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Title: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 10, 2020, 23:34:58
Well, we need to bounce back from that performance last weekend. Oldham away is never an easy game. I don't care if we don't finish as Champions or even second. As long as we're in the top three. Could do with Cheltenham and Exeter slipping up.

Oldham 1-1 Swindon att: 4,111 (573 us)


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 00:23:23
Under Wellens we always seem capable of bouncing back or having bouncebackability as they like to call it. Considering we played shit v FVR yet were still unlucky not to score 4, potentially 5...I will go out on a limb and say we'll bounce back and those woodwork chances will convert, versus the North East Manchester Blues (PES for Oldham Athletic).

1 - 5 (Bernard; Bodin, Fjortoft x2, Moncur, Mutch)
Att: 10771

Joe Royle sent to the stands to away chants of "You're not, fuck-ing Roy-al-tee, you're not fuck-ing Roy-al-tee..." (to the tune of La Donna É Mobile), he smiles and waves.

I think...I may be a few years late  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: tans on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 06:30:58
Wellens will be up for this


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 07:27:08

I think...I may be a few years late:hmmm:
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Bernard doesn't play for Oldham any more...


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 07:29:09
Will take a point, but it'll be good to bounce back and take all 3.

Somebody is in for a hammering at some point.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 08:54:03
Oldham 0-0 Swindon in front of 3,665 with 561 Town fans there.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 09:05:46
A bumper 4500 gate swollen by 800 Town fans and the feelgood factor around them apparently swerving their financial issues, a feeling which is dampened when former gaffer Wellens pisses on their chips with a deserved 2-1 win.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: river monster on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 11:27:50
0-3 doughty, hope, doyle


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Gnasher on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 12:19:45
3-0 defeat. Forum meltdown.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 14:12:09
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Bernard doesn't play for Oldham any more...

I think...you might be right!


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, March 11, 2020, 19:30:21
There will be more goals than fans of Oldham's board on show. 1-0 to us


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 06:37:10
3-1 to theTown  -   Assuming it happens !!.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 06:46:39
Behind closed doors i suspect


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 09:38:18
Behind closed doors i suspect
This is becoming increasingly more possible by the day, hopefully this weekends fixtures will be unaffected and any postponements will happen from next week.

It seems to be only a matter of time.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 09:40:31
This is becoming increasingly more possible by the day, hopefully this weekends fixtures will be unaffected and any postponements will happen from next week.

It seems to be only a matter of time.

Yet there were thousands of visitors from Spain in Liverpool yesterday, the whole system is chaotic at the moment.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 09:43:26
2-1 Town, Pele, Anderson, att 0.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Valid Pint on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 13:07:11
I suspect the pitch will be like mouldy ol' dough


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 14:21:44
I suspect the pitch will be like mouldy ol' dough

Lieutenant Pigeon, same year as Chicory Tip.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O465enGz03w



Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 15:19:34
Could be our last game with a crowd. Noises from Ipswich Town reckon all EFL games will be behind closed doors with live iFollow streaming available to all after Saturday...

By my guesstimate, we stand to lose c£500,000 in Matchday income - 8000 attendance, maybe 50% ST holders = 4000 x c£20 tickets = £80,000 per game x 5 home games + peripheral bits and bobs.

It’ll finish off some clubs, I reckon.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 15:37:07
Could be our last game with a crowd. Noises from Ipswich Town reckon all EFL games will be behind closed doors with live iFollow streaming available to all after Saturday...

By my guesstimate, we stand to lose c£500,000 in Matchday income - 8000 attendance, maybe 50% ST holders = 4000 x c£20 tickets = £80,000 per game x 5 home games + peripheral bits and bobs.

It’ll finish off some clubs, I reckon.

We've only got 4 home games left, not 5, so although losing the income would be unwanted shouldn't be terminal.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 15:40:18
Could be our last game with a crowd.

What forever?


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 16:10:55
Could be our last game with a crowd. Noises from Ipswich Town reckon all EFL games will be behind closed doors with live iFollow streaming available to all after Saturday...

By my guesstimate, we stand to lose c£500,000 in Matchday income - 8000 attendance, maybe 50% ST holders = 4000 x c£20 tickets = £80,000 per game x 5 home games + peripheral bits and bobs.

