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Title: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 18:18:30
It's that time again...

An up and coming young manager or retiring pro, please.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Nijholts Nuts on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 18:29:04
It's that time again...

An up and coming young manager or retiring pro, please.
Matt Taylor


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: DV Canio on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 18:31:07
Duncan Ferguson


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 18:33:03
Paul Hurst or Michael Flynn.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Sir Cliff Pipehard on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 18:47:01

Just heard a rumour that it might be Colin Calderwood.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 18:49:06
keep hearing Cotterill.. Dear god nooooo.

Calderwood I hope not, simply for the same as Pullen said, don't want to ruin their legacy/legend status.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Processed Beats on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 18:49:07
Paul Hurst or Michael Flynn.

Either of these would be good.

I’d also be looking at Garrard. Or a recently retired former player.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: overthehill on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 18:51:48

TIM Sherwood    :D


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Chunkyhair on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 18:52:17
Surely Matty Taylor at least as caretaker.  As someone said before can't judge him when he did it last time against Cheltnumb as that is always a nailed on defeat


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 18:52:49
I reckon Power has someone lined up.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 18:59:31
I’d also be looking at Garrard.
Who's Borehamwood side lost at "Even worse than York" Southport yesterday


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:01:19
I'm not surprised he's gone after a win. I wouldn't read anything into that. It really wasn't much of a win and nothing to suggest thing will improve.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:05:07
I reckon Power has someone lined up.

You hope.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:05:24
this must have been lined up before the York game.

agree with Rich, reckon we'll have an announcement tonight/tomorrow


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:06:02
Matt Taylor

No.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:06:21
Duncan Ferguson

No.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:07:12
TIM Sherwood    :D

Wanker. Him and you 🤣


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:07:40
We need someone in the firefighter mould...what’s Martin Allen up to these days? He’d fit the bill perfectly. I’m thinking a deal until the end of the season to help see us over the line and then we can review in the summer.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:07:46
I reckon Power has someone lined up.

Poor bastard.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: DV Canio on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:09:15
No.

Why not?

Been Coaching at Everton for a number of years now. Full of drive & passion. Wouldn’t take any shit.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Private Fraser on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:10:42
We need someone in the firefighter mould...what’s Martin Allen up to these days? He’d fit the bill perfectly. I’m thinking a deal until the end of the season to help see us over the line and then we can review in the summer.

Isn’t he currently [mis-]managing Chesterfield to oblivion and beyond?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:11:17
A recently retired player for me, as suggested by FH.  Craig Bellamy was mentioned a few weeks ago, I quite like that idea.. 


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:12:14
Isn’t he currently [mis-]managing Chesterfield to oblivion and beyond?
As someone pointed out the other day, Chang has reinvented himself as a kind of "shit Reg" troll.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: joteddyred on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:13:07
Someone I know on the fb page has said an interview took place this morning at the Swan Inn in Bibury.  If true and no reason to disbelieve him, it seems like Power has a replacement already.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:13:24
Why not?

Been Coaching at Everton for a number of years now. Full of drive & passion. Wouldn’t take any shit.

A journey man hanging n his old mans coat tails. Power will want a chamgane manager with lemonade money, I doubt the spawn of Fergie would come here anyway.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:14:15
A journey man hanging n his old mans coat tails. Power will want a chamgane manager with lemonade money, I doubt the spawn of Fergie would come here anyway.
Duncan is no relation to Sir Alex...


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:14:38
A journey man hanging n his old mans coat tails. Power will want a chamgane manager with lemonade money, I doubt the spawn of Fergie would come here anyway.

Oh dear  :no:


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:16:11
A journey man hanging n his old mans coat tails. Power will want a chamgane manager with lemonade money, I doubt the spawn of Fergie would come here anyway.
Duncan != Darren


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Private Fraser on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:16:45
As someone pointed out the other day, Chang has reinvented himself as a kind of "shit Reg" troll.

Not much of a ‘reinvention’ then.  :)


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:16:53
Someone I know on the fb page has said an interview took place this morning at the Swan Inn in Bibury.  If true and no reason to disbelieve him, it seems like Power has a replacement already.

I guess they are not mentioning names then?  Are you sure he is not just doing a Chang?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:17:36
Someone I know on the fb page has said an interview took place this morning at the Swan Inn in Bibury.  If true and no reason to disbelieve him
Think I've found a reason


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:19:45
Someone I know on the fb page has said an interview took place this morning at the Swan Inn in Bibury.  If true and no reason to disbelieve him, it seems like Power has a replacement already.
Could have been for a car parking attendant job.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: DV Canio on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:22:30
A journey man hanging n his old mans coat tails. Power will want a chamgane manager with lemonade money, I doubt the spawn of Fergie would come here anyway.

You’re an idiot.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:35:58
DF did alright at Peterborough


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:40:12
DF did alright at Peterborough
apparently not the DF you are thinking of.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:44:05
Michael Carrick looked mightily pissed off today on the bench!😁


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:47:52
apparently not the DF you are thinking of.

I'm thinking of Darren Ferguson, who are you thinking of?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:53:03
I'm thinking of Darren Ferguson, who are you thinking of?
Duncan Ferguson ex Everton is the name previously mentioned,  Darren has been out of management since 2008.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:57:07
Duncan Ferguson ex Everton is the name previously mentioned,  Darren has been out of management since 2008.

Eh? He managed Preston, Peterborough and Doncaster since then


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: brocklesby red on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 19:58:33
Duncan Ferguson ex Everton is the name previously mentioned,  Darren has been out of management since 2008.
Darren was manager of Doncaster until June of this year


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 20:02:30
Eh? He managed Preston, Peterborough and Doncaster since then
You're right - I was looking at his playing career !, was player/manager 2007/8 but never actually played.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Shizzle on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 20:05:02
Simon Ferry is the answer. He always has been


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 20:08:46
Simon Ferry is the answer. He always has been

Nothing like a personal reference is there Mrs Ferry?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 20:11:04
You’re an idiot.

Been called worse than that you insignificant one cell piece of pond life 😂


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: donkey on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 20:13:08
Simon Ferry is the answer. He always has been

I'd be fun, at least.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 20:14:15
Just got in! Hoorah!

And the new man is . . . Sam Ricketts


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: tans on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 20:14:38
We need someone in the firefighter mould..

Im here


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 20:16:36
Duncan is no relation to Sir Alex...

I no who cars


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 20:16:52
yeah! Trumpet on for manager!


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 20:18:27
Just got in! Hoorah!

And the new man is . . . Sam Ricketts

No chance... he signed a 3 yr deal with Wrexham.  Power isn't going to buy out a contract as well as pay up Brown and McDonald. 



Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: DV Canio on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 20:21:24
Been called worse than that you insignificant one cell piece of pond life 😂

I’m not the one getting Darren & Duncan mixed up.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 20:21:55
Fuck off, Reg! You’ve burst me balloon already!


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: hefty toe on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 20:25:37
What about Gary Bowyer? Power made a move for him before and he's currently unemployed.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 20:25:58
Fuck off, Reg! You’ve burst me balloon already!

I was thinking about SR as a possible recently, so checked his status. Shame as he is doing well.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 20:30:21
I’m glad. Not nice losing your job but I, and I think a lot of fans, were starting to think Power really didn’t care what was happening on the pitch and would just let the club slide.

Best time to do it, too. Few games before the transfer window and, hopefully, getting the present squad performing.

We’ll be there Saturday now.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 20:33:55
I'd be fun, at least.
Well yes you would. And at least we would know the players would be better in the air. But what do you think of Ferry?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: ronnie21 on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 20:41:45
this must have been lined up before the York game.

agree with Rich, reckon we'll have an announcement tonight/tomorrow
Not the Swindon way, Thursday at the earliest!


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 20:42:53
What about Gary Bowyer? Power made a move for him before and he's currently unemployed.

Hadn't noticed that he'd walked on Blackpool.... certainly knows what working with basket case clubs involves. Power probably seems benign compared to the Oystons and Venkys


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 20:45:27
I'd still entertain the idea of Sam Ricketts. He can't be on that much at Wrexham, shirley?

Out of 9 managers sacked in the FL so far, could we be in for one of these;

Gary Bowyer (realistic, Power was in for him before DF)
Gary Johnson
Nick Daws
Kevin Nolan (possible)
Michael Collins
Dean Austin
Steve Bruce (would be interesting but unlikely)
Mark Yates (no thanks)
Paul Hurst (another interesting one but unlikely)


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 20:47:23
Bellamy is the one i would like seen given a go.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: StefPol on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 20:51:01
I'd still entertain the idea of Sam Ricketts. He can't be on that much at Wrexham, shirley?

Out of 9 managers sacked in the FL so far, could we be in for one of these;

Gary Bowyer (realistic, Power was in for him before DF)
Gary Johnson
Nick Daws
Kevin Nolan (possible)
Michael Collins
Dean Austin
Steve Bruce (would be interesting but unlikely)
Marke Yates (no thanks)
Paul Hurst (another interesting one but unlikely)

Who is Shirley ?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 20:53:40
Who is Shirley ?

Shirley? You Shirley must know what I'm on about?

That must be the easiest whoosh going  :soapy tit wank:

Who'd you like to see here next my trolly friend? ;)


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: StefPol on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 20:54:43
Shirley? You Shirley must know what I'm on about?

That must be the easiest whoosh going  :soapy tit wank:

Who'd you like to see here next my trolly friend? ;)

Shirley Easton ?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Abrahammer on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 20:55:18
Luke Garrard has done a superb job with Boreham Wood.

Only matter of time until he moves up to a league club, that club should be us


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: StefPol on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 20:56:10
Shirley Bassey ?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 20:58:06
Shirley Bassey ?

Temple mate, Temple.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: donkey on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 21:07:23
Well yes you would. And at least we would know the players would be better in the air. But what do you think of Ferry?

:-)


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: donkey on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 21:08:38
Bowyer would be a good appointment methinks.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 21:17:47
 Shirley Abicair..... with her zither

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTE0WY-lHjc


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 21:26:53
I'd quite like to see Kevin Nolan given a go. Did well at Leyton Orient given the circumstances and started well at Notts.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: cdakev on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 21:32:18
Richie Wellens is 1/5 on Sky bet


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 21:32:48
Who the fuck is thst


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: cdakev on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 21:36:01
Was manager of Oldham until he took them down


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 21:37:38
I vote for giving someone their first shot as manager. Why give another job to these people who have tried and failed before, there are so many want to be coaches/managers out there.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 21:38:11
Was manager of Oldham until he took them down
That’s got me excited no end


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 21:40:27
Quote from: cdakev
Richie Wellens is 1/5 on Sky bet

good god no


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: cdakev on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 21:41:02
Yep, We have just all had a lift with Brown going and if it is Wellens then it would deflate us all again


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 21:42:38
What criteria can you use to come up with Wellens as manager.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 21:43:25
20 pints of Stella and a disregard for league football?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: tans on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 21:44:37
Was manager of Oldham until he took them down

Should fit right in!


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: cdakev on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 21:45:23
He is the favourite on Bet Victor as well


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: cdakev on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 21:47:35
It wouldn't make any sense to me to sack Brown and replace him with Wellens.
That would be a backwards move


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 21:49:50
Thankfully, I can’t remember the early bookies fav for any vacancy actually getting the job.

The problem is, that any untried manager with any sort of self confidence in their ability would need some assurances he’d have a chance of making a fist of STFC.

The Power model seems to be the merry go round type or already at the club type.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 21:53:51
What criteria can you use to come up with Wellens as manager.

Had a real bounce when he took over Oldham.... such a run would probably keep us up this year.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 21:55:19

The problem is, that any untried manager with any sort of self confidence in their ability would need some assurances he’d have a chance of making a fist of STFC.


Perhaps, but there are way more managers than there are clubs and if you are trying to get your foot in the door then you take what you can get. As shit as things have got i would argue that STFC in its current state is a good job for anyone given we are currently massively underachieving.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: tans on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 21:59:57
If Sendles-White isnt appointed its a missed opportunity.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 22:04:08
Wellens has experience of a relegation dog fight and by all accounts Oldham’s loss of Div 3 status was not down to him. Throw in the fact he isn’t contracted and is unlikely to command a high salary, i’d say he fits the bill. One of the things I always look forward to finding out when there’s a managerial appointment is who will be trusted with the role of cone gatherer...it’s almost as important as the main appointment itself. Taylor would be the obvious choice you’d think :hmmm:


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Shizzle on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 22:07:31
Ladies and gentlemen. Please welcome to the dugout, Mr Gordon Greer


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 22:10:01
Richie Wellens? Jesus wept
I expect the Facebook crew are saying we should get PdC back


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 22:11:20
Quote from: Matchworn Shirts
Richie Wellens? Jesus wept

well quite


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 22:14:31
Wellens has experience of a relegation dog fight and by all accounts Oldham’s loss of Div 3 status was not down to him. Throw in the fact he isn’t contracted and is unlikely to command a high salary, i’d say he fits the bill. One of the things I always look forward to finding out when there’s a managerial appointment is who will be trusted with the role of cone gatherer...it’s almost as important as the main appointment itself. Taylor would be the obvious choice you’d think :hmmm:
It’s getting a bit tedious now. It was slightly amusing the first time, but now it’s just fucking boring.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: bathford on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 22:15:05
It's already on Wikipedia that Wellens is the Swindon Town Manager..


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 22:16:50
Quote from: bathford
It's already on Wikipedia that Wellens is the Swindon Town Manager..
must be true then :)


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: woolster on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 22:22:34
Robert Fleck has been mentioned :hmmm:


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 22:24:46
Ladies and gentlemen. Please welcome to the dugout, Mr Gordon Greer
DV would be happy at least, he’d wank himself into a frenzy


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: bathford on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 22:26:25
It's already on Wikipedia that Wellens is the Swindon Town Manager..

It's now been changed on Wiki.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: newmarket red on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 22:26:38
It's already on Wikipedia that Wellens is the Swindon Town Manager..
I bloody hope not . :suicide:


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Sir red ken on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 22:30:17
Who's the next victim? we're sacking managers faster than Chelski.. The clubs in decline and unless PB's sacking has anything to do with a takeover, its just a case of moving the deck chairs around. Matty will most likely get a second try but I'm not holding my breath that anyone special will be joining us  (I'd love to be proved wrong). LP's record of appointing managers is one of the worst in the clubs history. What a shambles, I almost feel sorry for PB his results last season would have put most clubs off signing him but we stuck with and it must be costing a fair chunk of budget to keep showing managers the door.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: woolster on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 22:37:25
Who's the next victim? we're sacking managers faster than Chelski.. The clubs in decline and unless PB's sacking has anything to do with a takeover, its just a case of moving the deck chairs around. Matty will most likely get a second try but I'm not holding my breath that anyone special will be joining us  (I'd love to be proved wrong). LP's record of appointing managers is one of the worst in the clubs history. What a shambles, I almost feel sorry for PB his results last season would have put most clubs off signing him but we stuck with and it must be costing a fair chunk of budget to keep showing managers the door.
yeah, and his stats are even worse this season, :bye:


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Sir red ken on Sunday, November 11, 2018, 22:57:09
yeah, and his stats are even worse this season, :bye:
Wouldn't you have said thanks but no thanks at the end of last season woolster. what evidence was there that PB would turn us around when he lost 8 games out of 10. Couple that with signing free's and loans in the close season, the problem lies with LP and it doesn't look like that problems going away any time soon.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, November 12, 2018, 00:54:12
I’m not the one getting Darren & Duncan mixed up.

I still don’t care.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: DV Canio on Monday, November 12, 2018, 01:31:46
Cared enough to reply, again


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 12, 2018, 08:08:46
They could be describing Flitcroft or Brown.

http://www.owtb.co.uk/topic/50488-richie-wellens-poll/


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 12, 2018, 08:17:43
I just can't believe it would be wellens.

 With him going in as favourite so soon it is surely not going to take many £ to shift the market. Bit odd it's gone to odds on on both VC and skybet admittedly. Are they linked?

In any case, but even Power is not so big a cockwomble to appoint Richie fucking Wellens in place of Brown


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, November 12, 2018, 08:18:42
It will have gone in as favourite because someone put £5 on it. If Richie Welles’s is our new manager I’ll eat my own dick


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, November 12, 2018, 08:37:24
Cared enough to reply, again

No, really, I don’t care.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, November 12, 2018, 08:37:38
Considering how soon it was after Brown's sacking was confirmed, it may well have been the bookies putting him on themselves just to make the numbers up.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Monday, November 12, 2018, 08:41:25
Richie Wellens is 1/5 on Sky bet

Out of the names on Sky Bet I'd go for Thomas Christiansen, purely as I'd like to see a foreign head coach rock up.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Costanza on Monday, November 12, 2018, 08:48:07
Out of the names on Sky Bet I'd go for Thomas Christiansen, purely as I'd like to see a foreign head coach rock up.


Fabrizio Piccareta was wanting a return to the UK last summer....


Title: Re: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, November 12, 2018, 08:59:29
Considering how soon it was after Brown's sacking was confirmed, it may well have been the bookies putting him on themselves just to make the numbers up.
Considering on reading this and other threads how we are apparently fighting relegation yet the bookies still have us at shorter odds to be promoted than relegated I suggest we take anything bookies are saying with a large pinch of salt.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: phelpsieboy on Monday, November 12, 2018, 09:20:21
Richie Wellens may be more possiblethan some think..... His initial assistant at Oldham was Paul Jewell who is one of Lee Power's close acquaintances. I know Paul resigned early on in to that spell, but he may have seen enough in Richie to have made a recommendation to Power.

I certainly hope it isn't the case and we have a significant appointment lined up! But it may just be more possible than originally thought.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Leggett on Monday, November 12, 2018, 09:21:50
It will have gone in as favourite because someone put £5 on it. If Richie Welles’s is our new manager I’ll eat my own dick

Saved for posterity...

Whoever comes in needs a decent backing from Power, or we'll just be in the same boat come the summer. Hate what a shambles this club has become under his ownership. He can go on and on about the training ground til he's blue in the face, but his failings are there for all to see.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, November 12, 2018, 09:23:48


Whoever comes in needs a decent backing from Power,

You mean like the last 2 managers had?


Title: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 12, 2018, 09:39:01
Quote
.. I’ll eat my own dick
be honest, you'd give it a go if you could Wellens or not!


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 12, 2018, 10:03:51
Well, I’ve just placed a bet on Sky Bet to see if small wagers really change these sort of markets.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, November 12, 2018, 10:09:26
Who did you go for Audley?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 12, 2018, 10:10:37
Well, I’ve just placed a bet on Sky Bet to see if small wagers really change these sort of markets.

Sheena  :hmmm:

I think she got in during the long wait for Malpas's replacement.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 12, 2018, 10:10:43
I put a tenner on Matt Taylor


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 12, 2018, 10:18:15
has Pat Fenlon got a mention yet?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, November 12, 2018, 10:19:28
I put a tenner on Matt Taylor
And did it?


Title: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 12, 2018, 10:19:38
Quote
I put a tenner on Matt Taylor
what were his odds when you placed?

currently 12/1


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 12, 2018, 10:20:14
12/1 about 10 minutes ago


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 12, 2018, 10:20:45
actually, got a screen grab last night and he was 12/1 then


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 12, 2018, 10:21:12
I put a tenner on Matt Taylor

I said previously, I'm not sure Matty would take it if offered.... Chang could be right we need a firefighter. Wellens did a good job with Latics at first, and given he took on a dire situation, a similar show for us would keep us up.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Monday, November 12, 2018, 10:33:09
I said previously, I'm not sure Matty would take it if offered.... Chang could be right we need a firefighter. Wellens did a good job with Latics at first, and given he took on a dire situation, a similar show for us would keep us up.
Is Chang now your official cheerleader?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 12, 2018, 10:50:22
Is Chang now your official cheerleader?

I preferred the ITK Chang... I lost my contacts when Fitton/Black went.  No idea about the inner workings of Jed/Power.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, November 12, 2018, 10:53:26
I suspect Power made up his mind after last weeks 1-0 loss away at Colchester and has been busy sounding out possible targets. Keeping Brown in the hot seat to get us into the 2nd round of the FA Cup then striking.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: DV Canio on Monday, November 12, 2018, 11:03:31
No, really, I don’t care.

Stop replying then.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 12, 2018, 11:04:42
you put the phone down.
no you
no you.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 12, 2018, 11:05:23
Quote from: Reg Smeeton
Wellens did a good job with Latics at first, and given he took on a dire situation, a similar show for us would keep us up.

Reg, you've lost it.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Monday, November 12, 2018, 11:05:46
Stop replying then.

Can you two just get it over with and fuck?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, November 12, 2018, 11:11:10
Reg, you've lost it.

Behave, he is having a ball today!


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Private Fraser on Monday, November 12, 2018, 11:15:36
Reg and Chang are one and the same person, right?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Monday, November 12, 2018, 11:21:01
Neal Ardley just left AFC Wimbledon. Presumably unrelated but would be a reasonable profile of manager...


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 12, 2018, 11:29:01
Reg, you've lost it.

If it is to be Wellens, then I'll give him a chance, unlike those who have written him off already.

When he took over Oldham they did well for a while, but just ran out of steam.  His stay was a bit like Iffy's at Town in 05/06, inherited a very dodgy start, improved matters, but with 4 down not by quite enough. 

Incidentally Iffy now coaches in the England U 21 set up.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 12, 2018, 11:33:23
if it's Wellens I'm done with power*..

*unless Wellens does well, obviously I'm very fickle


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 12, 2018, 11:40:23
if it's Wellens I'm done with power*..

*unless Wellens does well, obviously I'm very fickle

You've caught something from your trips to the Adver site....


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 12, 2018, 11:42:00
maybe, but I still think it would be a bloody awful and risky appointment.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, November 12, 2018, 11:46:23
Wouldn't be surprised if Gary Bowyer got the job.
Background of working with young players and not a bad managerial record.

Would fit the profile type of the last two appointments, i.e. has experience of getting out of L2.
And may have been higher up on Power's original wishlist than Flitcroft.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, November 12, 2018, 11:46:33
If I owned a bookies I'd troll the fuck out of everybody by plopping in the names of random 'shite' managers.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Monday, November 12, 2018, 11:48:28
If I owned a bookies I'd troll the fuck out of everybody by plopping in the names of random 'shite' managers.

Would anyone notice the difference between that and how L2 managerial linking actually works?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, November 12, 2018, 11:49:33
It would be interesting to see a list of STFC 'bookies favourites' since Cooper went in 2015  :hmmm:


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, November 12, 2018, 11:49:45
I think it's complete luck I won't be excited or disappointed in any appointment until they start to put their ideas and players into a team.

we have done inexperience and it's worked (wise/poyet/do canio) and failed (Williams/Cooper).

we have done experienced and it's worked (sturrock, Wilson) and failed (Flitcroft, Brown).

