield

Nathan Jones Southampton

We were discussing him yesterday, and thought that maybe he had one more week, after losing a game against 10 men where you had the lead.

His post match interview last week made him look a bit of a dick, and can’t imagine the players were very happy with him

Very strange behaviour but that was probably down to stress after the constant abuse he was getting from the Southampton fans.

Doubt it. Nathan Jones is as mad as a box of frogs.
Very good manager, as long as it's Luton.

Piss poor from Southampton fans the way they treated him he was only there three months.

That would never happen at Swindon, oh wait 🤷🏼‍♂️

The only one who would gave got that much abuse during a game would have been Sheriden.

Yeah, we sit in silence at games, come home and abuse our managers online.

That's because we're a polite bunch and know the managers don't go on social media!

Colin Wanker joins Huddersfield

Critchley gone from QPR

Now in talks with Gareth Ainsworth

Jody Morris to Wycombe

Karl Robinson to Swindon

Mornington Unpleasant!

Scott Lindsey to Oxford 😀

The lot down the A420 arent happy bunnies. Twitter is quite amusing at the moment

Ainsworth gone from Wycombe to QPR

Matt Bloomfield gone from Colchester to Wycombe

Not the usual 6 fucking weeks then.

Amazing how virtually every other appointment is done in a timely manner and people will still do their very best to convince you its totally normal.

I can’t believe we took six weeks and the best we could get was Jody Morris.

I assume all the better options turned us down. Hence the delay.

Keith Curle gone from Hartlepool

Ouch, onto their 3rd full time manager of the season then.  

Almost in the Sheridactyl mode

Surely PB to come in for a firefighting session and do what he did at Barrow - to ensure they retain their football league status?  :hmmm:

Would be a 'homecoming' gig for him in some ways. Now he was an experienced right back.

Frohe Geburtstag for the other day btw  :pint:

vielen Dank

Ross Embleton caretaker Colchester manager

He seems to be a bit of a journeyman coach, popping up in caretaker manager roles at various clubs

John Askey gets the Hartlepool gig.

Until next month

Karl Robinson sacked from the lot down the A420

Shame he couldn't have lasted the season as he was doing a wonderful job!

Agree was way ahead in my Manager of the season vote.

It wouldn't surprise me if they get Michael Appleton back.

Apparently cheated on his wife with the women's team captain as well recently.

Shame he's gone really as they were only heading one way.

Hotel rooms courtesy of Oxford United expenses😋

Not a fan of Robinson buts he’s got a 41% win percentage from a managerial career that’s 13 years long and nigh on 700 games - which is not a bad return all things considered.

Only managed 3 clubs as well…

Only ever gained one promotion though

Said wife also allegedly turned up at the training ground with all his stuff in the car park too

Still doing carpool karaoke?

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
https://therealefl.co.uk/2023/02/27/former-swindon-town-boss-emerges-as-favouite-for-league-two-vacancy/

Garner got his "big" move too soon but I can see why a League Two side would give him another shot. From the laughing emoji I was expecting Shezza!

Garner would be better off waiting for a big non league club to rebuild his career like Williams has.

Garner would be better taking up a top job in an Academy, a really good one.  Maybe even a proper Technical Director role in a European club.

Garner confirmed at Colchester.

I can understand from Colchesters POV that he is a good fit as manager, but from a fans perspective....less attractive IMO.

Possibly the least Colchestery appointment ever

Isn’t their squad essentially recruited for a more hoofball style?

Apparently they have a lot of technical players, cant see it working for Garner, he got found out at Charlton, he will really be under the microscope at Colchester, probably last chance saloon if he wants to be a manager

Unsurprisingly, Scott Marshall traipses behind Garner to Colchester.

Watford sack yet another manager. Bilic gone replaced by Chris Wilder

Watford at it again!!

"Seventeen minutes after Bilic’s departure was confirmed, Wilder was announced as their new manager."

Seventeen minutes?

I think our last two managerial searches have lasted longer than the last two Watford managerial reigns!

Liam Manning gets the scummers job

Oxford and Franchise. What a guy

Good ‘ol Bernard. Carry on the good work.

