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Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 10:31:19
extinction rebellion blocking the M32 and the police doing nothing. cunts the lot of em


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 10:35:09
extinction rebellion blocking the M32 and the police doing nothing. cunts the lot of em

Bunch of fucking annoying cunts that's what they are. It ain't gonna do fuck all apart from piss a lot of people off.


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 11:15:21
Good on them. Hopefully lots of people are waking up and starting to examine their own consumption and make changes.


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 11:18:25
Good on them. Hopefully lots of people are waking up and starting to examine their own consumption and make changes.

I'm inclined to agree. My only concern is that they may block emergency vehicles. Other than that, more power to their elbow. The planet is headed for a global disaster yet people are concerned about being late for work because people are trying to do something to prevent it?


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 11:29:56
Waste of time, with the global population spiralling out of control it's inevitable that the wheels will come off at some point.

Block the M32 and cars/trucks will sit there spewing out more fumes, what do they think people will do? "Oh, there's an idea, I'll walk to Bristol"


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 11:40:29
Waste of time, with the global population spiralling out of control it's inevitable that the wheels will come off at some point.


It's only inevitable if nobody does anything about it, and people are starting to take notice. Largely thanks to groups like extinction rebellion.


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 11:49:30
It's only inevitable if nobody does anything about it, and people are starting to take notice. Largely thanks to groups like extinction rebellion.

At the time of the last ER London show, I had an interesting conversation in the pub with a couple of fellas in their mid 30's.

Their take was there was nothing they could do about it, so accepted that we're fucked.... with this in mind they had no intention of procreating, and fully intended carrying on as usual until armageddion time.

I think this is a fairly common response, along with people wanting something done for them rather than by them.


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 11:51:18
I'm saying too many people on the planet is the problem. 4 billion to over 7 billion in less than 50 years. Deforestation, increase in pollution and waste. Inevitable.
What's the answer to reduce our impact on the planet? Less humans would help.


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 11:52:37
It's only inevitable if nobody does anything about it, and people are starting to take notice. Largely thanks to groups like extinction rebellion.

And an example showing that it can be done: https://www.sciencealert.com/scotland-s-wind-turbines-are-now-generating-double-what-its-residents-need?fbclid=IwAR3fk_ygBVVC2--xZp1u3V-0PUsHQodFD_Gzgnjxq4Bp3H0h349VhjcYIrM


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 11:54:18
The group are vandals. What gives them the right to vandalise?

https://twitter.com/BBCWiltshire/status/1151441685987110912


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 11:56:32
The group are vandals. What gives them the right to vandalise?

https://twitter.com/BBCWiltshire/status/1151441685987110912
Except they didn't do it, they condemned it and offered to help clean it up. But yeah, good deflection from the actual issue at hand.


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 11:58:10
And an example showing that it can be done: https://www.sciencealert.com/scotland-s-wind-turbines-are-now-generating-double-what-its-residents-need?fbclid=IwAR3fk_ygBVVC2--xZp1u3V-0PUsHQodFD_Gzgnjxq4Bp3H0h349VhjcYIrM

Which goes to prove that projects are in place and are also being developed, the protest groups seem to want to cause chaos which does nobody any favours.


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 11:59:04
I can't read that. I'm blocked.

If they have been vandalising stuff then the old bill have every right to charge them accordingly. Nobody is above the law. But compare it to the damage that they are trying to prevent overall. Some mild property damage in comparison to the potential break down of global economies, etc. I know which I'd prefer to see.


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 12:01:38
Which goes to prove that projects are in place and are also being developed, the protest groups seem to want to cause chaos which does nobody any favours.
The overall issue had lost all political impetus and was being stalled or reversed. The likes of that Danish(?) schoolgirl with her school strikes and XR with their obstructive direct action have put it back on the agenda. Whether they're going about it in the right way is open for discussion but they are having an effect which sitting on our hands and hoping the likes of Boris Johnson (who's previously backed climate change deniers) will fix it for us isn't really going to work is it?


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 12:01:54
Which goes to prove that projects are in place and are also being developed,

But not quickly enough. Britain overall is still burning oil for power. We are still using petrol-powered cars. We also need to do more to put pressure on other countries.


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 12:17:02
I still blame population, can't see anything reversing that. Think of the carbon footprint from just one person in a lifetime, even when trying to be good.


