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Title: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 08:50:11
Don't really know what to say here,  a manager underachieving,  a team that can't score and an owner who doesn't give a fuck.
We are in the shit, up the creek without a paddle.  I Don't think many people realise the severity of the situation we are in, just look at the league table,  we are sinking fast. I don't want to appear negative but after 50+ Years of following the town this has to be one of the worst situations we have been in, other than the mid eighties.
Hopefully we will have enough in the tank to see us above the line come the end of the season.
Do we blame the owner, the manager or the team ?.
Really can't see anyway out at present,  something needs to change and quick.
Finally,  who are the fucking idiots in the town end booing their own player ?, if you don't like it fuck off, Lancashire may not be the best,  and probably would rather not be playing 90 minutes, but we are where we are,  players are not going to perform when dickheads boo their every move.  His confidence must be sky high now.  Find the twats and kick them out of the town end, better still kick them out of Swindon altogether.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 09:02:57
Us being in L2 in the first place is Power's fault.

This season in isolation is Brown's fault.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 09:11:51
I went Saturday and felt there was no singing to support the squad. I know there isn't much to cheer at the moment but getting a Lincoln type mentality might help, what happened to loud and proud?
Answer to the question - it's not the fans.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 09:17:23
Us being in L2 in the first place is Power's fault.

This season in isolation is Brown's fault.

Close the thread.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 09:23:04
Firstly, we can’t keep on blaming the ‘Swindon 3’. That ship has sailed. The mistakes are there for all to see from almost every individual player - whether it’s a poor final ball, a poor, simple pass or a horrendous cock up at the back.

Yes, there are options to Lancashire but, tbf, he’s hardly been the worst offender lately. Conroy was dreadful last night.

Who is there to replace Taylor that’ll improve things? Ditto Richards.

Brown has bought a fancy Dan midfield lounge with creaking floorboards and no roof. The balance of the squad just isn’t there.

It’s his fault. Taxi.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 09:36:23
When did Power ask us to judge him?



Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 09:39:04
When did Power ask us to judge him?



Five years wasn't it? Isn't that this coming winter?

Even though the balance of the squad is off, I'm convinced a better manager gets this bunch of players up the league and towards the top 7, especially with some astute recruitment of a LB and a striker in Jan.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: DV Canio on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 09:41:59
Power hasn’t helped at all...but...unless you know someone with millions ready to buy the club and invest, he’s here.

Admirable that he’s got us living within our means but that should be a short term plan to even us out & find investment. Long term all that will do is lead to a slow painful death.

Brown doesn’t have a clue what he is doing. Probably has the players but doesn’t have a clue how to use them, what formation to play and what is best XI is. He’s a crap manager living off success with Hull from 10 years ago. He should be sacked after last night.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 09:44:54
Bigger picture it is all Powers fault, This season is Browns fault entirely. That squad is better than what he is getting from them,so much better


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 09:48:09
I blame Brown. His record at the end of last season and the start of this is very poor.

The players, on paper look good enough for a top 10 assault. You can't fault the effort, and I can't exactly put my finger on it, but something just doesn't appear right. We are sluggish at the back and pose little threat up front despite having a decent set of forwards for this level.

Yes under Power's leadership we have gone backwards on the pitch but financially we appear to be in a relatively good place. As others have said, unless a very wealthy person or consortium is willing to take us over, Power is not going anywhere.

Until the training ground is completed, and the redeveloped ground is complete bringing in new financial streams I can see us plodding along at this level. Yay!


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 09:49:59
Difficult to answer who is to blame without knowing the club's MO.

I'd say whoever was in charge of recruitment is the most to blame for getting such an unbalanced squad.

Brown is definitely culpable for continuing to rely on past it players. Now I'd have signed them on myself to be honest, but you need quality alongside them in case it doesn't work. And to be big enough to drop them when that becomes clear. And how the hell you can't see Anderson and Woolery won't score goals is criminal. And Lancashire as captain has made him hard to drop (though I don't think he's been that bad to be honest, yesterday aside).

Brown is also to blame for a confused system that isn't working. Bizarre systems and selection at times and odd subs.

And yes as fans in general we are waiting for the first mistake. We don't get behind them like we should really. I think that is only true in recent weeks, early on when we were creating but losing the fans did respond in a good way. A number of years of shit home performances and a loss in confidence in Brown has taken its toll. Should we be better, more supportive - yes. But frustrations boil over eventually and its building now. Always has done.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 09:50:48
For me, off the pitch, Power has ripped the soul, atmosphere and excitement away from the club. There is never going to be any optimism under him because as DV has said a number of times, it feels like we are just making up the numbers. I can’t see us progressing at any point as a club under him.

On pitch, Brown clearly hasn’t got a fucking clue what to do with the players we have. Constantly picking the same players that have been poor, or because he didn’t sign players to replace them because he signed 5/6 centre midfielders and used the budget up. His substitutions are desperate, there doesn’t seem to be any way of playing, and if we don’t get a win in the next 2/3 games the atmosphere is going to get very sour.
Last night was up there with Cheltenham away, the Gurney/Heywood finger saga for me, it was that bad.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 09:51:30
Trouble with plodding at this level is the serious risk of dropping out if the league. The good base level support will vanish and it will be hard to get that back. Who wants to support a club with no obvious ambition?


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 09:56:15
Trouble with plodding at this level is the serious risk of dropping out if the league. The good base level support will vanish and it will be hard to get that back. Who wants to support a club with no obvious ambition?

In effect Ambition = cash. Power doesn't have it. We need someone in who does. Can't see Power diluting his disillusion ROI.