He's gone to a smaller club😀

Looking at his win % I assume that he absolutely flew at MK until it went to shit in the last few games?

Dunc "the hunk" Ferguson under pressure at FGR already despite what the announcement says.

https://therealefl.co.uk/2023/03/14/forest-green-rovers-respond-to-reports/

Only 2 points from his first 8 games so far.

Ferguson Out. People are only giving him more rope because he played in the Prem.

And shows a lot of pashun

Patrick Vieira gone from Palace.

Not surprised really,they seem to be the easiest 3 points in the Prem at the moment.

Lampard to Palace
Morris to join as assistant on a secondment

Haven’t won in 11/12 games, if only we could play a team like that……….?

Yeah I bet we would beat a team on a run like that and not just draw.

Spat my tea!

Excellent!

If there is one thing STFC have excelled at in the last 12 months it’s getting other teams to pay us to take our duff managers off our hands.

🙂

Also worth pointing out put Palace have sacked Patrick Vieira and replaced him temporarily with Patrick McCarthy on St. Patrick’s day.

Just need to announce sponsorship with Paddy Power now

Colchester score in the 89 & 92nd minutes to draw 2-2 at Orient in Ben Garners first match in charge.

It was his 3rd game.

Apologies I thought that was his first game in charge. Lost to Bradford away & Stockport at home previously so a really tough start.

Tranmere sack Mickey Mellon.

They always say never renew your vows or go back for a second go. But for Mellon going back to Tranmere, he was always going to be in the cantaloupe; unfortunate the honeydew period didn't last as long as his first spell... :D

Tranmere might pray to the gods that they have to endure yet another season in L2 and galia goodbye to Mellon.

Apparently they’re going down the same route we are in squad assembly. Signing players for development and those dropping down from academies with a view to selling on for a profit.

Can’t understand why more clubs don’t follow this model!

Worked well for us so far!   Suspect it's used as a guise to reduce the budget.

I think many clubs do this but do it in a balanced way.   Going all out nursery has a low chance of succeeding.

Winning football matches drives revenue growth at this level.  If you do that you also showcase the talent.   A player from a shit team will never command a much of a fee.

Wouldn't surprise me if Artell went there given those comments.

This 100%.

Darren Ferguson is enjoying his fourth spell at Peterborough😀

Woy gets the Palace gig!

The Weturn of Woy. Massive backwards step from Viera IMHO.

But the only objective for them is to avoid relegation, then it will be new manager in the summer either way.

Its the thing with these middling PL teams, the main objective each season is just don't get relegated, they literally don't have anything else to realistically play for, I am not sure I could be arsed to support a team doing that kind of thing what is there to look forward to.

I fear we would be similar if we got to the Championship without massive investment, just a prolonged period of frantically treading water at best.

I appreciate what you are saying, survivial is a good season for about 50% of all Premier League teams every season.

As you state without serious investment they cannot ever be challenging at the top half of the table, even Newcastle with their massive investment have struggled to get into the top half at times yet by most would be considered one of the struggling 50% of teams normally.

With a squad as talented as Palace have, and they do have some outstanding players,I think they should be doing a lot better,so maybe it was down to Viera in some way

I am sure it is down to Viera but for me Woy is not a firefighter manager and not the correct appointment.

No, I quite agree mate. Might as well have gone for Sam Allardyce!

Dont swear like that!

Gary Taylor Fletcher gets the Crewe gig

 :hmmm: Isn't Lee Bell Crewe's manager?

Think you are getting confused with AFC Crewe, who appear to play in the Crewe and District Premier League (and top of that particular division thrillingly)

Norman Stanley Fletcher just popped into my head  :)

Scrub that one, then!

Conte gone from Spurs.

Jim Bentley sacked from Rochdale

Brendan Rodgers sacked from Leicester

Wow Rodgers is strange timing.

Second bottom, desperation stakes. Change something and hope

Must have someone lined up maybe a Jessie Marsch type

Graham Potter sacked

Lampard to Chelsea (again)
Morris as Assitant

Job for Jose😀

Bizarre to get two Prem sackings the weekend *after* the international break.