It's easier to get more excited about a former pro footballer as they have a clean sheet and contacts. With experience they have club's which they have done well and also terrible.

I can't put any blame on power for the last few years. he has appointed strong experienced managers and backed them. It hasn't worked. we go again


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 12, 2018, 12:00:06
I think it's complete luck I won't be excited or disappointed in any appointment until they start to put their ideas and players into a team.

we have done inexperience and it's worked (wise/poyet/do canio) and failed (Williams/Cooper).

we have done experienced and it's worked (sturrock, Wilson) and failed (Flitcroft, Brown).

It's easier to get more excited about a former pro footballer as they have a clean sheet and contacts. With experience they have club's which they have done well and also terrible.

I can't put any blame on power for the last few years. he has appointed strong experienced managers and backed them. It hasn't worked. we go again

You're right about a lot of it is down to luck, right man, right place etc.  

But your analysis of outcomes is very shaky. Wise wsn't inexperienced,, he'd taken Millwall to a cup final, and into Europe.  Cooper wasn't inexperienced he'd had something like 200 game in management before us. Wilson worked up to a point, but he was culpable for leading us into Div 4 in 10/11.  Flitcroft didn't fail... he left us in a PO slot and comfortably clear of the sort of slide we're now experiencing.

Power is culpable for getting us into Div 4, his hope that we could "limp over the line" in 16/17 tells us tat.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: donkey on Monday, November 12, 2018, 12:10:45
Autocorrect on my phone changed Wellens to We'll end.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Monday, November 12, 2018, 12:13:46
God it's depressing being a town fan, the downward spiral just continues..

And people wonder why fans lose their mojo about a club..


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Sir red ken on Monday, November 12, 2018, 12:25:36
Autocorrect on my phone changed Wellens to We'll end.
If he takes us any lower in the league we'll be calling him Bell end/s.



Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: reeves4england on Monday, November 12, 2018, 12:32:34
Wouldn't be surprised if Gary Bowyer got the job.


I'd welcome that appointment. He did a great job at Blackpool and although he walked away, I was surprised he put up with the situation there as long as he did. Whether he'd want the job is another matter.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 12, 2018, 12:33:02
ditto


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 12, 2018, 12:43:06
Neal Ardley just left AFC Wimbledon. Presumably unrelated but would be a reasonable profile of manager...
And straight in to 2nd fav


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 12, 2018, 12:44:18
you didn't move the Taylor odds then Audrey..


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 12, 2018, 12:45:39
I want me experimental tenner back


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: CMT82 on Monday, November 12, 2018, 12:53:39
I heard Gordon Greer mentioned yesterday, perhaps pie in the sky like most rumours.

Big opportunity for the club to get it right - equal to the risk of getting it wrong.

Will be a bundle of applicants, Swindon remains an attractive club but managers do talk. I just hope due diligence and consultation takes place before a quickfire appease-the-masses appointment.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Monday, November 12, 2018, 12:54:34
Is there a list of potential managers somewhere? I'm just reading names mentioned here and there.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 12, 2018, 13:01:21
Is there a list of potential managers somewhere? I'm just reading names mentioned here and there.

You mean a list of out of contract former managers? not seen one.

There is the bookies list, but only Skybet seem to be taking cash right now. VC were, but its gone from their betvictor site now

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/team-specials/swindon/next-permanent-manager


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Monday, November 12, 2018, 13:02:31
Is there a list of potential managers somewhere? I'm just reading names mentioned here and there.

You can go to www.thesackrace.com/teams/swindon-town if that helps.

I saw this morning AFC Wimbledon have parted company with Neal Ardley. Despite his failings with them so far this season, he had been there 6 or 7 years (the 7 year itch, I guess). I'd be happy with him here.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Monday, November 12, 2018, 13:14:01
God it's depressing being a town fan, the downward spiral just continues..

And people wonder why fans lose their mojo about a club..

Posts like these are meaningless without the "Just shows how far we've fallen" tagline Swindon fans have adopted in the past few months.

But yes you are right... Although my STFC 'mojo' is waining I still love watching live football. Managed to get a ticket in the away end at the Madejski for £20. 3 goals after 10 minutes, great value for money. Now Browns gone though I'll probably come to the next Town game (after throwing a right old strop post Cambridge) and support the new man.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 12, 2018, 13:14:25
Not really any of the names mentioned actually appeal to me, possibly Bellamy at a push.

I think I would prefer the recently retired top level player, possibly an ex international, all the experienced names mentioned either wouldn't want to come to us or would not inspire me with much confidence, ala Cotterill etc.

I have a feeling the job could be Taylors, if he wants it, he wouldn't be my first choice but who knows, I am not going to write any new manager off before he is even appointed.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Monday, November 12, 2018, 13:14:53
Colin Calderwood appears at 10/1. Is he out of work currently?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Monday, November 12, 2018, 13:16:41
Colin Calderwood appears at 10/1. Is he out of work currently?

Yes, he was assistant to Bruce prior to his sacking at Villa.

He had success as Manager early is his career but has been an assistant most of the time since.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 12, 2018, 13:16:46
Colin Calderwood appears at 10/1. Is he out of work currently?

Yes.  I'm fairly sure that Colin would know it isn't right, and probably doesn't need the money.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 12, 2018, 13:18:58
Not really any of the names mentioned actually appeal to me, possibly Bellamy at a push.

I think I would prefer the recently retired top level player, possibly an ex international, all the experienced names mentioned either wouldn't want to come to us or would not inspire me with much confidence, ala Cotterill etc.

I have a feeling the job could be Taylors, if he wants it, he wouldn't be my first choice but who knows, I am not going to write any new manager off before he is even appointed.


Bellamy turned down Oxford, apparently due to concerns over budget, recruitment etc. so unless something has happened he'd be very unlikley here.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Kinky Tom on Monday, November 12, 2018, 13:27:09
People know Bellamy is very close friends with Power right?   Interpret that how you like but I don't think it should happen, as I've said before, I've met him and he's a good guy really but probably not a good idea while Power is in charge.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 12, 2018, 13:27:43
People know Bellamy is very close friends with Power right?

Actually no, no I didn't.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, November 12, 2018, 13:36:06
Not really any of the names mentioned actually appeal to me, possibly Bellamy at a push.

I think I would prefer the recently retired top level player, possibly an ex international, all the experienced names mentioned either wouldn't want to come to us or would not inspire me with much confidence, ala Cotterill etc.

I have a feeling the job could be Taylors, if he wants it, he wouldn't be my first choice but who knows, I am not going to write any new manager off before he is even appointed.

I think you will find that is NOT the Swindon way PV  ;)


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 12, 2018, 13:40:47
I think you will find that is NOT the Swindon way PV  ;)
How very true! whoever is appointed is a fucking wast of space! (hows that? better?) :D

Bellamy turned down Oxford, apparently due to concerns over budget, recruitment etc. so unless something has happened he'd be very unlikley here.
I agree totally.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: tans on Monday, November 12, 2018, 13:53:02
Wellens it is.

Fuck off.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Ginginho on Monday, November 12, 2018, 13:53:05
#Swindon set to appoint Richie Wellens as new manager with Noel Hunt his assistant. #STFC Full story shortly #SSN

😢


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 12, 2018, 13:53:43
fuck off Town.

power out


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: tans on Monday, November 12, 2018, 13:54:48
Ambition my arse


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Monday, November 12, 2018, 13:55:17
Somebody is going to eat an unfortunate part of his anatomy.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, November 12, 2018, 13:57:41
Not the most inspiring appointment ever but can't be worse than PB.

Out of interest, why are people so annoyed about this? I get it's not glamorous or the person most would have chosen, but it's invoking some seriously strong reactions and I don't get it.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, November 12, 2018, 13:58:18
Christ.

I've forgiven Power for the failures of Flitcroft and Brown. I won't be doing the same if Wellens fails.

Still, he deserves a chance and all that. Maybe it'll click for him here.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Power to people on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:00:31
#Swindon set to appoint Richie Wellens as new manager with Noel Hunt his assistant. #STFC Full story shortly #SSN

😢

I really hope it's not him, I know young managers have to be given a chance but we need someone who will inspire confidence, after the last 2 appointments, his record at Oldham was pretty poor


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:01:12
Let’s not forget when sky sources said Sheringham had the job.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: reeves4england on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:01:33
Hugely underwhelming, and obviously his one stint at Oldham didn't go too well. That said, they were in a mess offf the pitch at the time so I suppose we'll just have to hope this one comes off if true.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:02:11
Who exactly were we expecting?Someone amazing?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:03:58
That said, they were in a mess offf the pitch at the time

Good job that's no the case here then.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:04:14
Not the most inspiring appointment ever but can't be worse than PB.

Out of interest, why are people so annoyed about this? I get it's not glamorous or the person most would have chosen, but it's invoking some seriously strong reactions and I don't get it.
We are at the lowest position we have been in in my life time supporting the club. We are about to appoint a manager who got sacked at oldham and his assistant happens to be from guess where. Things are progressively getting worse


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:04:25
Wellens, now that doesn't inspire me with any confidence, but we don't know, he may work, he may not, we will see.

32% win ratio from 43 games isn't great. Oldham fans didn't really like him, he started well for them then got them relegated 35 games later.

I HOPED it would be someone better but he may fit here, horses for courses etc, some managers fit clubs, some clubs fit managers....he may fit perfectly.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:04:39
You're right about a lot of it is down to luck, right man, right place etc. 

But your analysis of outcomes is very shaky. Wise wsn't inexperienced,, he'd taken Millwall to a cup final, and into Europe.  Cooper wasn't inexperienced he'd had something like 200 game in management before us. Wilson worked up to a point, but he was culpable for leading us into Div 4 in 10/11.  Flitcroft didn't fail... he left us in a PO slot and comfortably clear of the sort of slide we're now experiencing.

Power is culpable for getting us into Div 4, his hope that we could "limp over the line" in 16/17 tells us tat.

Your taking inexperienced as having zero experience. Wise- Swindon Town was his first permanent managerial role- i don't class 2 years of player manager as fitting the profile of an experienced manager. Cooper was experienced below league level but im sure only had 1 season in the football league with pboro.

Wilson however is a very experienced gaffa and kept us up and then play off final before the sales of paynter and austin etc we rightly struggled. Id say his time here was a general success.

Flitcroft failed and he bailed. you don't know that we would have finished up in playoffs and looking at the state of the team performances and personel when he left im certain we wouldn't have.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:05:38
Who exactly were we expecting?Someone amazing?
I didn't expect us to sack a manager and turn to Richie Wellens that is for sure


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:06:14
Underwhelming appointment. Feels a bit Flitcroft lite (and not in weight). That's really saying something.

Not going to write him off but if he were to fail, then Power can fall on his sword.

I guess we're now "We Are Wellens Red & White Army", seems like a long time since I've a sang the R&W army chant followed by a booming "ESS TEE EFF SEE". It's been mostly "Ohh ffs you Effing C!".

I'm just going to depress myself aren't I? :hmmm:


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:07:02
Uninspiring

Won’t be writing the fella off before he’s set foot in the building though cos that’s idiotic


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:07:13
We are at the lowest position we have been in in my life time supporting the club. We are about to appoint a manager who got sacked at oldham and his assistant happens to be from guess where. Things are progressively getting worse

Exactly.

If you are going to take a risk on someone, take an up and coming Garrard type. Not someone who failed and got sacked in his one managerial appointment.

And the Waterford striker as his assistant. Jeez.

Quote
Not the most inspiring appointment ever but can't be worse than PB.

We are 17th when he took over. There is room for worse.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Processed Beats on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:07:17
Good god. This is awful.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:08:09
We are at the lowest position we have been in in my life time supporting the club. We are about to appoint a manager who got sacked at oldham and his assistant happens to be from guess where. Things are progressively getting worse

Who cares where our assistant is born?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:08:51
Power's been unlucky in the past with some decent appointments.

Maybe now he'll be lucky with an underwhelming appointment.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:11:22
Is it confirmed though or just "Sky Sources..." as they have been known to get things wrong.

No smoke without fire I guess :headhurts:


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:12:55
Well, he was a cracking bargain pick up in CM 01/02 (along with Michael Duff, coincidentally now Cheltenham manager). That's pretty much the only feeling I have about him either way, so we'll see how it goes.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:13:14
Who cares where our assistant is born?
You know what i mean. His current club


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:14:22
Well, he was a cracking bargain pick up in CM 01/02 (along with Michael Duff, coincidentally now Cheltenham manager). That's pretty much the only feeling I have about him either way, so we'll see how it goes.
Indeed he was, he had a flair rating of 19/20 so thats good enough for me.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:15:35
His win percentage is almost Hoddlesque compared to Brown's here!


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:17:56
His win percentage is almost Hoddlesque compared to Brown's here!
Phil Brown WR 31.3% from 32 games.
Richie Wellens WR 32.6% from 43 games.

On paper a like for like replacement.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: adje on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:20:18
Blimey,that high?I'm amazed


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:20:56
Blimey,that high?I'm amazed
Yeah there really isn't much in it TBH.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:21:02
It's all gone a bit weird.  Never was a fan of Brown, hopefully Reg will ping a post were I said otherwise, but I never liked the guy given his background.  It might be wrong to do so, but for me he was wrapped up in the Big Sam School, never a good thing.

No idea what to think if Wellens is the man, seems a very odd one, and the timing would have suggested a plan in place.  Does he own some racehorses or a Training Ground construction company or something.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:22:21
Gotta give the fella a chance.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RJack on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:22:33
Is the same Wellens who was dirty cheating fouling cunt who played for Blackpool? I hated that little fucker



Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:27:20
Quote from: RJack
Is the same Wellens who was dirty cheating fouling cunt who played for Blackpool? I hated that little fucker


yup. the one who Sammy Igoe got sent off, then admitted he'd "stayed down" to the press and got an FA charge!


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Bewster on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:31:34
Appointing Wellens is a bit like opening a present at Xmas and finding out you've got socks, exactly the same socks as you already have, which you hate, and they give you Aids.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:35:50
Glad I haven’t bought my tickets for Saturday yet.

They can fuck off.

If Power’s aim is to get us sustainable in the Conference this appointment makes perfect sense.

I asked earlier, just what criteria does Wellens meet to get our club off its arse?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Ginginho on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:36:03
Would love to hear from Power (about anything, in fact) on this appointment.

Let’s get behind him as he’s here now and needs our support.

Welcome, Richie and Noel 👍🏻


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:39:51
Actually, for a Manager who took a team like Oldham last season, his record isn't that bad.  Seems most stats ignore his caretaker spell where he won 4 and drew 1 game as well.  so, if the stats are right, won 18, drew 17 and lost 13 including cup games.  A lot of those draws and losses seem to be towards the end of the season as well, so hopefully the season finishes before he hits the bad run with us!  His departing message was to agree the time was right but to make mention of the squad gradually failing to cope with the demands - he might need to get with Power quickly to get January sorted if that is the case.  He won't be needing central midfielders though.

He also talked a lot of Power bullet points - style of play, developing young players blah blah.

Assuming it is him, obviously.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:40:34
Posts like these are meaningless without the "Just shows how far we've fallen" tagline Swindon fans have adopted in the past few months.

But yes you are right... Although my STFC 'mojo' is waining I still love watching live football. Managed to get a ticket in the away end at the Madejski for £20. 3 goals after 10 minutes, great value for money. Now Browns gone though I'll probably come to the next Town game (after throwing a right old strop post Cambridge) and support the new man.

Yeah, i get your point.  It wasn't meant as a typical "FB Group" type post, #Powerout, where has all the money gone and all that stuff..  I am was already on a downer with the club, have been for a good 3 or 4 years and then I just read through this thread, looking at the some of the posts and the names being touted and just posted my feelings.. 

I used to love following the town, and I miss caring, but seeing names like Wellens etc. being banded about just made me realise the club is unrecognisable from the club I grew up watching and from the days that I would check the adver and TEF before I did anything else in the day.  A new manager would have in the past lead me to having the TEF open all day constantly pressing F5, it couldn't be further from the truth now.. My days of owning a being a season ticket holder and looking forward to every Saturday are long gone.  I am desperate to get my mojo back, but every corner we turn I just feel like I am getting further away from that day.  It really is depressing, for me anyway, I know that is not te case for everyone.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:45:11
Actually, for a Manager who took a team like Oldham last season, his record isn't that bad.  Seems most stats ignore his caretaker spell where he won 4 and drew 1 game as well.  so, if the stats are right, won 18, drew 17 and lost 13 including cup games.  A lot of those draws and losses seem to be towards the end of the season as well, so hopefully the season finishes before he hits the bad run with us!  His departing message was to agree the time was right but to make mention of the squad gradually failing to cope with the demands - he might need to get with Power quickly to get January sorted if that is the case.  He won't be needing central midfielders though.

He also talked a lot of Power bullet points - style of play, developing young players blah blah.

Assuming it is him, obviously.
No Rob, the stats INCLUDE his caretaker role.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:46:23
Yep, thought it was odd when looking at it.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:47:08
So, 14,16,13.

They won 1, drew 1 and lost 7 before he took over it seems.  Something like that.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: DV Canio on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:47:33
Not the most inspiring appointment ever but can't be worse than PB.

Out of interest, why are people so annoyed about this? I get it's not glamorous or the person most would have chosen, but it's invoking some seriously strong reactions and I don't get it.

Im guess a 32% win record and a relegation in his only other job?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:48:35
Perhaps Power has only given him a 7 day contract.

Just how underwhelmed must the players be if the fans are in prime wrist slashing mode.

It just smacks of zero ambition.

The decline continues.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:48:58
As Reg would point out,if he replicated his Oldham performances with us, he'd do enough to keep us up.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Sir red ken on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:49:29
I'm here with my head in my hands, how much fucking worse can LP make our club. Anyone who's free should be our new club motto, along with some latin transcript nonleagueus maximus. Its just a joke, I'm almost lost for words. Shocking appointment like all the other from our leader. Everytime I get a little excited at the possibility we may have turned a corner it doesn't last 24 hrs. January and well be looking again for another free signing manager, whilst only being a couple of places and points off the drop zone. Is the chairman after another, gone down ballon payment, to keep us going? Grim, just fucking grim.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:49:31

They won 1, drew 1 and lost 7 before he took over it seems.  Something like that.

That helps put it in context. I was under the impression from Oldham fans that he (massivley) underperformed, but maybe that's not the case.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: DV Canio on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:49:44
In fairness as Reg will probably tell us, Wellens has experience of getting a club relegated which is exactly what we need right now.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:51:09
As Reg would point out,if he replicated his Oldham performances with us, he'd do enough to keep us up.

It's the only thing left to hope for this season


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: DV Canio on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:51:14
It will have gone in as favourite because someone put £5 on it. If Richie Welles’s is our new manager I’ll eat my own dick

...


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:53:12
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Ed

@OAFCEd
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Wellens got Oldham playing good football when he first took over. We have an absolute charlatan of an owner who hadn’t paid the players on time for the whole of last season. The pitch went to shit and there were internal conflicts. He wasn’t the reason we went down.  #stfc


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:54:12
Is Hunt here as player/coach? He’ll fit in well with the rest of the cast of Last of the Summer Wine.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:55:05
Fortunately, I couldn't watch the FA Cup game and spent yesterday in Atlanta watching them beat NYCFC (impressive stadium and fans, 70000+), so missed all this and didn't have chance to get any hopes raised.  As far as my mind is concerned Brown would still be in charge, so I remain as underwhelmed as I was on Friday with life STFC, never getting the several hours others have had to raise those hopes.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:56:46
There's actually quite a few Oldham fans on the internet speaking out in favour of Wellens.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: DV Canio on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:57:27
There's actually quite a few Oldham fans on the internet speaking out in favour of Wellens.

I bet Southend fans did the same about Brown?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:58:34
I bet Southend fans did the same about Brown?

Nope, they were pretty clear, he'll stack your team with midfielders and games will become dull affairs.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:58:50
This is quite a good read- Wellens speaking about his time as Oldham manager.

https://t.co/L1qfVQ5cJe?amp=1


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:58:58
I bet Southend fans did the same about Brown?

I bet some did, but Brown underperformed here going by his previous track record. We should not have expected greatness from him, but it should still have been better than it was.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 12, 2018, 14:59:53
There's actually quite a few Oldham fans on the internet speaking out in favour of Wellens.
When I went on their forum to look when he was sacked in June I saw no evidence of that, maye have been some but all I saw was "too little too late" when he was sacked.
I bet Southend fans did the same about Brown?
There were indeed a few supporting him despite poor performances.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, November 12, 2018, 15:00:40
BBC Wiltshire Sport

@BBCWiltsSport
 2m2 minutes ago
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BREAKING : @bbcwiltssport understands @Official_STFC will appoint Richie Wellens & Noel Hunt astheir new management team.  Phil Brown
& Neil McDonald were sacked yesterday #stfc


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, November 12, 2018, 15:01:26
Appointing Wellens is a bit like opening a present at Xmas and finding out you've got socks, exactly the same socks as you already have, which you hate, and they give you Aids.

My thoughts exactly... But...the socks are off my mum and I have to constantly thank her and be grateful.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 12, 2018, 15:01:54
Lets hope he plays a 2-3-5 in his first game in charge, something a bit retro and different.  It would probably work as well, different seems to do well in football.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, November 12, 2018, 15:03:07
Underwhelming but did we expect anything else...

Apart from Ling its all been a bit shit, I hope enough shit has been thrown at the wall to stick this time.

I will be there Saturday, to witness the next chapter........


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Sippo on Monday, November 12, 2018, 15:04:45
I love it how fans are saying that Lee Power wants us to get relegated.

I doubt that very much.

Fans wanted a change. They get change, and still moan. In all fairness, who else was there to appoint?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Monday, November 12, 2018, 15:07:45
Shrewsbury have just sacked their manager, it looks like it's that time of year.

I guess we know where Paul Hurst is going then..


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, November 12, 2018, 15:08:32
Not exactly an overwhelming appointment but we are currently the 8th worst team in the English leagues so there was unlikely to be a list of football genius managers likely to come here.

I wonder what kind of football RW likes to play. If Power will give him some money to strengthen the squad in January etc?

Too easy to moan and say 'shit manager, shit appointment'. Lets give him a chance and see what he can do. Hopefully he will come in with some new ideas and we can get a few wins at home and get the buzz back at the CG.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: DV Canio on Monday, November 12, 2018, 15:08:56
I don’t think Power wants us to get relegated but I don’t think he’d throw any extra resources into a relegation battle to make sure we stayed up.

