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Well, yet another new era to look forward to. Here’s hoping this is more successfull than the last 4!

I am looking forward to this, hopefully we get the new manager bounce that most other clubs seem to get, and then we can build on it.

Fancy us to win 3.1. Goals from Adebayo x 2 and Dunne. Attendance of 6158 with 402 from Carlisle.

Come on Town!!

4-2

Well win easily.   But it won’t be enough

Won’t be enough for what?

It doesn’t seem as if Wellens will carry on with Brown’s ‘tactic’ of hoofing it up to our non existent hold up strikers!

We looked so much better keeping it on the ground, albeit more likely for a comical cock up.

As long as I’m not bored shitless and there’s signs of improvement I’ll be OK with it.

To hell with Reg’s pragmatism!

Started the thread a day early. Amateurish.

0-1

1-1 with a meltdown in some quarters that Wellens is as bad as brown.

Fancy a 2-1 to the Town - Upwards and Onwards.

Managed to wangle a ticket for the Town End today. My 1st home game in over a year.

Probably a bit too early to judge if Wellens will have much influence on todays game.

Carlisle are hard to beat 0-1 defeat in front of 5,894 with 154 wannabe jocks there.

One thing that's irking me (slightly) across the Town social media platforms is the struggle to spell 'Richie' correctly.

'Richie, it's Richie'

The spirit of nevillew lives on!

Swindon Town 2-1 Carlisle United

I assume it's being spelt Ritchie then?

Correct.

Not a surprise. A lot struggle to spell "have" correctly......should of paid more attention at school.

 :doh:

https://grammarist.com/usage/should-have-shouldve-or-should-of/

 :D

Yeah, I know the correct usage.......I was trying to be funny.
Should of known better, eh?

 At least it's not Wellens getting it wrong.... when Brown first appeared on the scene, I raised doubts about him due to calling Div 4, Div 2, repeatedly, because it made him sound like SRK.

 Had today been Brown's game it would have been huge, as he owned the historic lack of winning a Div 4 home game record.

 Now though, it's of less importance, insofar as Wellens will get a couple of games grace, to see if he can get us scoring a few goals, without sacrificing the not so bad defending.

 A pools punter would probably stick this down as a draw.

What's your prediction Reg?

No idea... too many imponderables. 

we will lose 1.2 and go on to be relegated on the last game of the season resulting in a huge crowd disturbance caused by all those naughty thugs that voted to leave the EU :pint:

‘New manager bounce today’ 2-0 win.

the same as all of us. no one obviously knows but if you had to choose. win, lose, draw?

1-0 Town

Is this on Ifollow today for UK folks?

You never know... but you can get a feel for things based on circumstances, which is why for this game I've no idea.  Firstly we don't know the injury situation.... last Sat we were without at least 5, who a gaffer may wish to pick.  Some on here are implying these are tactical injuries..... lads who don't fancy it.  Personally I have my doubts, but this is STFC so could be possible.  Secondly, how will the players react to Wellens and Hunt coming in.... Matty Taylor obviously has a key role to play in this... was he considered for the job?  Did he want the job?

Wellens is already saying, after sitting down with Hunt, who remember is Power's boy, and Matty, that he needs an experienced head in to help. Good luck with that Rich.... perhaps you should have said no to Hunt.  Possibly, though he's trying to force Power's hand into his pocket.

Thirdly, how will the Sheridan/Wellens good buddy/mentor relationship impact on the game....they'll obviously know each others way of approaching the game?

Fourthly... will all of this change fuck with heads of the players.... I wouldn't have this season's struggles down to lack of effort, but rather lack of ability..... but I could be wrong, maybe Wellens will have a magic wand, and Keshi will suddenly go on a scoring run, Jermaine, after getting in the right positions, will stop miskicking then falling over. Perhaps Kyle will get an assist and Martin Smith go to the top of pass completion stats.

And speaking of squad head fucks... I'm assuming that LMc will be back in today.

Did Vigs even get a call-up this time?  This would suggest he didn't:

https://us.soccerway.com/teams/chile/chile/424/

Just have a fucking guess Reg.

I'm going with 2-0 to us.

There you go...easy...  8) ;)

Win 2-1

1-1 can't see how bellends can change our goal drought. Own goal for the towns finish.
I listened to the managers interview on wilts radio, he said his time at Oldham was blighted by loan players returning to their club with only youths to replace them. He may get a deja vu in January.

for the last few home league games it seems like we haven't scored first and found no way to get through resorting to desperate passing and shooting.

if we can get that early goal and settle down quick it will make all the difference hence why I went for the 2-0.

be a lovely feeling to hold out a lead with no drama!

We haven't got the opener in any league game at the CG this season.... hence the historic lack of win record for Div 4.  Had Brown still been with us, then he'd have needed to turn that around starting today. Wellens will get a couple of games to sort this, but if the trend continues then we're in all sorts of trouble... you don't win too many games from behind.

thought as much from the games id been to, didnt know it was the whole season.

too many imponderables to see whether we would have been in all sorts of trouble though  8) you can't just double the first half results and say its going to happen in the 2nd half.

So an opener in the league at the CG is due any time then? Today seems like a good enough day for it. Obvious forewarning; how you start a match doesn't lead to how you finish one.

Too many imponderables to have a guess at three defined outcomes of W, L, D but not enough imponderables to forecast our position, points, goals, financial situation (and so on) come seasons end?  :hmmm:

https://twitter.com/Official_STFC/status/1063793652609269760

For those not on tweety bird;

The New Gaffer's First Starting XI:

Vigouroux, Woolfenden, Nelson, Conroy, McGlashan, Dunne, Taylor, Alzate, Iandolo, Anderson, Adebayo.

#STFC 🔴

https://twitter.com/Official_STFC/status/1063793656480575489

On the bench:

McCormick (GK), Lancashire, Knoyle, McCourt, Smith, Twine, Richards.