Potters decision is strange timing as they are still in the champions league and stuck in mid table so not threatening the top four or bottom three.

Potter to Leicester i reckon.
Nagelsmann to Chelsea.

Tottenham can have Sherwood

I suspect the Nagelsmann situation may have accelerated their decision making a little.

Good shout

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2023/april/club-statement-club-parts-company-with-james-lally/?fbclid=IwAR3TDYQAS-8tg53m72gcjrjLBhmJHgovCcb5UlC631QLkV5jsj-ZLXd2M8Y

STFC sack the Women's Team Manager. I only mention this because the quotes on this are from Rob Angus - I hadn't quite realised the integration of the women's side extended this far I don't think.

I can't think of a better use of Rob Angus' time than this. The club apparatus is humming like a finely tuned Rolls Royce, so I for one am delighted that he's spending his time searching for a new manager for the women's team.

Well, the good news on that front is that STFC managerial searches are famously smooth and deliver the right result in no time at all ;)

Seriously though, the statement reads rather like they have someone else they want to do the job. Sideways move for Jody, perhaps?

Didn't the women's team play at the CG at the weekend (I may have imagined that), can't believe the manager got in and out plus oversaw a game without anyone from the club speaking to him....

A job for Sandro??

Everyone on Twitter seems to have become an expert on the ins and outs of the women’s team which is interesting.

The club have fallen into the trap of largely playing to Twitter these days. A mistake in my eyes.

My understanding is that the women’s team is yet another thing Clem has taken advice on, from people with their own motives associated to the club.

I was at the women’s game on Sunday (and the previous one at the CG)

On both occasions I’ve found it a little odd how quiet the management team were in the dugout.
One of the ‘highlights’ if you will of attending reserve team and youth fixtures at the CG was that it was quiet enough that you could hear the ‘talk’ from the players and staff. An insight not really possible at first team games.

That’s not to say shouting, ranting and raving on the sidelines is the only way to manager or being quiet and calm means he’s not doing an effective a job as a manager.

Sunday he had a big coat on and his hood up and to be honest without the information available on the internet I’d have had no clue who was who out of three staff.

Again, that’s not me having a definitive opinion on the whole thing because I’ve seen very little - just pointing out something that really jumped out to me on both occasions.

…in fairness, all I’ve seen on social under this article is people being disappointed it wasn’t Sandro or suggesting Sandro should be next.

I’ve got no idea on STFC women, nor any idea on women’s football.

But what I do know is, it’s fucking rancid that finding out they are no longer in the job was the first time they’ve had any correspondence from Club management. Thought we were merging? Reeks of box ticking this merging stuff. How the fuck can you merge and not correspond with the management of said team? 😂 another episode in the day to day circus of running stfc.

Like someone’s already alluded to above, I really hope it’s not “jobs for the boys” and we see another “associate” of the regime magically turn up. 

I don't see what the issue is. New management effectively took over the women's team and wanted to do something different, would it not have been worse if the first conversation they had was "hey guys can't wait to work with you" and then they got told they weren't being kept on? Think people are being influenced by the current state of things not being great.

Whoop another thing of rumour and conjecture to beat the regime with.

Before everyone gets too over excited its worth remembering that there are two sides to every story and at this stage only on has ben heard. IIRC the womens side has/had a DoF and their own Chair who one would have expected to liaise with the wider club hierarchy etc so unless you are intimately aware of the line of command I am not sure how any conclusions can be drawn from the statement of an irate ex employee (was he an employee, is it a full time paid post?).

Talking of Twitter, there does seem to be quite the lack of dismayed tweets from the players about the guys departure?  

…seems odd to do it with 4 games left of the season - where the team are going to have a decent finish.

I’d have thought you let them see out the season then tell them you wish to move in another direction and wish them well in their future endeavours

Voluntary from my understanding…

I also thought as they play on Sundays and it’s Easter this week maybe they didn’t have a game and that gives a two week gap but according to the fixture list they have a game Sunday with absolutely no coaching staff…

My point is simply why has the club, which is struggling to manage even its most basic functions, taken on the extra workload of the women's team now? Fine to set up a target of fully integrating them in X number of years, but seems a baffling decision that only plays to the sort of people who hector on Twitter and genuinely believe that the Lionesses would beat the England men's team.

