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Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: RobertT on Monday, January 13, 2020, 22:04:19
I know this has somewhat been done to death before, but I wonder if teams with 2 x 20 goal players and 1 x 10+ have ever NOT been promoted before?  You'd think getting 50+ goals from 3 players would likely mean a lot of wins in a season.

Asking because Yates is on target to hit 20, Doyle already did and someone like a Grigg could easily hit 10 by seasons end.  Would be a fantastic signing I think, especially with the team set-up as it is.  I made reference to Clive Allen and Spurs in the mid 80's - a team designed to feed him.  Interestingly, Shaun Close was one of his back-ups.  Given what we saw of him, I wonder if even he could score in a team like that?


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 08:05:47
I know this has somewhat been done to death before, but I wonder if teams with 2 x 20 goal players and 1 x 10+ have ever NOT been promoted before?  You'd think getting 50+ goals from 3 players would likely mean a lot of wins in a season.

Asking because Yates is on target to hit 20, Doyle already did and someone like a Grigg could easily hit 10 by seasons end.  Would be a fantastic signing I think, especially with the team set-up as it is.  I made reference to Clive Allen and Spurs in the mid 80's - a team designed to feed him.  Interestingly, Shaun Close was one of his back-ups.  Given what we saw of him, I wonder if even he could score in a team like that?

Keshi has 6, it would be disappointing if he didnt hit 10 this season if fit.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 08:53:28
Keshi has 6, it would be disappointing if he didnt hit 10 this season if fit.

Agree, we’re seeing the KA that has laid dormant for to long. Could we be seeing the cygnet turn into a swan if you will under the master Wellens?


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 09:48:19
Keshi has 6, it would be disappointing if he didnt hit 10 this season if fit.
That part appears to be the problem.

A fit and on form Anderson is a massive asset.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 09:58:39
I know this has somewhat been done to death before, but I wonder if teams with 2 x 20 goal players and 1 x 10+ have ever NOT been promoted before?  You'd think getting 50+ goals from 3 players would likely mean a lot of wins in a season.

Asking because Yates is on target to hit 20, Doyle already did and someone like a Grigg could easily hit 10 by seasons end.  Would be a fantastic signing I think, especially with the team set-up as it is.  I made reference to Clive Allen and Spurs in the mid 80's - a team designed to feed him.  Interestingly, Shaun Close was one of his back-ups.  Given what we saw of him, I wonder if even he could score in a team like that?

2 20+ players in a  regulation league season are extremely rare.... no examples at STFC in my time.  When I crunched the numbers for other sides in 21st Century, it was something like 3% of promoted clubs in the FL had 2.

However it's entirely possible there are examples.... we've had 2 examples of 20 goal men alongside 19 goal men and not gone up. Also, Parkin Mooney and Fallon got 45 between them without elevation.  In the 60's The Don, Bullets Brown and Willie Penman got 52 between them and we were nowhere near.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 10:23:51
It’s in the Adver and the club site as officially a done deal.

Sound just like our Reg... https://twitter.com/Official_STFC/status/1217031101203353600


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 11:54:37
I see that Liam McAlinden who we have been linked with has left Halifax and is available on a free.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 11:59:17
I see that Liam McAlinden who we have been linked with has left Halifax and is available on a free.
Not good enough for L2.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 12:01:09
I know this has somewhat been done to death before, but I wonder if teams with 2 x 20 goal players and 1 x 10+ have ever NOT been promoted before?  You'd think getting 50+ goals from 3 players would likely mean a lot of wins in a season.

Asking because Yates is on target to hit 20, Doyle already did and someone like a Grigg could easily hit 10 by seasons end.  Would be a fantastic signing I think, especially with the team set-up as it is.  I made reference to Clive Allen and Spurs in the mid 80's - a team designed to feed him.  Interestingly, Shaun Close was one of his back-ups.  Given what we saw of him, I wonder if even he could score in a team like that?