It’ll finish off some clubs, I reckon.
I think the club usually calculate the average walk up ticket price as around 15 quid, allowing for discounts etc. And as Reg says there's only 4 home games left. So more like 4 x 4000 x 15 = 240k. It's still quarter of a million quid, that's a huge chunk of money for a L2 club


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 16:28:43
Some people are on about postponing the season until May/June (which may not be long enough anyway) but the problem with that is that a load of players will be out of contract by then and loans terminated.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 16:42:41
Some people are on about postponing the season until May/June (which may not be long enough anyway) but the problem with that is that a load of players will be out of contract by then and loans terminated.
Loans might be, but the league could just allow them to be extended, perm contracts usually run until June 30th.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 17:25:20
I think the club usually calculate the average walk up ticket price as around 15 quid, allowing for discounts etc. And as Reg says there's only 4 home games left. So more like 4 x 4000 x 15 = 240k. It's still quarter of a million quid, that's a huge chunk of money for a L2 club

Though as we said the other day, deduct matchday costs from that and add iFollow subs at a tenner a go and the gap narrows quite a bit. Might even tempt in a lot of people who wouldn't otherwise bother turning up. As long as the bosses don't discover this is a better model for the future of football...


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 17:25:37
I think it's fair on everyone if we just finish the season now.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 18:00:38
I think it's fair on everyone if we just finish the season now.
Not until we have won our game in hand thank you. After then, not a problem.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 18:15:41
Nah, target is promotion, job done, wash our hands of this division, thoroughly, for as long as it takes to sing E I E I E I O three times over.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, March 12, 2020, 20:05:09
Imagine Cruising is beginning to sound a bit ironic.

Could be looking for a new sponsor next year. Could also affect the Trust’s ground purchase plans.

 :(


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, March 13, 2020, 09:06:58
Looking increasingly likely that football will go into lockdown.

Wasn't that long ago some of the usual suspects disagreed with my contention that matters STFC are rarely straightforward


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 13, 2020, 09:08:39
Looking increasingly likely that football will go into lockdown.

Wasn't that long ago some of the usual suspects disagreed with my contention that matters STFC are rarely straightforward
Yes because you always knew coronavirus was coming didn't you oh great sage? Fucking hell, smug much?


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, March 13, 2020, 09:16:26
Yes because you always knew coronavirus was coming didn't you oh great sage? Fucking hell, smug much?

As usual point missed.  It just emphasises that as a Town fan you just never know....


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nemo on Friday, March 13, 2020, 09:22:56
Needless to say, I had the last laugh.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: scillyred on Friday, March 13, 2020, 09:54:45
As a lurker I don't often post on here but................... :crash: :crash: :crash: :crash:

To Reg's posts...........................


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 13, 2020, 10:22:01
"BREAKING: Premier League and EFL look set to announce both will be suspended until at least Apr 4th, when situation will be reviewed. Hearing EFL board agreed on this unanimously. Premier League meeting happening in 10 mins when clubs will be urged to follow suit"

BBC Sport


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 13, 2020, 10:44:27
As usual point missed.  It just emphasises that as a Town fan you just never know....
Not exactly Town-centric. Affects each and every club. Personally, can’t see it being any better come 4th April - apart from Baudry being fit!


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 13, 2020, 10:45:35
Postpone it for long enough and we might even get Conroy back.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, March 13, 2020, 10:50:55
Not exactly Town-centric. Affects each and every club. Personally, can’t see it being any better come 4th April - apart from Baudry being fit!

I know, but why couldn't it have coincided with a very average season like last year, when we were about 13th and going nowhere?

Reading what Wellens said about Baudry... he gets back fit, then has to prove it in training and picks up a fresh tweak and repeat


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 13, 2020, 10:51:22
Postpone it for long enough and we might even get Conroy back.
Knowing our luck, the games will commence when Doyle and Grant are OOC, REG, DJ, Benda, Admiral’s loans are terminated!


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 13, 2020, 10:52:59
Knowing our luck, the games will commence when Doyle and Grant are OOC, REG, DJ, Benda, Admiral’s loans are terminated!

You'd think they'd make allowances for that.

But then those at the top are not known for always using common sense.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 13, 2020, 10:53:10
I know, but why couldn't it have coincided with a very average season like last year, when we were about 13th and going nowhere?

