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Gonna be a thriller.

Is the ground east or west? I've always thought that GMT would be better described as Grimsby Mean Time.

2 -0 win today

Going for a 1-1 today

Today will be a tough game. We could come away with all 3 points or we might lose. I guess I’d be foolish not to consider the draw a possibility too.

How do you think we will get on today Reg?

Today will be a tough game.

We have a terrible record there so today is the day to change this.

3-2 to the Town COYR

Cant believe Wobbly Bob isn't in the pub yet.

Grimsby are very hit and miss but I’m confident we’ll have too much for them and come away with a 2 or 3-1 win

Looks like one of them wet 'n' windy days up norf.  Not going to be the day for high balls.  
Would love a win but think I'd be happy with a point in a dreary 0-0 draw.

He's probably watching the Brothers Grimsby first  :)

:hmmm:
0.1 Swindon Town  ;)

Grimsbys current form is been DWLLLWWDL and their home form this season so far is LDLLLWDWWW.

Against Grimsby we have only 4 wins in the past 13 games, in 22 games at Grimsby we have lost 14 and only won 4 times scoring 21 and conceding 38 times.

Since 1968 our record up on the coast has been LLLLLDLDLLLWLL with only the 1 win in 14 games and that came in 2003.

Their leading scorers are Wes Thomas, Charles Vernam and Elliot Embleton all on 4 goals each. Wes Thomas will no doubt score against us.

They currently sit 7 places below Town in 18th place with 8 less points than us.

They seem very confident on their fishy forum with 26 predicting a home win, 6 a draw and only 4 thinking we will win.

In the words of Reg, too many variables with weather, team selection etc to reliably call this, our record there is frankly terrible in the last 50 years with just the single win.

I genuinely don't know how this will pan out at all today.

2-1 defeat with Anderson scoring a crowd of 3,875 with 207 Town fans there.

Pre match taking of the medicinal waters in The Coliseum Picture Theatre.
There is a slight chill in the air and a refreshing breeze here today.

The Grimsby fish & chips wasn't very good last time.
25% fish / 80% batter.
Must have got the runt of the shoal.

A few of the locals are fur clad 6 footers with beards, tattoos and long braided hair, and that's just the women.

Today is one for Wellens to look into the eyes of each player to see who is up for it and sort any doubters out before they get out on the pitch.
A historic victory up for grabs today, but a point would be very good.

I only hope you know what you're talking about.  Just placed a large bet based solely on your confident prediction.

They're not exactly Cheltenham but still something of a bogey team for us.  I'll be very pleased with a momentum-maintaining draw but I can't see it.

0-2  >:(

Weather good then  :)

Are any of them called Nobby?

I'm afraid to ask!

Was going to walk to the ground along the path by the estuary.
No chance of that.

Saw on the way in that Blundell Park has some proper floodlight pylons poking up into the overcast sky.
Never really noticed that before and its also apparent that Cleethorpes looks a lot better at night.

I have to ask what time did you get up this morning to be there before 10?

Will take a point.

4 league wins on the trot would be marvellous, though.

No Anderson for a while - hamstring. Hopefully Woolery doesn’t break down again in the meantime.

Good indicator of our credentials today. Avoid defeat would be a booster.

Have been staying in London for a few days, so took 6.30 out of Kings Cross, change at Doncaster.
Set alarm for 4am.
All good fun. Sometimes.

Imponderables, which are more my thing, aren't quite the same as variables. Imponderables sprung up v Carlisle at the CG.... these are factors, we can't really see how thye'll impact in advance due to the unusual circumstances.  In the Carlisle case the imponderables caused an unusual scoreline.

We know much more about how this one looks, so a win would be a surprise. The interesting imnponderable is this is Wellens, only second away game, could the style of play he's trying to inculcate actually work and be effective at Blundell Park when so many other decent Town sides have tried and failed?

Luke got 4 wins in a row, not long after Lingy quit, and he got the job.  As we've seen string a few together and you look up. Same happened that season we got to March with a sniff of the PO's having been in trouble when Cooper was sacked.

We had a televised game v Wigan and got stuffed.... it was downhill for Luke and us from then on.

I'll be happy to with a draw.