Paynter 26
Austin 20
Ward 9

If only Ward had scored one more


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 12:01:40
If we get one of the ‘names’ being bandied about, we’ll also need another back up striker. I suppose that Janneh fella from City was the choice.

McAlinden wouldn’t be a bad alternative.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 12:05:18
If we get one of the ‘names’ being bandied about, we’ll also need another back up striker. I suppose that Janneh fella from City was the choice.

McAlinden wouldn’t be a bad alternative.
At 26 he will be wanting first team guaranteed football, 12 league goals for a 26 year old is not great though and never scored more than 3 in a season at league level.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 12:31:30
Paynter 26
Austin 20
Ward 9

If only Ward had scored one more

Austin only scored 19 in regulation season.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 12:35:55
Not good enough for L2.

Or L1, which is now how we should be thinking with permanent additions.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 12:43:50
Or L1, which is now how we should be thinking with permanent additions.
Absolutely, he is also a wide striker more like a slower version of Woolery, we don't really need another wide striker, an out and out backup winger or a number 10...yes, but not a wide striker.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 12:52:04
Austin only scored 19 in regulation season.

We played in the play offs
I counted the play offs
What are you going to do about it, eh?


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Exiled Bob on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 12:54:20
Absolutely, he is also a wide striker more like a slower version of Woolery, we don't really need another wide striker, an out and out backup winger or a number 10...yes, but not a wide striker.
How wide does a wide striker have to go before he becomes a winger?


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 12:57:08
We played in the play offs
I counted the play offs
What are you going to do about it, eh?

If there’s a nit to pick, he’ll pick it.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 13:03:09
How wide does a wide striker have to go before he becomes a winger?
I would suggest somebody who has trained all his career as being a winger and not a striker, a wide striker is a striker who has been trained to play wide in the channels.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 13:09:38
How wide does a wide striker have to go before he becomes a winger?

Less the width more how high up the pitch
Wingers are expected to perform attacking and defensive duties
Wide forwards only need to perform attacking duties




Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 13:18:41
According to Nixon Sunderland won’t allow Grigg to go to a L1 club and, didn’t realise this, Grigg’s home is only an hour from Swindon.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 13:29:43
We played in the play offs
I counted the play offs
What are you going to do about it, eh?

Regard your stat input witn suspicion.

PO's are a stand alone end of season comp.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 13:29:54
According to Nixon Sunderland won’t allow Grigg to go to a L1 club and, didn’t realise this, Grigg’s home is only an hour from Swindon.

I read that as well. Thank goodness Sunderland are in L1, we could realistically be in with a chance here and that would be a huge statement of intent wouldn't it?


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 13:30:37
According to Nixon Sunderland won’t allow Grigg to go to a L1 club and, didn’t realise this, Grigg’s home is only an hour from Swindon.
How far towards the north west from Swindon can you get in an hour? according to the Blackpool forum he still lives in the north west.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Exiled Bob on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 13:31:36
Less the width more how high up the pitch
Wingers are expected to perform attacking and defensive duties
Wide forwards only need to perform attacking duties

What's a wing back then?  ;)

Just my opinion, but I'd say Isgrove is a winger and I wouldn't say he contributes much defensively (unless, like Saturday, he is employed as a wing back). Woolery, on the other hand, does contribute defensively.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Gnasher on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 13:33:28
According to Nixon Sunderland won’t allow Grigg to go to a L1 club and, didn’t realise this, Grigg’s home is only an hour from Swindon.

He's rumoured to be on 20k per week, so I'd imagine our contribution to his wages would be minimal!




Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 13:33:31
Regard your stat input witn suspicion.

PO's are a stand alone end of season comp.

We played in the play offs in 2010.
I saw Charlie Austin & Danny Ward score.
I know because I was there.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 13:36:34
Having had a read about it, Will Grigg comes from and his family home is still in Solihull.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 13:36:44
He's rumoured to be on 20k per week, so I'd imagine our contribution to his wages would be minimal!