If the plan was to sack Brown & appoint Wellens I’d rather we’d just spent the Brown pay off money on a striker.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Monday, November 12, 2018, 15:09:35
By all accounts he tries to play an expansive, pressing style of football.

https://www.coachesvoice.com/best-laid-plans-oldham-wellens/


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 12, 2018, 15:11:55
Shrewsbury have just sacked their manager, it looks like it's that time of year.

I guess we know where Paul Hurst is going then..
Swindon, Wimbledon and Shrewsbury all sacked in the space of 24 hours. 2 of those teams won and the other drew on Saturday, thats a weird statistic.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 12, 2018, 15:13:40
Too easy to moan and say 'shit manager, shit appointment'. Lets give him a chance and see what he can do.
Fuck off mate, thats not the Swindon way ;)


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, November 12, 2018, 15:13:51
Maybe some insight here into what to expect.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/oldham-athletic-richie-wellens-latics-14835937

He'll probably need to hit the ground running as it doesn't look as if there is going to be much of a 'honeymoon period'.

All managerial appointments have an element of risk regardless of previous records or level of experience.

Good luck to the guy. Yet another brave new world to look forward to on Saturday.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 12, 2018, 15:15:21
Quote from: Flashheart
There's actually quite a few Oldham fans on the internet speaking out in favour of Wellens.

and also quite a few:

Lost count how many times Wellens played people out of position,  must be a clueless management trait

---
let's hope the positive posts are more right then the negative


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, November 12, 2018, 15:19:50
Can't get over how shit the TEF is about this. We're 18th in the 4th Division and you're already laying the boot into the new man. It's not like we're boxing above our weight is it?

By chance, I heard him on the World Service Sportsworld programme a couple of weeks back and he sounded pretty articulate, said that he'd rebuilt unity in a divided dressing-room, turned things around playing attractive football, then they got injuries and the pitch went to mud in the winter and no-one adapted well. Which seems to be pretty much what the fans said.

Like any new signing, he's got my support until I've got evidence to the contrary. And usually for a bit after that too.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Monday, November 12, 2018, 15:19:55
It will have gone in as favourite because someone put £5 on it. If Richie Welles’s is our new manager I’ll eat my own dick

I look forward to a mod changing your user title any time now...


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Nijholts Nuts on Monday, November 12, 2018, 15:22:38
At very least we can all look forward to a very similar thread of conjecture and different Sheenas in May.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 12, 2018, 15:35:37
In fairness as Reg will probably tell us, Wellens has experience of getting a club relegated which is exactly what we need right now.

Wellens got Oldham down in Div 3.... it's a bit more difficult in Div 4 with only 2 down.  As I pointed out he did get an initial decent bounce with Latics, if he can replicate something similar here we should be OK.  He'll be doing well though for that to happen....


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Monday, November 12, 2018, 15:40:46
I suppose we're the equivalent of a Southern Oldham.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, November 12, 2018, 15:44:34
Well, I've seen enough to make me think it isn't as bad an appointment as on face value. I'm feeling a bit better about it.

You'd better have this one right, Power.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 12, 2018, 15:46:16
I suppose we're the equivalent of a Southern Oldham.
We have both been on a similar downward rollercoaster path since the Premier League days although they average just over 4k attendances and ours is around 50% higher.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 12, 2018, 15:50:09
Well, I've seen enough to make me think it isn't as bad an appointment as on face value. I'm feeling a bit better about it.

You'd better have this one right, Power.
Power’s previous appointments at least had some logic behind them. Cooper already in place and seen as pliable - Ditto Williams. Ling was a punt purely for health reasons.

Flitcroft had got a club promoted from L2 and Brown had years of experience and some success.

How on earth did he come by Wellens? Sounds very much like a ‘mate recommended him’ appointment.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 12, 2018, 15:50:31
Can't get over how shit the TEF is about this. We're 18th in the 4th Division and you're already laying the boot into the new man. It's not like we're boxing above our weight is it?

By chance, I heard him on the World Service Sportsworld programme a couple of weeks back and he sounded pretty articulate, said that he'd rebuilt unity in a divided dressing-room, turned things around playing attractive football, then they got injuries and the pitch went to mud in the winter and no-one adapted well. Which seems to be pretty much what the fans said.

Like any new signing, he's got my support until I've got evidence to the contrary. And usually for a bit after that too.

Well he won't have the excuse of a shit pitch here... and as WB said, he won't get a honeymon period.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 12, 2018, 15:52:57
Power’s previous appointments at least had some logic behind them. Cooper already in place and seen as pliable - Ditto Williams. Ling was a punt purely for health reasons.

Flitcroft had got a club promoted from L2 and Brown had years of experience and some success.

How on earth did he come by Wellens? Sounds very much like a ‘mate recommended him’ appointment.
Courtney Duffus loan from Oldham to Waterford, I am sure Mr Power had to deal with Wellens as he was manager there at the time.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 12, 2018, 15:54:09
We have both been on a similar downward rollercoaster path since the Premier League days although they average just over 4k attendances and ours is around 50% higher.

Oldham do pretty well to get that many given the proximity of Prem clubs and the divided nature of the place..


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, November 12, 2018, 15:57:00
Well he won't have the excuse of a shit pitch here... and as WB said, he won't get a honeymon period.

Might well have been one of the attractions for him. The pitch is the only part of the current set-up that's above our station.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 12, 2018, 16:04:53
Might well have been one of the attractions for him. The pitch is the only part of the current set-up that's above our station.

Wellens is probably one of those who needs a job, and let's face it with a relegation as your only experience on the CV, that isn't likely to attract too many takers.

Of course it's a worry, because if he fucks this one up it's non league for us... unless we can rely of Macc and presently Cheltnumb to be even worse.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Monday, November 12, 2018, 16:14:35
I look forward to a mod changing your user title any time now...

Bogus Dick?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Monday, November 12, 2018, 16:14:47
Wellens is probably one of those who needs a job, and let's face it with a relegation as your only experience on the CV, that isn't likely to attract too many takers.

Of course it's a worry, because if he fucks this one up it's non league for us... unless we can rely of Macc and presently Cheltnumb to be even worse.
You are going to have one hell of a party when we eventually go down aren't you?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, November 12, 2018, 16:16:16
Oldham do pretty well to get that many given the proximity of Prem clubs and the divided nature of the place..

I have spent a fair bit of time in Oldham, despite what you may have read its not like Belfast....


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, November 12, 2018, 16:16:49
You are going to have one hell of a party when we eventually go down aren't you?

Its going to need more Baby Oil that's for sure.....


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Monday, November 12, 2018, 16:21:44
I don’t think Power wants us to get relegated but I don’t think he’d throw any extra resources into a relegation battle to make sure we stayed up.

If the plan was to sack Brown & appoint Wellens I’d rather we’d just spent the Brown pay off money on a striker.

Agreed


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: DV Canio on Monday, November 12, 2018, 16:22:01
Bogus Dick?

Dickless Dave?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: FormerlyPlymRed on Monday, November 12, 2018, 16:25:21
Had a read of what Oldham fans have said, about the situation he inherited at Oldham and then the problems with embargoes, style of play etc.

It may not be a blow your socks off appointment but I don't think it's as horrific as some people are shouting. Flitcroft/Brown were both "names" and look how they did.

Give the guy a chance.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Monday, November 12, 2018, 16:25:48
Its going to need more Baby Oil that's for sure.....
I'm buying shares in Kleenex as a hedge


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Monday, November 12, 2018, 16:27:04
Its going to need more Baby Oil that's for sure.....


I had a full cup of tea you fucker!  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, November 12, 2018, 16:45:36
I'm here with my head in my hands, how much fucking worse can LP make our club. Anyone who's free should be our new club motto, along with some latin transcript nonleagueus maximus. Its just a joke, I'm almost lost for words. Shocking appointment like all the other from our leader. Everytime I get a little excited at the possibility we may have turned a corner it doesn't last 24 hrs. January and well be looking again for another free signing manager, whilst only being a couple of places and points off the drop zone. Is the chairman after another, gone down ballon payment, to keep us going? Grim, just fucking grim.
Agree 100%,  Is Power deliberately trying to get us into the conference ?.   Have given him the benefit of doubt up to now,  if it works I'll hold my hands up,  but at the present time I can only see a further downhill spiral.   Looks like this was obviously already a done deal,  he obviously didn't expect us to beat York.    Will continue to support the club, but how can you continue to back a chairman with this amount of ambition ?. Can't see attendaces increasing with this appointment.   Total suicide IMO.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 12, 2018, 16:49:01
You are going to have one hell of a party when we eventually go down aren't you?

Look at the Conference South, could be quite appetising"

You have the GWR derbies - Bath & Chippenham
Something to appeal to a global audience with a game against Slough, which could invoke a one off Office Special
The real A420 Debry
Fitton would have loved the Hungerford games
Gloucester City should be much more winnable than the games against their near neighbours seem to be, although Reg would miss those, so hopefully they follow us down
And Torquay can swap anecdotes about dodgy Speedway Stadium developers


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, November 12, 2018, 16:49:17
Richie Wellens will get us into the playoffs as a minimum this srason. Quote me on it, dick or no dick


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, November 12, 2018, 16:51:55
Can anyone come up with a single name (has to be remotely realistic of course) that anyone else would find anything other then 'underwhelming'? I doubt it.

I'm not commenting on Richie Wellens as I know nothing about him.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Power to people on Monday, November 12, 2018, 16:53:14
Wasn't Noel Hunt recently at Waterford, so a cheap No 2 already on Power's payroll


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 12, 2018, 16:53:26
So Noel Hunt is still playing is he?  I was confused on the link with Wellens, but see Hunt was recruited as Player Assistant Manager at Waterford (I might have missed conversation on this).


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, November 12, 2018, 16:56:03
Can anyone come up with a single name (has to be remotely realistic of course) that anyone else would find anything other then 'underwhelming'? I doubt it.

I'm not commenting on Richie Wellens as I know nothing about him.
You've obviously not read any of the previous posts,  plenty of suggestions there -  And reports on Wellens previous experiences.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:02:30
I look forward to a mod changing your user title any time now...

Boneless Dave?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:02:58
Has it actually officially been announced, Adver still got nothing beyond this?

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/17217821.favourite-richie-wellens-keen-on-swindon-town-managerial-vacancy-the-swindon-advertiser-understand/


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:03:35
Quote from: Bogus Dave
Richie Wellens will get us into the playoffs as a minimum this srason. Quote me on it, dick or no dick


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:06:17
I'm buying shares in Kleenex as a hedge

I understand Kleenex shares have soared in the last 24 hours.....


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: ronnie21 on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:06:33
Dont understand why so many are throwing their toys out of the pram!  It is not an awe inspiring appointment I agree, but neither have performances under Brown.  As for people saying they will not attend again I think we have been down that route before.  Give the guys a few games before the knives are out, I for one would have preferred to have seem a more high profile manager but we are not in the position to attract that kind of appointment.  The four of us will be there on Saturday in our usual seats to witness the first game under them.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:07:35
I'm actually warming to it.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: ronnie21 on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:10:34
 :lovers: :lovers: At least Hodgetts will have somebody new to wank over!


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: sir windon on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:11:49
BBC seem pretty confident it's Wellens then.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46182174


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:12:06
Look at the Conference South, could be quite appetising"

You have the GWR derbies - Bath & Chippenham
Something to appeal to a global audience with a game against Slough, which could invoke a one off Office Special
The real A420 Debry
Fitton would have loved the Hungerford games
Gloucester City should be much more winnable than the games against their near neighbours seem to be, although Reg would miss those, so hopefully they follow us down
And Torquay can swap anecdotes about dodgy Speedway Stadium developers

No guarantee, we'd get Conference S, both Oxford City and Gloucester have had recent spells in Conference N.  Depends on who else is there.

There's a little niggle in the back of my head about Wellens when he played against us...  :hmmm: Venkman?

Just got it... reading back.... cheers RJack.  Reeeves described him as up his own arse.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:12:44
Dont understand why so many are throwing their toys out of the pram!  It is not an awe inspiring appointment I agree, but neither have performances under Brown.  As for people saying they will not attend again I think we have been down that route before.  Give the guys a few games before the knives are out, I for one would have preferred to have seem a more high profile manager but we are not in the position to attract that kind of appointment.  The four of us will be there on Saturday in our usual seats to witness the first game under them.

One of the more measured and sensible responses, and echoes how I feel. Flitcroft and Brown had things on paper that we want, and they were both shite. PB was a great appointment on paper, but on grass he was clueless.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: normy on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:13:38
I'll still be there with my ST no matter who the manager is.  It will be interesting.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:15:21
Quote from: Flashheart
I'm actually warming to it.

would you be shocked to hear I'm not?!

I know it could work out. but it's a massive gamble with our league status.

I don't think we'll go down this season. Didn't think we would under Brown either.  It's next season that we'll know what he's got ...


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: sir windon on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:15:30
Another northern journeyman takes the helm. What does this remind me of? What can possibly go wrong?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:17:59
Another northern journeyman takes the helm. What does this remind me of? What can possibly go wrong?

Journeyman?

He's only managed one club previously.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: suttonred on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:19:53
Interesting. Young and hopefully made all his learning curve balls ups at Oldham and we reap the benefit. Who wants a first time surgeon?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:20:27
I am was already on a downer with the club, have been for a good 3 or 4 years and then I just read through this thread, looking at the some of the posts and the names being touted and just posted my feelings.. 

I used to love following the town, and I miss caring, but seeing names like Wellens etc. being banded about just made me realise the club is unrecognisable from the club I grew up watching and from the days that I would check the adver and TEF before I did anything else in the day.  A new manager would have in the past lead me to having the TEF open all day constantly pressing F5, it couldn't be further from the truth now.. My days of owning a being a season ticket holder and looking forward to every Saturday are long gone.  I am desperate to get my mojo back, but every corner we turn I just feel like I am getting further away from that day.  It really is depressing, for me anyway, I know that is not te case for everyone.


Great post Bernie. Not fallen as low as you yet, so I'm redeemable. But I can see why you've got to where you have.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:27:21
Interesting. Young and hopefully made all his learning curve balls ups at Oldham and we reap the benefit. Who wants a first time surgeon?

Bloody hell, he's not fixing Doughty as well is he.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: DV Canio on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:37:36
Can anyone come up with a single name (has to be remotely realistic of course) that anyone else would find anything other then 'underwhelming'? I doubt it.

I'm not commenting on Richie Wellens as I know nothing about him.

Whilst Wellens has only had one job, so doesn’t quite fit into the same mould...

I want someone different; someone who hasn’t been around the block and failed multiple times. Someone who has retired, stayed in the game and has been slowly learning their trade at a decent level who wants a first time crack at management. Someone who played at the top level and thus had to keep to very high standards of diet & training

It would also be nice to have someone with a bit of authority & fear factor.




Appreciate that isn’t a name and very wishful thinking - when looking around for people who could potentially fit that description I found Big Duncan Ferguson. Now whether he’d ever want to leave Everton to have a crack at management I don’t know.

He’d certainly take no shit!


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Ticker45 on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:39:49
I'll still be there with my ST no matter who the manager is.  It will be interesting.

This.

Got to say that my enthusiasm has waned of late and bit fed up with all the comments over the pub from people who have not been in years telling me we are rubbish/crap/sh*te but they "support" ManU/City/Lverpool/Chelsea/Arsenal etc. etc., so if it can be turned around then I would be very happy.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:48:07
Appreciate that isn’t a name and very wishful thinking - when looking around for people who could potentially fit that description I found Big Duncan Ferguson. Now whether he’d ever want to leave Everton to have a crack at management I don’t know.

Imagine the phone ins...

"What is your favourite cheese?"
"Fuck off"


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: DV Canio on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:49:51
Imagine the phone ins...

"What is your favourite cheese?"
"Fuck off"

Sounds good to me


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:49:55
Whilst Wellens has only had one job, so doesn’t quite fit into the same mould...

I want someone different; someone who hasn’t been around the block and failed multiple times. Someone who has retired, stayed in the game and has been slowly learning their trade at a decent level who wants a first time crack at management. Someone who played at the top level and thus had to keep to very high standards of diet & training

It would also be nice to have someone with a bit of authority & fear factor.




Appreciate that isn’t a name and very wishful thinking - when looking around for people who could potentially fit that description I found Big Duncan Ferguson. Now whether he’d ever want to leave Everton to have a crack at management I don’t know.

He’d certainly take no shit!

Trouble is with the likes of DF, he gets paid probably 4x what he would get here for doing little with no pressure.  When you look at him on the bench... it's almost like Kenwright and co are too scared to sack him.

John Terry, seems to be lining himself up for a similar gig.  Does Wellens have the necessary hunger to put in the hours watching non league players etc?   It's one thing talking up your credentials another doing it.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:52:09
I have no doubt Wellens will put the hours in/work hard


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:54:09
As with everything STFC related, I am always minded to await official confirmation before getting too excited. However, I do feel Wellens would be a sensible appointment. He’s probably looking at us as a possible stepping stone to return to League 1 - should he keep us up I expect he’ll attract interest from teams above us in the pyramid. It makes sense all round seeing as we are bringing in a gaffer with experience of a relegation battle and being at the helm of a basket case club.

Hunt as chief cone gatherer is an interesting one....I had hoped for Paul Jewell, a proper football man, but given Power has paid off two contracts I think I was always being slightly optimistic.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:56:55
As with everything STFC related, I am always minded to await official confirmation before getting too excited. However, I do feel Wellens would be a sensible appointment. He’s probably looking at us as a possible stepping stone to return to League 1 - should he keep us up I expect he’ll attract interest from teams above us in the pyramid. It makes sense all round seeing as we are bringing in a gaffer with experience of a relegation battle and being at the helm of a basket case club.

Hunt as chief cone gatherer is an interesting one....I had hoped for Paul Jewell, a proper football man, but given Power has paid off two contracts I think I was always being slightly optimistic.

 :)

 You're ITK Chang.... is this Noel Hunt, anything to do with Waterford or the fella who caused Cech to wear the rugby cap?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:57:42
:)

 You're ITK Chang.... is this Noel Hunt, anything to do with Waterford or the fella who caused Cech to wear the rugby cap?

That was Stephen Hunt


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Pax Romana on Monday, November 12, 2018, 17:58:44
Glad PB is gone.

Surprised with appointment but his limited experience to-date (and at a struggling club) surely doesn't give anyone enough evidence to declare that he is demonstrably useless?  The opposite is equally true of course, but the current Swindon setup was never going to be able to appoint a proven winner.

Hopefully Power has seen some potential there and come up with an inspired choice.  What harm does it do us to think positive and give him a chance as well as our support?

  


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Monday, November 12, 2018, 18:02:49
:)

 You're ITK Chang.... is this Noel Hunt, anything to do with Waterford or the fella who caused Cech to wear the rugby cap?
He’s at Waterford so already on Power’s payroll. Wigan wanted to keep him at the end of last season, which would suggest he should do a job in League 2 if called upon.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 12, 2018, 18:03:00
That was Stephen Hunt

Cheers.... Noel's his bro then.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Monday, November 12, 2018, 18:04:53
Whilst Wellens has only had one job, so doesn’t quite fit into the same mould...

I want someone different; someone who hasn’t been around the block and failed multiple times. Someone who has retired, stayed in the game and has been slowly learning their trade at a decent level who wants a first time crack at management. Someone who played at the top level and thus had to keep to very high standards of diet & training

It would also be nice to have someone with a bit of authority & fear factor.

He’d certainly take no shit!

The kind of description you give reminds of a certain John Terry. Maybe if we were L1 he'd have been an option to snag from Villa. Only thing is with JT, I imagine he'd be off as soon as a higher club came sniffing. After lifting the FL Trophy in his kit, of course :)


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Ardiles on Monday, November 12, 2018, 18:09:48
Journeyman?

He's only managed one club previously.

Short journeyman.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 12, 2018, 18:09:50
He’s at Waterford so already on Power’s payroll. Wigan wanted to keep him at the end of last season, which would suggest he should do a job in League 2 if called upon.

You have to hand it to Power, we all expected some sort of internal, and we got one.... and he can multi task by playing, clever.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 12, 2018, 18:12:38
Hunt seems to be plying his playing trade still, having been accused of standing on a players head earlier in the season.  Could probably do with a bit of that.  Wellens has not long hung his boots up as well, but we have plenty in his old role.

Hunt has not been in the squad the last couple of weeks, maybe getting ready?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: CMT82 on Monday, November 12, 2018, 18:20:08
May as well bring his boots!


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 12, 2018, 18:32:16
I have no doubt Wellens will put the hours in/work hard

I've really no idea.... one of the things which struck me with Flitcroft, was that he was definitely norvern in character, and knew that scene very well.  The Oldham/Bury/Rochdale/Accy/Blackburn/Bolton run, using drop outs from Manc academies, a bit like Wellens in fact.

I did think he might find the cultural change difficult... and that apparently came to pass.  We tend to get our players from more southen/London based clubs, as often they won't want to move due to costs and short term contracts etc.

We'll have to see how norvern Wellens is....but this makes him look a bit suspect  :)

http://www.swindon-town-fc.co.uk/MatchCentre.asp?Tab=Video&MatchID=20040129

Quality McMahon wobbling out on the pitch like Kurtz up the Congo, and nice to see the faithful getting a bit of pitch invading celebrating a point in the north.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, November 12, 2018, 18:37:27
looking forward to hearing him talk, id given up with the season with brown- hit and miss every week.

7 points from playoffs, still in 2 cups. every chance this could be turned around and have some fun this season.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 12, 2018, 18:47:39
looking forward to hearing him talk, id given up with the season with brown- hit and miss every week.

7 points from playoffs, still in 2 cups. every chance this could be turned around and have some fun this season.

This is one of the areas where Power falls down... why not have a meet and greet session down the CG for the new gaffer, where he can outline his thoughts and then answer questions.

I remember this happening when McMahon was appointed.... after the questions I thought he was going to smack me one as he got redder and angrier.  I sought him out during the informal drinks session, at the end just to check that I hadn't offended him  :)

Iffy once did one also, although he may have subbed for King, so it was all about youth development.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, November 12, 2018, 19:02:04
This is one of the areas where Power falls down... why not have a meet and greet session down the CG for the new gaffer, where he can outline his thoughts and then answer questions.

I remember this happening when McMahon was appointed.... after the questions I thought he was going to smack me one as he got redder and angrier.  I sought him out during the informal drinks session, at the end just to check that I hadn't offended him  :)

Iffy once did one also, although he may have subbed for King, so it was all about youth development.

im quite certain that clubs have press conferences where such conversations can happen. dont need an open day mid season


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Sippo on Monday, November 12, 2018, 19:22:06
Has it been confirmed yet by the club?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Monday, November 12, 2018, 19:33:24
Has it been confirmed yet by the club?
A quick glance of the official site tells us no.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 12, 2018, 19:34:39
im quite certain that clubs have press conferences where such conversations can happen. dont need an open day mid season

An open day is a different beast altogether, having one in the pre-season would be an idea though. I recall fondly Mike Spearman and Ray Hardman doing one in about 94.

