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Title: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 10:32:16
While scepticism is fine, it's a shame that the other thread became bogged down in the negativity of a certain usual person.

I thought I'd open this for those that would rather discuss the potential positives. Myself included.

If you wish to be negative then there's another thread where you are free to do so, so fuck off and use that one instead.


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 10:38:50
I never want us to ever leave the County Ground, it wouldn’t the same club to me if we were playing in some soulless new build on a different site.

The fact that this scenario will be far less likely is the biggest plus point for me at the moment


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 10:56:20
Looking forward to hearing what Morfuni has to say.


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 10:59:41
I think its the best thing to happen to the club in many many years.

How is it possible to live so long being so utterly negative about everything?


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 11:01:33
I don't know mate.

For the purpose of this thread, let's just pretend that trollish nonsense in the other thread didn't happen  ;)


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: Super Hans on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 11:03:18
Would be a dream if we could redevelop.

Often drive past The County Ground and think if we're ever to progress it'll need to be turned in to flats and we'll be on the outskirts somewhere in an identical stadium to several other clubs. With this news the hope for me is that won't be the case.

Something like Deepdale would be fantastic if we could get the end stands somewhat spruced up.


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 11:13:19
I don't know mate.

For the purpose of this thread, let's just pretend that trollish nonsense in the other thread didn't happen  ;)
What thread? ;)

Something like Deepdale would be fantastic if we could get the end stands somewhat spruced up.
Several grounds have managed to upgrade and prosper, Deepdale being one of them, Fratton Park is another, on a bigger scale obviously St James Park (Newcastle not Exeter!) Bristol Shitty, Wolves and several lower league clubs have had some success in expanding their ground such as Tranmere, Bury, Exeter(who have a great standing home end), its very possible to attain a nice ground that doesn't feel souless (MK, Swansea, Darlington etc).

It all sounds very promising to me.


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 11:19:09
The only thing that could/would stop the redevelopment would be the residents.

I think they have stopped the stratton bank development before?


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: flammableBen on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 11:24:59
Jesus christ guys


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 12:00:50
It's like the mid nineties all over again  :)


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 12:04:40
Only 2 choices.

Status quo with the CG continuing to deteriorate or

A JV with at least the possibility of ground development

There has to be a leap of faith sometime. That time is now.


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 12:05:09
It's like the mid nineties all over again  :)

lolz. I wouldn't go that far, but it is good to have some positive vibes about the club and not just about the ground purchase. It's been too long.


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 12:05:39
I was looking at the photo's of that guy at the top of the floodlights last week. One showed the ground next to the cricket ground. I'm sure this was discussed but I cant remember.

So I'd like to see a new ground (with refurbed floodlights and rolex) built on the cricket pitch, and they move to where the CG is. The footprint looks about the same.  Was there a reason this couldn't be done?


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 12:07:00
Oh PS I feel a cyber Palestine coming...


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 12:10:30
I was looking at the photo's of that guy at the top of the floodlights last week. One showed the ground next to the cricket ground. I'm sure this was discussed but I cant remember.

So I'd like to see a new ground (with refurbed floodlights and rolex) built on the cricket pitch, and they move to where the CG is. The footprint looks about the same.  Was there a reason this couldn't be done?

Dunno, from experience Sport England can be quite a pain in the arse about such things.

The key for me is going to be which route do we go down, try and tart up a bit, or actual proper redevelopment of both ends in the first instance? Its going to need a third party on board to develop but things seem more exciting than they have done for many years, so now is the time to trust the Trust and crack on!


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 12:13:26
I was looking at the photo's of that guy at the top of the floodlights last week. One showed the ground next to the cricket ground. I'm sure this was discussed but I cant remember.

So I'd like to see a new ground (with refurbed floodlights and rolex) built on the cricket pitch, and they move to where the CG is. The footprint looks about the same.  Was there a reason this couldn't be done?

I think the pavilion is listed.
There might have been talk of having to move it when rotating the CG footprint was last mooted.


