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Title: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:17:21
Probably deserves it'd own thread

https://www.thefa.com/news/2021/apr/07/intermediary-regulations-breaches-070421


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:19:55
yeah, own thread is fair enough.

what are the possible punishments?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: REDBUCK on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:20:42
Come on then, anyone know the likely punishment

Points deduction?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:22:34
Come on then, anyone know the likely punishment

Points deduction?

We have to put Kovar in goals for the remaining games.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:22:55
We have to attend games


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:23:08
Quote from: Bob's Orange
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Come on then, anyone know the likely punishment

Points deduction?
We have to put Kovar in goals for the remaining games.

bit extreme


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:27:05
We have to attend games

 :clap:


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:30:25
Unlikely maybe, but this is surely the type of thing that could see us thrown out of the football league?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: bennett on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:30:38
There's a club statement AND IT'S NOT 5PM OR FRIDAY

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/april/statement-club-response-to-fa-charge/


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:31:37
This is what they're' allegedly' in breach of:

https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/policies/intermediaries/regulation-and-forms#:~:text=The%20FA%20regulations%20on%20working%20with%20intermediaries%20state%20that%20all,via%20The%20FA%20clearing%20house.


Clearinghouse payments

The FA regulations on working with intermediaries state that all payments (payments made as net salary deductions are exempt) made by a club to an intermediary in relation to a transaction are required to be made via The FA clearing house.

Payments to clubs belonging to other national associations in respect of transfer fees, solidarity and training compensation are also required to be made via The FA clearing house.

When a payment is made to The FA, the payment instruction form below must be completed detailing who the payment is for, what it is in relation to and the bank details for the beneficiary.

When a player is transferred between two clubs in different countries, 5% of the transfer fee paid is due as solidarity to the clubs who trained the player between the ages of 12 and 23. The calculator below can help to determine the amount due to these clubs. A completed version must be submitted whenever a solidarity payment is made via The FA clearing house.

I'm not sure this is even the same thing as the court stuff. I was wondering how we could be charged without the court having come to a conclusion yet.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:33:43
There's a club statement AND IT'S NOT 5PM OR FRIDAY

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/april/statement-club-response-to-fa-charge/
Statement?

Itís the Final Countdown.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Cheltred on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:34:56
Come on then, anyone know the likely punishment

Points deduction?
Power kicked out of football. But it's what they do to the club that concerns us more


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:37:28
Well, if irregular payments to players was deemed to be serious enough for us to be demoted, Iíd imagine underhand payments to the club will likely carry a similar punishment.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:38:22
Could somebody try and find out what the possible punishments actually are, as opposed to random guesses?

I did try but could find nothing.


Title: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:39:11
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Well, if irregular payments to players was deemed to be serious enough for us to be demoted, Iíd imagine underhand payments to the club will likely carry a similar punishment.
maybe this time we'll employ lawyers that will fight the case, rather than bend over and take it up the arse

(see chesterfield, spurs)


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:39:43
You can just here the swindle chants around the grounds again once crowds are allowed back in!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:39:50
Quote from: Flashheart
Could somebody try and find out what the possible punishments actually are, as opposed to random guesses?

I did try but could find nothing.

fair point. running a blank here too


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:40:07
Could somebody try and find out what the possible punishments actually are, as opposed to random guesses?

I did try but could find nothing.

No clue, and no obvious precedent.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:41:01
Well, if irregular payments to players was deemed to be serious enough for us to be demoted, Iíd imagine underhand payments to the club will likely carry a similar punishment.
Ultimate punishment is having your EFL membership revoked, having effectively in breach for almost a decade I would think they'd be looking at that as not only have we done it we've been hiding it. There's not really a precedent other than the West Ham vs Sheff United Tevez debacle and that was something like a £25m fine.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:41:29
Fuck me, what a season  :badmood:

Can someone put it in thicko terms what we are supposed to have done?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:42:04
Let's hope it's not another Luton Town -30 points


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:43:40
Been a long time coming with this owner, letís see what the damage is. Whatever happens, we will always support Swindon, the sooner power is gone the better.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:44:44
Personally I can't see how this wouldn't carry a harsher penalty than for going into Admin....


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:45:23
He never fails to let us down


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:47:03
Once one of the mainstream sites - BBC, Sky etc have time to put up an article -  in between reporting on all the footballers being racially abused online -  I suspect we may know more about possible punishments.

Or perhaps the Adver might give us some news?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:51:49
There's a club statement AND IT'S NOT 5PM OR FRIDAY

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2021/april/statement-club-response-to-fa-charge/

Swindon Town Football Club were made aware of the FA charges this morning

Sounds like bullshit to me!


Title: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:52:52
why Horlock?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:54:12
This is what they're' allegedly' in breach of:

https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/policies/intermediaries/regulation-and-forms#:~:text=The%20FA%20regulations%20on%20working%20with%20intermediaries%20state%20that%20all,via%20The%20FA%20clearing%20house.


Clearinghouse payments

The FA regulations on working with intermediaries state that all payments (payments made as net salary deductions are exempt) made by a club to an intermediary in relation to a transaction are required to be made via The FA clearing house.

Payments to clubs belonging to other national associations in respect of transfer fees, solidarity and training compensation are also required to be made via The FA clearing house.

When a payment is made to The FA, the payment instruction form below must be completed detailing who the payment is for, what it is in relation to and the bank details for the beneficiary.

When a player is transferred between two clubs in different countries, 5% of the transfer fee paid is due as solidarity to the clubs who trained the player between the ages of 12 and 23. The calculator below can help to determine the amount due to these clubs. A completed version must be submitted whenever a solidarity payment is made via The FA clearing house.

I'm not sure this is even the same thing as the court stuff. I was wondering how we could be charged without the court having come to a conclusion yet.


So are they suggesting that payments to/from Standing were for Agent services or something with him acting as some sort of intermediary? Seems a bloody odd way of charging us.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:54:37

Or perhaps the Adver might give us some news?

They'll be waiting on us more like.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:56:09
why Horlock?

Considering how little regarding the Standing/Power relationship is in the public domain they cannot of based this purely on that, which suggests to me that the club have been co-operating with (or obstructing) an ongoing FA investigation and would have known what was in the post.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:57:00
why Horlock?

You would imagine the club (in the form of an Email or official letter) would have been made aware before this was published.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:59:39
Clutching at straws they only have 2 weeks to respond which hopefully will bring things to a head one way or the other!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 16:59:42
This is what they're' allegedly' in breach of:

https://www.thefa.com/football-rules-governance/policies/intermediaries/regulation-and-forms#:~:text=The%20FA%20regulations%20on%20working%20with%20intermediaries%20state%20that%20all,via%20The%20FA%20clearing%20house.


Clearinghouse payments

The FA regulations on working with intermediaries state that all payments (payments made as net salary deductions are exempt) made by a club to an intermediary in relation to a transaction are required to be made via The FA clearing house.

Payments to clubs belonging to other national associations in respect of transfer fees, solidarity and training compensation are also required to be made via The FA clearing house.

When a payment is made to The FA, the payment instruction form below must be completed detailing who the payment is for, what it is in relation to and the bank details for the beneficiary.

When a player is transferred between two clubs in different countries, 5% of the transfer fee paid is due as solidarity to the clubs who trained the player between the ages of 12 and 23. The calculator below can help to determine the amount due to these clubs. A completed version must be submitted whenever a solidarity payment is made via The FA clearing house.

I'm not sure this is even the same thing as the court stuff. I was wondering how we could be charged without the court having come to a conclusion yet.

I think it's more likely to be this isn't it?


Restriction on Conflict of Interest
4.      
An Intermediary, any individual or legal person with an interest in an Intermediaryís Organisation or an Intermediaryís Organisation shall not have an interest in a Club. Similarly, a Player, Club, Club Official, Manager or any individual or entity with an interest in a Club shall not have any interest in the business or affairs of an Intermediary or an Intermediaryís Organisation. Such interest shall be defined as:
a. beneficial ownership of more than 5% of any entity, firm or company through which the activities of the Club or Intermediary (as applicable) are conducted
and/ or
b. being in a position or having any association that may enable the exercise of a material,financial, commercial, administrative, managerial or any other influence over the affairs of the Club or Intermediary (as applicable) whether directly or indirectly and whether formally or informally.


https://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/thefaportal/governance-docs/agents/intermediaries/the-fa-working-with-intermediaries-regulations-2020-21.ashx

And further down in the PDF it sets out the mechanism for punishment of breaches

"Any breach of these Regulations shall be Misconduct in accordance with Rule E1.1. Any charge for Misconduct shall be dealt with in accordance with the Rules of The Association and shall be determined by a Regulatory Commission of The Association"

So there is no fixed penalty, it is determined by a panel.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 17:02:01
The punishment will be a 5 year extended contract for Sheridactyly that cannot be cancelled.
The end.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 17:03:12
They'll be waiting on us more like.

Ha. Any minute now there will be a report on the adver site ending with;

'possible punishments include Swindon Town being forced to play Matej Kovar in goal for the remaining games this season or Season Ticket holders being forced to watch the remaining home games at the County Ground. The Adver is waiting for further comment from Lee Power and representatives from Swindon Town Football Club but can report what looks like a pig shaped projectile in the distance floating over the Magic Roundabout'


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 17:03:46
You would imagine the club (in the form of an Email or official letter) would have been made aware before this was published.


Of course they would, they would have to have been.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 17:05:00
I think it's more likely to be this isn't it?


Restriction on Conflict of Interest
4.      
An Intermediary, any individual or legal person with an interest in an Intermediaryís Organisation or an Intermediaryís Organisation shall not have an interest in a Club. Similarly, a Player, Club, Club Official, Manager or any individual or entity with an interest in a Club shall not have any interest in the business or affairs of an Intermediary or an Intermediaryís Organisation. Such interest shall be defined as:
a. beneficial ownership of more than 5% of any entity, firm or company through which the activities of the Club or Intermediary (as applicable) are conducted
and/ or
b. being in a position or having any association that may enable the exercise of a material,financial, commercial, administrative, managerial or any other influence over the affairs of the Club or Intermediary (as applicable) whether directly or indirectly and whether formally or informally.


https://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/thefaportal/governance-docs/agents/intermediaries/the-fa-working-with-intermediaries-regulations-2020-21.ashx

And further down in the PDF it sets out the mechanism for punishment of breaches

"Any breach of these Regulations shall be Misconduct in accordance with Rule E1.1. Any charge for Misconduct shall be dealt with in accordance with the Rules of The Association and shall be determined by a Regulatory Commission of The Association"

So there is no fixed penalty, it is determined by a panel.

Makes more sense, albeit once this went to Court (and entered the public domain) how was Power expecting to wriggle out of it, makes his Barry rather than Standing defence (rather than just settling OOC to keep it quiet) even more nonsensical.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 17:05:58
Quote from: horlock07
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why Horlock?
Considering how little regarding the Standing/Power relationship is in the public domain they cannot of based this purely on that, which suggests to me that the club have been co-operating with (or obstructing) an ongoing FA investigation and would have known what was in the post.


ah, I see.

yes I guess they may have suspected it was coming but only received official notification this morning.

don't worry, I'm sure Steve 'i am a real person' Anderson was on top of it


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 17:09:25
I assume insofar as they have charged Standing rather than Gary Barry, the FA (or at least their legal advisors) have concluded that Powers 'it was Barry's money' case is bullshit. I wonder whether something has happened in the court case which has not reached the public domain yet, otherwise there is the potential for this to prejudice that case as it basically directly contradicts Powers case!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: flammableBen on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 17:13:59
Is this likely to be power doing deals on / moving around transfer money in a way heís not supposed to have? Thereís some stuff about transfer fees which seems to be against the way Iíve understood stuff like basing income on sell on causes which we may or may not have done?

I mean fuck knows . Honestly donít have the energy to do a proper deep read at the moment 😔


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 17:15:32
You would imagine the FA want this resolved - and any punishment - this season, hence only giving 2 weeks to respond, giving it time for appeals as well.

Either way you would suspect a hefty punishment is coming our way, it surprises me that this has come before the court case though.

You would also imagine part of the punishment would be that Standing has to either cease having a controlling interest in the club or cease to be a football agent.

Imagine if crowds had been allowed at games - I think Power would be employing a van load of bodyguards - or not attended games


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 17:23:39
The concerning thing is, if we get a demotion as punishment (how ever long that takes to decide), and don't do enough in the league this season, we end up as a NL club next season.

There was us preparing ourselves for Barrow, we could be looking forward to many more different grounds than Barrow.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 17:31:27
The concerning thing is, if we get a demotion as punishment (how ever long that takes to decide), and don't do enough in the league this season, we end up as a NL club next season.

There was us preparing ourselves for Barrow, we could be looking forward to many more different grounds than Barrow.
Or get a points deduction next season and spend a whole season thinking about non-league.......don't know which is worse to be fair.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 17:34:06
I think it's more likely to be this isn't it?


Restriction on Conflict of Interest
4.      
An Intermediary, any individual or legal person with an interest in an Intermediaryís Organisation or an Intermediaryís Organisation shall not have an interest in a Club. Similarly, a Player, Club, Club Official, Manager or any individual or entity with an interest in a Club shall not have any interest in the business or affairs of an Intermediary or an Intermediaryís Organisation. Such interest shall be defined as:
a. beneficial ownership of more than 5% of any entity, firm or company through which the activities of the Club or Intermediary (as applicable) are conducted
and/ or
b. being in a position or having any association that may enable the exercise of a material,financial, commercial, administrative, managerial or any other influence over the affairs of the Club or Intermediary (as applicable) whether directly or indirectly and whether formally or informally.


https://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/thefaportal/governance-docs/agents/intermediaries/the-fa-working-with-intermediaries-regulations-2020-21.ashx

And further down in the PDF it sets out the mechanism for punishment of breaches

"Any breach of these Regulations shall be Misconduct in accordance with Rule E1.1. Any charge for Misconduct shall be dealt with in accordance with the Rules of The Association and shall be determined by a Regulatory Commission of The Association"

So there is no fixed penalty, it is determined by a panel.

The link I gave is the same link the FA gave in their original statement.

This is it in full:

Intermediaries regulations

The licensing system for agents ceased to exist on 1st April 2015 and was replaced by the concept of intermediaries in accordance with the FIFA regulations on working with intermediaries.

The FA regulations on working with intermediaries can be found in the resource section below, together with a set of guidance notes for both intermediaries and players.

Standard forms

This page also contains all the forms and information relating the declaration of intermediary activity in a transaction. To download any of these forms, please see the resource document section below.

The IM1-NR is required when no intermediary has been used by any party in the deal.

The IM1 form provides for declaration of all the intermediaries used in a deal and must be signed by all parties. Annex 1 declares the payments being made by the player to the intermediary and must be completed if the player has used an intermediary (even if no payment is being made to the intermediary). Annexes 2 and 3 must be completed in cases of dual (or multiple) representation and declare the payments being made by the registering club or former club (as applicable) to the intermediary.

The IM2 is required to be completed by all parties who wish to complete a transaction where there may be a (potential) conflict of interest. This is not required in cases of dual (or multiple) representation.

An FAQ document on the IM forms can also be found in the resources section.

Clearing house payments

The FA regulations on working with intermediaries state that all payments (payments made as net salary deductions are exempt) made by a club to an intermediary in relation to a transaction are required to be made via The FA clearing house.

Payments to clubs belonging to other national associations in respect of transfer fees, solidarity and training compensation are also required to be made via The FA clearing house.

When a payment is made to The FA, the payment instruction form below must be completed detailing who the payment is for, what it is in relation to and the bank details for the beneficiary.

When a player is transferred between two clubs in different countries, 5% of the transfer fee paid is due as solidarity to the clubs who trained the player between the ages of 12 and 23. The calculator below can help to determine the amount due to these clubs. A completed version must be submitted whenever a solidarity payment is made via The FA clearing house.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 17:44:49
The punishment will be a 5 year extended contract for Sheridactyly that cannot be cancelled.
The end.

C'mon Duke - Focus!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 17:51:28
The link I gave is the same link the FA gave in their original statement.

I know. That's where I found the link to the full regulations which is the one I quoted from (and copied in the link). I'm not going to quote the full 15 page PDF in full though :)

Tenner says the charge is Rule E4 (conflict of interest) rather than illegal payments.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: chalkies shorts on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 17:56:00
Is this the same Michael standing who played for the scum


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 18:00:28

Tenner says the charge is Rule E4

I'll put 1p on it. (I might only have skimmed through it rather quickly as opposed to actually reading it)


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 18:01:21
I'll put 1p on it. (I might only have skimmed through it rather quickly as opposed to actually reading it)
2p. I'm a high roller.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 18:02:16
As a guideline what punishment would a conflict of interest bring


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 18:07:15
As a guideline what punishment would a conflict of interest bring
"Any breach of these Regulations shall be Misconduct in accordance with Rule E1.1. Any charge for Misconduct shall be dealt with in accordance with the Rules of The Association and shall be determined by a Regulatory Commission of The Association"

So there is no fixed penalty, it is determined by a panel.

I've had a quick search and can't find any precedent on punishment for breaches of rule E4. There's shitloads of agents breaching rule E1 (b) though. Hartlepool also got done for E1b and were fined £25k, but it's a completely separate rule so not at all relevant. Just thought I'd show I'd done some looking :)


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Chunkyhair on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 18:15:20
Not clever enough to understand all of this and not got as much knowledge of the history of the club as many on here, but it raised a question in my mind - has any other club had as many shysters owning it in the last 40 years than Town?  There may be bigger shysters than the ones we have had, but fucking hell for sheer volume we don't half seem to attract them.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 18:20:05
I've had a quick search and can't find any precedent on punishment for breaches of rule E4. There's shitloads of agents breaching rule E1 (b) though. Hartlepool also got done for E1b and were fined £25k, but it's a completely separate rule so not at all relevant. Just thought I'd show I'd done some looking :)

Nice ne Pauld appreciate you taking the time to look


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 18:20:47
Not clever enough to understand all of this and not got as much knowledge of the history of the club as many on here, but it raised a question in my mind - has any other club had as many shysters owning it in the last 40 years than Town?  There may be bigger shysters than the ones we have had, but fucking hell for sheer volume we don't half seem to attract them.
TBF, Pompey were for a time owned by a Russian-Israeli organised crime syndicate. That takes some beating


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 18:22:17
Nice ne Pauld appreciate you taking the time to look
I'm hoping the news broke in time for it to be included in tomorrow's Price of Football Podcast and they might have some idea. Although I'd treat anything they come up with with large pinches of salt as for an accountant Kieran Maguire can be quite fast and loose with the facts at times and has a nasty habit of answering a different question to the one asked.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 18:23:18
I'm hoping the news broke in time for it to be included in tomorrow's Price of Football Podcast and they might have some idea. Although I'd treat anything they come up with with large pinches of salt as for an accountant Kieran Maguire can be quite fast and loose with the facts at times and has a nasty habit of answering a different question to the one asked.

He sounds like a politician😀


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 18:24:20
She sounds like a politician😀
Kieran? She?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 18:26:01
Kieran? She?

Its been a long day😀


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 18:26:59
Its been a long day😀
:D


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 18:27:41
 :eek:


Title: Re: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 18:30:02
TBF, Pompey were for a time owned by a Russian-Israeli organised crime syndicate. That takes some beating
Just out if interest which owner was that?

Sent from my SM-A125F


Title: Re: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 18:31:59
I'm hoping the news broke in time for it to be included in tomorrow's Price of Football Podcast and they might have some idea. Although I'd treat anything they come up with with large pinches of salt as for an accountant Kieran Maguire can be quite fast and loose with the facts at times and has a nasty habit of answering a different question to the one asked.
His tweets and pieces are so riddled with rubbish that even a cursory Google rebuts I never know whether to believe a word he says.

Sent from my SM-A125F


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 18:44:10
TBF, Pompey were for a time owned by a Russian-Israeli organised crime syndicate. That takes some beating

And then they were owned by Ali Al-Faraj, a sheikh who didn't exist. Unless that's the time you meant!

No idea what to make of this really. Hopefully it hastens the end of Power.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Chunkyhair on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 18:44:49
TBF, Pompey were for a time owned by a Russian-Israeli organised crime syndicate. That takes some beating

As I said - I don't doubt there are bigger shysters out there who have owned clubs, but for sheer quantity of them we have had we must top the league.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 18:46:56
It didn't take long😀

https://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?/topic/211800-swindle-in-deeper-shite/


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Crackity Jones on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 18:47:09
As I said - I don't doubt there are bigger shysters out there who have owned clubs, but for sheer quantity of them we have had we must top the league.
maybe we attract a lower quality of shyster than others and they are more often found out?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 18:47:52
And then they were owned by Ali Al-Faraj, a sheikh who didn't exist. Unless that's the time you meant!

No idea what to make of this really. Hopefully it hastens the end of Power.
Yes he was one of the front men.

As I said - I don't doubt there are bigger shysters out there who have owned clubs, but for sheer quantity of them we have had we must top the league.
Ah, yes, on sheer volume quite possibly.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Chunkyhair on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 18:48:11
maybe we attract a lower quality of shyster than others and they are more often found out?

Actually - you may have something there: "The Town Way"


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 18:48:15
maybe we attract a lower quality of shyster than others and they are more often found out?
Shite shysters?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: flammableBen on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 18:48:45
Oysters


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Chunkyhair on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 18:49:26
Owen Oyster?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 18:51:26
Assume the FA powers are far greater than the FL so any form of punishment is possible


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: flammableBen on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 19:09:34
CLUB RESPONSE TO FA CHARGE

sponsored by dominoes pizza


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 19:18:04
Good statement from the Trust

https://truststfc.tv/truststfc-press-release-in-response-to-stfc-fa-charges/


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 19:52:29
C'mon Duke - Focus!

:D


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 19:54:13
Just coincidence the NHRC decided to end their sponsorship the other day?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 20:01:07
No mention of Gareth Barry either


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 20:25:28
Just coincidence the NHRC decided to end their sponsorship the other day?
Who were they?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 20:26:34
No mention of Gareth Barry either
I thought that Standing was involved with Barry, is that the connection?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 20:32:42
Power well on the ropes now and cornered.
The safe is well and truly empty and wonít have any more gullible lenders to fall back on.
Canít see this playing out until December and he will show his true colours.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 20:36:53
I reckon heíll get his lawyers to press the FA into putting the case on hold pending the outcome of the court case claiming that if the FA pass judgement they will be prejudicing a court hearing. Weíll just have another thing putting us in limbo hanging over the club!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 20:41:26
Iím still failing to understand what rules have been broken. Some bloke has been putting money into the club. Why is that a no no?


Title: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 20:42:28
Quote
I reckon heíll get his lawyers to press the FA into putting the case on hold pending the outcome of the court case claiming that if the FA pass judgement they will be prejudicing a court hearing. Weíll just have another thing putting us in limbo hanging over the club!
can't see the FA being happy to do that. especially if punishment potentially affects the structure of the leagues


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 20:43:25
Who were they?
I assume he means NSBRC, the National Self Build & Renovation Centre who were one of the back of shirt sponsors this season


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 20:43:42
Iím still failing to understand what rules have been broken. Some bloke has been putting money into the club. Why is that a no no?
Conflict of interest.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 20:44:43
Iím still failing to understand what rules have been broken. Some bloke has been putting money into the club. Why is that a no no?

Conflict of interest.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 20:47:21
Conflict of interest.

A ďfriendĒ of mine escaped a custodial sentence on a similar matter.
Was still found guilty mind you. lawyers can do all sorts of deals outside the court room.
I see this going the same way. Eye opening when you get into the facts.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 20:53:22
Has the club benefited at all from this? No. We were in L1 when Power took over and havenít progressed since. This isnít like paying players outside of their contracts which did, indeed, give the club an unfair advantage.

How has this conflict of interest manifested itself on the playing side of the club?