They wanted the personal touch, so were showing little groups around the CG themselves.... the problem was there were queues off down County Road past Notton's cafe of disgruntled fans.  :)

I managed to wheedle my way in without the ground tour,  ready to see Joey Beauchamp be unveiled to the adoring masses, his missus literally shoving out the door... poor bugger.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 12, 2018, 19:35:03
A quick glance of the official site tells us no.

We don't need the official site, just tell us how the first training session went will you.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: cdakev on Monday, November 12, 2018, 19:39:45
Well last night i was a bit deflated when i heard it was going to be Wellens, however now i have time to take it in, let's give the bloke a chance. Hopefully he will do well. Bloody hope so !


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, November 12, 2018, 19:41:57
The more I think about it, the more I think he will do well.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 12, 2018, 19:42:08
A quick glance of the official site tells us no.

We'll still be managerless Swindon Town on tonight's draw then.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Trashbat? on Monday, November 12, 2018, 20:30:23
Not sure if it has already been posted or not, but I saw this on twitter from an Oldham fan. It certainly looks like their chairman didn't exactly help things last season.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5808305/The-story-Oldham-Athletics-financial-troubles-mystifying-transfers-unpaid-wages.html



Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Sir red ken on Monday, November 12, 2018, 20:47:23
Not sure if it has already been posted or not, but I saw this on twitter from an Oldham fan. It certainly looks like their chairman didn't exactly help things last season.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5808305/The-story-Oldham-Athletics-financial-troubles-mystifying-transfers-unpaid-wages.html


It looks like our chairman didn't help things for us last season,its not looking to good this season either!
There's some serious turd polishing going on with this appointment, but there's still the strong smell of shit.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 12, 2018, 20:50:27
Not sure if it has already been posted or not, but I saw this on twitter from an Oldham fan. It certainly looks like their chairman didn't exactly help things last season.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5808305/The-story-Oldham-Athletics-financial-troubles-mystifying-transfers-unpaid-wages.html



Despite their basket casery, they're still above us in the league... as are Charlton, Blackpool,and Cov who are also reckoned to be badly run.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Sir red ken on Monday, November 12, 2018, 20:55:44
Despite their basket casery, they're still above us in the league... as are Charlton, Blackpool,and Cov who are also reckoned to be badly run.
Good point Reg, we keep going on about how bad other clubs are run but look at our own.What a fucking car crash.
We're changing our manager every 6 months, not a well run club to be doing that are we.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 12, 2018, 21:58:36
How many have Watford had in the past 5 years?  This consistency things is not all it's cracked up to be these days.  I reckon radical change every 6 months might just be a solution.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, November 12, 2018, 22:02:49
Are either Taylor or Richards older than  our new leader?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, November 12, 2018, 22:08:06
Good point Reg, we keep going on about how bad other clubs are run but look at our own.What a fucking car crash.
We're changing our manager every 6 months, not a well run club to be doing that are we.

flitcroft left us.
Brown deserved to be sacked.

Criticised for failing to act decisively and then when he acts decisively criticised for changing managers every 6 months.

Easy this job isn't it


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: cheltred69 on Monday, November 12, 2018, 22:10:16
Are either Taylor or Richards older than  our new leader?
No, he's 18 months older than Taylor and over 2 years on Richards.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Sir red ken on Monday, November 12, 2018, 22:13:09
How many have Watford had in the past 5 years?  This consistency things is not all it's cracked up to be these days.  I reckon radical change every 6 months might just be a solution.
It might be if you want to look at our success. Its working brilliantly.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 10:21:59
flitcroft left us.
Brown deserved to be sacked.

Criticised for failing to act decisively and then when he acts decisively criticised for changing managers every 6 months.

Easy this job isn't it

And Ling left for health reasons, plus we have a couple of caretakers in the mix, its not great but it not the shitstorm being portrayed by those clutching at straws.

I was thinking last night about this widely held view that Power only wants cash and wants us relegated, in simple terms if that were the case why has he spent cash getting rid of two staff members who were heading towards achieving his apparent objective.

In conclusion there is a lot of bollocks spouted on here....


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 10:31:12
I don't think we're anywhere near the mess off the field some would have us believe. In fact, I suspect we're probably in better shape than we have been for a long, long time. Granted, I don't actually know this but neither do those that claim otherwise.

If only some of the managerial appointments bore fruit, things would be looking much better and if you blame for Flitcroft, Brown or Ling then you're just being unreasonable. It's true that the buck stops with Power but he's made a much-needed change. Some people chose to moan about that as well, though. Some were moaning about us 'constantly' changing managers even before Wellen's name popped up. What the fuck is he supposed to do?

As for Wellens... It's about time Power had some luck where managers are concerned. I've got a feeling he can do a good job.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: 1989Monkey on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 10:32:45
Looking at Sky odds Wellens is drifting. Was 1/8 and now 2/7 with Noel Hunt shortening. If we are confident that it is Wellens then there is some money to be had but maybe Power is having some fun in wanting to see the fan meltdown


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 10:37:01
How many have Watford had in the past 5 years?  This consistency things is not all it's cracked up to be these days.  I reckon radical change every 6 months might just be a solution.

Watford follow what might be called the European model.... namely the recruitment is largely done by a D o F, then handed over to a coach. If the coach is no good,  you sack him and get another one.  Power tried it with Luke and effectively himself as DoF, then Tactics. 

Where he failed so badly was not only with recruitment, but not sacking Luke more or less straight away as it was clear, he was way out of his depth.

TBF Power then saw the error, and so let Flitcroft get on and manage, which he did reasonably succesfully, halting the slide and getting us in a PO slot, before bailing. Brown seemed a continuation albeit with a reduced budget, which has created the current problems with FL status under threat.

So Wellens, will he be given carte blanche, or is it back to Power interferring  :hmmm:

The appointment of Hunt, very much suggests the latter..... and given that Wellens was sufficiently glad of an opportunity that he could put up with the Morrocan agent, suggests similar here.  Maybe Wellens gets it til the end of the season, if he keeps us up, paid a bonus, if we're relegated then a change for Conference football next year.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 10:44:52
widely held view that Power only wants cash and wants us relegated

Is it that widely held? Surely those that think he has been dipping into transfer fees realise you make more money with better players. And better players tend towards higher league.

Though I suppose if his exit strategy is build houses and stables off the back of the training facility, then bugger off, it could be done in whatever league. Since the FC is bankrolling some of it you'd think decreased revenues makes it harder


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 10:46:39
Looking at Sky odds Wellens is drifting. Was 1/8 and now 2/7 with Noel Hunt shortening. If we are confident that it is Wellens then there is some money to be had but maybe Power is having some fun in wanting to see the fan meltdown

"BBC Wilts understands..." - comes from the horses mouth doesn't it? Can't see it not happening unless Wellens runs for the hills first look at T&Cs/transfer budget.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 10:49:48
I don't think we're anywhere near the mess off the field some would have us believe. In fact, I suspect we're probably in better shape than we have been for a long, long time. Granted, I don't actually know this but neither do those that claim otherwise.

If only some of the managerial appointments bore fruit, things would be looking much better and if you blame for Flitcroft, Brown or Ling then you're just being unreasonable. It's true that the buck stops with Power but he's made a much-needed change. Some people chose to moan about that as well, though. Some were moaning about us 'constantly' changing managers even before Wellen's name popped up. What the fuck is he supposed to do?

As for Wellens... It's about time Power had some luck where managers are concerned. I've got a feeling he can do a good job.

This won't be popular, but looking back....

Mark Cooper 2013–2015 - In post for c.2 years, did OK then things essentially ran their course, fans got on his back and Power responded and got rid.
Lee Power 2015 (caretaker) - Short term and a bit shambolic while tried to find someone.
Martin Ling 2015 - -Appointment that was welcomed by fans and seemed a really good fit, went to shit through no fault of anyone.
Luke Williams 2015–2017 - Would never have got the job if the Ling thing hadn't gone tits up, was an interesting and risky appointment, although could be said to address our fans clamour for young  upcoming managers, went tits up, fans got restless and sacked, although Power was possibly a bit too loyal in dragging it out*.
David Flitcroft 2017–2018 - Manager who had record of success in this division, given a budget and fucked off at the first availability;
Matt Taylor 2018 (player-caretaker) - Only one game, who knows, filled a gap.
Phil Brown 2018 - High profile and I imagine didn't come cheap, has record of success albeit a while back, allowed to bring staff in and also sign some players, hardly a cheap uninspiring option.

So out of that only 3 have been sacked and in every case at the time when the fans were calling for their head, then immediately slating Power for adhering to their calls.

BTW that's 7 managers in five years (Which is a bit shit but sadly par for the course in modern football), so looking back to the Black/Fitton era when everything was wonderful, that's also 5 years and we had 7 or 8 managers in that time, I don't recall the same level of fuss then?

* Interesting that many berate chairman of other clubs for being too trigger happy in that thread and then berate Power for not being so, its almost like the guy cannot win.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Sir red ken on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 10:52:11
Looking at Sky odds Wellens is drifting. Was 1/8 and now 2/7 with Noel Hunt shortening.
Neither of those managers inspire me, their non league types at best. STFC is heading for a cliff edge drop and I can't see any way that will change. Sad days for me,I supported the town through thick and thin since the 60's


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 10:54:55
I disagree with your Cooper assessment. I think there was meddling from Williams/Power, he had a strop, Power relented and handed over total control then hung him with his own rope at the first opportunity. I've based this on snippets of info I remember at the time.

To be fair, Cooper wasn't too bad; In fact excluding the caretakers I think Williams was his only major mess up. Even then it probably fitted his buy em cheap and stack em high recruitment policy.
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I do think thought that they are hamstrung by our constantly last minute recruitment. But that's another argument.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 10:55:20
Wellens confirmed (Twitter)

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2018/november/wellens-joins-as-new-manager/


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: 1989Monkey on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 10:58:13
Now lets get behind him!


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 10:58:45
Now lets get behind him!

Sadly for many that will be with a knife grasped in their hand.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:01:13
Wellens confirmed (Twitter)

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2018/november/wellens-joins-as-new-manager/

Some quotes and shit, although no scarf photo, just someone spraying all over the pitch...

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2018/november/wellens-joins-as-new-manager/


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: 1989Monkey on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:03:01
Sadly for many that will be with a knife grasped in their hand.

Unfortunately that is the nature of our fan base at present. This won’t be easy for him to begin with but he was a leader as a player and I expect a leader off the field. He will be delighted woth the talent we have in midfield and if he can sort the strikeforce out in January then we could have a sniff of the playoffs still


Title: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:07:10
I'm dead against this appointment as it stands. madness.

But you have to cut the guy some slack and give him the season to see what he's about.

It's going to be very difficult to significantly lift us before January with the squad we have.

I don't think we'll go down, so playing players in position, dropping non performers and injecting some pace and purpose to our attack is what I'll judge him on.

a last concern is that this is Power saying 'I've tried it with proper established managers, but it's not worked so it's back to the Swindon way (the Williams model)'. time will tell


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RJack on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:10:51
I'm dead against this appointment as it stands. madness.

But you have to cut the guy some slack and give him the season to see what he's about.

It's going to be very difficult to significantly lift us before January with the squad we have.

I don't think we'll go down, so playing players in position, dropping non performers and injecting some pace and purpose to our attack is what I'll judge him on.

a last concern is that this is Power saying 'I've tried it with proper established managers, but it's not worked so it's back to the Swindon way (the Williams model)'. time will tell

I agree with you Batch.

Personally if he hasn't got us promotion wrapped up to League One by end of January I'm going to boo the fuck out of him


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:11:05
I disagree with your Cooper assessment. I think there was meddling from Williams/Power, he had a strop, Power relented and handed over total control then hung him with his own rope at the first opportunity. I've based this on snippets of info I remember at the time.

To be fair, Cooper wasn't too bad; In fact excluding the caretakers I think Williams was his only major mess up. Even then it probably fitted his buy em cheap and stack em high recruitment policy.
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I do think thought that they are hamstrung by our constantly last minute recruitment. But that's another argument.

The one thing that fucked Power over more than any was the change in loan rules.... not being able to get in short term loans to paper the cracks of not having a decent squad, to cover injuries and suspensions.

In the Cooper/Ling/Williams season, we'd have gone but could get in an El-Abd, Louis, Gladwin. The following Willaims season, we couldn't and went down.

Last year Power stretched the budget a bit so the squad was better, but even then we'd have short periods of not having a full bench etc.

This season, with a reduced budget and something of an unbalanced squad, being able to get in a couple on short term loan woulld have been ideal.

Of course it's the same for all, which is why Div 3 and 4 owners, are lobbying for a change back to the old rules of emergency loans.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Sippo on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:12:49
I'm dead against this appointment as it stands. madness.

But you have to cut the guy some slack and give him the season to see what he's about.

It's going to be very difficult to significantly lift us before January with the squad we have.

I don't think we'll go down, so playing players in position, dropping non performers and injecting some pace and purpose to our attack is what I'll judge him on.

a last concern is that this is Power saying 'I've tried it with proper established managers, but it's not worked so it's back to the Swindon way (the Williams model)'. time will tell

Genuine question. Who would you have appointed?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:18:13
This won't be popular, but looking back....

Mark Cooper 2013–2015 - In post for c.2 years, did OK then things essentially ran their course, fans got on his back and Power responded and got rid.
Lee Power 2015 (caretaker) - Short term and a bit shambolic while tried to find someone.
Martin Ling 2015 - -Appointment that was welcomed by fans and seemed a really good fit, went to shit through no fault of anyone.
Luke Williams 2015–2017 - Would never have got the job if the Ling thing hadn't gone tits up, was an interesting and risky appointment, although could be said to address our fans clamour for young  upcoming managers, went tits up, fans got restless and sacked, although Power was possibly a bit too loyal in dragging it out*.
David Flitcroft 2017–2018 - Manager who had record of success in this division, given a budget and fucked off at the first availability;
Matt Taylor 2018 (player-caretaker) - Only one game, who knows, filled a gap.
Phil Brown 2018 - High profile and I imagine didn't come cheap, has record of success albeit a while back, allowed to bring staff in and also sign some players, hardly a cheap uninspiring option.

So out of that only 3 have been sacked and in every case at the time when the fans were calling for their head, then immediately slating Power for adhering to their calls.

BTW that's 7 managers in five years (Which is a bit shit but sadly par for the course in modern football), so looking back to the Black/Fitton era when everything was wonderful, that's also 5 years and we had 7 or 8 managers in that time, I don't recall the same level of fuss then?

* Interesting that many berate chairman of other clubs for being too trigger happy in that thread and then berate Power for not being so, its almost like the guy cannot win.

Out of all those, I think we can only really call Power at fault for Williams. Not so much for the appointment itself, but the handling of it (or lack thereof) when things needed fixing. I reckon we'd still be a L1 team (at least) had Power pulled the plug at the right time and appointed a proper manager (Not Sherwood).

Wellens is more of a risk, but I almost see him as an untried new manager.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:18:28
genuine answer, don't know. how can I answer that without knowing budget, managerial salary expectations and interested parties.

I'd persist with Brown if Richie Wellens is the best we can attract. I think power had it right in type of manager, just didn't work out. I assume we can't afford a safe pair of hands, which haas left us to a massive risk.

In fact its the risk that is the main issue. Oddly I'd be more at ease with this if we were in L1 with the L2 safety net.

Its akin to a tightrope walker doing another high rope with no safety net. Last time he fell off he says because the rope was wobbled by someone. This time its well secure so it'll be great. He may be right, but ...
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this shouldn't be confused with not hoping he does well. of course I do.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:20:21
I agree with you Batch.

Personally if he hasn't got us promotion wrapped up to League One by end of January I'm going to boo the fuck out of him

That's the opposite of what I said.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:21:29
Just need someone to get em to shoot, on target would be a bonus too.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:26:55

I assume we can't afford a safe pair of hands,

Brown was a safe pair of hands. At least he should have been. And Flitcroft.


Title: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:29:12
yeah, and we are still safe in division 4 . and I think we'll continue to be this season.

this has much more potential to blow up in our faces


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:32:01
It's a great gig for RW. I, like many, think this squad is better than 17th in L2. There's also a decent fanbase (despite the loud minority, but most of those are boycotting for one reason or another) desperate for some attacking football and one that should respond positively to a couple of wins and a bit of attacking threat.

Play high tempo, pressing football. Empower the young attacking players and believe in them, and let's see what happens between now and January.



Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:32:12
genuine answer, don't know. how can I answer that without knowing budget, managerial salary expectations and interested parties.

I'd persist with Brown if Richie Wellens is the best we can attract. I think power had it right in type of manager, just didn't work out. I assume we can't afford a safe pair of hands, which haas left us to a massive risk.

In fact its the risk that is the main issue. Oddly I'd be more at ease with this if we were in L1 with the L2 safety net.

Its akin to a tightrope walker doing another high rope with no safety net. Last time he fell off he says because the rope was wobbled by someone. This time its well secure so it'll be great. He may be right, but ...
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this shouldn't be confused with not hoping he does well. of course I do.

TBF to Power, Brown was pretty much on the knife edge... possibly he could have got a couple more games to try and show he was capable of turning the historically bad home form in Div 4, but little real evidence to show it was likely.

There is a possibilty we may get a bounce, but it doesn't always happen, as Michael Duff has shown at Numb, after they sacked their old head.   Saturday now becomes an even more horrible game... poor old Richie is going to get very little time to prepare.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:38:04
When his name first came up I was mightily pissed off - not through the guy himself but the seemingly shit level we have sunk to to only be able to attract this type of manager.

Then I looked a bit deeper into his season at Oldham and it seems no-one would have saved them  from relegation.

He might be a disaster - as any appointment could - but, give the fans 3 points on Saturday and a rare home win, and he'll get most on board.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:40:35
It could be that he overachieved at Oldham, they really were a box of frogs of a club at the time. Context is everything.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:41:14
but, give the fans 3 points on Saturday and a rare home win, and he'll get most on board.

He shouldn't be under that pressure. Its unrealistic to expect him to magic us into a good team overnight.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:42:31
I bet your missus dreads serving up your dinner every night Batch, you must give her a right earful.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:43:51
It could be that he overachieved at Oldham, they really were a box of frogs of a club at the time. Context is everything.

It could be. as supported by some Oldham fans comments.

Or it could be the fans that said he became an abrasive character that played odd formations with players out of position were right.

Point is, nobody knows. I genuinely hope you are right.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:44:55
He shouldn't be under that pressure. Its unrealistic to expect him to magic us into a good team overnight.
Do we actually have to be good to beat Carlisle.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:45:02
I bet your missus dreads serving up your dinner every night Batch, you must give her a right earful.

I make no apologies for at this time thinking Richie Wellens is a crap replacement for Brown.
Don't like it. Tough shit.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:48:53
Play high tempo, pressing football. Empower the young attacking players and believe in them, and let's see what happens between now and January.

This, but give him past January to judge.

Hopefully the first thing he realises is that Richards isn't a target man striker


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:48:59
I assume we can't afford a safe pair of hands, which haas left us to a massive risk.


But again this just doesn't stack up, Brown (a potentially safe pair of very tanned hands) will not have come cheap, he has the pedigree to ask a decent whack, then you have the costs of paying him and McDonald off, I cannot see any evidence that sacking him and appointing Wellans is a cheap or cost saving option.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: FormerlyPlymRed on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:50:21
Everyone has their own opinions but he's there and we've gotta get on with it regardless of how people feel.

Got my tickets for the next few games now I'm back living in Wiltshire, let's see what he can do.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:50:47
But again this just doesn't stack up, Brown (a potentially safe pair of very tanned hands) will not have come cheap, he has the pedigree to ask a decent whack, then you have the costs of paying him and McDonald off, I cannot see any evidence that sacking him and appointing Wellans is a cheap or cost saving option.

Fair comment.  I just asummed the budget isn't there for 2 x established manager salary. We don't know what Brown's contract looked like and don't know if he got much of a pay off I suppose.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:51:36
I'm dead against this appointment as it stands. madness.

But you have to cut the guy some slack and give him the season to see what he's about.

It's going to be very difficult to significantly lift us before January with the squad we have.

I don't think we'll go down, so playing players in position, dropping non performers and injecting some pace and purpose to our attack is what I'll judge him on.

a last concern is that this is Power saying 'I've tried it with proper established managers, but it's not worked so it's back to the Swindon way (the Williams model)'. time will tell

I'm a little surprised at this Batch and whilst I do agree it is a risky appointment getting any new manager in at this stage, but isn't it a risk not getting rid of Brown?

Lets face it, the performances under Brown are well below par, the football is dull, player selection and substitutions odd and the malaise at the CG was beginning to spread, which can't be healthy for anyone, least of all the players. On Saturday there were 2 occasions which summed up Brown's team. Conroy ambled forward, looked up for options, of which there were none and hit a shot from 30 yards, hitting the Townend roof. 5 minutes later, Wolf ambled forward, looked up.............same outcome cuing boos from the paying customers. Luckily York were poor and we managed to nick a win, papering over the cracks.

I think Power had to act to try and save the season. A new face a new start, a bit of an injection of excitement in the place.

I'm behind Wellens, realistically the list of managers we could bring in can't be long and given the quickness of the appointment was surely in the pipeline for a while now. Power has acted. Hopefully its a shot in the arm the club needs at the moment.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:51:52
This, but give him past January to judge.

Hopefully the first thing he realises is that Richards isn't a target man striker

Absolutely - just obviously in January there can be some player movement.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:52:00
Everyone has their own opinions but he's there and we've gotta get on with it regardless of how people feel.

Absolutely right. It is what it is. When I'm in the ground its to support.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:53:08
I make no apologies for at this time thinking Richie Wellens is a crap replacement for Brown.
Don't like it. Tough shit.

Unlike you to join the pitchfork brigade on the basis of very little evidence Batch. I had you down as someone who'd give a new manager a fair chance.

You alright?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:55:25
Fair comment.  I just asummed the budget isn't there for 2 x established manager salary. We don't know what Brown's contract looked like and don't know if he got much of a pay off I suppose.

Like this I imagine  ;)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/ContractLaw.jpg)


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:57:05
Absolutely right. It is what it is. When I'm in the ground its to support.

You haven't got a clue have you, you have to flounce a bit claim you are never going to attend ever again...