That's obscene figures isn't it? We would only be able to pay about 10% of those wages I imagine!


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 13:38:21
That's obscene figures isn't it? We would only be able to pay about 10% of those wages I imagine!
On the Sunderland forum its said to be £10k, still way more than we could afford.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Gnasher on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 13:39:03
That's obscene figures isn't it? We would only be able to pay about 10% of those wages I imagine!

Having paid 3 million for him you could well believe it. Yes obscene for L1 if true.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 13:39:11
I don’t think wages contribution is that much of a concern. Honestly, they want him off the premises - pronto.

I’d imagine we were paying Doyle £3.5k per week. They’ll be happy with that!

But, you’re right. £1m annual salary in L1 is mind blowing.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Gnasher on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 13:40:43
On the Sunderland forum its said to be £10k, still way more than we could afford.

That's my sauce. Depends which rumour you believe  :D but 10k would probably be closer to the mark.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 13:41:00
We played in the play offs in 2010.
I saw Charlie Austin & Danny Ward score.
I know because I was there.

Was that the last time?

Charlie and Danny have their goals logged in any stats about PO's.   

There is a golden boot for the Championship's top scorer, over the 46 game season.  Goals in PO's don't count.... it's the official position.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 13:43:20
Having paid 3 million for him you could well believe it. Yes obscene for L1 if true.
£4m ;)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47086441


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 13:45:02
Regard your stat input witn suspicion.

PO's are a stand alone end of season comp.

However the PO's are a place the you can gain or fail to gain promotion, which was Rob's original query.



Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 13:46:07
Was that the last time?

Charlie and Danny have their goals logged in any stats about PO's.  

There is a golden boot for the Championship's top scorer, over the 46 game season.  Goals in PO's don't count.... it's the official position.

Not interested in the golden boot, not relevant.

I’ve counted the play offs goals because the play offs contribute to your chance of promotion - which was what that question was specifically based on. Promotion, automatic or otherwise


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 13:59:48
Not interested in the golden boot, not relevant.

I’ve counted the play offs goals because the play offs contribute to your chance of promotion - which was what that question was specifically based on. Promotion, automatic or otherwise


But you end up in the PO's because you've failed to get auto. You may just as well count pens in shoot outs if that's your criteria. Huddersfield for example went up through the PO's winning 2 shoot outs, never woin a game.
The golden boot is relevant because it's about the integrity of competition. You measure things like leading scorers over a 46 game stretch....same for all.  You can't just give someone else say 3 games and count it above the rest who maybe don't get that.

For the purposes of Rob's question it does show that you can have as near as damn it 2 20 goals strikers and near 10 backing up and still not go up.   


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Gnasher on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 14:01:40
£4m ;)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47086441

Blimey


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Gnasher on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 14:03:00
Might be worth moving this to a new thread

But you end up in the PO's because you've failed to get auto. You may just as well count pens in shoot outs if that's your criteria. Huddersfield for example went up through the PO's winning 2 shoot outs, never woin a game.
The golden boot is relevant because it's about the integrity of competition. You measure things like leading scorers over a 46 game stretch....same for all.  You can't just give someone else say 3 games and count it above the rest who maybe don't get that.

For the purposes of Rob's question it does show that you can have as near as damn it 2 20 goals strikers and near 10 backing up and still not go up.   


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 14:04:19
However the PO's are a place the you can gain or fail to gain promotion, which was Rob's original query.



It's the goals in regular season that get you there... and then it's a stand alone comp. They even give you a little pot for winning said stand alone comp.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 14:08:37
Might be worth moving this to a new thread

+1


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 14:11:58
Might be worth moving this to a new thread


+1


Fucking hell, its getting to every thread now!


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 14:13:16
Bowyer

“We’re constantly looking and in contact with people for ins and not necessarily outs, but you have to be reactive if somebody suddenly offered money for a player that the club couldn’t turn down.”


