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Title: Hard drives/storage
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, December 16, 2019, 10:53:17
Hi all (really only Venkman/SiPie).

My NAS is on theway out so looking at options to replace. Half interested to build my own based on raspberry pi4/sata hats but not if it's going to be more expensive. Any good deals about on storage? I'm finding hard drives to be pretty expensive.


Title: Re: Hard drives/storage
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, December 16, 2019, 11:10:28
No the price of decent HDD's are really high at the moment.

I use 3 3tb HDD's but I get mine from Cex for the amount I use them, more storage than retrieval and the price even there is high.

The 3tb in Cex is about £40, my daughter is manager in the Bridgewater one so I get 15% off so that brings it down a bit, I just hate spending much on storage now but don't trust clud storage.

I know you are looking around £60 for a 3tb and £80 for a 4tb which is you are stringing 3 or 4 into a NAS then thats pretty pricey, the low power ones even more expensive.

I get deals offered all the time so will keep an eye out, if you can get to Bridgwater I can get you the 15% off on a 2nd hand one if its any good, probably not cost effective though.


Title: Re: Hard drives/storage
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, December 16, 2019, 11:22:32
Cheers JJ. Yeah I'm seeing 3TB WD Reds for about £90 - £100. I have a single drive NAS at the moment which is 3Tb so I'd be wanted to upgrade to dual drive for redundancy and hopefully increse the strorage size too. Looking at over £200 just for the drives...


Title: Re: Hard drives/storage
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, December 16, 2019, 11:42:58
Yeah for low power NAS HDDs they are really dear, do you have much through put or is it just occassional storage?

I only use mine for Films/TV programs and game back ups so don't use much at all in traffic just storage hardly ever access.

No idea why they are so pricey, just as memory and SSD prices drop like a stone the HDDs go up. Or at least don't come down any more. I know 2nd hand a WD red NAS 3tb is about £60 but you never can be sure of the on hours and usage so could be buying a lemon, not great when you rely on them.


Title: Re: Hard drives/storage
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, December 16, 2019, 18:05:30
Just films, TV and generally data storage/backup.

Not adverse to 2nd hand but like you say easy to buy a lemon. A NAS drive is generally going to have been running 24/7/365.


Title: Re: Hard drives/storage
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, December 16, 2019, 18:08:31
Any idea what drives they use in these bad boys? Got to be at least WD Green/Blue.

https://www.ebuyer.com/639063-wd-elements-desktop-4tb-external-hdd-wdbwlg0040hbk-eesn?gclid=Cj0KCQiA89zvBRDoARIsAOIePbC7O8OXyQVguDfvSbl4JXdDdA3-NHgr6e4ovFwY6QOToO-Ec-jTZcUaAsOkEALw_wcB


Title: Re: Hard drives/storage
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, December 16, 2019, 19:04:20
The code for the 4tb is WDBWLG0040 which means its a Western Digital Blue.


Title: Re: Hard drives/storage
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, December 16, 2019, 22:11:15
OK cheers, desktop drive then.


Title: Re: Hard drives/storage
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, January 2, 2020, 22:36:22
SO my NAS has gone on the blink! One of the 2 x 1TB drives appears inaccessible. I've had the thing for about 10 years and used cheaper desktop drives. I think this is the second failure in that time.

Any recommendation on what to replace it with?

I only store documents, photos, music and the odd video.

P.S. Running in a Synology DS213+


Title: Re: Hard drives/storage
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, January 3, 2020, 09:58:45
Western Digital Red are the top spec NAS drives. Around £90 for a 3Tb drive.


Title: Re: Hard drives/storage
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 3, 2020, 10:01:07
Western Digital Red are the top spec NAS drives. Around £90 for a 3Tb drive.
Good drives, good longevity and low power and not a bad price.


Title: Re: Hard drives/storage
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, January 3, 2020, 10:05:16
Think I'll just limp along with the 2 x 1TBs for the time being. Just turned off the Synology box and vacuumed out all of the dust and checked what I had in there:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-7200RPM-Cache-SATA3-Drive/dp/B005T3GRNW/ref=sr_1_3?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1397741330&sr=1-3&keywords=Seagate%2BST1000DM003&th=1

Hoping the second disc will spring back into life, but think not. For £36 I might just aswell replace like for like and get another couple of years out of it.


Title: Re: Hard drives/storage
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, January 3, 2020, 11:34:32
Think I'll just limp along with the 2 x 1TBs for the time being. Just turned off the Synology box and vacuumed out all of the dust and checked what I had in there:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Seagate-7200RPM-Cache-SATA3-Drive/dp/B005T3GRNW/ref=sr_1_3?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1397741330&sr=1-3&keywords=Seagate%2BST1000DM003&th=1

Hoping the second disc will spring back into life, but think not. For £36 I might just aswell replace like for like and get another couple of years out of it.

Bargain if you just want to repair.


Title: Re: Hard drives/storage
Post by: Samdy Gray on Saturday, January 4, 2020, 11:55:23
You might find an RPi a bit under powered depending on what you want to run on it. For storage it'll be fine.

I'm running a Plex server and Home Assistant server on my NAS, I built my own using spare parts and run Xigmanas. I think it's a G3258 processor which is plenty.


Title: Re: Hard drives/storage
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, May 5, 2020, 19:49:25
Bunging it in here. I'm looking for an NM Card. Just wondering if anyone has seen any decent prices/deals for either a 128 or 256gb one.

TIA :)


Title: Re: Hard drives/storage
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 6, 2020, 07:47:18
Bunging it in here. I'm looking for an NM Card. Just wondering if anyone has seen any decent prices/deals for either a 128 or 256gb one.