- and then quietly do so and hope no one notices.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 11:57:18
It's a great gig for RW. I, like many, think this squad is better than 17th in L2. There's also a decent fanbase (despite the loud minority, but most of those are boycotting for one reason or another) desperate for some attacking football and one that should respond positively to a couple of wins and a bit of attacking threat.

Play high tempo, pressing football. Empower the young attacking players and believe in them, and let's see what happens between now and January.



Sounds so easy doesn't it and sometimes funny things happen.... but mostly they don't. I'd guess you count Keshi and Kaiyne as young attackers. Is believing in them though enough, I'm sure all their gaffers have given instructions about being positive.

Yet both are 23.... Kaiyne has 8 career league goals... Keshi 11.  Don Rogers had around a hundred aged 23.  It's just as likely they'll never get any better at sticking the ball in the net. Which is why you go to the % game.... Brown could see that and so opted for playing that way in recent weeks.

Batch is right on the current situation.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 12:03:43
Sounds so easy doesn't it and sometimes funny things happen.... but mostly they don't. I'd guess you count Keshi and Kaiyne as young attackers. Is believing in them though enough, I'm sure all their gaffers have given instructions about being positive.

Yet both are 23.... Kaiyne has 8 career league goals... Keshi 11.  Don Rogers had around a hundred aged 23.  It's just as likely they'll never get any better at sticking the ball in the net. Which is why you go to the % game.... Brown could see that and so opted for playing that way in recent weeks.

Batch is right on the current situation.

No one's right or wrong on the current situation Reg.

If we start playing more attacking players and be more positive, there's a chance he can turn this around, so let's see what happens.

Under Brown, it was the worst I've seen us.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 12:06:21
Quote from: Red Frog
Quote
I make no apologies for at this time thinking Richie Wellens is a crap replacement for Brown.
Don't like it. Tough shit.
Unlike you to join the pitchfork brigade on the basis of very little evidence Batch. I had you down as someone who'd give a new manager a fair chance.

You alright?
I'm not happy with the appointment.

I've explicitly said at least give the guy until the end of season to judge him.

the two aren't mutually exclusive.


Title: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 12:07:19
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You haven't got a clue have you, you have to flounce a bit claim you are never going to attend ever again...



- and then quietly do so and hope no one notices.
quote where I said I'd never go again then.

I said I may miss a few before Christmas, and that I've never felt so low at an appointment.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 12:12:33
Quote from: Panda Paws
No one's right or wrong on the current situation Reg.

If we start playing more attacking players and be more positive, there's a chance he can turn this around, so let's see what happens.

Under Brown, it was the worst I've seen us.

I agree with Panda. The reason being that early in the season we did at least look threatening even if we mostly missed.

I have reservations though, and the main point is I don't think it's an overnight fix.

I actually think Richards could still fire in a few with a change of approach.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 12:26:02
Fact. We were pretty dire under PB. With no sign of improvement

Fact Lowest ever position since 2 centuries have passed

Fact Power has acted fast, no dilly dallying to try to rectify our form.

Fact new guy hasn't even taken a training session.

 Lets wait and see if he's any good before people pop veins. Power might have said give me 10 games to show you are the right guy.

I'm just looking forward to hopefully seeing some tactical nous, and natural ability complement the effort, we know the players can give.



Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 12:28:48
Unfortunately that is the nature of our fan base at present. This won’t be easy for him to begin with but he was a leader as a player and I expect a leader off the field. He will be delighted woth the talent we have in midfield and if he can sort the strikeforce out in January then we could have a sniff of the playoffs still
Nature of the fans? Sick of fans getting the blame for us being total shit at the moment


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 12:32:36
Can you show me an example of the fans being blamed for this?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 12:37:24
Can you show me an example of the fans being blamed for this?
The one i quoted for start. Ok it is not blaming as such but as soon as fans voice a concern these days they are shouted down and get abuse and classed as the worse there is.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 12:45:10
Unlike you to join the pitchfork brigade on the basis of very little evidence Batch. I had you down as someone who'd give a new manager a fair chance.

You alright?
This has been an unusual season on the TEF, in that we have seen seasoned happy clappers become doom and gloom merchants. Flirting with FL status has that impact it seems...


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 12:52:21
The one i quoted for start. Ok it is not blaming as such but as soon as fans voice a concern these days they are shouted down and get abuse and classed as the worse there is.
It's not voicing concern though is it, that Facebook group is literally one step away from foaming at the mouth with that twat Christian Kostiuk as their little ring leader. Everything they post is Power out this and Power out that and if you ask them what the alternative is you get called a happy clapper.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 12:59:08
It's not voicing concern though is it, that Facebook group is literally one step away from foaming at the mouth with that twat Christian Kostiuk as their little ring leader. Everything they post is Power out this and Power out that and if you ask them what the alternative is you get called a happy clapper.
and if you voice a concern you get compared to someone foaming at the mouth on Facebook. Are you saying that because i do not have a name of someone who i would rather run the club i should just put up with it? I didn't mention that group at all


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 13:03:10
It's not voicing concern though is it, that Facebook group is literally one step away from foaming at the mouth with that twat Christian Kostiuk as their little ring leader. Everything they post is Power out this and Power out that and if you ask them what the alternative is you get called a happy clapper.
Power out would be a great result ONLY IF we had another sponsor ready to step in and bank roll the club.
In the meantime fair play to Power, he's trying every option he can and still gets earache.   Must be losing a fortune season by season,  Surely he's got to get it right sooner or later.
Just hope it's this time.  COYR COYR


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: derbystfc on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 13:10:09
It's not voicing concern though is it, that Facebook group is literally one step away from foaming at the mouth with that twat Christian Kostiuk as their little ring leader. Everything they post is Power out this and Power out that and if you ask them what the alternative is you get called a happy clapper.

I posted something the other day on that group, pointing out that who is power actually going to sell to, and are they are interested in buying the club because as we know a sale has to have 2 parties involved. I also said just stating power out is basically pointless. It was that fellow you mentiones who replied with the following in depth statement:

'zzzzzzz'

Now, this is ignorance at its best, and experience says you cant reason with ignorance, its like playing chess with a pigeon, A pigeon doesn't know how to play chess, it will just knock the pieces over and strut around, so trying to reason with the ignorance its pointless, hence why I just didn't bother with a reply. It is my opinion that people on the group of the same opinion as him are fucktards.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 13:16:06
By all means protest his running of the club, there's plenty to be unhappy about. Nobody has to like it and people are free to say so.

If they actually want him removed, though, then there HAS to be an alternative.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Sir red ken on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 13:20:04
I've never been so disappointed with a managers appointment in my life, he may turn out OK but my gut tells me he's going to be about the same as PB. What a sad place my club has become, gates of sub 4000 and falling, that's why there's no money and it will continue to be so. Can't get over what a shit start to the week this is, by the time Bellends has worked out what the squads like we're going to be down in the brown stuff. Can't dress this up any better, our leader just keeps getting the management appointment wrong. Or perhaps that's the design. The sun may be shinning outside but its not in my STFC heart and there's only so many times someone can piss down my back,tell me its raining and I believe them.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 13:20:22
By all means protest his running of the club, there's plenty to be unhappy about. Nobody has to like it and people are free to say so.

If they actually want him removed, though, then there HAS to be an alternative.
Have we ever had an alternative before they announced they are selling? I want him to leave because the last 5 years have been the worse in my time supporting the club. I want us to have some one better running the club. Protests etc are what lead to the alternative persons coming forward


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 13:27:05
Fact. We were pretty dire under PB. With no sign of improvement

Fact Lowest ever position since 2 centuries have passed

Fact Power has acted fast, no dilly dallying to try to rectify our form.

Fact new guy hasn't even taken a training session.

 Lets wait and see if he's any good before people pop veins. Power might have said give me 10 games to show you are the right guy.

I'm just looking forward to hopefully seeing some tactical nous, and natural ability complement the effort, we know the players can give.

The 3 facts are sound enough. The OS tells us a contract until 2020..... so taking that at face value no trial period.

Wellens had a decent caretaker spell at Oldham, it turned to shit when he got a full time contract.

What's tactical nous? For example, it seems to me if the pitch turns to shit, tactical nous dictates you play a different style, more suited to conditions rather than blunder on with an ill fitting style.   Wellens says this is his style.... yes OK, he doesn't even know the players.

I've always been minded with something Pulis said about going into a new club struggling.... you look at the players and think, what can they do? Where are their strengths and weaknesses, then  build from that.  By implication what you don't do is say this is how I want you to play.... if the players cannot. It's back to Luke, naivity, try and play like Barca, with players more suited to Barnet.

Applying your tactical nous, and all fans think they have some..... what would you do with our current crop assuming they'e all fit?



Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 13:28:08
Have we ever had an alternative before they announced they are selling? I want him to leave because the last 5 years have been the worse in my time supporting the club. I want us to have some one better running the club. Protests etc are what lead to the alternative persons coming forward
The alternative last time was fucking Jed. We got lucky with Fitton as before that it was Ricky Hunt, Donegan, Brady, Jim Little and his Best mob. We haven't got much history of attracting the type of owners people want!


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 13:28:18
Have we ever had an alternative before they announced they are selling?

Not quite. There were protests to try and kick Diamandis et al out, and we did have buyers waiting in the wings at the time (Fitton et al). The selling process was already going on then though, albeit being stalled by a certain fat greek cunt that was trying to cash in.

I suppose that protests might encourage Power to sell up, but to whom? People need to be careful of what they wish for because it really could be so, so much worse and if he's pushed before he's ready then he might just be willing to sell up to the first taker.

I've seen some on that FB group, though, say that nobody could be worse than Power. That's just plain idiotic.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 13:37:39
Any protest would need to be along the lines of: Get the fuck out of our club now, but please be nice and make sure you are selling up to the right person when doing so.

As if! There's a Monty Python sketch in there somewhere.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 13:37:52
If they actually want him removed, though, then there HAS to be an alternative.
Exactly.

One typical post from FB today...

Quote
Feel really sorry for Phil Brown , shit on from a great height !! Power is the problem , god help our great club . Power is killing the club . Really can’t see us recovering from this shit for many years . Power piss off we don’t want a fat slug like you at our proud club

There is NO alternative at the moment, none, nothing, no one, no fairy godfather, no multi millionaire with money to burn, no offers, no viable alternative and until there is we have Power in charge.

I am 100% certain that if anyone came in with a bid that covered the cost of his investment (plus maybe a little on top) then he would sell up straight away.

Some of the idiots on FB say "well no one will buy the club until he puts it up for offer" I think thats utter bullshit.

If someone is interested they will make an offer no matter if the club is "up for sale" or not, also he would hardly say "come make me an offer, I am desperate to rid myself of this millstone around my neck" as thats inviting derisory offers in stating he wants rid of the club, which I am sure he probably does as long as he covers his investment plus a little extra, which I think is very reasonable.

Many many of our fans have to realise that we are no longer a large/medium size club, we are a slightly larger than small club now which is why we are where we are in the league we are now in, we have only been to the top division once for a single season (legally) in our 139 years.

Its pretty clear that nobody wants to buy us, we are no great pull, no catch, but Power is getting us to a point that we are sustainable and with zero debts which will put us into a better position for when he does eventually sell us, much more appealing to a potential buyer if we are debt free and (joint) owning our own ground too will add to the saleability.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 13:38:05
I've seen some on that FB group, though, say that nobody could be worse than Power. That's just plain idiotic.

Power is just not very good at being the owner of a small club.... he reckoned his being an ex player, agent, director at Cambridge/Rushden etc gave him an edge... and for a bit his links to Tactics were helpful. The reality now is something different.

His natural parsimony, is useful however, in that we're seemingly not excessively debt laden, but it does mean our historic rung in the pecking order needs to be adjusted in keeping with the level of investment.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 13:45:08
Exactly.

One typical post from FB today...

There is NO alternative at the moment, none, nothing, no one, no fairy godfather, no multi millionaire with money to burn, no offers, no viable alternative and until there is we have Power in charge.

I am 100% certain that if anyone came in with a bid that covered the cost of his investment (plus maybe a little on top) then he would sell up straight away.

Some of the idiots on FB say "well no one will buy the club until he puts it up for offer" I think thats utter bullshit.

If someone is interested they will make an offer no matter if the club is "up for sale" or not, also he would hardly say "come make me an offer, I am desperate to rid myself of this millstone around my neck" as thats inviting derisory offers in stating he wants rid of the club, which I am sure he probably does as long as he covers his investment plus a little extra, which I think is very reasonable.

Many many of our fans have to realise that we are no longer a large/medium size club, we are a slightly larger than small club now which is why we are where we are in the league we are now in, we have only been to the top division once for a single season (legally) in our 139 years.

Its pretty clear that nobody wants to buy us, we are no great pull, no catch, but Power is getting us to a point that we are sustainable and with zero debts which will put us into a better position for when he does eventually sell us, much more appealing to a potential buyer if we are debt free and (joint) owning our own ground too will add to the saleability.
This.

To be honest I hold the previous owners more responsible than Power, it's 20+ years of doing absolutely nothing to improve the club that has left us where we are.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 13:49:27
Any protest would need to be along the lines of: Get the fuck out of our club now, but please be nice and make sure you are selling up to the right person when doing so.

As if! There's a Monty Python sketch in there somewhere.

I don't think the heart is there any longer for protests..... most of those who still go are a bit long in the tooth, so it's more a case of :shrug: stop going, and perhaps watch on a stream, or the Conference next season might not be so bad, some new grounds and decent coverage on BT Sport.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 13:53:43
I've never been so disappointed with a managers appointment in my life, he may turn out OK but my gut tells me he's going to be about the same as PB. What a sad place my club has become, gates of sub 4000 and falling, that's why there's no money and it will continue to be so. Can't get over what a shit start to the week this is, by the time Bellends has worked out what the squads like we're going to be down in the brown stuff. Can't dress this up any better, our leader just keeps getting the management appointment wrong. Or perhaps that's the design. The sun may be shinning outside but its not in my STFC heart and there's only so many times someone can piss down my back,tell me its raining and I believe them.

Last time we had a sub 4k league attendance?

Also "Bellends"? Are you for real?

Can I suggest you do us all a favour and vote with your feet?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 13:56:25
I would certainly like to hear from our esteemed chairman on why he decided to dispense with Brown now, and explain the reasoning behind the appointment of Wellens and how why appoint so quick rather than waiting to see who applies and then appointing Wellens anyway.

I sure the usual silence will continue though or he wil lsend his his aussie mate to talk to the press.

I will give Wellens my support, but I'm not overjoyed about his appointment


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: ronnie21 on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 14:10:32
I would certainly like to hear from our esteemed chairman on why he decided to dispense with Brown now, and explain the reasoning behind the appointment of Wellens and how why appoint so quick rather than waiting to see who applies and then appointing Wellens anyway.

I sure the usual silence will continue though or he wil lsend his his aussie mate to talk to the press.

I will give Wellens my support, but I'm not overjoyed about his appointment
My thoughts entirely


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 14:13:05
I would certainly like to hear from our esteemed chairman on why he decided to dispense with Brown now, and explain the reasoning behind the appointment of Wellens and how why appoint so quick rather than waiting to see who applies and then appointing Wellens anyway.

I sure the usual silence will continue though or he wil lsend his his aussie mate to talk to the press.

I will give Wellens my support, but I'm not overjoyed about his appointment

+2


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 14:21:18
Bellends

He's barely started, you perineum.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 14:24:23
I had to Google perineum. who knew that bit had a name


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 14:25:25
The timing appeared to be as if the decision was premeditated prior to the poor quality win vs York, this seems to be backed up by the speed of replacement.

I wonder if Power spoke to PB and asked would he stay if Hull did come knocking, and PB said of course he would take the Hull job. Power then starts making enquiries about a possible replacement in case PB left us in the lurch as Flipflop did.

And then we under performed for a few games and Power took it upon himself to speed things up.

I am just guessing of course but that thought had passed my mind, the Hull fans still think very highly of Brown and want him back there.

http://youtu.be/q3qQvOz-FPw

the full thread about him here.

https://www.not606.com/threads/brownies-done-one.368849/


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: diggers on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 14:32:03
The appointment is underwhelming to say the least, but it is reflective of our current status in the football pyramid. I'm not sure what people expected, me included. I suppose getting rid of Brown, made us think someone a lot better was coming in - debatable whether Wellens is that - he doesn't have the pedigree of Brown, but he is still young and hopefully hungry to succeed. Brown talked a good game but it just didn't work out for whatever reason.

I don't know much about Wellens to be honest, other than what I've read on this thread, so I'll support him like I supported the last manager and hope he does us proud. He's got some issues until the January window though, is it really going to be that easy to turn the current squad around? Could do with a fully fit Doughty back asap - he has been a big miss.

I'd have liked to have seen someone with STFC connections come in and try and bring the support base back together behind the club, but there aren't many candidates to be honest and even those suggested are met with no it's not right for him to come back.

Power will always divide opinion - to me he is just that kind of person. We'd all like to see a lifelong billionaire fan take over, but I don't know any - do you?!


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 14:38:06
I've never been so disappointed with a managers appointment in my life, he may turn out OK but my gut tells me he's going to be about the same as PB. What a sad place my club has become, gates of sub 4000 and falling, that's why there's no money and it will continue to be so. Can't get over what a shit start to the week this is, by the time Bellends has worked out what the squads like we're going to be down in the brown stuff. Can't dress this up any better, our leader just keeps getting the management appointment wrong. Or perhaps that's the design. The sun may be shinning outside but its not in my STFC heart and there's only so many times someone can piss down my back,tell me its raining and I believe them.

“Bellends”
“Or perhaps that’s the design”

This is a post that just keeps giving


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 14:50:25
I've never been so disappointed with a managers appointment in my life, he may turn out OK but my gut tells me he's going to be about the same as PB. What a sad place my club has become, gates of sub 4000 and falling, that's why there's no money and it will continue to be so. Can't get over what a shit start to the week this is, by the time Bellends has worked out what the squads like we're going to be down in the brown stuff. Can't dress this up any better, our leader just keeps getting the management appointment wrong. Or perhaps that's the design. The sun may be shinning outside but its not in my STFC heart and there's only so many times someone can piss down my back,tell me its raining and I believe them.

'Can't dress this up any better, our leader just keeps getting the management appointment wrong'

Can I borrow your time machine?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Combe Up on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 14:52:13
Unashamedly copied from another thread: The picture used in the OS announcement looks like someone is pissing on the Swindon name and the club flag. Just who is doing the pissing?

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2018/november/wellens-joins-as-new-manager/


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 14:54:10
LP obviously, he has nothing but disrespect the club since he brought it


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 15:06:33
I know this sounds hackneyed and a bit dewy eyed, but supporting STFC over a lot of years it always felt I was supporting a club that was a bit special, a bit different than the other lower league opponents.

Win a League Cup, could, and should, have made 2 more Finals, reach the dizzy heights of the PL, 100% winning record at the old Wembley, even the 100% losing record at the new - we’ve still been there.

The realisation has now sunk in that we have become the same as those lower league clubs that have spent almost all their existence just treading water - just existing. Yes, important to their fans but that’s about it.

Its difficult to envisage the new fella revitalising the club - he’s no Macari, Ardiles or Hoddle who the fans can rally round.

Luton weren’t too happy appointing Nathan Jones, Lincoln likewise with Cowley. ‘Who the fuck are they?’ Was the general reaction.

So, until proven otherwise, Wellens will get my full support and if anyone decides to lumber him with the Bellends moniker he/she should be banned.

I am the original Bellend!


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: juddie on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 15:13:15
I'm more surprised by those questioning the sacking of Brown than those attacking the appointment of Wellens. I don't know how anyone who has watched a game under Brown can think that he should be given money to spend in January, and more time. It just wasn't working out. His selections were mystifying, his tactics confusing. It was on a par with Hart, the worst ever. Which, if anyone had done their due diligence on Brown's time at Southend, wouldn't have been a surprise.

Wellens is a massive risk, we all know this, but I'm prepared to give him a go. In many ways I like the  fact that we've moved quickly to try and change the situation, but another part of me would like to have seen who applied. He's young, seen as progressive, it can't be any worse than Brown.

My biggest concern these days appears to be a lack of plan. At least under Cooper and Williams there was a plan of sorts, a style and a tangible plan of working.

We probably can't afford it, but it would have been good to appoint someone who immediately got everyone excited again. A Paul Hurst, a Calderwood or a recently retired 'star' in the mould of Wise/Hoddle/PDC. Hey ho.

I wish Wellens well. I just want to enjoy going to football again. It's been a while. A long while!


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Bathtime on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 15:19:11
Life as an optimist is not always very easy especially if affection comes in the nature of supporting STFC but who the fuck is Wellens…?? Can`t prejudge the man who has rarely managed...perhaps he will be a real find...in some ways he can`t be worse than Phil Brown who just didn`t get this team going and I believe their is enough talent in the squad to get us into the play offs but not with him. He arrived and we dropped out of the play offs so let`s see what the mysterious Wellens is made of...


Title: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 15:28:41
Quote
I'm more surprised by those questioning the sacking of Brown than those attacking the appointment of Wellens. I don't know how anyone who has watched a game under Brown can think that he should be given money to spend in January, and more time.
I think I'd have given him another month, but it's hard to argue against your points. I did say spend the severence pay on players.. was a bit miffed at that time.

You say under cooper and Williams we had a plan. There is the possibility we are returning to that kind of plan.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: DV Canio on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 15:37:51
No issue with Brown going.
Next appointment needed a galvanising effect.
Wellens has not done that. A few people have bought up some positives from his time at Oldham which suggest he did well under the circumstances; ok fine.
If that is the case then why did Oldham get rid?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Kinky Tom on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 15:38:42
It really didn't feel like we had a tactical plan under Brown at all. 

Managers are all different, Kingy for example didn't really have a tactical plan but could spot a player. 

Di Canio had a very scattergun approach to signing players but when it came to it we knew very much what we were doing on the pitch.

Under Wise it was less scattergun but a clear message on what our plan was.

Brown has been a bit scattergun and had no plan.

Hopefully Wellens has a plan and we can find a way to execute it well.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 15:47:59
Hopefully Wellens has a plan and we can find a way to execute it well.

Hopefully he's a better plan than at Oldham, where his aim was to get 50 points.  I could have told him that 52 is usually the cut off and even we've gone down with that. He executed his plan, just the wrong plan.

I wonder if he's a plan for how many needed to stay up this season..... Rovers went down with 51


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 16:00:59
No issue with Brown going.
Next appointment needed a galvanising effect.
Wellens has not done that. A few people have bought up some positives from his time at Oldham which suggest he did well under the circumstances; ok fine.
If that is the case then why did Oldham get rid?