Grimsby are in a right relegation battle though. and they are playing a team 5th in the form table compared to 15th.

last match the away team beat a team in the playoffs. last match the home team lost to Cheltenham.

interesting that their home form is the exact match to our away form. if you removed the name swindon from the fixture and just looked at it as team A vs team B. Team B winning wouldnt be much of a suprise as you suggest

How about imponderable variables? :D

I think almost every Town fan would be TBH, difficult place to visit at any time, even worse with our awful record up there.

They are pesky blighters that's for sure.

Where are people drinking today?

Coffee

I’m on my sofa. I’ll crack open a bottle of something later.

In the spoons by the station...

Grimsby to win and both teams to score was 5/1. Have that

Don't understand the bit in bold.

Last season was classic Town v Mariners stuff.  They were pretty poor last year, only scored 3 in one home game, you've guessed it.

Between the 2 games they did the double over us, they played 24 games and won 3, 2 of which were v Conference bound Barnet and Chesterfield.

Judging by the official club twitter the wind looks very strong, almost as much as last week.

The video shows them placing a ball on the pitch and the wind blowing it off the pitch.

http://twitter.com/i/status/1073917382916227075

Adver outdoing themselves today with the headline that they are covering Grimsby v Swindon from Meadow Lane.

Ffs

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/17300734.join-shaun-reynolds-for-coverage-of-the-league-two-clash-between-grimsby-town-and-swindon-town-at-meadow-lane-at-blundell-park/

iv never seen blundell park before. looks a bit like the mem, weird that it has red seats in the "main" stand as well.

don't remember any circus tents or cricket pavilions up there.

was a long time ago I went though

Unchanged team, that's good.

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A win today would be fantastic.
I think we can do it
1-0 to Town

Fuck me it's cold up here.

I'll take a point.

Plymouth to Grimsby?

Are you fucking insane!

Yeah i've caught that one a few times. Always a pleasure...

Courtesy of Vic Morgan.

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I've moved back to Wiltshire (need to change my name)
I am insane though.

If we replicate the "Newportonian Wind Strategy" then we may well just clinch it. If grimsby are a hoof it style team then they'll try disrupt play. If we keep it on the deck we can out play the via Doughty & Woolery. Lots of balls crossed in low today from Ian and Knoyle could see us win by the single goal. If they get one however I'm certain they'll just shut up shop.

Come on the Town!

looks very unmem like in yours! i was referring to https://postimg.cc/qtMV6CMZ (https://postimg.cc/qtMV6CMZ) and i should perhaps learn how to upload an image iv been around this forum long enough

;)

Wind not whistling through the Trossachs as badly as expected.

That's not to say that there isn't a strong cross wind though.

Confidently non committal about this one.

Wearing black socks today with the normal red kit.  Grimsby have red socks..

COYR !!!!

Scrappy start by both sides in vlustery conditions.

The ground is like a library, even quieter than the CG.

Jezus what the fuck was Vigs doing there, nearly cost us a goal.

Wind is affecting the game but it seems to be blowing accross the pitch rather than end to end.

The pitch is pretty poor and very slow and the ball keeps bobling about.

Long ball won by Bayo headed down to Doughty just in the box but his shot was soft and easily saved.

Lovely bit of skill from Bayo on the wing nearly got into the box but won a corner.

Corner wasted.

Swindon coping with the game better now and taking control of the game a bit.

There you go

Good interplay between Knoyle and Bayo, nice low cross from Knoyle can't find its man.

Good corner from Taylor to Twine a few yards out can't finish and bounces away from Doughty.

Grimsby penalty!

Edit: Scored. Fuck. We were on top really. Going to be a long afternoon. They'll shut up shop. Can we unpick them and turn it around. An equalizer before HT would help.

1-0 to them, penalty, Vigs got his hand to it but can't stop it. Thomas.

1-1 get the fuck in!

1-1 Taylor free kick.

1-1 Taylor.

Yay

That#s what away days are about. I tell you what these lads know how to respond. Game on. Calmly does it Town. Then take it to them 2nd half. We can do this surely?

Grimsby have taken more control in the last 10, but little in the way of chances.  A couple of easy saves for Vigs.

A good effort from Taylor from distance, which the Grimsby GK batted away.  A little bit of movement on the shot I think.

are we against the wind this half or next?

More next, but the wind is not one end to another, it looks like it is swirling around much more than last week.

Pretty even. Fair scoreline so far.

1-1 about fair. Windy and cold.

As someone has already said, home fans are absolutely silent, quieter than the CG.

Think we are the better team from what I've seen of them.