Its desperate


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 09:57:25
For me, off the pitch, Power has ripped the soul, atmosphere and excitement away from the club. There is never going to be any optimism under him because as DV has said a number of times, it feels like we are just making up the numbers. I can’t see us progressing at any point as a club under him.


I honestly think this is superficial and all will be fine should things get better on the pitch. It's just that we've had a few years of dull, ineffective football now. Some of that is Power's fault, and some of it is not.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 10:03:24
I honestly think this is superficial and all will be fine should things get better on the pitch. It's just that we've had a few years of dull, ineffective football now. Some of that is Power's fault, and some of it is not.
But up until the start of last season, everything on the pitch was down to Power anyway. Signings, tactics and even substitutions if you believe some people.
The adver ban, the Sherwood saga, Wembley fiasco, leaving it so long to sack Williams all things that we is to blame for that haven’t helped the atmosphere around the club.
Granted, and fair play to him, he has taken a step back, but I feel we are now one of them clubs that regardless of who’s in charge the results will stay the same because there is an underlying issue.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Processed Beats on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 10:04:03
Power - sustainability off the pitch but gone backwards on it. This club does not belong in the bottom half of League fucking Two. 5 years of this chancer is more than enough. Sell up and give us our club back.

Brown - should never have got the job after his absymsal stint last season. Ignorant of the areas most in need of improvement, a dreadful start to the season and a tactical moron.

The fans - for accepting mediocrity all the fucking time. Wake up.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 10:05:00
Power - sustainability off the pitch but gone backwards on it. This club does not belong in the bottom half of League fucking Two. 5 years of this chancer is more than enough. Sell up and give us our club back.

Brown - should never have got the job after his absymsal stint last season. Ignorant of the areas most in need of improvement, a dreadful start to the season and a tactical moron.

The fans - for accepting mediocrity all the fucking time. Wake up.

What do you suggest we, as fans, should do? Yourself included.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: DV Canio on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 10:06:14
Power - sustainability off the pitch but gone backwards on it. This club does not belong in the bottom half of League fucking Two. 5 years of this chancer is more than enough. Sell up and give us our club back.

Brown - should never have got the job after his absymsal stint last season. Ignorant of the areas most in need of improvement, a dreadful start to the season and a tactical moron.

The fans - for accepting mediocrity all the fucking time. Wake up.

Who is Power going to sell up to?

Why do you think it’s that easy to get a new fucking owner. Wake up


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 10:12:04
he could however attract new investment. I mean it's possible, I assume Axis have chucked a bit in. maybe there's more of the ground gets purchased?


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 10:24:14
I am not a fan of Power, never have been, never will be.

But

He actually hasn't done that much wrong, all I can genuinely level at him was taking too long to get rid of Williams when things obviously weren't working out for him, if he had gone in January I think we could have stayed up, but we didn't hence why we are in this league now.

The only other point could be that he has stripped the budget down to a point we are not competitive but he has to balance the books with dwinding attendances and player sales not making up the shortfall.

Anyone who thinks that the shit on the pitch isn't hurting Power must be a grade A idiot.

He has but "X" million into the club and with every on pitch defeat the value of his investment goes down, hurting him in his pocket.

Who else will come in and buy a shit, underperforming club? are there any wealthy investors out there? no. Can the Trust afford to buy the club? no. Will Power sell if he makes a little extra on top of the deal (which is only to be expected) yes he has always said he wanted to steady the ship and then set sail, so where are the hoardes of major investors? the monied buyers? nowhere, just as there were no options when Power took over originally...which is the major reason we have him as owner now.

Offer a genuinely viable alternative rather than just saying Power "fuck off".


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 10:30:53
What do you suggest we, as fans, should do? Yourself included.

Create an atmosphere that will lift the team, they will respond by giving 110%, we'll batter every team we face. Promotion.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 10:34:30
I am not a fan of Power, never have been, never will be.

But

He actually hasn't done that much wrong, all I can genuinely level at him was taking too long to get rid of Williams when things obviously weren't working out for him, if he had gone in January I think we could have stayed up, but we didn't hence why we are in this league now.

The only other point could be that he has stripped the budget down to a point we are not competitive but he has to balance the books with dwinding attendances and player sales not making up the shortfall.

Anyone who thinks that the shit on the pitch isn't hurting Power must be a grade A idiot.

He has but "X" million into the club and with every on pitch defeat the value of his investment goes down, hurting him in his pocket.

Who else will come in and buy a shit, underperforming club? are there any wealthy investors out there? no. Can the Trust afford to buy the club? no. Will Power sell if he makes a little extra on top of the deal (which is only to be expected) yes he has always said he wanted to steady the ship and then set sail, so where are the hoardes of major investors? the monied buyers? nowhere, just as there were no options when Power took over originally...which is the major reason we have him as owner now.

Offer a genuinely viable alternative rather than just saying Power "fuck off".

This has been the best post on the TEF for a very long time. It is a very good reality statement, which some of our fans actually lack.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: RedRag on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 10:36:34
In all my years as a Town fan, I've not felt this low after yet another clueless performance since...….err..... Flitcroft ……. and before that...………... who could forget the Williams / Gilet Man combo?  I really try not to even groan and never boo during a game but the suggestion that our loyal fans might somehow be the problem is ridiculous.

The Manager situation is a bit like Theresa May being the shittest PM ever...and with no palatable alternative.  For James Dunne to be our best player (and credit to him) surrounded by more talented players who patently lacked the confidence or knowledge to implement a plan has to be the manager's responsibility.  But is there really anyone better available?  Another roll of the dice is as good as it gets, imo.