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 12:14:53
Dunno, from experience Sport England can be quite a pain in the arse about such things.

The key for me is going to be which route do we go down, try and tart up a bit, or actual proper redevelopment of both ends in the first instance? Its going to need a third party on board to develop but things seem more exciting than they have done for many years, so now is the time to trust the Trust and crack on!

Funnily enough I've had a fair few dealings with Sport England. After a few months of "consultation"  We get a one pager back with no objection or comments. Admittedly that isnt swapping sports usage, usually just provision of facilities on brown field sites


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 12:15:06
Dunno, from experience Sport England can be quite a pain in the arse about such things.

The key for me is going to be which route do we go down, try and tart up a bit, or actual proper redevelopment of both ends in the first instance? Its going to need a third party on board to develop but things seem more exciting than they have done for many years, so now is the time to trust the Trust and crack on!

You'd think the Stratton Bank is some way past just being 'tarted up'.


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 12:15:25
I think the pavilion is listed.
There might have been talk of having to move it when rotating the CG footprint was last mooted.

Think you might be right that rings a bell.


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 12:16:22
You'd think the Stratton Bank is some way past just being 'tarted up'.

Isnt the roof just so home fans dont get wet when the TE is knocked down? Once that's done a proper refurb done on the SB


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 12:16:48
Im excited at just the thought of something might happen it terms of re-development.

I touched on the town end re-build in the *negative* thread. Can anyone find a link to the article which discussed this. I have tried but can't. I'm sure it mentioned a pioneering unique build


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 12:17:24
I don’t know whether redeveloping the Bank is on the agenda, but bung a roof on it, close the TE while that is rebuilt and the fans go in the Bank.

I reckon the DRS is fine and the Arkells just a bit tired.

A TE actually making noise again would benefit the team, too.


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 12:17:37
http://truststfc.tv/the-county-ground-what-next/


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 12:18:27
I just love the idea of this being achieved under Power as it's going to be really entertaining to see if certain vocal individuals put up or shut up.... or their list of excuses why they don't.


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 12:19:34
I don’t know whether redeveloping the Bank is on the agenda, but bung a roof on it, close the TE while that is rebuilt and the fans go in the Bank.

I reckon the DRS is fine and the Arkells just a bit tired.

A TE actually making noise again would benefit the team, too.

I wouldnt even bother re-housing the townend fans into stratton bank. the facilities and work involved to get stratton bank up to shape to do this they may as well go into DRS or Arkells. It wouldnt please everyone but if it was for re-development then people would suck it up to get a nice new home.


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 12:25:55
Anyway, it must be a good thing as even the piss stains are envious

https://yellowsforum.co.uk/threads/scum-their-stadium.1974/#post-125038


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 12:34:06
Anyway, it must be a good thing as even the piss stains are envious

https://yellowsforum.co.uk/threads/scum-their-stadium.1974/#post-125038

Even better


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 12:38:23
Anyway, it must be a good thing as even the piss stains are envious

https://yellowsforum.co.uk/threads/scum-their-stadium.1974/#post-125038

Would theirs be 3/4 the price?


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 12:42:05
I find it difficult to summon any sympathy on almost any subject that shits on the piss stains, but the way their club is being fucked over by Kassam in an ongoing basis, comes close.

We don’t have to look very far to see the apocalypse Reg fears when redevelopment without fans involvement takes place.


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 12:42:53
Think you might be right that rings a bell.

Pavilion is indeed grade II listed.


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 12:46:09
Anyway, it must be a good thing as even the piss stains are envious

https://yellowsforum.co.uk/threads/scum-their-stadium.1974/#post-125038

The old Manor, is a classic example of how an owner of both club and ground, can shaft the fans if you're not careful. Kassam made about 6mill out of that and relocating to a flat pack near a sewerage works.

At the time he was seen by many as a white knight and duly awarded an honorary degree for community service in saving the club.


