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Title: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: 4D on Monday, January 25, 2021, 08:23:50
Well, let's hope Plymouth's away form continues, bottom of that particular league table. Although they won their last away league game  ::) They have also played 2 FA Cup ties in January.

I'll go....

3-2 to us/ frozen pitch (50/50).


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Monday, January 25, 2021, 08:58:01
hopefully rain/warmer temps will put paid to frozen pitch

1-1/waterlogged pitch


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, January 25, 2021, 09:07:48
Be surprised if it goes ahead. If it does, 2-1 win.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, January 25, 2021, 12:54:32
The weather is supposed to be 6 degrees and rain so it will probably go ahead if that is the case.

Plymouth were very poor in the first game down there but that was a long time ago now, Kovar and Grounds cost us the game when we could easily have got at least a draw, a poor sending off for Jonny Smith rounded off a shit night.

Their results have looked average at best since then and sit bang mid table with 8 wins and 30 points from the same number of games as us.

League form in the last 5 games has been
Muff - DLWDW
Ours - DLWLD

Their biggest scalp in their recent run of games was a win away at Sunderland where they were won 2-1 despite having just 37% possession and only having 3 shots all game. By contrast Sunderland had 14 shots and 5 on target, Sunderland made 525 passes and Plymouth little more than half that. Sounds a little bit like our game on Saturday at Charlton.

On current form a draw probably looks likely but Plymouth are certainly nothing to be feared and one of the sides we really should be beating, but we said the same about MKD and look how that ended!

Keep the 15 goal (13 league) Jephcott quiet and we will stand a good chance of getting a result.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: JBZ on Monday, January 25, 2021, 12:59:58
Two nil home win. Brace from Curran if he plays.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Tails on Monday, January 25, 2021, 13:26:44
I still have nightmares about Kovar and Grounds in the game up there earlier in the season. Shudder....


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Oldwembley69 on Monday, January 25, 2021, 13:48:42
Hunt available tomorrow along with new guy Tyrese Omotoye, confirmed by Wright

Looks like other loans can stay if they wish too


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Super Hans on Monday, January 25, 2021, 13:55:52
Pitch also fine supposedly.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, January 25, 2021, 14:07:42
I still have nightmares about Kovar and Grounds in the game up there earlier in the season. Shudder....
'Up' there, christ where do you live ?.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: 4D on Monday, January 25, 2021, 14:12:21
Eddystone lighthouse?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Monday, January 25, 2021, 14:25:29
Hunt available tomorrow along with new guy Tyrese Omotoye, confirmed by Wright

Looks like other loans can stay if they wish too
That was a very strange way of putting it by Wright. I read that as a statement saying they can stay if they want to, but we aren't going to play them unless we have to.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, January 25, 2021, 15:29:06
They most likely aren't going to play them. 5-3-2 for the rest of the season  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, January 25, 2021, 16:01:01
That was a very strange way of putting it by Wright. I read that as a statement saying they can stay if they want to, but we aren't going to play them unless we have to.

But also don't dare suggest that this might be a way of potentially "forcing out" some loan players. By changing to a system that doesn't fit them properly. Cos you know they were really nice about it and said;

'well you can stay if you want (but we'll make it incredibly difficult for you).'

I know nothing as usual, in the minds of some on here  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: RobertT on Monday, January 25, 2021, 19:08:13
I would not be at all surprised to see us end-up settling on the 3-5-2 formation based on some of the previous games.  It certainly seems Sheridan is a paint by numbers Manager and he has tried it before already.  Even his latest 4-5-1 effort has a central midfielder out wide.

He saw we had issues defending and has likely decided adding numbers in the middle is the answer.  It's pretty evident we haven't spent much time worrying about style of play as we've gradually abandoned anything Wellens brought to the table - things like the central midfielder dropping into full back positions when we have the ball in defence as a way of building possession.

Freeman and Thompson both look like a good fit for wing back roles and we have a bounty of central defenders now.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, January 25, 2021, 20:50:19
I would not be at all surprised to see use end-up settling on the 3-5-2 formation based on some of the previous games.  It certainly seems Sheridan is a paint by numbers Manager and he has tried it before already.  Even his latest 4-5-1 effort has a central midfielder out wide.

He saw we had issues defending and has likely decided adding numbers in the middle is the answer.  It's pretty evident we haven't spent much time worrying about style of play as we've gradually abandoned anything Wellens brought to the table - things like the central midfielder dropping into full back positions when we have the ball in defence as a way of building possession.

Freeman and Thompson both look like a good fit for wing back roles and we have a bounty of central defenders now.

5-3-2 into 3-5-2 (with Freeman & Thompson advancing to FWB role).


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: STFC no2 fan on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 01:10:15
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=swindon+v+sunderland+1989+wembley&&view=detail&mid=8B40593C18718A8E99268B40593C18718A8E9926&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dswindon%2Bv%2Bsunderland%2B1989%2Bwembley%26FORM%3DHDRSC4

That bamboon guy talks so much shite. Found this 1989 clip on YT. Best atmosphere at a Town game at half time as a 10 year old with all the lads screaming 'We are Ossie's R and W Army'
Bamboon bell end


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 08:45:42
Full moon last night?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 09:07:15
Full moon last night?

Still waxing gibbous last night but I think its full tonight. I was staring at it much of the night so as to avoid reading or posting gibberish on here!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 10:15:13
1st sign of Madness is Suggs walking down your path.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: river monster on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 10:18:31
Freeman needs to get fit quick if he is to be wing back, thought I read somewhere that he said he was out of breath after 30mins on Saturday!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 10:27:17
Full moon last night?

Pissed.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 10:29:21
Freeman needs to get fit quick if he is to be wing back, thought I read somewhere that he said he was out of breath after 30mins on Saturday!
He himself said after 10 mins!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 10:33:24
1st sign of Madness is Suggs walking down your path.


 :bye: :bye: :bye:


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 10:35:55
Quote from: river monster
Freeman needs to get fit quick if he is to be wing back, thought I read somewhere that he said he was out of breath after 30mins on Saturday!

he was positionally poor and slow. obviously his basic fitness is a missive issue. not sure I'd play him twice in a week but I'm pretty sure he will be starting.

not to say he won't come good


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: river monster on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 10:39:08

Bloody hell. Got to wonder if he'll start then. Unless he can play in a back 3. Wing back is usually for the fittest players on the pitch...


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 10:43:12

 :bye: :bye: :bye:
Welcome Mr Madness :)


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 10:45:57
If we could play 90 minutes as we played the first 45 on Saturday we'll annialate them.  However, this is Swindon.    Hopefully they'll be shagged out after their efforts at the weekend and we can break the midweek voodo.  First time in ages I've invested in 'ifollow's kitty twice in a week so expecting value for money. Looking forward to seeing the new boys start to gel and propel us up the league.   2-0 win would do nicely.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 11:04:32
Be good not to concede 2 (or more) goals.

Is it 7 midweek games and 7 losses?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 11:10:58
Is it 7 midweek games and 7 losses?

Yep.

Reckon we'll win tonight. 3-1, goals contributed from the Norwich boys


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 11:18:16
Be good not to concede 2 (or more) goals.

Is it 7 midweek games and 7 losses?
Our midweek games so far.

Even worse if you take into account the PJT games, even though we won one of them at FGR, its depressing reading.

1 win in 10 midweek games and 9 losses 5 home losses and 4 away.

L h WBA 2-3 PJT
L h Exeter 3-4 PJT
L a Northampton 1-2
W a FGR 1-0 PJT
L a Plymouth 2-4
L h Accrington 0-3
L h Lincoln 0-1
L a Crewe 2-4
L a Doncaster 1-2
L h MK 1-4


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 11:20:48
I know it goes hand in hand with the actual results but those were probably the worst performances as well.

Weird stat.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 11:51:19
I know it goes hand in hand with the actual results but those were probably the worst performances as well.

Weird stat.
Absolutely horrible reading TBH.

The only positive Tuesday game was away at FGR when we played 3 CB's, coincidence as the rumours about how we will set up from now on? I don't think so.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 12:39:28
so are we going with Conroy, Masterson and Curran as the 3 centre backs tonight 😲

assume this is where the Evans link comes from


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: china red on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 13:03:25
What’s the weather like in Swindon today?  Good chance the game is on?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 13:04:33
Currently 4c and the snow has 90% melted.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 13:41:50
What’s the weather like in Swindon today?  Good chance the game is on?

If its not on, the ground staff must have had the week off.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 14:32:01
If its not on, the ground staff must have had the week off.

It’s gone from ice to water.
Would be surprised if it was off tonight.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 14:46:00
Guess that the club wouldn't get away with the treacherous conditions on the approaches to the ground excuse for calling the game off.
Could do with buying some time for the team to get over the collective Achievemephobia.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: leftside on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 14:52:54
A completely unfathomable 1-0


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Super Hans on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 15:01:22
A sensational 4-1 demolition job with a hatty for the new lad.



Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 15:14:53
A sensational 4-1 demolition job with a hatty for the new lad.



Now that would be nice!


Title: Re: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Benzel on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 15:15:43
Guess that the club wouldn't get away with the treacherous conditions on the approaches to the ground excuse for calling the game off.
Could do with buying some time for the team to get over the collective Achievemephobia.
I think it was Bradford or somewhere like that, that had a game off for that very reason last week

Sent from my CLT-L09


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 15:37:40
That bamboon guy talks so much shite. Found this 1989 clip on YT. Best atmosphere at a Town game at half time as a 10 year old with all the lads screaming 'We are Ossie's R and W Army'
Bamboon bell end

Trip down memory lane watching that.
Trying to convince my son how good we were and had it all pulled from under us.
Gutted
#thefootballleagueisfullofshit.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 15:59:38
They want to play this in the changing room pre match  :)

https://youtu.be/m8RtlqFgiG8


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 16:06:18
1-0 but it will be the hope that still gets us. Twine with a departing bow from outside the box.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 16:49:23
Win. 3-2


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 16:55:34
I have a strange feeling we might see that rarest of beasts, a clean sheet.

2-0.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 17:00:45
Quote from: Broadbents Tackle
I have a strange feeling we might see that rarest of beasts, a clean sheet.

2-0.

😲😲😲😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: kirky69 on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 17:23:55
Surely we must win on a Tuesday at some stage, so why not tonight? Plymouth are beatable, they play an expansive style which should suit our counter-attacking, so if we avoid the individual defensive errors that have plagued us this season,  I expect us to deliver 3 points and a move out of the relegation zone, perhaps albeit temporarily given the trip to Hull on Saturday.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Miles Mayhem on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 17:24:06
I have a strange feeling we might see that rarest of beasts, a clean sheet.

2-0.

Why would you lie to us all?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 17:59:02
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EsrELCBXYAAZgDG?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:00:02
Doesn't look 532 ot 352 to me.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:00:24
Where did all the smiths go?


Title: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:00:54
Rob Hunt straight in. no Freeman, Odimayo or caddis in the bench.

er, ok

edit: ok Freeman is, sorry


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:01:05
Quote from: Peter Venkman
Doesn't look 532 ot 352 to me.

nope


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:01:26
Certainly looks exciting.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:01:32
Fuck me, he’s seen sense with having a GK on the bench.

Wheres Odimayo? Caddis?

Again the competition winner is on the bench


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:01:45
Rob Hunt straight in. no Freeman, Odimayo or caddis in the bench.

er, ok
Freeman is.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:02:00
433, Hope, DJ & Motoye up top, two of them sitting wide I guess?  Who knows, Sheridan doesn't know there names, let alone where they play.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:02:06
yeah, just edited my post


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:02:23
I think you can assume that's the end of J Smith. The ball boy on the bench ahead of Odimayo which is beyond farcical!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:03:10
ball boy=home grown quota


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:04:04
ball boy=home grown quota

How many home grown do you need?

Matthews and Twine are also?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:04:26
Twine is in the team, so no need to have Curran on the bench for that reason.

Actually, could be a 4-2-4!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:05:48
How many home grown do you need?

Matthews and Twine are also?
Yep, Curran shouldn't be there, its not on merit.

Also if Will Evans actually does come he qualifies too as home grown.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:05:53
good points


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:06:45
If we are getting beat after a very even first 5 minutes, does he sacrifice Lyden for Pitman and go 4-1-5?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:07:15
Yep, Curran shouldn't be there, its not on merit.

Also if Will Evans actually does come he qualifies too as home grown.
Well lets hope we don't need to worry about Will Evans coming here!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:09:08
Certainly looks exciting.

If we keep a clean sheet tonight it would make a mockery of the entire season.  3-3 it has to be.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:10:45
If we keep a clean sheet tonight
Don't worry we wont :)


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:13:16
so what's the home grown quota needed on a match team sheet?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:13:58
so what's the home grown quota needed on a match team sheet?
1 in the matchday squad or we have to leave an empty place on the bench.

https://www.efl.com/news/2019/february/club-developed-rule-benefiting-young-players/


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:18:37
The proof in the Curran pudding will be whether or not he miraculously disappears from matchday squads in the aftermath of Power (presumably) losing next month's court case.

If Power does lose I'd expect Curran's contract to be paid up pretty sharpish.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:29:29
Just one minor point to reiterate - if the Standing v Power claim does come to trial next month, it is likely that the parties won't get judgment there and then.  It may take a few months.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:30:45
God knows what Odimayo has done to piss Sheridan off. Is his contract up at the end of the season? Sure there was talk around Xmas about tying him down with a new one.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:34:26
he may be injured yet. let's chill until we know for sure


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: MangoRed on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:50:08
Is it that hard to understand why Curran, a player who looks like he belongs on the 8th on 9th tier of the football pyramid, is being selected over Odimayo?

Stop speculating and wake up ffs.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:51:51
God knows what Odimayo has done to piss Sheridan off. Is his contract up at the end of the season? Sure there was talk around Xmas about tying him down with a new one.
Sheridan gets beaten with a lot of sticks but I don't think it's fair to whack him around the head with this one.

A perfectly honest pro is missing out every week as things stand due to an issue that, at least to me, looks out of Sheridan's hands.

He's been in football long enough to know a dud when he sees one. Curran is in because he's got to be, not on merit.The situation is a fucking joke & one which I've never seen the funny side of.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:55:30
Quote from: MangoRed
Is it that hard to understand why Curran, a player who looks like he belongs on the 8th on 9th tier of the football pyramid, is being selected over Odimayo?

Stop speculating and wake up ffs.

quite. I don't think you'll get arguments


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:57:17
Sheridan gets beaten with a lot of sticks but I don't think it's fair to whack him around the head with this one.

A perfectly honest pro is missing out every week as things stand due to an issue that, at least to me, looks out of Sheridan's hands.

He's been in football long enough to know a dud when he sees one. Curran is in because he's got to be, not on merit.The situation is a fucking joke & one which I've never seen the funny side of.

We rarely give 3 year deals .....ohh wait a minute.
It’s an absolute disgrace and a farce. Sooner Power can fuck off the better and this winds me up beyond belief. The players know the score and that alone does not help in the dressing room.
Just have to get on with it.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:57:41
We rarely give 3 year deals .....ohh wait a minute.
It’s an absolute disgrace and a farce. Sooner Power can fuck off the better and this winds me up beyond belief. The players know the score and that alone does not help in the dressing room.
Just have to get on with it.

This.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 18:58:46
Hope we batter the muff tonight


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:02:46
1st corner to Town.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:03:20
That bamboon guy talks so much shite. Found this 1989 clip on YT. Best atmosphere at a Town game at half time as a 10 year old with all the lads screaming 'We are Ossie's R and W Army'
Bamboon bell end

Are you the left or right sock that Wellens still wanks into?  :hmmm:
Nostalgic vid though, all the same.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:06:32
Unmarked header from corner headed off the line by Palmer.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:09:15
Muff shoot over the bar from the edge of the area, no need to save that.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:11:24
good hit Hunt


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:13:43
2nd corner to Town.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:14:33
Decent delivery from Palmer but no Town player can get a head on it.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:15:27
Ref actually got a grip on the fouls so far, letting the game flow when he can.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:16:49
end to end.

Plymouth have a lot of peace on the break


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:17:50
We don't have a defender who is actually decent in the air, Plymouth Gargoyles looking likely to score from every corner so far.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:20:05
We don't seem to be able to find any space anywhere.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:20:28
Omotoye hasn't timed his runs very well so far.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:20:33
We keep on losing the ball too easily.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:21:19
Better run by Omotoye then but his pass can't find a Town player in the box.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:21:27
Great feet from DJ there.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:21:41
Or find more than one pass foward.


Title: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:21:50
omotoye looks very mobile. he's going to be knackered after 65!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:22:03
Ref actually got a grip on the fouls so far, letting the game flow when he can.

Bobby Madley?
If so, good ref at this level.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:23:37
Palmer was criminal just stopping there.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Ticker45 on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:23:43
After a bright start we now look like a disjointed rabble.


Title: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:23:53
phew, Palmer was robbed and that was a let off.
no foul there


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: welshred on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:24:10
We look fucking awful. Just lumped on an away win.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:24:50
just me? I don't think we've been that bad


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:25:57
I think we have done ok, not good but not that bad, better going forwards than defending though.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:26:14
Our balls into the box are hopeful. And so far hopeless. And Hope-less.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:26:51
Palmer, Twine and Lyden looking a bit lightweight in the middle of the park, Muff are pressing us well though and always have 8 players back when we get near their box.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:27:38
Our balls into the box are hopeful. And so far hopeless. And Hope-less.
TBF I just noticed Hope was playing, and that was defending in our box.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:28:01
yeah, agreed the quality isn't there at the moment.

DJ not quite on it yet, that run side.

can't get twine into the game. not blaming him for that though


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:28:25
Are we at home?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:28:46
Muff looking far more comfortable than they did in the game down there, they are pressign us all over the pitch but they still look suspect at the back.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:29:49
Lyden good ball to Twine but he cant push off the challenge on the edge of the box.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:29:50
We need to get better delivery going forward. DJ running up blind alleyways again.