#STFC 🔴

hmmm. is what it is I suppose. really need some updates on toumani, doughty and woolery. such a big 3 to keep missing

That is an incredible amount of time & effort to avoid having to predict the outcome of a 4th Division football match. Listing the imponderables that every other supporter is faced with when guessing who they think will win. Try having a go before the event for once, let the shackles off, you might enjoy it!

With the A team in from the start,going for comfortable 3-1 win.

At least people can't have the conspiracy that they'd fallen out with PB now.

Many have been calling for most of the "culpable three", old heads to be dropped. RW has done that in dropping Lancs and Richards. Taylor does work well in a more "winged" position, with protection. Does Iandolo fully give that? Not yet but if they play slightly more fixed, we do offer at least two able bodies down the left and we are strong going forward like that. Iandolo is almost playing a LB Sweeper to tidy up after Taylor. At least they can switch around if Taylor starts to blow a bit. That only works though when Iandolo gets back, of which he hasn't quite developed in his football brain yet.

Nice to see an attacking line up. Think we'll concede but it'll be a case of we can score more than you. Hence my earlier 4-2 prediction.

Is that a 352 or 343 or something completely different.

Only surprised that Knoyle is on the bench. Think he'll be itching to get on. I'm sure Twine would love 20mins also, to prove to RW he can do what he did in his last match. Score.

I'd say 3-5-2 changeable into 3-4-3 if Alzate pushes up.

442 I reckon.

I love that we can't even figure out the formation!  Poor old Reg and his imponderables has another one to contend with.

I wanted to think it was 3-5-2, but the more I think it could be a 4-4-2 with Woolfenden at right back.

There is nothing to support my optimisim today, but I'm going for a 3-1 win.

Forgot Woolf can play RB
Think you might be right with 442.
Which way round do you think Taylor and Iandolo

3 5 2, you'd play knoyle in a 442

I’d play Knoyle in a 352 too

I'd be inclined to play Taylor forward.

Just having one more pint before I plod to the ground. Might help  :)

I think Iandolo has a better cross on him, from open play, so I'd have him in front if we are talking of a 4-4-2.  Taylor has the better chance at set pieces, he can provide support down the left and we have two options for getting balls in.

Of course, if we play with 3 at the back, then Iandolo would be in central midfield, so who knows.

Be interesting to see how today goes. Always takes time to get to a new managers tactics but as long as we play positive football I’ll be happy

I can confirm we are playing 0-0-11  all on the left wing.

no wait, that's the hand shake

they've turned us to attack the te first

looks 3-5-2 to me

wellens White trainers are as bright as those advertising boards we had

Taylor looks to be playing the Dave holding role

More the Hoddle sweeper role to me or Regista I suppose

could be. we'll agree on deep Central

I hate it when PV attends matches.  :cry:

There's goals in us.

I'm quoting this as evidence for the inevitable 0-0 inquest

Better than the Mansfield game

right so...

we've got into some promising positions, but nobody in the right place at the right time to convert them

iandolo and mcGlashen are playing as wing backs and are hugging the touchlines when we attack

Taylor is deep, Central in front of the back 3 and we are indeed trying to play the ball through him a lot

Anderson is playing off adebayo, Alzate and Dunne  behind.

Carlisle haven't had as much of the attack as us, bit they aren't without threat

anyway, back to the game

movement on the bench.. sub already? not noticed injuries

odd. something happened on bench, like they got word of somethig. not a normal sub. is his Mrs preggers or anything?

Definitely something about a baby, Dunne’s parents were sat in front of me and they’ve left too.

Just checked on twitter and he had a child on the 2 November. Hope all is ok.

Worse corner routine ever

They had a baby a few weeks ago.  I hope it's ok?  :(

ditto above.

(dont tell reg..the live table puts us nearer the drop than playoffs)

Nelson injured. .. on his feet now. phew

oh no..

hope it's nothing to do with that

oh. 0-1.

Same old

We've lost our way since Dunne went off.  Adebayo once again offering very little.

Wellens Out

Sounds like things were tolerable prior to the goal too.

Ugh.

Harsh to be behind.

Definitely looking busier up front, we're just not quite clicking. I feel as though we can still get a point or 3, not something I'd likely have said under Brown.

Alzate having a mare today doesn't help

Sat near the dugouts, Wellens said that Dunne’s baby has been taken ill. Obviously hope it’s nothing too bad.

We've looked decent on patches, Taylor pinging the ball out to the wing backs is working well. One of Mcglashens better games so far.

Main problem is up top, Adebayo is offering nothing. Can't hold the ball up, first touch isn't great, doesnt win headers. Weak link unfortunately!

Richards might be better as we seem to be getting the ball into the box a bit more.

I've seen worse so far this season.

Have to wait for that home league opener then! I'm right in seeing that Carlisle only managed to name six on the bench?

Plenty in this, harsh to be behind. Can see us turning it over to 2-1 but seemed to slump a bit after Dunne went off. Hope all is alright with personal matters. That's more important than any 3pts.  :(

Ummm, the commentators are awful.

What can we take from the first half....

Iandolo cannot defend for toffee, useless, no idea where he is supposed to be.

McGlashan is now officially worse than Ricky Shakes - edit: end product/crossing wise.

Taylor is useless at the role he is playing.  He offers no actual protection and is dropping so deep we have four central defenders.  He still has the ability on the ball, but for me it is not in that position.

Adebayo can't hold the ball.

Conroy and Woolfenden look ok on the ball, the latter being our most dangerous forward threat when overlapping in the first 20 minutes.

Iandolo should have scored.

Wellens has a job on his hands to figure out how to get a formation out of the squad.  We are marginally the better team, but shape is all over the place  - similar to the past few weeks really.  Could easily still go on and win it, very little between the teams and Carlisle looked beatable when they were sat back in the first 20 minute period.  If they drop again, we probably should get one or two chances.

The Taylor connundrum.