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 12:24:14
I still blame population, can't see anything reversing that. Think of the carbon footprint from just one person in a lifetime, even when trying to be good.

So you're in the fuck all we can do about it camp.... might as well have a good time waiting for armageddion  :hmmm:


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 12:26:00
But not quickly enough. Britain overall is still burning oil for power. We are still using petrol-powered cars. We also need to do more to put pressure on other countries.

I confess my reading regarding the topic is limited to this article only, but seems at first glance to be sensible and another example of talking the talk but not walking the walk and the manner in which Brexit has paralysed our parliamentary system!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-49003496

A huge amount of the gases that cause damage come from farming and specifically the rear end of cattle, I read something the other week that suggested this could be reduced significantly just by adding  a little seaweed to their diet, but again people are not doing it because the catastrophe forecast is not within their lifetime. .



Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 12:26:45
I still blame population, can't see anything reversing that. Think of the carbon footprint from just one person in a lifetime, even when trying to be good.


It is reversible, though. Cut emissions and plant more plants to suck the shit out of the atmosphere, replacing it with oxygen. Of course, that's very much simplified, but nature can do the rest if we do our part. There's even machines in development that can such all the shit out of the air. There's just not enough political/commercial will-power to develop and build them. If the energy companies and other polluters thought they'd make enough from cleaning up their emissions, it would probably have happened already a long time ago.

That's what is so frustrating, we CAN do something about it collectively but most people would rather complain that a bunch of tree huggers are making them late for work.


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 12:32:50
plant more plants to suck the shit out of the atmosphere, replacing it with oxygen. Of course, that's very much simplified, but nature can do the rest if we do our part.

Thing is this gets the nimby's agitated, the vast majority of the north of England used to be covered in deciduous woodland, however propose to return that and everyone hits the roof about affecting the views of the lakes etc.

Whilst I would hate to get political about it, now would seem the perfect opportunity, the NFU and government now seem to be fairly in agreement that a no deal brexit is going to decimate UK farming so get the land back into woodland use.


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 12:37:54
Thing is this gets the nimby's agitated, the vast majority of the north of England used to be covered in deciduous woodland, however propose to return that and everyone hits the roof about affecting the views of the lakes etc.


Then there's those that say there's no such thing as global warming because it was cold where they are today, and that the scientists (people that are highly qualified and educated in the topic and actually do know what they are talking about) are wrong. 


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 12:40:21
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Good on them. Hopefully lots of people are waking up and starting to examine their own consumption and make changes.
they're preaching to the wrong people, and you lose the power of persuasion by behaving like fuckwits (criminally).

hopefully many of them will end up in police cells.


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 12:46:59
Quote from: Flashheart
yet people are concerned about being late for work because people are trying to do something to prevent it?

or missing hospital appointments.
or missing getting to the hospital in time to be with a dying father (as  one caller to radio Bristol did).
or, or..

protest is a vital right. freedom of speech too.

acting unlawfully isn't.

anywho..


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 12:51:13
I already expressed my concerns over emergency vehicles not getting through. That much is not right.

Everybody else, however, can go fuck themselves if they want to whine about it. This shit is perhaps the most serious event in man's time on Earth, far more serious than delays on a motorway. And my kids and grandkids will be left living in the mess.


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 12:51:58
PMQ's sums it up...

Corbyn says time is running out on climate change, and asks why a recent report has said the government is "coasting" on climate change.

Mrs May says "we have a fine record on climate change" ( note no evidence to support)

Theresa May uses her first answer to Jeremy Corbyn to attack the Labour leader over allegations of anti-Semitism. She reads from the peers' letter to the Guardian and - to rising noise levels in the chamber - demands he apologise for not dealing with "racism" in his party.


And climate change is immediately forgotten, why should anyone give a shit, the government clearly doesn't!


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 12:55:22
PMQ's sums it up...

Corbyn says time is running out on climate change, and asks why a recent report has said the government is "coasting" on climate change.

Mrs May says "we have a fine record on climate change" ( note no evidence to support)

Theresa May uses her first answer to Jeremy Corbyn to attack the Labour leader over allegations of anti-Semitism. She reads from the peers' letter to the Guardian and - to rising noise levels in the chamber - demands he apologise for not dealing with "racism" in his party.