Defence still looks nervous and likely to concede.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:31:13
Yet another muff corner.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:31:31
Quote from: Red Frog
Are we at home?

on a Tuesday ...

what did you expect!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: welshred on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:32:41
We look dodgy from corners, and we have absolutely no shape at all. Huge gaps between midfield and attack.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:33:55
We are missing the running of Matt Smith in midfield today, the ball seems to be bypassing Twine today a lot.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: welshred on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:34:44
Desperately miss the attacking intent we used to have.


Title: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:35:03
normal service resumed

0-1


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:35:07
0-1


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:35:07
Why is Smith M not playing?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Stef Troll on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:35:51
Been coming. Started well but Plymouth been bossing it


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:35:57
It doesnt seem to matter who we have playing we are so easy to play through.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:36:03
Midfield not confident on the ball to keep it or go forward with it.

Goal is coming.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:36:08
Quote from: adje
Why is Smith M not playing?

Answers on a postcard to London W12 8QT


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: welshred on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:36:09
If this continues tonight, fucking Sheridan has to fuck off. It’s nowhere near good enough.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:36:13
it's been coming .

And we needed to go in even.

Not looking like scoring ourselves


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:36:42
Overrun in midfield


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:37:16
soapy tit wank, we are so shit.
Twine has been anonymous.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:37:20
I don't like the new style at all, but it's remarkable the degree to which Sheridan has changed our style and our personnel from Wellensball. Ripped up and started again. Basically only Hunt and DJ on the pitch were Wellens regulars.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:38:33
I think you can assume that's the end of J Smith. The ball boy on the bench ahead of Odimayo which is beyond farcical!

I said the other day about loans being forced out or made difficult for them. One already gone that you didn't want in Jonny Smith. We contrast in opinion on him but for different reasons he'll be better off at another L1 club. Could see him rolling up at Bristol Rovers.

As for M.Smith, already mentioned it but whether folk on here want to believe it...oh look no Caddy either (a given).

Still think Town will somehow get a sneaky win...


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:38:41
Just can’t hold the ball again.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:38:50
I take it back. we are a disjointed mess at the moment. . desperately need a lucky one to go in from somewhere


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:39:23
I don't like the new style at all, but it's remarkable the degree to which Sheridan has changed our style and our personnel from Wellensball. Ripped up and started again. Basically only Hunt and DJ on the pitch were Wellens regulars.

What even is the style? I don’t see any game plan what so ever.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:39:37
Twine and Hope not at the races today, Lyden coming into it a bit more and Palmer isn't making much impact so far.

Wrong tactics so far TBH, no midfield, they are over running us there and pressing us in our half well.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:40:49
I said the other day about loans being forced out or made difficult for them. One already gone that you didn't want in Jonny Smith. We contrast in opinion on him but for different reasons he'll be better off at another L1 club. Could see him rolling up at Bristol Rovers.

As for M.Smith, already mentioned it but whether folk on here want to believe it...oh look no Caddy either (a given).

Still think Town will somehow get a sneaky win...

You're very optimistic Boo😁


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:40:57
I don't like the new style at all, but it's remarkable the degree to which Sheridan has changed our style and our personnel from Wellensball. Ripped up and started again. Basically only Hunt and DJ on the pitch were Wellens regulars.
Style? What style. This is the most unstylish team we’ve had for ages. Can’t really argue with the personnel too much.

Just one person responsible for this shambles.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: leftside on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:41:41
A completely unfathomable 1-0
What were you thinking?!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:42:04
What even is the style? I don’t see any game plan what so ever.

Ah come on, it's proper shit but you can see the stylistic difference, we play super narrow defence now, we've stopped pressing and we get it front to back much faster than before. There's a plan, even if it isn't a very good one. Continuity Wellens it isn't!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:42:13
It’s quite interesting to watch the moment in each players mind when they track a player, where they think “fuck this”. This side looks like it has zero belief.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:42:18
Plymouth are not a good side but are playing as a team with a set style and everyone knows what is expected of them and where they should be at all times.

We on the other hand look like Sheridan just said go out and try your best.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: welshred on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:42:33
Style? What style. This is the most unstylish team we’ve had for ages. Can’t really argue with the personnel too much.

Just one person responsible for this shambles.

Our style is to knock it about at the back then when pressed panic pass it back to the keeper who hoofs it to our lone striker who can’t win a header and then lose the ball.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:43:07
get it back to front quicker = hoof?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:43:24
Give me Wellens style any day of the week


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:45:30
We make every pass a 50/50 ball.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:45:53
But Wellens was winging it?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:46:05
get it back to front quicker = hoof?

Yes, although without a target man it's more through balls and balls into space. The ones that go through the middle we're seemingly after second balls rather than ones you might expect a big target man to win.

We also cross more than under any manager I remember since Sturrock.

Again, I don't like this style and we're not really that good at it, but we do have one.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:46:25
The Muff defender Opoku is pulling Omotoye all over the place, very canny defending being just about legal or out the view of the ref all the time.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Rapidflyer on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:46:34
Plymouth are not a good side but are playing as a team with a set style and everyone knows what is expected of them and where they should be at all times.

We on the other hand look like Sheridan just said go out and try your best.

Agreed, Both Plymouth backs are slow and very little attacking threat , I would like to see Payne & M Smith to inject some pace in midfield....


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:46:52
Plymouth are not a good side but are playing as a team with a set style and everyone knows what is expected of them and where they should be at all times.

We on the other hand look like Sheridan just said go out and try your best.

JJ any idea what our worst home loss stats are in a season as we could well beat it the way things are going under Sheriden


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:47:09
HT 0-1 poor tactically by Town.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:47:42
Sack Sheridan to save the season


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:48:18
Some good flashes that show we have some talented players, but little in between.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:48:29
HT 0-1 poor tactically by Town.

This,
No threat and being closed down.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Ticker45 on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:48:38
My thinking is that this is a clever ploy by the team to get Sheridan sacked as I cannot see why professionals should be so abjectly and consistently bad.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:48:55
You're very optimistic Boo😁
Well it's more that win lose or draw, it won't even paper over the evident chasm of a proper technical setup. There is none. It's basics from the management team. A level one coach could implement the things JS&Co have done. Essentially, pick a formation and maybe plan some subs. The rest is, off you go lads play it as you see it...


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:49:11
Another inept half by a side devoid of confidence and direction


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:49:26
The Muff defender Opoku is pulling Omotoye all over the place, very canny defending being just about legal or out the view of the ref all the time.

This is why we needed experience rather than a untried young lad at league one level.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:50:30
Drab and dour performance thus far.

This looks to me like a team going down.

While we look a bit more compact and solid in defence, but we are creating very little.

We don't seem to be stringing too many passes together, nor do we seem to be creating space.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:50:37
Sheridan is a reverse King Midas - everything he touches turns to shit.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:51:00
Well it's more that win lose or draw, it won't even paper over the evident chasm of a proper technical setup. There is none. It's basics from the management team. A level one coach could implement the things JS&Co have done. Essentially, pick a formation and maybe plan some subs. The rest is, off you go lads play it as you see it...

I reckon your ex Shrewsbury mate would do a better job😀


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:51:21
Well that was just nervy pinball. Too little shape, midfield getting bypassed, little composure. Don’t know if we have it in us to calm things down and pass it around in the second half. Not betting the house on it. Looking like a poor team.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:51:33
This is why we needed experience rather than a untried young lad at league one level.

He's on the bench


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:51:56
But Wellens was winging it?

Wellens got lucky on top of being an ok to maybe good coach but he did have something Sheridan doesn't and that is technical nous.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:52:13
If we had anything about us as a club Sheridan would be gone in the morning. Between him and Wellens they put together a squad that seems devoid of the ability to do the basics of football.

Sheridan’s ‘tactics’ seem to be dictated by a magic 8 ball as there’s clearly no cohesive plan behind them. He just scrambles around from one week to the next hoping to stumble across something that works, it’s at the point now where we can’t even work out what system and formation we are playing.

With the exception of the Ipswich match we’ve been garbage for the almost the entirety of his time in charge, he wouldn’t get away with this anywhere else!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:52:33
He's on the bench

But unfit and not interested!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:52:46
JJ any idea what our worst home loss stats are in a season as we could well beat it the way things are going under Sheriden
Not a record I can remember but overall defeats in a season in recent(ish) years have been.
2016-17 we had 24 defeats in 46 games
1996-97 we had 22 defeats in 46 games
1994-95 we had 22 defeats in 46 games
1993-94 we had 22 defeats in 42 games

If we lose today it will be 16 defeats in just 25 games, not good reading.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: welshred on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:53:00
100%. Time to get rid if we stand ANY chance of staying in this division. Team looks shot to pieces.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:53:38
Agreed, Both Plymouth backs are slow and very little attacking threat , I would like to see Payne & M Smith to inject some pace in midfield....

If only there was someone on the bench to keep their left hand side quiet/distract their gameplan :)


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:53:46
Wellens got lucky on top of being an ok to maybe good coach but he did have something Sheridan doesn't and that is technical nous.

Ah he got lucky, ok then


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:53:56
Man for man, this is a pretty good squad now. Travers, Thompson, Conroy, Masterson, M Smith, Lyden, Palmer, DJ, Twine all look good enough, and there are a few others than could join that group with a bit of instruction and confidence.

Someone, Power or otherwise, has put their money where their mouth is this window. Now it's over to the coach.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:54:28
I’m not one to sack managers at the first sign, but Sheridan has to go. There are players out there playing so far below their ability it is frightening.

I hope this ages badly over the next hour.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:54:40
Not a record I can remember but overall defeats in a season in recent(ish) years have been.
2016-17 we had 24 defeats in 46 games
1996-97 we had 22 defeats in 46 games
1994-95 we had 22 defeats in 46 games
1993-94 we had 22 defeats in 42 games

If we lose today it will be 16 defeats in just 25 games, not good reading.


Cheers JJ and dismal reading and hard to see it changing with the status quo in charge


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:54:50
The only positive is that it's only 0-1.

I think the back 4 & Lyden have been sound enough but no linking further up bar DJ and Thompson who  are well marked.

Omo boy ineffectual and quite wrong to subject a pacey if naive young lad to this hoofball.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:54:51
Some good flashes that show we have some talented players, but little in between.

Not sure I'm seeing of this sadly.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:55:00
Sheridan is a reverse King Midas - everything he touches turns to shit.
Its called the Sadim touch.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:56:07
I reckon your ex Shrewsbury mate would do a better job😀

Lolz don't start them off.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:56:22
I’m not one to sack managers at the first sign, but Sheridan has to go. There are players out there playing so far below their ability it is frightening.

I hope this ages badly over the next hour.

I'd take Holloway until the end of the season over Sheriden


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:56:44
Well, what a shambles.
Every time Plymouth come forward it is predictable send a ball down the left Mahor has the beating of everyone and is almost walking the ball into the box.
Were not winning many second balls playing ridiculous passes and showing very little interest. Has he lost the dressing room? Because this performance is woeful.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:57:01
Lolz don't start them off.

You were right all along :clap:


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:58:08
Not sure he ever found the dressing room in order to lose it.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:58:15
Is it me or is the site very slow tonight?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:59:24
Is it me or is the site very slow tonight?
Its the large amount of visitors slowing it down a bit, I had trouble posting earlier in the MDT.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:59:28
we can still get something out of this.

we have had good 45 minutes even under Sheridan.

but not does he need to make changes to this formation, if not personnel


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:59:33
Sheridan may be a good coach for all I know, but the evidence is pretty compelling that he either isn't or he isn't interested in doing it here.

The fact we changed formation again, and personnel, just smacks of a throw some shit at the wall approach and see if we get a different result.

All "style" has unraveled, we are just sending out a bunch of players with some pretty basic instructions for defending (it seems) and then hoping they figure out how to attack between themselves.

What a mess we continue to be.  I don't like Wellens' departure, and he fucked up this seasons recruitment (or had a hand in it), but he'd be able to get enough out of this group of individuals to stay up, that is for sure.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:59:46
Ah he got lucky, ok then

Don't be a dickhead, that's very unlike you. I didn't out and out say that did I? Come on Berni, you of many are much much better than that. Of course he got some luck but I didn't nail that down as the only part to his success. But feel free just to ignore the rest of the response. Very out of character.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 19:59:54
Not a good half, second best all over the pitch.  Concede another and pretty sure heads will drop.  Urgently need a goal, don't care about
how it goes in, they way things stand at the moment  we're on the Titanic and only going one way.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:01:10
Is it me or is the site very slow tonight?
No. It's just the way we are playing.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:01:15
I can understand changing things formation wise to counter the opposition, or play to the strengths of the available players.

but it hasn't worked. needs changing


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:02:04
FFS Curran coming.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:02:19
Indeed. Changes coming. Matt Smith and ffuuuuuck, could be Curran


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:02:31
And Matt Smith.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:02:40
That is top trolling from Sheridan tbf. I'm almost too amused to be furious.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:03:02
Good news at last. 3-5-2


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:03:09
FFS Curran coming.

It seems like Halloween and April fools day combined🤣


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:03:13
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

He’s fucking lost it


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:03:19
Curran fuck off Sheridan you twat.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:03:24
I can understand changing things formation wise to counter the opposition, or play to the strengths of the available players.

but it hasn't worked. needs changing

But he keeps doing it, almost every game is a change.  The team must have no time to work on a pattern of play if it is different every week.  The game after Ispwich he thought he'd cracked it, so he didn't make a change in players, when he probably could have.  It smacks of a Manager who is not really leading or held to account.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:03:37
FFS Curran coming.
You gotta laugh. What poor sod has got replaced by Oleg McNoleg


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:03:57
FFS Curran coming.
He's having a laugh !!.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:04:08
Man for man, this is a pretty good squad now. Travers, Thompson, Conroy, Masterson, M Smith, Lyden, Palmer, DJ, Twine all look good enough, and there are a few others than could join that group with a bit of instruction and confidence.

Someone, Power or otherwise, has put their money where their mouth is this window. Now it's over to the coach.

I honestly believe, you put anyone else in charge that isn't a complete dinosaur and you will see a miraculous turn in improvement and interest from these players. Some might even suddenly recover from "injuries" too.

I'd refuse to perform to my potential under JS too in all honesty.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: welshred on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:04:08
CURRAN COMING ON  :clap:

I’m now 90% certain that Sheridan is just here to troll us all. Well played Shezza, well played.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:05:01
That is top trolling from Sheridan tbf. I'm almost too amused to be furious.
Indeed.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:06:49
I'm done, we are an absolute laughing stock!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:07:26
To his credit, it needed changing...


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:08:22
I'm done, we are an absolute laughing stock!

Not really, nobody but us are watching or cares


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:08:24
To his credit, it needed changing...
No problem with taking off Twine for Matt Smith, no problem taking off Hope. Both needed doing.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:09:01
Well that's the first bottle of wine gone ........


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:09:05
Good job there no fans in the ground "you don't know what your doing" would be echoing around the stands :bye:


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:09:11
That’s me done tonight.



Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:09:55
Good job there no fans in the ground "you don't know what your doing" would be echoing around the stands :bye:

You never know, Pitman might start it still...


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:11:17
That Thompson free kick summed up the evening.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: welshred on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:11:19
That not a booking?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:11:53
What a waste!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:11:59
That not a booking?

For abuse of the Town End roof?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:12:04
Quote from: Red Frog
To his credit, it needed changing...

it did. no arguments there


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:12:05
I was only intending to have one glass of wine tonight.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:12:07
Is Curran up front?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: welshred on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:12:21
For abuse of the Town End roof?

That was a red.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:12:21
I will say it now, why the fucking fuck didnt Matt Smith not start today?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:12:53
Is Curran up front?
Nope back 3.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: welshred on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:13:04
I will say it now, why the fucking fuck didnt Matt Smith not start today?

He's shown more energy than the whole starting 11 in the first 10 minutes of the second half.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:13:07
I will say it now, why the fucking fuck didnt Matt Smith not start today?
I did ask! 😊


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:13:31
Highlight of the evening so far: discovering Blackpool have a player of the surname Virtue-Thick.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:13:58
I'm done, we are an absolute laughing stock!

You said that before yet you keep coming back.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:14:00
Great block from Travers.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:14:27
Looks like another chance to move up to 18th going to waste.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:14:28
Highlight of the evening so far: discovering Blackpool have a player of the surname Virtue-Thick.
We have many virtually thicks


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:14:45
good if comfortable save from Travers

I take it back, Conroy got a great block in I think


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:15:11
3 centre backs and still they have a free man and should score, Conroys basically covering Curran leaving Plymouth space.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:16:40
Has there ever been a "Curran situation" at any other club that anyone knows of?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:17:03
It's nice to have a goalkeeper that looks to be relatively solid and who makes good decisions.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:17:34
Has there ever been  "Curran situation" at any other club that anyone knows of?

You may remember Harry Agombar?

Also a lot of managers sons, but that's not quite the same.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:17:47
Has there ever been  "Curran situation" at any other club that anyone knows of?

Blair Sturrock at clubs managed by his father?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:18:08
It's nice to have a goalkeeper that looks to be relatively solid and who makes good decisions.
It is. But it doesn't seem to be ultimately hoping!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:18:21
living dangerously. weather the storm town, come on


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:18:59
Plenty of time left


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:19:00
You may remember Harry Agombar?

Also a lot of managers sons, but that's not quite the same.
Yes of course, but I meant at any other clubs


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Ticker45 on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:19:11
I had the feeling that Twine looked a little disinterested tonight which makes me wonder about all the transfer talk and does it have some momentum?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:19:26
Blair Sturrock at clubs managed by his father?
the name Rogers springs to mind.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:19:52
living dangerously. weather the storm town, come on
I am surprised its still only 1-0, Plymouth are a bang average side so what does that tell you about us.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:20:11
I'm not enjoying this game. We are making a poor side look good!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:20:46
I am surprised its still only 1-0, Plymouth are a bang average side so what does that tell you about us.
Everything.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:20:47
I'm not enjoying this game. We are making a poor side look good!
They are indeed poor but they have shape and tactics on their side.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:20:57
Quote from: Peter Venkman
Quote
living dangerously. weather the storm town, come on
I am surprised its still only 1-0, Plymouth are a bang average side so what does that tell you about us.


that we are only a good striker away from being a mid table side 🤣🤣🤣


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Cookie on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:21:42
That Norwich kid looks well out of his depth.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:22:04
They are indeed poor but they have shape and tactics on their side.
Aah, those old luxuries, shape and tactics😊


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:22:10
I will say it again, the ref is having a very good game so far.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:22:28
Quote from: Cookie
That Norwich kid looks well out of his depth.

think that's harsh.

don't see yet what he offers over Tyler Smith though. but early days


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:22:38
We're playing Curran as the centre of the back 3, surely this is just intentionally to wind us up now?!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:22:54
Aah, those old luxuries, shape and tactics😊
I remember the old days!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: welshred on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:23:00
That Norwich kid looks well out of his depth.