STFC was surely in no worse a financial position than many L.1 clubs when Power took over.  Fair play, he did what was necessary but frittered away our League 1 status on the back of the failed "loan" policy with submissive managers.  If we do indeed start a third year in the Football League's national bottom tier, STFC will be one season away from equalling its LOWEST EVER bottom league status.  Power is responsible.  No one else.

Mustn't grumble.  Last time that happened, we ended up in the Premiership.  


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 10:43:00
This has been the best post on the TEF for a very long time. It is a very good reality statement, which some of our fans actually lack.

Personally I think Power's done a fair bit more than the above, in terms of meddling with the squad, formation, bringing in Tactics Tim etc. That said, I agree with the general point of PV's post. Every loss potentially hits Power's pocket and there aren't many out there who'd be able, let along willing, to take over.

I don't want to press the panic button but am wondering if a change of manager and a couple of new players in January might be the only way to salvage any hopes of the POs. A bottom-half finish in this division is a pretty sickening thought.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 10:48:26
I am not a fan of Power, never have been, never will be.

But

He actually hasn't done that much wrong, all I can genuinely level at him was taking too long to get rid of Williams when things obviously weren't working out for him, if he had gone in January I think we could have stayed up, but we didn't hence why we are in this league now.

The only other point could be that he has stripped the budget down to a point we are not competitive but he has to balance the books with dwinding attendances and player sales not making up the shortfall.

Anyone who thinks that the shit on the pitch isn't hurting Power must be a grade A idiot.

He has but "X" million into the club and with every on pitch defeat the value of his investment goes down, hurting him in his pocket.

Who else will come in and buy a shit, underperforming club? are there any wealthy investors out there? no. Can the Trust afford to buy the club? no. Will Power sell if he makes a little extra on top of the deal (which is only to be expected) yes he has always said he wanted to steady the ship and then set sail, so where are the hoardes of major investors? the monied buyers? nowhere, just as there were no options when Power took over originally...which is the major reason we have him as owner now.

Offer a genuinely viable alternative rather than just saying Power "fuck off".

Bravo PV.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 10:55:24
What we don’t know for certain is if anybody has approached Power with a view to either investing or buying him out. Just because nothing gets into the public domain doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened.

Power may be hanging on to get the very most he can from the club and any lessening of the club’s value may well be les than what he will make by hanging on to it.

I think we can safely say that if he wasn’t still making money from the club he’d get shot of it.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 10:59:55
I think we can safely say that if he wasn’t still making money from the club he’d get shot of it.

Well, he may see potential future profit as a reason to stick around.



Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 11:02:58
I am not a fan of Power, never have been, never will be.

But

He actually hasn't done that much wrong, all I can genuinely level at him was taking too long to get rid of Williams when things obviously weren't working out for him, if he had gone in January I think we could have stayed up, but we didn't hence why we are in this league now.

The only other point could be that he has stripped the budget down to a point we are not competitive but he has to balance the books with dwinding attendances and player sales not making up the shortfall.

Anyone who thinks that the shit on the pitch isn't hurting Power must be a grade A idiot.

He has but "X" million into the club and with every on pitch defeat the value of his investment goes down, hurting him in his pocket.

Who else will come in and buy a shit, underperforming club? are there any wealthy investors out there? no. Can the Trust afford to buy the club? no. Will Power sell if he makes a little extra on top of the deal (which is only to be expected) yes he has always said he wanted to steady the ship and then set sail, so where are the hoardes of major investors? the monied buyers? nowhere, just as there were no options when Power took over originally...which is the major reason we have him as owner now.

Offer a genuinely viable alternative rather than just saying Power "fuck off".

PV going to get a big head but i agree with most of this. Power's problem has always been how he communicates with the fans and who he appoints as manager.

Realistically the club is a top half league one club. We will sometimes be above that and sometimes below as we are now. Its been a long time since we have been above it so this current league two spell hurts the more because of it.

Not sure Power has made a single good managerial appointment. Cooper was left over from MacDonald, did a good job but had one of the best teams ever for league one and still couldn't get us over the line. Williams was a coach not a manager. Flitcroft was a complete 180 that failed to work and fit in at the club, Brown is Flitcroft adjacent but is tired and failed and doesn't have the new ideas to change anything. At some point we need a good managerial appointment who can get more than the some of the parts from a team, the last one probably being Sturrock?

I have to say i do question the fan base, it would seem we have one of the worst in football IMO. No atmosphere, people give up for whatever reason they tell themselves, they treat it as any other business when football is different. At some point people need to realise that if attendances went up by 2k our budget would go up and we would have a chance at having a better team. But people come up with crap about Power taking the money or whatever nonsense they want to believe.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 11:07:38

I think we can safely say that if he wasn’t still making money from the club he’d get shot of it.

This is complete bollocks of which there is no evidence. There is no way anyone is making money from the club at the moment.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 11:08:52
And there is no chance of persuading the stay aways to come back. Their mind is made up.

Mind you the issue has always been around for as long as I remember. Good winning football and success, or stupidly cheap season tickets are the only things that have made a difference. And I don't think the latter would work now even if we could do it


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 11:19:31
And there is no chance of persuading the stay aways to come back. Their mind is made up.

Mind you the issue has always been around for as long as I remember. Good winning football and success, or stupidly cheap season tickets are the only things that have made a difference. And I don't think the latter would work now even if we could do it

We have a core fan base of 4.5k people maybe at the moment. The only way to grow that is a prolonged period of relative success. Short term success adds short term fans only. If you halved season ticket prices i doubt we would sell double.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 11:23:27
that's my point!


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 11:32:26
What are fans actually paying for?
To cheer, sing and support? Don't see much of that.
To be entertained? Don't see much of that.
To catch up with friends? Possibly, but would be cheaper to meet up for a coffee.
To get out of the house? Lots of options there.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 11:35:49
I am not a fan of Power, never have been, never will be.