I wonder, if we insist on playing this way, whether you drop him in between Nelson and Woofenden, with Conroy dropping out?  A true sweeper who we expect to be good on the ball and that is it.  Some of his passing has been good to the wide players, it's just that he has no legs for midfield and is too deep.

Luckily they are rare! Been a lot better to watch, Taylor looks good in the holding role. Bayo and Iandolo both poor so far.

Carlisle offer no threat yet lead!

Gerrard is fatter than me.

What a way to start the 2nd half...

0 - 2  :doh:

oh FFS

Looked half asleep

No game changers on that bench either

Nobody capable of putting the ball in the back of the net for us has been the difference in the two teams.  Wellens is becoming increasingly frustrated with Adebayo.

well its looks like more of the same no matter who's our manager. Start looking at those 2 clubs at the bottom they're our main rivals.

It’s the hope that kills you.

dear lord

Ffs 3-0

0 - 3 FFS.

I don’t think this experiment is going to work.

Fucking hell, PB.

From one manager to the next, eh!?

This half has been utterly disgraceful and that's on the players.

Fucking embarrassing.

  Well, not today anyway.

Absolute dogshit. Too many players who either aren't interested, aren't good enough or both.

Looks like the new manager bounce has morphed into a dead dog bounce :headhurts: :headhurts: :headhurts:

Great recruitment power. :twat:

That's it for me, I was going to give him a chance but he's another LP shite appointment, Bellends out! Get a proper manager in before the Jan transfer window. It was an uninspired choice who only fitted the bill by having a relegation on his CV.Sorry but I don't want STFC to be his second.

Back in the pub, what a load of gutless shite

It's his first game you fucking knob!

well said ken.

You really are a plum.

Less than an hour of football has been played with him in charge you fucking tosspot

you can't write a manager off after 6 GA

oh offs 4-0

No, it's not well said. He's an idiot, as is anybody that agrees with him.

Good lord.

So this is acceptable to you then ?.  Bloke pays his money,  he's entitled to his opinion.

4-0

0 - 4

We're we saying it couldn't get worse than PB? First half didn't deserve to be down 0 - 1 but we've bloody collapsed. This is more on the players though right now. They should've been galvanised and showing the manager that they are up for it. What the fuck is wrong here? Seemingly a decent enough squad (yes that old chestnut) but it just isn't happening.

RW has his work cut out for sure and at least we'll see what he's made of.

Did I say it was acceptable? IT IS THE MANAGER'S 1ST FUCKING GAME. LITERALLY.

And, yes, he is entitled to his opinion. So am I. And my opinion is that he's a fucking idiot.

At least he attends the games.

manager argument aside, this half is woeful. woeful.

And that makes him any less of an idiot how, exactly?

like I said well said ken.

It is. That 2nd of their's just seem to knock the stuffing out of us.

I might be clutching at straws here, but I wonder if Dunne's problems have gotten to them.

 :sherlock:
In defence of FH, it'd be fucking difficult to attend regularly from his location.

0-4, fucking disgrace. First game or not is irrelevant. Anyone who cannot see what a complete shambles our club has become needs to give their head a wobble. Up until today I thought we were to good to go down, now I’m not so sure. The thought of STFC in the conference takes a step near reality.

I'd say the way we are playing, that makes him even more of an idiot

The Cgh is very busy  :pint:

And your point is? what give him another 6 defeats to find out he's shite,Matty T only got 1 game in charge and we lost that 3-0. New balls please, I didn't want Bellends, nothing about him said better than PB. So I look forward to Monday's sacking and a fresh search.We've been changing managers like the wind since LP's been at the club why stop now. I don't want to  see STFC relegated. Thanks.

You've no right to call someone a fucking idiot just because you don't agree with them. As I said, he's turned up,  he's paid his money, he's entitled to his opinion without getting verbal abuse from you.

It’s only one game for the manager, nearly 20 games for the players.

Not sure what we were expecting from the man who relegated Oldham in his only other job.

You do know where Flash aka Bangkok red lives dont you?  I live in Chippenham and often dont manage to get to games. Its a little more difficult for FH.
 

It’s lucky we didn’t hire a manager with a terrible win to lose ratio.  Or worse still one with a record of delivering relegation.  Wait this is power making decisions.  Conference here we come.  As long as he can get the Eady money he won’t care.

4-0 home defeat, looks like doesn't well end has lost the dressing room.

I fucking well do. People are allowed to have opinions, remember?

Kinnell. The performances on here today are worse than those on the pitch. Well done.

He fucking well does have the right,He's an idiot as well so we both have the right.Keep going Flash.

Any positives?

First time I’ve ever left a game this early. As soon as that 3rd went in I was off.

The players have no heart, no grit, no bollocks. I hope to God there’s 2 worse teams than us.

We looked OK until Dunne went off.

Yes, of course I know where he lives. I stand by what I have already said twice,  the guy turns up,  
puts his money into the club, hes entitled to comment on what he sees/feels. Where is the problem with that ?.

It sounds like after half time we just folded. I really hope the news about Dunne’s child isn’t bad.

It’s almost full time we might keep it below 6

Tbh TGR there does seem to be enough shit below us. Only Crewe and Cheltenham winning out of the bottom eight. Cheltenham are playing Notts County so they've been dragged into a battle which will include them, Numb and Macc. Possibly Grimsby.

We'll likely not go down purely because others are shitter than us. I'll settle for mid table mediocrity (or even 10th) and then have a good stab at it next season. First time I've ever written us off before Christmas. Still, stranger things have happened.

My second game this season. First 10 minutes we looked good, then started to wain, they scored and we went to shit. We need some steel and winners.

Morecambe winning!

How could we have a new manager/dead dog/dead cat bounce when we hadn't reached rock bottom?
Now we van look forward to the bounce next week. Hope this helps :-)

I think we need to give Wellens more than 1 game until we judge him. Has he tried to change things too early? He’s only been in charge for days and it’s going to take a while to get his ideas across.