And climate change is immediately forgotten, why should anyone give a shit, the government clearly doesn't!

And that is why we need people blocking motorways 'n' shit. None of this would be necessary if we could trust our politicians with it.


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 12:55:49
I already expressed my concerns over emergency vehicles not getting through. That much is not right.


I recalled and a quick google confirmed, ER have a specific policy on the matter;

What is your policy on emergency vehicles?

We have no intention of delaying emergency vehicles and are working with the police to make sure this doesn’t happen.

Giving notice to the police allows plans to be put in place to reroute vehicles.

From https://rebellion.earth/the-truth/faqs/


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 12:57:49
PMQ's sums it up...

Corbyn says time is running out on climate change, and asks why a recent report has said the government is "coasting" on climate change.

Mrs May says "we have a fine record on climate change" ( note no evidence to support)

Theresa May uses her first answer to Jeremy Corbyn to attack the Labour leader over allegations of anti-Semitism. She reads from the peers' letter to the Guardian and - to rising noise levels in the chamber - demands he apologise for not dealing with "racism" in his party.


And climate change is immediately forgotten, why should anyone give a shit, the government clearly doesn't!
I watched it and was stunned by the shameless hypocrisy of May. Corbyn was piss-poor though - it took Ian Blackford to call her out on her own appallingly racist past though.....


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 13:14:10
I watched it and was stunned by the shameless hypocrisy of May. Corbyn was piss-poor though - it took Ian Blackford to call her out on her own appallingly racist past though.....
Corbyn's a disgrace to shambles everywhere. His abject failure to get hold of either Brexit or more especially the anti-Semitism problem in the party is beyond appalling. No wonder Boris Johnson's looking to call an early election. Though there's some sense from Labour's point of view in letting the Tories win it, and let them own the mess they have created. That's assuming Labour survive much beyond then


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 13:23:36
and the net effect of extinction rebellion blocking the M32 will be zero.

every little helps, but with current US policy and China/Asia even the UK becoming carbon neutral is almost pointless.


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 13:27:19
and the net effect of extinction rebellion blocking the M32 will be zero.


Will it?

Their protests in London got the government's attention. Now it's time to do more to get more than just lip-service. And even if blocking the M32 has no effect in isolation, it can still be part of a much larger campaign.


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 13:27:48
The political landscape in the UK is a neverending circle...
Usually yes, but the two major parties are particularly inept and extreme at the moment to an extent that endangers both our economy and our democracy.

EDIT: Whoops, hadn't quite twigged this was in the "trivial things" rather than politics thread. Mods, can it be moved? Or possibly make a new thread for the M32/XR debate?


Title: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 13:29:16
The political landscape in the UK is a neverending circle...

Labour gets into power promising the world - halfway through the term they find out they cannot pay for all the promises and start borrowing huge sums of money getting us into mega debt.......

The Tories then take over lumbered with the carcrash created by Labour , this means they have to make cuts to steady the ship , they then have several terms to sort the issues  , by the third term the austerity  needed to deal with labours mismanagement has made them so unpopular they go into the next election and lose out to Labour

Labour gets into power promising the world - halfway through the term they find out they cannot pay for all the promises and start borrowing huge sums of money getting us into mega debt.......

The Tories then take over lumbered with the carcrash created by Labour , this means they have to make cuts to steady the ship , they then have several terms to sort the issues  , by the third term the austerity  needed to deal with labours mismanagement has made them so unpopular they go into the next election and lose out to labour

And so it goes on...........


So it's only Labour's fault?


Title: Re: Trivial things you don't understand/mildly annoy you
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 13:35:34
The political landscape in the UK is a neverending circle...

Labour gets into power promising the world - halfway through the term they find out they cannot pay for all the promises and start borrowing huge sums of money getting us into mega debt.......

The Tories then take over lumbered with the carcrash created by Labour , this means they have to make cuts to steady the ship , they then have several terms to sort the issues  , by the third term the austerity  needed to deal with labours mismanagement has made them so unpopular they go into the next election and lose out to Labour

Labour gets into power promising the world - halfway through the term they find out they cannot pay for all the promises and start borrowing huge sums of money getting us into mega debt.......

The Tories then take over lumbered with the carcrash created by Labour , this means they have to make cuts to steady the ship , they then have several terms to sort the issues  , by the third term the austerity  needed to deal with labours mismanagement has made them so unpopular they go into the next election and lose out to labour

And so it goes on...........