But

He actually hasn't done that much wrong, all I can genuinely level at him was taking too long to get rid of Williams when things obviously weren't working out for him, if he had gone in January I think we could have stayed up, but we didn't hence why we are in this league now.

The only other point could be that he has stripped the budget down to a point we are not competitive but he has to balance the books with dwinding attendances and player sales not making up the shortfall.

Anyone who thinks that the shit on the pitch isn't hurting Power must be a grade A idiot.

He has but "X" million into the club and with every on pitch defeat the value of his investment goes down, hurting him in his pocket.

Who else will come in and buy a shit, underperforming club? are there any wealthy investors out there? no. Can the Trust afford to buy the club? no. Will Power sell if he makes a little extra on top of the deal (which is only to be expected) yes he has always said he wanted to steady the ship and then set sail, so where are the hoardes of major investors? the monied buyers? nowhere, just as there were no options when Power took over originally...which is the major reason we have him as owner now.

Offer a genuinely viable alternative rather than just saying Power "fuck off".

Absolutely spot on!  Those that continuosly spout that Power needs to go are just wasting everyones's time.  Doesn't mean it's not true, but constantly repeating it is like me constantly posting that I need to win the lottery - totally true, but until the right numbers come up it ain't gonna happen.  Might be a shit analogy but it's the best I could come up with at the moment.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 11:45:36
Absolutely spot on!  Those that continuosly spout that Power needs to go are just wasting everyones's time.  Doesn't mean it's not true, but constantly repeating it is like me constantly posting that I need to win the lottery - totally true, but until the right numbers come up it ain't gonna happen.  Might be a shit analogy but it's the best I could come up with at the moment.
Disagree to a certain extent. Sometimes people need to know the club is available for sale before anyone takes it over


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 11:47:13
Absolutely spot on!  Those that continuosly spout that Power needs to go are just wasting everyones's time.  Doesn't mean it's not true, but constantly repeating it is like me constantly posting that I need to win the lottery - totally true, but until the right numbers come up it ain't gonna happen.  Might be a shit analogy but it's the best I could come up with at the moment.

...so you're *not* a fan of the Facebook groups then :)

Example:

Adebayo has to play down the middle

#PowerOut


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Happy Birthday, mate!

#PowerOut


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The sky is blue.

#PowerOut


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 11:47:37
Not liking Power is one thing, he doesn't do himself any favours at times. SOMEBODY has to be in that position, though. If Power did go then there would have to be a replacement. An alternative is a must.

That alternative could be worse. Much, much worse.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Kinky Tom on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 11:51:35
...so you're *not* a fan of the Facebook groups then :)

Example:

Adebayo has to play down the middle

#PowerOut


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Happy Birthday, mate!

#PowerOut


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The sky is blue.

#PowerOut


Don't forget the now popular and really fucking shit:

#pexit


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 11:52:33
Don't forget the now popular and really fucking shit:

#pexit

I don't go on there that much. I missed #Pexit.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 11:53:30
Don't forget the now popular and really fucking shit:

#pexit

Oh no, really?


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 11:56:26
He’s a crap manager living off success with Hull from 10 years ago. He should be sacked after last night.

You're saying it again and that simply isn't true DV. He had lots of relative success with Southend. Got them out of L2, made them a L1 club and got them within a gnats cock of potentially being a Championship side. You can't keep saying he's living off his Hull success because more recent history tells us he's achieved elsewhere. Likely, with that relative success, was the reason behind Power giving him the job.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 11:57:50
Not sure Power has made a single good managerial appointment.

Ling? Shame how it turned out but made an instant impact.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Kinky Tom on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 11:59:37
 Yeah, I make the mistake of dipping in for 5 minutes occasionally.  >:(


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: RedRag on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 11:59:58
If Power isn't looking for any alternatives, we are indeed in dreamland if we think Aladdin will come along and rub his magic lantern...………..because Power is in sole control of the club.  

There is no separation as between Shareholders, Chief Exec/MD and the club itself is only part of Power's financial structure.  As has been pointed out he has absurdly acted even as Operations Manager in the past.

Simply saying Power feels defeats because they harm his investment isn't the end of it as far as I am concerned.  Unlike Power, we are STFC fans and feel the defeats for what they are.

Great credit to Power that I no longer start a season feeling that the no. 1 objective is to avoid falling into liquidation and out of the FL.  There are other ways of hitting the Conference however.  

I couldn't bear Reg being proved right about that ( ;)) but STFC HAS slipped.  It's no player or manager's fault and it's certainly not the fans' fault.  The multi-roled Power is accountable to NO ONE at the club.

I doubt he gives a shit for the club itself but we fans are absolutely entitled to hold him to account.  It's not much but that is why I believe supporting the Trust is vitally important to the Club's ultimate best interests.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: diggers on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 12:05:35
The buck stops with Power - he is the chairman / owner / dictator after all. However, I agree with others, unless someone knows a secret multi millionaire fan, we are stuck with him and we could end up with worse. Who's decision was it to sell Norris and Mullen and bring in a young loanee and rely on another good year out of Richards, Woolery to get fit and Twine to come of age? Possibly Power, possibly Brown - either way, it appears to be right royal fcuk up at present as we don't look like scoring against 10 men, let alone 11. It's not the fans fault we are where we are, booing our own players won't help, but in order to get some atmosphere going, something has to happen on the pitch to get us going. Interestingly, all of our supporters groups seem to be pretty quiet with no new initiatives being planned to up the atmosphere - it's been terrible for some time, there seems to be more chatting than chanting - it's like day 2 of a test match at Lords (but with a lot less people!). But all focus is on the ground - which is great, but we won't have anyone left at the ground by the time it's sorted. At present, the product on the pitch, is like watching an average Sunday league game and something needs to happen quick to turn it around.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 12:22:46
From a Sarfend fan

‘How are you playing though, is it hideous hoofball into corners? Brown was not a bad manager for Southend but whenever a sticky patch came about he would revert to horrible, ugly hoofball. This was ok if we scraped a 1-0 with a Barry Corr header but more often than not it just made the problems worse.’