Mate all the ones in red look out of their depth.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:23:13
I am surprised its still only 1-0, Plymouth are a bang average side so what does that tell you about us.


that we are only a good striker away from being a mid table side 🤣🤣🤣
But who want to  come here ?.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:23:40
Good shot and decent save from DJ on the edge of the box.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:23:41
Great quality from DJ.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:23:47
great run from DJ.

unfortunately a good save to match


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:23:55
Great work from DJ, good save from Plymouth. The epitome of "fuck it, I'll do it myself".


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:24:06
We created a chance!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:24:06
Pitman on for Omotoye.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:24:14
come in pitman, come on


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: welshred on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:24:22
Great run and shot.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:24:34
We created a chance!

Through a talented player doing it solo, not a system chance by any means.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:24:36
0-2


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:24:41
0-2


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: welshred on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:24:51
PITMAN HAS SHAVED!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:24:53
game over


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:25:04
[this post contains a very, very loud sigh]


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:25:18
What the fuck was that!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Ticker45 on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:25:28
I'm not enjoying this game. We are making a poor side look good!

We are making them look like effing Brazil!



Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:25:31
keeping up with the average of 2 fairly comfortably


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: bathford on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:25:37
Total wank!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:25:42
The Tuesday curse strikes yet again.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:26:00
There we go, 7 games in a row conceding 2 or more!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: welshred on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:26:07
I'm listening to away commentary which is possibly the only thing that could make this game worse. Absolutely spunking over their team.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:26:15
PITMAN HAS SHAVED!

Is it possible the discarded stubble could be appointed manager?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:26:22
Simply not good enough.
No threat.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:26:30
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

He’s fucking lost it

And I was the crazy one for ever giving you lot a fair warning.

0-2. I gave up weeks ago. This house is a circus berzerkus.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:27:03
Dire straits


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:27:10
Fuck you Hartley,  praising the referee for playing the advantage that allowed Muff to score the second.  Cunt.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:27:31
Where do we go from here as cliches like back to the drawing board or must work on harder on the training pitch won't cut it anymore


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: welshred on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:29:00
I'd be happy to sacrifice this game, and let them score 3 more if it means Sheridan is booted a long way out the door.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:29:06
Where do we go from here as cliches like back to the drawing board or must work on harder on the training pitch won't cut it anymore

We might get the nuclear option of "I'm getting sick of saying the same things every week" if we're really lucky.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Crackity Jones on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:29:18
Zero threat going forward and too weak everywhere else against an average side.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:29:27
Give Sheridan his due, we've largely stopped shipping two goals a game due to individual farcical errors, now we are conceding two by being set-up to be useless.  He has stripped all semblance of a team from us, relying instead on putting numbers in dots drawn on the pitch and asking 11 players to sort it out for themselves.  Well, it looks that way.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:29:36
We are making them look like effing Brazil!


Poor bastards!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:29:54
What the fuck was Curran doing just then


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:29:59
I did ask! 😊

And I keep telling you all why but no one listens... :eek:


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:30:05
We might get the nuclear option of "I'm getting sick of saying the same things every week" if we're really lucky.

I forgot that one in his spikey northern accent 😁


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:30:15
Curran!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:30:36
Quote from: adje
Dire straits
my ST has been money for nothing


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:30:49
We're down. Just between us and Burton for bottom spot


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Processed Beats on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:31:05
This fucking moron is making me hate football all over again. Fuck you, Sheridan. Fuck you.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:31:11
This is fucking dire lads..


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:31:20
They are indeed poor but they have shape and tactics on their side.

'They are poor' gets said every week about the team we play, its nonsense of course.

They are a well organised mid table League one team who have more than enough to beat us.

Opening up as a team pushing forward always leaves us open to the counter especially when Matt smith plays.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:31:36
Give Sheridan his due, we've largely stopped shipping two goals a game due to individual farcical errors, now we are conceding two by being set-up to be useless.  He has stripped all semblance of a team from us, relying instead on putting numbers in dots drawn on the pitch and asking 11 players to sort it out for themselves.  Well, it looks that way.
Agreed, there was a little hope when we could say "just sort out the individual errors and we'll be OK" 😀


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:32:01
We’re not even pretending to build moves going forward any more.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: JoeMezz on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:32:13
Switched off. Probably won’t watch again until Sheridan has gone.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Broadbents Tackle on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:32:48
Good job by Curran there, falling over so he didn't have to try and play the ball like a professional footballer.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:33:05
listen up fuckers, this season isn't dead.

under Sheridan's guidance we could eclipse our premier League 100 conceded goals. it's going to be tough, we are only on for 94 against at the moment


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:34:11
Switched off. Probably won’t watch again until Sheridan has gone.
Don't worry, we'll keep you up to date with the score. If you're interested.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:34:33
Where do we go from here as cliches like back to the drawing board or must work on harder on the training pitch won't cut it anymore

Without a change of manager into league 2 me thinks



Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:34:45
listen up fuckers, this season isn't dead.

under Sheridan's guidance we could eclipse our premier League 100 conceded goals. it's going to be tough, we are only on for 94 against at the moment
Yeah. I'm sure with a little tweak we could "up" our "down" game!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:35:12
Survival is not mathematically impossible


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:35:44
Everything about this club right now is depressing.
Just can’t see any positives with anything.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:36:22
Survival is not mathematically impossible
it is with what we've seen tonight.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:36:30
It's not Curran's fault.

We have no midfield.

We have no creativity


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:36:35
Survival is not mathematically impossible

No, but nothing has changed so it's very unlikely


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Crackity Jones on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:37:08
Survival is not mathematically impossible
it isn't,  but this side stinks despite the change of personnel


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:37:43
Anyone who says Curran is there on merit is a fucking dick.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:38:01
Everything about this club right now is depressing.
Just can’t see any positives with anything.


Very much how i feel and i imagine many more.

How things turned with the change of Manager. I 100% believe we would be better off if Wellens had not tucked tail and run.

Sack Sheridan now.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:38:32
Anyone who says Curran is there on merit is a fucking dick.

It must be part of a long joke, can't wait for the punch line.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:38:47
Anyone who says Curran is there on merit is a fucking dick.

Well Travers certainly doesn’t think so.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:39:02
Curran should have been booked there


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: leftside on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:39:06
One shot on target according to the Beeb. Awful.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:39:39
Can Curran take the Manager role, might keep him off the pitch, and who knows, he may have a stunning tactical brain?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:39:45
It's not Curran's fault.

We have no midfield.

We have no creativity
Although Curran is trying to make it his fault!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:40:00
Seen enough, more than enough. Good night peeps.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:40:08
Quote from: TheDukeOfBanbury
Everything about this club right now is depressing.
Just can’t see any positives with anything.

you got the phone number for 'the American investors'?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Ticker45 on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:40:26
There must be a player in the youth team that has to better than Curran.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:40:32
Anyone who says Curran is there on merit is a fucking dick.

Every journo should ask this question every time there is a press conference. Lets draw all the attention that can be to this injustice and potentially the crooked nature of what Power has done.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:41:17
I'll give you all a tenner if Sheridan in his post-match presser (that's P-MP FH ;) ), and if he takes it of course, doesn't do these three things;

1) Laughs.
2) says " I'm stood here...and...we've played well again" (or similar).
3) mixes up the name of at least one player.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:41:25
Hawes tried to ask, Sheridan got pissy


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: JBZ on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:41:49
There must be a player in the youth team that has to better than Curran.

But with a more affluent father ? (If you believe the unsubstantiated allegations)


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: leftside on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:42:02
Don't be a dickhead, that's very unlike you. I didn't out and out say that did I? Come on Berni, you of many are much much better than that. Of course he got some luck but I didn't nail that down as the only part to his success. But feel free just to ignore the rest of the response. Very out of character.
So how did Wellens get lucky?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:42:13
I'll give you all a tenner if Sheridan in his post-match presser (that's P-MP FH ;) ), and if he takes it of course, doesn't do these three things;

1) Laughs.
2) says " I'm stood here...and...we've played well again" (or similar).
3) mixes up the name of at least one player.

I can knock you up a bingo card if you like...


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:42:17
lino, you bastard. that could worsen our goals against to edge towards 100


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:42:25
Even if the game was called off for a frozen pitch we'd have conceded two fucking goals


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:43:55
Sheridan Out.
I’m one of the most patient fans regarding giving a Manager time but I finished with him tonight .

Let’s just hope Power sells up.
League Two ffs not again.
Had enough.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:45:20
I can knock you up a bingo card if you like...

Please do, much more interesting and entertaining than what is on show, unfortunately.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:45:28
Hawes tried to ask, Sheridan got pissy

Correct. And it should be asked repeatedly by every journo that cares. What would the club do ban them? Would just bring attention to the situation and whats going on.

Odimayo is fit and not in the squad!!!!! Let alone Baudry or Grounds.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:46:04
Some nice interplay between M Smith and Thompson. There are plenty of players wearing red who could do better. I don't think that's going to happen under Sheridan, but there's a manager out there who could have this lot in midtable, I don't doubt that.

Whether that's more or less depressing, I can't quite decide.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Crackity Jones on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:47:34
Sheridan Out.
I’m one of the most patient fans regarding giving a Manager time but I finished with him tonight .

Let’s just hope Power sells up.
League Two ffs not again.
Had enough.
I'm the same.  Sheridan has kept our frailties and removed our score one more than you ability


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:47:37
Sheridan Out.
I’m one of the most patient fans regarding giving a Manager time but I finished with him tonight .

Let’s just hope Power sells up.
League Two ffs not again.
Had enough.

We might at least win a few games in L2.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Tamworth Red Army on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:47:53
Sack that Northern wanker :suicide: :crash:


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:48:25
Dumping straight back town to league 2 just feels like our inevitable demise is ireversable and non-league is looking far more likely than a few consistent than even a mid-table in the third tier. Low point in the history of the club.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Oldwembley69 on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:49:16
How many players are contracted past the summer? Whoever takes over will have to start from scratch for the whole team ah yes we can build the team around Curran. Good night :bye:


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:49:28
This is game 15 in the league under Sheridan.

John Sheridan P15 W3  D2   L10 F19 A31  Win% 20%  Loss% 66%
Paul Hart........P11 W1  D4   L6   F6   A12  Win%  9%   Loss% 54%
John Gorman   P42 W5  D15 L22 F47 A100 Win% 11% Loss% 52%

DLWLWLLLLDLWLDL

Mr Sheridan you have been weighed, you have been measured and you have absolutely been found wanting.

Do the right thing, time to walk.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:50:01
So how did Wellens get lucky?

Luck was one part. This is the problem with this fucking forum, you put in one element of comment and it gets extrapolated as the only thing said.

I also said RW had something that JS clearly hasn't and that is some technical nous. I also said he's probably an ok to good coach. The luck, well every team that wins a lot of games have "some" element of luck. For me he got lucky with the "injury prone" players he brought in didn't really get injured too much. Lucky because had they had as they have this term then Town might still have been in L2.

As it happens, Town look to be heading that way if the cell with no nucleus isn't replaced.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:51:51
This is game 15 in the league under Sheridan.

John Sheridan P15 W3 D2 L10 F19 A31 Win% 20% Loss% 66%
Paul Hart........P11 W1 D4 L6   F6   A12 Win% 9%   Loss% 54%

DLWLWLLLLDLWLDL

Mr Sheridan you have been weighed, you have been measured and you have absolutely been found wanting.

Do the right thing, time to walk.


 :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:52:39
Over to you dreckly Mr NoMoreHeroes for the P-MP comments....


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:52:44
Well, I thought it would be bad, but that has to be the worst performance of the season so far. It just wasn't good enough.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Munichred on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:53:08
IFollow video packed up towards the end, something to be thankful for...


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:53:26
This is game 15 in the league under Sheridan.

John Sheridan P15 W3 D2 L10 F19 A31 Win% 20% Loss% 66%
Paul Hart........P11 W1 D4 L6   F6   A12 Win% 9%   Loss% 54%

DLWLWLLLLDLWLDL

Mr Sheridan you have been weighed, you have been measured and you have absolutely been found wanting.

Do the right thing, time to walk.

I have really tried to stay positive and give Sheridan as much time as possible but those stats are shocking. Tonight was a massive chance to build on positive away performances and we've been woefully short. Hull away Saturday is a guaranteed null points.

I think its time for a change.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:53:49
Since 1st Dec.

P10 W1 D2 L7 F12 A23

5pts from 30

-11 GD

Still crap


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Lambo75 on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:54:36
flabbergasted watching that.

on paper we have some decent players.

the only ones coming out of that shower of sh...e in my eyes are Jayasimi, Thompson, Palmer, Lyden

Absolutely awful, Curran....just useless, a lump of a player not worthy of being on the bench, would take slow old caddis everytime over him.

Will keep spending the tenners to watch but it's getting harder and hard to get any enjoyment out of it.



Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:55:41
Embarrassing, it's never a good sign when a manager at half time copies the opposition in terms of shape because he has got it so wrong at the start of the game, he has to be sacked now.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:55:43
Christ that was dire. That team hasn't got a hope. The worst thing is that there's plenty of individual talent, but as a team they're completely at sea. I don't think you can underestimate how demoralised that squad is.

This is beyond hope. We're down.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:56:22
Can't believe we're still only one win away from 17th place, just can't see where it's ever going to come from.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:56:49
Luck was one part. This is the problem with this fucking forum, you put in one element of comment and it gets extrapolated as the only thing said.

I also said RW had something that JS clearly hasn't and that is some technical nous. I also said he's probably an ok to good coach. The luck, well every team that wins a lot of games have "some" element of luck. For me he got lucky with the "injury prone" players he brought in didn't really get injured too much. Lucky because had they had as they have this term then Town might still have been in L2.

As it happens, Town look to be heading that way if the cell with no nucleus isn't replaced.

I extrapolated nothing, i just couldn't be bothered to get into "this" by responding to everything that you said as you would have preferred..  it would have gone on all night.

My point in short is that there are a lot of short memories on here..


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:57:49
I actually think there may be so much resentment about Curran in the squad that they give up when he comes on. It's a very strange situation.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:59:25
I actually think there may be so much resentment about Curran in the squad that they give up when he comes on. It's a very strange situation.

Agreed. How can some of the players feel. They know he is dog shit, and picked. Its a festering wound in the squad, it can do nothing for morale.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 20:59:33
What a farce we are.  Sheridan has certainly had an impact on the club, and it is rare a Manager can claim to do that.  Problem for us is that the impact is all negative.

Curran - something has to be going on here, he is so obviously not up to the standard it's laughable that he gets on the bench, let alone allowed near the pitch.  Before someone has a go at me for laying into a player,  I don't blame the lad (we'd all give it a go in the same position) but his being there is a symptom of the ill the club is feeling that is so obvious we should all be worried.  It's like coughing up blood and thinking it may just be a hangover.

Covid has no doubt sped-up the demise, Wellens leaving left us in the lurch, as did his petulant transfer window effort, but he'd have got more results even without the new personnel  - the mistakes would possibly have continued but we at least looked like we knew what we had been sent out to do.

It'll take a miracle of player power to keep us up - they'll have to go have meetings on their own to figure something out to try and get a pattern of play, it's clear they won't get it on the training pitch.  Some years you can point to a lack of effort, desire or passion.  I don't see that, I see a team confused, a team with no idea where they are supposed to be, how they will break down a team etc.  That creates confusion, little threat, goals against and eventually confidence drains.

Ah well, at least the world is a better place...................


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:01:43
But he keeps doing it, almost every game is a change.  The team must have no time to work on a pattern of play if it is different every week.  The game after Ispwich he thought he'd cracked it, so he didn't make a change in players, when he probably could have.  It smacks of a Manager who is not really leading or held to account.

I think its because he doesn't know his best 11. Shall we start again in August and go for another league 2 title


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Formerly Drummer Boy on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:02:31
That was simply awful. Tactically outclassed all over the pitch. How many passes did we attempt and actually complete? Fair play to Plymouth. How can you change practically the entire team and still be equally as shit?

Lose against Hull and Wigan, we're fucked.

Thompson awful, Hunt awful, Lyden awful, Hope awful, Palmer awful.

Where do we honestly go from here?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: leftside on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:04:13
Luck was one part. This is the problem with this fucking forum, you put in one element of comment and it gets extrapolated as the only thing said.

I also said RW had something that JS clearly hasn't and that is some technical nous. I also said he's probably an ok to good coach. The luck, well every team that wins a lot of games have "some" element of luck. For me he got lucky with the "injury prone" players he brought in didn't really get injured too much. Lucky because had they had as they have this term then Town might still have been in L2.

As it happens, Town look to be heading that way if the cell with no nucleus isn't replaced.
If you state something that’s a bit contentious, be prepared to get questioned. It doesn’t mean that all you’ve written is contentious - I read the whole of your post and wanted to question you on one part of it, as did Berniman.

As it happens, I disagree with you. There were plenty of injuries to significant players last season, eg Lyden, Conroy and Isgrove, which weren’t a surprise because of their history. Managing us to promotion despite of this was another reason for me to think Wellens did a fine job.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:04:27
That was simply awful. Tactically outclassed all over the pitch. How many passes did we attempt and actually complete? Fair play to Plymouth. How can you change practically the entire team and still be equally as shit?

Lose against Hull and Wigan, we're fucked.

Thompson awful, Hunt awful, Lyden awful, Hope awful, Palmer awful.