As public debt continued to rise sharply following Cameron's election (being 50% higher in 2015 than it had been in 2010, this point just doesn't (like austerity) add up (note also that much of the upturn in 2008 relates to the bailing out of the banks, coincidentally led by many of the top Tory doners!)?

(https://fullfact.org/media/uploads/uk_government_debt_in_cash.png)

 


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Cowley38 on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 13:37:15
So it's only Labour's fault?

That comment was a reply to a poster who commented on May And Corbyn changing the subject on Climate change to accuse each other of racism and anti semetism....

Corbyn is an Anti-semetist and racist who isnt fit to run the county  but no Climate change is not Corbyn or Labours fault


Title: Re: Trivial things you don't understand/mildly annoy you
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 13:38:55
It's also a total myth anyway. Labour have consistently borrowed less and paid back more than the Torys over time.

https://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/03/14/labour-have-borrowed-less-and-repaid-more-than-the-conservatives-since-1979/


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 13:40:25
That comment was a reply to a poster who commented on May And Corbyn changing the subject on Climate change to accuse each other of racism and anti semetism....

Corbyn is an Anti-semetist and racist who isnt fit to run the county  but no Climate change is not Corbyn or Labours fault

And May and Johnson are Islamophobic and not fit to run the country, so we are a bit stuck really!


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 13:41:23
Corbyn is an Anti-semetist
*Anti-semite. Sorry, but it gets my OCD :)


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 13:44:56
That comment was a reply to a poster who commented on May And Corbyn changing the subject on Climate change to accuse each other of racism and anti semetism....

Corbyn is an Anti-semetist and racist who isnt fit to run the county  but no Climate change is not Corbyn or Labours fault

I know, I was not asking if climate change was Labour's fault.

I was asking about the political/economic cycle you described. You make it out as though the tories are good guys and do no wrong.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 13:45:05
Will it?

Their protests in London got the government's attention. Now it's time to do more to get more than just lip-service. And even if blocking the M32 has no effect in isolation, it can still be part of a much larger campaign.

Government lip service more like.

And yeah, I think it'll make bugger all different. You need a change in society to drive the government. Pissing of the people you are trying to change is a stupid idea.

In any case, the police are actually starting to do the job they're paid to now.
-----
Amusing a guy I used to work with tried to leaflet me. So I asked him in front of his xr friends whether he still had his classic car rental business :)


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Cowley38 on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 13:46:34
I know, I was not asking if climate change was Labour's fault.

I was asking about the political/economic cycle you described. You make it out as though the tories are good guys and do no wrong.

Haha no the Tories are no angels and to be honest why not have a military coup get rid of the lot of the useless W****rs

Thats just the political cycle I have seen in my 50 years on the planet.........


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Cowley38 on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 13:49:43
*Anti-semite. Sorry, but it gets my OCD :)

Cheers...... :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 13:50:04
Haha no the Tories are no angels and to be honest why not have a military coup get rid of the lot of the useless W****rs
I think you've just uncovered Boris Johnson's "Get No Deal through despite parliament" plan


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 13:51:14
Don't agree with ER's methods but you could say it's needed as people are not taking notice of the warnings. Short term pain to get long term gain maybe?

Regarding Government spending, it could be argued that the investment Labour spend, has gone on undoing the mess to public services the conservative government creates.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 14:04:47


Corbyn is an Anti-semetist and racist

How is he? He comes across as the least racist MP you could meet.
Boris on the other hand......


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 14:07:41
 So Corbyn is to blame for climate change ?

 George Monbiot, has been decent on this for years... and sums up the present state in this article....

 https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/apr/15/rebellion-prevent-ecological-apocalypse-civil-disobedience


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 14:12:08
Absolute bunch of cretins, amount of police and ambulances I’ve seen held up by their blockades around Bristol is putting people’s lives at risk here and now. Working on often controversial projects like HS2 and HPC a lot of them are the usual faces who protest about everything but don’t seem to add anything to society. They just claim their profession is ‘raising awareness’.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 14:15:29
Mods, I think we have been hacked and merged with BTL on the Mail site!  :D


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 14:39:57
Absolute bunch of cretins, amount of police and ambulances I’ve seen held up by their blockades around Bristol is putting people’s lives at risk here and now. Working on often controversial projects like HS2 and HPC a lot of them are the usual faces who protest about everything but don’t seem to add anything to society. They just claim their profession is ‘raising awareness’.