Reading what Wellens said about Baudry... he gets back fit, then has to prove it in training and picks up a fresh tweak and repeat
Do you think the EFL would countenance scrapping this entire season? They’d get their arses sued.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 13, 2020, 10:55:24
I’ve already bought 3 tickets for Walsall away, cancelled flights, car hire and accommodation.

Still, mustn’t grumble!

Presume they’ll refund the tickets.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z9S9_TpFSwo


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Cookie on Friday, March 13, 2020, 10:56:10
Any predictions on how this pans out, after all we've plenty of time to speculate.

I reckon we're looking at a prolonged break, finish the season in June/July and then straight into next season. Otherwise a tough decision will be needed by the powers over whether to abandon with results standing as is, or null/void and start again. The last option stitches Town up the most so will be the one, someone reassure me.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 13, 2020, 10:59:07
Confirmed - all games suspended until 3rd April


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: woolster on Friday, March 13, 2020, 11:00:09
most of the footie cancelled over the weekend, but just heard on the radio that the six nations Wales V Scotland match is deffo on, are rugby fans and players immune :crash:


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 13, 2020, 11:02:54
Any predictions on how this pans out, after all we've plenty of time to speculate.

I reckon we're looking at a prolonged break, finish the season in June/July and then straight into next season. Otherwise a tough decision will be needed by the powers over whether to abandon with results standing as is, or null/void and start again. The last option stitches Town up the most so will be the one, someone reassure me.
Everyone is prevaricating at the moment. How they’ve arrived at 4 April as some arbitrary date when things could be back to ‘normal’ I have no idea.

Obviously, we’d like the season to end as is but that’s grossly unfair on those clubs that miss out by a gnat’s nob.

Again, it’s grossly unfair on those clubs who look most likely to get promoted/relegated to have the season binned off.

I reckon, come April 4 all EFL players should have been tested and if clear play the remaining fixtures behind closed doors.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 13, 2020, 11:14:33
Everyone is prevaricating at the moment. How they’ve arrived at 4 April as some arbitrary date when things could be back to ‘normal’ I have no idea.

Obviously, we’d like the season to end as is but that’s grossly unfair on those clubs that miss out by a gnat’s nob.

Again, it’s grossly unfair on those clubs who look most likely to get promoted/relegated to have the season binned off.

I reckon, come April 4 all EFL players should have been tested and if clear play the remaining fixtures behind closed doors.
The tests don't work until people start to display symptoms, so it's an ongoing thing. You can't just test a load of people and say "Yep, you're all good". This two weeks is just to buy themselves some time I reckon, at least until they see what UEFA do about the Euros (because that gives all the leagues time to extend). But given it's supposed to be heading toward a peak, rather than declining, there's likely to be more people, including players, infected come April 4th than there are now.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 13, 2020, 11:25:18
yeah, can't see April 4th being better than now that's for sure.

and anyway the government may step in towards the peak to free up the emergency services that attend sport...


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: hanneyred on Friday, March 13, 2020, 11:31:16
Surely the season has to be scrapped or finished, but that has to be before June due to player contracts???


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Friday, March 13, 2020, 11:32:53
The Oldham manager has suggested just playing the remaining season over the next two weeks which frankly makes more sense than delaying. Surely by April things will be even worse?

Sent from my Mi A1


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 13, 2020, 11:35:40
Surely the season has to be scrapped or finished, but that has to be before June due to player contracts???
End of June. Player contracts run until June 30th. But given it's supposed to be peaking around June, suspect the point will be moot.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, March 13, 2020, 11:42:57
I think the only sensible thing here is to extrapolate a PPG average and end the season. It's ridiculously unfair, but a better option than canceling the whole season and starting again.

BCD doesn't work when players can't train and have the virus, and there's not really a window for the resumption of the season unless it's all over by April 3, which it won't be.

This would also give us the title, but that's irrelevant in my thinking.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 13, 2020, 11:56:24
I don't think there is an option that is going to be fair to everybody.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: THE FLASH on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:00:44
Wow!

We will all remember this season......good and bad..



Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nemo on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:02:01
I don't think there is an option that is going to be fair to everybody.

Remaining games played on FIFA online by managers?

I reckon Richie might be alright at it.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:06:37
I don't think there is an option that is going to be fair to everybody.

Some teams have played 36 games some 37.

Void all the games  that took teams to 37 so all have played 36 and finish the season then?