Christ, we all know that some clubs are money laundering or that their owners are just a front for shadowy money backers.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 20:54:48
It's a good job Graham Kelly isn't on the FA panel'


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 20:58:36
Has the club benefited at all from this? No. We were in L1 when Power took over and havenít progressed since. This isnít like paying players outside of their contracts which did, indeed, give the club an unfair advantage.

How has this conflict of interest manifested itself on the playing side of the club?

Christ, we all know that some clubs are money laundering or that their owners are just a front for shadowy money backers.
The rule is there to prevent agents from operating a club in their own financial interest. Whether it's a good rule or not is immaterial, it's part of the FA regulations and if you break them you risk being charged, same with any rules. And I'm sure you're right that there are probably plenty of other clubs that have done this and got away with it. But they weren't stupid enough to disclose the details of it in a publicly reported court case.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 21:02:51
So, has Standing, as a football agent, placed any players with the club or facilitated the transfer of players out of the club for his own financial gain?

Seems to me all heís done is lose a shit load of money. Would the charge be different or more/less severe if it was Standing or Barry that put the money in?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 21:05:46
can't see the FA being happy to do that. especially if punishment potentially affects the structure of the leagues
Canít imagine the FAís lawyers being happy with the potential legal ramifications of prejudicing a court case either. A mess...


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 21:06:14
So, has Standing, as a football agent, placed any players with the club or facilitated the transfer of players out of the club for his own financial gain?
That isn't really the point. The rule is what it is and if Standing has indeed put money into the club in return for an ownership stake or beneficial interest then that is forbidden under rule E4

https://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/thefaportal/governance-docs/agents/intermediaries/the-fa-working-with-intermediaries-regulations-2020-21.ashx



Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 21:06:55
Canít imagine the FAís lawyers being happy with the potential legal ramifications of prejudicing a court case either. A mess...
As Shrivvy Road has pointed out on Twitter (and Flashheart on here earlier apparently), it may be that the FA charge is an indication that the case has been settled out of court.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 21:08:08
As Shrivvy Road has pointed out on Twitter, it may be that the FA charge is an indication that the case has been settled out of court.

I was wondering something along these lines. I think I mentioned it earlier.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 21:10:08
That isn't really the point. The rule is what it is and if Standing has indeed put money into the club in return for an ownership stake or beneficial interest then that is forbidden under rule E4

https://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/thefaportal/governance-docs/agents/intermediaries/the-fa-working-with-intermediaries-regulations-2020-21.ashx


OK. Thanks. In that case I canít see how the charge is severe enough to warrant a points deduction.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 21:11:18
OK. Thanks. In that case I canít see how the charge is severe enough to warrant a points deduction.
Well, let's hope you're on the panel then!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 21:13:29
So, has Standing, as a football agent, placed any players with the club or facilitated the transfer of players out of the club for his own financial gain?

Seems to me all heís done is lose a shit load of money. Would the charge be different or more/less severe if it was Standing or Barry that put the money in?

In the fullness of time it will come out on who actually ďownsĒ the club in financial terms.
Donít forget a contract can still exist verbally and you only have to see that the Clem ownership issue was settled out of Court.
The ďotherĒ battle is likely to be an identical case but initially with more at stake. This Club is being financed by borrowed money. If you are willing to stick some money in I will get you a playing contract.



Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 21:14:30
Quote from: pauld
As Shrivvy Road has pointed out on Twitter (and Flashheart on here earlier apparently), it may be that the FA charge is an indication that the case has been settled out of court.

or that the court case outcome has no bearing on the charge.

I hope it's because it's settled though. It makes it more likely Power is sodding off.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 21:17:05
OK. Thanks. In that case I canít see how the charge is severe enough to warrant a points deduction.

Can go many ways.
Donít forget our history. All depends on what the panel see fit on the day.
One thing guaranteed we are not a ďwell runĒ football club and when the drains get lifted this could expose some interesting facts.
Unfortunately as in most cases the real hurt is always subjected to the Supporters.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 21:21:39
Who were they?

National Homebuild and Renovation Centre based over at Blagrove.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 21:22:34
or that the court case outcome has no bearing on the charge.

I hope it's because it's settled though. It makes it more likely Power is sodding off.

Power canít last much longer.
Just hoping he is not ďforcedĒ in December and we donít have to wait that long. Would be in his interest if his ďlegal representativeĒ obtain a settlement and keeps the history under cover.
Itís a long time until December and the club still have bills to pay.
The recent news will have a severe impact on season ticket sales which are being held back. Itís going to be a case of holding onto your money and playing a time game.
Our biggest challenge currently is off the field.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 21:24:51
or that the court case outcome has no bearing on the charge.


I don't see how it can't.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: stfcjack on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 21:27:11
In the words of bootlegger

ďFUCK THIS SHIIITĒ


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 21:27:20
I wonder what Digger has to say about it all? Also his offer to by the club recently may have been a harbinger of what has come out today.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 21:27:56
I wonder what Digger has to say about it all?
I'm sure he'll ring someone up later and tell them :)


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 21:30:01
Digger?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: stfcjack on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 21:30:52
Digger?

Iím assuming heís on about Clem, I donít understand the Digger reference though haha


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 21:31:40
Iím assuming heís on about Clem, I donít understand the Digger reference though haha

Digger, slang for an Aussie bloke.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: stfcjack on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 21:32:54
Digger, slang for an Aussie bloke.

Ahhh, gotcha cheers!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 21:34:01
Ahhh, gotcha cheers!

You fackin kidz know nuffink.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 21:34:26
I'm sure he'll ring someone up later and tell them :)

Ah, ripper.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: stfcjack on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 21:50:12
You fackin kidz know nuffink.

 :D


Title: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 21:52:38
Quote
I don't see how it can't.
but equally assuming a deal hasn't been done i don't see how the charges can be laid now.

I was thinking along very basic lines of recieving money from an agent bring against rules regardless of whether it was a loan or for shares.

I didn't give it much thought - like why wait until now to lay the charges.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: flammableBen on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 21:57:14
Which side was power arguing on the shares / money again? Surely one side is arguing that they would have broken these fa rules in he court case ? Or something


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 22:01:21
Which side was power arguing on the shares / money again? Surely one side is arguing that they would have broken these fa rules in he court case ? Or something
Power said Barry leant the money not Standing. Which would still be against the rules, but it may be that in that instance only Barry would have done something wrong, not the club?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 22:41:39
Several ex players as clients on the first pro management website


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 22:45:57
Wouldnít this charge cover payments of transfers and sell on transfer monies to individuals not listed or Ďentitledí under the proper mechanisms?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: That Nestor Lorenzo Heade on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 22:47:39
Wonder why the FA has acted now to bring this charge? To my knowledge the Standing conflict of interest thing has been in the public domain for at least six months. Is this just the legal process plodding along or has something new come to light?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 22:48:32
I love the irony that First Touch Pro Management lists accountancy, financial, and legal advice as part of the their service offering on their website. Can you imagine asking part of the Lee Power clan for advice on anything that didnít involve paying in wads of 50s, horses and duty free fags?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 7, 2021, 23:14:44
Wonder why the FA has acted now to bring this charge? To my knowledge the Standing conflict of interest thing has been in the public domain for at least six months. Is this just the legal process plodding along or has something new come to light?

Perhaps the fa have been compiling their evidence over this time


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 06:06:31
Whatís the reasoning behind both Power and STFC, individually, being in breach of this regulation? Is there a case that Power, as an individual, is in breach and the club is not?

Same goes for First Touch and Standing being named separately.

Anyone any idea when Standing stopped putting money into the club? Is it likely he financed last seasonís promotion?

Has the club, on the pitch, benefited from this breach of regulations?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: otanswell on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 06:07:34
Standing stopped putting money in when power changed the login details to the clubs bank account and rightly so


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 07:11:26
Which was when? Same time as he locked Clem out?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 07:27:08
I know its the sun, but

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/14577530/gareth-barry-fa-rap-swindon-stake/


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 07:28:49
Whatís the reasoning behind both Power and STFC, individually, being in breach of this regulation? Is there a case that Power, as an individual, is in breach and the club is not?

Same goes for First Touch and Standing being named separately.

Anyone any idea when Standing stopped putting money into the club? Is it likely he financed last seasonís promotion?

Has the club, on the pitch, benefited from this breach of regulations?

He loaned the club £6m!   So yes the club benefitted on the pitch by being able to fund a team beyond it otherwise could have done.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: DV Canio on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 07:46:18
He loaned the club £6m!   So yes the club benefitted on the pitch by being able to fund a team beyond it otherwise could have done.


Thatís in theory no different to any other external person(s) providing extra funding.

Itís that fact that itís a agent/player thatís the issue.

How many players have we bought/sold who were already on Standings books and have any of our players changed agents to Standing during their tenure here?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 07:52:12
Itís quite difficult to make a case for why we shouldnít have a hefty fine and a points deduction. Thanks Lee.  There goes the plan to have a clean slate next season - starting on -15 points, reducing our ability to recruit a decent manager or decent players. I suspect the ďbut heís my fackin maaate wot gave me the cashĒ defence wonít get Del Boy out of this.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 07:53:21
Thatís in theory no different to any other external person(s) providing extra funding.

Itís that fact that itís a agent/player thatís the issue.


He's an agent who loaned the club £6m - he's not allowed to do that under FA rules so it is different to any other external person putting the cash in.

Audrey was asking how we benefitted on the pitch, which by implication would make a points deduction more likely.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 08:08:12
Itís quite difficult to make a case for why we shouldnít have a hefty fine and a points deduction.

It isn't. People have already been doing it.

I'm not saying there won't be a points deduction - I don't know what will happen - but it's actually rather easy to make a case for their not being a points deduction.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 08:22:32
Whatís the reasoning behind both Power and STFC, individually, being in breach of this regulation? Is there a case that Power, as an individual, is in breach and the club is not?

Same goes for First Touch and Standing being named separately.
Yes, that's why they're all named separately. Any or all of them could be found to be in breach, separately or together, but that's unlikely, if one is guilty, it is likely all are. More importantly they can be punished separately - so the panel could throw the book at the individuals but give the corporate entities lighter punishments.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 08:26:26
Fine and ban Barry, Standing and Power from being anywhere near a football club ever again. Force the fuckers to sell up and fuck off for good but I think this is what will relegate us...

No wonder Scott Twine hasn't signed anything yet!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 08:31:08
I know its the sun, but

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/14577530/gareth-barry-fa-rap-swindon-stake/
Link to same article without contributing to their coffers
https://archive.fo/3N3LA

Two interesting points in that article (assuming it's all correct):
1) The part of the intermediaries regs they are being charged under is E4 (conflict of interest). That's 2p you owe me, FH!
2) Power claims Barry paid him the money direct into his personal and business accounts, not to the club, in order to cover up his involvement. If that does turn out to be true, or if that is how Standing paid him, or both, what a fucking idiot/pair of fucking idiots.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 08:33:53
If Power's defence is that they were trying to cover it up, that's a bit of a concern.

About as good as our defence has been most of the year.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 08:42:30
It isn't. People have already been doing it.

I'm not saying there won't be a points deduction - I don't know what will happen - but it's actually rather easy to make a case for their not being a points deduction.

Perhaps I should say *credible* case. The lack of governance (at best) and intent to deceive (at worst) does not work in the clubís favour.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 09:00:32
The fact that Power is prepared to throw everyone and the club under the bus shows we are in for a rough few months.Ideally we sell the club now and the FA deal with them separately and give us a fine.

That would be nice 


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 09:08:05
There wouldn't be much point in punishing the club as Power is clearly off soon. It would be the next incumbent that will suffer, not the person who's actually responsible. Not that that would stop the FA.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: RedRag on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 09:11:59
I know nothing about corporate law and fa about FA regulations.

Does anyone more knowledgeable however think the club may have a counter claim against Power for any losses arising from Power acting in breach of his fiduciary duty to the club, in particular for acting outside of its constitution?

This would be looking many steps ahead and may be something for a future owner to consider.  I am doubtful it would have any relevance on the FAs ability to punish the club.

It may not be the white knight in shining armour but I am hopeful that we, the supporters, will be in a much better position for the existence of the Trust.



Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 09:24:31
I actually laughed when I seen this yesterday, itís just another fuck up.

In other news Adam Wainwright had apparently left the club which is a shame.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: 4D on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 09:28:00
He loaned the club £6m!   So yes the club benefitted on the pitch by being able to fund a team beyond it otherwise could have done.


The results this season suggest otherwise  :)


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 09:48:26
There wouldn't be much point in punishing the club as Power is clearly off soon. It would be the next incumbent that will suffer, not the person who's actually responsible. Not that that would stop the FA.
Indeed, the precedents aren't encouraging. A Luton fan pointed out to me last night that they were deducted 10 points when the new board came clean about underhand dealings by the old board. Punished for being honest. That was nearly 15 years ago though so maybe there has been an outbreak of common sense in the FA since (clutches desperately at straws)


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 09:53:25
I actually laughed when I seen this yesterday, itís just another fuck up.

In other news Adam Wainwright had apparently left the club which is a shame.
He has yes, left month or so ago  >:( Be no one left who gives a fuck at the club soon


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 09:54:56
I actually laughed when I seen this yesterday, itís just another fuck up.

In other news Adam Wainwright had apparently left the club which is a shame.

He left a couple of months ago - but this debarcle also shows why so many others have got out of dodge as soon as possible, Wellens/Seamus Brady (allegedly)/Ben Chorley (yesterday)/Mark Isaccs and Adam & Kay Wainwright - I am sure there are many others..  The writing has obviously been on the wall internally for quite a while


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 10:04:38
Indeed, the precedents aren't encouraging. A Luton fan pointed out to me last night that they were deducted 10 points when the new board came clean about underhand dealings by the old board. Punished for being honest. That was nearly 15 years ago though so maybe there has been an outbreak of common sense in the FA since (clutches desperately at straws)

It's probably self-preservation, but I have absolutely no expectation of the club going unpunished if anything is proven. There are a lot of precedents for clubs being punished for having bad owners, as you say.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 10:11:58
Yet, the EFL and FA sanction these bad owners to take charge of clubs.

It is interesting, though, that the club and Power have been charged separately - presumably so any punishments can be Ďtailoredí.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 10:14:57
We have a very good track record with the footballing authorities. I would, therefore, expect a very lenient punishment as normal


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 10:17:20
We have a very good track record with the footballing authorities. I would, therefore, expect a very lenient punishment as normal

Almost certainly just a polite repremand not to do it again.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 10:22:25
He left a couple of months ago - but this debarcle also shows why so many others have got out of dodge as soon as possible, Wellens/Seamus Brady (allegedly)/Ben Chorley (yesterday)/Mark Isaccs and Adam & Kay Wainwright - I am sure there are many others..  The writing has obviously been on the wall internally for quite a while
Seamus is still at the club, FWIW


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 10:24:46
It's probably self-preservation, but I have absolutely no expectation of the club going unpunished if anything is proven. There are a lot of precedents for clubs being punished for having bad owners, as you say.

I imagine its mainly stop clubs being 'sold' to avoid punishment, be interesting to see Clems thoughts on this matter, especially as Powers actions have the potential to make his £1.5m investment worth the square root of fuck all.

Still think something fairly fundamental has happened in the court proceedings for the FA to have taken action that could so obviously prejudice the case.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 10:25:26
Seamus is still at the club, FWIW

Apparently...


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 10:28:04
Yet, the EFL and FA sanction these bad owners to take charge of clubs.
I've seen Andy Holt trying to make this point on Twitter - that the EFL's poor governance is responsible for "bad owners". But the EFL isn't an external body separate from the owners, it is a members' club made up of the owners. It is the owners who vote on what regulations should govern how clubs are bought, sold and run. It is the owners who have the power to demand the employees of the EFL enforce those regulations. Strangely the owners tend to choose not to vote for them to be governed more strictly. If the owners of clubs think there is a problem with "bad owners", they only have themselves to blame and might like to ask themselves why they continually choose not to enact and enforce regulations that would prevent "bad owners". Maybe they're "bad owners" too?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 10:28:38
Apparently...
I saw him there on Monday. In full coaching kit.

EDIT: Tuesday. Damn Bank Holidays!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 10:29:51
Apparently...

This story suggests he was 'previously' here, albeit he could be doing both I suppose, albeit not very well. https://www.wlrfm.com/2021/03/03/seamus-brady-the-new-blues-first-team-coach/


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 10:31:16
This story suggests he was 'previously' here, albeit he could be doing both I suppose, albeit not very well. https://www.wlrfm.com/2021/03/03/seamus-brady-the-new-blues-first-team-coach/

Apparently, he knows nothing about that.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 10:32:23
I saw him there on Monday. In full coaching kit.

What were you doing around the club wearing full coaching kit, full kit wanker!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 10:34:06
What were you doing around the club wearing full coaching kit, full kit wanker!
:D


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 10:35:21
Apparently, he knows nothing about that.

I assume he also knows nothing about being listed on the Waterford FC website as Assistant Manager, this guy rivals Miss Rabbit for having multiple jobs. https://waterfordfc.ie/club/

I had always assumed he was an older guy....


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 10:36:27
When did Chorley go?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 10:36:58
I've seen Andy Holt trying to make this point on Twitter - that the EFL's poor governance is responsible for "bad owners". But the EFL isn't an external body separate from the owners, it is a members' club made up of the owners. It is the owners who vote on what regulations should govern how clubs are bought, sold and run. It is the owners who have the power to demand the employees of the EFL enforce those regulations. Strangely the owners tend to choose not to vote for them to be governed more strictly. If the owners of clubs think there is a problem with "bad owners", they only have themselves to blame and might like to ask themselves why they continually choose not to enact and enforce regulations that would prevent "bad owners". Maybe they're "bad owners" too?
I think iirc he was one of the few who does vote against it,like you say be nice to see them all vote accordingly


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 10:39:35
I feel today is going to be an F5 kind of day....


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 10:42:47
I saw him there on Monday. In full coaching kit.

I have no doubt he is spending his time working at the club, more of a case of whether he is still employed by Swindon Town FC.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 10:45:02
When did Chorley go?

It kind of says it in my quote :D

He left a couple of months ago - but this debarcle also shows why so many others have got out of dodge as soon as possible, Wellens/Seamus Brady (allegedly)/Ben Chorley (yesterday)/Mark Isaccs and Adam & Kay Wainwright - I am sure there are many others..  The writing has obviously been on the wall internally for quite a while

Keep up Tans..


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 10:46:04
I think iirc he was one of the few who does vote against it,like you say be nice to see them all vote accordingly
He is yes, but he bangs on about the EFL vs "bad owners" like the EFL is an external force when it's not. It's a club of the owners. If the majority of those owners don't want to clamp down on "bad owners" maybe there is a majority of bad owners?

(https://i.imgur.com/8ubGFLt.gif)


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 10:46:35
I have no doubt he is spending his time working at the club, more of a case of whether he is still employed by Swindon Town FC.
Fair point. Too subtle for me :)


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 10:50:49
I assume he also knows nothing about being listed on the Waterford FC website as Assistant Manager, this guy rivals Miss Rabbit for having multiple jobs. https://waterfordfc.ie/club/


From what I gather he knows about being listed, but nothing about actually having the job. Or, at least, that's what he says.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 11:01:14
Although obviously devious and dodgy, how is Standing/Barry giving Power a load of dosh into his own bank account which he then uses to run the club break any rules? If the money went straight into the clubs bank account, fair enough, but it didnít.

I suppose the 2 goons actually fessing up doesnít help.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 11:07:26
Although obviously devious and dodgy, how is Standing/Barry giving Power a load of dosh into his own bank account which he then uses to run the club break any rules? If the money went straight into the clubs bank account, fair enough, but it didn’t.

I suppose the 2 goons actually fessing up doesn’t help.

I think, its a case of 'if it wasn't for those pesky kids we'd have got away with it' scenario. As you say, dodgy Standing loaned/gave dodgy Power £6 million of moolah via his bank account to invest into the club with an aim to get some money back via player sale profits?

Because of the court case, this has now come out on the open and subsequently the FA investigation?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 11:12:40
It's because Standing is an agent. You cannot have agents having an interest in a club. It's as simple as that.

The semantics around the floe of money etc will be determined by the FA Panel and the court case. It's quite clear that Standing and/or Barry were involved with the funding of the club, and that's in clear breach of the FA regs.

It's a pretty open/shut case in my untrained opinion.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 11:18:12
It's because Standing is an agent. You cannot have agents having an interest in a club. It's as simple as that.

The semantics around the floe of money etc will be determined by the FA Panel and the court case. It's quite clear that Standing and/or Barry were involved with the funding of the club, and that's in clear breach of the FA regs.

It's a pretty open/shut case in my untrained opinion.

As I said before, by only charging Power and Standing the FA appear to have concluded that Powers suggestion that the cash came from Barry is bollocks, which is interesting and appears to almost predetermine the court case as that seems to be Powers almost sole defence to counter Standing.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 11:23:07
As I said before, by only charging Power and Standing the FA appear to have concluded that Powers suggestion that the cash came from Barry is bollocks, which is interesting and appears to almost predetermine the court case as that seems to be Powers almost sole defence to counter Standing.

Quite.

It feels like we're mid unravel. The only question is how much damage is caused while the unravelling is completed.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 11:47:53
I suppose the protagonists refusal to show the FA relevant bank accounts doesnít inspire confidence.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 11:50:15
Although obviously devious and dodgy, how is Standing/Barry giving Power a load of dosh into his own bank account which he then uses to run the club break any rules? If the money went straight into the clubs bank account, fair enough, but it didnít.
Because it's an obvious dodge to get round the rules and so is explicitly covered in the rules. You should probably have a read of them

https://www.thefa.com/-/media/files/thefaportal/governance-docs/agents/intermediaries/the-fa-working-with-intermediaries-regulations-2020-21.ashx


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Tails on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 11:51:18
I do think the fans need to step up now. I don't know how or what, but it feels like it's time. I hadn't been on the "Power is the devil" train (although I never liked him) but this is too much. I don't feel like the Trust asking for answers is enough any more (no knock at the Trust, they're doing what they can).

Anyone got their orange hat still?  


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 11:53:42
I suppose the protagonists refusal to show the FA relevant bank accounts doesnít inspire confidence.

Where has that come from?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 11:55:13
As I said before, by only charging Power and Standing the FA appear to have concluded that Powers suggestion that the cash came from Barry is bollocks, which is interesting and appears to almost predetermine the court case as that seems to be Powers almost sole defence to counter Standing.

They can still charge Barry at a later date, this will run a while yet.
It won't have any bearing on the court case.   FA regulations are not contract law and a judge > fa panel.

A court can also demand unrestricted access to bank accounts etc where the FA cannot.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 12:00:03
Where has that come from?
ĎBarry, 40, who won 53 caps for England, and Standing both refused to hand over financial records to FA investigators, while Power let them see heavily redacted ones.
SunSport has also seen incredible claims made in court by former Norwich striker Power, 48, during his High Court battle with Standing last May.
A meeting was claimed to have been held at Barryís house in March 2013.
Power insisted Barry knew full well he would be breaking FA rules.
The same applied to Standing, as he was a football agent, with both sure to fail the ďfit-and-proper testĒ.
So they came up with an oral deal with the idea Power ďwould sell his shares in the club in around five years after he hoped to have turned around its fortunes and would share the profits arising from any increase in the value of Swindon with Barry, in exchange for Barry providing fundsĒ.
Losses at the club would be funded 50-50 by Barry and Power and the pair would share equally any profits on player sales.í


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 12:05:25
ĎBarry, 40, who won 53 caps for England, and Standing both refused to hand over financial records to FA investigators, while Power let them see heavily redacted ones.
SunSport has also seen incredible claims made in court by former Norwich striker Power, 48, during his High Court battle with Standing last May.
A meeting was claimed to have been held at Barryís house in March 2013.
Power insisted Barry knew full well he would be breaking FA rules.
The same applied to Standing, as he was a football agent, with both sure to fail the ďfit-and-proper testĒ.
So they came up with an oral deal with the idea Power ďwould sell his shares in the club in around five years after he hoped to have turned around its fortunes and would share the profits arising from any increase in the value of Swindon with Barry, in exchange for Barry providing fundsĒ.
Losses at the club would be funded 50-50 by Barry and Power and the pair would share equally any profits on player sales.í

If thatís blatantly wrong to the point of defamation of character or slander Iím sure the currant bun will invite either party to sue them.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 12:09:10
If thatís blatantly wrong to the point of defamation of character or slander Iím sure the currant bun will invite either party to sue them.