Sounds familiar


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 12:25:18
Maybe today’s US winner of their lottery would fancy sprinkling a little of their $1.6 billion on little’ol STFC.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 12:26:40
Yeah, I make the mistake of dipping in for 5 minutes occasionally.  >:(
Don't do it mate it will just make you angry!


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 12:29:40
Who's decision was it to sell Norris and Mullen and bring in a young loanee and rely on another good year out of Richards,
Mullins wife wanted to move back 'oop North and Norris has wanted out since the well publicized (on here) disagreement with Anderson.

Not replacing them is a major problem though, attacking options this season have cost us.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 12:35:56
Brown was looking for strikers, he just failed to get one. Whose fault that is I don't know.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 12:47:36
 
Not replacing them is a major problem though, attacking options this season have cost us.

This is true JJ but I genuinely think PB thought he could squeeze another season out of Richards and use one of the younger lads to build their confidence. Going on his previous form I think many of us would've made that decision. I'm sure given hindsight he knows it's not working but it's a case of who do you put in because most of us seem to think that any combo of Keshi/Crazy, Crazy/Woolery, Woolery/Keshi just won't bring any end product. Call me mad, but would it not hurt to try Alzate up front closer to Richards, could be a revelation?

1/3rd of the way through the season we shouldn't really be having this discussion. PBs plan for Richards has clearly backfired and I guess that's why he is tinkering. Surprised at Woolfie not getting game time recently as I would prefer him over Lancs (unless playing a RCB,CB, LCB three of Woolf, Lancs, Sid). I know I've said it but I'm certain PB is desperate for the Transfer Window. Between now and then he needs to have some kind of epiphany, admit he's cocked up and turn it around. :headhurts:

In the real world. Happy Anniversary for the other day. Sorry I couldn't match your exquisite commentary updates. I waned after 20mins ;)


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 12:54:59
In the real world. Happy Anniversary for the other day. Sorry I couldn't match your exquisite commentary updates. I waned after 20mins ;)
Thanks mate :) on matchdays all I ever do is write what I see, of course not everyone agrees but some agree less than others :D


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 12:55:33
Brown was looking for strikers, he just failed to get one. Whose fault that is I don't know.

Well he passed up the opportunity to sign MA-F but who knows how that may have panned out. Could've been genius, could've been a waste of wages. I'll hinge of the latter but yes he failed to bring in another or ran out of time. Maybe some of those targets are still lined up for January? As long as it isn't Elliot Benyon.

Billy Clarke is coming back from injury though for Charlton and would be 4th choice behind the Aussie guy, someone else and Ajose. Surely some game time for him would be valuable? He's 30ish so a stint in L2 (loan) could be a good confidence boost. I'd take him.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 12:56:21
Quote from: Peter Venkman
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In the real world. Happy Anniversary for the other day. Sorry I couldn't match your exquisite commentary updates. I waned after 20mins ;)
Thanks mate :) on matchdays all I ever do is write what I see, of course not everyone agrees but some agree less than others :D
no we don't


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 12:58:48
Thanks mate :) on matchdays all I ever do is write what I see, of course not everyone agrees but some agree less than others :D

I could quote Brian Clough but I don't need to :)

Tbh though I think the resident StefTrol was actually having a dig at me for suggesting an idea of doing an 'otional' live audio feed of alternative commentary. You know, just for a bit of fun but of course, we can't have fun any more :)


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 13:29:22
Brown was looking for strikers, he just failed to get one. Whose fault that is I don't know.
He was looking at CBS too, until the final minutes of the window.

As soon as a midfielder comes into view he’s like a kid in a sweet shop, though. Can’t resist another one.

He’s turd. Get rid.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 13:47:50
Power for the underpinning situation we are in - he had a concept, knowing he had some leverage to get talent in, once that dried-up he didn't switch and that cost us the slide down here.  Since then he's done the right thing - he's put Managers in charge with okish records, he's given them (by all accounts) a budget to compete for play offs at least and he's got active in looking at the ground (well done Trust for pushing the agenda on that I think).

So, to now.

Flitcroft and Brown in equal measures.

First one squandered what he had, created no sense of style the fans could by into with that budget and played lottery style football while pretending he was a football genius.

Brown has taken that, shaken it up and ended up in the same location through an inability to find a squad and playing style and formation that works together.  Audrey is right on one thing - kid in a sweet shop with Doughty and Dave when he had other players in that position, probably exhausting his budget.  Batch is also right in my opinion, relied on old heads in the wrong positions, didn't support them if the gamble failed with others to fill the slots.  Right now it looks like he has made a pigs ear of what he was given, which was a pretty free reign to bring in a squad of players having the benefit of 10 competitive games to assess the old squad with what appeared to be no pressure for results.  Managers would kill for that, even with us.  Imagine being told you can have enough money to compete (not walk it, but in the hunt with others) and several months to try it out before you decide as well.

Never liked the guy, worried he'd be like this, moment of hope at the start of the season when it looked like he'd found something, but he's lost it quickly and can't remember what it was.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: RedRag on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 13:55:51

 Call me mad, but would it not hurt to try Alzate up front closer to Richards, could be a revelation?