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:07:26
I think the only sensible thing here is to extrapolate a PPG average and end the season. It's ridiculously unfair, but a better option than canceling the whole season and starting again.

BCD doesn't work when players can't train and have the virus, and there's not really a window for the resumption of the season unless it's all over by April 3, which it won't be.

This would also give us the title, but that's irrelevant in my thinking.
Completely agree, although the title may be slightly more relevant in mine :)


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:10:34
Completely agree, although the title may be slightly more relevant in mine :)

The thing is this would be shit even for us. A ghost title, when we're on course to win it anyway.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:12:03
Some teams have played 36 games some 37.

Void all the games  that took teams to 37 so all have played 36 and finish the season then?
That'll do for me.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:15:00
The thing is this would be shit even for us. A ghost title, when we're on course to win it anyway.
Oh I agree. We've had a glorious season and the fans and the team deserve to see that run to its logical conclusion and bask in the glory of a thoroughly deserved title. But that's very unlikely to happen now so let's at least avoid the "just cancel the season" option and start again next season in L1. Playing in what will by then be a zombie-infested wasteland :)


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:16:41
Well I'll look forward to receiving a credit or reimbursement on my iFollow subscription of the remaining matches.  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: THE FLASH on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:19:48
I wonder if the FA will help struggling clubs in L1 and L2?

Doubt it.

Only good at extracting money....


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:20:02
The joy of independent travel to football.
Advance train tickets. Non refundable.  >:(

Will try and get away with changing the journey until a reason to visit Manchester crops up again.

Drinking at elite level will be continuing as normal.

March is a busy time for gigs, but I guess it's a matter of time before indoor gatherings are stopped as well.

The season could be extended if Euro 2020 is postponed, but can't see it happening if the spread hasn't even peaked yet.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:20:14
to cancel the season and void it would be dispicable..


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:21:31
I don't think there is an option that is going to be fair to everybody.
Could it even be back to the old fashioned pools panel ??!!!.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Abrahammer on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:22:32
If the peak isn’t due for another 10-14 weeks then I can’t see this ending in anything other than all leagues/cups being declared as null and void in May/June time, come back and start again in August.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday
Post by: Abrahammer on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:23:12
to cancel the season and void it would be dispicable..

Other sports already have, i think it will become inevitable


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:24:12
Is there any scenario whereby the piss stains end up in non league (again)?

I think 36/37 games is way too much of a chunk of a season just to dismiss it.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Gnasher on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:24:48
Unbelievable. All because of one country and their disgusting eating habits  :cry:


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:29:21
I suspect the easy solution (And thus the one the league will take) will be to void the whole season, no promotion or relegation and just start again in August.

No idea of the contracts the clubs have with the league, but imagine its their toy and they can do what they like with it!

Its going to be the death of some clubs I fear.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:35:03
I suspect the easy solution (And thus the one the league will take) will be to void the whole season, no promotion or relegation and just start again in August.

No idea of the contracts the clubs have with the league, but imagine its their toy and they can do what they like with it!

Its going to be the death of some clubs I fear.

Way more open to legal challenge than ending the season with current standings. I wonder whether this is covered in the terms of entry to the league?


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:44:25
Way more open to legal challenge than ending the season with current standings.
That's going to be the key. There will be some serious lawsuits flying about if teams get relegated/miss out on promotion because of whatever decision is taken so the leagues will want to know they're watertight.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Power to people on Friday, March 13, 2020, 12:54:05
Its a worry as you cannot see the season resuming any time soon, then if / when they do they cant say right lets go as with players not playing for however many weeks and presumably not training everyday they at least have to give clubs notice to make step up training rather than saying right, lets go next weekend.

As for scrapping the I'm not so sure I can see that happening, but whatever they do opens up to law suits unless they complete it, and then do they potentially delay the start of next season to allow for proper close seasons.....this has the potential to go nuclear as surely whatever the FL does has to be in line to PL also.

I see its being reported that the FL are to approach the government about emergency funding, what a load of crap the FL have enough in their pot and if not go cap in hand to the PL.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 13, 2020, 13:06:19
Is there precedence for this?


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nemo on Friday, March 13, 2020, 13:08:30
Is there precedence for this?