A 4-0 home defeat is clearly catastrophic but please one swallow doesn’t make a summer.

There seems to be about 4 maybe 5 shitter teams than us in the division which could be our only buffer! Off for a pint. :pint:

Notts County being one!

As much as we have been awful in this 2nd half, it's flattering for Carlisle. I think they've had 4-5 shots all game?

Give him more time Fuck that, he's lost the dressingroom within 4 days. Wellens out. 4-0 defeat at home in your first game if we carry on like that then in 6 matches you will all want him gone.

True but some would just interpret that as them being pretty clinical. 4/5/6 shots - 4 goals. It's a buggar of a result. Post match interview will be interesting.

The Dunne substition seems to have been the catalyst for our collapse today.

Can't blame Wellens for today, as he's picking up the pieces others have left behind.  However there is one common denominator in our demise and that is Lee Power. We now sit in 18th place in League 2 closer to the relegation places than the play-offs.

Not a lot to say other than we are worryingly bad and look like relegation fodder currently.

Don't think you can blame Wellens, the team are not winners.

Oh, not been keeping up with things, that's a big kick in the bollocks

Was disappointed in Adebayo today. He looked so good earlier in the season but was very poor today. Not the only poor player today, but I had high hopes for that guy.

I'm sure BBC Wilts are trolling us. Pet Shop Boys - West End Girls playing just before Post-Match.

#...Sometimes you're better off dead,
There's a gun in your hand it's pointing at your head.
You think you're mad, too unstable,
Kicking in chairs and knocking down tables.
In a restaurant in a West end town...#

FT 0 - 4

Let me start by saying Red Ken is clearly just a cunt.

Now, moving on, that was terrible and I will say it was Wellens' fault, which doesn't seem to be in the in vogue response.  That formation didn't work and the two at wing back exposed us - both the 2nd and 3rd goals are on McGlashan being beaten/struggling with the ball being played into the full back position.  First one he lost the player completely who headed it back, the 2nd he got himself in a panic and ends up handballing.  Iandolo was just as bad at defending, got luckier though as they didn't really try to expose him as much.

Taylor, for all his nice touches is not a midfielder, played way too deep and did nothing to provide cover.  Put some decent balls in at times, but he can't play there.

Adebayo cannot play central, I think today showed why Brown kept moving him out wide left and Anderson doesn't have a position in a team that I can figure out.  So we had nothing upfront to hold possession or create question marks in their defence.

In my mind, we have some talent in the team, we have more than a handful of players, but I cannot put a team down on paper that looks like it would work without having some serious weaknesses.  Wellens tried something today and it had more problems than positives, so I do blame him.  Especially not changing it earlier.  Their second goal was the wake-up call - exposed the weakness at wing back and the issue with playing Taylor at central midfield in front of three central defenders.  The ball into our box was easy to defend, the knock down should not have found a free player 18 yards out.

This assessment is spot on.

I think people would be more inclined to see your point of view if it was based on fact. There is no way you can prove he's lost the dressing room and it's incredibly unlikely after 4 days.

No one is happy about the result but you're not doing yourself any favours by spouting off rubbish that can't in any way, shape or form by justified.

I haven't seen a players in adebayo for months. which is worrying because I didn't see a player in Richards and cried out for adebayo to replace him.

Wellens has seen it all from this match. it's the next few weeks we need to see him right it.

Let me start by saying Red Ken is clearly just a cunt.
I know SRK and I can confirm he's a massive cunt!

Not read back as watched that shit till 4 nil then bailed.
Started brighter with a few crosses but no-one in the box, thought they were lucky to get the first.
WTF was said in the dressing room at half time clearly failed for us. Inept piss poor defending
Absolute bollox.

Don't normally agree with the doomsayers on here but non league could well beckon

It probably doesn't help your mental health to have to pay to watch that shit.

This shit storm belongs to Brown. It’s his unbalanced recruitment that has caused this mess.

It’s difficult to make a coherent team out of this squad.

I think Brown has destroyed the teams confidence, left when the fourth went in, worrying times

Just a thought but if only season ticket holders turned up at our next home game, would LP get the message and fork off, taking Bellends and his non-league assistant with him? Yes I know we wouldn't have a club anymore but this is a death by 1000 cuts.LP must deliberately appoint the worst manager he can find as the plan is non league footy. If we beat the drop this year it will be because the 2 teams currently in the drop spot loose every game to the end of the season.

:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :clap:

Predictable demise with a novice manager taking over a largely inexperienced and weak team. Wellens offered nothing in his post match interview other than fear! He’d previously said he might need some help from an older head. Phil Brown’s available.....

Seems the best we can hope for now is 6 weeks of heavy snow and frost, as many postponements as possible,  get to the transfer window and start again - literally.

Agree with a couple of the posts that Brown has left us with an unbalanced squad, but we wouldn’t have been beaten 4-0 against an average Carlisle side if Brown was still in charge today. That’s not to say that I think a change wasn’t necessary, but it is to say that the new manager had tried to make some interesting changes during just 2 days of training - it was bound not to end well.

This result could end up being a positive one.

It laid bare the inadequacies in the squad far more than an unconvincing 1-0 would have. I used to have the opinion the players were good enough but not set up properly.

Now, I can see more than a few just aren’t up to the task.

Wellens' interview basically said what everybody should realise already... he just doesn't know the squad yet.

100% this.

We do not have the players to play any type of system at all and people like Anderson just do not fit into any sort of formation.

442 - no width or forwards
532 - no forwards or wing backs
433 - no focal point up front

We have one winger. How many teams go into a season with one winger?

Why make so many changes if he doesn’t know the squad? Worrying.

Arsenal?

Have to hand it to Taylor right now. He spoke much more like a manager in absorbing the post match. Came across really well and spoke confidently regarding the situation. Wellens, sounded like a frightened rabbit.