Where do we honestly go from here?

Harrogate, among other places I presume.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:04:33
That was simply awful. Tactically outclassed all over the pitch. How many passes did we attempt and actually complete? Fair play to Plymouth. How can you change practically the entire team and still be equally as shit?

Lose against Hull and Wigan, we're fucked.

Thompson awful, Hunt awful, Lyden awful, Hope awful, Palmer awful.

Where do we honestly go from here?

Down to the lake I fear!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Crackity Jones on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:06:59
I want to think that we have some players that are capable at L1 but we are so easily out thought, out run and muscled off the ball. Is there any leadership on the pitch? Has Sheridan lost the dressing room and they don't want to play for him? Or am I wrong and we simply don't have good enough players? We are so close to getting out of the bottom 4 but I just can't see it happening.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:07:32
Down to the lake I fear!

Yet again it's not a fantastic day  ;)


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: adje on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:07:43
Down to the lake I fear!

Aye aye aye aye aye aye


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Ticker45 on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:08:06
I have really tried to stay positive and give Sheridan as much time as possible but those stats are shocking. Tonight was a massive chance to build on positive away performances and we've been woefully short. Hull away Saturday is a guaranteed null points.

I think its time for a change.

This.

Being very old I have seen worse but am coming to the conclusion we are now in a very bad situation and getting out of it is going to prove a difficult ask.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:08:11
I think I'd feel better if I didn't think the manager is here to stay for as long as Power is.

We need a takeover pronto, but fuck knows how long that would take.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:08:57
Aye aye aye aye aye aye

 :beers:


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: donkey on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:10:08
It'll take a miracle of player power to keep us up - they'll have to go have meetings on their own to figure something out to try and get a pattern of play, it's clear they won't get it on the training pitch.  Some years you can point to a lack of effort, desire or passion.  I don't see that, I see a team confused, a team with no idea where they are supposed to be, how they will break down a team etc.  That creates confusion, little threat, goals against and eventually confidence drains.

Who's our 21st century Colin Calderwood, then?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:10:08
I think I'd feel better if I didn't think the manager is here to stay for as long as Power is.

We need a takeover pronto, but fuck knows how long that would take.

Let's be honest, it ain't gonna be quick enough to save us this season..


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:10:26
I extrapolated nothing, i just couldn't be bothered to get into "this" by responding to everything that you said as you would have preferred..  it would have gone on all night.

My point in short is that there are a lot of short memories on here..

Fine and I don't want to go tit for tat with you. My point was that I didn't just say it was purely down to luck. Just that there was some luck involved but he's a better manager than Sheridan, especially technically so :)


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: magicroundaboutred on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:11:10
Sheridan moved us up a place in the table soapy tit wank.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:15:17
Travers 7
-   Thought he looked solid most of the game. Think he was wrong footed for the first at Thompson mucked up and the ball stuck in the mud for Kamara to shoot. Think he went down a little earlier than normal on the second. But, I might be being hard on him
Thompson 5.5
-   Didn’t look good going forward tonight. Awful free kick. Couple of awful crosses. Apart from gifting the first goal, I thought he defended OK in the first half, but looked lost in the second
Conroy 6.5
-   Solid but unspectacular
Masterson 6
-   Made a few good positional saves as they were cutting through us. Not sure where he was playing at one point in the second. He seemed everywhere other than in his position.
Hunt 5
-   Struggled to cope with pace. Looked slow
Palmer 4
-   Didn’t influence. Very lightweight
Lyden 5.5
-   Best of a bad bunch in midfield
Twine 5
-   Nothing for him to play with. Closed down very quickly
DJ 6
-   Lots of step overs. Ran into nowhere in the first half. Lovely piece of skill for our only chance of the game
TO 5.5
-   Tried. Looked mobile. Ran around. Noone to play with. Nearly scored after 20 seconds. Didn’t create anything after that.
Hope 5
-   Didn’t offer a lot.

Subs:
Curran 3:
-   Did OK to begin with by keeping it simple. Once he tried to play, he made mistake after mistake. Lucky not to have been punished for clear fouls on their striker when slipping and making mistakes
M Smith 5
-   Tried for about 10-15 mins then seemed to give up
Payne 4
-   Didnt see anything from him
Pitman 4
-   Didn’t influence the game


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Super Hans on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:16:22
Nothing stays good here for very long does it...we've got a great chance of getting out of this but annoyingly you just know we wont make the one big change required to give us that opportunity.

I hope in a couple of months we're not saying we should have got a new manager while we were in touching distance of safety but fear that will be the case.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:16:46
Sheridan moved us up a place in the table soapy tit wank.

Well that’s not to shabby. At the rate we’re imploding come May we could be in a promotion place then.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:17:08
Just been announced Sheridan deal has been extended till end of next season


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:18:04
Just been announced Sheridan deal has been extended till end of next season
:D


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:20:13
Just been announced Sheridan deal has been extended till end of next season

Top level cunting that  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:20:49
Just waiting for a global disaster to eclipse covid so the club can bury the good news.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:21:16
Every journo should ask this question every time there is a press conference. Lets draw all the attention that can be to this injustice and potentially the crooked nature of what Power has done.
This, 10 times over. Any journalist with an ounce of passion for the job will keep asking questions on this subject.

Absolutely fucking stinks & is undoubtedly a reason why morale is so low. What the fuck must Odimayo & Caddis think tonight watching that clown?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Crackity Jones on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:22:15
Travers 7
-   Thought he looked solid most of the game. Think he was wrong footed for the first at Thompson mucked up and the ball stuck in the mud for Kamara to shoot. Think he went down a little earlier than normal on the second. But, I might be being hard on him
Thompson 5.5
-   Didn’t look good going forward tonight. Awful free kick. Couple of awful crosses. Apart from gifting the first goal, I thought he defended OK in the first half, but looked lost in the second
Conroy 6.5
-   Solid but unspectacular
Masterson 6
-   Made a few good positional saves as they were cutting through us. Not sure where he was playing at one point in the second. He seemed everywhere other than in his position.
Hunt 5
-   Struggled to cope with pace. Looked slow
Palmer 4
-   Didn’t influence. Very lightweight
Lyden 5.5
-   Best of a bad bunch in midfield
Twine 5
-   Nothing for him to play with. Closed down very quickly
DJ 6
-   Lots of step overs. Ran into nowhere in the first half. Lovely piece of skill for our only chance of the game
TO 5.5
-   Tried. Looked mobile. Ran around. Noone to play with. Nearly scored after 20 seconds. Didn’t create anything after that.
Hope 5
-   Didn’t offer a lot.

Subs:
Curran 3:
-   Did OK to begin with by keeping it simple. Once he tried to play, he made mistake after mistake. Lucky not to have been punished for clear fouls on their striker when slipping and making mistakes
M Smith 5
-   Tried for about 10-15 mins then seemed to give up
Payne 4
-   Didnt see anything from him
Pitman 4
-   Didn’t influence the game

don't see how anyone bar Travers gets more than a 5. Conroy and Lyden closest to average 5 score


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:23:36
Top level cunting that  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Curran a year extension. Might as well just to fuck us all over.
How much more of this shit can we take.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:25:24
Curran a year extension. Might as well just to fuck us all over.
How much more of this shit can we take.

He’s got 3 years as it is


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:25:40
Top level cunting that  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Curran a year extension. Might as well just to fuck us all over.
How much more of this shit can we take.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:26:36
He’s got 3 years as it is

I know and if that is all the proof you need then I don’t know.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:26:47
Caddis is going anyway. But Odimayo must be a little fucked off. Even if 50% fit you get in above Curran. Maybe he just "didn't train well again"

Put the question to AH on Curran at HT. We'll see. I'm sure others have asked too...


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:31:16
Clueless. Catch ya on the flipside lads. Good questioning from Hawes, clever.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Crackity Jones on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:32:19
Curran a year extension. Might as well just to fuck us all over.
How much more of this shit can we take.
The T Curran Town End has a nice ring to it?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: jimbob on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:33:55
Getting bullied in interview by Sheridan certainly hit some nerves


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: jimbob on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:34:30
First time I’ve heard Sheridan talk and hopefully the last


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: jimbob on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:34:59
He’s a fucking idiot


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:35:51
Sheridan:
- Poor performance
- Didnt deserve anything
- Before always thought we have done well
- That performance was a worrying one
- Just had 3 good performances against 3 good teams
- This is why managers beat themselves up
- Plymouth are good at 3-5-2 and I new it would be difficult
- The type of goals we concede are becoming a bit of a joke
- Didnt say much after the game. Could have stayed in there hours
- I do enough ranting and raving during the game. Dont do it in the dressing room
- We need points
- We have t o earn the right. Its about of desire, determination and devilment. Not pretty football
- They complicate the game too much. Make the wrong decision
- Concede too many corners, freekick and give away possession
- Tonight it didnt seem like the same players who performed in the last 3 games
- We need to win games. We're at home!
- If there are more of t hose performance we'll get nothing
- Do you think you are moving the team forward? Sheridan thinks they are learning. The team has been struggling all season
- Still confident that he can keep Town in Div 1. But not with performances like that
- Kept talking about Ipswich, Dnny and Charlton. Fans would say we shouldnt be where we are. Tonight they would say we are going down
- Sheridan v angry about the second goal. Switching off and out of position
- If you switch off and day dream then you will come unstuck
- We werent at the races tonight
- If I keep the team up I will have done a good job
- Very prickly about only having his own players for 2 games
- Second half tried to match them up to reduce their possession
- Conceded the 2nd just as we were getting into the game
- After that it was all over
- When the second went in we went flat.
- The players will always try, but you could see it go backwards
- TO. Young kid from good club. Not going to judge him on that. Hasnt trained with us yet. Gives us something different
- He's 18. I picked a team to win. I put him in.
- I picked the team to win the game. We were poor. We lost!
- Freeman poss back for weekend.
- Grounds poss train for the weekend
- J Grant played well. Might be back soon
- Dont like not involving loan players. If I feel they should go back to their own clubs, or go elsewhere to get a game
- T & J Smith not involved tonight. Will speak to their respective clubs and sort things out by the end of the week
- Joked we are looking for 10 players after that


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:36:02
Is there anywhere to listen back to the Sheridan interview?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:36:33
Is there anywhere to listen back to the Sheridan interview?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_wiltshire


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:37:33
Getting bullied in interview by Sheridan certainly hit some nerves

I couldn't bring myself to listen to the fuckwit.
Does he accept any culpability for Edgar is going on?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:40:21
Is there anywhere to listen back to the Sheridan interview?

Go on BBC Sounds, select radio stations (or stations), BBC Wiltshire then load up what is on now. You can "rewind" to play it from the start of the post match or even to the post match interview. Also, on the same page "Talk of The Town" will feature it after this show finishes at 10pm. Whichever is easiest or most urgent :)


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:40:30
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live:bbc_radio_wiltshire


Cheers NMH, and good work


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: jimbob on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:40:47
Sheridan said 2 nil down he didn’t expect to get anything out of the game...whilst that may well have been the case, what sort of message does that send to the players? The cunt has no clue


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:40:50
And there we have it, if Sheridan hadn’t completely lost the dressing room before that interview he will after. So it’s all the players fault that they ‘over complicate’ things is it? Nothing to do with the lack of direction and leadership from the so called ‘manager’. The guy is beyond inept!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:42:33
Go on BBC Sounds, select radio stations (or stations), BBC Wiltshire then load up what is on now. You can "rewind" to play it from the start of the post match or even to the post match interview. Also, on the same page "Talk of The Town" will feature it after this show finishes at 10pm. Whichever is easiest or most urgent :)

Got it, ta


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:42:53
Sheridan got very prickly with Hawes who was getting more and more emboldened!

Hawes asking him why he put an 18 year old if he hasn't trained with the club? Sheridan snapped back at him that he offered something different and it wasn't TO's fault we lost!

Hawes asking if Sheridan was moving the club forward? Sheridan, angry, but said he's here to keep the team up. Thinks he will do well to do that if we play like that.

Hawes then saying. Well you've brought your own players in and we are still conceding 2 goals a game? Sheridan spits back that he's only had his players for 2 games.

Worth a listen. Very testy and tasty !!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: jimbob on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:44:15
And the apparent treatment of Caddis by him is a disgrace. Wait til Si Ferry interviews caddis again and asks about Sheridan.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:45:25
I'm not sure I saw anyone trying to over complicate anything.  General pattern of our play was a couple of slow passes followed by a long ball forward.  Not even a hint of a pretty triangle.  What I did see was a bunch of players who seem bereft of learned behaviours, patterns, tactics, you know, the stuff that makes teams tick./


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:45:45
And the apparent treatment of Caddis by him is a disgrace. Wait til Si Ferry interviews caddis again and asks about Sheridan.

I think the issue is above Sheridan on that front.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:46:04
Got it, ta

I noticed NMH got there, and efficiently so. Trust me to not post a direct link and give detailed instructions  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: jimbob on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:47:23
I think the issue is above Sheridan on that front.

Power you mean?

I personally think he still deserves a place in the squad and would get his full fitness back with a motivational manager


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:49:17
Conroy:
- Obviously disappointed
- The way we conceded was disappointing
- A lot of games to go
- Got to stick together
- We need to keep working hard
- Need to get as many points until the end of the season
- The individual decisions are costing us
- We shouldnt concede from our own corner
- Apologised to the fans
- Will go through the game on Thursday
- We have to focus on how to affect the game against Hull
- Tactical changes: We were better with 3 at the back
- Second goal killed us
- We were better team before their 2nd goal
- We have to be proactive
- We have played 3 at the back since Conroy has been back. Not a massive shock
- Get best result we can. Will be tough at Hull
- Down to us and poor decision
- We have 23 games left. Time on our side
- Need to become hard to beat
- No echoes of Luke Williams season
- Frustrating to lose, concede and not score
- Focus on the next game, work hard every day
- With quality we have we shouldnt be where we are
- Define leadership? Everyone sticks together. We cant get into little groups (that noone is doing) We have to pull together.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:49:29
Power you mean?

I would lean towards saying Jewell but it ultimately all goes to LP in the end.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:49:44
"If I could I'd want 10 new players on Saturday." Imagine sitting in the dressing-room listening to that sort of bilge. He speaks with all the footballing insight of the bottom-feeders in the fb group.

I've held off up to now despite some very uninspiring interviews, but it seems clear he doesn't really understand the game, doesn't have a philosophy, can't motivate a dressing-room. He just hopes to get lucky. He's way out of his depth.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: jimbob on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:54:25
I would lean towards saying Jewell but it ultimately all goes to LP in the end.

Caddis on too much money and need him off the books?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:56:49
Did anyone hear Hodgetts just now talk about the book he will one day write to feather his pension nest, and referring to all the cliques he's seen at the club?

Sounded as if he was hinting at stuff he wasn't at liberty to talk about at this stage...


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:57:38
Caddis on too much money and need him off the books?

Town have30+ players as it stands so I would say that's a decent assumption to make.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Tamworth Red Army on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 21:58:18
"If I could I'd want 10 new players on Saturday." Imagine sitting in the dressing-room listening to that sort of bilge. He speaks with all the footballing insight of the bottom-feeders in the fb group.

I've held off up to now despite some very uninspiring interviews, but it seems clear he doesn't really understand the game, doesn't have a philosophy, can't motivate a dressing-room. He just hopes to get lucky. He's way out of his depth.

Sheridan is just a dinosaur non-league manager


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 22:01:04
Did anyone hear Hodgetts just now talk about the book he will one day write to feather his pension nest, and referring to all the cliques he's seen at the club?

Sounded as if he was hinting at stuff he wasn't at liberty to talk about at this stage...
Think we was referring to the past rather than now.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 22:02:09
Whilst I don’t condone fans doing it I see someone DM’d Curran about the Dad thing on Twitter and Curran replied with ‘shut it you stupid cunt’. Not the cleverest thing to do provoked or not, especially only 15 minutes after the full time whistle. The clubs completely toxic currently!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 22:03:34
Power regained a little bit of credibility with last season, and a fair bit of sympathy because of Covid - the hiring of Sheridan has well and truly pissed any credibility or sympathy out of the window..

The resident Cheltenham fan must be rubbing one off more ferociously game by game..


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 22:05:29
Whilst I don’t condone fans doing it I see someone DM’d Curran about the Dad thing on Twitter and Curran replied with ‘shut it you stupid cunt’. Not the cleverest thing to do provoked or not, especially only 15 minutes after the full time whistle. The clubs completely toxic currently!

Speaking of the Cheltenham one, i got blocked on Twitter by him for calling him out for exactly the same thing, think it was at Woolery..


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 22:09:22
Think we was referring to the past rather than now.

Maybe, but why would he bring it up tonight? Sounded to me like it could be a coded message - about Curran perhaps?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 22:09:54
Whilst I don’t condone fans doing it I see someone DM’d Curran about the Dad thing on Twitter and Curran replied with ‘shut it you stupid cunt’. Not the cleverest thing to do provoked or not, especially only 15 minutes after the full time whistle. The clubs completely toxic currently!

Not guilty, the  only player I have ever DM'd is Ferry but we spoke about the Smiths and why the Killers were still popular.

Just a thought though, is this just someone saying they have done it or do they have genuine evidence. It's cock like behaviour on both parts but in defence of Curran, he's not a pro footballer so shouldn't be expecting to deal with pricks DMing. I'll slate his ability on the pitch but never DM asking players questions. It doesn't look good if genuine though.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 22:10:29
Maybe, but why would he bring it up tonight? Sounded to me like it could be a coded message - about Curran perhaps?

No way he would risk the wrath of Power..


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 22:11:28
No way he would risk the wrath of Power..

Which was why it was so coded.  ;)


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 22:13:12
Just heard Hodgetts and he did say "back in the day" so I think he was harping


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 22:15:43
Quote from: theakston2k
Whilst I don’t condone fans doing it I see someone DM’d Curran about the Dad thing on Twitter

that's going too far. as someone else said, it's not his fault


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 22:16:09
Maybe, but why would he bring it up tonight? Sounded to me like it could be a coded message - about Curran perhaps?
It was because immediately before that Hawes asked Conroy to define what leadership was? Conroy's reply was along the lines of....'Urgh? We've got to stick together. Not go off in little groups - Not that anyone does, but we've all got to make sure stick together and work hard together.'



Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 22:17:53
that's going too far. as someone else said, it's not his fault
I agree - My 'moral majority' label from many years ago coming out perhaps. But what did that person expect other than to cause more problems in the dressing room?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 22:19:12
that's going too far. as someone else said, it's not his fault
Surely not a great idea to be replying to Twitter DM’s at all yet alone 15 minutes after the worst performance of the season though. Doesn’t paint him as being an overly pleasant individual judging from his response.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 22:23:15
You've got to be a bit special to DM a player in anger.  If Sheridan phoned me-up and said they'd fly me back and pay for me to sit on the bench with a few minutes here and there, I would not let the fact I am 45, unfit and not that good get in the way of giving it a go.  People in leadership are there for a reason, lead.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 22:48:38
I think Sheridan has had his chance.
Time to get him and Wright out. Possibly Jewell as well.

I guess that leaves Mildenhall in charge?

Which means another rebuild - much too late this season for that. Then everyone out in the summer I expect. There can’t be many under contract or any who’d want to sign a new one anyway, even if we wanted to offer them one - which we probably don’t.

I don’t even want think about how much of a struggle next season will be...



Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 22:53:53
Also, it’s a point I make every time but for the love of god stop hiring ‘Merry go round managers’ if Sheridan was deemed not good enough for Oldham, Chesterfield, Plymouth, Oldham, Notts County, Oldham, Fleetwood, Carlisle & Chesterfield again

Why after 15 years and 675 odd games would be suddenly become a good manager?


Let’s just stick to young, hungry managers who want to make a good impression - even if it’s just so they can fuck off up the food chain ASAP.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Ticker45 on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 23:13:05
Also, it’s a point I make every time but for the love of god stop hiring ‘Merry go round managers’ if Sheridan was deemed not good enough for Oldham, Chesterfield, Plymouth, Oldham, Notts County, Oldham, Fleetwood, Carlisle & Chesterfield again

Why after 15 years and 675 odd games would be suddenly become a good manager?


Let’s just stick to young, hungry managers who want to make a good impression - even if it’s just so they can fuck off up the food chain ASAP.

Just had a long chat with my son on the very same thinking. Does it have to be an old British ex-pro who has realistically done very little in the managerial stakes or go for someone younger/not British/tactically aware and perhaps a bloody good man manager?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 23:14:34
Also, it’s a point I make every time but for the love of god stop hiring ‘Merry go round managers’ if Sheridan was deemed not good enough for Oldham, Chesterfield, Plymouth, Oldham, Notts County, Oldham, Fleetwood, Carlisle & Chesterfield again

Why after 15 years and 675 odd games would be suddenly become a good manager?


Let’s just stick to young, hungry managers who want to make a good impression - even if it’s just so they can fuck off up the food chain ASAP.
Like Luke Williams you mean? I'm playing devil's advocate to some extent, but making the point that there isn't a guaranteed formula, young and hungry can go tits-up as well


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 23:20:16
I can only assume the Twine substitution was part of a deliberate strategy to so thoroughly piss him off that he agrees or even asks to be sold.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 23:22:03
Like Luke Williams you mean? I'm playing devil's advocate to some extent, but making the point that there isn't a guaranteed formula, young and hungry can go tits-up as well

True, nothing is guaranteed in football obviously.

Considering his reputation as a good coach, it’s was probably a gamble worth taking. In hindsight we probably let it run a bit too long but hey ho.

Still better than the Sheridan/Hart route.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 23:23:15
Just had a long chat with my son on the very same thinking. Does it have to be an old British ex-pro who has realistically done very little in the managerial stakes or go for someone younger/not British/tactically aware and perhaps a bloody good man manager?

Anyone who has the hunger & ambition to succeed who doesn’t have a massive list of failures already on his cv.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 23:29:12
True, nothing is guaranteed in football obviously.

Considering his reputation as a good coach, it’s was probably a gamble worth taking. In hindsight we probably let it run a bit too long but hey ho.

Still better than the Sheridan/Hart route.
TBF (and slightly arguing against my own devil's avocado), I think the talk was that Williams didn't really want to be manager, he wanted to continue as a coach and only agreed to take the role as manager reluctantly. Which probably puts him outside your definition a bit


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 23:31:46
TBF (and slightly arguing against my own devil's avocado), I think the talk was that Williams didn't really want to be manager, he wanted to continue as a coach and only agreed to take the role as manager reluctantly. Which probably puts him outside your definition a bit

I expect not having a pro career also put him at a disadvantage with regards to dealing with the dressing room but that’s purely assumption on my part.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 23:34:56
I expect not having a pro career also put him at a disadvantage with regards to dealing with the dressing room but that’s purely assumption on my part.
Doesn't seem to have hampered Mourinho or AVB particularly. IIRC one of the things Williams was alleged to have got wrong was that he was too cosy with the players if anything. Oh and by the way, apologies to Luke Williams for this example - while it clearly didn't work well for him as manager here, he is clearly an intelligent guy and I have no doubt he learned loads from the things that went wrong for him here that will, if he is ever minded to try again as a manager, make him much better at it.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 23:38:41
Quote from: pauld
I can only assume the Twine substitution was part of a deliberate strategy to so thoroughly piss him off that he agrees or even asks to be sold.

he wasn't in the game at all to be fair


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 23:46:02
Doesn't seem to have hampered Mourinho or AVB particularly. IIRC one of the things Williams was alleged to have got wrong was that he was too cosy with the players if anything. Oh and by the way, apologies to Luke Williams for this example - while it clearly didn't work well for him as manager here, he is clearly an intelligent guy and I have no doubt he learned loads from the things that went wrong for him here that will, if he is ever minded to try again as a manager, make him much better at it.

I’d somewhat suggest working alongside Bobby Robson at Sporting CP, Porto and Barcelona is a much better education for dealing with dressing rooms than Brighton u21s


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 23:50:25
he wasn't in the game at all to be fair
He didn't have a great game, no. But then nor did any of the others. But if you are serious about keeping hold of a player that you have offered an extension to and claim to be fending off offers for (rather than cashing in while you can), do you sub him off at half time or maybe give him the 1st 20 minutes of the second half to see if he can make a difference? Sends a message


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 23:53:23
I think with the "young and hungry" is in part they can get a little more "hall pass" time. They do tend to be a little more technically understanding (or at least have time to learn or develop on it) and generally will be in touch with the mindsets of varying players. Also gives a chance for them to learn from their mistakes, and often more quickly. With a manager who is "set in their ways", they might be less inclined to listen to other ideas and stick to what they know. This is fine when it works a bit but when it starts going south, they then seem devoid of alternatives and doubly, appear to become more stubborn to change.

I think and I may be wrong but it's possible that DVCanio means that essentially, gone are the days of a team full of "pie n mash", "big drinkers" and "ard as fackin nails" types of player. Which of course were quite prevalent in the 70s & 80s (and 90s to an extent, or an extension of). That culture just isn't really around in football any more. At least not in the main. Some players could get away with it but the game has changed and adapted. I know you know this.

One issue is, there are obviously still some managers around with that kind of outdated attitude and approach. You know, that "well just get on with it" or "man up" and so on. It just does not work any more.

I don't know how much of that is genuinely a good or bad thing. I think some elements of a "just deal with it" approach are possibly needed for some players, whereas a slightly warmer, more mentoring or pastoral approach is probably better for others. A good manager identifies where those employees need a shoulder or and one who need it less so. I really don't think Sheridan has that in his locker. All that aside though, I don't think he even has the technical tools to pull Town out of this.

In terms of younger manager who probably still has some freshness and worth a new challenge is...Sam Ricketts. Yes...but really, could we do any worse than JS right now? Wellens had a difficult time at Oldham before he came to Town and we gave him a chance. So why not Ricketts? He's only 39/40 (I think) and would be up for it. Even if the remit was purely "keep us up, we'll talk further...get us relegated, you're gone." I'm sure he is keen to right his wrongs from his petered out time at Shrews. Was doing ok for a young manager until this season. I think "doing ok" is probably something we would all accept right now.

 It would be a realistic appointment, considering their aren't a huge number of real options. Unless you want Holloway but some might say that would be very much in the "dinosaur" mold and I don't think it represents a young and fresh manager. I expect several to come back and give me shit for bringing up "my mate SR" but all I ask, is right now, could Town do or get much better?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 26, 2021, 23:55:09
I’d somewhat suggest working alongside Bobby Robson at Sporting CP, Porto and Barcelona is a much better education for dealing with dressing rooms than Brighton u21s
But then Mourinho and AVB were working at a much higher level of the game without pro experience, and so with bigger egos. Don't think "I was a bag carrier for Bobby Robson" cuts much ice with a senior pro who's asking you to throw your medals on the table. I get that a lack of pro experience can hamper an up and coming manager, but if they're good enough they can overcome that. Mourinho got and earned that respect with his ability as a manager, irrespective of whether he'd played to any level. As have others, many of them far better than the usual carousel of "was a good player so will automatically be a good manager" flops


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 01:18:33
Well the hope frework that was lit at Ipswich has fizzled out for sure...

What the fuck was that?

I don't know if he's the man for the job...

Pox and Gas more luck than judgement...

Slipping towards the trapdoor.

Players frozen out, others underachieving, shit ones being persisted with. It's poisonous.

One shot on target the whole match at home is frankly embarrassing.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 07:23:07
Has he gone yet?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 07:44:46
I think with the "young and hungry" is in part they can get a little more "hall pass" time. They do tend to be a little more technically understanding (or at least have time to learn or develop on it) and generally will be in touch with the mindsets of varying players. Also gives a chance for them to learn from their mistakes, and often more quickly. With a manager who is "set in their ways", they might be less inclined to listen to other ideas and stick to what they know. This is fine when it works a bit but when it starts going south, they then seem devoid of alternatives and doubly, appear to become more stubborn to change.

I think and I may be wrong but it's possible that DVCanio means that essentially, gone are the days of a team full of "pie n mash", "big drinkers" and "ard as fackin nails" types of player. Which of course were quite prevalent in the 70s & 80s (and 90s to an extent, or an extension of). That culture just isn't really around in football any more. At least not in the main. Some players could get away with it but the game has changed and adapted. I know you know this.

One issue is, there are obviously still some managers around with that kind of outdated attitude and approach. You know, that "well just get on with it" or "man up" and so on. It just does not work any more.

I don't know how much of that is genuinely a good or bad thing. I think some elements of a "just deal with it" approach are possibly needed for some players, whereas a slightly warmer, more mentoring or pastoral approach is probably better for others. A good manager identifies where those employees need a shoulder or and one who need it less so. I really don't think Sheridan has that in his locker. All that aside though, I don't think he even has the technical tools to pull Town out of this.

In terms of younger manager who probably still has some freshness and worth a new challenge is...Sam Ricketts. Yes...but really, could we do any worse than JS right now? Wellens had a difficult time at Oldham before he came to Town and we gave him a chance. So why not Ricketts? He's only 39/40 (I think) and would be up for it. Even if the remit was purely "keep us up, we'll talk further...get us relegated, you're gone." I'm sure he is keen to right his wrongs from his petered out time at Shrews. Was doing ok for a young manager until this season. I think "doing ok" is probably something we would all accept right now.

 It would be a realistic appointment, considering their aren't a huge number of real options. Unless you want Holloway but some might say that would be very much in the "dinosaur" mold and I don't think it represents a young and fresh manager. I expect several to come back and give me shit for bringing up "my mate SR" but all I ask, is right now, could Town do or get much better?

My point was a lot less convoluted than that.

Simply put; we should not be hiring managers with 15 years of abject failure behind them. They aren’t going to miraculously come good.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: normy on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 07:49:46
Having read back this thread, of very accurate comments, I  also think we're going down.

We pay, or at least I do, to watch good football, passing movements from the back towards goal, and skill and speed in the movement.  Plymouth did that very well today as a team, as did every other team we have played this season.  We haven't really had that kind of play since early season, when Tyler Smith, Jack Payne, and Johnny Smith worked well together with DJ and Caddis.

 I hate the tactics and style now. Forced backwards, harrassed pass back to keeper, long hoof, lose possession, allow penetration up towards our penalty area, scramble the ball back if we're lucky or they have a near miss or we make a mistake. Few accurate passes and many hoofed long balls.

I'm afraid I won't renew my ST if I have to watch shit like this. It's probbly too late to avoid the drop, and I have little hope that the manager will be sacked, although you never know...

 



Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 07:50:50
My point was a lot less convoluted than that.

Simply put; we should not be hiring managers with 15 years of abject failure behind them. They aren’t going to miraculously come good.

My thoughts exactly.

With experienced managers at this level you know that are average at best - hence why they are at this level. They often also turn out to be very poor.

A young manager might also turn out to be poor, but there's also the cancer of unearthing a gem.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 07:54:02
My point was a lot less convoluted than that.

Simply put; we should not be hiring managers with 15 years of abject failure behind them. They aren’t going to miraculously come good.
I agree, also the main difference apart from club size between them was that Mourinho wanted to be a manager and as such created a persona and carried it off. Williams made it very very clear he didn't want to be a manager and was effectively blackmailed with a long contract


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: tans on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 07:55:14
Amazes me how dinosaurs like Sheridan still get fucking jobs.

Amazes me even more that chairmen think they will br any good!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 07:59:49
It says something, though, that after a complete shit show of half of a season we’re only a point or 2 away from the drop zone. Any decent, or half decent, manager could get these players playing well enough to skidaddle up the table.

Under normal circumstances Sheridan a) wouldn’t have been appointed in the first place and, b) certainly wouldn’t still be here after such abject failure.

I’m trying to get my head round behind any logical reason why he’s still here. If Power wants to remain charge he won’t want to get relegated (I presume), if there are new owners waiting in the wings neither will they. No sane person can believe Sheridan is going to turn this round.

If what many of us think - that we can expect new owners - why don’t they insist Sheridan goes now instead of waiting til they take over with, maybe, only a handful of games left and by which time we may well be terminal anyway.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 08:07:58
Listening to the interview with AH at the end, it was remarkable to hear JS's over-reaction to the question about playing Otomoye given he hadn't trained with the team. AH even gave him a potential answer mentioning a manager's hunch. AH was right to ask why JS why he picked him, an honest answer would have been nice.

Mrs Donkey was also listening to JS for the first time and said she didn't like him as he took no responsibility and just blamed the players for the result.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 08:43:16
It says something, though, that after a complete shit show of half of a season we’re only a point or 2 away from the drop zone. Any decent, or half decent, manager could get these players playing well enough to skidaddle up the table.

Under normal circumstances Sheridan a) wouldn’t have been appointed in the first place and, b) certainly wouldn’t still be here after such abject failure.


I’m trying to get my head round behind any logical reason why he’s still here. If Power wants to remain charge he won’t want to get relegated (I presume), if there are new owners waiting in the wings neither will they. No sane person can believe Sheridan is going to turn this round.

If what many of us think - that we can expect new owners - why don’t they insist Sheridan goes now instead of waiting til they take over with, maybe, only a handful of games left and by which time we may well be terminal anyway.







Absolutely, if your shit enough in this league this season to get relegated then there is something wrong. 4 of the current bottom 9 will go down so it's not over if you pull your finger out.
Do we have potential new owners waiting or is it all wishful thinking? I just don't see investors putting money in this year due to the nature of our position, you wouldn't buy a league 1 club showing all the signs of relegation. Purely wait until next season and start afresh with your own team in place and pay a fraction of the price.
Something is fundamentally wrong at Swindon, rotten and has Caddis seen it and thought fuck this I'm off, Is that why Doughty jumped ship in such fashion? Including all those from last year who didn't re-sign with the champions?? It doesn't make sense and we will never know the truth unless a player or backroom staff writes a biography and spills the beans.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 08:54:10
Been thinking about the game a bit.

After 20 minutes we were rubbish.
We changed it, which needed doing, and we were just as rubbish.

Are we over estimating player ability? Or are we low on confidence? Or are we clueless as to the style we are supposed to be playing and lacking direction?

I actually think all 3 at the momen. Though its hard to pin player ability down while we are a bit of a shambles in formation - so maybe I should retract that.

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have switched formation to 5-3-1-1 (????!) when chasing the game, but there you go.





Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 08:59:45
It doesn't make sense and we will never know the truth unless a player or backroom staff writes a biography and spills the beans.

Currans' would make interesting reading


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 09:04:49
We did nothing right all night.
We did very little off the ball running to try and open up the 5 across the middle.
We didn't run as hard as Plymouth you could see that plain as day we couldn't keep up with them when they had the ball and couldn't run past them when we did.

I've very seldom written about games this season as I wanted to give it time to work but that time has passed. Its embarrassing and I'm trying to convince my boys to stay put with Swindon but that's wearing thin on them now. We don't live near Swindon and there are a host of premier league and decent championship sides they want to go and watch when it all starts up again and it's getting hard to say no with what  is being produced.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 09:08:55
Currans' would make interesting reading

Yes it would 😂
I've tried to look him up online but it says some results have been removed for data protection laws in Europe.
I know very little about law and what I do know isn't worth knowing so it means nothing to me.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 09:16:12
We did nothing right all night.
We did very little off the ball running to try and open up the 5 across the middle.
We didn't run as hard as Plymouth you could see that plain as day we couldn't keep up with them when they had the ball and couldn't run past them when we did.

I've very seldom written about games this season as I wanted to give it time to work but that time has passed. Its embarrassing and I'm trying to convince my boys to stay put with Swindon but that's wearing thin on them now. We don't live near Swindon and there are a host of premier league and decent championship sides they want to go and watch when it all starts up again and it's getting hard to say no with what  is being produced.


Sadly my two have lost it. They refuse to watch the games now but I am sure once we can get back actually going again they will come back to it.
Wellens had a style and recruited players to fit that style. It was lovely to watch.
We now have no style. The defence and keeper have been told to go long,  no different to Flitcroft. Sheridan is a dinosaur, he has inherited a few decent players but the players look lost.
Last night broke me. I wanted to turn off watching it but my heart told me no.
It was a shambles from the start. At home we are making so many teams look like Man City.