Not to mention the missed/delayed NHS hospital appointments. Though that benefited me as we walked straight in.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 14:44:29
Absolute bunch of cretins, amount of police and ambulances I’ve seen held up by their blockades around Bristol is putting people’s lives at risk here and now. Working on often controversial projects like HS2 and HPC a lot of them are the usual faces who protest about everything but don’t seem to add anything to society. They just claim their profession is ‘raising awareness’.

 :bandwagon:


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 15:01:44
A lot of them are clueless about what they are actually even protesting about which doesn’t help their cause. They say it is climate change and being carbon neutral but some of them are going on about nuclear contributing to it and should all be shut down. Based on what they want more nuclear is exactly what they need as it is carbon neutral, obviously getting lost between the various other uninformed protests they attend.

I especially like the ‘no drugs or alcohol in the camp site’ signs they have all over Castle Park. The fact they have needed to do that does do much for their image.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: ron dodgers on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 15:17:37
7.7 billion humans approximately , you only need 4,169 as a viable population, lots of wiggle room there


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Pax Romana on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 17:59:41
Some mild property damage in comparison to the potential break down of global economies, etc. I know which I'd prefer to see.

You present that as if these are the only two options available.

Obviously I'd rather you shot me in the foot than in the head.  But I'd actually prefer that you didn't shoot me at all.

Voicing a concern that ER's actions may be counter-productive seems valid to me.  It isn't reasonable for you to  extrapolate that anyone who doesn't support ER is therefore automatically blind to climate change and the need for action.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 18:29:00
I can only write of my experiences but, being based around BS3 and BS4, the 'inconvenience' impact on south Bristol hasn't been nearly as bad as what we were warned to brace ourselves for (Bristol Post clickbait put the fear of god in to lots of people).

We knew about this in advance so many of us (who could) changed our commute to avoid delays and the roads have been noticeable quieter as a result.
 
I was in the city centre yesterday and the mood was generally really quite nice with emergency services moving around quite easily (definitely saw a couple of ambulences on the move).

Appreciate my observations aren't definitive.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 19:39:22
Locally an ER activist has been wondering out loud, why SBC hasn't declared a climate emergency, like many other councils, and so use that to guide policy locally?

This made me think of the GW Community Forest. This was designated back in 92. After the storms of the late 80's, it was decided that locking up carbon in trees, was an effective method of carbon reduction. Around those years, I was involved in 3 planting projects... at the time 3% of the Borough and surrounding areas designated as GWF were wooded, the aim was to get it up nearer 30%.  Obviously not possible in more urban Swindon, so this was to be made up by planting in more suitable areas.

The original aims of the GWF were not just carbon sinking but well-being, health and fitness, biophilia etc..... somewhere in the intervening years it seems to have got lost, in a sea of sawn down trees and ripped up hedges of new housing developments.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 20:07:30
Fair play to them, at least someone is trying. As for disruption I worked through the London one no problems, and I go from south to north everyday.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 21:01:17
I think they are just a bunch of hippy cunts.

That’s my opinion on it all.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 21:28:58
Ditto.

But my gripe was the stupidity of blocking the M32, and of the police (initially) doing sod all.

If it's ok to do that kind of stuff, then let's all do it next time we have a gripe.

They can be hippy cunts as much as they like, we all know humanity is on a course for self districting.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 22:10:51
I can only write of my experiences but, being based around BS3 and BS4, the 'inconvenience' impact on south Bristol hasn't been nearly as bad as what we were warned to brace ourselves for (Bristol Post clickbait put the fear of god in to lots of people).

We knew about this in advance so many of us (who could) changed our commute to avoid delays and the roads have been noticeable quieter as a result.
 
I was in the city centre yesterday and the mood was generally really quite nice with emergency services moving around quite easily (definitely saw a couple of ambulences on the move).

Appreciate my observations aren't definitive.
Whereas I got stuck in all that M32 shit this morning as trains weren't running due a train hitting something and it was backed up all the way to junction 19 of the M4. My office is having to operate on effectively a double gate basis as they threatened to occupy it so we've had to get G4S in to man the doors and let people in and out.
Been lots on the news about NHS staff struggling to get to work or out to see patients for home visits. With the roadworks in the city centre already it's just causing people more misery.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, July 17, 2019, 22:31:03
What these clowns fail to realise is that the very people they are inconveniencing (general public) aren’t the people they should be inconveniencing (politicians).