Get em on for the last ten minutes.

They did it last year this isn't a new thing. They obviously have a plan in mind, club has a huge list of things it can be hit with a stick with but not sure this really is one

They did it this season: https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2022/september/swindon-town-women-to-be-integrated-into-swindon-town-football-club/

Apologies, aware this is the wrong thread for this discussion!

Lampard going back to Chelsea as interim head coach

Morris dancing?

Wins them the champions league😀

Hopefully to significant cash from Chelsea

Where as I’m the opposite. I think this really is something to question the club about because the large majority, if not all the facts are there in black & white unlike a lot of the other things around the club that are very grey.

Women’s team got integrated with the men’s team.
Little to no budget / resources.
Coaching team purely volunteers.
Team by all accounts (results & league table) having a good season.
Four games left to go in aforementioned season.
First interaction with the club (Angus) results into two volunteers being ‘sacked’

Consider the previous two years the club have had: Garner pre good end of season run, Lindsey pre being poached and Morris with 1 win in 11 - it’s mad to think that Lally is the first manager they’ve sacked.

…now they might have something really big / amazing lined up but why would you implement that in a season that has 4 games left? Only really makes sense if you were in say danger of a relegation and were banking on a new manager bounce or something & if the club does have something big / amazing lined up would it have been worth keeping Lally & co on for a transition period and / or kept them at the club just in a different capacity for continuity….or just doing it in the summer after the season has finished?

I have only Lally’s social media + one conversation with someone close to the set up but they had a two year plan and have pretty much hit their target for year one. The only manager to do so this season I’d argue & yet the one that’s been given the chop.

Where is the logic behind any of that? Seriously.

I have no doubt it’s far from the club or fans biggest concern (I’m sure most couldn’t care less) but it’s a lot more fact orientated than the other stuff with regards to directors / Karachi / player recruitment / spreadsheets / Morris etc

Just feels like another poorly timed, poorly made odd decision by someone who could have well just flipped a coin.

Of course I could be eating humble pie in a few days (…or closer to 6 weeks) or there could have been a player revolt or something. Lost the dressing room blah blah blah.

 

Mick McCarthy gone from Blackpool.

It does make me smile seeing how well Luke Williams is doing for himself after he was shafted by Power but credit where it's due he's bounced back against all the odds.

He did prepare us fans for the tippy tappy passing shit that has become the norm at Swindon, he was a leader in his field!

On a par with Lindsey for style over substance.

Fair play to him getting it right at County, some managers fit clubs etc etc.

His confidence must had been at an all time low after the way he was treated here but he's probably smiling to himself looking at our shit show!

In fairness he was manager (against his will allegedly) 6 years ago now.
People do learn from experience and improve.

Fair point, he was forced into the job and has obviously learnt from his assistant manager roles at Franchise & Swansea

And had to deal with that twat Sherwood overriding him

Islam Feruz and Charlie Colkett disasterclass.

Our top scorer the season we went down was Obika... with 6 in all competitions!!!

Paul Ince gone from Resding

Watching Notts County defend yesterday I suspect we would have a similar shit show this season here if Williams was still in charge.  :D

You can't deny it was exciting to watch tho plus they create chances and score goals😀

Darrell Clarke sacked from Port Vale

That's a shame.

Weird, they are 6 clear with 4 to go.

What are PVs expectations?

Come on Vale, you can still get relegated  :)

I expect nothing thanks for caring :)

Wanking off dogs again, eh?

Will Flitcroft take over the role?

I know someone that works at vale, according to them he rocks up as he pleases and is taking a very healthy salary in doing so.

He's their Director of Football I think. Andy Crosby is in charge at the moment. He took control of them last season when Clarke was taking compassionate leave and I think he did quite well.

Recently signed a 5 year deal

Yeah they did in May 2022, so to sever a 4 year contract would have cost them a few bob.