TIA :)
If you mean NVMe then you will struggle to better this price/speed/cost.

https://www.ebuyer.com/909706-kingston-250gb-a2000-m2-nvme-ssd-sa2000m8-250g

250gb Kingston for £45 inc vat.


Title: Re: Hard drives/storage
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, May 6, 2020, 21:23:44
If you mean NVMe then you will struggle to better this price/speed/cost.

https://www.ebuyer.com/909706-kingston-250gb-a2000-m2-nvme-ssd-sa2000m8-250g

250gb Kingston for £45 inc vat.

Sorry PV not NVMe. I do mean NM. It's a newish storage device for a phone. Its very much like a Nano Sim but is "originally" called a Nano Memory card. Thanks though :)


Title: Re: Hard drives/storage
Post by: Simon Pieman on Thursday, May 7, 2020, 08:05:32
Sorry PV not NVMe. I do mean NM. It's a newish storage device for a phone. Its very much like a Nano Sim but is "originally" called a Nano Memory card. Thanks though :)

Developed by Huawei so you have to use their proprietary card rather than Micro USB which is cheaper, faster and has greater capacity. That being said most phones don't have expandable storage so it's another option to have other than the cloud.



Title: Re: Hard drives/storage
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, May 7, 2020, 08:29:51
Sorry PV not NVMe. I do mean NM. It's a newish storage device for a phone. Its very much like a Nano Sim but is "originally" called a Nano Memory card. Thanks though :)
Ah cool no probs, just checking :)


Title: Re: Hard drives/storage
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 04:43:29
Developed by Huawei so you have to use their proprietary card rather than Micro USB which is cheaper, faster and has greater capacity. That being said most phones don't have expandable storage so it's another option to have other than the cloud.



Yeah that's the one but I'd heard that a few other manufacturers were starting to develop them too (obviously not Samsung) so wondered if anyone had seen. More manufacturers of course brings down the price.

I assume you mean Micro SD, as that's the usual go to for most smartphones with expandable. True, but for me at present R@90Mbps & W@80mbps is fast enough for me and on a phone 256gb of expandable is plenty (I'm fairly good at archiving), plus if I encode to H.265 I think that saves about ⅓ of space too. Plus the phone comes with 128 & 256gb internal.

Yep, saves having to source more cloud or ughhh paying for more. Plus when archived I can at least know if I lose it/corrupt the card then it'll be on me largely.

Although few have rivalled the SD/MicroSD market, making the NM the same size as the Nano Sim could be a masterstroke in terms of production. We may only be talking a few pence per unit but it could mean only one jig size for two processes (SIM & Memory). If they can get the NM to read levels of 100mbps then someone like SanDisk might start making them? But I imagine the two go hand in hand and the likes of SanDisk are already testing NM cards (trying to increase R speed). Time will tell.


Title: Re: Hard drives/storage
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 04:50:51
Ah cool no probs, just checking :)

You're welcome mate. Hope you're doing alright? Btw, I do like a good curry that doesn't use cream. Those legumes emulsify enough that it makes cream exempt. I like soups done that way too. Used to make a nice Courgette & Mint Soup. Mind fuck though, you could have bowlfuls of it on a Summer's day and it really would cool you down :)


Title: Re: Hard drives/storage
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 08:47:11
You're welcome mate. Hope you're doing alright? Btw, I do like a good curry that doesn't use cream. Those legumes emulsify enough that it makes cream exempt. I like soups done that way too. Used to make a nice Courgette & Mint Soup. Mind fuck though, you could have bowlfuls of it on a Summer's day and it really would cool you down :)
Anytime mate. Have a go at that curry, its well worth it!


Title: Re: Hard drives/storage
Post by: Simon Pieman on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 17:00:23
Yeah that's the one but I'd heard that a few other manufacturers were starting to develop them too (obviously not Samsung) so wondered if anyone had seen. More manufacturers of course brings down the price.

I assume you mean Micro SD, as that's the usual go to for most smartphones with expandable. True, but for me at present R@90Mbps & W@80mbps is fast enough for me and on a phone 256gb of expandable is plenty (I'm fairly good at archiving), plus if I encode to H.265 I think that saves about ⅓ of space too. Plus the phone comes with 128 & 256gb internal.

Yep, saves having to source more cloud or ughhh paying for more. Plus when archived I can at least know if I lose it/corrupt the card then it'll be on me largely.

Although few have rivalled the SD/MicroSD market, making the NM the same size as the Nano Sim could be a masterstroke in terms of production. We may only be talking a few pence per unit but it could mean only one jig size for two processes (SIM & Memory). If they can get the NM to read levels of 100mbps then someone like SanDisk might start making them? But I imagine the two go hand in hand and the likes of SanDisk are already testing NM cards (trying to increase R speed). Time will tell.

Yep micro SD, not sure why I put micro usb.

I've only used 20% of storage on my phone, I don't think I'll ever need to worry about using up the space!


Title: Re: Hard drives/storage
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 18:34:38
Anytime mate. Have a go at that curry, its well worth it!

Will do for sure. Was thinking of going 1 parts Gara Masala to 4 parts curry powder then soak some chilli flakes in. Live the fragrance of gara and the softer heat and hits of chill flakes :)


Title: Re: Hard drives/storage
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, May 9, 2020, 18:39:46
Yep micro SD, not sure why I put micro usb.

I've only used 20% of storage on my phone, I don't think I'll ever need to worry about using up the space!

Likewise but I'll prob use expandable as an intermediary for transferring images separately, allowing me to 
continue using the phone at optimum speed and less latency. At least, it should be more efficient. Plus I do like having "cold" storage as a back up to the cloud.