TBF to Power, the usual response to sacking the manager when things are going pear shaped and the heat is turning up on the Board/now owner, is to appoint an internal, usually ex player, or ex player out of work.... as it buys a bit of goodwill.

Which is why many expected Taylor.... my feeling was that he wouldn't take it now knowing more about the situation, but look for age range coaching at Prem or Div 2 level in the summer.

The goodwill only goes so far though..... Wellens will get none, so he'll need success straight away. If he doesn't and we continue to slide it could get very uncomfortable for Power.



Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 16:07:04
The 3 facts are sound enough. The OS tells us a contract until 2020..... so taking that at face value no trial period.

Wellens had a decent caretaker spell at Oldham, it turned to shit when he got a full time contract.

What's tactical nous? For example, it seems to me if the pitch turns to shit, tactical nous dictates you play a different style, more suited to conditions rather than blunder on with an ill fitting style.   Wellens says this is his style.... yes OK, he doesn't even know the players.

I've always been minded with something Pulis said about going into a new club struggling.... you look at the players and think, what can they do? Where are their strengths and weaknesses, then  build from that.  By implication what you don't do is say this is how I want you to play.... if the players cannot. It's back to Luke, naivity, try and play like Barca, with players more suited to Barnet.

Applying your tactical nous, and all fans think they have some..... what would you do with our current crop assuming they'e all fit?




Me? No idea i'm not a pro football manager, and therefore not qualified. As for the contract until 2020, I'll bet there are  break clauses. One may well be 20 points after 10 games. I very much doubt it is a straight contract, and very much doubt Browns was. 10 years ago maybe, but not now.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 16:17:52
the positive is that if Wellens doesn't give us a bounce, there is still time to appoint a replacement in time to use the January transfer window

Flitcroft
(Taylor)
Brown
Wellens
A.N.Other


since the last Jan. window.


Power managers up until then:

Cooper
Ling
Luke
Tactics
Luke
Power

I may be muddled but it's not only been Brown who's been confusing






Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Sir red ken on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 16:31:11
Crist were scaping the barrel for positives..."the positive is that if Wellens doesn't give us a bounce, there is still time to appoint a replacement in time to use the January transfer window". Who do you have in mind as a before Jan replacement if this one goes Pete Tong?  Zidan, Van Gaal, Eddie Howe or flop from Liverpool. LP would sign another free,cheap shite option like all his others. The only plus would be that we'd get a new record for managers in a season, its like death by a thousand slashes, slow calculated agony.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 16:34:22
Life as an optimist is not always very easy especially if affection comes in the nature of supporting STFC but who the fuck is Wellens…?? Can`t prejudge the man who has rarely managed...perhaps he will be a real find...in some ways he can`t be worse than Phil Brown who just didn`t get this team going and I believe their is enough talent in the squad to get us into the play offs but not with him. He arrived and we dropped out of the play offs so let`s see what the mysterious Wellens is made of...

I know it was rhetorical, but, he's a product of the Man Utd Academy, had a pretty decent career playing across the league levels including games in the top flight, he studied for his UEFA coaching license while playing, taking on coaching activities at Man Utd and, over the course of nearly a season, managed a mid table style effort with Oldham who had 4 points from 9 games when he took over.  Hope that helps.

Opinion: He seems very similar to Flitcroft, I am hoping for more!


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 16:38:17
Crist were scaping the barrel for positives..."the positive is that if Wellens doesn't give us a bounce, there is still time to appoint a replacement in time to use the January transfer window". Who do you have in mind as a before Jan replacement if this one goes Pete Tong?  Zidan, Van Gaal, Eddie Howe or flop from Liverpool. LP would sign another free,cheap shite option like all his others. The only plus would be that we'd get a new record for managers in a season, its like death by a thousand slashes, slow calculated agony.

I bet you are a right hoot at parties.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: DV Canio on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 16:51:21
I know it was rhetorical, but, he's a product of the Man Utd Academy, had a pretty decent career playing across the league levels including games in the top flight, he studied for his UEFA coaching license while playing, taking on coaching activities at Man Utd and, over the course of nearly a season, managed a mid table style effort with Oldham who had 4 points from 9 games when he took over.  Hope that helps.

Opinion: He seems very similar to Flitcroft, I am hoping for more!

Didn’t play in the top flight.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 16:57:44
Decent read

http://d3d4football.com/swindon-town-appoint-richie-wellens-an-oldham-fans-view/


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Sir red ken on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 16:59:27
I bet you are a right hoot at parties.
Depends on how much I've had to drink and what the available arse is like.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 17:03:08
Ooh. A drunk and a lech!


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 17:03:17
Depends on how much I've had to drink and what the available arse is like.

Oooh err lads, dont be picking 50p's off the floor.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 17:04:28
 Another concern for me is Hunt.... this stinks of Power. Do Wellens and Hunt have any links or is this just Power using the fact Wellens will be grateful to have a job, and so lumbering him with Hunt for Waterford business.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 17:08:29
Another concern for me is Hunt.... this stinks of Power. Do Wellens and Hunt have any links or is this just Power using the fact Wellens will be grateful to have a job, and so lumbering him with Hunt for Waterford business.
That and his statement that Reading was his favourite club


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Honest Lee on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 17:14:47

I needed something to entice me back to the County Ground after bailing out after the first three home games this season under Brown.
I haven't got it.
Time will tell.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 17:16:40
That and his statement that Reading was his favourite club

I don't care if he eats a pocket of hobnobs a day due to his Reading love.... but do care if Wellens and Hunt have been brought together by Power playing Cilla Black on Blind Date.... it's our FL future at stake here.  I'd rather not have to sample the delights of the away travel that enchanted Oxford fans for those years.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 17:17:13
Quote from: Reg Smeeton
 Another concern for me is Hunt.... this stinks of Power. Do Wellens and Hunt have any links or is this just Power using the fact Wellens will be grateful to have a job, and so lumbering him with Hunt for Waterford business.

that point was brought up in the emergency podcast too.

was talking to another TEF'r about it. we've been linked with a few Irish youngsters recently in the press. Do you think Hunt is here to deal with that side having done it himself years ago?


(no the youngsters weren't at Waterford)


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 17:26:30
that point was brought up in the emergency podcast too.

was talking to another TEF'r about it. we've been linked with a few Irish youngsters recently in the press. Do you think Hunt is here to deal with that side having done it himself years ago?


(no the youngsters weren't at Waterford)

I've no idea which is why I'm asking... if Power has just chucked these 2 together, then it's a very bad sign, and orange hats should be readied for a winter of discontent.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 17:37:22
if they've been chucked together there must be a strategy at play.

still reckon that's likely to be The Swindon Way PT 2. But with work permit elidgable foreign young uns.

But hey, back to your point, they could be besties for all we know.

I'm sure* Power will explain it all..

* not sure


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: ronnie21 on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 17:38:10
I've no idea which is why I'm asking... if Power has just chucked these 2 together, then it's a very bad sign, and orange hats should be readied for a winter of discontent.
Surely Wellens would have been consulted and approved!  I believe this appointment has been a few weeks in the making and Power was just waiting for the right time to strike.  Personally having endured that defeat at Exeter where body language of the players and especially Brown foretold of problems ahead I think Power started casting his net after that.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 17:38:49
Sir D(red) Ken. Another fucking troll on this site.

If they're a genuine Town fan they want a damn good slapping.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: wazzared on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 17:40:42
I don't post here much but read the forum every day. Will give the new manager a chance, know nothing of him really. Just hope the majority do the same - will be nice to watch some good football if his style of play is what i've read. Just hope we actually start shooting...


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: phelpsieboy on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 17:42:27
Another concern for me is Hunt.... this stinks of Power. Do Wellens and Hunt have any links or is this just Power using the fact Wellens will be grateful to have a job, and so lumbering him with Hunt for Waterford business.

Wellens has a link to Power via Paul Jewell, who was Wellens initial assistant at Oldham. Paul's stint at Oldham didn't last long, but he is a close friend of Power's and may have seen something in Richie at Oldham to pass on a suggestion....


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 17:43:41
that point was brought up in the emergency podcast too.

was talking to another TEF'r about it. we've been linked with a few Irish youngsters recently in the press. Do you think Hunt is here to deal with that side having done it himself years ago?


(no the youngsters weren't at Waterford)
Apparently, Waterford have been accused of hoovering up all the young talent in Ireland. As an aside, Hunt is younger than Richards and is still registered to play!


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 17:52:30
Wellens has a link to Power via Paul Jewell, who was Wellens initial assistant at Oldham. Paul's stint at Oldham didn't last long, but he is a close friend of Power's and may have seen something in Richie at Oldham to pass on a suggestion....

Still doesn't explain Hunt... Jewell's kid was scout or something for a while, may still be for all I know coincided with recruitment turning to shit, so that bit of nepotism didn't turn out so good.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: phelpsieboy on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 17:58:57
Still doesn't explain Hunt... Jewell's kid was scout or something for a while, may still be for all I know coincided with recruitment turning to shit, so that bit of nepotism didn't turn out so good.

Think the only link is that Waterford is Hunt's home town club.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 18:00:50
Still doesn't explain Hunt... Jewell's kid was scout or something for a while, may still be for all I know coincided with recruitment turning to shit, so that bit of nepotism didn't turn out so good.

I read it as possibly having the next manager in place should it not work out with RW.
Or paving the way for a conveyor belt of Irish talent coming this way.  :)

Hopefully the choice will be explained in due course.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 18:02:01
Decent read

http://d3d4football.com/swindon-town-appoint-richie-wellens-an-oldham-fans-view/

a response to that article on the Oldham forum:

A very generous piece.  
  
I think he’ll struggle or be nothing more than ok.  He won’t get anywhere near the Money Abdallah threw at it for the first few months, and the ‘exciting football’ literally lasted for six games. His constant whingeing and excuses began to grate very quickly. Did he have issues to deal with- yes. But what lower league manager doesn’t? As a comparison- I’ve not heard Bunn mention once that his number two has been sacked, despite the fact it must be killing him- It’s called professionalism. Ritchie struggled with that.  
  
Swindon have a got a manager who flatters to deceive IMO. Will blame ANYTHING he can for a defeat, or loss of form. He will demand Swindon ‘some him their ambition’ by signing players they can’t afford because he can’t get a tune out of what’s there or more likely who he’s already signed.  
  
As singe says- look at his first quote on signing. . .  
  
Enough said.  


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 18:05:47
Sounds somewhat similar to Flitcroft


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 18:08:44
Not sure if this (self-confident or self-regarding?) piece by Wellens himself has been linked yet:

https://www.coachesvoice.com/best-laid-plans-oldham-wellens/


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 18:10:34
a response to that article on the Oldham forum:

 
  
I think he’ll struggle or be nothing more than ok.  
  
 


  OK would be fine, should keep us up. It's sub OK which worries me


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 18:16:41
Sounds somewhat similar to Flitcroft

I mentioned this t'other day.

Underwhelming appointment. Feels a bit Flitcroft lite (and not in weight). That's really saying something.

Not going to write him off but if he were to fail, then Power can fall on his sword.



Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 18:19:21
Sounds somewhat similar to Flitcroft
Reg should be happier than he appears then!


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 18:28:41
We've had various regular soundbites from managers of recent past;

'...and hopefully we get lucky again.'  - Mark Cooper

'...well three draws equals a win.'         - Luke Williams

'...yeah we need to microwave it.'         - David Flitcroft

'...about a clean sheet mentality.'    - Phil Brown

Some bizarre ones there, especially LW and DF. What will our new manager Robbie Wellens catchphrase be? I'm going for 'We all need to show more ambition.' Hardly original or inspiring but would likely be truthful, at least at the start.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: herthab on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 18:33:15
Time will tell. I'm not really interested in what Oldham fans think of him, or his record there. We've had managers with a better pedigree (One of which has just been sacked) and they've rarely been that successful.
Any appointment is a punt, hopefully this one's a winner.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 19:42:35
The new gaffer has spoken. https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/17221205.richie-wellens-aims-for-promotion-after-being-named-as-swindon-towns-new-manager/

Just standard football manager speak really.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 19:50:50
am I reading too much into this:

"The remit in my contract is to get the club promoted.”

actually what does that even mean, he's contacted to to get us promotion? I doubt it!


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 19:50:55
The new gaffer has spoken. https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/17221205.richie-wellens-aims-for-promotion-after-being-named-as-swindon-towns-new-manager/

Just standard football manager speak really.

Yep. The old we're too big for this league bollocks...


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 19:56:23
am I reading too much into this:

"The remit in my contract is to get the club promoted.”

actually what does that even mean, he's contacted to to get us promotion? I doubt it!

Why doubt it? In the real world some sales people get a boot out the door, if they don't reach targets


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 20:01:10
because he's got a 2 year contract, promotion is unlikely this year so I don't see what purpose it would serve


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 20:28:46
because he's got a 2 year contract, promotion is unlikely this year so I don't see what purpose it would serve

more likely than relegation but that doesn't stop people saying it.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 20:32:12
Yep. The old we're too big for this league bollocks...

I thought our natural league position was the league above? Plus we have the 3rd highest attendance in the league despite being in a relegation battle and it beats half of league 1. I'd say we are too big to be in this league. doesn't mean that we don't deserve to be where we are however 


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 20:42:27
because he's got a 2 year contract, promotion is unlikely this year so I don't see what purpose it would serve

As i said before it might be broken into segments 20 points after 10 games 30 after 15 etc, he might have taken it to get us up this year. People will agree to anything when a job's on offer. Tough ask, but 6 months money  is better than 0 months. Equally this time next year if we have 15 points from 20 games we wont be going upwards and the contact will say that. I'm pretty sure PB will have been on the same, and reached a critical point a few games back and set wheels in motion. The appointment didn't happen in 24 hours, this was well in advance when a target wasn't met.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 20:45:21
I have no issue with Power sticking such a target in a contract.  If the incoming Manager does not feel they have the resources to achieve that goal then don't take the job, otherwise, be prepared to be judged accordingly.  Sounds like he's also got a green light to invest in January if needed.  We also don't know if that is a would be nice to get promoted this season, but if you don't manage it next season you are out.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 20:46:01
I thought our natural league position was the league above? Plus we have the 3rd highest attendance in the league despite being in a relegation battle and it beats half of league 1. I'd say we are too big to be in this league. doesn't mean that we don't deserve to be where we are however 

3rd relegation to the basement in 12 years, indicates that we've slipped from our previous natural position. Our larger gates don't seem to give us much of a financial advantage over the rest.

As I've said before if you're Sunderland and get 30,000 in Div 3, as opposed to the sides who get 3000, then it's probably fair to say you're too big for the league.


Title: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 20:55:56
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As i said before it might be broken into segments 20 points after 10 games 30 after 15 etc, he might have taken it to get us up this year. People will agree to anything when a job's on offer. Tough ask, but 6 months money  is better than 0 months. Equally this time next year if we have 15 points from 20 games we wont be going upwards and the contact will say that. I'm pretty sure PB will have been on the same, and reached a critical point a few games back and set wheels in motion. The appointment didn't happen in 24 hours, this was well in advance when a target wasn't met.
ah right, of its broken down/targeted like that then I guess it makes sense.

to be honest I had no idea this could be a thing, sounds a bit harsh but it protects the club.

(not got a problem with it by the way)


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 20:56:52
7 points off the POs in November shouldn’t prevent any club from targeting promotion


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 20:58:31
Quote from: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey
7 points off the POs in November shouldn’t prevent any club from targeting promotion

no of course not. it was mention of it being in the contract that surprised me.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 21:02:49
His contract is 2 years. I presume the promotion clause means within those 2 years - or at the end of.

There’s absolutely no reason why any club can’t make that up with 29 games to go.

Personally, my initial reaction has thawed somewhat and I shall be there Saturday.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 21:03:23
3rd relegation to the basement in 12 years, indicates that we've slipped from our previous natural position. Our larger gates don't seem to give us much of a financial advantage over the rest.

As I've said before if you're Sunderland and get 30,000 in Div 3, as opposed to the sides who get 3000, then it's probably fair to say you're too big for the league.

if your using 12 years as a random marker then our average league position is surely still league 1 and not league 2?

we are not playing like a big club which I have said but there is no denying it in league 2 terms we are whether you like it or not.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 21:05:35
no of course not. it was mention of it being in the contract that surprised me.

I would love such clauses to be in every players contracts. these little niggles etc would soon stop happening and players would be desperate to play and play well.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 21:13:07
if your using 12 years as a random marker then our average league position is surely still league 1 and not league 2?

we are not playing like a big club which I have said but there is no denying it in league 2 terms we are whether you like it or not.
Absolutely. We've also had two L1 play off finals in the last 12 years & a L1 play off semi final. We could all comfortably name 24 current league clubs that we could perceive ourselves to be bigger than regardless of criteria used. Reg just enjoys running the club down at any given opportunity & makes it a priority to not make any positive comments. A very strange approach from a very strange gentleman.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 21:17:39
3rd relegation to the basement in 12 years, indicates that we've slipped from our previous natural position. Our larger gates don't seem to give us much of a financial advantage over the rest.

As I've said before if you're Sunderland and get 30,000 in Div 3, as opposed to the sides who get 3000, then it's probably fair to say you're too big for the league.
Two League 1 play off finals in 8 years have been conveniently forgotten. Wellens is spot on, we are a League 1 club in size. He correctly caveats that by saying we are in Legaue 2 because we deserve to be. So I see no issue with those comments.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 21:19:50
am I reading too much into this:

"The remit in my contract is to get the club promoted.”

actually what does that even mean, he's contacted to to get us promotion? I doubt it!

It’s nothing more than an empty-but-grand statement about how he wants to win Promotion. Nothing more to it than that, no?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 21:21:22
Ooh, Chang is changing persona again.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 21:23:49
just thought it was odd Dave, nothing more


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 21:26:20
Reg sort of has a point. what area the units in 'too big'?

fanbase and history, unarguably so.

budget, probably not.

potential to grow, I guess so. though probably not any time soon.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 21:28:44
yippee, maybe Wellens will work out after all.

Newport are 2-0 up.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 21:33:53
if your using 12 years as a random marker then our average league position is surely still league 1 and not league 2?

we are not playing like a big club which I have said but there is no denying it in league 2 terms we are whether you like it or not.

Nothing to do with what I like.   We know in the modern game, gate receipts etc are one source of income, increasingly another is owners/benefactors sticking their hands in their pockets.  Power doesn't really do that, in fact he runs another club... I wonder where the funds come from to run that?


Title: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 21:34:29
oooh CT .. 🍿


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 21:36:08
Reg sort of has a point. what area the units in 'too big'?

fanbase and history, unarguably so.

budget, probably not.

potential to grow, I guess so. though probably not any time soon.

It was in reference to this "bollocks" from Wellen- The club belongs above League Two because of the sheer size of it – and the supporter base is far too good for League Two too.

yippee, maybe Wellens will work out after all.

Newport are 2-0 up.

I'm completely lost with this cup and have no idea what results are needed for our to progress and whether we actually want to


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 21:38:41
we need anything other than a Newport win to go through. they are 2-0 up.

which is fine by me


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 22:01:39
It was in reference to this "bollocks" from Wellen- .

But it is bollocks, I don't normally listen to what managers say any longer because they trot out cliches.... I prefer to judge by what I see on the pitch, or perhaps their stature in the game and then decide if they're worth listening to.

I'd prefer to hear something like we're 17th in Div 4 atm, and I don't want us to go lower, but it may take a while to look at the squad assess what we have, before we start climbing the league, so some patience from the fans may be needed.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: woolster on Tuesday, November 13, 2018, 23:17:19
I know this sounds hackneyed and a bit dewy eyed, but supporting STFC over a lot of years it always felt I was supporting a club that was a bit special, a bit different than the other lower league opponents.

Win a League Cup, could, and should, have made 2 more Finals, reach the dizzy heights of the PL, 100% winning record at the old Wembley, even the 100% losing record at the new - we’ve still been there.

The realisation has now sunk in that we have become the same as those lower league clubs that have spent almost all their existence just treading water - just existing. Yes, important to their fans but that’s about it.

Its difficult to envisage the new fella revitalising the club - he’s no Macari, Ardiles or Hoddle who the fans can rally round.

Luton weren’t too happy appointing Nathan Jones, Lincoln likewise with Cowley. ‘Who the fuck are they?’ Was the general reaction.

So, until proven otherwise, Wellens will get my full support and if anyone decides to lumber him with the Bellends moniker he/she should be banned.

I am the original Bellend!
best post yet


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 09:21:14
best post yet

How long would you say "if proven otherwise" is?

Kewell got 10 weeks at Notts..... an initial bounce, they'd only lost 1 home game to us, and climbed out of the drop zone, under his management.

The problem seemed to be his insistence on playing out from the back, meant a shaky defence particularly on the road.

Had Kewell won the key 6 pointer, t'other week, they'd be a point adrift of us.  Incidentally think they've Numb on Sat which is a massive game.

I reckon Wellens gets about 10 league games before Power can do any loan signings... maybe a couple more as it's usually last minute..  then he can more fairly be judged on getting players for positions he wants to improve.  In those 10 games he'll need at least 4 wins and a couple of draws, to keep us in a safeish 16th/17th.

Anything less than that and we'll be in trouble...


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 12:00:30
Decent read

http://d3d4football.com/swindon-town-appoint-richie-wellens-an-oldham-fans-view/

Here are the quotes from the original post of this on the Oldham forum about this write up..

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A very generous piece.

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I think he’ll struggle or be nothing more than ok.  He won’t get anywhere near the Money Abdallah threw at it for the first few months, and the ‘exciting football’ literally lasted for six games. His constant whingeing and excuses began to grate very quickly. Did he have issues to deal with- yes. But what lower league manager doesn’t? As a comparison- I’ve not heard Bunn mention once that his number two has been sacked, despite the fact it must be killing him- It’s called professionalism. Ritchie struggled with that.

Swindon have a got a manager who flatters to deceive IMO. Will blame ANYTHING he can for a defeat, or loss of form. He will demand Swindon ‘some him their ambition’ by signing players they can’t afford because he can’t get a tune out of what’s there or more likely who he’s already signed.

As singe says- look at his first quote on signing. . . Enough said.  "Richie Wellens after being appointed Swindon Town manager: "I had my first job at Oldham, which was going fantastically well, but the pitch deteriorated very badly and I had to change the way I played.""

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I wish him nothing but the best

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He fucking relegated us.

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The fuck is he supposed to say? 'I made a right hash of my last job and shouldn't have had any chance of getting this one' .... Come on.

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Jesus! Far too kind a few good games in the honeymoon period then a downward trend. After that he blamed everyone but himself

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He could of said.