Bar the first bit, all the rest has been in the public domain for months, the second para should actually begin 'Sunsport has read the judgement'..


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: chalkies shorts on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 12:09:33
I need to e mail Gareth Barry and Michael standing and tell them I'm a Nigerian prince. If they did send the money to Nigeria there'd be a bigger paper trail than the £6m to power.
Power being a cunt is not exactly a secret in football as Rushden and diamonds and Cambridge and the program printing mallarky had shown.
In way you've got to admire power in his ability to keep plates spinning and finding gullible idiots like Barry and standing.  


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: scillyred on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 12:13:15
You can be sure that HMRC will be sniffing around as well  :hmmm:
They don't give up !


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 12:14:24
You can be sure that HMRC will be sniffing around as well  :hmmm:
They don't give up !

Didn't they just withdraw their sponsorship?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 12:30:40
https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/14577530/gareth-barry-fa-rap-swindon-stake/

this states

"
Former midfielder Standing, who joined Aston Villa on the same day as Barry in 1997, and his company First Touch Pro Management were charged with breaching intermediaries regulation E4, relating to owning/seeking to own Swindon Town.

Power and Swindon have been charged with FA rules E1.2 and E9 (agreement to breach rules/regs) in having an agreement for Standing and First Touch to have an interest in Swindon (contrary to intermediaries reg E4)".


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Leggett on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 12:44:13
Didn't they just withdraw their sponsorship?

You're on form today, Ben :D


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 12:50:34
I know nothing about corporate law and fa about FA regulations.

Does anyone more knowledgeable however think the club may have a counter claim against Power for any losses arising from Power acting in breach of his fiduciary duty to the club, in particular for acting outside of its constitution?

In a word, no.

The director i.e. Power is responsible for the running of the company, the only person(s) who can hold directors to account are the majority shareholders, which is also Power (or Barry/Standing, depending on the court case).


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: bamboonoclue on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 12:57:00
It appears the "Hustler of Herisau" is finally getting unpicked.
The "Geezer from Geneva" is being found out.
"Lee of Lausanne" is on the ropes and no longer has anyone to hide behind.

You can guarantee the cunt will drag the club down with him, rather than swallow his pride.

Nice bloke. Cunt (not an endearing one).


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 13:16:46
I don't understand how the club could possibly be found guilty here. The club is just a vehicle used for the dodgy dealings made outside of official club business. The fact the money has been funnelled into Power's businesses and into the club, how is anyone within the club supposed to recognise the source of the funds without access to all of Power's business accounts?

Surely the club should be cleared of all wrongdoing and Standing, Barry and Power have the book thrown at them and banned...


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: bamboonoclue on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 13:28:54
I don't understand how the club could possibly be found guilty here. The club is just a vehicle used for the dodgy dealings made outside of official club business.

The way I read things (pending court case), at present Lee Power is the sole owner ergo he is "the club". Even if in reality those two things are seperate (businessman (very loose term) and business).


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 13:32:38
But if a business owner, or chief exec, or MD etc are found guilty of an offence related to their business the individuals are punished, not the business.

Think Nick Leeson.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: bamboonoclue on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 13:38:06
In simplicity possibly but you could guarantee the "Lewisham Lone Wolf" would drag the club with him.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 13:41:00
But if a business owner, or chief exec, or MD etc are found guilty of an offence related to their business the individuals are punished, not the business.

Think Nick Leeson.

Under criminal law that is generally the case although there have been changes made over the last few decades to hold companies to account for a collective failing Eg corporate manslaughter

In this case it is a breach of FA regulations it is not the same as law. 


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 14:14:56
I don't understand how the club could possibly be found guilty here. The club is just a vehicle used for the dodgy dealings made outside of official club business. The fact the money has been funnelled into Power's businesses and into the club, how is anyone within the club supposed to recognise the source of the funds without access to all of Power's business accounts?

Surely the club should be cleared of all wrongdoing and Standing, Barry and Power have the book thrown at them and banned...


Surely the club should be cleared of all wrongdoing and Standing, Barry and Power have the book thrown at them and banned...

In an ideal world yes but as we have seen before making an example of a club is the modus operandi in punishment terms. All three of the wrong Ďuns can walk away from football STFC cannot, it is football.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 14:18:10
Does anybody have any idea how long it will be before they make any decisions?  How long do these things usually take?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: 4D on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 14:21:08

Surely the club should be cleared of all wrongdoing and Standing, Barry and Power have the book thrown at them and banned...

In an ideal world yes but as we have seen before making an example of a club is the modus operandi in punishment terms. All three of the wrong Ďuns can walk away from football STFC cannot, it is football.

Are we a top flight club?  :sherlock:


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 16:56:54
Interesting comment from Nixon.

We are charged by the FA who donít award points deductions - only the EFL do that.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 16:58:28
So we can wait for a chare from the EFL, then?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 17:00:08
Not sure there's any EFL regs we're breaching.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 17:04:51
So we can wait for a chare from the EFL, then?
When we got demoted were there 2 governing bodies then or just the FA


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 17:06:01
Quote from: tans
Several ex players as clients on the first pro management website

maybe they can ban us from the fa cup for a couple of seasons. it'll make no material difference anyway


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 17:06:48
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
Quote
So we can wait for a chare from the EFL, then?
When we got demoted were there 2 governing bodies then or just the FA

2


it was the football League, who, for the avoidance of doubt, are full of shit.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 17:07:53
maybe they can ban us from the fa cup for a couple of seasons. it'll make no material difference anyway

They'd probably be doing us a favour


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 17:09:18
When we got demoted were there 2 governing bodies then or just the FA
Answering my own question. It was the Football League who demoted us, not the FA.

On that basis, Iím sleeping soundly tonight!

Oops. Back to sleepless nights

ĎLuton will start next season on an unprecedented minus 30 points after a ruling by the Football League.
The Hatters had already been deducted 10 points by the Football Association after being found guilty of misconduct for paying agents via a third party.
And the company which will take over the club has now been told it must accept a further 20-point deduction in order to be allowed in the League.
The penalty came after Luton failed to satisfy the League's insolvency rules.
The combined 30-point deduction is the biggest in Football League history, giving Luton an extraordinarily difficult task in trying to avoid relegation for the third season in a row. Bookmakers have already made them 10-1 on favourites to drop down to the Blue Square Premier.
But the club is appealing against the FA's 10-point deduction for financial irregularities in regard to its dealings with agents, with the case set to be heard next week.
The 20-point additional penalty related to the club's inability to agree a Company Voluntary Agreement (CVA) to exit administration, with the Football League pointing out that this is the third time in 10 years that Luton have been in such a position.
   
Once again a policy of honesty is not recognised at all by the footballing authorities who claim they want to clean up the game
LT2020 director Stephen Browne
The Football League board also imposed the condition that Luton Town 2020 (LT2020), the new holding company, must pay any unsecured creditors 16p in the pound and asked it to forego any right of appeal.
LT2020 director Stephen Browne said the club was still being punished for the mistakes of the previous regime in charge at Kenilworth Road.
"We have tried to do everything openly and honestly and we placed our faith in the footballing authorities," said Browne, whose consortium is still in talks with the administrator.
"Obviously the very clear message from both the FA and the Football League is that doing such a thing is a total waste of time.
"Once again the faithful supporters are left high and dry and once again a policy of honesty is not recognised at all by the footballing authorities who claim they want to clean up the game."
But Football League chairman Brian Mawhinney said the board had little option but to take a strong line with Luton.
"The board's primary responsibility is to protect the integrity of their competitions," said Mahwinney.
   
606: DEBATE
Ridiculous - we've lost 40 points in a little over six months
Marvin4England
"This often means making difficult decisions which require balancing the interests of fans, the club's creditors and the other teams in the League.
"We will continue to take that responsibility very seriously."
Browne said that the consortium, fronted by BBC presenter Nick Owen, would not give up despite the points deduction representing a serious setback.
"We will continue the fight by sticking to our principles of openness and honesty," he said.
"People who should, in theory at least, be protecting supporters will not bring us down.
"It's not a laughing matter any more, but even so we will continue to ensure that Luton have a solid and sustainable future, despite what the Football League do to us."


Title: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 17:16:51
^^^ well no audry, I'd already answered it so you should worry about missing that instead of sleeping


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 17:27:14
Apparently, it IS the EFL that deals with points deductions these days. FA are fines and bans.



Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: 7Inarow on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 17:55:08
The best outcome will be you lot get relegated this season and then start next season with a points deduction and then you get to finally be where you all belong in non League happy fucking days
COYY 😂😂😂


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 17:56:03
The best outcome will be you lot get relegated this season and then start next season with a points deduction and then you get to finally be where you all belong in non League happy fucking days
COYY 😂😂😂

What's it like down there? We've never been before.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 17:56:18
Fuck off


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: 7Inarow on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 17:58:18
What's it like down there? We've never been before.

You will fit it very well with that skip of a ground if you will still get to play there otherwise you could ground share with supermarines letís hope you donít end up
Like bury who else would we get to beat on and off the pitch
COYY


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:01:19
Fuck off

Careful Tans...

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/discrimination/hate-crime/disability-hate-crime/


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:01:33
The best outcome will be you lot get relegated this season and then start next season with a points deduction and then you get to finally be where you all belong in non League happy fucking days
COYY 😂😂😂


We would still be a bigger team than the pox even if we were non league😀
Established since 1879 not 1962👌
Forever in our shadow!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: 7Inarow on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:02:09
Fuck off

But sensitive arenít we


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:02:52
But sensitive arenít we

Probably the pounding your mum gives you.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: 4D on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:03:28
But sensitive arenít we

Bit of prick aren't we? Is your username a family sleeping arrangement?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: 7Inarow on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:04:41

We would still be a bigger
Forever in our shadow!

You wish where are you in the league oh yeah fighting to stay up
Bigger my arse 😁


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:05:34
Mind you, Power is rather insignificant compared to the piss stains Ďol Capn Bob. Stealing from pensioners to fund the cunts.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: 7Inarow on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:05:51
Bit of prick aren't we? Is your username a family sleeping arrangement?

That only thing happens in Swindon


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:06:23
But sensitive arenít we

Time of the month


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: 4D on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:06:48

That only thing happens in Swindon

And to think you are home to the English dictionary, ever read it? Or read ever it, if that helps?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:07:37
I see someone has got bored already with their clubís annual post Xmas bottling.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:08:15
And to think you are home to the English dictionary, ever read it?

That's the decent well to do folk not the rabble from blackbird leys😀


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:09:43
I wouldnít feed the animals chaps. This was to be expected. Under achieving club supporter comes to ridicule their neighbours who donít have a sugar daddy pumping in millions and millions every season for god knows how long but still cannot win promotion to the PL or win a major trophy.

But I was having fun.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:10:01
I wouldnít feed the animals chaps. This was to be expected. Under achieving club supporter comes to ridicule their neighbours who donít have a sugar daddy pumping in millions and millions every season for god knows how long but still cannot win promotion to the PL or win a major trophy.
Sugar daddy? That little Thai fella is a front for some shadowy backers. Same ones who nearly ruined Reading.

Letís hope they have more luck thus time around.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:11:37
I cannot think of anything to add to this conversation anymore other than this. I doubt the FA would be levelling charges to either protagonist or the club if they didnít think there was a case to answer or they were on solid ground in pressing the charges. In any event weíre going down to division two or starting next season with a massive points deduction in division one topped off with a huge fine.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:12:29
Fine by me if it means a Power and Sheridactyl fuck off


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:13:28
In any event weíre going down to division two or starting next season with a massive points deduction in division one topped off with a huge fine.

And you know this as a fact, do you?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:14:16
And you know this as a fact, do you?

Yes. I had a phone call from the chief honcho at the FA.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: 7Inarow on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:19:37
Sugar daddy? That little Thai fella is a front for some shadowy backers. Same ones who nearly ruined Reading.

Letís hope they have more luck thus time around.

To be fair isnít that a part of the reason your owner/owners have run out of money after bankrolling you to promotion last season shame they wasted the money really seeing as your be non league in two years thatís the only premiership your be playing in for a long time good luck with that


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:21:30
you'll, it's you'll. A contraction of 'you will'.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:21:53
To be fair isnít that a part of the reason your owner/owners have run out of money after bankrolling you to promotion last season shame they wasted the money really seeing as your be non league in two years thatís the only premiership your be playing in for a long time good luck with that

Keep reading your username as Marrow. Thought maybe the youth team had been upgraded from bananas. Very disappointing.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:23:19
Can somebody please just boot the troll? He's not even entertaining - more like thrush.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:25:05
To be fair isnít that a part of the reason your owner/owners have run out of money after bankrolling you to promotion last season shame they wasted the money really seeing as your be non league in two years thatís the only premiership your be playing in for a long time good luck with that
Well, when it happens come back and say ĎI told you soí.

Until then, go fuck yourself.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:25:41
How did he/she slip through the mods and get approved😀


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:27:33
you'll, it's you'll. A contraction of 'you will'.
Or possibly 'yule' to a piss stain inbred.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: 4D on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:32:04
Oh, she's gone.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:32:37
Bed time  :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: 4D on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 18:42:56
Yole


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: bamboonoclue on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 19:15:19
They always disappear around dinner time.

Fucking more annoying than me on a bad day. Cupid stunts!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Cowley38 on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 19:22:06
To be fair isnít that a part of the reason your owner/owners have run out of money after bankrolling you to promotion last season shame they wasted the money really seeing as your be non league in two years thatís the only premiership your be playing in for a long time good luck with that

How long were you a Non League team again?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 20:18:16
How long were you a Non League team again?

Seems a curious choice for a line of attack, doesn't it? May as well have said, 'Haha, if one of your stands falls down, you'll only have three!'


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 20:22:59
Seems a curious choice for a line of attack, doesn't it? May as well have said, 'Haha, if one of your stands falls down, you'll only have three!'

Or, "if a science fiction style temporal anomaly erased 46 years of your history since 1920 then you'd have only been in the football league for a total of 54 seasons." Or something


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, April 8, 2021, 20:23:52
Oh wait I forgot to take into account the second world war. Fuck it. It was a forced effort anyway.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, April 9, 2021, 08:08:26
Fine by me if it means a Power and Sheridactyl fuck off

Could well be the only positive that comes out of this.
Just hoping we donít find our club deep in the lower pyramid of football obscurity.
The pressure will intensify over the coming weeks for sure.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: leftside on Friday, April 9, 2021, 09:08:21
Could well be the only positive that comes out of this.
Just hoping we donít find our club deep in the lower pyramid of football obscurity.
The pressure will intensify over the coming weeks for sure.
Iím actually quite looking forward to the prospect of some kind of resolution, even if an outcome is relegation and / or points deduction. Hopefully it will usher in a new regime on and off the pitch sooner rather than later.

Itís a bit like feeling a spot brewing on your chin but having to wait a little longer before itís ready to squeeze. Thereíll be a bit of pain, the nastiness is removed and then the healing begins. Thereíll then be a period of perfect complexion (before the next pus-filled bubo starts to emerge).


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, April 9, 2021, 09:10:26
Iím actually quite looking forward to the prospect of some kind of resolution, even if an outcome is relegation and / or points deduction. Hopefully it will usher in a new regime on and off the pitch sooner rather than later.

Itís a bit like feeling a spot brewing on your chin but having to wait a little longer before itís ready to squeeze. Thereíll be a bit of pain, the nastiness is removed and then the healing begins. Thereíll then be a period of perfect complexion (before the next pus-filled bubo starts to emerge).
Be careful of what you wish for! A 10 point this season and 20 point deduction next season could be as bad as expulsion from the league. Do you think the club would come back from that?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: flammableBen on Friday, April 9, 2021, 09:18:26
Friday Statements later? I'm guessing not if they've still got a while to appeal, but it would be nice for tradition.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: flammableBen on Friday, April 9, 2021, 09:18:55
Be careful of what you wish for! A 10 point this season and 20 point deduction next season could be as bad as expulsion from the league. Do you think the club would come back from that?


And then we'd all be free!!!!!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Ardiles on Friday, April 9, 2021, 09:20:13
Could well be the only positive that comes out of this.
Just hoping we don’t find our club deep in the lower pyramid of football obscurity.
The pressure will intensify over the coming weeks for sure.

Oddly enough, this doesn't worry me.  If we were ushered out of the League and had to restart several divisions below, I think the club would weather it.  Maybe even enjoy the journey.  Away games would be well attended, and matchday rituals would carry on.

If this is the price we have to pay to move on, I'd be OK to pay it.  What I can't stand is the eternal purgatory of shifty ownership.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 9, 2021, 09:26:12
Oddly enough, this doesn't worry me.  If we were ushered out of the League and had to restart several divisions below, I think the club would weather it.  Maybe even enjoy the journey.  Away games would be well attended, and matchday rituals would carry on.

If this is the price we have to pay to move on, I'd be OK to pay it.  What I can't stand is the eternal purgatory of shifty ownership.

I'm inclined to agree with you, but then again I am a shit fan who lives muiles away and doesn't attend bar the occasional away fixture.

Would remove the hope value attached to the club which would hopefully in turn allow the fans with deep pockets that we often hear of to actually get involved at a sensible level and go from there.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, April 9, 2021, 09:30:00
Oddly enough, this doesn't worry me.  If we were ushered out of the League and had to restart several divisions below, I think the club would weather it.  Maybe even enjoy the journey.  Away games would be well attended, and matchday rituals would carry on.

If this is the price we have to pay to move on, I'd be OK to pay it.  What I can't stand is the eternal purgatory of shifty ownership.

Yep same. I'm a shit fan anyway like Horlock that picks and chooses games each season. Whatever division we are in I'll go and watch and enjoy the day out win, lose or draw. Ironically enough, I would probably watch less games the higher division we are in due to increased ticket cost/demand etc.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, April 9, 2021, 09:30:30

And then we'd all be free!!!!!
That's true!  :clap:


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, April 9, 2021, 09:32:39
Last season, in the bottom league, was lots of fun. As was the previous season we got promoted from that league.

I'm not at all for restarting lower down because I don't think it will solve anything. But that doesn't mean it can't be enjoyable. (Although it could still be shit).


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Friday, April 9, 2021, 09:44:06
I am sure the club in its defence could argue that it gained no unfair performance benefit on the pitch during the period of the  Power and Standing collaboration which apparently ended before last season's promotion.

Apart from 2014-15 play off season, which was largely based on the pre Power signings and some good loan deals, we have gone backwards and any money lent was blown keeping lower league footballers in employment they might not have achieved.

Sent from my SM-T500


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: DV Canio on Friday, April 9, 2021, 09:44:52
I think any sort of harsh division altering punishment would probably unite the fan base (which is probably the least divided itís been ever?) and possibly create a bit of Ďus vs thení mentality - which is usually a good thing in football.

Getting that knock out punch and hitting rock bottom might just get the fan base up and fighting again more so than getting continual jabs for 9 rounds. I dunno...


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: leftside on Friday, April 9, 2021, 09:48:45
Be careful of what you wish for! A 10 point this season and 20 point deduction next season could be as bad as expulsion from the league. Do you think the club would come back from that?
I donít think itís impossible. If the club survived, Iíd still watch us slug it out in Div 5. There are plenty of teams in there that weíd be reacquainted with.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, April 9, 2021, 09:51:45
I am sure the club in its defence could argue that it gained no unfair performance benefit on the pitch during the period of the  Power and Standing collaboration which apparently ended before last season's promotion.

Apart from 2014-15 play off season, which was largely based on the pre Power signings and some good loan deals, we have gone backwards and any money lent was blown keeping lower league footballers in employment they might not have achieved.


I doubt that would stand up.

Whether or not we benefited is relative. Things haven't been great, but they might have been even worse without that money.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 9, 2021, 09:57:28
I doubt that would stand up.

Whether or not we benefited is relative. Things haven't been great, but they might have been even worse without that money.

I think there is a lot of straw clutching going on, Power (who remember is basically the club) broke the rules and thus sanctions will follow, there is no precedent I can think of of the FA/FL etc saying OK it were the owners who done it, we will spare the fans, it just doesn't happen.

Likewise, whether we gained benefit or not is irrelevant, its like arguing that whilst you were found in someone's bedroom having smashed a window to enter as you ignored the telly and just nicked a watch its not really burglary.

Still think there is some sort of rat fight going on in the background otherwise I would have expected to have heard from Clem by now considering he is in many ways an innocent party who stands to lose cash here.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Costanza on Friday, April 9, 2021, 10:08:32
How dropping from League One to the National League, National League South or lower can be seen as a realistic, fair or a postive means to an end just to oust the current owner is beyond me.

A lot of the warm and fuzzy sentiment surrounding a jolly in Non-League is very much reliant on Swindon winning most games, which isn't a guarentee, and also remaining at the County Ground which again might not be a given (and even then, with 1 or 2 stands open).

I really don't think this would be as glamorous as some make out and the novelty for most would be well and truly gone by the time we get our heads around a 2-1 Boxing Day loss at Maidenhead. I know people like the booze and the day out but it really isn't worth it based on the shrug-of-the-shoulders-sacrifices being outlined by some.

Fans need to maintain focus. If Power and co are guilty then we need the Football Association to ensure that these individuals are out of game so Town can seek new ownership who are willing to pick up the pieces with the club in the EFL, where we deserve to be for 2021/22 at the very least.

We are a Football League side of 100 years and our only spell away was a year in the Premier League. Let's not wish it away because of one owner.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Tails on Friday, April 9, 2021, 10:14:53
How dropping from League One to the National League, National League South or lower can be seen as a realistic, fair or a postive means to an end just to oust the current owner is beyond me.

A lot of the warm and fuzzy sentiment surrounding a jolly in Non-League is very much reliant on Swindon winning most games, which isn't a guarentee, and also remaining at the County Ground which again might not be a given (and even then, with 1 or 2 stands open).

I really don't think this would be as glamorous as some make out and the novelty for most would be well and truly gone by the time we get our heads around a 2-1 Boxing Day loss at Maidenhead. I know people like the booze and the day out but it really isn't worth it based on the shrug-of-the-shoulders-sacrifices being outlined by some.

Fans need to maintain focus. If Power and co are guilty then we need the Football Association to ensure that these individuals are out of game so Town can seek new ownership who are willing to pick up the pieces with the club in the EFL, where we deserve to be for 2021/22 at the very least.

We are a Football League side of 100 years and our only spell away was a year in the Premier League. Let's not wish it away because of one owner.

Absolutely spot on.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Friday, April 9, 2021, 10:19:37
There is difficulty in separating the club from the owner especially if Power uses the same lawyers in our defence to save money. Ideally, you would mount a club defence that funding solely came via the owner. Unfortunately his hands on approach doesn't help compared to say an Andrew Black type owner who sat in the background handing over money.

The point around unfair advantage was used against the club in 1990 that our progress through the divisions was somehow purely based on the out of contract bunging players an extra few quid off the back of a win. Rather than a great talent spotting manager finding players good enough to play in World Cups.

Of course if the money had come from a loan shark, Wonga loans or some dodgy non football related connections then it's within the rules. But because it's within the game it's worthy of huge penalties.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 9, 2021, 10:21:38
Fans need to maintain focus. If Power and co are guilty then we need the Football Association to ensure that these individuals are out of game so Town can seek new ownership who are willing to pick up the pieces with the club in the EFL, where we deserve to be for 2021/22 at the very least.