Don’t really know if they binned him or the famous ‘by mutual consent’. I notice Flitcroft May have been stirring behind the scenes according to their fans. Apparently ‘senior players’ were consulted which is a dreadful way to come to a decision. He wanted to join Pompey recently but they were put off by the amount of compo they’d have to cough.

Anyways, hope they get relegated.

 Mike Flynn sacked from Walsall

Kevin Phillips quits NPL champions South Shields and looks likely to take over at Walsall.

Is it being spun as 'quit' now, it was 'mutual consent yesterday'.  ;)

I think reading between the lines a good deal for all.

Yes mutual consent (some say sacked some say quit also personal reasons have been quoted) with South Shields looking for "longer term better sustainability" which probably equates to his wages too high and his demands for new players outside of the current budget limitations.

Walsall would be a good career move and a big step up from the NPL.

I have seen some aspiration/desire to get Williamson at Shields from the mighty Heed, albeit unless Shields have more cash not sure of the benefits for him.

Tottenham briefing that they're considering sacking their caretaker manager  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Wow, that would be a first I would think.

Him and his coaching staff have been given their jotters. Ryan Mason takes interim control.

So he's the caretaker caretaker?

Robbie Fowler lined up for the Tranmere job.

I see what you [sniff] didd there  :D

Snow joke.

No you don't, you're telling white lines.

This could have something to do with The demise of the fat scouser from the piss stains  >:D >:D

That was the rumour at the time...

I notice in that, there is absolutely zero regard for the womens footy team star...other than her getting ''knobbed'' by the mens team gaffer. Interesting  :hmmm:

The Blizzard of '77  :)




It's all just a load of old Cola to me

Wellens bookies favourite for Reading job

https://www.readingchronicle.co.uk/sport/23494282.reading-fc-manager-hunt-leyton-orient-boss-becomes-bookies-favourite/

Suspect he won’t make the same mistake as he did with us and will stay at Orient.

Reading are a basket case.

He’d be fucking mad to go.
High chance they’ll be playing in the same division next season anyway.

Really? Reading are miles bigger than Orient, and have a much higher ceiling. Wouldn't blame him for jumping honestly.

Reading look to me (and it’s only a quick glance) to have imploded. They are well on their down to the lower league obscurity they came from. Orient might not have a massively high ceiling but at least currently their floor isn’t getting lower.

He wont go, think he has learnt his lesson

Welcome home Reading  :D

I think he's more likely to go to Blackpool to be honest.

Having said that, some Reading fans I know seem adamant he's going there. I'm not sure they can afford him, think the Orient owner has a few quid in his pocket so won't need the cash. Reading are hardly flush with money themselves.

Noel Hunt is already there as well.

I have heard from someone close to Wellens that he is keen to move back to his Manchester home.

If he does choose to leave Orient (where he has been denied the funds to sign a couple of players in the last windows...one being Dom Telford) then he will choose Blackpool over Reading for certain.

Sam Allardyce to Leeds. Bielsa to Allardyce in 15 months.

Firefighter, has to be worth a risk at this stage for them, not sure how much Lidls will lose if they are relegated but if Sam can get the best from them in the last few games it will be worth several million to the club. They are in freefall currently, big gamble.

I work with a well connected life long Leeds season ticket holder and I believe they have some serious American investment that hinges on them staying in the league, hence the panic stations.

Current fad, certainly in the PL, seems to be the appointing of interim managers / coaches.
Doesn't seem to be working with 2 of them being sacked and a third one who would now be out of a job had he been appointed a month earlier.

You would like to think he has learnt his lesson already, that the grass isn't always greener being close to home.

Relegation alone is estimated to cost clubs about £90m, so it makes sense, lack of extra revenue, sponsorship etc as well as TV rights. Its fucking mental.

Absolutely, I hear he is fed up with travelling, also Blackpool are a club very close to his heart and he has bonds with their fans too.

Can’t you see a buying signal when one is shouting at you? 😁

Darrel Clarke said to be excited and ready to get hands on with his new managerial role at Isle of Dogs FC.

Reports say he's 'chomping at the bit'. I bet he is  :pint:

Tranmere take the cheap option by appointing their caretaker manager Ian Dawes

Their fans are over joyed with this news

Understandably too. Cheap option is an understatement.