Last night our passing was woeful, physically outmuscled. Plymouth were quicker, kept a shape and sure we needed to change it at halftime and the twat brings on Curran, a player that would struggle in the Conference.
Just hope Power accepts what has been offered and he fucks off taking his East End wide boy followers with him and that dinosaur manager that is clueless.

Cannot believe how Shit we have become yet are not marooned at the base of the league and cut adrift. Forget Saturday, next Tuesday is the game where our fate may well and truly become known.
If Wigan play like Man City then it’s sat have addresses to Barrow and Harrogate.

Still hurting and the club I love is killing me.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 09:16:56
Been thinking about the game a bit.

After 20 minutes we were rubbish.
We changed it, which needed doing, and we were just as rubbish.

Are we over estimating player ability? Or are we low on confidence? Or are we clueless as to the style we are supposed to be playing and lacking direction?

I actually think all 3 at the momen. Though its hard to pin player ability down while we are a bit of a shambles in formation - so maybe I should retract that.

I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have switched formation to 5-3-1-1 (????!) when chasing the game, but there you go.





All 3.

Also, no leader on the pitch.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 09:19:29
Sheridan is clearly only here as STFC at the moment is all a bit 'jobs for the boys'. Power employed him at Waterford, he's got history in getting clubs out of relegation pickles and so fits the bills perfectly. Unfortunately, Wellens had attempted to go better than a team that avoids relegation from league 1 and tried to put together a team that would be upwardly mobile. It was unbalanced, granted but once Wellens decided he wanted out, as DV stated, wouldn't it have made sense to replace him with a younger, hungry manager that might have had a similar footballing outlook that Wellens? To continue the work that he had done?

Its clear that the way Sheridan sets out his teams are chalk and cheese from the way Wellens does. Look at Matt Smith for example, a shining light early in the season is now looking far and away that player. (some fans even stating they would shrug shoulders if his loan was terminated) Wellens had a team that would run and press hard, Sheridan's team sits off and with Roy Hattersley up front its a slow, porridge of a side that is crap to watch.

I have been slow to jump on Sheridan's back as he has inherited players that aren't 'his' but for the love of christ results have to be better. The stat that PV posted about midweek is terrifying. We are running out of games now and surely we are at the stage where its clear the players aren't really giving their all for this man. Its just as well there are no fans at the CG as it would not be pleasant for him on a matchday.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 09:29:41
We're going down aren't we, makes sense for any buyer now to wait and then get the club off Power for a song, albeit no doubt we will have all the fall out when all his investors don't get their money back.

At least in Div 4 Curran would only look out of his depth rather than totally clueless as he does at this level.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 09:30:22
But with fans in attendance Power surely would have been forced to bin him off by now.

Think he’s used Covid and empty stadiums to get away with this shit.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 09:30:38
I had to calm down after the game so didn’t post until now.
This feels worse than when Luke and Embleton sleepwalked to relegation - at least you could see what the tactics / game plan was, even if the players weren’t good enough to execute it. Also they all seemed to be giving 100%, whereas last night I’m not sure they all were.
Sheridan shows similarities to the last months of Phil Brown - no idea of best 11, multiple changes every week and no obvious way of playing to create the chances to score / win. Add in the weekly (or twice weekly) masterclasses of defensive ineptitude and we look to be going down. The fact we are still in touch after this run says there are a group of bad teams and we could still get out of it - although looking unlikely.
As Duke says, we get outmuscled / outfought, yet the only discernable tactic seems to be to play 3 or 4 passes at the back then hoof it long to give the opposition the ball (as we don’t win many Second balls).
The only difference I see from Flitcroft’s sterile tactics is that his team just hoofed it higher and further, and without the two or three square passes first.
Whilst I thought Noel Hunt did ok in his short tenure, I was all for giving Sheridan a chance, but this is ridiculous.
Trouble is, if it’s true Curran has to be in the 23, will any young manager want to risk his reputation/ career ?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 09:32:01
We're going down aren't we, makes sense for any buyer now to wait and then get the club off Power for a song, albeit no doubt we will have all the fall out when all his investors don't get their money back.

At least in Div 4 Curran would only look out of his depth rather than totally clueless as he does at this level.

Do you think that's what is happening at Wigan? Hence why all their buyers keep falling through. Do you think they are delaying until they are in L2 and get a cheaper club?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 09:32:04
It infuriates me that after a few miserable years in league 2 we finally clicked and got out of it, only to turn to shite this season and look to be heading back there without a whimper. Nobody seems to take responsibility either. Why do we bother?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 09:33:43
But with fans in attendance Power surely would have been forced to bin him off by now.

Think he’s used Covid and empty stadiums to get away with this shit.

Not sure he ha really got away with anything, more its brought it all home to roost and fucked things up for him.

He has a club he cannot sell without others say so, a club with no assets as the whole ground thing has ground to a halt, no money to run the club or avoid relegation so the club is depreciating in front of his eyes, no way of funding the training ground so no potential income from that.

Without covid he might have managed to pull it off, now its just a shit show that we are all living through.  


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 09:35:34
Do you think that's what is happening at Wigan? Hence why all their buyers keep falling through. Do you think they are delaying until they are in L2 and get a cheaper club?

I don't know to be honest, they (as a football club rather than business) the administration doesn't seem to be being handles particularly well (as we have experienced previously).


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 09:36:47
I just feel flat, don’t have anger to give.

Last night was just so disappointing. We came off the back of a decent points return out of 3 tough games where performances ranged from very good to ok.

I had hope last night, a turning point maybe, I should have known better.  The annoying thing is that we are so close to safety and i 100% think we have quality to get out of it if managed properly


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 09:37:18
Obviously any buyers want it as cheap as possible. Admin with 15 point deduction and relegation would do that job nicely.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 09:44:43
I was of the opinion that constantly changing managers in a season brings instability and that isn't what we need right now - but Sheridan has to go. It constantly feels like, when we look like we're taking a small step forward, we take another massive step back. The performances at home have been absolutely diabolical and we seem to only really give it a go when it's a top team. I think there's enough in the squad we have to stay up but it's clear the manager isn't up to it at all.

The fact Power stuck with Williams for the whole season the last time we got relegated makes me think he won't change it. And who would we even get? He's not gonna pay for someone decent. What an absolute mess. It's easy to blame the pandemic (and yeah it didn't help) but this utter failure to think ahead more than 1 season at a time has come back to bite us in the arse again. I've been pretty defensive of him (whilst not particularly liking him or wanting him here) but as long as Power stays we'll just float around League Two with maybe an odd foray into League One.

The whole infrastructure of the club needs to be ripped apart and we need to start from scratch. Hell, I'd happily take a move away from the County Ground if it meant we could have some success.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 09:49:26
I was of the opinion that constantly changing managers in a season brings instability and that isn't what we need right now - but Sheridan has to go. It constantly feels like, when we look like we're taking a small step forward, we take another massive step back. The performances at home have been absolutely diabolical and we seem to only really give it a go when it's a top team. I think there's enough in the squad we have to stay up but it's clear the manager isn't up to it at all.

The fact Power stuck with Williams for the whole season the last time we got relegated makes me think he won't change it. And who would we even get? He's not gonna pay for someone decent. What an absolute mess. It's easy to blame the pandemic (and yeah it didn't help) but this utter failure to think ahead more than 1 season at a time has come back to bite us in the arse again. I've been pretty defensive of him (whilst not particularly liking him or wanting him here) but as long as Power stays we'll just float around League Two with maybe an odd foray into League One.

The whole infrastructure of the club needs to be ripped apart and we need to start from scratch. Hell, I'd happily take a move away from the County Ground if it meant we could have some success.

At this point I’d gladly bin off Sheridan & Wright & have Mildy in charge.
What’s the worst that could happen?

Quite frankly if it bought us some momentum and success - I’d be all for shutting the doors, turning off the lights and starting again.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 09:50:09
Sadly my two have lost it. They refuse to watch the games now but I am sure once we can get back actually going again they will come back to it.
Wellens had a style and recruited players to fit that style. It was lovely to watch.
We now have no style. The defence and keeper have been told to go long,  no different to Flitcroft. Sheridan is a dinosaur, he has inherited a few decent players but the players look lost.
Last night broke me. I wanted to turn off watching it but my heart told me no.
It was a shambles from the start. At home we are making so many teams look like Man City.

Last night our passing was woeful, physically outmuscled. Plymouth were quicker, kept a shape and sure we needed to change it at halftime and the twat brings on Curran, a player that would struggle in the Conference.
Just hope Power accepts what has been offered and he fucks off taking his East End wide boy followers with him and that dinosaur manager that is clueless.

Cannot believe how Shit we have become yet are not marooned at the base of the league and cut adrift. Forget Saturday, next Tuesday is the game where our fate may well and truly become known.
If Wigan play like Man City then it’s sat have addresses to Barrow and Harrogate.

Still hurting and the club I love is killing me.



It's shocking.
When they were smaller they loved going to see and get pictures Rocky in the bar, and have a bottle of coke and some crisps. Being sat next to the pitch in awe of the players who would all say hello when walking out on the pitch or after the game had finished.
The shitty kiosk food and cup of bovril, the journey up and down the motorway with scarf in the back window stopping in all the services so they could see who else was traveling to football. Proud as punch in their shirts, home games were like away games with the travelling and now even after buying match passes they are "yeah whatever" I'll watch if there is nothing else to do. They have lost the passion its probably my fault because I'm constantly moaning at the quality or lack of.
One sat with me last night to watch after we watched the game v Sunderland that was posted and then we watched the Leicester final and he didn't blink. However last night normal service was resumed, he asked me if I ever think well be that good again. What could I say, because it doesn't look like it for the foreseeable future.
I know Sheridans cousin personally, I don't know if I should start the Spanish inquisition on his notices, I fear if I don't ill regret it but if I do will I lose a good friendship


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 09:56:07
At this point I’d gladly bin off Sheridan & Wright & have Mildy in charge.


Again, I agree.

We know that Sheridan is a poor manager, whereas Mildy just might be a poor manager


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 09:56:54
Sheridan brings nothing. No man-management, no tactical nouse, no detail-oriented planning.

We'd have more chance if we had Noel Hunt and Mildy in the dugout. Nothing will change unless he goes. He will continue to destroy good players and we'll continue to be passive, weak and negative.



Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: RedRag on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 09:57:17
Last night's performance, which emulated the embarrassing Franchise performance, has finally put me in the Sheridan Out camp.

I didn't especially like him but he was experienced and his side did a job on us back in 2010.  The "young manager" doesn't always succeed when inheriting a struggling side mid-season.  The Swindon Wellens left were in a similar boat to the Oldham he  unsuccessfully took over before joining us.

So fair play to some of you whom I admit were swifter to interpret what was right in front of us all.  Sheridan will NOT save us despite a half decent run being all it would take.

We can gas all we like about who might yet still come in and save us from R.  And vilify Sheridan.  Curran.  Any other defender.  But the elephant in the room is Power.  Anyone heard from him lately?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 09:57:32
I know Sheridans cousin personally, I don't know if I should start the Spanish inquisition on his notices, I fear if I don't ill regret it but if I do will I lose a good friendship

Would he be interested in taking the managers job, he couldn't be any less inspiring!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 09:59:50
Sheridan has to go. He clearly doesn't have the dressing room and his car crash post match comments are damaging further.
His appointment is looking an utter disaster as things stand.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: RedRag on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 10:03:17
Would he be interested in taking the managers job, he couldn't be any less inspiring!
Had he been alive, Tomas de Torquemada could certainly have done a job


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 10:11:55
That was nothing short of a disgrace last night. You could see the hurt on Mildys face as well at times. My real pet hate though in football is when players hide behind the manager being shit. They need to appreciate they are going to have to be better than this and play for the club not the manager. Apart from Lyden and Travers they were awful last night, good players doing the basics wrong and just jogging back is equally as bad as Sheridan being shit at his job in my opinion


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 10:14:03
Players at this level are a manifestation of what they're being asked to do and how they're being asked to do it.

Would you do your best at work if your manager was a twat, constantly bollocked you, was useless and leading your team to record bad results? I wouldn't.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 10:15:01
That was nothing short of a disgrace last night. You could see the hurt on Mildys face as well at times. My real pet hate though in football is when players hide behind the manager being shit. They need to appreciate they are going to have to be better than this and play for the club not the manager. Apart from Lyden and Travers they were awful last night, good players doing the basics wrong and just jogging back is equally as bad as Sheridan being shit at his job in my opinion

All true but the real kicker is - all the players will find other clubs and Sheridan will get another management gig. They can all go & wash their hands of this season.

It’s us that are stuck with the ramifications


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 10:23:24
I can't really comment on the game because I couldn't bring myself to watch last night, because I suspected this type of performance was coming. We always seem to have one really good game followed by a complete shit-show the next.

But I will say, good managers will stand up and take the flack for a bad performance. Sheridan blaming the players is so reminiscent of the terrible managers we've had over the years. He has to go.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 10:27:32
Would he be interested in taking the managers job, he couldn't be any less inspiring!

I've bit the bullet and messaged him, I remember telling him so long as we stayed up and beat the piss stains he wound go down well with the fans.
I will keep you informed of his response if it isn't too personal or if I'm told to possibly fuck off.
Out of interest should I question about the running of the club and potential takeover or leave it to what is your cousin going to do to stop this shit from getting worse?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 10:29:13
That was nothing short of a disgrace last night. You could see the hurt on Mildys face as well at times. My real pet hate though in football is when players hide behind the manager being shit. They need to appreciate they are going to have to be better than this and play for the club not the manager. Apart from Lyden and Travers they were awful last night, good players doing the basics wrong and just jogging back is equally as bad as Sheridan being shit at his job in my opinion

Also one of my pet hates in football. Whilst in absolutely no way taking any fault away from Sheridans front door, a lot of the players do need to have a long hard look at themselves as well. They aren’t sheep, blindly relying on every word a manager says to shape their own personal performance.

They are the ones response for individual errors and failure to string a few passes together


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 10:37:09
When was the last time we conceded at least 2 goals for 7 matches in a row? Not even King, Williams, Hart or even Gorman in the Premier League season managed that!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: river monster on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 10:37:34
That was nothing short of a disgrace last night. You could see the hurt on Mildys face as well at times. My real pet hate though in football is when players hide behind the manager being shit. They need to appreciate they are going to have to be better than this and play for the club not the manager. Apart from Lyden and Travers they were awful last night, good players doing the basics wrong and just jogging back is equally as bad as Sheridan being shit at his job in my opinion

I agree with this.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: REDBUCK on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 10:51:07
Players at this level are a manifestation of what they're being asked to do and how they're being asked to do it.

Would you do your best at work if your manager was a twat, constantly bollocked you, was useless and leading your team to record bad results? I wouldn't.

So players at this level can't pass or cross a ball without detailed instruction, they're professional so should be able to do the basics.

To be honest If i was a team mate and some one was downing tools I'd think that was pretty shit.

He may not be showing much nouse with the set up or tactics but to down tools and not do the basics like passing and crossing, taking free kicks and defending solidly from your own corners is pretty shit.



Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 10:55:11
Players at this level are a manifestation of what they're being asked to do and how they're being asked to do it.

Would you do your best at work if your manager was a twat, constantly bollocked you, was useless and leading your team to record bad results? I wouldn't.
I kind of agree but at the end of the day they are professional players. Running back and tackling is a given no matter what, i don't care whether they like him or not. We can't sit here and say Curran replying to DMS is wrong but say we can understand players not giving everything for a manager they don't like.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 10:56:50
All true but the real kicker is - all the players will find other clubs and Sheridan will get another management gig. They can all go & wash their hands of this season.

It’s us that are stuck with the ramifications
Spot on DV


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 10:58:12
So players at this level can't pass or cross a ball without detailed instruction, they're professional so should be able to do the basics.

To be honest If i was a team mate and some one was downing tools I'd think that was pretty shit.

He may not be showing much nouse with the set up or tactics but to down tools and not do the basics like passing and crossing, taking free kicks and defending solidly from your own corners is pretty shit.


Confused minds lead to confused decisions!

If the players don't know what they are being asked to do and are only finding out the starting XI an hour before kick-off they are well within their rights to look lost to be honest. Blame lays firmly with the 'management'.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 11:04:40
Don't under-estimate the importance of confidence either, especially if there's a blame culture.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 11:06:31
I'm with PP.

I think a lot of the time players playing poorly just don't know what they are supposed to be doing. They don't suddenly lose their skills. But they can lose their confidence and conviction in what they do and I think we all know there's a lot of psychologically in sports.

Players jogging back doesn't look good, but what have they been told to do? For all we know some might have been told to stay forward a little and/or instructions might be confusing to them. I don't think it's true that players don't care or don't try hard enough - with some exceptions. I think the manager's tactics and instructions, for want of better words, are making them look bad.

Some of them could barely make simple passes lat night. There's something other than ability and effort going on there.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 11:08:24
I kind of agree but at the end of the day they are professional players. Running back and tackling is a given no matter what, i don't care whether they like him or not. We can't sit here and say Curran replying to DMS is wrong but say we can understand players not giving everything for a manager they don't like.

This is when you have to remember we're fans, and they're professionals. Why on earth would they give everything for that man?

It's the finest of margins and mostly between the ears. Why has Rob Hunt gone from being one of the best fullbacks in the lower leagues to a lost little boy? He hasn't changed physically.

There is no man-management, no togetherness, no plan, no detailed thinking... "go out there and express yourself" and then constantly bollocking them doesn't work. If it did, being a manager would be easy. It's about detailed instructions, nuanced thinking, specific planning and the ability to manage lots of different personalities among a group of young men. Sheridan can't do any of those things.



Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 11:15:26
I am not saying he is good, he is a fucking walking disaster. I understand your points but i feel it's too easy to hide behind that sometimes as a player. I am not having that players will not track back and tackle based on poor instructions, it's just lazy. If it were the case they were lost all the time then we would not see the individual performances that we do from some at times

Charlie Austin on Talksport covered this quite well the other day actually when he said that when players lose faith in a manager they literally just down tools and start doing what they want. It's that i do not agree with


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 11:19:20
All of our better managers have a very clear imprint of how the team plays. Sturrock, two sit deep, diagonals to the wingers, defensive game. Di Canio, rigid and narrow, wingers cutting in, pressing. Wellens - Wellensball, press all over, Doughty controls the game!

Sheridan has nothing. Not even a preferred formation.

I’d genuinely give it to Caddis for the season, or literally anybody else. Someone determined. We’ve zero chance with Sheridan. We need to roll the dice.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 11:20:44
I am not saying he is good, he is a fucking walking disaster. I understand your points but i feel it's too easy to hide behind that sometimes as a player. I am not having that players will not track back and tackle based on poor instructions, it's just lazy. If it were the case they were lost all the time then we would not see the individual performances that we do from some at times

Charlie Austin on Talksport covered this quite well the other day actually when he said that when players lose faith in a manager they literally just down tools and start doing what they want. It's that i do not agree with
Again I disagree, Sheridan has seemingly told the players not to 'overcomplicate things' and when they do something he doesn't like he just bollocks them from the side lines.  He's pretty much told them to just lump the ball out from the back so the players are just interpreting his instructions to avoid getting moaned at.
Other than the fraud that was brought on as a sub none of these players are designed for long ball football so its hardly surprising they look lost and devoid of any ability to do it!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 11:21:27
Disgraceful is the only word I can think of to describe last night's performance - I actually turned it off when the second goal went in.  Been reading some of the comments from Plymouth fans, very interesting.  "Worst team we have played this season" and "what a difference a year makes, they were really good last season" seems to be the way they saw it.

It seems obvious Sheridan has lost the dressing room and the greater majority of the fans as well!  Perhaps it is as well that there are no fans in the ground, a mini riot could well have been on the cards after that excuse for a footy team last night.

Where do we go from here?  Without a change of coaching staff all I can see is Harrogate, Barrow and Torquay - if we still have a club to support.  I will not be renewing my ST for next season as things stand at the present time








Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 11:25:26
Even if the players don’t have a clue what the tactics / game plan are they should still be able to the basics.

Defending is still keeping the ball out of your net
Attacking is still putting the ball in the oppositions net.

Even if everything in between is completely lost on everyone


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 11:29:35
So players at this level can't pass or cross a ball without detailed instruction, they're professional so should be able to do the basics.

To be honest If i was a team mate and some one was downing tools I'd think that was pretty shit.

He may not be showing much nouse with the set up or tactics but to down tools and not do the basics like passing and crossing, taking free kicks and defending solidly from your own corners is pretty shit.


Spot on. For personal pride if nothing else, even if the team is a shambles, you can still put in a shift and leave the pitch with your head held high


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 11:32:37
Even if the players don’t have a clue what the tactics / game plan are they should still be able to the basics.

Defending is still keeping the ball out of your net
Attacking is still putting the ball in the oppositions net.

Even if everything in between is completely lost on everyone
But again if you don't know where you are playing your positional sense is going to be all over the place. If you don't know what the tactics are for build up play are then you are going to have players with completely different ideas, I mean we had a striker playing last night who none of the players had ever trained with yet alone seen play.

Also I can't imagine they ever envisaged a situation where they had a ball boy playing in the centre of a back 3.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 11:33:08
Watching the game last night, Plymouth weren't great, but they were what we should have been - a decent enough side that earned promotion from League 2 and is now finding it's feet as an average League 1 side. They'll finish comfortably midtable and can then have a look at whether they want to kick on next season and push for the top end of the division or stick with what they've got, most of that dependent on finance and the COVID situation I'd guess. Why can't we ever just do things the boring way, why do we seem to have to follow every success by imploding?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 11:33:39
Spot on. For personal pride if nothing else, even if the team is a shambles, you can still put in a shift and leave the pitch with your head held high
Exactly


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 11:36:29
So players at this level can't pass or cross a ball without detailed instruction, they're professional so should be able to do the basics.

To be honest If i was a team mate and some one was downing tools I'd think that was pretty shit.

He may not be showing much nouse with the set up or tactics but to down tools and not do the basics like passing and crossing, taking free kicks and defending solidly from your own corners is pretty shit.



Yep, bang on

It’s 90% Sheridan’s fault not 100%


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 11:40:49
Yep, bang on

It’s 90% Sheridan’s fault not 100%
But it is mainly down to the way the players are being used. The manager being shit isn't an excuse for not doing the basics, but Panda Paws is right, they could have all worked their bollocks off last night and we'd still have got nothing.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 11:41:05
Again I disagree, Sheridan has seemingly told the players not to 'overcomplicate things' and when they do something he doesn't like he just bollocks them from the side lines.  He's pretty much told them to just lump the ball out from the back so the players are just interpreting his instructions to avoid getting moaned at.
Other than the fraud that was brought on as a sub none of these players are designed for long ball football so its hardly surprising they look lost and devoid of any ability to do it!
You disagree they should be able to run back and tackle?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 11:45:20
You disagree they should be able to run back and tackle?
If your brain is scrambled you make bad decisions. 90% of football is repeatable movements and doing things without needing to think about it. At the moment it is clear what they are doing isn't coming naturally to a lot of the players, the moment they start having to think is where mistakes start happening and puts them a yard off the pace. Being a yard off the pace is a mile in football and puts you out of position and unable to tackle. As I said before confused minds lead to confused decisions.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 11:46:10
But again if you don't know where you are playing your positional sense is going to be all over the place. If you don't know what the tactics are for build up play are then you are going to have players with completely different ideas, I mean we had a striker playing last night who none of the players had ever trained with yet alone seen play.

Also I can't imagine they ever envisaged a situation where they had a ball boy playing in the centre of a back 3.

I get your point but defending in its simplest form is still just stop the other team from scoring. Even if you pick a man and stick him and kick the ball into row z any time you get it.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 11:47:40
If your brain is scrambled you make bad decisions. 90% of football is repeatable movements and doing things without needing to think about it. At the moment it is clear what they are doing isn't coming naturally to a lot of the players, the moment they start having to think is where mistakes start happening and puts them a yard off the pace. Being a yard off the pace is a mile in football and puts you out of position and unable to tackle. As I said before confused minds lead to confused decisions.
That's a fair point. But I think what we saw last night from some, not all, was more in the Charlie Austin* downing tools camp


* as in what SR described Charlie Austin talking about on the radio, not saying he actually did that himself


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 11:49:29
If your brain is scrambled you make bad decisions. 90% of football is repeatable movements and doing things without needing to think about it. At the moment it is clear what they are doing isn't coming naturally to a lot of the players, the moment they start having to think is where mistakes start happening and puts them a yard off the pace. Being a yard off the pace is a mile in football and puts you out of position and unable to tackle. As I said before confused minds lead to confused decisions.
We will agree to disagree on that buddy . If an instruction you don't understand as simple as kick it up field confuses you enough to be able to scramble your mind and make it impossible to track back and put a foot in i question their ability to be playing football at any level


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 11:52:20
That's a fair point. But I think what we saw last night from some, not all, was more in the Charlie Austin* downing tools camp


* as in what SR described Charlie Austin talking about on the radio, not saying he actually did that himself
I'm still not sure, I think all the leaders or vocal players have been ripped out of that team (for reasons we can just guess) and as a result we are left with a complete lack of experience and leadership on that pitch. The players just seem to be wondering around in a daze looking completely lost to me which is hardly surprising when the 'tactics' and 'formation' (I use those words loosely) are unfathomable and change from week to week.

Ultimately it's a job to the players, I know that if I had no clear instructions and didn't know what I was doing in my job my 'performance' wouldn't be great.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 11:52:22
Meanwhile, courtesy of the EFL on my timeline this morning, a reminder of what a manager with a consistent style of play looks like. Thanks for that. Good timing.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=858544298318979


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 11:58:19
Meanwhile, courtesy of the EFL on my timeline this morning, a reminder of what a manager with a consistent style of play looks like. Thanks for that. Good timing.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=858544298318979

His 'style' doesn't seem to be working overly well either, only 1 win in their last 5 games.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 12:02:45
His 'style' doesn't seem to be working overly well either, only 1 win in their last 5 games.
The last unbeaten side at home in the top 5 divisions though.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 12:04:57
The last unbeaten side at home in the top 5 divisions though.
Home/away completely irrelevant this season IMO. Their form has dropped off since Wellens started being able to sign players....


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 12:14:13
Home/away completely irrelevant this season IMO. Their form has dropped off since Wellens started being able to sign players....

He always emphasised that it takes a while to coach a team into playing a particular way.

We may have to disagree about his qualities as a manager, but I was reminded of what it felt like to have a boss who had a clear plan, and was able to articulate it.

Listening to Sheridan's aimless drivel after every game, I miss that. And I expect the players do too.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 12:37:17
He always emphasised that it takes a while to coach a team into playing a particular way.

We may have to disagree about his qualities as a manager, but I was reminded of what it felt like to have a boss who had a clear plan, and was able to articulate it.

Listening to Sheridan's aimless drivel after every game, I miss that. And I expect the players do too.
Oh don't get me wrong he had a set plan whereas Sheridan plays lottery football. However I still think having a striker going through a freak season in terms of goal scoring papered over a few cracks. Doyle was the difference for us last season, take him out of the equation and we'd have been in the play-offs at best IMO as prolific goal scorers make all the difference and his goal scoring run from Stevenage home game set us on our way.

Also worth remembering they were pretty much in the same position as they are now when Wellens joined as Alexander wasn't exactly doing a bad job. No idea the style Alexander had them playing though....


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 13:08:13
I'm with Theakston in regard to players tactically/technically lost via zero guidance/instruction from the manager.

I think as fans, some see tactics or even the basics as the same kind of instruction as many of us may have experienced at youth or possibly Sunday League level. Several not really looking at it with "elite level" eyes or minds. Where the margins for success are much finer yet make a huge difference.

Let's say there is a club level sprinter. They aren't paid but they train within their own means/personal budget. They do all the basics right and that's good enough to be selected for an event or two; maybe even good enough to qualify for a national qualifier selection event. It then hits home as they see the competition is much, much more detailed, fitter, faster, have defined training and diet regimes, are sponsored by a major brand which enables them to focus full time, has a professional coach and everything about their life is monitored. They follow instruction to the rule because they know this is a direct path to success and they must be disciplined enough, as well as have the correct guidance to achieve this.

Back to the club level sprinter. He's good enough, he can do the basics to some degree and has posted good times but those things are no longer good enough to compete in that elite level. He recognises he needs the extra tools, like those he is now competing with so he gets a coach, one that possibly has told them they can provide them with the tools they need to gain success. What he doesn't realise at first is that this coach isn't very good. But as he's seen others in his field, he needs to follow instruction to the letter in order to get the success he knows he is capable of. But due to his coach not being so great, there are parts missing still that others have and these fine margins (as mentioned above) make a huge difference. Especially in sprinting where we're talking maybe 5millisecs between 1st and 3rd, maybe 10millisecs between 1st and not qualifying.

We can apply a similar process across all elite sport. Pretty much every part has to be consistently brilliant, not just one or two bits. Can't "just" apply the basics and hope that that is good enough. Not at pro level. That is why some of these players are confused. Not because they don't know how to pass or shoot or head etc. but the instruction is devoid and conflicts with probably nearly everything they have been drilled to understand to date.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Lambo75 on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 13:10:28
Sheridan seems like a no hoper.

Not that great as a pro footballer.
Not that great as a manager.

Johnny Average all the way around.

We have players that can play, we just need someone with a clear way of managing that can get the best out of what we've got. Someone to give a bit of oomph to this lot and quickly.

Curran is a joke. Whatever that situation is, needs sorting out. We have better in the academy than him.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: tans on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 13:11:57
I work with someone who cycled in the Commonwealth Games and was world Junior champion in track cycling. He packed it in due to the pressure etc.

Was mentored by and touted as the next Chris Hoy too


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: JBZ on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 13:14:27
Sheridan seems like a no hoper.

Not that great as a pro footballer.
Not that great as a manager.

Johnny Average all the way around.

We have players that can play, we just need someone with a clear way of managing that can get the best out of what we've got. Someone to give a bit of oomph to this lot and quickly.

Curran is a joke. Whatever that situation is, needs sorting out. We have better in the academy than him.

In fairness, JS was a decent player.

I am also losing a bit a faith in him as a manager.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 13:18:23
Sheridan seems like a no hoper.

Not that great as a pro footballer.
Not that great as a manager.
TBH "Not that great" would be fine. Instead we seem to have "utterly fucking abysmal"


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 13:28:32
I work with someone who cycled in the Commonwealth Games and was world Junior champion in track cycling. He packed it in due to the pressure etc.

Was mentored by and touted as the next Chris Hoy too

Was that due to the added demands it put on his life (as he knew it) Tans? I can in some way appreciate that. I was at school with a middle distance running lad, who was bandied as a future potential GB medal hope. He also packed in due to the demands/pressures enforced by UK Sport.

It's a side many don't ever see, let alone understand when we get to cheer/celebrate a medalist on a podium. Incredible sacrifices from anything considered a normal lifestyle. Always some form of price to pay.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 13:31:47
Sheridan seems like a no hoper.

Not that great as a pro footballer.
Not that great as a manager.

Johnny Average all the way around.

We have players that can play, we just need someone with a clear way of managing that can get the best out of what we've got. Someone to give a bit of oomph to this lot and quickly.

Curran is a joke. Whatever that situation is, needs sorting out. We have better in the academy than him.

It’s totally irrelevant but he was a bloody good player at pretty much the highest level.

Anything else is complete revisionist history


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 13:32:47
I work with someone who cycled in the Commonwealth Games and was world Junior champion in track cycling. He packed it in due to the pressure etc.

Was mentored by and touted as the next Chris Hoy too

Who just out of interest?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 13:33:40
I'm with Theakston in regard to players tactically/technically lost via zero guidance/instruction from the manager.

I think as fans, some see tactics or even the basics as the same kind of instruction as many of us may have experienced at youth or possibly Sunday League level. Several not really looking at it with "elite level" eyes or minds. Where the margins for success are much finer yet make a huge difference.

Let's say there is a club level sprinter. They aren't paid but they train within their own means/personal budget. They do all the basics right and that's good enough to be selected for an event or two; maybe even good enough to qualify for a national qualifier selection event. It then hits home as they see the competition is much, much more detailed, fitter, faster, have defined training and diet regimes, are sponsored by a major brand which enables them to focus full time, has a professional coach and everything about their life is monitored. They follow instruction to the rule because they know this is a direct path to success and they must be disciplined enough, as well as have the correct guidance to achieve this.

Back to the club level sprinter. He's good enough, he can do the basics to some degree and has posted good times but those things are no longer good enough to compete in that elite level. He recognises he needs the extra tools, like those he is now competing with so he gets a coach, one that possibly has told them they can provide them with the tools they need to gain success. What he doesn't realise at first is that this coach isn't very good. But as he's seen others in his field, he needs to follow instruction to the letter in order to get the success he knows he is capable of. But due to his coach not being so great, there are parts missing still that others have and these fine margins (as mentioned above) make a huge difference. Especially in sprinting where we're talking maybe 5millisecs between 1st and 3rd, maybe 10millisecs between 1st and not qualifying.

We can apply a similar process across all elite sport. Pretty much every part has to be consistently brilliant, not just one or two bits. Can't "just" apply the basics and hope that that is good enough. Not at pro level. That is why some of these players are confused. Not because they don't know how to pass or shoot or head etc. but the instruction is devoid and conflicts with probably nearly everything they have been drilled to understand to date.
Whilst that is a great theory regarding tactics we are talking about the basics, no one is saying the instructions are clear as we know they are not but again it goes back to effort and the basics,that's nothing to do with understanding the tactics


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: tans on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 13:35:17
Who just out of interest?

Sent you a dm


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: tans on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 13:36:47
Was that due to the added demands it put on his life (as he knew it) Tans? I can in some way appreciate that. I was at school with a middle distance running lad, who was bandied as a future potential GB medal hope. He also packed in due to the demands/pressures enforced by UK Sport.

It's a side many don't ever see, let alone understand when we get to cheer/celebrate a medalist on a podium. Incredible sacrifices from anything considered a normal lifestyle. Always some form of price to pay.

Im not entirely sure to be honest, i think his funding may have been cut or something like that. He doesnt talk about it much to be fair


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 13:40:01

Not that great as a pro footballer.


Agree with all except this. He was a pretty decent footballer in his prime. Ask Wednesday fans and any Republic of Ireland follower. He did do what many never do, went to two World Cups and a Euros.

However, we're talking about him as a manager and he's quite poor.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: RedRag on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 13:40:05
It’s totally irrelevant but he was a bloody good player at pretty much the highest level.

Anything else is complete revisionist history

This


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 13:43:24
Fuck me, players don’t need clear and concise tactics in order to get the notion that they should try and stop the other team from scoring.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 13:45:05
Whilst that is a great theory regarding tactics we are talking about the basics, no one is saying the instructions are clear as we know they are not but again it goes back to effort and the basics,that's nothing to do with understanding the tactics

That is kind of my point though (which we might disagree on), the basics alone at elite level just aren't enough to be good enough. I get that you are saying they are also currently appear to be missing but my point furthered reasons as to why. I can definitely see why, on the surface, that it might look like they've lost any basic ability but there is more to it than that.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 13:45:40
Agree with all except this. He was a pretty decent footballer in his prime. Ask Wednesday fans and any Republic of Ireland follower. He did do what many never do, went to two World Cups and a Euros.

However, we're talking about him as a manager and he's quite poor.

Chuck in a winning goal in a league cup final as well


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 13:49:18
Im not entirely sure to be honest, i think his funding may have been cut or something like that. He doesnt talk about it much to be fair

That's totally understandable and reflects similar to the guy I know/knew. I do wonder sometimes what they might be doing now and if that motivates them enough to have a full life. I'm sure it does to some degree but there must be a certain part that (when you know you have a certain level of talent) nags away at them. I know it would with me.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 13:51:40
Fuck me, players don’t need clear and concise tactics in order to get the notion that they should try and stop the other team from scoring.