When has the FA/FL ever applied sanctions in that way, the club broke the rules, the club will unfortunately have to pay the consequences and no manner of making out we are some sort of special case is going to change that sadly. We may be a club of 100+ years standing so were Bolton who some might argue have a much more illustrious history than us broke the rules through the actions of their owners, the club got sanctioned (and that was after new owners had taken over an option we don't even have at the moment), so were Bury, likewise with Wigan (albeit without the illustrious history).

Would I want to see us relegated, not in the slightest and it would be shit and a struggle to recover, but we need to be realistic in what we are dealing with here rather than thinking it won't happen to us. WE get found guilty the outcome is going to hurt the club and fans.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, April 9, 2021, 10:22:20
How dropping from League One to the National League, National League South or lower can be seen as a realistic, fair or a postive means to an end just to oust the current owner is beyond me.

A lot of the warm and fuzzy sentiment surrounding a jolly in Non-League is very much reliant on Swindon winning most games, which isn't a guarentee, and also remaining at the County Ground which again might not be a given (and even then, with 1 or 2 stands open).

I really don't think this would be as glamorous as some make out and the novelty for most would be well and truly gone by the time we get our heads around a 2-1 Boxing Day loss at Maidenhead. I know people like the booze and the day out but it really isn't worth it based on the shrug-of-the-shoulders-sacrifices being outlined by some.

Fans need to maintain focus. If Power and co are guilty then we need the Football Association to ensure that these individuals are out of game so Town can seek new ownership who are willing to pick up the pieces with the club in the EFL, where we deserve to be for 2021/22 at the very least.

We are a Football League side of 100 years and our only spell away was a year in the Premier League. Let's not wish it away because of one owner.

Fuck all that old bollocks, I've already got the London Reds picking out suitable pubs for Maidenhead away.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: chalkies shorts on Friday, April 9, 2021, 10:28:05
What's to stop power staying and just funding the club to the money that comes in. Unless the authorities ban him then he's still in charge. He can't be thought any less of so why not stay and try and rinse the club and others further. I can't see how it is in his interest to go unless someone gives him shit loads and a confidentiality agreement not to disclose anything they find. Who would do that at the moment. Best to wait until court cases resolved and fan pressure mounts on power.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 9, 2021, 10:29:22
It's going to be hard for theFA to prove anything if the relevant parties are refusing to disclose financial information - which I presume the FA can't force them.

I reckon the reason the club and Power have been charged individually - especially as, atm, they are one and the same - is the FA know about an impending sale and don't want Power getting off Scot free, leaving the club as the only recipient of a punishment.

Power will be banned from further involvement with football, the club  will get fined, Standing will get his Agents licence revoked.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 9, 2021, 10:32:44
As I pointed out on Twitter yesterday, the thing with national League is this:

Oxford and Rovers bounded back.

But look at the list that haven't yet:

Hartlepool, Torquay, Stockport, Notts County, Chesterfield, Wrexham, Aldershot, Yeovil, Barnet


Title: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 9, 2021, 10:34:11
Quote
What's to stop power staying and just funding the club to the money that comes in. Unless the authorities ban him then he's still in charge. He can't be thought any less of so why not stay and try and rinse the club and others further. I can't see how it is in his interest to go unless someone gives him shit loads and a confidentiality agreement not to disclose anything they find. Who would do that at the moment. Best to wait until court cases resolved and fan pressure mounts on power.
what money. he seems to have borrowed/secured most of it from Standing, Clem and, allegedly, Taylor Curran's dad, the security guy and Marty Byrd.

Doubt any will lend him any more


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 9, 2021, 10:35:34
It's going to be hard for theFA to prove anything if the relevant parties are refusing to disclose financial information - which I presume the FA can't force them.

As the FA basically sanctions all football, I would assume they will have some power to basically fuck us over if we don't co-operate?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Tails on Friday, April 9, 2021, 10:36:45
As I pointed out on Twitter yesterday, the thing with national League is this:

Oxford and Rovers bounded back.

But look at the list that haven't yet:

Hartlepool, Torquay, Stockport, Notts County, Chesterfield, Wrexham, Aldershot, Yeovil, Barnet

Several others have bounced back as well to be fair. Doncaster many years ago, Lincoln, Luton, Grimsby, Mansfield, Carlisle etc etc. I'd say we were more on that level than Torquay, Hartlepool et al with no disrespect to them.

However I do get the point. I'd rather not go down there because there's no guarantee it's an instant response at all.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, April 9, 2021, 10:38:14
I don't know what people think ending up in non-league would achieve.

We'd still have owners, who may or may not be shysters. We'd still have managers who may or may not be shite.

Some might think the former will be answered by fan ownership, but that would not eradicate the need for money and even a well-meaning ownership will not be immune to making poor decisions.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 9, 2021, 10:42:34
Quote from: Tails
Quote
As I pointed out on Twitter yesterday, the thing with national League is this:

Oxford and Rovers bounded back.

But look at the list that haven't yet:

Hartlepool, Torquay, Stockport, Notts County, Chesterfield, Wrexham, Aldershot, Yeovil, Barnet
Several others have bounced back as well to be fair. Doncaster many years ago, Lincoln, Luton, Grimsby, Mansfield, Carlisle etc etc. I'd say we were more on that level than Torquay, Hartlepool et al with no disrespect to them.

However I do get the point. I'd rather not go down there because there's no guarantee it's an instant response at all.

Fair point. I guess bouncing back would be dependant on whatever mess the current owner leaves us in financially.

in any case, we are all agreed - let's not find out!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, April 9, 2021, 10:43:02
Several others have bounced back as well to be fair. Doncaster many years ago, Lincoln, Luton, Grimsby, Mansfield, Carlisle etc etc. I'd say we were more on that level than Torquay, Hartlepool et al with no disrespect to them.

However I do get the point. I'd rather not go down there because there's no guarantee it's an instant response at all.

Exeter and Cheltenham also. Whilst I do agree with what you and RP are saying, it isn't quite as difficult to get out of the Conference these days now they have opened up the play-offs down to 8th (I think). In previous times when it was only 1/2 up, that was a slog to get out of.

That said, nobody really knows the punishment(s) we are likely to be served up, I think the non-league chat is very much glass totally empty chat that no fan wants, but may have to accept, should anything more serious than financial punishment come to pass.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 9, 2021, 10:43:46
I forgot about the crazy playoffs they've got now


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 9, 2021, 10:43:54
what money. he seems to have borrowed/secured most of it from Standing, Clem and, allegedly, Taylor Curran's dad, the security guy and Marty Byrd.

Doubt any will lend him any more

Who bloody knows, with his 'history' I am amazed that anyone lent any to him before, or in fact how people who have made lots of cash (which would suggest they are pretty shrewd) seem prepared to throw big amounts of cash about without any written agreement/contract nor security?

Different world.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: chalkies shorts on Friday, April 9, 2021, 10:45:47
what money. he seems to have borrowed/secured most of it from Standing, Clem and, allegedly, Taylor Curran's dad, the security guy and Marty Byrd.

Doubt any will lend him any more
Whatever we get from the football.lwague, ticket sales etc. Much less than now. So we have even shitter players on shorter contracts and the club slides but power stays until he gets an offer he accepts.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 9, 2021, 10:48:27
Several others have bounced back as well to be fair. Doncaster many years ago, Lincoln, Luton, Grimsby, Mansfield, Carlisle etc etc. I'd say we were more on that level than Torquay, Hartlepool et al with no disrespect to them.

However I do get the point. I'd rather not go down there because there's no guarantee it's an instant response at all.
Depends what level we start at as none of those ended up below the National League. Despite all the excitement on here if we ended up in the Southern league for example barely 1k would likely attend after a few weeks and the novelty wears off. People seem to be forgetting that the National League has stricter rules on finances than the EFL so if we got kicked out of the EFL I'd say it's extremely unlikely we would get accepted by them so we'd be looking at step 7 best case, no thanks.  


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: JBZ on Friday, April 9, 2021, 10:49:47
Who bloody knows, with his 'history' I am amazed that anyone lent any to him before, or in fact how people who have made lots of cash (which would suggest they are pretty shrewd) seem prepared to throw big amounts of cash about without any written agreement/contract nor security?

Different world.

What's £5 million to a player that has been in the PL since the age of 16/17?  It's probably seen as a bit of loose change.



Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 9, 2021, 10:56:38
Whatever we get from the football.lwague, ticket sales etc. Much less than now. So we have even shitter players on shorter contracts and the club slides but power stays until he gets an offer he accepts.

Setting aside whatever the FA decide to do, as it stands Power has an asset (the football club) that is depreciating by the hour, and the only thing that may stop that slide is us staying up. Start in Div 2 next season and its worth even less (plus unless some sort of miracle happens the crowds will be barely above 3 figures if this forum is anything to go by), add into the mix that in theory he potentially only owns 35% (still not sure why Standing and Clem have not had a cosy chat yet, perhaps they have) and I imagine HMRC are taking an interested glance in our direction.

As I see it, the only value left is the houses he has planning permission for.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, April 9, 2021, 11:01:49
Who bloody knows, with his 'history' I am amazed that anyone lent any to him before, or in fact how people who have made lots of cash (which would suggest they are pretty shrewd) seem prepared to throw big amounts of cash about without any written agreement/contract nor security?

Different world.

Gareth Barry? Shrewd?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, April 9, 2021, 11:03:42
Gareth Barry? Shrewd?
More like 'Screwed' by the sound of it.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Tails on Friday, April 9, 2021, 11:05:27
Depends what level we start at as none of those ended up below the National League. Despite all the excitement on here if we ended up in the Southern league for example barely 1k would likely attend after a few weeks and the novelty wears off. People seem to be forgetting that the National League has stricter rules on finances than the EFL so if we got kicked out of the EFL I'd say it's extremely unlikely we would get accepted by them so we'd be looking at step 7 best case, no thanks. 

so we've gone from a points deduction to getting demoted 4 divisions. Damn the FA are getting stricter by the hour


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, April 9, 2021, 11:06:36
so we've gone from a points deduction to getting demoted 4 divisions. Damn the FA are getting stricter by the hour

Why not both?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 9, 2021, 11:07:02
What's £5 million to a player that has been in the PL since the age of 16/17?  It's probably seen as a bit of loose change.


I imagine he made more than that during a single one of his 5 seasons at Man City so yeah I doubt its much an issue financially, probably a punt that he wrote off years ago.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, April 9, 2021, 11:07:43
Why not both?
Be careful what you wish for !.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 9, 2021, 11:11:01
so we've gone from a points deduction to getting demoted 4 divisions. Damn the FA are getting stricter by the hour
The point is no one knows, one thing that concerns me is that we will be seen as a precedent.

I just don't get the excitement from some about watching the club at a semi-professional level and whether it's via the FA or a financial collapse there is a significant risk of something along those lines happening now.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, April 9, 2021, 11:17:10
My gut feeling is that it'll be fines all round.

Not that's it's relevant, but I'd be gone if we were a National League South club or a Phoenix.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 9, 2021, 11:19:18
In an ideal world, Power will be fined and told he can no longer own the club and be forced to sell.

Standing will be fined and have his license revoked to be an agent.

Barry will be fine and banned from ownership of any club.

The club will be given a slap on the wrist and a defered fine and a with suspended points deduction/explusion/demotion if caught again.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, April 9, 2021, 11:20:30
My gut feeling is that it'll be fines all round.

Not that's it's relevant, but I'd be gone if we were a National League South club or a Phoenix.
Loyal Supporter !!.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, April 9, 2021, 11:21:52
In an ideal world, Power will be fined and told he can no longer own the club and be forced to sell.

Standing will be fined and have his license revoked to be an agent.

Barry will be fine and banned from ownership of any club.

The club will be given a slap on the wrist and a defered fine and a with suspended points deduction/explusion/demotion if caught again.
I think that's the best idea yet JJ.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 9, 2021, 11:22:51
What was the actual fine for West Ham when they breached third party ownership regulations on Tevez and Mascherano? £5.5m or something like that, not entirely relevant to us I guess but the fine amount says that it is seen as a pretty serious misdemeanour.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Leggett on Friday, April 9, 2021, 11:23:02
In an ideal world, Power will be fined and told he can no longer own the club and be forced to sell.

Standing will be fined and have his license revoked to be an agent.

Barry will be fine and banned from ownership of any club.

The club will be given a slap on the wrist and a defered fine and a with suspended points deduction/explusion/demotion if caught again.

Orrrrr they'll get a slap on the wrists and Town will be put over a barrel and made an example of.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Tails on Friday, April 9, 2021, 11:23:11
The point is no one knows, one thing that concerns me is that we will be seen as a precedent.

I just don't get the excitement from some about watching the club at a semi-professional level and whether it's via the FA or a financial collapse there is a significant risk of something along those lines happening now.

Think that's a bit doom mongery. From memory, Leeds got done for something similar and they got fined / Cellino got a ban (the rules have changed since then, probably thanks to Leeds). I know people think the FA have an agenda against us because of something that happened 30 years ago, but a demotion is excessive for the crime. A points deduction seems harsh but I could see it happening. I'd probably take a points deduction AND a ban for Power right now if it meant he fucked off.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 9, 2021, 11:26:18
Think that's a bit doom mongery. From memory, Leeds got done for something similar and they got fined / Cellino got a ban (the rules have changed since then, probably thanks to Leeds). I know people think the FA have an agenda against us because of something that happened 30 years ago, but a demotion is excessive for the crime. A points deduction seems harsh but I could see it happening. I'd probably take a points deduction AND a ban for Power right now if it meant he fucked off.
My ultimate concern is the financial side if I'm honest, even if we do 'only' get a fine, if Power is the owner still do we think he will actually pay it especially as it will seemingly indicate he will lose the court case in December or whenever it is. Then what....


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, April 9, 2021, 11:30:33
Loyal Supporter !!.

I'm certainly not going get involved in fan wars with you - we all have our own motivations for going to football, and mine would be eroded at that level.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, April 9, 2021, 11:35:27
I can't see anything but the club being forced to dissolve PLUS a point deduction (even though we no longer exist). And we will never be allowed to form again, not even in non-league, ever. Oxford and the Bristols also get points ADDED ON just to punish us further.

FACT!!!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, April 9, 2021, 11:40:09
I can't see anything but the club being forced to dissolve PLUS a point deduction (even though we no longer exist). And we will never be allowed to form again, not even in non-league, ever. Oxford and the Bristols also get points ADDED ON just to punish us further.

FACT!!!

BUT IT'LL BE FUN


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, April 9, 2021, 11:44:06
I'm certainly not going get involved in fan wars with you - we all have our own motivations for going to football, and mine would be eroded at that level.

Taking aside the current punishment looming, would you really stop going/supporting the club if it got relegated to say Conference South due to consistent ineptitude etc? And then you'd come back again if the club started to rise up the league again, or would that be it completely?

And this is not meant as a dig, or a moan or whatever as fans can do what they like, but just curious as to the thinking that's all.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, April 9, 2021, 11:44:34
It's the same as anything this though, some people will enjoy it more for some reason. Some people hate the thought of playing in the premier league it's just down to what each fan feels and enjoys as a fan. There is no actual right or wrong answer i suppose


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 9, 2021, 11:47:09
Taking aside the current punishment looming, would you really stop going/supporting the club if it got relegated to say Conference South due to consistent ineptitude etc? And then you'd come back again if the club started to rise up the league again, or would that be it completely?
I don't care whatever division we end up in I will always follow and support the club, its not about success or the level we play at but about the club, the town and the fraternity.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, April 9, 2021, 11:48:42
Taking aside the current punishment looming, would you really stop going/supporting the club if it got relegated to say Conference South due to consistent ineptitude etc? And then you'd come back again if the club started to rise up the league again, or would that be it completely?

And this is not meant as a dig, or a moan or whatever as fans can do what they like, but just curious as to the thinking that's all.

Honestly, I'd defo be out if it were a phoenix. If we ended up in NLS purely through ineptitude, I don't think I'd be interested in semi-pro football and the costs associated with travelling 150 miles to watch us v Chippenham or Bath or Slough.

I think it'd break the habit, and who knows if that'd recover if we recovered our league position. Let's hope we never find out.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 9, 2021, 11:50:55
For me personally I don't think I would bother, I want to see a reasonable standard of football. Watching football at a level that isn't that far off what I've played at doesn't have any attraction to be honest and wouldn't get me travelling to Swindon to watch.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 9, 2021, 11:51:36
Sod getting a season ticket in non League.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 9, 2021, 11:55:21
Blimey, lots of people getting carried away this morning with the doomsday scenarios. I'm not sure that the FA even have the power to demote/deduct points, I think those sanctions are only available to the PL/EFL as the FA doing it would be an infringement on the jurisdictions and integrity of the leagues. I can't find any precedent for the *FA* ordering a points deduction or demotion. AFAIK, the FA only have the power to fine, suspend or ban individuals or organisations. Of course that doesn't preclude the possibility that if the FA find the club guilty of a charge then the EFL could take further action on the basis of that charge but I'm not sure they can do that (double jeopardy and all that) and anyway that's pure speculation. At the moment we are facing an FA charge and so would be subject to FA sanctions. It's really important to remember what the various governing bodies are and what they have jurisdiction over before everyone reaches for the nuclear scenario.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 9, 2021, 11:57:26
If we started in the South West leagues I would be able to get to far more matches in person :) selfish to the last me.

For me without Swindon there is no football, I am not interested in any other club and haven't even bothered watching the overpaid prima donnas of the England team lately.

One club man.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, April 9, 2021, 12:02:01
Blimey, lots of people getting carried away this morning with the doomsday scenarios. I'm not sure that the FA even have the power to demote/deduct points, I think those sanctions are only available to the PL/EFL as the FA doing it would be an infringement on the jurisdictions and integrity of the leagues. I can't find any precedent for the *FA* ordering a points deduction or demotion. AFAIK, the FA only have the power to fine, suspend or ban individuals or organisations. Of course that doesn't preclude the possibility that if the FA find the club guilty of a charge then the EFL could take further action on the basis of that charge but I'm not sure they can do that (double jeopardy and all that) and anyway that's pure speculation. At the moment we are facing an FA charge and so would be subject to FA sanctions. It's really important to remember what the various governing bodies are and what they have jurisdiction over before everyone reaches for the nuclear scenario.

I'm not sure that many people on here ACTUALLY expect us to get thrown out of the league, or deducted 30 points next season or whatever in reality. The Swindon in the Southern leagues etc often is brought up and discussed and I think it's probably been triggered by the news this week.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 9, 2021, 12:04:07
Blimey, lots of people getting carried away this morning with the doomsday scenarios.
Not really mate, its more of a What if "worst case scenario", everybody gets something different from football and supporting us, many many factors are involved.

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I'm not sure that the FA even have the power to demote/deduct points, I think those sanctions are only available to the PL/EFL as the FA doing it would be an infringement on the jurisdictions and integrity of the leagues.

I thought the EFL had to abide by what the FA say, so if they suggest a points deduction or demotion then the EFL will have to stand by that decision?

Not like we haven't been demoted for financial irregularities before, the only club to have been demoted for this, thats why some fans can only see the negative side of things with all things FA/EFL related.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, April 9, 2021, 12:04:22
Honestly, I'd defo be out if it were a phoenix. If we ended up in NLS purely through ineptitude, I don't think I'd be interested in semi-pro football and the costs associated with travelling 150 miles to watch us v Chippenham or Bath or Slough.

I think it'd break the habit, and who knows if that'd recover if we recovered our league position. Let's hope we never find out.

All completely fair and valid points and with you completely on the last statement. I wonder if we'd create new and intense rivalries with Bath City etc whilst down there. You can imagine some of our more 'tasty' fans might enjoy the opportunities to act like dickheads in new and exciting towns and cities.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, April 9, 2021, 12:06:38
For me personally I don't think I would bother, I want to see a reasonable standard of football. Watching football at a level that isn't that far off what I've played at doesn't have any attraction to be honest and wouldn't get me travelling to Swindon to watch.

It could be argued that in the last 10 years or so we haven't exactly played a lot of what could be classed as 'reasonable standard' of football. But again, I completely get and respect your point.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: JBZ on Friday, April 9, 2021, 12:15:45
I suppose I should put down a deposit on a Yeovil town season ticket.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 9, 2021, 12:19:43
Not like we haven't been demoted for financial irregularities before, the only club to have been demoted for this, thats why some fans can only see the negative side of things with all things FA/EFL related.
Yes, by the Football League. Not the FA. A lot of people don't seem to be able to differentiate between the two, and the fact they have two different disciplinary/regulatory systems.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 9, 2021, 12:20:41
It could be argued that in the last 10 years or so we haven't exactly played a lot of what could be classed as 'reasonable standard' of football. But again, I completely get and respect your point.
You don't realise the gulf until you witness it, the other year I played for a Vets (over 35) team with a lot of players having spent a good number of seasons at Southern League/Hellenic level. We played a team with Julian Joachim, Lee Hendrie and Lee Carsley in it and even in their 40's they were at a different level.  


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 9, 2021, 12:23:36
The FA canít direct the EFL to carry out a punishment on their behalf.

Itíll be a combo of bans and fines.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, April 9, 2021, 12:24:26
You don't realise the gulf until you witness it, the other year I played for a Vets (over 35) team with a lot of players having spent a good number of seasons at Southern League/Hellenic level. We played a team with Julian Joachim, Lee Hendrie and Lee Carsley in it and even in their 40's they were at a different level. 

to be fair, they did play most of their careers at the very top level. It would be interesting if you replaced those 3 players you mentioned with ex-pros who spent most of their careers at Lg1 and 2 and see if there was such a big gap. I daresay there would be a gap of course, but probably not as much of a chasm as having those guys.

Given our performances against non-league teams in the FA Cup, I dread to think how we would get on playing those kind of teams permanently! :)


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, April 9, 2021, 12:25:37
I am not sure people actually expect us to be demoted it's just a discussion on a forum about peoples thoughts on if in the highly unlikely event it happened


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, April 9, 2021, 12:25:55
As has been mentioned numerous times, the FA don't do points deductions - the EFL does.

So, does anybody know if we've broken any EFL rules?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 9, 2021, 12:29:28
As has been mentioned numerous times, the FA don't do points deductions - the EFL does.

So, does anybody know if we've broken any EFL rules?
I'd say we are in breach of some of these (specifically section 105):

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/sections-10--11---association-and-dual-interests-and-additional-provisions/


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, April 9, 2021, 12:30:42
As has been mentioned numerous times, the FA don't do points deductions - the EFL does.

So, does anybody know if we've broken any EFL rules?
Doesn't seem like anyone knows yet


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: DV Canio on Friday, April 9, 2021, 12:31:10
Iíd actually be more likely to start going again, if we went into non league and / or as a Phoenix club.

The current STFC has done me dirty so many times over the years. To be point that I felt like support STFC was a horrendous addiction and ruining my mood constantly.

The current state as a completely irrelevant L1-L2 club is boring as fuck to me. Iíd rather watch us play Maidenhead than Oldham or Colchester or Shrewsbury or Carlisle or Accrington or Plymouth.
Teams weíve played god knows how many times in the last 20 years.