Very scrappy, wind is clearly having a big impact, ball is swirling all over the shop.  Lots of balls into our defence have fallen short but then others have run out.  Must be a bugger to defend in this, but equally hard to know what weight to put on the ball.

Dunne has been a bit more Dunne than in recent games - they had a chance where he let the man he was tracking run past him, thinking Taylor was going to pick him up when Taylor was about 10 yards off him.

I'd like to think the front three will get more of the ball below head height in the second half.

FGR game abandoned at half time.

Our game could go either way. Hopefully our little bit more quality will swing it our way.

If we can snatch this and results (which are quite favourable) elsewhere stay the same. We will be a point off the play-offs and 5pts from 3rd.

Key HTs elsewhere;

Forest Grn  0 - 0 Stags (Abnd HT)
Exeter Cty  1 - 0 Crewe
Lincoln Cty 3 - 0 Morecambe
Oldham A   3 - 0 Bury
Notts Coun 2 - 1 Trannies
Northants   1 - 0 Saint Evanage
CarlisleUtd  1 - 0 Colchester

Great run and effort by Bayo, good save by the keeper

Great cross by Doughty, good effort by Bayo, great save by the keeper.

Some promising attacking play by town, some decent crosses into the box.  This game is here for the taking.

Ahh fuck 2-1  :cry:

Great  >:(

Twine looks like a boy against men today.  Need to make a change..

Goal against the run of play.

Never a pen

Great save by Vigs, low to his left after a decent effort from Grimsby

Grimsby tails are up now

Come on town, more goals in this

FFS.  Bayo through 1 on 1 and should have scored.  Keeper saves, falls to Dunne and he shanks it.

Fool

😂
It’s the hope that kills you.

I misread that as 'Its the hops that kill you'

It's going to be on us to break them down to get a point

Well tipped over by Vigs from a hopeful shot from 25 yards

Not going to happen is it?

Doesn't look like it. 

I don't think we deserve to lose, but probably don't deserve the win either.  We have been pretty toothless up front, the same as big portions of the season..

Game over. Draw would have been fair reflection on the game but wasn’t to be.

Not read back. Deserved a lot more. Big 3 points dropped.

FT - Boooo

Harsh. We did not deserve to lose that.

Only heard bits while xmas shopping.

Mistake from Vigs for the winner, or harsh given weather?

Hey ho. Sounds like we competed well, so better than playing shit I suppose.

It was a game of nearly moments from us, chalk that one down to toss up on the conditions.

The Hoodoo continues.

After the last few games I have some belief that we will be ok this season.

Let's see if we can get a result against another Bogeyman next week.

Haven't seen a replay but would suggest harsh on Vigs - someone has to mark their only forward rather than let him have a tap in anyway.  It was a bit of weather inspired farce leading up to it as well if I remember it correctly.  Taylor lumped a ball about five yards forward and thirty high, Twine and Dunne confused each other and their player runs forward with the ball  Shame because we probably deserved at least a point from that.

Still 4pts from the POs and 8pts from autos. Today was historically going to be a tough one. Probably deserved a point on measure.

6 of the bottom 7 all picked up points including wins for the bottom two. Bury lost, Colchester lost, Trannies lost.

Twat.

Actually playing well and losing is a pretty bad sign.... you want to be playing badly and winning.. still getting 4 points from Grimsby and Numb, in order to keep the upward momentum going was always hope over expectation.

With Notts and seemingly Macc winning, there'll be a few below us getting a bit of squeaky bum atm.  Numb looked to be on course until late on, and are a form side...  It would be sweet to put them in their place next up,

You going? I need to break my hoodoo, haven't seen us win in nearly five years

I'm not sure you should be allowed to go.

If there's anything there we deserved a point. Gifted a penalty to them and Vigs should've parried out of the attackers path. Bit harsh but small disciplines cost us. I don't think there was an awful lot wrong with the performance. The weather didn't help.

The thing Wellens has in his locker to date is getting the lads to respond (they actually responded in game today). When we've lost under Wellens we've bounced back with a win.

We could probably field a team capable of beating barcelona and we wouldn't beat bloody Grimbeh. I don't think there's cause for concern.

Still 4pts off play offs and 8pts off auto, while 11pts from the Conference Black hole...so we ARE moving in the right direction.

Anything is worth trying v Numb.... maybe 4D as ultimate Jonah in attendance might swing it.