Strange idea, Mad.  Alzate probably lacks a striker's gene.  I think the whole team needs to put its shooting boots on in training.

He does have a little of the impudence of a player before your time, namely Alan Mayes.  As a defender, I'd certainly be wary of lunging in with a tackle on him in or near the box.  He could win pens and free kicks.  If he were told to concentrate on shooting or finding Richards (or Elijah), it might helpfully close down his options.

What we do seem to be lacking is players attacking aerial balls (Nelson apart)





Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 14:16:51
Flitcroft and Brown in equal measures.

You really won't let this go despite all the evidence.

It would have been oh so easy for us to have been in the current situation last season.  We never went more than 3 games under Flitcroft without a win it's those wins which keep you in or around the PO slots and certainly mostly well clear of any drop fears.    If you have to play a bit ugly to achieve that so be it.

Think it ws Audrey who posted about Brown's football turning ugly at a time of crisis to get that clutch result.... that's encouraging, as it needs to start form Saturday, we can't afford to lose at Meadow Lane.

PS it's all Power's fault, it's his club therefore the buck stops with him.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 14:55:19
You really won't let this go despite all the evidence.

It would have been oh so easy for us to have been in the current situation last season.  We never went more than 3 games under Flitcroft without a win it's those wins which keep you in or around the PO slots and certainly mostly well clear of any drop fears.    If you have to play a bit ugly to achieve that so be it.

Think it ws Audrey who posted about Brown's football turning ugly at a time of crisis to get that clutch result.... that's encouraging, as it needs to start form Saturday, we can't afford to lose at Meadow Lane.

PS it's all Power's fault, it's his club therefore the buck stops with him.


I am allowed to not let it go.  I am suggesting he squandered an opportunity - he left us, did he not? The general consensus, whether you like it or not, was that the football on display was turgid, regardless of results.  I called it quickly that we should be in the play offs last season with the first couple of performances, precisely because of the ugly nature.  Doesn't mean it was fun.  That added to the finish to the season it left us with, meant we missed a chance to go up, did we not?  And we never got the fan base back onside - no growth in attendances as a campaign begins to head towards a potential promotion scenarios, correct?  So, he was central to us falling flat as a club (on top of Power's previous two years).  Brown has added to that.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 14:56:52
Oddly, I don't blame the players for the past two seasons.  Both Managers have had players who are putting in effort.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 14:59:11
The longer we stay in this league, the more difficult it's going to be to get out if it (in an upward direction).

Our best chance of a quick escape was probably last season.

In the 80's it took the intervention of Lowndes Lambert to kick start some change, just as the dwindling band of supporters were looking forward to another season with Ken Beamish in charge.
Can't see any similar third party intervention happening anytime soon, so ultimately it's down to Power to provide the funds and more importantly to find someone who can manage the (shoestring?) budget to best effect.

Andrew Black is to blame.
The timing of bailing out and the timescale imposed was clueless and created the conditions for opportunists to step in.





Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 15:02:49
I blame Black as a fan, I don't blame him if I was him.  He was sold a pup, had no ties to us once he realised that, so had no real conscience when it came to getting out.  At that point his only interest was saving his money, he achieved his goal.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 15:15:56
Oddly, I don't blame the players for the past two seasons.  Both Managers have had players who are putting in effort.

Still don't think you can pin the blame for this season on Flitcroft... for sure in any review of last season, he could be metioned.  Similarly I said when Brown took over, he shouldn't be particularly judged on his 10 or 11 games becasue of the obvious injury misfortune with defenders, but rather take stock, sort the backroom and build a squad all in good time for the opener, which is largely what happened.  Now is the time to judge him, and clearly he must do better.

Hopefully this can happen, as the alternatives are not attractive.



Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: diggers on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 15:20:45
If we want to go back that far, Wray should shoulder some blame. Was it not he who let Di Canio spunk all the cash up the wall as he was in awe of his hero and just couldn't say no to his demand for new players? As for the last couple of seasons, I thought the football was much easier to watch under Brown so far this season than Flitcroft's spell last season...up until the last 2 games which have been just as awful to watch. We should really have been looking at 6 points from the 2 home games and we've come away with 1.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: diggers on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 15:25:14
Actually on reflection....it's all Glenn Hoddle's fault. Splitter.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 15:27:36
If we want to go back that far, Wray should shoulder some blame. Was it not he who let Di Canio spunk all the cash up the wall as he was in awe of his hero and just couldn't say no to his demand for new players?

True.

And while Andrew Black was chucking his money in, he wanted to get out so quickly IMO he abandoned his duty of care to pass the club on to somebody viable. So add him to the list.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 15:33:58
Still don't think you can pin the blame for this season on Flitcroft... for sure in any review of last season, he could be metioned.  Similarly I said when Brown took over, he shouldn't be particularly judged on his 10 or 11 games becasue of the obvious injury misfortune with defenders, but rather take stock, sort the backroom and build a squad all in good time for the opener, which is largely what happened.  Now is the time to judge him, and clearly he must do better.

Hopefully this can happen, as the alternatives are not attractive.



No, Flitcroft is not to blame for this season, just the mess last year ended-up, which brought us to our current situation.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Sir red ken on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 15:34:37
If we want to go back that far, Wray should shoulder some blame. Was it not he who let Di Canio spunk all the cash up the wall as he was in awe of his hero and just couldn't say no to his demand for new players? As for the last couple of seasons, I thought the football was much easier to watch under Brown so far this season than Flitcroft's spell last season...up until the last 2 games which have been just as awful to watch. We should really have been looking at 6 points from the 2 home games and we've come away with 1.
You seem to be forgetting one thing with regards to the PDC era. Yes he did spend but we had a much better team/squad and would have made the championship if he hadn't been forced out. The last couple of season the football wasn't easier to watch" Its been bloody painful" under brown and Flitcroft,but then each to his own.
Look at our form and its not just 2 home games we are currently relegation fodder.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: diggers on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 15:41:36
You seem to be forgetting one thing with regards to the PDC era. Yes he did spend but we had a much better team/squad and would have made the championship if he hadn't been forced out. The last couple of season the football wasn't easier to watch" Its been bloody painful" under brown and Flitcroft,but then each to his own.
Look at our form and its not just 2 home games we are currently relegation fodder.