Cheap.

I know a technical director looking for a new job :D

I'd missed that Karl Robinson has gone there as assistant (along with Robbie Keane).

Doncaster sack Danny Schofield
Franchise sack Mark Jackson

Renhe Sports Management, the Reading FC holding company, have more than £220m in debt on their balance sheet. (they do have a very nice new training ground, to be fair!) I wonder how long their owner is going to keep pumping money in, now they are in League 1.

I wouldn't be massively shocked to see them go down again.

Passing us by  :pint:

Send the fuckers back to Elm Park😀

Fingers crossed!

I have no idea how they are financed and whether "book loss" is just that and of no consequence, But I hope they have tuppence hapenny budget and we get to play them - I can cross them off the "we'll never play you again" list.

We will likely play them in the Pizza Cup.

Cole Skuse recently released from Colchester United has been appointed manager of pheonix club Bury Town FC in the Isthmian League.

I think you are getting your Bury's mixed up, this is the Suffolk lot not the GM ones...  ;)

Ah right sorry my mistake :)  teaches me not to take what is posted on FB as gospel.

I see the northern Bury's have finally got their shit in order and agreed to play nicely so phoenix club, ground etc are all reunited as one for next season assuming the FA agree it.

Yes I saw that last week and thats why I thought a quick appointment of an ex L2 player was arranged, but alas, I should have checked facts first.

I like Bury, been there to see Town play 5 times and bad ownership was always going to get them in the shit. Its a good job the ground had not been sold off and developed already TBF.

Good luck to them.

Walsall have rather done what we did last summer and after an extensive search have appointed number 2, Matthew Sadler as manager. A good one for nominative determination fans.

The Walsall fans reacting in exactly the same split way we did. "Give him a chance" to "ffs, cheap option".

Must have joint worst fans in the world

I think Tranmere fans did similar when they did the same earlier this month. It seems to be 'on trend' at the moment.

Unsure what fans at this level expect most the time. Anyone appointed in League Two is either going to be unproven or failed somewhere.

TBH Tranmere did almost exactly the same appointing ex number 2 Ian Dawes and has exactly the same reaction.

A reaction I think is pretty much valid and also expected at every club in the EFL.

EDIT: I should read the whole thread before replying :)

Cowley in line to join MKDongs as new manager.

A departure from their previous modus operandi if that happens. Maybe the fashion of overrated academy coaches coming to an end for leagues one and two.

Hooray to that!!

I assume that Rokerite is in full on PR hard sell mode on their forum (if they have one!)

Neil Critchley back to Blackpool after QPR went south.

Bit of that about. I wonder how much Garner came up in conversations when we needed to replace Lindsey?

Not much

From what I have been told Clem was not a big fan of Garner.

;)

Jody Morris linked with St Johnstone

He had an interview with them before the end of the season IIRC and quickly went to the top of the bookies lists then.


And the fans like him too.

Would be extremely interesting to see he gets on there so quickly after leaving us.

He might do alright. He had a shit set of circumstances here, but still underperformed. If the threw his toys out the pram about it early and didn't put his heart in to it, then it may have contributed.

He was never exactly known as the most mature as a player, which did worry me when he was first linked.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/23544195.jody-morris-quizzed-st-johnstone-managerial-vacancy/

Having fallen off the bicycle so early in his managerial career, he will want to get straight back on as quickly as possible I imagine. I still think there is something there and suspect he will succeed at another club. Something poisoned the well early at STFC.

Yep, I have no hard feelings towards Morris, in fact I have no feelings good or bad towards him at all.

It didnt work here but doesnt mean he wont make it big elsewhere.

My thoughts exactly JJ

I think he’s a fraud and will get shown up where ever he goes…

Ferguson has signed another contract with Peterborough, expecting their retained list by the weekend

Well he’s obviously on it.

Graham Alexander gets the Dongs gig.

Underwhelming.

At least its not the Cowleys :)

Cotterill about to get the boot from Shrewsbury. Thought he was doing well there.

Strange one.

He doesn't want to work with a DOF so they've agreed something mutually I think. Can't see Cotterill being out of work for long, he's done pretty well there I think.