I like to play attractive football, but I learnt from my time at Oldham that’s not always achievable with the pitches in the lower leagues, so it’s important we can adapt our style to the conditions as and when we need to.
Instead he said

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My first job at Oldham was going fantastically well, but the pitch deteriorated very badly, and I had to change the way I played.

One sounds positive and ready to learn from mistakes.

The other sounds bitter and resentful, and accepts no personal responsibility. 

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He shouldn't have blamed the pitch. Just, as L1E says, learned a lot , tricky time, first job etc.

And for 3 reasons

1) The pitch is always the same for both sides
2) Everyone's cut up somewhat after the weather we had.
3) We also played away from home, no change in tactics there.
4) He is admitted he can't scrap for a scruffy win, every team needs to do that. You can't play on carpets every week.

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Some of the football under Wellens was the best i have seen from an Oldham side in years.

He will not be anywhere near as hamstrung as he was here.
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Tenner going on Swindon to go up.

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The football second half of the season was us shambolically playing long ball to Doyle with our best playmaker stuck out wide not being involved.


Some good some bad some indifferent.

Only time will tell, good luck to him even if he wasn't most fans 1st, 2nd or 3rd choice, he may work he may not, fingers crossed it works out for us all.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 12:02:53
yeah, very contrasting opinions from Oldham fans.

we'll see


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 12:03:08
I see it as no more or less than a punt as other 'new' manager options, and I would have been happy with one of those.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 12:29:39
I do think it is worrying when in his first interview a manager is blaming the pitch for a loss of form.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 12:32:26
What if it's a genuine reason, though? Managers often bang on about how important it is to have the right pitch. Other managers often say how envious they are of ours.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 12:33:34
It's fine if he thinks we can play all games here


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 12:34:34
By the way i am willing to get behind him and not slating him just stating i did find that a weird thing to say


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 12:36:17
I do think it is worrying when in his first interview a manager is blaming the pitch for a loss of form.

I know people instinctively want to be "fair" after all fair play is a British trait.... but there really is very little about Wellens/Hunt that looks like the sort of thing we need right now. However it might be what Power needs in terms of his Waterford project


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Pax Romana on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 12:42:22
However it might be what Power needs in terms of his Waterford project

Do you ever get paranoid about your paranoia?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 12:44:47
It's fine if he thinks we can play all games here

At home you play to your own strengths. If you are unable to do that, for whatever reason, then you are going to struggle.

Obviously when you are away you need to adapt but for a team that was going to be struggling regardless, it was always going to be difficult for them to pick up points on the road. What's more is that we are not the only team in the division that has a decent pitch.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Pax Romana on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 12:47:24
Some good some bad some indifferent.

Only time will tell, good luck to him even if he wasn't most fans 1st, 2nd or 3rd choice, he may work he may not, fingers crossed it works out for us all.

For me, this sums it up pretty well really. 



Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 12:48:57
At home you play to your own strengths. If you are unable to do that, for whatever reason, then you are going to struggle.

Obviously when you are away you need to adapt but for a team that was going to be struggling regardless, it was always going to be difficult for them to pick up points on the road. What's more is that we are not the only team in the division that has a decent pitch.
I get that mate but his statement to me was weird. To me stating a pitch isn't great in your opening interview is weird


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 12:49:52
it would be nice to get some info on the appointment and vision for the clubs future, just to at least try and see where power is coming from.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 12:57:29
Do you ever get paranoid about your paranoia?

Try and stick to the issues.... why is Power parachuting in a Waterford player to be our cone carrier? 


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 13:06:25
Surely that's a fair enough question.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 13:28:53
Surely that's a fair enough question.

Well the Irish season finished about 3 weeks ago... so Hunt will be kicking his heels until Feb, when they start again, so he is at a loose end.  Difficult to know how many of the Waterford staff are full time, as there are lots of them, seeminly way in excess of the funds they generate.  In UK non league below say Conference S/N, it is common that many tasks are carried out by volunteers, or people working without pay.

Wellens himself mentioned I believe he was working without pay somewhere... Richards perhaps the same at Cobblers.

It may be as simple as Hunt is being paid by Power, so he thinks he might as well get some graft out of him til Feb, by which time we should have a clearer idea where the seaon is heading.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 13:35:46
Try and stick to the issues.... why is Power parachuting in a Waterford player to be our cone carrier? 

Because he has was an Assistant Manager?  Power knows his level of ability/performance?  Wellens was cool with it?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 13:38:32
It may be as simple as Hunt is being paid by Power, so he thinks he might as well get some graft out of him til Feb, by which time we should have a clearer idea where the seaon is heading.

Yeah, exactly.

But its quite unusual to put two people who (as far as we know) haven't worked together in as a new managerial team. Would make sense if, say, he'd moved Matt Taylor to #2 as he knows the club.

There needn't be anything sinister in it - but he's surely got to say something about it.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 13:39:46
Because he has was an Assistant Manager?  Power knows his level of ability/performance?  Wellens was cool with it?

See, completely missed he was  player-assistant manager at Waterford. At least he has some experience.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 13:41:17
I do think it is worrying when in his first interview a manager is blaming the pitch for a loss of form.

Am I missing something?  Like an interview for example? (Honest question).

I know he brought up the pitch at Oldham when he left there, but I hadn't seem him reference it in regards to getting the job here.

If he did bring it up, maybe the CG pitch was a selling point for what he wants to do with a team, so it is a good thing?  One of the Oldham comments suggests it happened to most teams, well, our pitch has been a bowling green for a few years, so a good place to come and manage if you want to try playing the ball on the ground.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 13:52:10
Am I missing something?  Like an interview for example? (Honest question).

I know he brought up the pitch at Oldham when he left there, but I hadn't seem him reference it in regards to getting the job here.

If he did bring it up, maybe the CG pitch was a selling point for what he wants to do with a team, so it is a good thing?  One of the Oldham comments suggests it happened to most teams, well, our pitch has been a bowling green for a few years, so a good place to come and manage if you want to try playing the ball on the ground.

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I had my first job at Oldham, which was going fantastically well, but the pitch deteriorated very badly and I had to change the way I played.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2018/november/wellens-joins-as-new-manager/


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 13:55:20
See, completely missed he was  player-assistant manager at Waterford. At least he has some experience.

Assistant coach.... to be exact.  Waterford started the season with a DoF in place.... Fenlon, with a head coach and Hunt as assistant.

Fenlon buggered off to be in charge of Power's "global Interests" and despite RobT's earnest entreaties for him to replace Flitcroft.... we got Brown, who for me being a guy like Fenlon in his 50's having managed for years in England was probably a better shout than Fenlon who hadn't a single game.

The question as to whether Fenlon, would have done a better job than Brown is moot.  We haven't heard much about Power's global interests of late.... the sunny Oz trip holding hands with Tactics... didn't seem to get very far, although Usain Bolt may have ended up at the prospective club... and Montengro Div 4 has gone a bit quiet.

I can't help thinking I'd prefer the owner of STFC  to be a fella or woman who concentrates on that.... for their football fix.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 14:01:35
Because he has was an Assistant Manager?  Power knows his level of ability/performance?  Wellens was cool with it?

Madness.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 14:04:34
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I had my first job at Oldham, which was going fantastically well, but the pitch deteriorated very badly and I had to change the way I played.

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2018/november/wellens-joins-as-new-manager/


Ta, so very much in the context of why he wanted to take this job.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 14:06:42
Fuck it, can't even quote properly today.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 14:12:38
Ta, so very much in the context of why he wanted to take this job.

You may as well face it.... this is Power going back to the old Luke style dictatorship, with a coach who does what he's told or tough shit.

No decent manager who has ever been here or no proper manager in history would put up with having someone dumped on him as a favour to the owner.

Someone like Ossie, came in and was happy enough to work with John Trollope say, as someone who knew the club inside out, so was helpful to a rookie gaffer. Andy Rowland did likewise during the Hoddle period, into McMahon.

Wellens will put up with it, as he wants a job..... I wonder what Matty Taylor's take on all this is?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 14:15:09
You may as well face it.... this is Power going back to the old Luke style dictatorship, with a coach who does what he's told or tough shit.

I don't think its a given, but its a possible.

If he comes out and says Wellens has free reign then fair enough.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 14:17:11
I don't have any issue with that approach, if that is what is being taken.  Two tried and tested total control Managers have done little.  No one way has a right to be the right one - this might be a morphed version.  Did it work under Williams, clearly not, did this season work under Brown, clearly not.  I have no strong feelings on Wellens, we shall see how it pans out.  I remain of the opinion that a decent person in charge should have this team competing for the top seven (not top three).  He clearly has been told he will be judged in that fashion as well.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 14:22:15
I don't have any issue with that approach, if that is what is being taken.  Two tried and tested total control Managers have done little.  No one way has a right to be the right one - this might be a morphed version.  Did it work under Williams, clearly not, did this season work under Brown, clearly not.  I have no strong feelings on Wellens, we shall see how it pans out.  I remain of the opinion that a decent person in charge should have this team competing for the top seven (not top three).  He clearly has been told he will be judged in that fashion as well.

I think Batch pointed out the consequences of the failed model Div 3 was Div 4..... and therein lies the danger of a repeat.

Wellens will need at least 4 wins and a couple of draws into mid Jan, to keep us around 16th/17th, that's from 10 games.  That want be easy


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 14:25:54
I think Batch pointed out the consequences of the failed model Div 3 was Div 4..... and therein lies the danger of a repeat.

Wellens will need at least 4 wins and a couple of draws into mid Jan, to keep us around 16th/17th, that's from 10 games.  That want be easy

Turn it in Reg. We're 10 (TEN) points above the drop zone and in equal 14th. We're also 7 points off the last play off spot.

Basically, i won't panic, just yet!


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 14:28:39
If Power really has little interest in preserving our league status, why sack Brown? Surely a change of manager indicates some level of ‘care’.

It doesn’t matter what nefarious intentions he may have - they will be better served in the FL than out of it.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 14:29:01
I think Batch pointed out the consequences of the failed model Div 3 was Div 4..... and therein lies the danger of a repeat.

Quite right.

Based on IF we return to a loan young players/play technical passing football, there is no safety net.
Also, the Luke Williams tippy tappy football bored me far more than the Flitcroft/Brown era. I think I may be in a minority here.

Look its all a long way from having to worry about such things. But in the absence of any information then the 'what ifs' fill the void.
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PS I think we'll be fine this year. If we luck out with Wellens the playoffs are only 7 points away.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 14:29:23
DoF got us a L1 Play Off Final - might be something to do with the squad, the person running the coaching etc.  Just a thought.

Four wins is achievable, as are five losses.  Let's see how he gets on.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 14:32:04
If Power really has little interest in preserving our league status, why sack Brown? Surely a change of manager indicates some level of ‘care’.

It doesn’t matter what nefarious intentions he may have - they will be better served in the FL than out of it.
Completely agree.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 14:43:37
If Power really has little interest in preserving our league status, why sack Brown? Surely a change of manager indicates some level of ‘care’.

It doesn’t matter what nefarious intentions he may have - they will be better served in the FL than out of it.

With Power it's not so much nefarious intentions as just making bad decisions, and this looks like a bad decision. 

Yes Rob we could win 4 games, that would be decent the last 10 have gleaned 2 wins and 9 points.  On last seasons numbers a continuation of current form would leave us 4 points off the drop zone. This is why Brown was sacked... Wellens has to get that short term bounce or we're in trouble.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 14:49:14
Keeping Brown would have been a gamble. Appointing any new manager is a gamble. But doing it a few weeks before the transfer window is the best time to do it.

I can’t really see what other ‘type’ of manager we could have gone for. A ‘name’ wouldn’t be interested, we’ve tried the experienced guy. The only other ones are the serial failures.

Maybe Hunt is here as a player until the window conjures up a gem!


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 14:53:17
Keeping Brown would have been a gamble. Appointing any new manager is a gamble. But doing it a few weeks before the transfer window is the best time to do it.

Spot on. Everything's a gamble. There's still plenty to play for including promotion. It seems far fetched but mathematically we're closer to that possibility than the drop zone. We'd have to go on a wretched run to go down. I mean Reg has probably trawled through every stat he can find and he's still got us staying up by 4 points. :-)


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 14:56:25
he's still got us staying up by 4 points. :-)

That is very positive coming from Reg.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 15:42:21
That is very positive coming from Reg.

Indeed, he might be turning...positive?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 16:27:54
Wellens' latest comments suggest quite clearly that recruitment is down to him. Not that that will stop the conspiracy theorists.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 16:28:26
Indeed, he might be turning...positive?

Better than turning Japanese..... (that's a throwaway British cultural reference btw, I'm an admirer of Japanese culture, apart from the anomalous war years)

As posted recently the points required to stay up in Div 4, do vary between seasons by sometimes 10 or more. If you get a couple of proper strugglers or maybe someone deducted points, then it's much easier.  Not something to rely on though... Macc do look in trouble but what about Numb.... they did the sack the old head, replace with young inexperienced coach gambit and he hasn't won in 10.  Now maybe it's taken Duff this long to sort a few things out, and they'll pick up, further they've 2 games against us.

If Numb beat Notts on Saturday that throws the cat amongst the pigeons.... Notts are doing a very good impression of being worse than us...


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 16:35:08
Wellens' latest comments suggest quite clearly that recruitment is down to him. Not that that will stop the conspiracy theorists.
Link please you Park Southian


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 16:37:44
Wellens' latest comments suggest quite clearly that recruitment is down to him. Not that that will stop the conspiracy theorists.

His comment about players aged 26-28 is fair enough I think we all see that.... these are players in their prime and cost. Best of luck with that Rich.

It's like when Tactics said we needed some experience in the window, and got Dabo, Colkett, Feruz, Conroy and Jesse Starkey... Ince although mid 20's had only got 50 odd games under his belt


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 16:38:12
Link please you Park Southian

https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/17223317.richie-wellens-will-allow-swindon-town-players-to-prove-themselves-before-considering-january-options/


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 16:43:51
Quote from: Flashheart
Wellens' latest comments suggest quite clearly that recruitment is down to him. Not that that will stop the conspiracy theorists.
encouraging, especially talk of experience


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 16:56:00
its quite obvious that power has recruited wellen above others purely based on him playing the way he would like his team to play. no problem with that, we do seem to have the players to fit.

for all of our long ball and crossing it doesn't seem to have worked. players like doughty and anderson especially could benefit from getting it down and playing triangles.

it worked fantastically for the playoff season but then again we did have tens of millions worth of players in the team. without those we ended up with anton rodgers trying to what luongo made look easy.

its a tough ask but i like having a team that plays in a consistent style of play and then you can really build and buy a team into that. having a style of play also helps with attracting decent loan players.

i did laugh to myself the last home match when you keep seeing the sprinklers come on at a half time just so we can play brown hoof ball. if wellens needs a decent surface then christ we have had one of the best pitches in the lower leagues consistently for many a year.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 17:10:02
encouraging, especially talk of experience

That'll be Noel Hunt  ;)


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 17:10:36
don't!


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 17:11:44
Better than Mike Hunt, I suppose  :pint:


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RedRag on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 17:58:43
really out of the loop here but is there any possibility that Noel Hunt could don his boots and perhaps do a "Richards" (last season's, not this!) for us?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 18:01:59
really out of the loop here but is there any possibility that Noel Hunt could don his boots and perhaps do a "Richards" (last season's, not this!) for us?

I'd imagine that 8 goals from 30 odd games in the last 5 and a half years would clinch it for Power.


Title: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 18:25:07
power speaks. assume it's available elsewhere/already posted

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/46210029


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 18:29:07
Strange choice of outlet, but sounds entirely logical and mirroring most fans’ opinion.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 18:30:51
The outlet is the BBC. That footydeck thing appears to be an app.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 18:32:28
First I have seen of it, copied below...

The Jewell comments will do nothing to dispel the ‘jobs for the boys’ comments, and I’d be interested to know Mr Smeeton’s thoughts on the apparent pre season ambition being a promotion bid rather than a stay in the league effort.

As far as I’m concerned, these are all sensible comments.

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New Swindon Town manager Richie Wellens "looked like he had won the lottery" when he was told he had got the job, says Robins chairman Lee Power.

The former Oldham Athletic boss, 38, was appointed on Tuesday, after the League Two club sacked Phil Brown.

Swindon are 17th in the table, seven points below the play-off places.

"He is the first manager I have had who was chomping at the bit and could not wait to [start], with a very infectious character," Power told BBC Wiltshire.

"He looked like he had won the lottery. That's how he comes across. I felt the football club needed that injection and needed a lift."

Wellens, who is the fifth different Swindon manager in three years, spent just under a season as Oldham boss, winning 14 of his 43 games in charge, but left in the summer after their relegation from League One on the final day.

"What he did at Oldham was quite incredible. He performed miracles there, just to keep them alive until the final day," Power continued.

"[Former Wigan and Derby boss] Paul Jewell spoke very highly of him. I'd spoken to Richie in the summer, when I was contemplating whether to renew Phil [Brown]'s stay or to make a change back then.

"But I felt it was only fair to give Phil a crack of the whip with his own players. So Richie's always been in the back of my mind."

Robins' form 'had gone stale' under Brown

Former Hull City and Southend United boss Brown succeeded David Flitcroft at the County Ground in March and led Swindon to a ninth-placed finish last season.

On dismissing the 59-year-old, Power added: "It was a difficult decision.

"When Phil came in last season, we thought we would definitely make the play-offs, if not try and get up automatically. That didn't work.

"In the summer, we sat down and Phil asked me to give him an opportunity with his own players. He felt that with his own group he could get us up this year.

"He worked hard and he's an honest man but ultimately it's a results business. It felt a bit sour and results weren't what they want to be.

"It looked like it had gone a bit stale. I think the change had to be made. He understood. I wish him well and I'm sure he'll be back in football soon."


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 18:39:28
First I have seen of it, copied below...

The Jewell comments will do nothing to dispel the ‘jobs for the boys’ comments, and I’d be interested to know Mr Smeeton’s thoughts on the apparent pre season ambition being a promotion bid rather than a stay in the league effort.

As far as I’m concerned, these are all sensible comments.

well, Power’s own choices haven’t been up to much, so asking the advice of someone else seems like a sensible move.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 18:44:30
apologies, link changed to BBC direct


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 18:46:40
Was he? Tactics, I presume?

He was already at the club, though.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 18:47:35
I just removed that as you replied, may be I imagined it, can't find any supporting evidence


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 18:50:29
Aha!

https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2016/november/tim-sherwood-appointed-as-towns-new-director-of-football/
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Speaking about joining Town, Sherwood said: “I’ve had other offers but this is an interesting project that I’ve had a close eye on for four years since I started loaning players into this football club,” he told the assembled media.


“Luke Williams is at the football club because of me, he was my recommendation, I came across him in the development phase of the game and I recommended him to Lee (Power).

No Tactics Tim involved this time, so its kind of irrelevant.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RedRag on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 18:52:16
New Swindon Town manager Richie Wellens "looked like he had won the lottery" when he was told he had got the job

As well he might.

Having apparently worked for "free" under John Sheridan at the Latics.

Wellens the cheap option appealing to Power?

The experienced route under Fltitcroft and Brown, in which I must admit I'd seen some merit, appears not to have worked.

On the other hand...

Wellens does seem ambitious.  He does have the benefit of a modicum of experience.  Even if it was ultimately unsuccesful.  If he learns from it then that would still be valuable.  And if he also enjoys a bit of luck (the quality most esteemed by Napoleon in his Generals). 

As they say "we go again...".  Upwards this time, please.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RedRag on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 18:56:51
I'd imagine that 8 goals from 30 odd games in the last 5 and a half years would clinch it for Power.
Thanks.  That sort of answers it.  

Richards, Hunt and Taylor all have a few goals in them.  If we looked for a Carer, an RGN and an Activities Co-Ordinator in midfield, I guess they could still do a job for us.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 19:02:38
 Chang nothing there which we hadn't deduced or knew as the TEF collective.  As for the promotion aim.... in the words of Mandy Rice-Davies much beloved of Tory politicians of old "well he would say that, wouldn't he" 

I prefer to look at pre-season squad development, and there was nothing suggesting a serious effort... if you build a squad for top 3 and fall a bit short, you still get PO's, if you build a side for 7th and slip up you're midtable... if as we seemed to do you build a side for mid table and slip up you're in trouble.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: bamboonoshop on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 19:30:41

... if you build a squad for top 3 and fall a bit short, you still get PO's, if you build a side for 7th and slip up you're midtable... if as we seemed to do you build a side for mid table and slip up you're in trouble.

Oh come on Reginald, that's a large leap. Going by your structure it should continue as;

...build a side for mid table and slip up, you're about 18th at worse. Build a side for a doldrumic environment and slip up, you're conference bound.

It seems any team can have any plan it likes but the only one that could guarantee almost certainty is if you build a side for relegation (which would be verging on insanity). Even then, there are still many factors that you can't control. Exhibit one; someone being shitter than you.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 19:32:07
Chang nothing there which we hadn't deduced or knew as the TEF collective.  As for the promotion aim.... in the words of Mandy Rice-Davies much beloved of Tory politicians of old "well he would say that, wouldn't he"  

I prefer to look at pre-season squad development, and there was nothing suggesting a serious effort... if you build a squad for top 3 and fall a bit short, you still get PO's, if you build a side for 7th and slip up you're midtable... if as we seemed to do you build a side for mid table and slip up you're in trouble.

Please share your midtable budget information comparable with the rest of the league with us all.
you make it seem so easy. did Notts County set up for mid table?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 19:55:37
the source of the BBC piece

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p06rs94t


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 19:55:49
There's a 17 min interview with Power on the BBC as well.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p06rs94t


Title: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 19:58:25
budget 2M, cut from a top 3 last year, to a top 5 this season, Power


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 20:02:43
budget 2M, cut from a top 3 last year, to a top 5 this season, Power

Quote
I’d be interested to know Mr Smeeton’s thoughts



Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 20:06:20
Shaun ‘Stone Wash’ Hodgetts, for all his critics of being up Power’s arse etc, has put the  ‘judge me in 5 years comments’ to him. He responds by mentioning the off field ownership battles, admits appointing LW was a mistake and questions the signings made by Flitcroft.

The interview is well worth a listen.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 20:09:37
Please share your midtable budget information comparable with the rest of the league with us all.
you make it seem so easy. did Notts County set up for mid table?

We've done this many times; last year the budget was reckoned about 7th... remember Flitcroft saying how we couldn't compete wit Div 4's big hitters... we knew Chesterfield were 6th (see David Conn's analysis)

We know this year's was reduced as a consequence of failing to go up, but reckoned to be about 10th... the hope being that Brown might be able to add value to that.... one of his selling points,  was that he'd always finished above budget.