Trust me, I haven't forgotten anything - we had a much better team / squad as we had more than twice the budget we have now. And you've misread what I said - I said that this year under Brown was easier to watch than last season under Flitcroft, but that the last 2 games in particular we have been awful and as bad as anything I saw when Flitcroft was manager. Not that the last 2 years were easier to watch than the Di Canio era. The Di Canio era was entertaining, brilliant at times, but unsustainable unfortunately and the rest is history. If Black had held his nerve until the end of that season, we would have been a championship team, we would have been easier to sell and we would have got big money for Ritchie if a new owner had wanted to cash in. However, the money we were spending was not what Black had signed up for and he wanted out as soon as possible. Nothing we can do about it now though - so lets move on otherwise it just gets even more depressing than it already is.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 15:42:27
I blame Reverend William Pitt. If it wasn't for him we wouldn't be in this mess right now.

William Pitt? William Shitt more like.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 15:48:26
I blame the lack of concerts which were promised by Jed and that Rick Wakeman look-a-like fella. Rice?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jHHvAXdow

Bullshit alert!


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: diggers on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 15:48:57
I blame Reverend William Pitt. If it wasn't for him we wouldn't be in this mess right now.

William Pitt? William Shitt more like.

Yeah him as well.

I also blame my parents for taking me to watch Swindon when I was young and knew no better. Why didn't they just sit me in front of the tv so I could become some plastic supporter who has no connection to the club they support other than watching them win the FA Cup final in 1983.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 15:50:05
A lot of things have been done wrong, but I feel that every team that comes to the CG are stronger, fitter,faster and better organised than us.  It cannot be coincidence that we hardly ever win a second ball, that every team knows our style of play and continued weaknesses.  In that respect it must be the whole coaching team that shoulders a lot of the blame.  As for Power out, well Jed and his bunch of chancers were not exactly a bed of roses were they?  I was surprised to see Richards start last night but what is the alternative?  Brown must be getting closer to the dreaded vote of confidence and the ultimate sack.  Fall on your sword Philip . . . please!


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: diggers on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 15:51:51
I blame the lack of concerts which were promised by Jed and that Rick Wakeman look-a-like fella. Rice?

I quite enjoyed watching Bewitched in the pouring rain. However, I don't think it was a coincidence that the generator blew during Atomic Kitten's set!


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 15:53:55
I blame Reverend William Pitt. If it wasn't for him we wouldn't be in this mess right now.

William Pitt? William Shitt more like.

I blame Pitt the Younger.... typical Tory.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 15:57:59
I did chuckle at the commentator last night on iFollow ‘The tortoise Conroy’


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 16:11:40
Conroy was awful last night, but he reminded me of Dave earlier in the season, like he was very rusty.

Lancashire I now feel sorry for.  He doesn't look like ever winning a header unless he gives a foul away, it has to be something to do with his injury, because nobody can misread the flight every time.  he is also really easy to turn once he gets tight, suggesting he has troubles shifting position easily.  He gets caught doing one or the other, getting too tight and being turned or standing off and giving too much room, which is compounded by the fact Taylor also backs off as a natural defensive position, probably aware he won't cover any pacey runs.  For me, Woolfenden had to be one of the two centre backs if you can't play Nelson.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 16:31:56
I did chuckle at the commentator last night on iFollow ‘The tortoise Conroy’

That was amusing! Do you know who the co-commentator was? He is a northern guy who used to play football (not sure if for Swindon or not).


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 16:47:55
The commentator was Andrew Hawes from Wiltshire Radio. His co was Dave Hockaday who, correctly, banged on about how slow our back 4 were.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 17:02:34
The commentator was Andrew Hawes from Wiltshire Radio. His co was Dave Hockaday who, correctly, banged on about how slow our back 4 were.

Thanks Audrey!


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 17:39:42
I blame Adam Virgo


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Sir red ken on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 17:54:53
I blame Adam Virgo
I blame Karl Marx he fucked up humanity, ergo STFC along with everything else.
Failing that I'll go for a young greek woman i loved in my twenties.We were perfect but her Dad thought I was a pervert and wouldn't let us marry. He was right but what did that have to do with anything.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 18:09:14
I blame Adam Virgo

He does have a lot to answer for.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 18:15:26
I blame Pitt the Younger.... typical Tory.

Gives you a nice warm cosy feel knowing the conservatives are not pissing everyone else’s money to the wind doesn’t it. BTW,  nice write up in last nights programme Reg.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: tans on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 18:19:35
Power or Diamandis?

Who is worse, hypothetical question


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 18:24:39
Power or Diamandis?

Who is worse, hypothetical question

Diamandis. No contest.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: tans on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 18:26:00
My thoughts exactly


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Boeta on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 18:27:16
Brown should go
But Power won’t want to pay up his 2 year deal and get somebody else in
Brown won’t walk away from a 2 year deal
So presume only financially tenable option is Matt Taylor taking over

Not ideal you might say.

Still find it hard to believe we have no good wide players (defence or midfield) in a league where using width and crosses is critical


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: RedRag on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 18:29:04
I blame Reverend William Pitt. If it wasn't for him we wouldn't be in this mess right now.