War in 1939 I suppose, but I think that was about five games into the season so I can't imagine anyone minded cancelling the lot quite as much - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939%E2%80%9340_Football_League


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 13, 2020, 13:10:43
Quote from: Abrahammer
Quote
to cancel the season and void it would be dispicable..
Other sports already have, i think it will become inevitable

to remain in League 2 after we've invested heavily....nah.... legal challenges ahoy


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: tans on Friday, March 13, 2020, 13:21:38
Be nice for us to be the ones filing a lawsuit for a change mind


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Ardiles on Friday, March 13, 2020, 13:27:07
There is no way out of this for the Football League.  They're damned, whatever they do.  But voiding the entire (or ¾ of) the season would, in my view, be more damaging in the long term than deciding that the tables as they stand should determine promotion & relegation.  It would mean that, in future, fans would never be sure that the games they were paying to attend would count for anything.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 13, 2020, 13:35:37
it could also mean the pox in the championship!


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Friday, March 13, 2020, 13:37:51
Be nice for us to be the ones filing a lawsuit for a change mind

I would probably void the season and decide to relegate us to the conference


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: DiV on Friday, March 13, 2020, 13:41:17
Bad for us as we are top of our league


Bloody hilarious if this stops Liverpool finally winning another title.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: DiV on Friday, March 13, 2020, 13:42:40
Think of the Manchester United started this whole thing conspiracy theories


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 13, 2020, 14:23:16
Bad for us as we are top of our league


We aren't.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 13, 2020, 14:24:30
Way more open to legal challenge than ending the season with current standings. I wonder whether this is covered in the terms of entry to the league?

Is it, its all going to depend upon what the terms of entry say.

Would have made it so much easier for the League if this was government imposed, I suspect they will be hoping that happens come April 3rd.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: NotHarryAgombar on Friday, March 13, 2020, 14:38:14
The only reason the suspension is until 4 April is that there is an “International break” for the PL and Championship the week after next, so they have just brought it forward a bit. As others have said, a further decision will be needed at that point.
Awarding honours to teams based on current positions is fine in some cases (Liverpool were almost certain not to be caught in the PL) but in tighter situations it is fraught with problems - qualification for Champions League next year rather than Europa League has a huge financial impact, and the effect is similar for teams promoted or relegated as opposed to staying where they are. In close leagues a club could argue they have been unfairly treated. This means unless the rules already say what would happen in this instance whatever decision (either awarding based on the season to date - adjusted to points per game - or simply starting  again for 20/21 in whatever league you began 19/20) will provide litigation opportunities.
No point in worrying at this point.
I have to say that for  Nostradamus Smeeton to suggest he had this in mind when posting that promotion wasn’t a done deal is preposterous. I agree he was right that  it wasn’t a done deal as the league is close and we still have 10 games left, but today’s claim to prophetic insight is just ridiculous.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 13, 2020, 14:43:12
I see its being reported that the FL are to approach the government about emergency funding, what a load of crap the FL have enough in their pot and if not go cap in hand to the PL.
I'm no fan of the Football League but this is nonsense. How much money do you think the Football League has as reserves as an organisation? I'd be astonished if it was enough to cover the losses of clubs in L2, much less L1 and Championship. The Premier League is a rich organisation which could and should help out with solidarity payments, possibly jointly with its members, but I don't think the Football League is in a position to do this.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Friday, March 13, 2020, 14:50:50
The start of 2020/21 season could be delayed to September or October to allow this season to conclude.

The Peterborough chairman has already proposed ditching the League Cup and EFL Trophy would free up the calendar to catch up. You could see the PL clubs using that as an excuse to ditch the League Cup permanently


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 13, 2020, 14:50:51
I'm no fan of the Football League but this is nonsense. How much money do you think the Football League has as reserves as an organisation? I'd be astonished if it was enough to cover the losses of clubs in L2, much less L1 and Championship. The Premier League is a rich organisation which could and should help out with solidarity payments, possibly jointly with its members, but I don't think the Football League is in a position to do this.
Agreed.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 13, 2020, 14:54:59
I love how, as is standard, so many people can only see one particular outcome occurring despite there being other options available.

You'd have to be rather tunnel-visioned to only see one outcome as a possibility. It could be any one of those suggested so far - and possibly one that has not yet been suggested.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 13, 2020, 14:56:09
Our wind tunnel advantage should be massively diminished if they play the rest of the season in April/May/June.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, March 13, 2020, 15:59:15
Sod society. How am I to retain my sanity with the prospect of no footy for months on end, only endless circular arguments on the TEF?