Loved his meltdown when we gave them their first defeat of the season.

'Swindon never opened us up once!'

Apart from Smith dancing through your defence......

Well I mean you can probably say that when you keep a clean sheet but it sounds a ridiculous statement if you haven't. It was more than likely made with at least 2 month old grapes in his mouth, the silly gummidge that he is.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/30081359

If your definition of doing well is hanging around at 17/18/19 in the table. Cotterill is one of those managers who do well early in their career, in his case at Nam, and milk it for the rest of their lives. Occasionally one of his clubs has a good season, but it's more about circumstances rather than what he brings to the table.

His non-mediocre seasons are:

- Inheriting a dream (and fraudulently assembled) largely Championship standard squad from Sven at Notts County and pissing the league 2
- Winning League One with Bristol City again with someone else's squad.

Maybe he should work with a DoF because he seems to be able to coach and lead a team of someone else gets him decent players.

Shrews finished 12th last season. I'd say that's probably par for them. Not sure what their expectations are but in a division with Ipswich, Sheff Weds etc I don't think you can really expect them to be much higher than they really were.

Postecoglou to Spuds pretty much done then.

Seems an odd one that.

Then i suppose odd doesn't mean anything.

Won’t see the season out

Honestly don't know enough about the guy or where he has managed previously to comment either way, but over a 681 game managerial career he has a win % of 53.74% which isn't half bad so we shall see.

Rodgers probably back to Celtic to rebuild his stock😆

Odd choice. Wont last long

I don't know, Spurs are obviously cursed and make a hash of everything, but I think they might have a good one there. Big Wenger vibes in coming via an unusual set of clubs but succeeding everywhere he goes.

Can see him doing well if they give him time, at the very least he'll want to be there which is an improvement on their last few managers.

Time is key.

Whilst it’s not exactly the same appointment obviously but a lot of similar things were said about Nuno Espirtio Santos.
Ok, so it’s guess work as to whether he would have performed well given more time but that genuinely felt like a decent appointment at the time

In the Premier league time is something that is very rarely given to managers. Take Arteta at Arsenal, his start there was pretty shaky and he was certainly under pressure, fans were not impressed and wanted him out. But the board kept faith, made some decent signings and they've flourished and had a great season. I think Spurs are going to have to do similar, stick with someone for at least a season to get 'Angeball' properly setup.

You say... Had a great season, I say... Biggest choke job ever.... Two ways of looking at the same thing I guess...

If I was an Arsenal fan I would definitely have a feeling of 'what could have been'. Not taking maximum points from Forest and Southampton at home when in a very commanding position and then being very much second best in the game away to Manchester City would have been hugely disappointing.

But looking at things more holistically, they hadn't finished as runners up since 15/16. Since then, their league finishes were 5th (Wenger), 6th (Wenger), 5th, (Emery) 8th (Arteta), 8th (Arteta), 5th (Arteta) and then 2nd. (this season) Surprising in a way that after dismissing Emery for finishing 5th they they tolerated consecutive 8th position finishes and then another 5th. Finally it seems to have clicked this year and compared to previous years their points tally is miles better than in previous years.

Spurs confirm Postecoglu on a 4 year deal.

Shrews confirm Steve Cotterill gone

I don't Coterill was the same after suffering with Covid

Think he left because they bought a DOF in

Steve Morrison who was linked with our job a few times takes over at Hornchurch in the Isthmian Premier League. Bit of a drop!

Very local to where he grew up and played a lot of his football but yes thats some drop for him, if he proves his worth he will soon get a bigger club though.

Thats quite a coup for them. Was rumoured to be going back to Cardiff only a couple of weeks ago.

Another non-league club throwing a bit of green about seemingly.

Gerrard off to ‘manage’ in the Saudi Pro League.

A big payday before he becomes a full time pundit perhaps

Karl Robinson turns down chance to manager Reading.

https://therealefl.co.uk/2023/06/19/former-oxford-united-and-charlton-athletic-boss-rejects-move-to-new-club/

Gary O'Neil sacked by Bournemouth.

That's pretty inexplicable....