FYI just noticed there is a documentary about them due to start on BBC1


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Thursday, July 18, 2019, 03:30:54
My own spin on this is permaculture. I've over the last maybe 3 or 4 years been looking into it fairly intensively. For anyone new to it, it's a form of self sufficiency and how we can use our current environment and modern spaces to introduce a whole ecosystem as well as reintroduce flora and fauna. I'm hoping to network later in the year with a bunch of people in the USA who are driving forces in permaculture (because I don't know everything about it yet). All I do know is that via permaculture and suchlike, we CAN all do SOMETHING to make our local ecology be restored to nature, whilst also benefiting from the fruits of our labour. Quite literally.

Extinction rebellion. I'm all for it. Those complaining about a motorway being closed will realise the irony that most motorways in the UK aren't even fit for purpose anymore. Because most of the time they're fucking gridlocked anyway.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, July 18, 2019, 09:21:15
I don't think their right or wrong to take the action they're taking, and some action is needed. I do think they're stupid though. Public support is key to growing a protest movement into something more substantial, and their actions will not build that.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, July 18, 2019, 09:44:36
I don't think their right or wrong to take the action they're taking, and some action is needed. I do think they're stupid though. Public support is key to growing a protest movement into something more substantial, and their actions will not build that.

The view of the general public on this issue (climate change) is very difficult to ascertain.... on the surface you'd imagine that nobody would disgree with the notion that as members of a species occupying a planet under threat, that individually and collectively we should be doing something about it, but even just reading the views on here, you can see it isn't the case.

The nuts and bolts of protest suggest that you need to get at about 3.5% of the population... the opinion formers, movers and shakers.  Shift them and the rest flip overnight.

However that is very difficult.... as can be seen by the presence of a climate change denier in the White House and his lapdog soon to be PM of the UK.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 18, 2019, 09:49:04
I think the general public are on board. Up to the point that action (I mean those needed to reverse climate issues) impacts their lives significantly. Human nature.

Not everyone is like this, obviously. Just in general.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: 4D on Thursday, July 18, 2019, 09:51:26
Be interested to know the percentage of "activists" who own a petrol/diesel car, jet abroad each year on holiday.  :sherlock:


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 18, 2019, 11:19:20
I think the general public are on board. Up to the point that action (I mean those needed to reverse climate issues) impacts their lives significantly. Human nature.

Not everyone is like this, obviously. Just in general.


Generally agree, but corrected as there was a superfluous word in there... I remain genuinely shocked how thoroughly uninterested the population at large are about something which is going to fuck our kids lives up, but to be fair after Brexit nothing surprises me anymore.

Anyway which one of you was this. https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/extinction-rebellion-bristol-protest-traffic-3104325


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, July 18, 2019, 13:00:22
Top man


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, July 18, 2019, 13:13:05
So his friend can't walk 1/4 of a mile to work but does a cleaning job???
Seems like a typical selfish motorist to me who lost it as they were inconvenienced by it.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, July 18, 2019, 13:13:48
They've spent too many years worrying the population about the cost of trying to do something about Climate Change, and not enough scaring the shit out of us about the financial costs of doing nothing.  Take Miami and New Orleans, both having to spend Billions of Dollars now to avoid going under water.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, July 18, 2019, 13:33:17
Its similar over here. In England, the Government currently spends around £0.6 billion each year on building and maintaining flood defences, with the Environment Agency recently recommending an annual spend of £1 billion on all flood risk management.

Mate of mine works for the EA and is quite senior in their climate change monitoring and resilience programme, in his case basically advising all the LPA's in Manchester what they need to do.

He is pretty much resigned to the fact that we are fucked* unless the public wake up in the next 1-2 years.

*not helped by the fact that a hell of a lot of the funding for these programmes comes from the EU and is slowly vanishing.


Title: Re: Extinction Rebellion 'n' shit.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, July 18, 2019, 14:28:52
Its similar over here.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/may/18/this-is-a-wake-up-call-the-villagers-who-could-be-britains-first-climate-refugees