:suicide:


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Ardiles on Friday, March 13, 2020, 16:02:07
Our wind tunnel advantage should be massively diminished if they play the rest of the season in April/May/June.

If there's regular football (and maybe rugby) throughout the summer, they'd be as well cancelling the county cricket season this year.  Cricket is poorly attended as it is...but this would kill it.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 13, 2020, 16:18:18
If there's regular football (and maybe rugby) throughout the summer, they'd be as well cancelling the county cricket season this year.  Cricket is poorly attended as it is...but this would kill it.

With all due respect to those that enjoy cricket, good! Time to put cricket in the bin, baseball can go with it as well. :)


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Power to people on Friday, March 13, 2020, 16:24:44
I'm no fan of the Football League but this is nonsense. How much money do you think the Football League has as reserves as an organisation? I'd be astonished if it was enough to cover the losses of clubs in L2, much less L1 and Championship. The Premier League is a rich organisation which could and should help out with solidarity payments, possibly jointly with its members, but I don't think the Football League is in a position to do this.

Is the PL a rich organisation or is it premier league clubs (most) that are rich ?

The FL must have some reserves, granted maybe not as mush as PL, but it is probably not all clubs that would need assistance (maybe depends how long it goes on for though).


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 13, 2020, 16:38:03
Is the PL a rich organisation or is it premier league clubs (most) that are rich ?
Both. The clubs are richer but the PL has a fair bit in its own right. Hence the suggestion that they could share the burden:
The FL must have some reserves, granted maybe not as mush as PL, but it is probably not all clubs that would need assistance (maybe depends how long it goes on for though).
Probably, maybe, possibly. How much do the FL have in reserve then? How many clubs will need bailing out and at what cost? Unless you have any idea on either of these figures you're waffling


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Friday, March 13, 2020, 17:04:26
Surely the answer is for the Pools Panel to sit to decide the remaining games this season.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: suttonred on Friday, March 13, 2020, 17:25:56
Sod society. How am I to retain my sanity with the prospect of no footy for months on end, only endless circular arguments on the TEF?

:suicide:

Reg will be rubbing his gloved, sanitised hands together :)  Hang on. Has he been to China?


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, March 13, 2020, 17:34:35
A problem with extending the season is that players contracts will have potentially ran out depending on the duration of the extension. All very messy.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: REDBUCK on Friday, March 13, 2020, 17:35:44
Will Sky/BT be demanding back some of their billions that has already been distributed for TV games no longer being played.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, March 13, 2020, 17:40:16
A problem with extending the season is that players contracts will have potentially ran out depending on the duration of the extension. All very messy.


I would imagine they will be on a rolling monthly contract until the season finishes


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, March 13, 2020, 17:42:51
I would imagine they will be on a rolling monthly contract until the season finishes
But what about the players clubs don’t want to keep, you can’t force clubs to renew contracts of people they don’t want and would leave players unable to find another club as season is still ongoing. It would be very messy.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 13, 2020, 17:43:49
It's going to be very messy whatever happens.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: suttonred on Friday, March 13, 2020, 17:50:01
To be fair football is going to be way down the list of worries/priorities the next few weeks


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Friday, March 13, 2020, 18:02:59
But what about the players clubs don’t want to keep, you can’t force clubs to renew contracts of people they don’t want and would leave players unable to find another club as season is still ongoing. It would be very messy.

I agree very messy but normally players that aren't wanted by the manager are told around March so it wouldn't affect them


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, March 13, 2020, 18:04:01
Both. The clubs are richer but the PL has a fair bit in its own right. Hence the suggestion that they could share the burden:Probably, maybe, possibly. How much do the FL have in reserve then? How many clubs will need bailing out and at what cost? Unless you have any idea on either of these figures you're waffling

fifa and uefa are fucking rolling in it. $6 million revenue for the 2018 world cup. They should protect the sport.

as long as its a confirmed delay and not a season write off I reckon the majority could probably get away without assistance. if you projected income of £100k from remaining home cames as an example, a 0% £100k loan until the games are back on would work depending how far the season is extended.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: 4D on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 08:58:56
Chippenham at home to Wealdstone today. Do you want some?


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 09:23:39
Chippenham at home to Wealdstone today. Do you want some?