A reasonable strategy.... but as Spireites showed last season and Notts this it can go wrong.  Conversely it can go right with good management as Accy and Wycombe have shown. Most clubs will mostly finish somewhere near their budget.... when we won Div 4 under PdC we had the biggest budget.


Title: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 20:11:31
At least he's said something at last!

Doesn't ease my reservations but at least he's explained it.

get a few wins and it'll all calm down.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 20:17:02
Every time I hear Power speak - it does actually reassure me. It’s a shame nothing on the pitch follows.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 20:19:51
what he said was fine. Not sure he could have said anything more to reassure.

but as you said, the proof is in the pudding


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 20:47:19
 You can get a reasonable handle on respective spends by looking at the agents fees clubs dish out per season, as generally speaking the more money will be spent on what should be, but clearly always isn't, a higher grade of player... also the more of these players you need will also reflect... you would think that agents aren't involved in loans, but I suppose it's possible

 Clubs have to produce these figures.  We came in 16th in that list, and finished 9th. As has been said many times Accy and Wycombe did well with modest budgets, Cov and Luton's spends got them up, FGR's kept them up

ACCRINGTON STANLEY
£9,632
BARNET
£31,147
CAMBRIDGE UNITED
£42,449
CARLISLE UNITED
£38,470
CHELTENHAM TOWN
£33,123
CHESTERFIELD
£80,477
COLCHESTER UNITED
£41,617
COVENTRY CITY
£113,620
CRAWLEY TOWN
£4,680
CREWE ALEXANDRA
£9,388
EXETER CITY
£41,540
FOREST GREEN ROVERS
£70,846
GRIMSBY TOWN
£42,232
LINCOLN CITY
£28,549
LUTON TOWN
£75,525
MANSFIELD TOWN
£85,940
MORECAMBE
£8,801
NEWPORT COUNTY
£19,058
NOTTS COUNTY
£76,426
PORT VALE
£29,495
STEVENAGE
£17,420
SWINDON TOWN
£27,383
WYCOMBE WANDERERS
£7,311
YEOVIL TOWN
£23,840


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 21:16:55
In case you missed it the first time Reg:

budget 2M, cut from a top 3 last year, to a top 5 this season, Power


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 21:18:12
perhaps he doesn't believe power?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 21:42:31
You can get a reasonable handle on respective spends by looking at the agents fees clubs dish out per season, as generally speaking the more money will be spent on what should be, but clearly always isn't, a higher grade of player... also the more of these players you need will also reflect... you would think that agents aren't involved in loans, but I suppose it's possible

 Clubs have to produce these figures.  We came in 16th in that list, and finished 9th. As has been said many times Accy and Wycombe did well with modest budgets, Cov and Luton's spends got them up, FGR's kept them up

ACCRINGTON STANLEY
£9,632
BARNET
£31,147
CAMBRIDGE UNITED
£42,449
CARLISLE UNITED
£38,470
CHELTENHAM TOWN
£33,123
CHESTERFIELD
£80,477
COLCHESTER UNITED
£41,617
COVENTRY CITY
£113,620
CRAWLEY TOWN
£4,680
CREWE ALEXANDRA
£9,388
EXETER CITY
£41,540
FOREST GREEN ROVERS
£70,846
GRIMSBY TOWN
£42,232
LINCOLN CITY
£28,549
LUTON TOWN
£75,525
MANSFIELD TOWN
£85,940
MORECAMBE
£8,801
NEWPORT COUNTY
£19,058
NOTTS COUNTY
£76,426
PORT VALE
£29,495
STEVENAGE
£17,420
SWINDON TOWN
£27,383
WYCOMBE WANDERERS
£7,311
YEOVIL TOWN
£23,840
The only thing that list proves is that agent fees paid aren't an indicator of where you will finish in the league.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 21:45:03
perhaps he doesn't believe power?

Well seeing as how we needed a more or less new squad, to be top 3 it would mean we're paying decent wages, but agents out of the generosity of their hearts are prepared to accept a smaller cut than they're entitled.

Which is kind of them.... of course if you had a squad already in place, then you might only need a couple of players for that season but we recruited something like 13 or 14.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 21:57:08
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say some clubs won’t have a problem paying agents what they ask and others will have a limit they are prepare to pay.

Linking agent fees to budgets is a stretch to say the least. Plus people don’t have a clue what every club’s budget is, educated guess work at the best.

Power would be unlikely to know where our budget ranks in the division


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 22:08:28
Don’t clubs have to register their budgets with the EFL before the season starts? Don’t know if that info is confidential or available for anyone else to see.

I presume, speaking to Wellens, that Oldham’s budget of £1.4m in L1 is accurate.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 22:09:49
I’m gonna go out on a limb here and say some clubs won’t have a problem paying agents what they ask and others will have a limit they are prepare to pay.

Linking agent fees to budgets is a stretch to say the least. Plus people don’t have a clue what every club’s budget is, educated guess work at the best.

Power would be unlikely to know where our budget ranks in the division

It gives you a clue... no more than that.... if you look at the Prem, top agent fees payers were Liverpool and Man City... Chelsea were a bit below their spend and Spurs a bit above... Man U about as expected and Arsenal off the pace.

Then at the other end a clutch of clubs with relatively modest spends, as you'd expect... the likes of Burnley and Huddersfield, who stayed up but Swansea and WBA who went down. Any of these their spend would outstrip the whole of Div 4.

The clue is that the market general rates the better players more highly.... therefore they cost more, therefore the agent takes more by way of %.  It's not a perfect correlation.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 22:12:24
Don’t clubs have to register their budgets with the EFL before the season starts? Don’t know if that info is confidential or available for anyone else to see.

I presume, speaking to Wellens, that Oldham’s budget of £1.4m in L1 is accurate.

If that is the case and the information is freely available then I take it all back.

I’ve never seen it though, sort of thing I would have expected to see posted somewhere if it was public knowledge


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 22:14:26
I might be wrong, but don't players pay their agents when signing on?  I thought agent fees were the club paying an agent to do something for them.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 22:18:19
Don’t clubs have to register their budgets with the EFL before the season starts? Don’t know if that info is confidential or available for anyone else to see.

I presume, speaking to Wellens, that Oldham’s budget of £1.4m in L1 is accurate.

That would stack up against their 20K agent spend... which along with Bury's similar amount was one of the smaller in Div 3, they both got relegated.  However they were up against other Lancs outfits like Blackburn 764 K spend and Wigan 557K spend, it's what got them up. Rotherham did well to join them with a more modest 136K


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: digby on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 22:22:21
In that recent interview didn't Power refer to a list of budgets, and then went on to quote other clubs budgets - if such a list exists, where would you find it ? Might putt to bed all these guesses/tenuous links to other financial goings on !


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 22:28:53
I might be wrong, but don't players pay their agents when signing on?  I thought agent fees were the club paying an agent to do something for them.

It's all a bit murky... some agents act for the player and club.  Clubs pay the players to pay the agents.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 22:38:11
Every time I hear Power speak - it does actually reassure me. It’s a shame nothing on the pitch follows.

I think i've heard all of his interviews. And call me a happy clapper, but the only thing i think he's guilty of, or poor at, is being unlucky.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 22:40:00
I might be wrong, but don't players pay their agents when signing on?  I thought agent fees were the club paying an agent to do something for them.

As reg said, probably lower down, but not the top prem sides, thats all laundered money delivered in gold helicopters!


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 22:48:13
I think i've heard all of his interviews. And call me a happy clapper, but the only thing i think he's guilty of, or poor at, is being unlucky.
Don't disagree with this.

I think his major cock up was the poor communication in the first couple of years, this created a chasm for rumours and conspiracy theories to build and as they say mud sticks.

Sherwood and Williams were very poor judgements though, wonder how close him and Sherwood are these days after the latters Teflon act?


Title: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 22:49:02
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I think i've heard all of his interviews. And call me a happy clapper, but the only thing i think he's guilty of, or poor at, is being unlucky.

personally think he deserved all he got with Williams, Sherwood and the swindon way.

unlucky with ling

didn't do anything ring with Flitcroft and brown

edit: beaten to it!


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 22:57:43
Don't disagree with this.

I think his major cock up was the poor communication in the first couple of years, this created a chasm for rumours and conspiracy theories to build and as they say mud sticks.

Sherwood and Williams were very poor judgements though, wonder how close him and Sherwood are these days after the latters Teflon act?

I'm hoping he hinted it will be better, as he mentioned social media a couple of times, and how he's learning. Doesnt matter how long in the tooth you are, as long as you keep people informed they forgive fuck up's. Can happen to anyone, particularly when you rely on other people not to fuck up. Every time he does speak out we aren't trying to do a jigsaw with 3 pieces missing.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, November 14, 2018, 23:24:57
IF he can pull of the training ground, county ground purchase/redevelopment, and get us back up a league it will be a success. He has put things in place for this to happen, the only thing he can't really control is the 3rd option. without serious splashing of the cash and even then its still in the hands of a manager and players.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 09:00:43
I think i've heard all of his interviews. And call me a happy clapper, but the only thing i think he's guilty of, or poor at, is being unlucky.

I've said the same thing before several times. He's certainly not helped himself at times and he has made some huge mistakes, but a lot of it really is just down to plain bad luck. Both Brown and Flitcroft were decent appointments on paper. Ling was looking good.

People complain that Power's draining the soul from the club and other such verbiage. It's superficial. If the product on the pitch was better people would be more positive, and that's down to poor luck with managers. Once he gets a stroke of luck with a manager then it'll all be fine.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 09:05:27
Actually, when I say 'it'll all be fine', you'd still get cunts moaning.

When we made the playoff finals that could have got us into the Championship people were moaning. The conspiracy theorists were out saying he only wanted us to go up so he could make money and take us down again (into non-league). The same conspiracy theorists were saying he threw the match when we lost.

Not much you can do about those.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 09:18:45
It all stems from Luke Williams - which Power admitted was solely his mistake, especially as he didn’t particularly want the job.

Now, I don’t think the appointment, per se, was a mistake but because at the time he was still a kind of DoF and hands on, he needed a pliable fella like Luke to put up with it.

One other thing about that Power interview, and I know he is not that articulate at times, but when asked about his ‘judge me after 5 years’ statement he said ‘That 5 years is up next year and I hope I’ll have left the club at least in the position I found it’

Read anything into that or just Power rambling


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: phelpsieboy on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 09:28:36
It all stems from Luke Williams - which Power admitted was solely his mistake, especially as he didn’t particularly want the job.

Now, I don’t think the appointment, per se, was a mistake but because at the time he was still a kind of DoF and hands on, he needed a pliable fella like Luke to put up with it.

One other thing about that Power interview, and I know he is not that articulate at times, but when asked about his ‘judge me after 5 years’ statement he said ‘That 5 years is up next year and I hope I’ll have left the club at least in the position I found it’

Read anything into that or just Power rambling
I noticed that too... especially when some of his recent activities indicate a potential exit strategy. He also sounded a bit fed up at times in that interview.

Still think there is more than meets the eye with Clem's involvement. There has been an Australian consortium trying to enter the English game for some time with an eye of creating a pathway into English football for budding Australians who can't get into the A League - replicating exactly what Clem said in his interview the other month. Of course they could be working completely exclusive of each other and just have the same idea, but it does make you wonder. Especially when their prospective purchase of Charlton hasn't progressed in the past year.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 09:32:06
It all stems from Luke Williams

Power was the devil incarnate before he appointed Williams. In fact, he was the devil incarnate before he even bought the club. Remember Fredi?


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 10:35:42
Power was the devil incarnate before he appointed Williams. In fact, he was the devil incarnate before he even bought the club. Remember Fredi?

The 70 odd pages of the Fredi Mercs  :bike: thread was a TEF classic.

http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=51390.0


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 11:19:13
I think i've heard all of his interviews. And call me a happy clapper, but the only thing i think he's guilty of, or poor at, is being unlucky.
I agree, I think in the main he comes accross well in interviews despite what many Town fans seem to think of him, the devil incarnate.

I think his major cock up was the poor communication in the first couple of years, this created a chasm for rumours and conspiracy theories to build and as they say mud sticks.
Concurred.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 13:20:32
I agree, I think in the main he comes accross well in interviews despite what many Town fans seem to think of him, the devil incarnate.
Concurred.

I don't know any Town fans as it were on the ground, ie those who still go and mostly Swindon based, who have much time for Power.  But we're stuck with him for the foreseeable.   It will be interesting to see how the players react to Wellens, nobody wants non league football, but if Power has misjudged this situation it becomes a real possibilty.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 13:38:12
I don't know any Town fans as it were on the ground, ie those who still go and mostly Swindon based, who have much time for Power. 
Same here. Not suggesting everyone is a foaming at the mouth Christian whassisface but don't know anyone who thinks very much at all of him


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 13:56:18
Same here. Not suggesting everyone is a foaming at the mouth Christian whassisface but don't know anyone who thinks very much at all of him

I'm not sure how anyone can be jumping with joy at the way the club has slumped. It doesn't much matter if you think he's been unlucky or if he's the devil incarnate.

As far as I am concerned he's brought much of the animosity on himself with a near total lack of engagement with his "customers" and a complete lack of transparency.

Its not about being obliged to do such things,  its about building bridges with the community - because that's important to a small club. People will always find excuses not to go when results are bad, but its starting to piss off the regulars (base don the disappearing ST holders around me)

Its not all bad

At least Clem and the supporters groups do seem to be working together to try and do some good stuff, and Power may well be the driver behind that. So credit there. If it (ground, training facilities) gets delivered under Power's shift and doesn't screw the club over I can see it may be the most significant period of ownership in decades.

Also can see sense in his previous two managerial appointments in terms of experience and letting them get on with it.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Nijholts Nuts on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 15:30:16
If offered in 2015 to have the chance to own the County Ground and our own training facility at cost of a few years in Div 4, I would have taken it.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 15:44:57
If offered in 2015 to have the chance to own the County Ground and our own training facility at cost of a few years in Div 4, I would have taken it.

We won't own either.... Power owns Highworth and if things develop and frankly I think it's a long shot.... what we might call we, ie The Trust won't own the CG either.

Personally I'd rather the Chelsea/Man City model, whereby the owners rent the Stadium and invest in the football.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 15:53:38
If offered in 2015 to have the chance to own the County Ground and our own training facility at cost of a few years in Div 4, I would have taken it.

Absolutely.

Whether these come to fruition remains to be seen but if they do, Power could turn out to be one of the best owners we've ever had. He still wouldn't get credit from some, though.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Nijholts Nuts on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 15:58:28
The thing that makes me edgy is, if Reg is correct and Power owns Highworth and has a personal stake in the ground then if it all goes sour Power will have some rather substantial and long term fingers in the STFC pie which would not be an attractive proposition for any new potential chairman. It'd be like shagging your new bird whilst she's sucking off her ex.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 16:01:58
Absolutely.

Whether these come to fruition remains to be seen but if they do, Power could turn out to be one of the best owners we've ever had. He still wouldn't get credit from some, though.
Spot on, I don't like him but for me he hasn't done much wrong so far, most of my not liking of him comes entirely from other people opinions of him who know him.

As for the last comment....if (yes its a big if) he really does become one of our best owners then I would still say that 90% of our fan base would not give him any credit whatsoever.

Just trying to redress the balance of downright hatred of him which seems to be prevalent on fb, and at times, on here too from many.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 16:04:35
He owns the Highworth property, that is clear public knowledge.  The cub is getting, assuming it gets developed, a long term lease (like it had on the CG).

I doubt very much he'd be sole and direct owner of the ground, he doesn't have the money.  That's going to need some external financing I imagine.

As he owns STFC currently, he owns all the leases anyway.  Unless the fans by him out, that's just life.  Clearly fans can apply pressure, like when Diamandis had his arms up both of the Wills but ultimately found an unwilling customer base.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 16:05:44
I doubt the trust will invest into anything without it being co owned with the football club itself and not power or some other shell co.

and surely they'd also make sure legally a sale of the club couldn't split off the ground lease to power.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 16:05:44
The thing that makes me edgy is, if Reg is correct and Power owns Highworth and has a personal stake in the ground then if it all goes sour Power will have some rather substantial and long term fingers in the STFC pie which would not be an attractive proposition for any new potential chairman. It'd be like shagging your new bird whilst she's sucking off her ex.

Power has said on many occasion he intends to sell eventually to a buyer. If he wants to achieve that, he has to be selling something that people want to buy.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Nijholts Nuts on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 16:08:13
He won't be forgiven by the FB lot until STFC's God given right to be League 1 or higher has been restored. No matter what good stuff he does off the pitch.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 16:11:55
He won't be forgiven by the FB lot until STFC's God given right to be League 1 or higher has been restored.

He'd still be the devil incarnate even then.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 16:19:38
The thing that makes me edgy is, if Reg is correct and Power owns Highworth and has a personal stake in the ground then if it all goes sour Power will have some rather substantial and long term fingers in the STFC pie which would not be an attractive proposition for any new potential chairman. It'd be like shagging your new bird whilst she's sucking off her ex.

Conversely it could be argued that if getting some real estate, a new buyer wouldn't be able to get the club for a quid for a laugh.  It does of course, mean that proper pirates would be interested, as we've always managed to see these off because SBC own the ground.... here's what can happen on our very doorstep.... at the Abbey Stadium

 More than 100 houses on the site have been built with many already occupied - there is outline permission for more than 120 more.

A Councillor said: “It’s been incredibly frustrating trying to get this stadium delivered.

“I don’t want to see another house constructed on the site until Gaming International deliver a new speedway stadium that is good for Swindon.

“It shows the esteem the developer shows this committee that they can’t be bothered to turn up tonight - it’s disgusting frankly.

“I don’t really trust them not to build more houses and then not deliver the stadium and just p*** off, basically.

“We need to put a line in the sand because the developer is still in breach of the previous section 106 agreement.

“We should say what enforcement we’re going to bring.”

Ward councillor Vera Tomlinson said the borough council needed to give a firm lead to the developers to get the stadium redeveloped.

She proposed approving the application with a condition that permission be granted as long as no more houses are built or occupied on the site until the stadium is rebuilt.

Gaming International, which runs Abbey Stadium, declined to comment on the matter.

Personally after an initial bout of enthusiasm.... I don't want Power anywhere near owning the CG

     
 
   





Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 16:51:54
The planning application for the training ground has been submitted in the name of Swindon Town FC, however they have completed Cert B and confirmed that the owner of the application site is Mr L Power.... There may be something amongst the plethora of planning docs that will explain the on-going relationship but I don't have time to look*, likewise I suspect that if it starts heading towards consent a s.106 will be needed and if so and they upload this to the website (which they should although probably redacted to agree) the commitments and liabilities held therein should go a long way to explaining the situation.

* This may or may not work as a link to the application, https://pa1.swindon.gov.uk/publicaccess/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=PHIPQ2PTJV300 otherwise just search for application ref: S/18/1781



Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 16:55:25
Conversely it could be argued that if getting some real estate, a new buyer wouldn't be able to get the club for a quid for a laugh.  It does of course, mean that proper pirates would be interested, as we've always managed to see these off because SBC own the ground.... here's what can happen on our very doorstep.... at the Abbey Stadium

 More than 100 houses on the site have been built with many already occupied - there is outline permission for more than 120 more.

A Councillor said: “It’s been incredibly frustrating trying to get this stadium delivered.

“I don’t want to see another house constructed on the site until Gaming International deliver a new speedway stadium that is good for Swindon.

“It shows the esteem the developer shows this committee that they can’t be bothered to turn up tonight - it’s disgusting frankly.

“I don’t really trust them not to build more houses and then not deliver the stadium and just p*** off, basically.

“We need to put a line in the sand because the developer is still in breach of the previous section 106 agreement.

“We should say what enforcement we’re going to bring.”

Ward councillor Vera Tomlinson said the borough council needed to give a firm lead to the developers to get the stadium redeveloped.

She proposed approving the application with a condition that permission be granted as long as no more houses are built or occupied on the site until the stadium is rebuilt.

Gaming International, which runs Abbey Stadium, declined to comment on the matter.

Personally after an initial bout of enthusiasm.... I don't want Power anywhere near owning the CG

     
 
   





The Councillors could basically say, we majorly buggered up on the planning permission, as a Council as its easy to just include clauses in the Consent and/or s.106 which requires phasing and X to be completed before y is started, I have had many schemes where you get enabling housing but you a) have to lodge a performance bond with the Council before you start which will then be used to do the beneficial works if you default or b) can only build say 25% of the housing before you have to do the beneficial works before which you build the rest which is the bit that makes the allowed 20% profit.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: DV Canio on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 17:37:45
Absolutely.

Whether these come to fruition remains to be seen but if they do, Power could turn out to be one of the best owners we've ever had. He still wouldn't get credit from some, though.

I concur.

However, it all feels a bit like building solid foundations but putting a shed on top!
Power could very well provide us with the most solid foundations we’ve had for god knows how many years.

We’ll need a new investor/owner to build the nice house on top of those foundations.

Rightly or wrongly football clubs & their owners get judged more on the on pitch stuff than off pitch stuff.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 17:56:06
We’ll need a new investor/owner to build the nice house on top of those foundations.

I'm sure Gaming International would oblige.... like at Abbey Stadium  and Plainmoor amongst others...... local too, so know how to handle SBC (ignore them).

They could even promise Power a new stadium out at Highworth..... all reasonable.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 19:05:38
Gaming International has plenty of previous when it comes to shutting down greyhound stadia for redevelopment.

Eastville, Reading and Milton Keynes have all gone under their stewardship.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 19:29:18
Gaming International has plenty of previous when it comes to shutting down greyhound stadia for redevelopment.

Eastville, Reading and Milton Keynes have all gone under their stewardship.

I only use it as an example of what can happen if a stadium is the property of an individual whose aim is to make money...

I'm sure some think the nice Mr Power, will bung 30 mill or so at the club develop a nice stadium and then hand it over to the good people of Swindon, in perpetuity.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 19:35:34
I thought the council have halted new housing until the stadium is built now


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: ronnie21 on Thursday, November 15, 2018, 20:32:51
I thought the council have halted new housing until the stadium is built now
That is what has been reported.  Should be noted that Coun. Vera Tomlinson who proposed that no more houses until the stadium is built is the mother of our local mp, Justin Tomlinson.  He has taken more than a passing interest in the whole development and persuaded the council to originally put in a clause to state that the stadium should be built before the rest of the site is developed three years ago.


Title: Re: The new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Saturday, April 13, 2019, 19:34:15
Quite fun reading back, especially the comments referred to about the Oldham pitch - it was a shocker today, like playing down an East End alleyway during the war.

Seems he is on target to exceed Reg's targets and expectations.

The fears over Waterford never materialised other than Twine going on loan.

His investments in January seem to have been wise ones, but will they turn out to be longer term stays come the summer?