Hmmm, we live in interesting times  :hmmm:

And he is shit

He doesn't know what he's doing, a very bad appointment.STFC are heading for the cliff edge. We're doomed I tell ya.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but hasn’t he only made the one change today from a winning team last week?

Wellens stated post match that there isn’t a single wing back at the club - then why play that formation for fuck sake. Yes, the squad is unbalanced but we have the personnel to set up in formations other than 3-5-2.

I’m struggling to recall a more ineffective winger than McGlashan in recent years. I disagree with those who say he is a typical lower league winger, as even they produce something out of nothing once in a while - McGlashan does not.

Fair play to the crowd for not properly turning on the players - most other clubs supporters would be far less forgiving.

More the formation and positions than the personnel....

Is that a Cliff Edge or a Cliffendge?

You can't expect Wellens to do anything in a week. And I say that as someone who doesn't think its a great appointment.

First half you could see what he was trying to do. And it worked for a bit. Good pressing. Got in behind, but same old story - no shots from it. Then Iandolo makes a mistake, they score. We have a chance to equalise from a free kick, Iandolo screws wide from about 5 yards. But at least he was better than Alzate.

Second half, early GOAL POWERED IN AFTER A HEADED KNOCK BACK,  kills the game. A FREE KICK AND 1 more follow. All good finishes too. And we are as bad as we have ever been.

Only thing I would say is Welllens could have changed it a bit earlier.

These are worrying times. A team that can concede but can't score is headed 1 way. January will have to be a blinder, but who are we going to attract when so lowley. I fear we will be banking on a lucky loan or Wellens to call in a favour to get us out of this mess.

These are worrying times indeed.

January is going to be massive for this season.

We need two forwards one of those being a target man and send Adebayo back to Fulham.
Two wingers
A CB and LB

Once Doughty and Dave are back fit we should be okay in midfield

We need a whole new team.
We won’t get that in January.

That was as bad a 45 minutes as I've seen at the CG for quite a while. Adebayo should be fucked off back to Fulham, he just isn't good enough.
Think Wellens should've learned a lot from today, at least I hope he does...

Why is it being suggested that Power want non-league football? What would he get out of that? As for Wellans. Got to give him a chance,he only met the players a couple days ago.

Agreed. That's definitely my way of looking at things.

I wouldn't go that far, but there are new faces needed.

My worry is Wellens has probably identified that Taylor isn't much cop at left back with nobody in front of him, but if he thinks sticking him in the middle is an option then he's in for more shocks than today.  When Taylor joined us last season it was clear he couldn't do that job at all well.

It's also a bit odd that he went for McGlashan over Knoyle.

He's got to work out a formation he wants us to play and fit the best eleven he can into that, then wait until January to sort out the positions that will not be adequately filled.  Brown clearly didn't have much of a plan, or he shot his load on Dave and Doughty and lost the plot, because he's left a team all over the shop.  He spent half a season trying to work out how to put a team together, and failed by and large.  Wellens has to almost ignore the players he has, pick a formation, stick with it and don't change much.  We probably have to watch games with our hands over our eyes until the transfer window.

I thought McGlashan did OK today, although Knoyle might have done better. There was a lot of promise from the overlaps with him and Wolfie.

And then it all just turned to shite.

McGlashan is dogshite, and was. Completely useless

This was my view too. Knoyle is a far better player and more suited to that position.

 Firstly... I think Wellens gets this as a free shot, although we do have more of an answer to some of the imponderables which made it difficult to get a feel for today.

But one thing is clear we need to dust down the   (https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTILbm2YWgE3l2YI4YSThYICJvYffVedvg2asyqgKzr5SHNsy-a)

Of the imponderables.... firstly the injuries seem genuine, those that had them down as tactical look to be wrong. Secondly, the players look to have reacted badly to Wellens/Hunt..... hardly surprising after what he said about approach, which is completely at odds with the requirements of a relegation battle.  Thirdly, Sheridan would know this and so just set up for a basic Div 4 style, to be competent and that should be enough. Fourthly...the whole week seems to have fucked the players heads.

Notts v Numb, a draw would have been handy, but Notts are now well in the shit. 

Certainly this would be the most damaging performance for a new manager in our history...

A bit harsh I thought on first reading - "I hope he dies...."????   Give the guy a fucking chance I thought, or at least just sack him.

And then I re-read! :( :D :D :( 8)

I need new reading glasses, clearly!!!!

But my eyesight was good enough today to see that McGlashan is shit - truly shit, Adebayo needs to go back to Fulham ASAP given his inability to control a ball, head a ball, pass a ball, tackle or shoot (though he is good a falling over) and as for "Captain Fantastic Anderson", he can fuck off anywhere so long as it isn't in a Swindon shirt....

I have previously said that mcGlashen was the new Ricky Shakes.

if like to put it on record that I'm truly sorry Ricky.

As I posted earlier, Jermaine's work off the ball is very good, he gets positions, it just falls down, like him when it comes to the kicking the ball bit. That's Div 4 for you.

Good for 10 minutes then shite. We're in a dogfight no question.

An embarrassing result for us, no question. This is about as low as I remember us being. Thanks Lee Power. What ever you are doing just isn't working.

What’s our heaviest ever home defeat at this level?

Last season's 0-5 v Luton..... who were at least quite good.

similar game in many respects,  looked good first half v Luton.

but yeah, Carlisle aren't Luton

Looked OK for first 30 or so minutes but never in any danger of scoring then just fell apart completely. And embarrassingly. At least Wellens should now realise the scale of the task he has on his hands. Pleased he brought Twine on up front rather than Richards, may as well at least have a look at the young lad. But a bit puzzled why he waited until we were 4-0 down to switch to 4 at the back. And even more baffled to then hear him on the radio on the way home say we don't have genuine wing backs - so why play 3-5-2 at all in that case? In terms of the "why didn't he play x instead of y", will cut him some slack on that as he basically just went with the team that won last week, doesn't know the players so got to start somewhere I guess, hopefully he'll have learned a lot more about them today and will again next week to start making the changes that need making.