If Wellens can keep us performing at home n the league, you can set these types of outcomes aside.  A real lottery with the weather, pretty good overall performance.  Certainly had a better feel than some earlier season losses might have had.

But it's better than playing badly and losing.

I'd take any kind of winning over any kind of losing any week. We all would, wouldn't we?!

Yes, it actually seems like most of the players now know what their role is meant to be. Even within their limitations. We seem to have a largely settled XI. Defence generally ok/good and CBs learning and developing every game. In fact we must remember that both Knoyle & Ian are developing too. It's a young defence but going in the right way. Midfield while changeable is our most experienced area (Keepers aside) and we seem to have a settled system there. The biggest question mark still lingers over our "striker crisis" which I use loosely. Would we look to move Richards on. I think two will go to bring in suitable replacement. Possibly Richards out & Bayo returned? Harsh on Bayo but we can't really accommodate him and makes sense to bring a perm in (Duffus?). Could be the big decision to move on Dave also. That would enable us chance to look for a serious LB. Someone mentioned one the other day around 24 years old? That could do us, if they slot in alright.

Certainly not concerned about the R word like some. We should be targeting 7th, it's only 4pts away.

This.

Are you Shaun Hodgetts in disguise ?

To give you some sort of context on future outcomes.... next week is half way through, lose as often happens v Numb and we're on 30 points... the norm once the window opens under Power, is for the second half points  haul to be fewer than the first half. 2 reasons for this, 1, loan players get recalled. 2, the one out one in policy doesn't really strengthen the squad  for the attrition ahead on tired bodies.

Comparison at the same stage to other Div 4 seasons, shows that only 83/84, which ended in our lowest ever league position, had we fewer points. That being 29 compared to the present 30

So assuming nowt v Numb and maybe 26 points from the next 23 games, we'd be looking at a 14th/15th place finish, pretty much the mid table slot the season has so far promised.

Of course we've a new D o F, so that might help, but whoever it is, will still have to work within Power's budget.

The way I see it is this.

secure Nelson until end of season.
get Dave fit.
Get lucky/scout a good forward.

do that and we have a playoff spot shout.

If you look at the numbers, it's pretty rare to be able to elevate up the 6 or 7 slots, from about the half way point... of course it can happen, but for us is very unusual, to finish a season strongly. Probably the only example would be 88/89, when like now we were on 30 points after 22, but only losing 4 in the remaining 24, saw us nick the final PO slot.
 
That's the sort of thing required, but that was a side under Macari that was strong, with 2 promotions already in the bag.

Well we're closer to the fucking play-offs and autos than relegation. Sod this, I'm getting my ball and going home  :D

Aargh, should have had a point from that at least.

One of those fine margin games.
Their second looked to come from nothing. Could LV have done better.
Bayo. Big chance missed.
Twine struggled to get into the game. Learning curve.

The consolation curry went down well. The thorough soaking, not so good.

Sorry Reg but you've been spouting "relegation trapdoor" and "FL status at stake" all season, so now you're changing it to mid table. Why so positive? Or just covering your own back as per!  ;) That was my initial call and said something like "I'll take a look at it around game 26..". This was going on form since RW started, I think. Coupled with "should that form (of ultimately WDL) continue we'll be in a mid table battle with the likes of Oldham come Jan".

The trouble is Reg, you should never use past results to determine future ones but at least we can safely say your outlook is now more upward looking than downward. Those rose tints suits you. I think our home record v Cheltenham isn't that bad, so all this negative speak is quite a moot point.

If we have to use past results then taking out the one JPT game v them at home and in the league, we have;

12 Mar 2003   Swindon Town v Cheltenham Town   L   0-3   League Division 2
12 Feb 2008   Swindon Town v Cheltenham Town   W   3-0   League One
03 Mar 2009   Swindon Town v Cheltenham Town   D   2-2   League One
10 Mar 2012   Swindon Town v Cheltenham Town   W   1-0   League Two
10 Mar 2018   Swindon Town v Cheltenham Town   L   0-3   League Two

Lost twice, won twice, drawn once. Not quite the bogey side at home as some seem to be saying. Only a 40% lose rate. I've no idea why you would assume "nowt v Numb" :hmmm:

Because he always assumes we'll lose against everyone?

Ahh but does he?* He cleverly hints at a possible draw, with the chance of a win, that may present itself as a loss. Even then if lose and play well it's still a negative, totally disregarding the building and cohesion of a squad that the manager seems to have so far found some balance too. Yes, no one wants to lose (ahem) but as Batch intimated, I'd rather us lose playing well than lose playing like a team did under Luke Warm.