Iíd rather we were the dog bollocks (no guarantee that would be the case obviously) in a lower division than just making up the numbers in a higher division.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 9, 2021, 12:36:44
I'd say we are in breach of some of these (specifically section 105):

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/sections-10--11---association-and-dual-interests-and-additional-provisions/
But is it likely to get butt fucked by BOTH governing bodies for the same offence(s)? Guessing the 2 have discussed it between them and the FA got the gig.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 9, 2021, 12:37:05
I'd say we are in breach of some of these:

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/sections-10--11---association-and-dual-interests-and-additional-provisions/
That's about owning stake in more than one club in the EFL, not about agents. However, all leagues regulated by the FA are obliged to incorporate or at least allow for FA regulations in their own rules, so there may well be EFL rules around this. As I said, it's probably open to the League to put us on a charge as well if the FA find their charge proven and that may then allow for points deductions BUT I don't know if there is such a rule and/or if they can effectively punish us twice for the same offence. At the moment we are facing an FA charge and people are massively overreacting. Understandably perhaps, but really some of the stuff on here this morning is well over the top.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 9, 2021, 12:38:41
Whatever the outcome, I wonder if it will impact his ownership of Waterford.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 9, 2021, 12:41:02
thought it was quite an interesting discussion about how far people will go to remove power.

I think most people know - they don't know whether it'll be a slap on the wrists fine, or lead to something more severe


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 9, 2021, 12:41:26
That's about owning stake in more than one club in the EFL, not about agents. However, all leagues regulated by the FA are obliged to incorporate or at least allow for FA regulations in their own rules, so there may well be EFL rules around this. As I said, it's probably open to the League to put us on a charge as well if the FA find their charge proven and that may then allow for points deductions BUT I don't know if there is such a rule and/or if they can effectively punish us twice for the same offence. At the moment we are facing an FA charge and people are massively overreacting. Understandably perhaps, but really some of the stuff on here this morning is well over the top.
I'm not so sure, it states 'interests in more than one football club'. Standing being an agent surely means he has interests in more than one club by definition.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, April 9, 2021, 12:42:58
Yes, by the Football League. Not the FA. A lot of people don't seem to be able to differentiate between the two, and the fact they have two different disciplinary/regulatory systems.
It does still amaze me that there are so many governing bodies in football. Not all sing from the same hymn sheet or even worship the same God, as it were.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 9, 2021, 12:49:03
I'm not so sure, it states 'interests in more than one football club'. Standing being an agent surely means he has interests in more than one club by definition.
No it doesn't. What is meant by "interests in more than one football club" is defined within that same section, albeit laboriously. It means someone with a financial and/or executive interest, not just interested generally. Otherwise companies wouldn't be able to work for more than one club.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 9, 2021, 12:52:38
No it doesn't. What is meant by "interests in more than one football club" is defined within that same section, albeit laboriously. It means someone with a financial and/or executive interest, not just interested generally. Otherwise companies wouldn't be able to work for more than one club.
Difference being here that Standing had a direct interest over the financial decision making at one of the clubs he has an interest in. Ultimately who knows, I'm sure there will be a general bringing the EFL into disrepute charge that can be thrown at the club.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 9, 2021, 12:55:54
Difference being here that Standing had a direct interest over the financial decision making at one of the clubs he has an interest in.
Yes, but he didn't have interests in more than one football club. You're looking at the wrong regulations. It's the Owners and Directors Test that prohibits agents from having a beneficial/controlling interest in a club. So theoretically we might be open to a charge under those regulations. BUT
a) We're not at the moment, we're facing an FA charge
b) As I understand it, double jeopardy rules would prohibit the EFL from charging us with an offence the FA had already dealt with. There would need to be a breach of the EFL rules that hadn't been dealt with by the FA charge


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Power to people on Friday, April 9, 2021, 13:21:13
I'm sure the case will dragon for a while, we have until 22 April to respond, not sure they can deny the charges, then there will have to be a date agreed for the hearing, legal's will argue it out so will probably be a 2-3 day hearing, then we will have to wait for the punishment, then once that is announced there will be the right of appeal, then will have to convene and meet to over everything again, then again waiting for the outcome, so you would guess everything will not be fully known until at least July/August.

During that time we need to appoint a new manager, let him appoint his backroom team, who needs to be given a budget and needs to assess his squad and start arranging a pre-season and speaking to players to sign.

Will Power have any interest with the charges hanging over him in wanting to get the football side of things working properly and quickly or will be just give the job to the dinosaur for ease.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 9, 2021, 13:45:31
thought it was quite an interesting discussion about how far people will go to remove power.


I am seriously considering sending him a strongly worded letter!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 9, 2021, 13:50:19
It does still amaze me that there are so many governing bodies in football. Not all sing from the same hymn sheet or even worship the same God, as it were.

It doesn't surprise me, regulation is big business with a lot of noses in the trough, it does surprise me however that there is the possibility that if the FA find us guilty of something the FL will apparently just say 'well lads the FA have dealt with it so crack on, I can just imagine the teams who finished below us in the league last season will let that lie. The idea that double jeopardy no longer applies for murder (I was at school with the first lad who got done under that law change) but still applies in football does amaze me though.

Most sports regulation is to act as a deterrent, if we get a slap on the bum its going to deter no one from doing the same so I am not that hopeful.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: flammableBen on Friday, April 9, 2021, 13:50:37
Sounds like half of you might as well fuck off and support Supermarine. Fucking weirdos.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, April 9, 2021, 13:58:01

Most sports regulation is to act as a deterrent, if we get a slap on the bum its going to deter no one from doing the same

... unless Power et al get a hefty fine/ban/whatever.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: leftside on Friday, April 9, 2021, 14:49:14
Yes, by the Football League. Not the FA. A lot of people don't seem to be able to differentiate between the two, and the fact they have two different disciplinary/regulatory systems.
Yes, but an FA fine could lead to administration and then a points deduction. Doomsday scenario maybe, but it is a scenario that could see the club in non-league in little over a year - relegation due to being shit this season and relegation next season due to not being good enough to overhaul a points deduction. Iím naturally pessimistic so thatís my direction of travel.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Maidenhead Red on Friday, April 9, 2021, 14:59:31
Fuck all that old bollocks, I've already got the London Reds picking out suitable pubs for Maidenhead away.

Not many pubs to choose from. However Maidenhead away would be so convenient. Itíd also guarantee the attendance of one Timothy Mallet. Self proclaimed Maidenhead ďsuper fanĒ. So a target for some colourful chants at least


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 9, 2021, 15:16:21
Yes, but an FA fine could lead to administration and then a points deduction. Doomsday scenario maybe, but it is a scenario that could see the club in non-league in little over a year - relegation due to being shit this season and relegation next season due to not being good enough to overhaul a points deduction. Iím naturally pessimistic so thatís my direction of travel.
Why would a fine lead to administration? Do you think weíd get fined millions or something?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 9, 2021, 15:32:32
Yes, but an FA fine could lead to administration and then a points deduction.
It would have to be one hell of a fine.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 9, 2021, 15:33:08
Why would a fine lead to administration? Do you think weíd get fined millions or something?
Legitimate concern to be fair as do you think considering the current ownership debate do you actually think Power would pay any fine?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 9, 2021, 15:34:35
Legitimate concern to be fair as do you think considering the current ownership debate do you actually think Power would pay any fine?
That still wouldn't lead to administration.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 9, 2021, 15:38:00
That still wouldn't lead to administration.
Not paying bills or not having/wanting to pay for things ultimately leads to admin. I don't think it inappropriate to have massive concerns over status of the club as a going concern over the coming months and this combined with any financial punishment could be the straw that breaks the camels back.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 9, 2021, 15:44:04
Not paying bills or not having/wanting to pay for things ultimately leads to admin. I don't think it inappropriate to have massive concerns over status of the club as a going concern over the coming months and this combined with any financial punishment could be the straw that breaks the camels back.
I completely agree that it's right to be concerned about the state of the club, it's clearly a mess and there are some very real threats on the horizon. So there's no need to either exaggerate the scale of those threats or make up non-existent ones, the shit we're in is bad enough


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: bamboonoclue on Friday, April 9, 2021, 15:46:16
I think once the dust settles on all this, Town will "Do a Leicester" via the contacts in Clem's Filofax and we'll see Town lift the Premier League title in 10yrs.

This will be the axis for Town, along with a shiny redeveloped ground (including integrated water park) to boot. There will be no more shifty powers held over the Town.

 :pint:


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Power to people on Friday, April 9, 2021, 15:49:36
At least after this Clem will probably be able to reduce his offer for the club

Although nothing would stop Power & Standing selling their remaining 84.9999% share to someone else should they kiss and make up.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 9, 2021, 15:51:02
I completely agree that it's right to be concerned about the state of the club, it's clearly a mess and there are some very real threats on the horizon. So there's no need to either exaggerate the scale of those threats or make up non-existent ones, the shit we're in is bad enough
What's made up or non-existent? Experience says when a business that is operating hand to mouth (I think we all agree that is the case here) encounters any unexpected expenditure (of which a fine would be as it's not going to be budgeted for) it doesn't often end well. I don't think fearing that a fine given to the club could lead to admin is that far fetched unfortunately!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Tails on Friday, April 9, 2021, 15:53:29
There's no doubt in my mind that Power will use any potential fine as a reason to have to do something annoying... Selling a player, not offering decent money for potential new players. Admin, no idea. He's already threatened it so I can imagine he will threaten it again as a bluff (at the very least).


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 9, 2021, 15:56:22
The chances are Power will have sold up in the not too distant. I presume Clem, or whoever, will amend (lower) any offer to take account of the shit state he has left the club in.

And that offer is going to go lower and lower the longer the fat cockney cunt hangs around.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: chalkies shorts on Friday, April 9, 2021, 16:18:03
The chances are Power will have sold up in the not too distant. I presume Clem, or whoever, will amend (lower) any offer to take account of the shit state he has left the club in.

And that offer is going to go lower and lower the longer the fat cockney cunt hangs around.
I'd be amazed if any potential buyer had a clue what the state of the club is even after due diligence.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 9, 2021, 16:18:59
There's no doubt in my mind that Power will use any potential fine as a reason to have to do something annoying... Selling a player, not offering decent money for potential new players. Admin, no idea. He's already threatened it so I can imagine he will threaten it again as a bluff (at the very least).
tbf that's certainly a realistic scenario, just don't see any fine actually forcing us into admin unless it's astronomical. Someone choosing to use it as cover, however, that's more than credible


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: leftside on Friday, April 9, 2021, 16:39:06
tbf that's certainly a realistic scenario, just don't see any fine actually forcing us into admin unless it's astronomical. Someone choosing to use it as cover, however, that's more than credible
Like I said, Iím naturally pessimistic so Iím considering a worst-case scenario. While Iíve no idea whether Powerís comments about the club being on the brink of admin was total bollocks, almost bollocks or not at all bollocks, heís hardly a business success story and so I wouldnít be surprised at all if a further financial hit (astronomical is relative) would be enough for him to declare admin and jump into a self-serving life boat.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: flammableBen on Friday, April 9, 2021, 16:41:40
It's a weird one, on one hand things never seem to go that great for us. On the other hand after all the fucking chaos over the years the clubs still trucking along. History says we'll be fine.



Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 9, 2021, 16:44:05
Like I said, Iím naturally pessimistic so Iím considering a worst-case scenario. While Iíve no idea whether Powerís comments about the club being on the brink of admin was total bollocks, almost bollocks or not at all bollocks, heís hardly a business success story and so I wouldnít be surprised at all if a further financial hit (astronomical is relative) would be enough for him to declare admin and jump into a self-serving life boat.
Yep, fair point.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Friday, April 9, 2021, 16:57:19
Give it a week or so and the club will probably announce season ticket prices so Power will still get one more payday


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 9, 2021, 17:29:44
Like I said, Iím naturally pessimistic so Iím considering a worst-case scenario. While Iíve no idea whether Powerís comments about the club being on the brink of admin was total bollocks, almost bollocks or not at all bollocks, heís hardly a business success story and so I wouldnít be surprised at all if a further financial hit (astronomical is relative) would be enough for him to declare admin and jump into a self-serving life boat.
Thereís still an injunction pending that prevents him from putting the club in admin.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, April 9, 2021, 20:13:50
Give it a week or so and the club will probably announce season ticket prices so Power will still get one more payday

I think this time people at least will hold back the money.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, April 9, 2021, 20:16:38
Thereís still an injunction pending that prevents him from putting the club in admin.

Itís wonít be long term.
Not sure of the legality to a ďco-ownerĒ having a 15% stake in the club and whether that prevents the club from going into admin.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: JBZ on Friday, April 9, 2021, 20:19:14
Itís not long term.

Any interim injunction will usually continue until settlement or trial.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, April 9, 2021, 20:43:13
Any interim injunction will usually continue until settlement or trial.

You need to change the avatar to Farewell to the Kings :)
We live in hope.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: JBZ on Friday, April 9, 2021, 20:43:48
You need to change the avatar to Farewell to the Kings :)
We live in hope.

One day my friend


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 9, 2021, 23:21:27
Hmm, it would seem there is precedent for the FA deducting points: when Spurs were found guilty of financial irregularities in 1994, they were outraged to be docked 12 points, apparently by the FA; and more recently 10 of the 30 points Luton were docked at the start of the 2008-09 season were an FA sanction. I had previously thought they were all FL deductions. I can't find a more recent instance of the FA docking points than the Luton case though. Happy to be corrected if others can.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/l/luton_town/7500435.stm


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 9, 2021, 23:32:32
And having had the relevant section of the FA handbook pointed out to me, the power still exists for an FA Regulatory Commission to impose a punishment including

"any order which may be made under the rules and regulations of a Competition in which the Participant Charged  participates  or  is  associated,  which  shall  be  deemed  to  include  the  deduction  of  points  and  removal from a Competition at any stage of any playing season;"

Apologies for getting this wrong. Although it would appear the power hasn't been used since 2008, again, happy to be corrected if others can find a more recent instance.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: DV Canio on Friday, April 9, 2021, 23:34:54
tbf that's certainly a realistic scenario, just don't see any fine actually forcing us into admin unless it's astronomical. Someone choosing to use it as cover, however, that's more than credible

All relative to the magnitude of said hypothetical fine, surely?

Unless Iím missing something. Someone has to pay the fine and get the money from somewhere and I canít imagine the club exactly has much, if any cash in reserve.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Friday, April 9, 2021, 23:37:37
All relative to the magnitude of said hypothetical fine, surely?
Well yes, which is why I said (in the bit you quoted)
tbf that's certainly a realistic scenario, just don't see any fine actually forcing us into admin unless it's astronomical. Someone choosing to use it as cover, however, that's more than credible


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Saturday, April 10, 2021, 00:00:59
The other thing to consider is how odd this affect any potential takeover? The prospect for new owners to pay any fine as well as a points deduction are not great selling points.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, April 10, 2021, 00:03:21
The other thing to consider is how odd this affect any potential takeover? The prospect for new owners to pay any fine as well as a points deduction are not great selling points.

I'm confident that people waiting in the wings have been well aware of these shenanigans for some time.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: bamboonoclue on Saturday, April 10, 2021, 01:59:04

Apologies for getting this wrong. Although it would appear the power hasn't been used since 2008, again, happy to be corrected if others can find a more recent instance.

I really don't think you need to apologise (although it is admirable). What's more important is that you continued digging to find out the root of your own initial query. In turn that has probably made things much easier for others to understand and see where/if any wrongdoing would be subject to a points deduction. Even if that is at the expense of a faux pas for yourself :)


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, April 10, 2021, 04:15:36
Luton were the last club to be docked points by the FA. Since then, though, they have only applied bans and/or fines.

There was a huge row about the FA giving Luton the 10 points deduction which may have been the tipping point of why they, seemingly, no longer dish them out.

Lutonís FA charge was about paying unlicensed football agents. That, along with FL points deduction for exiting admin without a CVA in place, had them start life in L2 on -25 points.

ĎThe points system
There is a growing recognition in football that league tables are becoming too determined by complicated financial events off the field resulting in clubs being docked points. Leeds United agreed to a 15-point deduction last season for failing to agree a CVA, but the Revenue and Customs' refusal to approve CVA settlements where "football creditors" are paid in full is making it extremely difficult for any administrator to get a CVA through. Next season, while Luton Town will begin bottom of League Two on minus 25 points if their appeal is unsuccessful, Bournemouth are likely to be on minus 15, and Rotherham, too, on minus 15 if their proposed CVA fails. While most Football League clubs firmly believe there should be strong sanctions for clubs that over-pay players then collapse into insolvency, there is some pressure on the league to review its policy that points should automatically be deducted.í


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: DV Canio on Saturday, April 10, 2021, 08:17:32
Rotherham, Bournemouth, Leeds & Luton

All teams comfortably above us...


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Saturday, April 10, 2021, 09:22:55
Looks like The Athletic are going to be doing a piece on the situation. As with their Oldham Athletic article/expose earlier this year, they go in to great depth and get a lot of interesting stories from behind the scenes.


Title: Re: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Saturday, April 10, 2021, 11:06:53
The other thing to consider is how odd this affect any potential takeover? The prospect for new owners to pay any fine as well as a points deduction are not great selling points.
If a fine wasn't paid directly paid by the club it would just be deducted from the distribution monies from the TV deal.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, April 10, 2021, 11:28:18
Rotherham, Bournemouth, Leeds & Luton

All teams comfortably above us...

Maybe they are but they have a longer way to fall and therefore more to loose. I doubt very much that theyíre looking at us and thinking the opposite.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: DV Canio on Saturday, April 10, 2021, 14:21:39
Maybe they are but they have a longer way to fall and therefore more to loose. I doubt very much that theyíre looking at us and thinking the opposite.

Eh?

They all did their failing and bounced back years ago...


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, April 10, 2021, 14:47:01
Eh?

They all did their failing and bounced back years ago...

Oh I see, my bad I thought that was going on now 😳 ah well, I did think why have I not heard anything about this nationally 🤣🤣


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, April 10, 2021, 17:54:39
I think in respect of the EFL- if they did impose points deductions then legally we would have a strong case.

The alleged 800k investment for 50% of the club took place in 2013 when Power took over.

Obviously the EFL did not do their homework on 2 counts:

1) source of the funding for the takeover
2) fit and proper persons test

I think legally we would have a strong case to challenge any sanctions the EFL impose- am sure the trust are onto this


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 10, 2021, 18:26:54
I thought Power took ages to pass the fit and proper test didnt he?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, April 10, 2021, 18:30:27
I think in respect of the EFL- if they did impose points deductions then legally we would have a strong case.

The alleged 800k investment for 50% of the club took place in 2013 when Power took over.

Obviously the EFL did not do their homework on 2 counts:

1) source of the funding for the takeover
2) fit and proper persons test

I think legally we would have a strong case to challenge any sanctions the EFL impose- am sure the trust are onto this

Strong statements - I infer that you are sports lawyer


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, April 10, 2021, 18:36:25
I think in respect of the EFL- if they did impose points deductions then legally we would have a strong case.

The alleged 800k investment for 50% of the club took place in 2013 when Power took over.

Obviously the EFL did not do their homework on 2 counts:

1) source of the funding for the takeover
2) fit and proper persons test

I think legally we would have a strong case to challenge any sanctions the EFL impose- am sure the trust are onto this

Maybe Power used dodgy accountants to conceal the money from the EFL


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, April 10, 2021, 19:21:03
Maybe Power used dodgy accountants to conceal the money from the EFL
Power,  Dodgy  ??,    Never !!.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Saturday, April 10, 2021, 19:23:00
Power,  Dodgy  ??,    Never !!.

Poor bloke takes some stick😀


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Cowley38 on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 13:34:22
Get ready for more Power dodgy dealings to come out of the woodwork this week!!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 13:39:40
Are you in the know😳


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 13:42:31
Weirdly it's what we need to happen now. The more shit that comes out the harder it is to stay


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: tans on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 13:42:47
Get ready for more Power dodgy dealings to come out of the woodwork this week!!

Let me guess.

Gambling on matches? Or anything of that ilk?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Cowley38 on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 13:53:22
Let me guess.

Gambling on matches? Or anything of that ilk?

Not Gambling, but some seriously dodgy shit!!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 13:57:08
It's no wonder Wellens walked away if he had an incline of what power was about


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 13:58:18
I thought Power took ages to pass the fit and proper test didnt he?

If that was the case we can now see why.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 14:06:52
Get ready for more Power dodgy dealings to come out of the woodwork this week!!

Let us all assume that your comment holds water and turns out to be correct. So while it is obvious you are not going to say exactly what these new alleged revelations are let me pose something for you consider to answering without revealing too much.

Tax avoidance is legal, tax evasion is illegal. Now Iím not suggesting weíre talking tax pre se merely trying to gauge the severity of your snippet.

Therefore, legal, very questionable and dodgy as fuck, illegal in footballing terms or in a court of law should it get there fucking really illegal?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 14:23:22
Not Gambling, but some seriously dodgy shit!!
For fucks sake why come on here winding people up,  if you've got something to tell us then tell us, if you're just going to come on here spouting shite and really knowing fuck all - like any one of us could do then just Fuck Off.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 14:25:01
For fucks sake why come on here winding people up,  if you've got something to tell us then tell us, if you're just going to come on here spouting shite and really knowing fuck all - like any one of us could do then just Fuck Off.

 :clap: :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 14:30:56
Weirdly it's what we need to happen now. The more shit that comes out the harder it is to stay
100% this.

And there really is a lot to come out I am sure, allegedy.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Cowley38 on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 14:31:19
For fucks sake why come on here winding people up,  if you've got something to tell us then tell us, if you're just going to come on here spouting shite and really knowing fuck all - like any one of us could do then just Fuck Off.

If you don't want to believe it .....don't

Don't throw your toys out the pram like a 2 year old and get all abusive....

 :bye:


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 14:34:54
As we're all suffering fans together can you not gives an insight into the allegations as per LL post above?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 14:38:00
Just press the ignore button surely it's easier than getting angry


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 14:39:20
Don't get angry at posters or individuals, get angry with those that are the root of the problem at the club.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 14:40:05
^^^ both the above 2


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: michael on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 14:48:50
I wonder what Jeremy Newton would make of all this


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 14:50:21
If you don't want to believe it .....don't

Don't throw your toys out the pram like a 2 year old and get all abusive....

 :bye:

With the postings you make and a user name ' Cowley', Now where's that ?, I wonder if you are part of a piss stains wind up group.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 14:51:37
As we're all suffering fans together can you not gives an insight into the allegations as per LL post above?

And then if something doesn't come out next week he will have the usual suspects rubbing his nose in it every post he makes because something he dared to mention didn't come true - see it all the time and it is boring.  You are damned if you do and damned if you don't on here. 

As JJ says, get angry with the club not those that know but are not willing to get shot down if it doesn't come out/true.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: DV Canio on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 14:52:08
For fucks sake why come on here winding people up,  if you've got something to tell us then tell us, if you're just going to come on here spouting shite and really knowing fuck all - like any one of us could do then just Fuck Off.

I know something you donít know nah nah nahnah nah

I canít tell you what is is though.
When something (anything) comes out I can say ĎI told you soí even though I didnít.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Cowley38 on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 14:53:35
And then if something doesn't come out next week he will have the usual suspects rubbing his nose in it every post he makes because something he dared to mention didn't come true - see it all the time and it is boring.  You are damned if you do and damned if you don't on here. 

As JJ says, get angry with the club not those that know but are not willing to get shot down if it doesn't come out/true.

 :clap:


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 14:54:10
I know something you donít know nah nah nahnah nah

I canít tell you what is is though.
When something (anything) comes out I can say ĎI told you soí even though I didnít.
Correct.😃😃


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: DV Canio on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 14:54:23
And then if something doesn't come out next week he will have the usual suspects rubbing his nose in it every post he makes because something he dared to mention didn't come true - see it all the time and it is boring.  You are damned if you do and damned if you don't on here. 

As JJ says, get angry with the club not those that know but are not willing to get shot down if it doesn't come out/true.

No, itís pretty simple.
If youíve heard something just outright say it & donít present it as fact.

Iíve heard *blah blah blah* dunno whether itís true or not. Just passing on the info.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 14:54:47
And then if something doesn't come out next week he will have the usual suspects rubbing his nose in it every post he makes because something he dared to mention didn't come true - see it all the time and it is boring.  You are damned if you do and damned if you don't on here.  