On a much more serious note, might be putting two and two together but Dunne being subbed off due to bad family news and sprinting down the tunnel, hasn't his missus recently had a baby? Thoughts with him and his family, from all of us I would hope.

Wow. McGlashan was dreadful. Comfortably the worst player on the field, followed by Adebayo who offered nothing. Nelson looked like one of the few who cared. & most importantly l hope Dunne's little one is ok. Far more important than any game of football.

Alzate was shit too
Smith wasn't great

I was informed that the players weren't happy with the appointment of doesn't Wellend. Looks like that's true.

They should have done better under Brown then

that rumour has done the rounds today.

and that Richards stropped off home before the York game because he wasn't in the squad.

Richards was definitely at the York game, was sat in directors box.

well, that puts that one to bed then :)

Glad to be of assistance.  :D

was told at half time that Dunne's Mrs was in labour

Forget who's in charge the squad is not up to it. I'll go Reg and suggest we're fighting to stay up. Be back for the Newport game

I doubt it, she already gave birth a week or two ago.

did they give out the att, was plenty of empty seats in the DRS, especially when the fourth went in :suicide:

Smith looked really confused about being on the pitch so early and offered very little in a terrible midfield.
McGlashan looks terrible defensively and only marginally better going forwards.
Taylor - as RobT has said, offered nothing at DM. He seemed to mark Nelson.

I feel sorry for Adebayo, whilst he didn't do great against 3 defenders even if he brought it down he'd be isolated as Anderson was off floating around "finding space" instead of being in the middle.
I also feel sorry for the centrebacks. They were massively exposed by the missing midfield

All in all - shite.

Eveybody has an opinion, I thought McGlashan was marginally better today but Landolo was total dog shite!  Put away that 5 yard chance just before half time and it is a totally different game, they score within 50 second of the restart and heads and hearets are gone it seemed.

Now for something a bit different, for a good few years the guy who has sat behind me in the DRS has become a good acquaintance, but he was missing from the Cambridge game - and he never misses a game, friendlies, first team etc.  He missed the York game and we heard he was possibly suffering from a heart attack.  Today one of his best mates turned up - he lives in Exeter - to tell us that Les had suffered a terrible heart attack, been flown to Bristol within a couple of hours of the Mansfield game in a coma.  Sadly it appears that due to a shortage of oxygen he has suffered brain damage and was not likely to get home ever again.  Unable to speak or move.  64 years old, puts that game in context!   

ah shit man, thoughts go out to those that know him

not that I heard

Fuck! Yep, while many of us are all slinging mud, insults, and garnering for three points. There are others who would just appreciate the privilege to be able to do so. :(

Haven't read back...not yet .

The lowest point as a Town fan......dogshit.

Fucked off at 3 zip.

Staring at the Abyss...

Cba to wrote a full wrote up, we were atrocious in the second half.

We are lucky to be where we are if anything. 2 added time pens v Macclesfield and 3 goals after Tranmere went down to 10. Our only home wins as well. Could easily have 0 wins at home this season and be 6 points worse off. Home form over the last few seasons has been so bad.

Let’s see how the new manager reacts to this loss. Will he have the players in training tomorrow or give them a day off?

For what reason? Is it because they had it to easy under PB? Or because RW is a rookie?

They were pissed off because they didn't get the unicrons they were promised

Who is your informer? Snow?

I want a unicron  :hmmm:

Well we all do, but only SRK has the key to the secret magical unicron kingdom

I want to visit Cliffendge!

Think we're getting omicrons... for those unfamiliar with the Greek alphabet, that's an O.

If you are going to point out this stuff at least get the fuck ups in the right order and blame the right players

We are in the shit, big time.
Heaviest defeat for a Town manager in first game in charge?
RW needs to somehow get this team winning at home and quickly.

Making improvements in the January window is easier said than done.
Send Bayo back to Fulham, yeah on current form wouldn't argue with that.
A more radical move would be to maybe consider sending Alzate back as well.
The balance of the team / squad is all wrong at the moment.

Having said that, I think that at least 2 worse teams will be what saves us this season.
It's not going to be fun viewing for those that continue to go.
Could do with a 'grin and bear it' emoji here.

It would appear that our best/only chance of staying up is that fact that there could actually be, incredibly (as you say Bob), two teams worse than us.  Even if we do stay up though, unless something drastic happens in the Summer it will only be delaying the inevitable.

But, are there two teams worse than us ?,  we all like to think there are,  but how many times have we seen last day miracles when 'doomed' clubs suddenly perform and survive.
Look how safe Rovers appeared on the last day of the season a few years back.
Only hope we don't finish up that deep in the shit, but it's not looking good.

sorry sir. I'll take a notebook next time.

wasn't it iandolo for the mistake on the first goal? just watched the replay and it looks to me he lost his man. so please wise one, give us an accurate analysis

and other than that care to point out what's wrong, or contribute yourself?

edit: oh, I got the second goal free kick in the wrong order. whoopdie do. ok. will I look forward to your analysis next week.

Wether there are two teams worse than us is subjective, worse teams or not based on last season we need 47 points.

Well exactly. That's why the could of 'could be worse than us' was in italics. if there are two teams worse than us is how we will stay up. It won't be through our own competence. Right now, I wouldn't put any money on it.

52 points ASAP has to be Wellens goal....fuck all else.

I don't care how we do it but it needs to get done.

I keep thinking that it cant get any worse...and it does..

We are in the shit big time.

Powers calamitous appointments have fucked us big time (we will have to wait and see ref Wellens but at the moment third off the bottom would be an achievement for him).

Dark times we are in.

Attendance was around 5865 with 280 ish from Carlisle.  I looked it up after the game.