*Yep, he does.

All I ever do is look at the numbers look at the trends and try and arrive at some sort of conclusions.  Of course the perception with Numb is skewed by the abysmal away record. But even the 2 wins for them at the CG, should be viewed as something it took Oxfoird near on 50 years and 25 games to do.

So you will find that I talked of relegation after a historic run of poor home form in Div 4, dumped us at one point during the game v PV to about 5 points off the drop zone, it would be foolish to ignore that reality, similarly you will find I said that could be sorted by something like 4 wins in a row, we managed 3 and got the gap, which we now enjoy.   However that's all we've done, lifted the immediate drop threat and got a nice mid table perch.... you can see from the stats that despite our nice little run this is still the second worst 22 game in Div 4 season, it would likewise be foolish to ignore that.

The worst was 83/84, with 29 points, the season we achieved our lowest ever finish, since the formation oif Div 4 in 58.

As a long time lurker, I personally think you talk a lot of sense and get an awful lot of unnecessary flack. It's bothered me for awhile. My advice is to ignore the naysayers and keep calling it as you see it. Over and out

That was aimed at Reg by the way

Welcome to the forum Regs' brother

That’s the issue though. Reg doesn’t call it...

I have always had a lot of time for Reg & his opinions on football. He’s probably forgotten more than most people will ever know.

Add in the fact we are historically shit I can understand the negative outlook.
However, Reg appears so desperate to not be proved wrong he never commits to an opinion or any sort of prediction.

I think that’s what irks people.
If you think we’re in a relegation battle then just say it. Rather than talk about how the relegation battle in the southern league in 1879 was affected by the high pollen level in March

Of course, I could be right in my summation or completely wrong

I think Reg speaks the most sense on here, well, regarding the football anyway.

I get he's not everyone's cup of tea, but the Reg bashing by being a fake Reg is getting dull now. He's not going to be committal , give it up ;)

Thanks Berni for filling in :) I had my cousin arrive unexpectedly so still watched it but was unable to any comments/match action.

Any bloke who's got Zappa and Beefheart stood outside my old local as their avatar is alright by me  :pint:

Plowmans brother.....

A rare week off for a certain Mr Taylor! You must be feeling festive Rob...

Still tedious & wrong

At least he's consistent!

He did ok.  You can see why Managers pick him based on his quick talk to pretty much every player after he scored.  He is still an ineffective holding midfielder but you show horn him in due to his experience and set pieces in those conditions.

LV did well to get a hand to the penalty but for the 3rd league game in a row, the ball has hit his hand(s) and still gone in. How is that possible? I'm starting to get this irritated feeling with Vigs, he's obviously very capable and his distribution is unreal for a 4th tier goalie it's just... I swear he can't really save anything? I don't feel confident when I know a shot is coming.

I'm losing confidence in vigs as well.

There seems to be a lot of borderline cases where it's debatable whether or not he could have done better. Almost a weekly occurrence, it seems.

A League Two Claudio Bravo?

That a tad unfair, he has made a fair few very good saves this season. But it is undeniable there have been a fair few "could have done better there" moments. At least, to the untrained eye.

I don't think Vigs has been especially bad this season, all keepers make those "he'll be disappointed with that" type of error.

But he hasn't been especially good, you expect a good keeper to have the odd game where you can remember a great save which probably got you the points.

We've had better keepers than Vigs who've thrown some in at Blundell Park..... in fact only 2 Town custodians have claimed a clean sheet there, Nicky Hammond in 92 and Sammy Burton in 61. Nicky's got a nice 0-0 draw and Sammy's a 1-0 win courtesy of a Ralph Hunt goal

He's always struck me as a keeper who thrives on being busy. If shots are flying in from all angles, he'll keep them out. If there's just the odd one or two, he'll let them in. He's a bit of an oddity, and probably gets bored, but that's no excuse. Although his handling of crosses has improved, I agree that he's gone downhill overall, and needs to step up.

The good news is that we have a credible number 2. McCormick started well - and it's easy enough for him at the CG with about 100 away fans tucked away down the side of the pitch - but I was concerned that the Exeter game really seemed to get to him and throw him off track. Frankly, if he can't cope with stick from the stands, he's got to stop playing.