As JJ says, get angry with the club not those that know but are not willing to get shot down if it doesn't come out/true.

I certainly wasn't getting angry just responding to legends lounge post where I thought he asked some fair questions on behalf of the forum and if they can't be answered no problem.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 14:55:11
And then if something doesn't come out next week he will have the usual suspects rubbing his nose in it every post he makes because something he dared to mention didn't come true - see it all the time and it is boring.  You are damned if you do and damned if you don't on here. 

As JJ says, get angry with the club not those that know but are not willing to get shot down if it doesn't come out/true.
100% this.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 14:58:00
:clap:

Youíve had your fun, now answer my civil question please.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 15:00:52
No, itís pretty simple.
If youíve heard something just outright say it & donít present it as fact.

Iíve heard *blah blah blah* dunno whether itís true or not. Just passing on the info.
To be fair it's a forum he can say wat he wants. You have a choice to read it or not


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 15:02:03
To be fair it's a forum he can say wat he wants.

That works both ways mate ;)


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: ron dodgers on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 15:11:11
With the postings you make and a user name ' Cowley', Now where's that ?, I wonder if you are part of a piss stains wind up group.
The best Cowley is in Middlesex, any others are a poor imitation


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 15:17:57
That works both ways mate ;)
Very true


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 15:23:24
I certainly wasn't getting angry just responding to legends lounge post where I thought he asked some fair questions on behalf of the forum and if they can't be answered no problem.

I quoted you but the post wasn't aimed at you - was just a general observation


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 15:24:53
I quoted you but the post wasn't aimed at you - was just a general observation

Fair point👍


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 15:29:17
No, itís pretty simple.
If youíve heard something just outright say it & donít present it as fact.

Iíve heard *blah blah blah* dunno whether itís true or not. Just passing on the info.

But he's done that in the past and now get's constant digs (you being one of the main culprits) when he mentions anything..  "but I thought he was never going to play for us again?" etc.  tedious..

And as stated, it's a forum, he can post what he wants, as can you, just pointing out the black pots and kettles in your outrage  - if you choose to get all angsty about it, that's on you.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Red Frog on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 15:31:34
I know something you donít know nah nah nahnah nah

I canít tell you what is is though.
When something (anything) comes out I can say ĎI told you soí even though I didnít.
With the postings you make and a user name ' Cowley', Now where's that ?, I wonder if you are part of a piss stains wind up group.
Youíve had your fun, now answer my civil question please.

Get over yourselves x3. He might know something, he might not. You'll either find out this week, or you won't. Either way, the only thing that changes is you've wet your knickers over it.

The sniping is far more tiresome than the speculation.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 15:32:23
How about this? Those that don't want to read what Cowley posts, just don't read it. Or put him on ignore, your choice. The rest of us can read it and make our own evaluation of the merit or content of what he has to say. And nobody needs to get cross about reading or not reading any of it. How's that sound?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 15:33:44
That's the most sensible post of the day!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 15:34:05
How about this? Those that don't want to read what Cowley posts, just don't read it. Or put him on ignore, your choice. The rest of us can read it and make our own evaluation of the merit or content of what he has to say. And nobody needs to get cross about reading or not reading any of it. How's that sound?

I think you might be on to something here...


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 15:36:18
Get over yourselves x3. He might know something, he might not. You'll either find out this week, or you won't. Either way, the only thing that changes is you've wet your knickers over it.

The sniping is far more tiresome than the speculation.

And the sniping at the sniping is tiresome. And the sniping at the sniping at the sniping is tiresome.

If people don't like the responses to Cowley's post... they can just scroll down. (It works both ways).

But here we are. Again. It's all pathetic, but it's just going to keep on going and EVERYBODY commenting is contributing to it.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 15:40:41
And the sniping at the sniping is tiresome. And the sniping at the sniping at the sniping is tiresome.

If people don't like the responses to Cowley's post... they can just scroll down. (It works both ways).

But here we are. Again. It's all pathetic, but it's just going to keep on going and EVERYBODY commenting is contributing to it.

Stop contributing to it then :D


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 15:42:19
And the sniping at the sniping is tiresome. And the sniping at the sniping at the sniping is tiresome.

If people don't like the responses to Cowley's post... they can just scroll down. (It works both ways).

But here we are. Again. It's all pathetic, but it's just going to keep on going and EVERYBODY commenting is contributing to it.
Indeed


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 15:42:55
For what itís worth, Iíve heard that there may or may not be more info coming out on Powers dodgy dealings this week.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Cowley38 on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 15:55:04
And the sniping at the sniping is tiresome. And the sniping at the sniping at the sniping is tiresome.

If people don't like the responses to Cowley's post... they can just scroll down. (It works both ways).

But here we are. Again. It's all pathetic, but it's just going to keep on going and EVERYBODY commenting is contributing to it.

Sorry Constable Flashheart.....wouldn't want to upset the forum police.....

Will keep my keyboard quiet from now on

 :D


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 15:58:27
can you at least say where you expect these new allogations to be made?

media? fa? efl? court summons?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Cowley38 on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 15:58:45
With the postings you make and a user name ' Cowley', Now where's that ?, I wonder if you are part of a piss stains wind up group.

No the Cowley in my username has nothing to do with a place....

Is actually a surname , so I'm not an Oxford supporter on the wind up


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 16:03:27
Unless Iíve missed it somewhere has Clem made a statement about the off field issues since his public announcement of wanting to buy club outright? Looks like his 15% could end up being worth fuck all so might end up well out of pocket. Wouldnít be surprised if he ended up walking away from this mess too.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 16:35:25
No the Cowley in my username has nothing to do with a place....

Is actually a surname , so I'm not an Oxford supporter on the wind up
Aha! Unmasked!!

http://www.swindon-town-fc.co.uk/Person.asp?PersonID=COWLEYJA

You've looked after yourself well tbf


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Cowley38 on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 16:37:08
Aha! Unmasked!!

http://www.swindon-town-fc.co.uk/Person.asp?PersonID=COWLEYJA

You've looked after yourself well tbf

Wrong again...!!!

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 16:40:00
Wrong again...!!!

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
Erm, yeah, it was clearly a joke? I didn't really think you were nearly 150 years old


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 16:47:25
How long has Power resided in Switzerland- the country with the tightest privacy laws re bank accounts?

What sort of company has Power been keeping? What are football clubs the perfect vehicle for?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Cowley38 on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 16:50:21
Erm, yeah, it was clearly a joke? I didn't really think you were nearly 150 years old

Obviously..... :D


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Miles Mayhem on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 16:53:14
How long has Power resided in Switzerland- the country with the tightest privacy laws re bank accounts?

What sort of company has Power been keeping? What are football clubs the perfect vehicle for?

cuckoo clock and fondue production?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 17:28:56
Erm, yeah, it was clearly a joke? I didn't really think you were nearly 150 years old

Don't lie, Paul.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 17:33:46
George Cowley, CI5


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 17:36:47
Don't lie, Paul.
It's a fair cop, I genuinely thought he was a vampire.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Cowley38 on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 17:37:53
George Cowley, CI5

Fuck , you rumbled me


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 17:47:21
I would say it's not outrageous to presume that more news will emerge sooner rather than later given how things have unfolded in recent days. Tends to be the case.

If the rumour mill has new revelations about Power then it would have to be a fresh charge or someone going public as Power seems to be pretty good at keeping this stuff off the grid.

The national media are circling and they have a knack of unearthing stuff.

Fun times...


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 18:08:20
I would say it's not outrageous to presume that more news will emerge sooner rather than later given how things have unfolded in recent days. Tends to be the case.

If the rumour mill has new revelations about Power then it would have to be a fresh charge or someone going public as Power seems to be pretty good at keeping this stuff off the grid.

The national media are circling and they have a knack of unearthing stuff.

Fun times...

The national media are circling and they have a knack of unearthing stuff.

Which is what I was thinking earlier when I invited our. Friend Cowley38 to expand on his exclusive.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 18:20:52
Matt Slater of The Athletic has alluded to an Athletic piece on Swindon, which if anything like their Oldham expose, will be full of new unheard revelations.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Jimmy Quinn on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 18:22:22
How often does he release his content


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 18:30:32
Maybe Cowley38 is getting a little warm.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 18:54:57
The FA charge also makes you think back to the first few years of Power and his incessant need to be in full control of recruitment. Was this the case so he could choose players under 'favourable' agents...


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 19:07:18
I've heard a rumour that things will turn out alright in the end. Can't give a time frame or any further information I'm afraid.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 21:28:06
I heard from my mate Chinese Dave, who heard two old ladies on a bus talking about Lee Power. Turns out he hates cheese which quite frankly is scandalous if true.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: bamboonoclue on Sunday, April 11, 2021, 23:10:24
No Gruyťre daydreams for Lausanne Lee then!

What is about to come has more holes than Emmental, runs deeper than cured Camembert  and stinkier than Limburger.

Ooh, "Limburger Lee" has a good ring to it!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, April 12, 2021, 10:41:47
Wonder whether we've settle the unpaid wages dispute with Phil Brown yet, I'm sure he'll get a call from any journos doing a piece on this fiasco.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Monday, April 12, 2021, 13:52:12
Hi All
I thought you would all like to know that in a joint letter between the Trust and the Official Supporters Club (OSC) we have sent a letter today to both the FA and EFL relating to the breaches and asking for them to ensure if found guilty any punishment is applied to the individuals themselves and not that of the football club. Article and letter here: https://truststfc.tv/truststfc-and-osc-write-to-the-fa-and-efl-relating-to-fa-charge-concerns-and-ask-for-club-not-to-be-punished-if-breaches-are-proven/


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 12, 2021, 13:58:00
cheers Jan


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: JBZ on Monday, April 12, 2021, 14:02:34
Hi All
I thought you would all like to know that in a joint letter between the Trust and the Official Supporters Club (OSC) we have sent a letter today to both the FA and EFL relating to the breaches and asking for them to ensure if found guilty any punishment is applied to the individuals themselves and not that of the football club. Article and letter here: https://truststfc.tv/truststfc-and-osc-write-to-the-fa-and-efl-relating-to-fa-charge-concerns-and-ask-for-club-not-to-be-punished-if-breaches-are-proven/


Is this something that could be taken into account in any decision making process?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Monday, April 12, 2021, 14:05:51
Hi All
I thought you would all like to know that in a joint letter between the Trust and the Official Supporters Club (OSC) we have sent a letter today to both the FA and EFL relating to the breaches and asking for them to ensure if found guilty any punishment is applied to the individuals themselves and not that of the football club. Article and letter here: https://truststfc.tv/truststfc-and-osc-write-to-the-fa-and-efl-relating-to-fa-charge-concerns-and-ask-for-club-not-to-be-punished-if-breaches-are-proven/

Good work!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: reeves4england on Monday, April 12, 2021, 14:20:33
Is this something that could be taken into account in any decision making process?
Probably not but it certainly doesn't hurt and, I suppose, opens up an avenue for dialogue between these regulatory bodies and the fans of the club.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 12, 2021, 14:44:40
Is this something that could be taken into account in any decision making process?

The sentiment is great, but, the proof will be in precedent of the prosecution of such cases it may be cases where perpetrators rather than clubs have been sanctioned don't get the publicity, but I cannot think of any examples where a club has not been sanctioned, albeit would be delighted to be proven wrong.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: JBZ on Monday, April 12, 2021, 14:53:31
The sentiment is great, but, the proof will be in precedent of the prosecution of such cases it may be cases where perpetrators rather than clubs have been sanctioned don't get the publicity, but I cannot think of any examples where a club has not been sanctioned, albeit would be delighted to be proven wrong.

I don't know anything about the regulation of clubs and those involved in their ownership etc. As a lay person, I'm not sure how you cannot sanction a club as well the individuals in question.  It is perhaps stating the obvious that I hope that this is wrong.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, April 12, 2021, 15:01:02
I don't know anything about the regulation of clubs and those involved in their ownership etc. As a lay person, I'm not sure how you cannot sanction a club as well the individuals in question.  It is perhaps stating the obvious that I hope that this is wrong.

I am unfortunately similarly limited in specialist knowledge, but from experience of dealing with legal matters I am inclined to agree, as it stands STFC is Seebeck is Swinton Reds is Power/Standing/Clem.

As I noted when this all kicked off, the fact that the club have not achieved anything through their owners actions is not really relevant.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: bamboonoclue on Monday, April 12, 2021, 16:55:33
Wonder whether we've settle the unpaid wages dispute with Phil Brown yet, I'm sure he'll get a call from any journos doing a piece on this fiasco.

I think you only have to look at his silky paisley neckerchief to know he's doing alright  ;)


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, April 12, 2021, 17:10:13
Hi All
I thought you would all like to know that in a joint letter between the Trust and the Official Supporters Club (OSC) we have sent a letter today to both the FA and EFL relating to the breaches and asking for them to ensure if found guilty any punishment is applied to the individuals themselves and not that of the football club. Article and letter here: https://truststfc.tv/truststfc-and-osc-write-to-the-fa-and-efl-relating-to-fa-charge-concerns-and-ask-for-club-not-to-be-punished-if-breaches-are-proven/


Superb - great work.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, April 12, 2021, 17:55:41
Great work, and can do no harm. But when Power et al took the actions they did, they were acting in their capacity as officers of the club - so the club is in breach. I canít argue with the sentiment that the fans shouldnít be punished, but that would need an overhaul of FA rules.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Monday, April 12, 2021, 18:06:40
Great work, and can do no harm. But when Power et al took the actions they did, they were acting in their capacity as officers of the club - so the club is in breach. I canít argue with the sentiment that the fans shouldnít be punished, but that would need an overhaul of FA rules.

Without doubt you are right.
One minor addition and again would it hold any credibility, Power technically passed the fit and proper owner test. I guess the EFL did all the proper checks.
Again if his actions were during his tenure, which they appear to be it will us Supporters to be left clutching at straws just like we did in 1990.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: RedRag on Monday, April 12, 2021, 18:17:31
Hi All
I thought you would all like to know that in a joint letter between the Trust and the Official Supporters Club (OSC) we have sent a letter today to both the FA and EFL relating to the breaches and asking for them to ensure if found guilty any punishment is applied to the individuals themselves and not that of the football club. Article and letter here: https://truststfc.tv/truststfc-and-osc-write-to-the-fa-and-efl-relating-to-fa-charge-concerns-and-ask-for-club-not-to-be-punished-if-breaches-are-proven/

Thanks.

It is so good to know that we have such a competent and committed voice for the fans.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Moss on Monday, April 12, 2021, 20:11:01
Hi All
I thought you would all like to know that in a joint letter between the Trust and the Official Supporters Club (OSC) we have sent a letter today to both the FA and EFL relating to the breaches and asking for them to ensure if found guilty any punishment is applied to the individuals themselves and not that of the football club. Article and letter here: https://truststfc.tv/truststfc-and-osc-write-to-the-fa-and-efl-relating-to-fa-charge-concerns-and-ask-for-club-not-to-be-punished-if-breaches-are-proven/


Great work. My only slight criticism is that it might have been worth writing personally to the chairs of FA and EFL. "Dear Sir or Madam" sounds like you're writing to the council to get off a parking ticket.
Sorry if that's harsh.



Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 00:24:09
Great work. My only slight criticism is that it might have been worth writing personally to the chairs of FA and EFL. "Dear Sir or Madam" sounds like you're writing to the council to get off a parking ticket.
Sorry if that's harsh.



You absolute savage!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 10:11:17
Great work. My only slight criticism is that it might have been worth writing personally to the chairs of FA and EFL. "Dear Sir or Madam" sounds like you're writing to the council to get off a parking ticket.
Sorry if that's harsh.


You can't say that  :eek: Fucking hell admins


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 10:22:26
You can't say that  :eek: Fucking hell admins
Keeping a close eye, thats getting nasty now!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 10:27:49
Great work. My only slight criticism is that it might have been worth writing personally to the chairs of FA and EFL. "Dear Sir or Madam" sounds like you're writing to the council to get off a parking ticket.
Sorry if that's harsh.



 :badmood:



Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Benzel on Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 11:01:57
I don't post here often but it's that kind of awful abuse that has driven me from this forum.

Sent from my CLT-L09


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 11:02:57
Won't somebody think of the children?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 11:29:45
Isn't the point of an open letter that it isn't directed at one or two particular people - so Sir or Madam should cover things unless you are aligned to the non-binary over sensitivity these days..   :headhurts:


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 11:31:02
Great work. My only slight criticism is that it might have been worth writing personally to the chairs of FA and EFL. "Dear Sir or Madam" sounds like you're writing to the council to get off a parking ticket.
Sorry if that's harsh.



Fucking hell mate, steady on


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 11:47:18
Great work. My only slight criticism is that it might have been worth writing personally to the chairs of FA and EFL. "Dear Sir or Madam" sounds like you're writing to the council to get off a parking ticket.
Sorry if that's harsh.



I would actually be inclined to agree with this most British of Criticisms!

Good to see they got the sincerely/faithfully bit right as well!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 11:57:24
According to Twitter, Michael Standing has ceased to be a director from First Touch Pro Management as of yesterday.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 12:01:19
According to Twitter, Michael Standing has ceased to be a director from First Touch Pro Management as of yesterday.
It's (and I'm sure you know this but for the benefit of others), Kieran Maguire of the Price of Football, citing a screenshot of a Companies House filing as a source, so a bit more reliable than "according to Twitter", more like "according to a filling at Companies House" (unless we think Kieran Maguire has started photoshopping CH filings!)

This is interesting - presumably Standing is expecting to be banned from acting as an agent and is hoping by standing down to insulate his agency from further harm. I wonder if that might point a way for our own and Power's situation?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 12:04:25
A quick look at the CH website confirms this


Title: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 12:12:46
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/06749188/officers (https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/06749188/officers)

is John his brother?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 12:16:45
Quote from: pauld
This is interesting - presumably Standing is expecting to be banned from acting as an agent and is hoping by standing down to insulate his agency from further harm. I wonder if that might point a way for our own and Power's situation?

Or removing a conflict of interest to take a controlling interest in stfc

:) yeah ok..


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 12:16:57
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/06749188/officers (https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/06749188/officers)

is John his brother?

I did wonder


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 12:21:37
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/06749188/officers (https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/06749188/officers)

is John his brother?
John is his middle name


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 12:22:20
It's (and I'm sure you know this but for the benefit of others), Kieran Maguire of the Price of Football, citing a screenshot of a Companies House filing as a source, so a bit more reliable than "according to Twitter", more like "according to a filling at Companies House" (unless we think Kieran Maguire has started photoshopping CH filings!)


Sorry yes me saying 'according to twitter' was probably misleading to be fair. Cheers for the detailed clarification which makes much more sense :)


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 12:27:01
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
Quote
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/06749188/officers (https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/06749188/officers)

is John his brother?
John is his middle name

in that list of "people" John is a separate person!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 12:29:58
John is his middle name

in that list of "people" John is a separate person!

A quick look at the website will address any confusion on this


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: tans on Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 12:44:21
According to Twitter, Michael Standing has ceased to be a director from First Touch Pro Management as of yesterday.

No point being an agent or director if you end up being banned from football ;)


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, April 13, 2021, 15:10:41
No point being an agent or director if you end up being banned from football ;)
Or trying to pull a fast one and claiming there was no conflict and that he just hadn't got around to removing himself previously. Nothing would surprise me at the moment....


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Leggett on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 16:09:39
Anyone else just expecting more bad news whenever they look at social media?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 16:10:51
Anyone else just expecting more bad news whenever they look at social media?

I understand from this forum that some news/revelations are due this week.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 16:15:02
Quote from: Leggett
Anyone else just expecting more bad news whenever they look at social media?

yeah.

feel like Eeyore right now...


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 17:53:37
wtf is going on here (Twitter)

@socialPolly


"Are you covering today's Court hearing re: the #STFC shenanigans?

As a Supporter's Trust, we've just (1hr ago) been excommunicated by the Club as a result of providing a witness statement against the current owner that was included in the papers for today's injunction hearing."


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 17:56:22
Renewal of injunction to prevent the club being put into admin?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 17:57:30
I'd imagine so Paul.

We'll see


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:02:02
That's not quite out in the open yet flash. the contents of the injunction have not yet been communicated.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:03:21
Fair point, I jumped the gun a bit.

Deleted


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:04:43
The Trust have published a press release re the excommunication and today's court hearing.

https://truststfc.tv/press-release-from-truststfc-swindon-town-fc-cease-all-communications-with-truststfc/


Title: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:04:50
as you were


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:13:37
Pope Lee I getting his revenge in early I see. Perhaps the trust could go full Morshead and just become a cricket supporter's trust instead?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:14:59
Cowley was right ..

just saying..


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:15:43
Cowley was right ..

just saying..

Yay.

He got one!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:15:48
The Trust have published a press release re the excommunication and today's court hearing.

https://truststfc.tv/press-release-from-truststfc-swindon-town-fc-cease-all-communications-with-truststfc/
Thanks PP, do we know if the applicants were successful in obtaining an injunction to stop Power putting the club into administration? Because presumably if they weren't, we are about to go into administration.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:19:11
Cowley was right ..

just saying..
And in the timescale he suggested too.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:19:25
Because presumably if they weren't, we are about to go into administration.

... or get sold to ABLE. Which I think is the real reason behind it.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:20:16
as if able are real


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:22:15
I'm led to believe they are.

Just how 'good' they are - I've no idea.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:23:25
There is no mention of injunctions in that short write up. I wonder whether some confusion has arisen as to the nature of any application.


Title: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:23:45
able are real - well blow me down with a feather.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:25:50
There is no mention of injunctions in that short write up. I wonder whether some confusion has arisen as to the nature of any application.

There were already two injunctions in place, were there not?  Any application would have been to overcome those injunctions - Power can neither sell nor place the club in Admin without such approval.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:26:11
able are real - well blow me down with a feather.

I might have misheard something along the way.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:27:50
There is no mention of injunctions in that short write up. I wonder whether some confusion has arisen as to the nature of any application.
It is implied in the reference to putting evidence before the court. And a Trust board member tweeted about getting excommunicated following "today's injunction hearing"

https://twitter.com/socialPolly/status/1382367659669475330


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:29:05
... or get sold to ABLE. Which I think is the real reason behind it.
Apparently so:

https://twitter.com/socialPolly/status/1382385093679923204


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:30:20
Apparently so:

https://twitter.com/socialPolly/status/1382385093679923204

So, what does that mean.

Does the court get to choose which?



Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:30:53
FWIW I heard on Monday that power was looking to remove an injunction to prevent him from selling the club. Havent heard about admin though


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:31:11
So, what does that mean.

Does the court get to choose which?


Fuck knows. I'd read it as an application for an injunction to prevent both outcomes but I may have misconstrued that


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:34:53
This may be an application for an order to enter administration (rather than via the out of court route).

I think that the standing injunction did not prevent whichever company going into admin (whereas I think the axis one did). So, I suppose there may have also been some attempt to restrain an application for an administration order.


Edit: I have now seen the posts above.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:37:49
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Ultimately, Axis has a shareholding in the company and are moving to ensure this isn't overturned.

We should know more context and info at the next hearing, where the Court can take everything into consideration.

From what I could gather, no party wants the admin route.

Sounds again to me like Power is trying to overcome an injunction.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:41:34
Sounds again to me like Power is trying to overcome an injunction.

I don't know any detail but there may be some confusion/misunderstanding around the substantive legal issues.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: bamboonoclue on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:44:59
Doesn't "A.B.L.E Company" just stand for "Administration Be Lee's Exit"  :hmmm:

Anyway, had a few people ask about the profile/avatar. It may seem a bit "cheese" or "embarrassing" but at this, stage I'd happily wear a cap with "Power Out" on it.

If anyone wishes to use it, feel free. I think it dipicts everything about the current state of the club, specifically those who are currently majority owner(s)...


