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Title: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: Red Frog on Saturday, November 21, 2020, 16:44:36
Hopefully a bit of perspective will be restored on the TEF after that. Not pretty, but several players put in a proper shift, admittedly against limited opposition.


Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: Panda Paws on Saturday, November 21, 2020, 16:46:23
Donohue just edges it for me, but plenty deserve credit, particularly Baudry and Kovar for their bouncebackability.


Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, November 21, 2020, 16:47:11
Donohue. 1 blip almost very costly with header off the post. however it didnt go in so he can have it


Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, November 21, 2020, 16:48:03
Matt Smith was excellent as ever. Grant and Kovar played their best games of the season, despite the former pretty clearly carrying an injury from the first half on. But going Donohue, solid and read the game really well.


Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: Anteater on Saturday, November 21, 2020, 16:48:23
Odimayo or Donahue


Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, November 21, 2020, 16:54:52
Matt Smith was excellent as ever. Grant and Kovar played their best games of the season, despite the former pretty clearly carrying an injury from the first half on. But going Donohue, solid and read the game really well.

The grant "injury" looked extremely suspect to me at the time. I have a feeling he thought it might be given against him and he played the victim to ensure there was no doubt for the ref. he went from leg break hand waving to back on within 2 mins.



Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: Batch on Saturday, November 21, 2020, 17:04:16
Odimayo for me.


Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, November 21, 2020, 17:04:55
Either of the full backs for me, would plump for odimayo slightly


Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, November 21, 2020, 17:09:23
Donohue for me, hardly put a foot wrong all game.


Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: JoeMezz on Saturday, November 21, 2020, 17:13:14
Voted Baudry, thought he made a massive difference at the back. Agree that Odimayo and Donohue had good games though


Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: bamboonoshop on Saturday, November 21, 2020, 17:27:09
One swallow and all that (as even Tommy Wright alluded to)...

I would give it to Grant today for the absolutely beautiful shithousery in his "injury". Classic Grant and he was more the player we saw last season.
6.5/10

Donohue was also the player we have seen and been believed to have. Solid from him and exactly what you want from a defender.
8/10

Odimayo gets a mention as he really is a useful utility defensive player, makes it difficult for Hunt or even Caddis to push back in if we continue with Old mayo at FB.
7/10

Kovar will take some confidence from that but it could have all been thrown in the bin at the death. Sometimes you need a spot of luck and I'm happy he can claim a clean sheet today.
6/10

Baudry was also mirrored in the "player being the player we know" category. Level heads and basic motor skills returning again.
6.5/10

Pitman of course gets credit for the goal but put anyone there today and they should score. Again in similarity to Kovar - happy that a poorly playing player managed to do what they are employed to do.
7/10

Hope was not at his best today but I still think he is a useful squad player and will get us a handy number of goals during the season; possibly important ones too.
5/10

Jonny Smith, similarly not at his best but must be rather fatigued and carrying a knock so a bit harsh to dismiss on ability. We know what he can do and is very keen to do well. The added composure will come.
5/10

Payne, didn't play badly and was useful in a central three but was also rather anonymous.
5/10

Grounds needed that yellow. Enforced but needs taking out and subsequently will now. A poor game from him.
3/10

Matt Smith, I think he claims it again this week. Delivered a quality free kick when it mattered but he does a lot of basic stuff well. Great tackler and generally great awareness. I love this player and I am bias but he has bags of talent and ability. Keep serving up free kicks like that and we will score nearly every week. Matt Smith is my TEF MoM.
8.5/10

Subs:
Stevens - Not hugely effective as mentioned, the lad can run but it's like we have an upgraded version of Alan O'brien but at least Stevens doesn't have hamstrings made of brandy snaps. A player you hope upon compounded hope that he delivers for you but never does. Athlete he certainly is but not really the quality player that Wellens gave us the hard sell.
4.5/10

Joel Grant - Came in and did ok but not massively impactful. Very similar to the rather anonymous Payne.
5/10

Broadbean - Not enough time to make much fuss but with the Grounds omission next match, he must be relishing a chance to start on Tuesday. One good training session away from been selected but still a long way to go.
No Rating


Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, November 21, 2020, 17:31:19
Odimayo was defensively sound which i suppose is and was his main job today. but he offers zero going forward compared to the likes of caddis. every pass is backwards.

in a 1 nil win its perfect, if rovers had scored it would have proved a weakness. more observation than criticism as it may well have been his instructions for today


Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Saturday, November 21, 2020, 17:51:20
 Donahue for me, although Matt Smith, Beaudry and Odimayo also did well.


Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: REDBUCK on Saturday, November 21, 2020, 18:03:59
Odimayo was defensively sound which i suppose is and was his main job today. but he offers zero going forward compared to the likes of caddis. every pass is backwards.

in a 1 nil win its perfect, if rovers had scored it would have proved a weakness. more observation than criticism as it may well have been his instructions for today

So all that getting forward to suppport Smith, a
a couple of runs into the box and even a shot or two went unnoticed by you then???



Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, November 21, 2020, 18:10:26
Donahue today. Honorable mention to Grant.

Lets not forget that Pitman did his job - scored the only goal in a 1 nil win (from an M Smith cross)

Agree that Baudry didn't take any chances today and didn't make any mistakes.


Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, November 21, 2020, 18:18:37
Hopefully a bit of perspective will be restored on the TEF after that. Not pretty, but several players put in a proper shift, admittedly against limited opposition.

Outside of Pitman, has anyone claimed that our players have not been putting in proper shifts?


Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, November 21, 2020, 18:26:58
So all that getting forward to suppport Smith, a
a couple of runs into the box and even a shot or two went unnoticed by you then???


no it highlights it me even more??? he is very much a cb playing at rb is my point. runs forwards dossnt know what to do then back tracks. you can see smith waiting for overlaps throughout the game. Smith knows that a rb or a caddis would always be an option on the overlap and you could see that Smith always had to cut inside then keep going on his own. his shot from 30 yards when he panicked with options is the same.

as I said this isnt a criticism it is a cb playing at rb issue and he played well but it shows his limitations in that position.


Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: Red Frog on Saturday, November 21, 2020, 19:10:29
Outside of Pitman, has anyone claimed that our players have not been putting in proper shifts?

You might be looking for the wrong argument. The comment about shifts related to today's game. The comment about perspective related to the amount of wrist-slashing that went on here after Tuesday night. You can't extrapolate for the whole season from either performance in isolation.


Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: bamboonoshop on Saturday, November 21, 2020, 20:15:38
You might be looking for the wrong argument. The comment about shifts related to today's game. The comment about perspective related to the amount of wrist-slashing that went on here after Tuesday night. You can't extrapolate for the whole season from either performance in isolation.

Have you still not got over Tuesday and the fact people had a different opinion to you?
The "wrist-slashing" comment is rather extreme.

Come on RF, just enjoy the fucking win.


Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: singingiiiffy on Saturday, November 21, 2020, 23:03:01
Have you still not got over Tuesday and the fact people had a different opinion to you?
The "wrist-slashing" comment is rather extreme.

Come on RF, just enjoy the fucking win.

I dont think RF original post needed questioning.


Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: Boeta on Sunday, November 22, 2020, 07:46:27
Matt Smith (obviously) and Donohue the stand outs.

Nice to see Baudry put a composed performance in.

Surprised to see four votes for Odibayo - completely limited with the ball and that flick near the end in our own box almost cost us the game. He wasnít bad, and he isnít bad, but just not sure he was or is particularly good either.


Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: RedRag on Sunday, November 22, 2020, 09:26:42
Matt Smith (obviously) and Donohue the stand outs.

Nice to see Baudry put a composed performance in.

Surprised to see four votes for Odibayo - completely limited with the ball and that flick near the end in our own box almost cost us the game. He wasnít bad, and he isnít bad, but just not sure he was or is particularly good either.

Agree re Matt S., Donohue and Baudry.

I too was surprised to see 4 votes for Odimayo but this was his first game as a FB.  It might not be saying much but for a 20 year old to come from Hungerford this time last year and be the best central defender, even at Swindon, is definitely "good".  IMO.

Whilst his flick was nearly an assist for a late equaliser, it would not have been a mistake.  Letting the ball continue into the penalty box would have been and he did quite well to prevent that given his body position.  Offensively, I agree.  He wasn't great but for a first game in that position, we got we wanted from the young lad.


Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, November 23, 2020, 09:18:48
I went for Donohue - as did almost everyone else. Solid defensively and decent when bringing the ball out of defence.