Ah him!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAhEFuq62-I


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 13:30:47
Chippenham at home to Wealdstone today. Do you want some?

I’m off to watch Bashley v Brockenhurst.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 14:37:47
It must be 20 years at least since I watched this from start to finish.  Today's football fix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn1akXu2aZs


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Badger on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 14:55:15
Is this whole thing China Red's fault ?


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 14:58:50
It must be 20 years at least since I watched this from start to finish.  Today's football fix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn1akXu2aZs
Greavsie looks 20 years younger in that video.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Red Frog on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 17:22:03
It must be 20 years at least since I watched this from start to finish.  Today's football fix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn1akXu2aZs

Well thanks for that Ardiles. Never watched the match video before. Brought back the whole rollercoaster experience.

Then I think you were among the London Reds for a very long night at the pub!


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 17:39:08
I wasn't, actually.  I was still at university in 1993, and didn't move up to London (and meet the other London Reds) until late 1999.  I could have a good guess at who was there that night though!


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: donkey on Saturday, March 14, 2020, 18:09:52
I wasn't, actually.  I was still at university in 1993, and didn't move up to London (and meet the other London Reds) until late 1999.  I could have a good guess at who was there that night though!

 :bye: :pint:


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 12:38:42
It must be 20 years at least since I watched this from start to finish.  Today's football fix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn1akXu2aZs

About 10 mins in.  Hairs up on the back of my neck watching this.  High tempo, high energy start.  Hoddle's everywhere!


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 13:03:58
Simpler offsides in those days. Quite odd watching it now.

Agnew looks about 50


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 13:10:39
Maskell's workrate was great that day.  I don't always remember him playing that way.

Fraser has made some great saves in the last 5 mins.

Still 0-0.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 13:13:08
Hoddle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 13:16:00
Agnew looks about 50

He's only 54 now!


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 13:20:32
Maskell's workrate was great that day.  I don't always remember him playing that way.

Fraser has made some great saves in the last 5 mins.

Still 0-0.
Maskells work rate was always the best part of his game IMO, he scored a few good goals and had one excellent scoring season but looked a little out of his depth when he was played in the Prem season.

If he had a bit more strong physique he could have done very well but he was a little too lightweight.

Will always be fondly remembered for his goals in the promotion season though. Not least for the play off final goal.

That day was an unbelievable experience, 3-0 up and we thought it was all over, then back to 3-3 and the goading of the Leicester fans sat not far from me will always stay with me. We had the last laugh with that one though!

The 89-90 play off game was far more one sided yet seems much more of a distant memory for me after the resulting demotion etc.

It made that final so much sweeter.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 13:29:44
The Maskell goalpost 'crack'.  Sweetest sound known to man.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 13:35:48
I sent the misses out earlier to stock up. Good job I did apparently as everybody else in Bangkok seems to have had the same idea.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 13:42:17
Julian Joachim is still playing at 45 yrs old.  Fair play.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 13:47:00
Leicester running it now.  Can remember how worried I was at 3-1.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 14:02:34
White on for Maskell.  This could be a pivotal substitution.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 14:11:40
Ling screamer nearly makes it 5-3 at the death.  I'd forgotten that one.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 16:27:09
Julian Joachim is still playing at 45 yrs old.  Fair play.
I played a vets team the other year in Cheltenham, it had him, Lee Hendrie and Lee Carsley playing for them.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: sir windon on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 17:07:25
Wonder when , if ever, the last time the highest attendance in the country was at.....Notts County?!


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 17:07:49
I played a vets team the other year in Cheltenham, it had him, Lee Hendrie and Lee Carsley playing for them.

I think he must have been the only player on the pitch that day who was younger than me.  Nicky Summerbee was a year or so older.


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Jimmy HaveHave on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 17:23:14
I think he must have been the only player on the pitch that day who was younger than me.  Nicky Summerbee was a year or so older.


They could all drink and I can remember Nicky sumerbee necking the beers regularly at Route 66


Title: Re: Oldham v Swindon pre match chat and matchday thread
Post by: Gnasher on Sunday, March 15, 2020, 18:07:02

They could all drink and I can remember Nicky sumerbee necking the beers regularly at Route 66

I remember taking a call from Glenn Hoddle at work, because Summebee had been keeping my boss (Summerbee's neighbour) awake all night with loud music and drunken behaviour. Hoddle was very apologetic. True story bro.