Yep. I came to this conclusion a couple of weeks ago. He has too many ‘nearly’ saves for it to be a coincidence

I have been shouted down several times in the past about my lack of confidence with Vigs in goal.

No matter what you think of what he has done I think McCormick is a far better keeper all round than Vigs.

WTF!!!!!!

You realise thrown some in is a metaphor for keeper error....  I'm sure you'd agree that Fraser Digby was a better keeper than Vigs.... look at this one, after we've scored one of the great STFC goals, Fraser's error is something straight out of the Vigs school. As I said they all do it and always have done,

http://www.swindon-town-fc.co.uk/MatchCentre.asp?MatchID=19930125

Whereas I would happily see McCormick picked for the next 1 or 2, I would definitely revert to Vigs for Mansfield. Partly because McCormick might struggle in front of that big home end, but mainly because Vigs would be bang up for it.

In fairness to Brown, one of the few things that he got right was keepers. He dropped Vigs at the right time, but brought him back for the Mansfield game, safe in the knowledge that he would be pumped up against that filthy gobshite Flitcroft. He was excellent.

It's a sign of what he's capable of when he's fully focused. That's one for Wellens / Mildenhall to work on.

So is Blundell Park east of, west of, or ON the Greenwich Meridian?

West

West of it by about 100m.

I’m in total agreement

McCormick doesn't suit the way we want to play though, he's not very good with his feet, he's slow to distribute and his go to is the long punt which again isn't the way we now play. Against Woking it was noticeable how much he slowed things down, hoofed it long to Pryce and at 35 he isn't going to improve in any of those areas. Also Saturday is probably the only point Vigs has actually cost us a point this season, if you factor in Crawley and Forest Green he was outstanding and won us a couple of points.

I have seen every game (bar the Woking one) he has played for us and I honestly think his distribution is way better than Vigs, no he doesn't kick it as quickly as Vigs but it almost always finds its man.

He certainly comes out to claim crosses better and his shot stopping is at least as good as Vigs.

He kicks it long and straight yes but there's only so much you can do with a high ball even if it find it's man. We are all about ball on the deck now. Against Woking his kicking was terrible, almost shanked one towards goal in the first half, he's also pretty small for a keeper so some saves taller keepers make he physically couldn't get to.

He is still 6 foot which isn't exactly short.

I do think he is a far better keeper than Vigs though, IMO.

So far this season when LMc has been between the sticks we've gained 1.57 points a game on average... with Vigs in there we've averaged 1.46 a game.

If one or the other played the rest of the campaign and maintained their average we'd get a further 38 points with LMc in there and 35 with Vigs.

Not a whole lot of difference.... however either way we'd be nicely mid table, with LMc in,roughly the same as last season's 9th with Vigs 11th.

3 or 4 inches in height is probably same again in reach though so a fair amount and Vigs is far more agile. Maybe McCormick was once but I don't think he is now, he's coming towards the end of his career. He was released by Plymouth and they currently can't even find a half competent keeper this year but their fans don't think releasing him was a mistake.
It's all about the 'sweeper keeper' now and that's far more Vigs than it is McCormick IMO.

This,  100%,  Very little confidence in Vigs these days,  he maybe a shot stopper but can think of three cases recently where hes parried a ball when he should be pushing the ball out of play, each occasion picked up with ease by the opposition costing us a goal in each case.

Think that's fair enough.

But I suspect the issue will be resolved in January and we'll have to play McCormick ( which I'll never want to happen).

What does seem clear is that Vigs has less control over his area out of the two - this was evidenced ina  recent game when Taylor cleared a ball for a corner that was heading to Vigs and Vigs had clearly called for it (Taylor turned around and said sorry straight away).  Again, this weekend, he sort of came for a ball, realised he wasn't going to get it and just stood there while Nelson was awaiting a belting and almost handled it again.  The trust doesn't seem to be there and it can create confusion.  I don't think he is a bad keeper, just a developing one.  He is by no means as risky as the planks we had between the sticks last year after his strop/Flitcroft messing him about (whichever one is more accurate).  I don't think it is anywhere near as big a problem as the defending we had in the first 10 or so games.

I really don’t understand all the hoo-hah. We’re so fortunate to have 2 such good keepers in L2.

It’d be Vigs every time for me, though. But the days where the team is announced and the first choice keeper is out which is followed by the dreaded feeling of having a bozo second string is a thing of the past.