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 12:50:49
Ha I'd forgotten all about Oxford. 


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 12:52:31
It reminds me of this....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wj84tfS7ag4


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: Private Fraser on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 13:07:24
Im excited at just the thought of something might happen it terms of re-development.

I touched on the town end re-build in the *negative* thread. Can anyone find a link to the article which discussed this. I have tried but can't. I'm sure it mentioned a pioneering unique build

You may be thinking of the bit in Section 5 of the Trust's FAQs:
http://truststfc.tv/trust-faqs/


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: bathford on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 13:39:32
Maybe the various groups could form a consultancy and charge the piss stains a huge fee to show them how to do it properly.  That money could go towards our £2.2M target.


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 13:45:30
I think the trust's target is 1.1M. Power is paying for the other half.


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 13:47:37
I think the pavilion is listed.
There might have been talk of having to move it when rotating the CG footprint was last mooted.
There was and it can be. There's also the issue of finding a suitable site for the cricket club to relocate to if the idea is to completely move them off the County Ground, as opposed to move them within it.


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 13:50:40
We also need to make sure Power/Morfuni et al are well aware of the need for lasers, moats and portcullises.


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 13:55:44
Quote from: Flashheart
We also need to make sure Power/Morfuni et al are well aware of the need for lasers, moats and portcullises.

sharks with lasers, in the moat


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 14:03:56
sharks with lasers, in the moat

Yeah, but the sharks might eat the fans and lead to the demise of the club.... (Am i getting the need to see disaster in everything correct?)  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 14:08:40
Yeah, but the sharks might eat the fans and lead to the demise of the club.... (Am i getting the need to see disaster in everything correct?)  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
& the moat would become an ideal habitat for great crested newts. It wouldn't be worth the hassle.


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 14:14:56
We need a cantilevered away end so that it can be raised up and Pox fans tipped into the moat directly.


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: Private Fraser on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 14:15:25
sharks with lasers, in the moat

Won't somebody please think of the poor ballboys?!   :)


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 14:19:49
You may be thinking of the bit in Section 5 of the Trust's FAQs:
http://truststfc.tv/trust-faqs/


yes it was thanks. it was what caught my eye first time around. as stated this is phase 2 after the important and hard bit of the purchase. but still exciting.

Quote
5.2 What is this new Town end all about – what is it and why does it cost so much?

The new Town End would be a unique one, first in the UK, a showcase for other stadiums, more than seats and a roof. The company behind this have been down to see the County Ground and meet us, they are well respected and Independently funded, and they have Swindon as first choice. Can’t say much more as we have signed an NDA, but as Town fans we are very excited about the prospect, and hope it comes off regardless of the outcome.

It’s much more expensive than a usual stand because it would be the first of it’s kind in the UK, and would be multi-purpose. The developer would own and operate for the payback period – suggested as 10 years, based on their business plan. The football club would continue to receive the ticket revenue for the matches played during this time.

At the end of this period ownership would revert back to the stadium owner (Trust or Council or Club) and the developer would maintain a minority stake in future income generated.

This would be a massive investment into our Town, and could bring some great publicity too. We must however dig into the detail, and at the moment we cannot, as we do not yet own the stadium.

Keep in mind that this is PHASE 2 work, ownership of the stadium needs to be concluded one way or another, and further due diligence is definitely required. The devil is in the detail.



Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 14:27:01
We need a cantilevered away end so that it can be raised up and Pox fans tipped into the moat directly.

Won't that upset the home owners on Shrivvy Road....   ;)


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 16:37:44
We need a cantilevered away end so that it can be raised up and Pox fans tipped into the moat directly.

Fantastic. Your career as an architect starts here.


Title: Re: The *positive* ground purchase thread.
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, March 6, 2019, 16:39:15
There was and it can be. There's also the issue of finding a suitable site for the cricket club to relocate to if the idea is to completely move them off the County Ground, as opposed to move them within it.

We've a load of currently unused grass at Highworth I'm led to believe..