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:47:45
If the standing injunction restrains a sale or administration, LP would have to apply to vary/alter the terms of the injunction.  The application would have to set out his case on why the court should do so.  CM/MS would have the opportunity to resist the application.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Boeta on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:48:38
What would be the reasons that Power might want admin? Surely a sale to Morfuni is more profitable?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:48:54
Would anybody knowledgeable in these matters know if a court is likely to accept administration when it is avoidable? Bearing in mind this is not the typical administration application. (There's not usually an injunction in place)


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 18:56:28
Would anybody knowledgeable in these matters know if a court is likely to accept administration when it is avoidable? Bearing in mind this is not the typical administration application. (There's not usually an injunction in place)

The court don't get involved in deciding if admin a route the company is allowed to take unless there has been a winding up petition.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Cowley38 on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 19:00:00
What would be the reasons that Power might want admin? Surely a sale to Morfuni is more profitable?

Power could name himself as creditor and get more money...


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 19:02:18
Would anybody knowledgeable in these matters know if a court is likely to accept administration when it is avoidable? Bearing in mind this is not the typical administration application. (There's not usually an injunction in place)

We don't know what the issues/arguments are.

The court can make any order it sees fit.  To make an adminstration order I think that the court has to be satisfied that:-

1. The company cannot pay its debts

2. It is reasonably likely that administration will achieve one or more of the purposes set out in para 3 of Schedule B1 to the Insolvency Act 1986.

They are:

- Rescue of the company as a going concern.
- Achieve a better result for the creditors as a whole than would be likely if the company were wound up.
- The realisation of some or all of the company's property to make a distribution to one or more secured or preferential creditors.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 19:17:29
What would be the reasons that Power might want admin? Surely a sale to Morfuni is more profitable?

To sell and not have to pay back full amounts owed.
Able likely a smokescreen with a silent partner no other than Mr Lee Power.
Going to get rather shitty now.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 19:21:26
Itís certainly not all going to go Powers way.
Clem holds 15% and this would be considered in any Court decision, a foot in the door.
Power is on the ropes, the run way is becoming considerably smaller.
Proof of funds could hold credibility, just saying.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 19:24:49
The shameless scrabblings of a cornered and desperate man, you nearly got there but ultimately you fucked it up.

Sent from my SM-A125F


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 19:25:30
Surely if we didnít go into admin and Power sold up the debt becomes the new owners problem? So admin still doesnít make any sense to me.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 19:29:46
Something Iíd like to add - Iíd not wish this upon anyone (even Oxford). Everyone has the right to support a club, which isnít being used as an asset stripping opportunity. To do this within this year will compound the mental health battles people have faced within the last year and it really just does show what an absolute twat Power is. You only have to look as far as someone like Claude at AFTV. For some people, their football club is the main thing they have in life.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 19:32:26
We don't know what the issues/arguments are.

The court can make any order it sees fit.  To make an adminstration order I think that the court has to be satisfied that:-

1. The company cannot pay its debts

2. It is reasonably likely that administration will achieve one or more of the purposes set out in para 3 of Schedule B1 to the Insolvency Act 1986.

They are:

- Rescue of the company as a going concern.
- Achieve a better result for the creditors as a whole than would be likely if the company were wound up.
- The realisation of some or all of the company's property to make a distribution to one or more secured or preferential creditors.


And Power could make lay to a claim of being one of only two significant direct creditors?  I assume he could.

He clearly wants to sell the club and do it without the Standing case having been decided yet - what we don't know is whether he is selling it to a Brand new owner, or something legal but shady that transitions ownership one step removed.  I assume Admin was raised to spook the Court as a reason why it would be in their interests to waive the original injunction.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 19:53:28
Surely if we didnít go into admin and Power sold up the debt becomes the new owners problem? So admin still doesnít make any sense to me.

Any informed buyer will ensure the seller takes responsibility for all liabilities that arise before the date of transfer. A buyer normally carries out proper due diligence to find out where the gremlins are in a business. But due diligence assumes that there are documents to properly review. The absence of proper paperwork means Morfuni is would be foolish not to demand indemnities for any liabilities that havenít been laid on the table for him to see. In practice, that means whoever takes over could well have a few years of chasing Power for money he owes....


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 19:55:12
Surely if we didnít go into admin and Power sold up the debt becomes the new owners problem? So admin still doesnít make any sense to me.

This is a personal vindictive battle.
Power would rather put the club in admin and thus ensuring that all full sums owed would be considerably less. Clearly doesnít give a shit about the ďvehicleĒ he has used - Swindon Town Football Club.
Hope he gets the lot thrown at him.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 19:56:47
Something Iíd like to add - Iíd not wish this upon anyone (even Oxford). Everyone has the right to support a club, which isnít being used as an asset stripping opportunity. To do this within this year will compound the mental health battles people have faced within the last year and it really just does show what an absolute twat Power is. You only have to look as far as someone like Claude at AFTV. For some people, their football club is the main thing they have in life.

This. What happened at Bury was absolutely shocking and the Supporters pay the ultimate price.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 20:07:37
But was tragic,  but ultimately  all the sympathy in the world makes no difference to the outcome.

What would be good is a coordinate effort in getting shot of this parasite that has a chance of success.

I'm not qualified to know how to do  that.


e..g.
will not buying a season ticket/boycott  all revenue streams for now increase his desperation, or will it kill the club?

what else can we do?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 20:38:18
I presume Power doesnít want to pay what is owed to Standing - either 42.5% of any sale or any side deals they may have had regarding divvying up transfer fees.

Need to work out if a club sale whilst in admin is better/worse than selling and settling his debts. Bear in mind, Wigan went for just £3m out of Admin.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Leggett on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 20:43:28
Anyone else just expecting more bad news whenever they look at social media?

Didn't have to wait long in the end, did I...

What a clusterfuck.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 21:20:39
Youíve gotta wonder how many authorities (football and non-football) are keeping a watching brief on this.  With some of the shady characters lurking in the background literally anything is possible, at some point the National press will show some interest as the more you hear the more it becomes like the plot of a far fetched east end gangster film.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 21:32:48
Quote from: theakston2k
Youíve gotta wonder how many authorities (football and non-football) are keeping a watching brief on this.  With some of the shady characters lurking in the background literally anything is possible, at some point the National press will show some interest as the more you hear the more it becomes like the plot of a far fetched east end gangster film.

it's a genuine concern.

The scale could be anywhere between mere financial ruin and full on Godfather..

"You come to me on the day my son collects his starting position competition win"..


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: bamboonoclue on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 22:51:57
Yep, I'm just waiting for Brick Top to show up and threaten at least one of us with being fed to the "piggies".

In all seriousness, I'm beginning to wonder if the BFI would be interested in funding a screenplay based around this? If Dole Queue dancers from Sheffield, The women of Dagenham, Drug culture in Embra and Punks from the 1980s Notts can join the list of classic British made films then why can't "The Circus of SN1".

Also urge any of you to read, if you haven't already "The Miracle of Castel di Sangro". I have mentioned it on here before and it's something Andrew Hawes and I touched on during this STFC season of bizarreness....on and off the field. Some of the things in that book would be quite reflective for goings on at Town...allegedly :)


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: stfcjack on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 22:53:04
Just signed up for the trust, itís only small but I feel like I need to do something. Canít bare to see what is unfolding 😔


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 23:00:02
Quote from: stfcjack
Just signed up for the trust, itís only small but I feel like I need to do something. Canít bare to see what is unfolding 😔

ditto today.

minimum membership is just £1 a month

https://pay.gocardless.com/flow/RE001AX1P9AFEQVC86RZ4TSN9QA2PYY8


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 23:13:03
Just signed up for the trust, itís only small but I feel like I need to do something. Canít bare to see what is unfolding 😔

I canít seem to get on to their website to sign up. Anyone else having an issue?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: stfcjack on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 23:15:15
I canít seem to get on to their website to sign up. Anyone else having an issue?

You can try this link, it seemed to work okay for me.

https://www.redarmyfund.co.uk/sign-up/


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 23:15:24
Do we know anything about ABLE? All I seem to recall is a very poorly written letter - almost as if an American version of dopey Lee had dictated it - about a year ago.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Leggett on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 23:17:26
Do we know anything about ABLE? All I seem to recall is a very poorly written letter was published  - almost as if an American version of dopey Lee had dictated it - about a year ago.

Well he denied their existence at first, but now seems to be ackowledging them... it's sus as fuck that we know zero about them, other than Power is insistent that he must sell to them and them alone.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 23:30:23
Do we know anything about ABLE? All I seem to recall is a very poorly written letter - almost as if an American version of dopey Lee had dictated it - about a year ago.
This lot wasnít it:

https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ma/001385380

Boston property developer:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/17/business/developer-set-buy-widett-circle-potential-mega-project/%3foutputType=amp


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, April 14, 2021, 23:49:28
Makes me feel uneasy that these guys are purely real estate and property development.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 00:30:34
Makes me feel uneasy that these guys are purely real estate and property development.

Not to far removed from digger are they?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: bamboonoclue on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 00:46:29
Not to far removed from digger are they?

Difference being is that "digger" actually has some link to commercial sporting venues rather than domestic real estate. Ok, even if it was just a few plug sockets, U-bends and rolls of PTFE tape, it still is a high end development contract that AXIS secured.

I think if we'd had similar "achievement", many of us would drop it into conversation if talking to people who were considering developing sports stadia :)


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 01:13:13
This lot wasnít it:

https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ma/001385380

Boston property developer:

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/17/business/developer-set-buy-widett-circle-potential-mega-project/%3foutputType=amp

A developer and married to the daughter of Abbey Groups Chief Exec who is also Managing Partner at the Boston Celtics, Bob Epstein.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 03:06:34
I always though it was this lot - providing janitorial services

https://ableserve.com/

Iíve got a few queries if anybody can help

Why is Power insistent he sells to Able and not Clem - especially as Clem reckons heís offered more than Able?

For anyone thinking of buying the club it would be way cheaper to buy it out of Admin.

What is the advantage to Power by putting the club in Admin? Any money owed to him, either personally or via other companies he owns, would see him only get 20% in the pound back as he would not be a football related creditor or a preferred creditor. I realise it would screw over Standing/Clem. Can Clem, as a minority shareholder, prevent Power/admin entirely?

Why  is Power saying he wants to sell whilst at the same time applying to put the club in Admin - again, after giving an undertaking after last yearís court case preventing him from doing so.

Is it significant that it is Clem and not Standing who has applied for the latest injunction stopping Power? May he have settled OOC with Standing and whatís the significance of him resigning from his company earlier this week.

Wigan entered Admin this season yet werenít docked points. Why was that?

Regarding the CG. Would the council still offer the Trust 50% ownership no matter who the next owner is?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 06:36:48
Do we know anything about ABLE? All I seem to recall is a very poorly written letter - almost as if an American version of dopey Lee had dictated it - about a year ago.
Someone on the Facebook group did some.digging and found that William Kerravouri (the 'frontman' from the leaked documents), his father in law who he works for at The Abbey Group was worth $14billion, and in the theme of recent days, allegedly! Same chap that's part of the Boston Celtics ownership structure.

From looking into them last year, I'm sure I read they were working on a stadium with the New England Patriots... So ownership desire could be based on County Ground renovation, or new stadium for us, in order to maybe expand in to stadium business in the UK maybe.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 06:45:33
If Power is desperate to sell to them - and them only - Iíd be asking myself why?

He really is an absolute turd.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 07:01:27
If Power is desperate to sell to them - and them only - Iíd be asking myself why?

He really is an absolute turd.
That's definitely the big, and worrying question. Has to be something about the deal which makes it personally more financially incentivised for Power, or it's just out of pure spite towards Clem.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 07:08:38
Someone on the Facebook group did some.digging and found that William Kerravouri (the 'frontman' from the leaked documents), his father in law who he works for at The Abbey Group was worth $14billion, and in the theme of recent days, allegedly! Same chap that's part of the Boston Celtics ownership structure.

From looking into them last year, I'm sure I read they were working on a stadium with the New England Patriots... So ownership desire could be based on County Ground renovation, or new stadium for us, in order to maybe expand in to stadium business in the UK maybe.

Don't believe anything on there.  The Abbey group is not worth anything like that, according to Dunn and Bradstreet  it has estimated revenues of $3.15m and has 10 employees.

Robert Epstein is the front man and managing partner of the Boston Celtics and has been since 2002 but is not the main money man.   That said he does of course know an awful lot of exceedingly wealthy people!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 07:09:10
Either that or they are more likely to keep schtum about his tenure.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 07:17:49
That's definitely the big, and worrying question. Has to be something about the deal which makes it personally more financially incentivised for Power, or it's just out of pure spite towards Clem.

Yes it's odd.  You'd have thought bidding the 2 off each other to get the price up would be the sensible thing to do.  I can't see it being pig headedness, he's not stupid.

Perhaps he has and Able just want it to be kept quiet......


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 07:44:36
I think Power has a week to respond to the FA charges. Maybe this has accelerated things. What if Standing has already fessed up to the FA? That drops Power right in it.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 08:17:07
That's definitely the big, and worrying question. Has to be something about the deal which makes it personally more financially incentivised for Power, or it's just out of pure spite towards Clem.

Combination of both, silent partner to new venture (this is Lee Power) and spite against those who have challenged him.
Just hope this doesnít drag on for a long time as the on field issues will become progressively worse.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 08:21:01
Combination of both, silent partner to new venture (this is Lee Power) and spite against those who have challenged him.
Just hope this doesnít drag on for a long time as the on field issues will become progressively worse.
On the subject of silent partner, I wonder if that would be similar to some of the recent club sales such as Ipswich where the selling owner retains a small % stake in the club (i.e. 5%). Or is it more sinister than that?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 08:25:34
Andy Holt confined this morning that Accrington Stanley budget was £1.3mn this season, which was judged by the EFL as not the lowest budget. Wonder if our original budget was one of these judged lower.

I'm sure our budget for the 2014/15 playoff campaign was £1.5-£1.8mn, which was with ~7000 fans per week. With clubs shelling out more than that without fans this season, makes your mind wander at where the revenue was going at the time...


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: 4D on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 08:31:58
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19233262.lee-power-apparently-preparing-sell-swindon-town-court-told/


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 08:36:11
You can try this link, it seemed to work okay for me.

https://www.redarmyfund.co.uk/sign-up/

Thanks buddy, appears I was using the wrong website


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 08:48:39
But was tragic,  but ultimately  all the sympathy in the world makes no difference to the outcome.

What would be good is a coordinate effort in getting shot of this parasite that has a chance of success.

I'm not qualified to know how to do  that.


e..g.
will not buying a season ticket/boycott  all revenue streams for now increase his desperation, or will it kill the club?

what else can we do?

Have been doing that this season and have joined the trust this morning too. However, I canít just watch our beloved club possibly become the next Bury. I donít expect everyone to agree but I for one fully intend to be at The County Ground Tuesday and protest in a peaceful and legal manner. Ideally Iíd love to see a couple of hundred fans chanting ĎPower Outí and getting some media coverage. Totally fed up with all these rouge chairmen in football and weíve had more than our fair share.

Fan Power. Not Lee Power.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 09:01:13
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/19233262.lee-power-apparently-preparing-sell-swindon-town-court-told/

That has much more of a 'being sold' angle than a 'going into admin' angle.

Which puts more focus on 'who the fuck are ABLE company?'.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 09:11:54
That has much more of a 'being sold' angle than a 'going into admin' angle.

Which puts more focus on 'who the fuck are ABLE company?'.
They are as theakston posted, a Boston-based spin-off of a property development company owned by William Kerravouri. Unless you meant, who else is behind them and him?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: RedRag on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 09:16:45
I would just like to defend LP.  He has always had the best interests of the club at heart.  It looks to me like he has been too trusting of others in his informal dealings around club financing.  If he wants Able to be the buyer, it is because he believes it to be in the best interests of STFC's future after his stewardship.  Any suggestion that there may be some backhander or other unrecorded agreement with Able is reprehensible.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 09:22:02
I would just like to defend LP.  He has always had the best interests of the club at heart.  It looks to me like he has been too trusting of others in his informal dealings around club financing.  If he wants Able to be the buyer, it is because he believes it to be in the best interests of STFC's future after his stewardship.  Any suggestion that there may be some backhander or other unrecorded agreement with Able is reprehensible.

Now that, is satire.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 09:25:22
I would just like to defend LP.  He has always had the best interests of the club at heart.  It looks to me like he has been too trusting of others in his informal dealings around club financing.  If he wants Able to be the buyer, it is because he believes it to be in the best interests of STFC's future after his stewardship.  Any suggestion that there may be some backhander or other unrecorded agreement with Able is reprehensible.

I think you need to be on the fb group to get the bites your looking for  :clap: :D


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 09:48:57
Youíve also got to question ABLEís motives for the sheer fact they are still interested in buying after waiting for almost 2 years, whatís really in it for them?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 09:49:19
my queries are simple:

1 why remain in the background?

2. why swindon when other opportunities are around.

sceptical speculation head on

  - we got the letter
  - it may or may not have gone further
  - they buggered off pretty quickly after covid hit/the stench from the club hit.

basically I don't trust Power to use this 'sale' to see it 'fall through' and put the club and holding in admin, this reducing his liabilities and stuffing Clem/standing.

Can anyone think of a reason why Able are remaining totally silent given the current position. why not work with all the stakeholders to try and resolve the log jam

obviously the truth is - we don't really know


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 09:55:31
Thing is with all this ABLE stuff, setting aside the (rather large) fact that no one seems to have a clue who they really are, I still don't really get what the appeal is to them.

The Council are only going to sell the ground to the club in a JV with the Trust, thus ABLE if they buy Swinton Reds will still only own 50% of the real estate, and have to deal with the fans trust, likewise if the club goes into Admin I cannot see the Council entertaining any deal that involves Power or his chosen successors.

There are considerably easier ways to make money from property than this shit show.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: ThreeDrawsMentality on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 09:59:01
Yeah it is mightily suspicious an external company with no ties to the area would hang on tooth and nail for ~ 2 years for a lower league football club purchase, when there are plenty of others out there to be bought with less baggage and could be done in a shorter time frame. If they wanted to just purchase a football club, they'd have moved on, but instead, it seems nothing but Swindon for them. If their interest is even still real that is...


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 10:08:41
Ipswich are being sold and, I believe, the council own Portman Road. So owning the real estate isnít the prime factor there.

I think it must be certain that Standing does, indeed, own 50% of Powerís share of the club as it was him who brought all these shenanigans to light when he stopped Power trying to flog the club without his permission.

Doing this he must have known the personal consequences of a certain F.A. investigation. Being banned was probably less severe then losing his considerable investment in STFC. I again presume his recent resignation from First Touch is in anticipation of an F.A. ban, which brings me to ask that if he tells all to the FA is that sufficient to prove his ownership claim over STFC - thus shafting Power and his attempt to put us in Admin? Or will the court case decide that outcome?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 10:21:10
I find it easy to see why a wealthy person/business would want to get involved with lower league English clubs that have potential.

How many opportunities have come around since we first heard about ABLE?

Ipswich?
Wigan?

(I know there's probably more than two, it's just all that comes to mind now)

How much did these cost to buy into? What other factors were there that might affect interest? Why Swindon and not them?



Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 10:50:08
Yeah it is mightily suspicious an external company with no ties to the area would hang on tooth and nail for ~ 2 years for a lower league football club purchase, when there are plenty of others out there to be bought with less baggage and could be done in a shorter time frame. If they wanted to just purchase a football club, they'd have moved on, but instead, it seems nothing but Swindon for them. If their interest is even still real that is...
TBF that could also be levelled at Clem Morfuni too. Apparently there is a lot of interest from US investors in buying into English football because they see our clubs as being comparatively cheap to acquire compared to the costs of buying into sports teams in the US and they think our TV rights and commercial deals are underexploited.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 10:51:10
I think Power has a week to respond to the FA charges. Maybe this has accelerated things. What if Standing has already fessed up to the FA? That drops Power right in it.
I don't think it does. Or at least no more than what was said in open court. Standing's whole case is that he owned 50% of the club. That is why he and Power have been charged.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 11:03:51
If Power is desperate to sell to them - and them only - Iíd be asking myself why?

He really is an absolute turd.
There can only be 1 reason, kick backs.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 11:41:41
Just listened to Kieran Maguireís latest podcast on the Price of Football.

He seems to think a points deduction is possible but not probable.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 11:45:03
Thing is with all this ABLE stuff, setting aside the (rather large) fact that no one seems to have a clue who they really are, I still don't really get what the appeal is to them.

The Council are only going to sell the ground to the club in a JV with the Trust, thus ABLE if they buy Swinton Reds will still only own 50% of the real estate, and have to deal with the fans trust, likewise if the club goes into Admin I cannot see the Council entertaining any deal that involves Power or his chosen successors.

There are considerably easier ways to make money from property than this shit show.
Was thinking about this. What if any new owner continues the deal with the council and purchases the CG 50-50 with the Trust. Then, a couple of years down the line and the culmination of a plan, the club ceases to exist. No club, no Trust, one CG owner with no pesky football club getting in the way.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 11:49:04
https://www.mylife.com/william-keravuori/e439896732018

Interesting, William DOES have Court, Arrest or Criminal Records and William DOES have Lawsuits, Liens, Evictions or Bankruptcies apparently.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 11:57:45
Sounds Fit and Proper


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Leggett on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 12:20:34
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/17917935.us-firm-makes-7m-bid-buy-swindon-town-club-denies-knowledge/

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/17920067.lee-power-states-swindon-town-not-sale-no-offers-made-despite-advers-7million-us-bid-discovery/

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/17973711.documents-show-able-company-swindon-llcs-interest-purchasing-swindon-town-club-continues-deny-approach-made/

Frankly, it stinks. Something doesn't add up.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 12:22:02
Was thinking about this. What if any new owner continues the deal with the council and purchases the CG 50-50 with the Trust. Then, a couple of years down the line and the culmination of a plan, the club ceases to exist. No club, no Trust, one CG owner with no pesky football club getting in the way.

Surely the trust will still exist even if the club doesnít? As weíve seen, the club and the ground are separate entities.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 12:23:36
What would be the point of a Supporters Trust if there is no club to support?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 12:24:52
https://www.mylife.com/william-keravuori/e439896732018

Interesting, William DOES have Court, Arrest or Criminal Records and William DOES have Lawsuits, Liens, Evictions or Bankruptcies apparently.

Fits our DNA then.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 12:25:35
What would be the point of a Supporters Trust if there is no club to support?
If it had a 50% stake in the ground, then at least in part to ensure that was disposed of correctly. Or to restart a phoenix club that could play there. LL is correct, the club and ground are separate. And if the legal entity that is Swindon Town Football Club Ltd went shitside, there would still be people who wanted to support a club representing the town of Swindon that played at the County Ground.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 12:26:26
What would be the point of a Supporters Trust if there is no club to support?

Technically, none, however, the trust can still exist sans club. More importantly the Ďtrustí will still have a 50% stake in the freehold.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 12:26:36
https://www.mylife.com/william-keravuori/e439896732018

Interesting, William DOES have Court, Arrest or Criminal Records and William DOES have Lawsuits, Liens, Evictions or Bankruptcies apparently.
On the upside, he's apparently not a sex offender.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 12:28:18
Anyone close to James Dyson? Could really, really do with a benefactor like him right now.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 12:29:22
Anyone close to James Dyson? Could really, really do with a benefactor like him right now.

Involved with Bath Rugby, don't think he's ever shown any interest in football.


Title: Re: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 12:29:37
On the upside, he's apparently not a sex offender.
He is a democrat though, that's going upset a few.

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Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 13:50:53
Involved with Bath Rugby, don't think he's ever shown any interest in football.