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 14:13:45
No more new threads. Just fucking cope with it.

Or don't ask Reg to justify himself if you don't want to read the answers.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 14:15:37

Or don't ask Reg to justify himself if you don't want to read the answers.

Now there's an idea!

Don't feed the troll!


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 14:16:53
25% Football 80% Reg  :)


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 14:17:16
No more new threads. Just fucking cope with it.

Or don't ask Reg to justify himself if you don't want to read the answers.

+1. It’s like prodding a bear with a stick. Just don’t.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 15:24:00
+1. It’s like prodding a bear with a stick. Just don’t.

What sort of stick though?

You will remember that I wrote years back that an elm was a better stick to prod with than a beech (something the ancient Britons all knew about), or at least it was until Thatcher privitised all the sticks.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 16:54:42
Liam McAlinden signs for Stockport


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 17:11:46
Ooh i thought someone's signed since i left the page open this morning. Nope, 3 pages of drivel. Utter pile of dogshit.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 17:18:22
Ooh i thought someone's signed since i left the page open this morning. Nope, 3 pages of drivel. Utter pile of dogshit.
This...


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Ginginho on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 17:19:58
Reg is right though, to be fair.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 17:20:52
Liam McAlinden signs for Stockport
Thats his level.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 18:00:54
On another note, apparently Football Phil has been banned from home games!


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 18:16:58
On another note, apparently Football Phil has been banned from home games!
Whats he done? hes pretty harmless if massively gobby and ill educated. I had the misfortune of spending an hour pre match at Coventry listening to him telling all the locals we were bringing 3,000+ and they would be outsung.

Who did he verbally abuse? :D


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: come on you redssss on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 18:18:29
Whats he done? hes pretty harmless if massively gobby and ill educated. I had the misfortune of spending an hour pre match at Coventry listening to him telling all the locals we were bringing 3,000+ and they would be outsung.

Who did he verbally abuse? :D
Young, disabled Plymouth fans apparently.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 18:34:54
Young, disabled Plymouth fans apparently.


Oooh he's a hard man!
I was sat in the Arkels earlier this season (Newport) and a group of young lads were calling the away fans cunts when they scored and went on to win the game. All while shouting come on then you cunts let's have it :doh:

Now I like a laugh and joke but hese clowns couldn't/shouldn't fight with their own shadow and I watched as this fella who had his kids with him go and tell them to either shut up or go and join the away fans and try their luck. He was then threatened by a gob shite four or 5 rows up and told if he didn't like it he shouldn't watch football. Totally unacceptable behaviour. This sounds very similar to this fuck wit who rightly so has been banned.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 18:37:15
So...

Any rumours?


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: come on you redssss on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 18:47:46
So...

Any rumours?
Eoin Doyle.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 18:50:32
This sounds very similar to this fuck wit who rightly so has been banned.
Not defending football Phill but he is about 65 and obviously autistic or at minimum has aspergers.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 18:57:02
I had cottage pie for tea.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 18:57:22
With some red cabbage.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: come on you redssss on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 19:00:13
I had cottage pie for tea.
I think you mean dinner.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 19:00:55
The cottage pie had Quorn in it. Very tasty, but doesn't mean I'm turning vegan.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 19:02:27
I think you mean dinner.
I'd like to object to your criticism of my use of the English language! On a rumours section as well!


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 19:05:43
Fucking transfer rumours you bunch of cunts.

I can't be arsed faffing about with splitting threads now.


Title: 20 goal strikers
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 19:37:27
The cottage pie had Quorn in it. Very tasty, but doesn't mean I'm turning vegan.

Quorn mince isn't vegan anyway


Title: Re: 20 goal strikers
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, January 14, 2020, 20:27:41
Apologies if any actual rumours got removed by the split, please feel free to try again in the appropriate thread.

That's 5 fucking pages of bollocks, by the way. Behave. Rather a lot of people come here for football, believe it or not.