I've seen 46 points and 52 for us to be safe, but looking at our form, we might not have enough games after Christmas to make either of those points targets. who's going to want to join us in a survival fight come Jan? getting beat week in week out, which brings me to the fact that Bellends was appointed for his experience in getting a club relegated. There's no uplift or new manager bounce, so why is he here, unless our leader wants the club out of the football league.Its all by design, no chairman in football history has appointed so many bad managers.

I used to think you were genuine, not convinced anymore

Just a troll. If SRK is a Swindon Town fan then they have a funny way of showing it. More likely a yellow troll. Press ignore :)

Fuck you cunt,call me what you like but that punch in the balls yellow troll is fucking wrong. I spit in you general direction.

Nobody knows what you are because you consistently post such absolute drivel in multiple threads.

Maybe put the toilet duck down before you post and people might think more of you.

surely somebody's alter ego?

Sutton....... ?

FFS, I thought I was bad. SRK loses it over the term 'yellow troll'.

 *points to bench "have a word" points to SRK*.

Always the people who like to throw shit never enjoy seeing it get thrown back at them.

Treat them as they treat others.

How very dare you... I might be a bit grumpy sometimes. but i'd never waste anyone's time trolling people. Show's low morals and low intelligence in my book.

:)

In more important matters;

Has anyone heard anything on Dunne's baby?

It's the poor blokes birthday today too.

Not nice to have obvious landmarks in such events (not that I'm fully aware of the situation)

Thought his birthday was the other month, Rich?

Yes. Quite.

Got done by a rare typo.

http://www.swindon-town-fc.co.uk/Person.asp?PersonID=DUNNEJAM

As you were...

Still. I do hope all is ok for all concerned.

Some fans said I was being too negative, looks like I wasn't negative enough! close with the crowd though :)

Just back from my weekend jaunt to Swindon to see the grand daughter again and taking in th egame...unfortunately.

As for the game....

First 35 mins we were by far the better side, Woolf and JMG linking up well down the right, Iandolo well off the pace, Dunne settled in midfield, we could have scored 3 or 4 with a decent striker in there.

Then Iandolo got caught well out of position for the first, then misses a sitter, he had an awful game and I still don't think hes good enough to play for the first team, hes had metric shit ton of chances now (40ish) and hardly ever impresses.

Bayo is not a centre forward, he cant win headers or control balls hoofed up to him, he only ever looks at home when wide left cutting inside. He has not looked like a player for the last 4 or 5 matches TBF.

I like Alzate but he can't seem to work well with Anderson in midfield, he has such talent and he can hit the ball well from 20 yards out but he rarely does, he need to grab the ball and when 25 yards out let fly with a shot, he has done it twice this season and the results have been a great goal but he rarely does it.

Anderson always runs around, dribbles well but his final ball, pass or shot is almost always well off mark, sometimes woefully so.

I know not many will agree but Vigs is not good enough, he could have got closer to all the goals, he keeps his place despite McCormick keepng 5 clean sheets in his 7 matches conceding 10 goals, Vigs has 1 clean sheet in his 13 games conceding 22. He does not command his area like McCormick does either.

Of all the defence the only players I would keep are Knoyle and Nelson, the rest are not up to it, Woolf shows bits of promise but looks lost at times, not know which position he should be in, he wasn't awful Saturday but he was not very good, Conroy was caught out of position several times and one of them cost us a goal when he was dispossessed when attacking.

First half there was promise, 2nd half was almost as bad a performance as Luton home last season, the players should be embarressed and apologise to the fans for that, we need to find a settled side who know the tactics and where they should be at all times, thats a basic requirement and something almost every player failed to do on Saturday.

And boy do we miss Toums and Doughty in midfield. Taylor started well but faded badly after the first half an hour, and our corners were shit.

Onwards and hopefully upwards.

Following my comments on the game, I've been trying to figure out what you do to get a team out of our squad.

I agree with Venks, McCormick is the better keeper - he seems able to gather more than Vigs and the players appear to have more trust (Taylor put a ball out for a corner that Vigs was going to easily claim and then apologised which suggested he did get a call but didn't want to take the risk).

Knoyle is out best full back, play him.

Taylor is the least worse choice at left back, he doesn't fit much anywhere else.

Nelson is the best defender, then I'd probably add Woolfenden for now - we cannot play with three.

Our strength is central midfield, which means we probably have to play three of them.  I'd go with Dave in front of the back four and then Smith and Doughty (this requires them all to be fit of course, so place Dunne and McCourt in as needed, the latter concerns me but we need to keep the shape consistent).

Who plays wide?  Tought one, nobody is suited to it other than McGlashan who has no end product.  I'd probably stick Alzate out wide right and Adebayo left - until January.  I think you keep Alzate in January but he cover Doughty.  Adebayo has a few weeks to prove he has something, but Id be working on a wide left player.  Woollery probably covers either of these two for now.

Upfront is another tough one.  I'd probably go with Twine.  Nobody fits the bill for the role, but while he hasn't looked like the answer, he does have a knack of getting fouled.  Everyone else allows the ball to bounce off them as they want to be playing facing goal.  Twine at least seems to tempt the defender into contact, so even if he isn't a hold up player, he can earn us possession.

There are still some glaring square pegs in that.  Once into January, maybe you an change it around with new players, but for now we have to play to our strengths and minimise the weaknesses.

Anderson should be sold off, he doesn't fit any formation I can think of.
Richards can only play if we go with two up top and wide men, not our current strength.
McGlashan needs to be binned off as well, not up to it.
Based on current form, I'd send Adebayo back to Fulham and find some wide players in January
Taylor needs a replacement lined-up, but neither Romanski nor Iandolo are the answer
McCourt is probably the most at threat for any formation change - move to two in midfield and he never plays.

Pretty much agree with all of that analysis Rob.

Based on current form Dunne should start.
Probably in place of Dave, although the mini knees up mother brown routine every time he brings the ball under control is quite entertaining.

I agree with every word of this, so thanks for saving me the typing time.

I've not been on the forum for ages, but wondered what was being said after Saturday's shower. Grim times for sure...