Tory Billionaire snob.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: RedRag on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 14:08:23
On the upside, he's apparently not a sex offender.
Even if he were, I'm sure he'd still easily pass as fit and proper.  It ain't a high bar.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 14:30:09
https://www.mylife.com/william-keravuori/e439896732018

Interesting, William DOES have Court, Arrest or Criminal Records and William DOES have Lawsuits, Liens, Evictions or Bankruptcies apparently.

Is that the right guy?

You can get a little more stalkerish if needed.......

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/78-Montgomery-St-Boston-MA-02116/59172297_zpid/?

It's worth a few bob, nice view from the rooftop garden.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 14:35:48
Is that the right guy?
Yes it is the same chap.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: tans on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 14:55:28
Fits our DNA then.

To be fair, in america they give you a criminal record for crossing the street in the wrong place!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 14:57:46
To be fair, in america they give you a criminal record for crossing the street in the wrong place!
To be fair heíd need to have a 1st degree murder conviction to have a worst background than some of the individuals lurking in the shadows at the club.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 15:09:10
Bankruptcy is also a legitimate financial tool over here with little stigma attached.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 17:19:20
Great Western Reds are working to remove sponser money from the club until Power is gone. Apparently 3 companies have already committed.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: blinkpip on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 17:26:36
 :hmmm: Not sure if that's a good move or not? It's all confusing this.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 17:27:48
Great Western Reds are working to remove sponser money from the club until Power is gone. Apparently 3 companies have already committed.

Can you explain who Great Western Reds are?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 17:32:48
Can you explain who Great Western Reds are?

Independent STFC supporters group. They have in the past arranged a number of visual displays on matchdays. Clem apparently had got quite friendly with them before realising they weren't as close to the club as he had perceived.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 17:33:50
Independent STFC supporters group. They have in the past arranged a number of visual displays on matchdays.

Which I assume is different from the trust?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 17:35:13
Which I assume is different from the trust?

Yes.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 17:36:03
:hmmm: Not sure if that's a good move or not? It's all confusing this.

I'm not either, but I suppose the thinking is to try and strangle any income to Power and force his hand.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 17:38:17
I'm not either, but I suppose the thinking is to try and strangle any income to Power and force his hand.

Every little helps.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 17:39:09
Yes.

Last one. Do they work with the trust or plough their own furrow?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 18:04:50
Last one. Do they work with the trust or plough their own furrow?
Bit of both from what i understand.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 18:07:43
Last one. Do they work with the trust or plough their own furrow?

I'm really not too sure to be honest.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 18:20:44
The Great Western Reds seemed to make an impressive start with banners in The Town End along with ticker tape etc to create an atmosphere. I personally think they took a bit of a hit when they tried to mix polictics with football when they created Refugees Welcome banners, which obviously was not representative of all Town fans.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 18:41:56
The Great Western Reds seemed to make an impressive start with banners in The Town End along with ticker tape etc to create an atmosphere. I personally think they took a bit of a hit when they tried to mix polictics with football when they created Refugees Welcome banners, which obviously was not representative of all Town fans.
Their Ďleaderí is Jaybox isnít it who became Clemís lap dog for a period of time. Think they got upset when they werenít allowed to do some kind of display or allowed to leave their flags in the ground and from that point forward acted like a scorned ex girlfriend towards the club. They annoyed a lot of people when they tried to make out they were the voice of the fans and represented everyoneís views, and yeah then there was the politics bit....


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 18:52:00
I used to stick up for JayBox on here when he was getting grief over his flags.

Then it transpired that he's a bit of a bellend.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 19:18:58
JayBox is me without the beer and 15 years later.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: pauld on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 19:28:17
JayBox is me without the beer and 15 years later.
Rob Tuck without the beer ..... nope, can't picture that, sorry.


Title: Re: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Benzel on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 20:17:02
I used to stick up for JayBox on here when he was getting grief over his flags.

Then it transpired that he's a bit of a bellend.
Nah he's sound

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Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: bamboonoclue on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 21:54:58
I'm not sure, similar sentiments on here and from my viewpoint too. Initially good intentions but eventually came across as a bit too self entitled (aren't we all to some degree) and a knobber.

In the words of Stormzy a bit too "Big for ya boots".

In defence, I think the outset of GWR with their fleggs is well intended and did create some kind of added atmosphere. It's all the being up the arse of N-L level type players like Jamie Sendles-White. Even trying to force the issue of getting them signed up again. Which is ironic because you can guarantee that Jayboxx and his "crew" (puke) will be up in arms and waving their flags about, in regards to Taylor Curran  :nod:

That's all fine, of course we can all have a viewpoint but when that viewpoint is trying to act as a mouthpiece for all fans, it might be better to actually consult all fans about it first. GWR have never done this in my eyes so I can see why they don't sit "well" with some. As I say, slightly self-entitled.

I do like fleggs though :)


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Maidenhead Red on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 22:22:05
Iíve just signed up to the Trust. Like many here, itís a small thing to do in the grand scheme of things but something we feel necessary to do to make any difference we can

My affiliation with STFC is different to a lot of you. Iím not a Swindon native. Iíve no idea really the impact of the club on the local community. I became a Swindon fan through chance really. Parents divorced and my Dad moved to Swindon. Lived in Old Town. Way back when I was 15. We started going to games as a way to spend time together and became season tickets holders and went home and away.  In recent years our attendance has lessened, due to the normal reasons. Kids coming along, money that was spent at the football prioritised elsewhere. But our love for the club has never dipped

Swindon Town Football Club means a lot to me. It was a way to see my Dad. It was a distraction from being a child of a messy divorce. It was something I eventually fell in love with

Iím not quite sure the point Iím making here. I just felt like typing. I dont often on this forum. More of a reader. I guess the club helped me through a tough period of my life and itís been a huge factor ever since. To see whatís going on right now is heartbreaking. We all just want the club to do well

Whatever happens, Iíll be STFC for life now. When we can start to attend games again. Iíll be there. Likely on my own as my Dad wonít make many games these days. But Iíll sit there, in the Arkells ( we were TE ST holders but Iím too old for all that standing and singing now) and Iíll make that 130 mile round trip to watch us gladly. As long as we have a club


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 22:41:06
it's good to sometimes just type. things out.

I like hearing how fans became fans, even if it's under not ideal circumstances.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Maidenhead Red on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 22:46:48
it's good to sometimes just type. things out.

I like hearing how fans became fans, even if it's under not ideal circumstances.

The club is like an old friend I could rely on in difficult times. Now seeing it go through tough times itself, you feel compelled to help, you know?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 22:53:56
I do. Nice one on joining the trust


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: leftside on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 23:11:52
Iíve just signed up to the Trust. Like many here, itís a small thing to do in the grand scheme of things but something we feel necessary to do to make any difference we can

My affiliation with STFC is different to a lot of you. Iím not a Swindon native. Iíve no idea really the impact of the club on the local community. I became a Swindon fan through chance really. Parents divorced and my Dad moved to Swindon. Lived in Old Town. Way back when I was 15. We started going to games as a way to spend time together and became season tickets holders and went home and away.  In recent years our attendance has lessened, due to the normal reasons. Kids coming along, money that was spent at the football prioritised elsewhere. But our love for the club has never dipped

Swindon Town Football Club means a lot to me. It was a way to see my Dad. It was a distraction from being a child of a messy divorce. It was something I eventually fell in love with

Iím not quite sure the point Iím making here. I just felt like typing. I dont often on this forum. More of a reader. I guess the club helped me through a tough period of my life and itís been a huge factor ever since. To see whatís going on right now is heartbreaking. We all just want the club to do well

Whatever happens, Iíll be STFC for life now. When we can start to attend games again. Iíll be there. Likely on my own as my Dad wonít make many games these days. But Iíll sit there, in the Arkells ( we were TE ST holders but Iím too old for all that standing and singing now) and Iíll make that 130 mile round trip to watch us gladly. As long as we have a club
Cool. I like hearing the different stories behind becoming a Town fan. Thanks for sharing. I Bronzed with the Trust this morning.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Pookemon on Thursday, April 15, 2021, 23:45:54
Iíve just signed up to the Trust. Like many here, itís a small thing to do in the grand scheme of things but something we feel necessary to do to make any difference we can

My affiliation with STFC is different to a lot of you. Iím not a Swindon native. Iíve no idea really the impact of the club on the local community. I became a Swindon fan through chance really. Parents divorced and my Dad moved to Swindon. Lived in Old Town. Way back when I was 15. We started going to games as a way to spend time together and became season tickets holders and went home and away.  In recent years our attendance has lessened, due to the normal reasons. Kids coming along, money that was spent at the football prioritised elsewhere. But our love for the club has never dipped

Swindon Town Football Club means a lot to me. It was a way to see my Dad. It was a distraction from being a child of a messy divorce. It was something I eventually fell in love with

Iím not quite sure the point Iím making here. I just felt like typing. I dont often on this forum. More of a reader. I guess the club helped me through a tough period of my life and itís been a huge factor ever since. To see whatís going on right now is heartbreaking. We all just want the club to do well

Whatever happens, Iíll be STFC for life now. When we can start to attend games again. Iíll be there. Likely on my own as my Dad wonít make many games these days. But Iíll sit there, in the Arkells ( we were TE ST holders but Iím too old for all that standing and singing now) and Iíll make that 130 mile round trip to watch us gladly. As long as we have a club

Thanks for the ramblings - With all the negativity that surrounds the club at the moment you've captured why there is a future and why fans will return once all this shit is over.

It was Stoke away under Paolo for me.  Not for me but because my daughter who had shown little interest in going before then went to that game with me and has been hooked ever since.   Yes it's a form of child abuse getting them into this shit, but at the same time something that different generations can experience and care so pationately about together is utterly unique.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Robinz on Friday, April 16, 2021, 01:56:07
I also joined the Trust today.
My first game was standing in the Town End with my dad watching Jimmy Dickenson play for Pompey.   
This situation is so so wrong letting cockney [email protected] fuck over our once proud football club.
Like Banbury, I am totally aware this situation is going to end very badly and I think it will almost certainly finish the club.
Power was and is an opportunist no different to M Diamond, Jed and others who took the people of Swindon as mugs.
Thank goodness he was unable to buy the County Ground as well.
Stay well
COYMRs
 


Title: Re: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, April 16, 2021, 08:14:13
Nah he's sound

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Agree, spoke to him a few times and he is just excitable. He does need to reign in the whole wait and see type attitude but he is harmless enough


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: THE FLASH on Friday, April 16, 2021, 11:36:31
Iíve just signed up to the Trust. Like many here, itís a small thing to do in the grand scheme of things but something we feel necessary to do to make any difference we can

My affiliation with STFC is different to a lot of you. Iím not a Swindon native. Iíve no idea really the impact of the club on the local community. I became a Swindon fan through chance really. Parents divorced and my Dad moved to Swindon. Lived in Old Town. Way back when I was 15. We started going to games as a way to spend time together and became season tickets holders and went home and away.  In recent years our attendance has lessened, due to the normal reasons. Kids coming along, money that was spent at the football prioritised elsewhere. But our love for the club has never dipped

Swindon Town Football Club means a lot to me. It was a way to see my Dad. It was a distraction from being a child of a messy divorce. It was something I eventually fell in love with

Iím not quite sure the point Iím making here. I just felt like typing. I dont often on this forum. More of a reader. I guess the club helped me through a tough period of my life and itís been a huge factor ever since. To see whatís going on right now is heartbreaking. We all just want the club to do well

Whatever happens, Iíll be STFC for life now. When we can start to attend games again. Iíll be there. Likely on my own as my Dad wonít make many games these days. But Iíll sit there, in the Arkells ( we were TE ST holders but Iím too old for all that standing and singing now) and Iíll make that 130 mile round trip to watch us gladly. As long as we have a club

Too old for standing and singing!?

What about standing, moaning and hollering abuse?

If theres an age limit on that, im fucked!



Good post Fella.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, April 16, 2021, 11:46:29
Times like these the one positive is the Supporters unite.
Need to stick together, the Trust can act as the United voice as far as I am concerned.
Lots going on.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, April 16, 2021, 11:50:31
There's been quite a few bizarre statements from chairmen/owners in the past few weeks or months.

It's about time we had one of our own. And it is Friday...


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: china red on Friday, April 16, 2021, 11:59:58
Times like these the one positive is the Supporters unite.
Need to stick together, the Trust can act as the United voice as far as I am concerned.
Lots going on.

This


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: tans on Friday, April 16, 2021, 12:44:23
Anyway, happy 8th year anniversary of this tweet and facebook post.

Quote
Swindon Town Football Club can confirm Lee Power is an investor in the club and the 40-year old is at The County Ground tonight #STFC


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 16, 2021, 13:06:44
Quote from: tans
Anyway, happy 8th year anniversary of this tweet and facebook post.

Quote
Swindon Town Football Club can confirm Lee Power is an investor in the club and the 40-year old is at The County Ground tonight #STFC

good spot.

well not good ..


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Maidenhead Red on Friday, April 16, 2021, 13:08:49
Too old for standing and singing!?

What about standing, moaning and hollering abuse?

If theres an age limit on that, im fucked!



Good post Fella.

Thanks!

Maybe Iím not too old. Can always get onboard with a bit of moaning 😂


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: RobertT on Friday, April 16, 2021, 13:33:19
I don't believe Maidenhead, I think he has just read Fever Pitch but maybe  missed a few chapters.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: bathford on Friday, April 16, 2021, 13:46:34
Great Western Reds are working to remove sponser money from the club until Power is gone. Apparently 3 companies have already committed.

Iíve recently put a message from a sponsor on the Lee Power thread. Theyíre basically refusing to renew sponsorship.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Chunkyhair on Friday, April 16, 2021, 13:55:59
I just signed up for the Trust ,as has my son, and re-reading through the threads I would urge all who can to do so.  Seems to be the best/most sensible way to support the club at the moment. No more of my hard earned is going in the direction of Power (not that it has since renewing Season Ticket last year of course)


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: That Nestor Lorenzo Heade on Friday, April 16, 2021, 14:02:43
Maybe we should start a crowdfunder to build a fighting fund for the Trust (or in case things really go tits up for the club), and people could invest their season ticket money here instead, safe in the knowledge it isn't going to be pocketed by you-know-who.  Maybe sponsors could even put their money here too.

Bath City (yep them again) are doing this to help the club pay its fines and get ready for the new season, and have already raised over £14k.

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/bath-city-fc-bounce-back-appeal


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Power to people on Friday, April 16, 2021, 15:53:21
Maybe we should start a crowdfunder to build a fighting fund for the Trust (or in case things really go tits up for the club), and people could invest their season ticket money here instead, safe in the knowledge it isn't going to be pocketed by you-know-who.  Maybe sponsors could even put their money here too.

Bath City (yep them again) are doing this to help the club pay its fines and get ready for the new season, and have already raised over £14k.

https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/bath-city-fc-bounce-back-appeal

Maybe its worth waiting and seeing what happens with the answers from the judge, and then next week is the deadline for the pleas for the FA hearing, so I wonder if things may become a little more clearer then certainly once the judge has made the decision (was there any indication when this would be ?)


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 16, 2021, 15:56:17
But the court case may not happen for a year. Weíd be dead in the water by then.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, April 16, 2021, 17:49:29
Getting various notifications from companies house about stfc ltd today, are things afoot?

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Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Quagmire on Friday, April 16, 2021, 17:58:57
Someone called Deborah Carney is now in control of Swindon Town Football Compant Ltd according to Companies House.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: tans on Friday, April 16, 2021, 18:00:22
She was finance officer.

Not done a great job!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 16, 2021, 18:01:32
Here it is. Cessation, though


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: RJack on Friday, April 16, 2021, 18:04:45
http://www.checkcompany.co.uk/director/10539259/MRS-DEBORAH-LOUISE-CARNEY


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 16, 2021, 18:08:05
Power lackey


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, April 16, 2021, 18:09:30
Another rat leaving the sinking ship?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 16, 2021, 18:10:41
Iím not sure if sheís gone or taken over. Presume it canít be the latter as sheíd need to pass the EFL test,surely.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: RobertT on Friday, April 16, 2021, 18:18:57
Football related stalking is fun.

She is also part of Power Geneva Ltd - assume they have links from his horse racing.  Husband is a Finance Director at a Jewelry firm, previously HMV and they appear to live near nearby - he went to Banbury school if that helps any snoopers :-)


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 16, 2021, 18:20:23
Maybe sheís resigned due to the shenanigans.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: ron dodgers on Friday, April 16, 2021, 18:33:23
shenanigans - you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsMcdEswK8k


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Friday, April 16, 2021, 18:37:28
I'm confused, has she resigned or taken control?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: 4D on Friday, April 16, 2021, 18:39:55
The clue is in cessation  ;)


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Maidenhead Red on Friday, April 16, 2021, 18:40:30
I don't believe Maidenhead, I think he has just read Fever Pitch but maybe  missed a few chapters.

Having not read Fever Pitch Iím struggling with that reference, or Iím missing the joke completely


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 16, 2021, 18:43:49
there have been a few gone recently.

Ben Chorley went didn't he?
Brady is listed as a Waterford assistant.
I thought I've or two others too


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Maidenhead Red on Friday, April 16, 2021, 18:47:05
Having not read Fever Pitch Iím struggling with that reference, or Iím missing the joke completely

Ok having read the summary for Fever Pitch I get your joke now. Carry on 😂


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: That Nestor Lorenzo Heade on Friday, April 16, 2021, 18:53:50
Football related stalking is fun.

She is also part of Power Geneva Ltd - assume they have links from his horse racing.  Husband is a Finance Director at a Jewelry firm, previously HMV and they appear to live near nearby - he went to Banbury school if that helps any snoopers :-)

According to Companies House Deborah Carney resigned from Power Geneva Ltd on 15 June 2017.  It shows LP as the only current officer.  

Seebeck 87 Ltd officers are Steve Anderson (twice somehow), LP and Clem.  Swindon Town Football Company Ltd officers are LP and SA.

Swinton Red 20 Ltd officers are SA, LP and Clem.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Friday, April 16, 2021, 19:42:19
Football related stalking is fun.

She is also part of Power Geneva Ltd - assume they have links from his horse racing.  Husband is a Finance Director at a Jewelry firm, previously HMV and they appear to live near nearby - he went to Banbury school if that helps any snoopers :-)

Donít look at me.
Banburyís a shit hole I wanna go home.......


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Friday, April 16, 2021, 20:18:44
Hi All
We at the Trust have put a FAQ together regarding the ownership situation. Hope you find it helpful
https://truststfc.tv/swindon-town-fc-ownership-fans-faq/


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 16, 2021, 20:30:07
Jan, that's very interesting

especially the defected debenture being removed, and the proposed Able sale being £1 (but presumably with financial clawback to power somewhere)


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, April 16, 2021, 20:39:50
Jan, that's very interesting

especially the defected debenture being removed, and the proposed Able sale being £1 (but presumably with financial clawback to power somewhere)
Iím sure Clem with his 15p and Standing with his 42.5p would have been delighted with a sale! Iím sure Able would pay the club £1 and Power £7.5m. Is that even legal to knowingly undersell a business to deprive others?

Also interesting to see Standing owns half the golf course, too. Has Power even put a penny of his own money in?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: bamboonoclue on Friday, April 16, 2021, 20:57:45
The £1 thing is quite common in takeovers I thought? It's usually done with the commitment to take on board all related debts.

In this case, "Able" would have to pay off Standing (if the court case acted in MS favour)),
 and any other skeletons left by Lewisham/Lausanne Lee. This kind of means Power could walk away not owing anyone anything, having his planning persimmon for houses in tact and likely also make a last pay day with whatever he makes from selling  Payne, Twine & Doris the Tea lady (I wouldn't put it past him).

Oh and most likely setting up some kind of rental agreement with "Able" (or Clem or whoever) for use of his new training facility.

I can see STFC still being tied to the b'stard for a long time. Not bad "business" considering what an absolute clusterfuck has been made!


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, April 16, 2021, 20:59:02
The £1 sale thing adds a whole new complexion to this and makes it nigh on impossible to trust Able as what else would Power be getting from them?!

Unless of course itís £1 out of spite as Power will be found to own none of the club and will just make his money from the debenture...


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: JBZ on Friday, April 16, 2021, 21:03:07
I have read the trust's note. Being picky, I would a have dealt with some of the issues a bit differently but that's irrelevant.

One point that I have not been sure of is whether the parties sought an expedited trial of Standing's claim.  The court can, if considered appropriate, compress the litigation process so that the matter comes to trial much earlier than usual. There are certain factors that the court will take into account in light of recent case law.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, April 16, 2021, 21:11:26
Why the fucking hell would anybody accept 1 quid over 15 million quid?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: tans on Friday, April 16, 2021, 21:17:32
Iíll give the pound myself to get rid of the fucker


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: bamboonoclue on Friday, April 16, 2021, 21:21:05
Why the fucking hell would anybody accept 1 quid over 15 million quid?

Because the buyer usually takes on any/all of the associated debt too. We've seen £1 business buyouts before. In terms of "debt", specifically the £6m/£7m potentially owed to Standing. If Power knows he's going to lose and owe that amount/hand 42.5% of his share of the club over to MS, better to cut his losses and wipe his "debts" clear.

Not sure where your £15m valuation comes in though? Happy to understand where that has come from though, as I may have genuinely missed something :hmmm: (for Reg)


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: bamboonoclue on Friday, April 16, 2021, 21:22:06
Iíll give the pound myself to get rid of the fucker

I doubt you'll want all the associated skeletons and "debts" though Tans  :eek:


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: JanAirplaneMan on Friday, April 16, 2021, 21:23:14
Why the fucking hell would anybody accept 1 quid over 15 million quid?
In recent accounts power is owed 3.5m at least so by selling to make for 1 pound they would pay off all debts which would include paying back the loans owed to him as well as all other debt. Plus payment of the debenture which power has bought from Andrew Black which could be anything upto the original debenture vale circa 2mil (power paid peanuts for this from black)
So he in summary walks away with circa 5m and all other debts being paid by able ..


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: bamboonoclue on Friday, April 16, 2021, 21:27:46
Philip Green is a prime example of a "shyster" selling up a business for £1.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 17, 2021, 10:02:53
Theres a banner at the ground now


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, April 17, 2021, 10:04:37
Theres a banner at the ground now
Have they spelt Fat Cunt correctly?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: stfcjack on Saturday, April 17, 2021, 10:06:50
Just drove past the ground and itís gone already


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Saturday, April 17, 2021, 10:10:05

Theres a banner at the ground now

https://twitter.com/MuskToSTFC/status/1383313339720163329


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Frigby Daser on Saturday, April 17, 2021, 10:35:53
I think people need to get over the £1 sale issue. That is acceptable and standard for someone buying a loss-making business. If it was anything other than that, Iíd be asking questions, as it would follow that Power is demanding an element of early repayment for debts.

It is also not automatic that Power is repaid *all* of the debt/any loans. What we will never see is the Sale and Purchase Agreement, which has all of the detail, of which the purchase price is only one small part. If the SPA says that the buyer will pay £x to Power within Ďyí years, x may be far less than the full amount of debt to Power. Any sensible buyer will also make sure Power remains liable to pay for any gremlins that appear in the future. There will be a raft of other terms, all of which will govern what liabilities Power has, and what the new owners have.

I cannot wait to see the back of Power. Heís been a poisonous influence on our club, but a £1 sale is not necessarily a bad thing.


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: JBZ on Saturday, April 17, 2021, 11:09:27
I think it is fair to say that the intricacies can sometimes elude the average (or 'normal' to adopt the term oft used on this forum) supporter. 


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, April 17, 2021, 11:28:01
Why would Andrew Black sell his £2m debenture to Power for way less than its value?


Title: Re: The Club Charged By The FA
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 17, 2021, 11:31:25
Why would Andrew Black sell his £2m debenture to Power for way less than its value?

Some money better than none if it opens a sale up?
Tax loss?
Wants clean break on books?