Of course but you are more than clever enough to know that at professional level, there is a bit more to it than that. If there wasn't all of us would have been pro footballers and now managing elite level sports instead of talking about it at lunchtime on a footy forum  :)


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: RedRag on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 13:55:13
For me the culprit is Power.

Sheridan has been a jobbing lower league manager of very modest attainment but he has actually maintained a career deserving of a modicum of respect.

He arrives here at the tail end of that career, faltering coaching powers and. almost certainly, a bad attitude to man management.

On the pitch, he is 90% responsible for what is happening in terms of performance

It may be unattractive but why doubt Charlie Austin's "downing tools" insight.  There comes a time when futile "King & Country" orders to charge across the trenches lose credibility.  Without even the anger or encouragement of a crowd, the manager's role is even more determining.

On the playing side, I would pick out Matt Smith.  Earlier this season he knew what he was trying to do and his creative passing, especially through balls, constantly gave opposing sides pause for thought.  That is gone.  You need a system and other players making the runs.  His precious talent, the creative pass, is now superfluous.  He still runs about and tries but last night he seemed to lose the will.  I sympathize.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 14:00:22
Of course but you are more than clever enough to know that at professional level, there is a bit more to it than that. If there wasn't all of us would have been pro footballers and now managing elite level sports instead of talking about it at lunchtime on a footy forum  :)

I do of course fully understand there is a lot to it than just defending.
However, if all the tactics are lost in translation (if they even exist) then I’d suggest the defence would/could/should revert to the very basics. Stick to your man, stay in a line and clear the ball.

The ball would keep coming back at us, we’d probably still concede anyway if the opposition are half decent.

It’s a complete regression for a professional football player but I’d expect them to revert to the basics than to complete forget the basics.



Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 14:11:00
See he’s slagging off the players again in the Adver.

The sooner this comes to a head the better.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 14:11:25
I do of course fully understand there is a lot to it than just defending.
However, if all the tactics are lost in translation (if they even exist) then I’d suggest the defence would/could/should revert to the very basics. Stick to your man, stay in a line and clear the ball.

It’s a complete regression for a professional football player but I’d expect them to revert to the basics than to complete forget the basics.



I know you do really, which is why I highlighted you knowing so :)

And what you say on the surface of it is correct in its simplest form but that still won't work if the opposition are doing more than the basics. It goes back to being able to compete and the top levels need more than just the basics. But I appreciate that the squad should be able to revert to it, it's just my belief/opinion that in order to beat/compete with teams they need to be capable of doing more than that.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 14:30:06
See he’s slagging off the players again in the Adver.

The sooner this comes to a head the better.

Thats not entirely fair, he was merely pointing out that they are not Premier Legaue standard, which is obviously why we pay him for such astute and incisive opinions...

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/19042346.john-sheridan-says-players-not-premier-league-standard/

I know its the Advertiser but he does come across as a particularly clueless and obnoxious arse!


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 14:37:55
Well, he’s not a PL manager. Still wrong to go public that the players are not carrying out his instructions - if, indeed, there are any.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 14:41:45
In fairness to the grumpy northern wanker, they haven't yet shown they're even League One standard


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 14:45:38
I'm with Bamboo on this.  I'm  not giving the players a pass, the early season mistakes were personal issues.

Saying "just defend" is a massive over simplification.  As evidence I present the late 80's Arsenal defence.  Individually, they were pretty good, but not always the best in their own position in the league at that time.  Together, as a unit, they were impressive.  That was a taught system of defending, not just relying on their individual talent.  As Bamboo states, the margins are thin in professional sport - most players earning at this level are pretty good.  The difference in teams tends to be the coaching and the belief all mixed together.

Another piece of evidence.  I had the pleasure of listening to a Sports Psychologist talk about his time with Darren Clarke, the golfer.  He'd won his first major I think , or been top 10, something like that, but then he dropped within a year to 150ish in the world.  He discussed how fragile the professional sport persons confidence can be, and those thin margins.  Darren had started to believe his method was flawed, that he wasn't going to hit the perfect shot etc.

Our team right now has the perfect blend of both issues, the bad stuff.

We do not have a clear plan - the players are not being drilled - they simply cannot be because we change formation every week and players.  Conroy said in his comments that moving to a bacl three was OK because they'd done that recently.  That just belies the issue - just because we put three centre backs together does not mean they all know precisely where to position when defending, and more critically, how to position when we HAVE the ball (because we are conceding a lot in transition).

The Arsenal team was drilled - old skool maybe, using rope to keep them in line, but then it became an ingrained behaviour.  Over time, you know where to be, you trust the others to be where they need to be.  Our lot are playing while trying to remember where they should be, they probably are not sure of the person next to them either.

On top of that, we have players trying to figure it out for themselves and, it seems as an observer, having to rely on their individual talent.  Of course they can pass a ball, of course they can cross, of course Thompson can take a free kick.  It's a fine margin if your confidence is not 100% though, and that free kick now looks highly unlikely to get over the wall, so I'll try and add a bit more height, oops, I've slipped and now it hit the Town End roof.

That bit, a good coach can be working with them to build their confidence - lets try it again, you can do this.  Players probably can take more personal responsibility here, and it seems they probably have to because their is no evidence others are helping them much.

If we rely on our team trying to play to their best as individuals, we will fail, we are failing.  They will look like they can't do the basics, they will look foolish, they will concede goals and look disorganised in attack.

I hated Flitcroft - he is better than Sheridan as a coach.  Terrible style but he drilled the players to play.  He'd get more out of this team results wise, b ut it would be just as painful to watch.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 15:06:10
One thing I will say about Sheridan....

He is galvanizing the fans and players, into hating him.

It is damn rare to have a manager so universally disliked by players and fans alike.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 15:07:07
Except for Mex  ;)


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 15:09:18
Mex is a wrong un

:)


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 16:02:01


The Arsenal team was drilled - old skool maybe, using rope to keep them in line, but then it became an ingrained behaviour.  Over time, you know where to be, you trust the others to be where they need to be.  Our lot are playing while trying to remember where they should be, they probably are not sure of the person next to them either.


Give this lot a length of rope they'd finish up strangling each other.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 16:05:53
Issue is does Power actually care at the moment to do anything about it ? adding yet another expense on to the balance sheet of paying Sheridan until the end of the season for sacking him, and then paying a new manager as well.

The starting 11 last night are better than those we had on day 1 of this season, on paper they should be good enough to pick up enough points to survive, but on recent evidence we could go down with a record goals against tally.

Sheridan needs to go and I think Wright needs to follow him to have a clean sweep.

Not sure who we could bring in as it is now clearly a rescue mission and a race for points, perhaps someone like Alan Mac or Lee Peacock who have experience of coaching with the youth setup and for them to bring in an experienced assistant to help them until the end of the season, or for Jewell to step out of his comfort zone.

If we went down nobody would blame them as we are already heading that way, but if they can drill these players and bring about an improvement on the pitch and pick up enough points to stay up they would improve themselves and their reputation in the game, and we can review everything at the end of the season.

I'm not sure fans have been this united in wanting the manager out for a long time, even under Williams, Brown & Flitcroft there was still fans who thought they deserved more time, but with Sheridan I am no longer reading comments about him needing more time or give him time with his players etc, there seems to be a united wanting of him gone now.

I do feel for the Smith's we have had on loan, they look decent but the current manager is incompetent of playing them to their strengths.



Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BoA Vagabond on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 16:10:41
I have read most of the comments on here regarding last night's painful, shit show non-event football match. It was woeful and difficult to watch. Sheridan should be gone. If he is still here tomorrow then I fear that nothing will change and the season is over. I will assume that the taking for granted of our loyalty and cash will continue as normal.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 16:11:31
Paul Caddis ?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 16:21:04
Quote from: swindonmaniac
Paul Caddis ?

what about him?


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: tans on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 16:22:16
Going aint he


Title: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 16:27:32
yeah, back to sweaty land I reckon


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 18:18:16
Issue is does Power actually care at the moment to do anything about it ? adding yet another expense on to the balance sheet of paying Sheridan until the end of the season for sacking him, and then paying a new manager as well.

The starting 11 last night are better than those we had on day 1 of this season, on paper they should be good enough to pick up enough points to survive, but on recent evidence we could go down with a record goals against tally.

Sheridan needs to go and I think Wright needs to follow him to have a clean sweep.

Not sure who we could bring in as it is now clearly a rescue mission and a race for points, perhaps someone like Alan Mac or Lee Peacock who have experience of coaching with the youth setup and for them to bring in an experienced assistant to help them until the end of the season, or for Jewell to step out of his comfort zone.

If we went down nobody would blame them as we are already heading that way, but if they can drill these players and bring about an improvement on the pitch and pick up enough points to stay up they would improve themselves and their reputation in the game, and we can review everything at the end of the season.

I'm not sure fans have been this united in wanting the manager out for a long time, even under Williams, Brown & Flitcroft there was still fans who thought they deserved more time, but with Sheridan I am no longer reading comments about him needing more time or give him time with his players etc, there seems to be a united wanting of him gone now.

I do feel for the Smith's we have had on loan, they look decent but the current manager is incompetent of playing them to their strengths.



But he knows how to spot a Centre Half and bring him on when needs must.😭


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 18:20:28
One thing I will say about Sheridan....

He is galvanizing the fans and players, into hating him.

It is damn rare to have a manager so universally disliked by players and fans alike.

As always spot on.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 18:41:06
what about him?
reply to Power to the Peoples comment, just not posted fast enough !.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 19:14:27
Whilst no fans are in attendance not sure how we can show our obvious disapproval. A hull thrashing on Saturday might be enough for power but you never want to wish a defeat especially as we need the points so badly.

The only realistic option is the power of social media. Doesn’t take a lot get things trending but could pick a relatively quiet day like Sunday for a #dinosaurout

The most painful thing about watching this at the moment is the knowledge that there is a good team hiding in this shit. A new gaffa could turn this toxic tide


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 19:38:57
Whilst no fans are in attendance not sure how we can show our obvious disapproval. A hull thrashing on Saturday might be enough for power but you never want to wish a defeat especially as we need the points so badly.

The only realistic option is the power of social media. Doesn’t take a lot get things trending but could pick a relatively quiet day like Sunday for a #dinosaurout

The most painful thing about watching this at the moment is the knowledge that there is a good team hiding in this shit. A new gaffa could turn this toxic tide

Good post and couldn't agree more but the problem we have is good managers cost money and we're entering into the unknown with Powers court case looming so can't see him caring too much about changing things if deep down he knows he may be off soon


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 19:48:44
Good post and couldn't agree more but the problem we have is good managers cost money and we're entering into the unknown with Powers court case looming so can't see him caring too much about changing things if deep down he knows he may be off soon

power made too much effort last season and has made too many signings in January to show that he doesn’t care about relegation. If he goes then a league 1 club is still worth more than a league 2 club.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 19:50:29
power made too much effort last season and has made too many signings in January to show that he doesn’t care about relegation. If he goes then a league 1 club is still worth more than a league 2 club.

If that’s the case, then retaining Sheridan shows that he knows less about football than he suggests he knows.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 20:36:20
Just something that came to mind - Sheridan in the post-match presser said that we didn't train on Monday due to the weather.

So... did we actually do any preparation for the game yesterday? Even if you can't use the pitch for "training", they could have used conference rooms to discuss tactics. Certainly didn't look like any prep was done for yesterdays game


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 21:10:37
Issue is does Power actually care at the moment to do anything about it ? adding yet another expense on to the balance sheet of paying Sheridan until the end of the season for sacking him, and then paying a new manager as well.

I'll happily start a GoFundMe/Kickstarter to pay off the cunt's remaining wage if he won't do the honourable thing and walk. Will also include his estimated BFH, about £17.50 on MegaBus from Birmingham to Manchester. He can make his own way to Brum from here.

3months wages, what we reckon? £10k a month? Reckon we can raise £30k...£6 per fan at 5k fans...hmmm....that'd be a piece of piss if most got on board? We wouldn't actually pay the cunt off but it would be a massive message to Power that fans don't want him here. We could then donate the £30k to the Trust or FITC (or £15k each).

I don't think I have ever wanted a manager further away from our club before and I genuinely take into consideration his off-field troubles too when saying this.

He's gotta go. If he can't recognise that it's not working here then he needs telling.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchd
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 21:26:44
Quote from: JoeMezz
Just something that came to mind - Sheridan in the post-match presser said that we didn't train on Monday due to the weather.

So... did we actually do any preparation for the game yesterday? Even if you can't use the pitch for "training", they could have used conference rooms to discuss tactics. Certainly didn't look like any prep was done for yesterdays game


Foundation park isn't doing a lot under lockdown. I guess the snow may not have melted.

I'm sure they do discuss tactics, but it looked like the team was put together a day late and a dollar short


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 21:47:11
Paul Caddis ?

Caddy has already been neeps and tatties deep since Rabbie Burns night. As far as I'm aware he hasn't been involved in 1st team affairs since as long as 22nd Jan.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, January 27, 2021, 21:51:44

Foundation park isn't doing a lot under lockdown. I guess the snow may not have melted.
There was snow and ice on FP pitch on Monday so it couldn't be safely used to train


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, January 28, 2021, 00:02:05
Caddy has already been neeps and tatties deep since Rabbie Burns night. As far as I'm aware he hasn't been involved in 1st team affairs since as long as 22nd Jan.
Power to the people was asking who we could bring in now management wise, my reply was Paul Caddis, could do a lot worse, no management experience but plenty on the pitch,  sure he would show a lot more passion and interest than Sheridan, certainly wouldn't be any worse.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, January 28, 2021, 00:05:40
I'll happily start a GoFundMe/Kickstarter to pay off the cunt's remaining wage if he won't do the honourable thing and walk. Will also include his estimated BFH, about £17.50 on MegaBus from Birmingham to Manchester. He can make his own way to Brum from here.
I'd gladly drive him to Birmingham as long as he promised not to come back  And I'd pay for the petrol.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, January 28, 2021, 01:04:17
Power to the people was asking who we could bring in now management wise, my reply was Paul Caddis, could do a lot worse, no management experience but plenty on the pitch,  sure he would show a lot more passion and interest than Sheridan, certainly wouldn't be any worse.

Ah ok, I got you. I think even without a direct reply, the general consensus is that Caddy has just past Cold Chapel on the A74, so it's unlikely he'll be taking the County Ground mantle.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, January 28, 2021, 08:01:55
Think you're probably correct,  was just a personal choice, can't see many other worthy options out there at the moment.
In a nutshell, as things look at the moment we're doomed.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Thursday, January 28, 2021, 08:05:40
I had a reply from my mate yesterday but wasn't sure what he said would be of any interest or believed as it isn't aimed directly or solely at us.
So, watered down.

Players at all levels are breaking the rules, not adhering to government guidelines on social mixing. With the attitude of what can you do to me? Unless you've a multi million pound squad, with like for like replacements lined up you have to play your best 11 so they're is no punishment. Player power is holding the trump card.

Players close to retirement are being offered peanuts to what they know they're worth in a take it or leave it approach. This isn't just at town, this is across the lower leagues, like a silent pact between owners. However you then get a chairman who will renege on the verbal agreement and sign someone for more than they were offered elsewhere. Knowing it won't take a much bigger offer to sign the individual and still at a good price to the club.

What he did say, and echoes what someone said about no training on Monday, training is all up in the air, getting everyone together is proving tricky. The discipline has all but disappeared, there is very little interest and very little ramifications.

Like I said this isn't directed at us as a club, my friends brother in law also plays football and more of this came from him than JS himself.

I don't know what to believe, nor saying this isn't true but it isn't aimed at town perse but a broad spectrum of the lower leagues.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: RedRag on Thursday, January 28, 2021, 08:31:54
I had a reply from my mate yesterday but wasn't sure what he said would be of any interest or believed as it isn't aimed directly or solely at us.
So, watered down.

Players at all levels are breaking the rules, not adhering to government guidelines on social mixing. With the attitude of what can you do to me? Unless you've a multi million pound squad, with like for like replacements lined up you have to play your best 11 so they're is no punishment. Player power is holding the trump card.

Players close to retirement are being offered peanuts to what they know they're worth in a take it or leave it approach. This isn't just at town, this is across the lower leagues, like a silent pact between owners. However you then get a chairman who will renege on the verbal agreement and sign someone for more than they were offered elsewhere. Knowing it won't take a much bigger offer to sign the individual and still at a good price to the club.

What he did say, and echoes what someone said about no training on Monday, training is all up in the air, getting everyone together is proving tricky. The discipline has all but disappeared, there is very little interest and very little ramifications.

Like I said this isn't directed at us as a club, my friends brother in law also plays football and more of this came from him than JS himself.

I don't know what to believe, nor saying this isn't true but it isn't aimed at town perse but a broad spectrum of the lower leagues.
Thanks for sharing. 

Looks like there'll be some interesting material for Costanza to explore once/if ever we return to normal.

This season seems like a great opportunity for better managed clubs to take advantage.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Thursday, January 28, 2021, 10:49:14
Skipto’s email highlights the impact of not having a proper training ground.
We are reliant on public facilities and that probably impacts on discipline. It may also explain why the pitch has been in a worse condition this season than for a long time.
We also have a lot of players here for the short term, so they are probably in many cases flat or house sharing and far from families, which is likely to reduce compliance with rules.
I’m not making excuses for Sheridan - who if he ever possessed the plot has lost it now - but it highlights what a new manager would have to contend with.


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: THE FLASH on Thursday, January 28, 2021, 11:48:02
I'd gladly drive him to Birmingham as long as he promised not to come back  And I'd pay for the petrol.

That would be a first!

I will chip with the Pasties and Red Bull at the Services (after we drop him off).


Title: Re: Swindon v Plymouth pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Thursday, January 28, 2021, 18:00:49
power made too much effort last season and has made too many signings in January to show that he doesn’t care about relegation. If he goes then a league 1 club is still worth more than a league 2 club.

If he goes next month he won't give a flying fuck what happens after