It was interesting to read people's thoughts on Odimayo, I personally thought he had a very good game and I'm surprised to read some people say he only passed the ball backwards, I thought he strode forwards with purpose and always looked to move us forwards. Lets not forget J.Smith was knacked and so his movement was severely hindered and therefore couldn't really link up with him as much as he probably wanted to. Also unless my memory is playing terrible tricks on me, I can remember him second half overlapping well and actually putting crosses into the box?? I think he's going to be a very decent replacement for Caddis eventually.


Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, November 23, 2020, 09:26:35
Not MOM, but I thought Kovar was a lot better. Asides from a couple of fumbles, one of which may not have been his fault.

A good save toward the end, too.


Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, November 23, 2020, 09:27:59
Not MOM, but I thought Kovar was a lot better. Asides from a couple of fumbles, one of which may not have been his fault.

A good save toward the end, too.

Yeah I agree with this. I don't think he lacks any confidence for a young keeper anyway and hopefully he gets better and better.


Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, November 23, 2020, 09:55:14
Just to note that this weekend's MoM winner attracted the highest number of votes of any MoM to date which, while merited, slightly surprised me.


Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: RedRag on Monday, November 23, 2020, 13:23:34
I went for Donohue - as did almost everyone else. Solid defensively and decent when bringing the ball out of defence.

It was interesting to read people's thoughts on Odimayo, I personally thought he had a very good game and I'm surprised to read some people say he only passed the ball backwards, I thought he strode forwards with purpose and always looked to move us forwards. Lets not forget J.Smith was knacked and so his movement was severely hindered and therefore couldn't really link up with him as much as he probably wanted to. Also unless my memory is playing terrible tricks on me, I can remember him second half overlapping well and actually putting crosses into the box?? I think he's going to be a very decent replacement for Caddis eventually.
Good point.  Caddis is our most talented FB going forward imo.  He gives a defender pause for thought as to whether he will go outside and cross decently or cut inside and then look for an array of passing options.  Despite Caddis' defensive canniness,  Odimayo has shown himself to be decent defensively and is faster, stronger and taller/springier than Caddis.

If he can develop a good partnership with a wing or midfielder, then he could become very decent offensively. If you have good lungs and can cross half decently then you can be very dangerous.  Johnny Smith, and indeed Matt, could work well with Akin O offensively, imo.  Overall, I've found Rob Hunt performing below his previous standards, albeit on his unfavoured lhs.

Plenty of potential.


Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: RedRag on Monday, November 23, 2020, 13:48:10
Credit to Kovar for improving but I'd say his lack of confidence in coming for the ball (still evident and nearly costly on Saturday) for now a quarter of the season has been expensive. 

Whether better defensive or goalkeeping coaching is more to blame, I do not know.  By contrast, a less needy keeper of experience, as good or bad as any other L1 defender, might be expected to help organise a struggling defence. 

Tbf to Kovar, he is an excellent prospect whom I enjoy watching and seeing improving.  If he were our own, I'd be excited and would readily accept dropping a few points to see him develop.  Accumulating points is a higher priority than developing young players for other clubs however and Kovar was not quite ready imo. 

Would prefer to see an experienced keeper targeted for January.


Title: Re: Swindon T vs Bristol R MoM
Post by: Dexter Morgan on Monday, November 23, 2020, 14:06:13
Credit to Kovar for improving but I'd say his lack of confidence in coming for the ball (still evident and nearly costly on Saturday) for now a quarter of the season has been expensive. 

Whether better defensive or goalkeeping coaching is more to blame, I do not know.  By contrast, a less needy keeper of experience, as good or bad as any other L1 defender, might be expected to help organise a struggling defence. 

Tbf to Kovar, he is an excellent prospect whom I enjoy watching and seeing improving.  If he were our own, I'd be excited and would readily accept dropping a few points to see him develop.  Accumulating points is a higher priority than developing young players for other clubs however and Kovar was not quite ready imo. 

Would prefer to see an experienced keeper targeted for January.
I think Fryer is on about the same level as Kovar but nobody is backing him, Fryer made a couple of similar saves to the one Kovar made at the weekend in his last match vs Accrington but because of his earlier slip ups they were glossed over.

Fact is he still made 1 mistake that nearly cost us and blatantly made no attempt to get even close to the one that hit the post.

If that was Fryer that made the same mistakes he would have been called the worst keeper in the world....again by some of our fans.

Fact is we have 2 poor keepers and badly need a better one as soon as we can get one/afford one.