So team for Vale? I can't believe the below is the best we can do right now. Terrifying.

               Luke Mc
Knoyle  Woolf  Nelson  Taylor
           Smith   Dunne
  Alzate       Keshi     Bayo
                 Twine

This is tantamount to heresy on here PV....

Of that I am aware!

Oh, and don't think that Anderson, Alzate & Doughty can all play in the same team.
Two of them would be pushing it.

Pick the one who can do the sideways stuff the best and can also pick out the non existent runner with the slide rule pass, doesn't meander aimlessly across the pitch with the ball or get bogged down trying to beat three or four of the opposition on his own.
My money is on Doughty, our best player, but through no fault of his own is becoming a bit of a sick note.

I agree about Dunne, on Saturday his industry allowed Taylor a bit more time to stroke they ball about and also allowed the link up down our right. When he went off, it all went to pot as Smith seemed to take ages to get into the game.

As for the first goal i'd say it was Conroy who was way out of position for a left sided defender in a back three. He allowed the forward to turn and play the ball into the large gap he'd left. Iandolo not having much pace lost a foot race. 

 

Where did you find this, can't find this listed anywhere.

Dunne has probably been one of, if not, our best and most consistent player this season

Great synopsis Rob & I agree with the bulk of it. I still think Vigs is a better long term solution in goals but until an experienced CB is brought in to partner Nelson I would stick with LMC for the experience & assurance that he would bring to the defence. If we can land an old head in Jan I would revert back to Vigs. Would also go with Conroy over Woolfenden as I don't think there is much between them & I'd rather go with one of our own given the choice.

Our best midfield looks to be Dunne, Doughty, Dia  We had it at at Crawley and were 2-0 up and in control and then had 2 of them sent off, and I'm not sure they've played together before or since.

  Just to give a bit more context to Saturday, and how serious the shit we're now in is, it was Audrey who posted this about the problems at Carlisle pre-season....

‘Carlisle are holding open trials this weekend in a desperate attempt to put a squad together for the season ahead.

Ex pros looking to get back into the game and young Sunday league players are what the club are looking for but anyone can turn up and try their luck as long as you don’t mind a salary of £400 a week.

So if you still have dreams of being a footballer, get yourself down there on Saturday morning. Bring boots (studs and moldies), shin pads and a packed lunch.’

Disappointed while watching BBC Points West and they spoke about the game saying Wellens had the worst start of any manager in Swindons history.

All 3 presenters subsiquently laughing at our predicament, not very professional TBH, especially the blonde bint who knows nothing about football other than the Bristol Shitheads speaking into her earpiece probably influencing her laughter outburst, it was frankly pathetic.

16 mins 40 secs in.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0bs1z83/points-west-evening-news-19112018

Blimey a tadge over sensitive, don't you think?

As bad as our predicament is, we have not (as yet) gone bust in our history and have least won one major trophy more than they have.

So any evidence that that was what actually happened and how many Sunday Leagues players they signed and were in the team that beat us Saturday.

 

Of course they didn’t, 6 signings in the summer who are all players released from pro clubs.

They have a sizeable squad of 30 players

There are plenty of genuine reasons to knock our club at the moment but the lengths some people go to are tiresome

If we don't want to be laughed at we need to stop giving people reason to laugh at us.

We'd be dishing it out if it was anyone else. Who cares?

I know my team is shit. We've been shit pretty much my whole life!

True.

No its nothing to do with being over sensitive, I promise you they would not have that reaction if it was one of the Bristol clubs in the same situation. It usual BBC bias against any club that isn't from Bristol.

Just checked and it seems I was looking at the game from April.  Was checking on my phone, so as you were, disregard my numbers..

Saturdays official attendance was 6,722 with 302 away fans according to onefootballforum.

You beat me to it. Confirmed here:

https://www.carlisleunited.co.uk/news/2018/november/match-report-summary-of-the-swindon-away-game/

thanks

that seems very high, even with counting all season tickets. though I guess the kids initiative may have had an affect (other than curing insomnia)

Didn't look anywhere near that figure to me, 5,500 tops.

Looked about right to me. Looking across to God’s Waiting Room there seemed to be more than recent games.

The Merlin was fuller, too. Always a decent indicator.

More than the piss stains against the Pikeys, too!

er, which thread should this go in...

BBC Wits Sport:
#STFC team news for Port Vale: Michael Doughty returns from his foot problem, no James Dunne.

Must be serious for Dunne then.  :(

yeah :(

It could mean that there was a serious problem that is now resolved, but taking a few days to let his head get settled after a very worrying week? No, I'm not convinced either but I hope so, fingers crossed for him and his family

I must have missed it, did something happen to Dunne??

there was a communication between bench and exec seating. Dunne was withdrawn from the game immediately and legged it down the tunnel. His parents also left.

think it's a family emergency, but it's speculation from that point on. :(

Subbed off after 30 mins last week, dashed off down the tunnel, Wellens said after they took him off due to a serious family emergency (or words to that effect). His missus has just had a baby, people are putting two and two together (and hopefully coming up with 5)

Fuck! Fingers crossed for the guy and his family!

I see Dunne has posted an update on twitter thanking the hospital for saving his sons life. Great news.

Great news, started to fear the worst after he had missed the last couple of games.

Great to hear

SCBU nurses once again doing a sterling underpaid wonderful job.

Good god that must have been terrifying, whatever it was. I remember my daughter's first epileptic fit. We didn't know it was epilepsy at the time, twas an awful experience.

Good to hear all seems OK.

I don't think he was at GWH, the tweet mentions King's

Good stuff!

Still a SCBU unit though.

Good luck to them all.  Lovely news.

Brilliant stuff! Something we can all agree on as, very good news.

Great stuff,  hope the child continues to improve.
Hopefully Dunne  can return to playing now, although that is secondary to the health of his child.

Great news.

So pleased to hear this, hope he makes a full recovery. Must have been a terrible time for them as a family