William Pitt? William Shitt more like.
Pitt Out!


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 18:38:15
I blame the lack of concerts which were promised by Jed and that Rick Wakeman look-a-like fella. Rice?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q2jHHvAXdow

Bullshit alert!

What a dodgy cunt. Did he have darker extensions in his hair at the back?


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 18:41:20
I blame Adam Virgo

I blame John Virgo...the sneaky, trick shot accumulating cunt!


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Sir red ken on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 18:51:01
Brown should go
But Power won’t want to pay up his 2 year deal and get somebody else in
Brown won’t walk away from a 2 year deal
So presume only financially tenable option is Matt Taylor taking over

Not ideal you might say.


Still find it hard to believe we have no good wide players (defence or midfield) in a league where using width and crosses is critical

Please God no, MT isn't the answer nor is anyone else currently in the club.
We need a player manager to boost our thread bare squad.
A player manager who can still play and chip in with the thing we're missing the most the odd goal.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 19:20:57
We don't have a threadbare squad.

It's imbalanced, and a little flawed, but it is not threadbare.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 19:25:15
Please God no, MT isn't the answer nor is anyone else currently in the club.
We need a player manager to boost our thread bare squad.
A player manager who can still play and chip in with the thing we're missing the most the odd goal.

Jesus man. A player manager? It's not 1992.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Sir red ken on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 19:31:05
Jesus man. A player manager? It's not 1992.
ravel morrison will do. I'm getting desperate now we're looking like loosing our league status.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: The Million Pound Man on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 19:35:54
i blame the Charlie Austin bobble.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 19:51:47
 I'm surprised nobody has considered the negative impact of red shorts.... all a bit McMahon era, when we also had regular spells of goalless games... I suppose it's a sign of the times that fans campaigned against black shorts in the 70's when we turned to shit, and got the correct white reinstated.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 20:23:16
I blame Steve Mildenhall.  Nobody has had any balls at this club since the TV game against Portsmouth when we went top.  It's been rubbish ever since, bar some odd seasons where we ended-up in the wrong league and it showed.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 20:25:53
I'm surprised nobody has considered the negative impact of red shorts.... all a bit McMahon era, when we also had regular spells of goalless games... I suppose it's a sign of the times that fans campaigned against black shorts in the 70's when we turned to shit, and got the correct white reinstated.

We went with red shorts under Hoddle?


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 20:26:59
and switched back to white, didn't it get us relegated?


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 20:28:08
Actually, a Bolton fan pinched my lucky scarf after the cup semi final home leg, it's his fault.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 20:29:01
I blame Russell Brand.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 20:39:10
Hull have lost in injury time to the Shitheads

They must need Brown.

Please

Pretty please.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 20:59:14
and switched back to white, didn't it get us relegated?

No the black got us relegated 73/74.  I associate the red with McMahon 96/97, watching 5 straight without a goal and 1 in 8, and wondering if we'd ever have a shot again, let alone score... we're not quite there yet, but that was in Div 2 and this is Div 4.  Late McMahon seemed to overide the positive of the Hoddle era.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 21:37:52
I blame The Mighty Boosh.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Sir red ken on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 21:49:07
We can't blame past managers players or owners, neither do we have the pleasure of blaming the political class. Yes the FA shat on us but we never ended up in div 2 after so its not their fault. Having ruled out all other options it means its the fans fault. I'm OK with taking my share of the blame but that makes us fans a bunch of wankers. LP & PB get off scott free,
no blame can be attached to our current management. That feels better having got to the truth.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: flammableBen on Wednesday, October 24, 2018, 23:45:10
I am not a fan of Power, never have been, never will be.

But

He actually hasn't done that much wrong, all I can genuinely level at him was taking too long to get rid of Williams when things obviously weren't working out for him, if he had gone in January I think we could have stayed up, but we didn't hence why we are in this league now.

The only other point could be that he has stripped the budget down to a point we are not competitive but he has to balance the books with dwinding attendances and player sales not making up the shortfall.

Anyone who thinks that the shit on the pitch isn't hurting Power must be a grade A idiot.

He has but "X" million into the club and with every on pitch defeat the value of his investment goes down, hurting him in his pocket.

Who else will come in and buy a shit, underperforming club? are there any wealthy investors out there? no. Can the Trust afford to buy the club? no. Will Power sell if he makes a little extra on top of the deal (which is only to be expected) yes he has always said he wanted to steady the ship and then set sail, so where are the hoardes of major investors? the monied buyers? nowhere, just as there were no options when Power took over originally...which is the major reason we have him as owner now.

Offer a genuinely viable alternative rather than just saying Power "fuck off".

Fuck this hand wringing understanding shit. If you still care (to be honest I'm not sure I do) then at least go down fighting, not watching your team mediocre themselves into non-league whilst you sigh with a "there's nothing else which can be done".

There might not be an alternative to the current manager and board. And If any of you are millionnaires with an alternative then give me a few quid instead. But at least pretend you care and kick up a fuss. This justifying the shit is the most depressing thing I've seen. Kick up a fucking fuss anyway.

Sorry Not sure I quoted the right post.


Title: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: Batch on Thursday, October 25, 2018, 06:12:32
flammable, do you fancy dusting off your interview skills and storm the directors area ;)


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, October 25, 2018, 08:24:32
It's not even possible to rip the season ticket up in a public display of disgust these days.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, October 25, 2018, 08:46:22
Fuck this hand wringing understanding shit. If you still care (to be honest I'm not sure I do) then at least go down fighting, not watching your team mediocre themselves into non-league whilst you sigh with a "there's nothing else which can be done".

There might not be an alternative to the current manager and board. And If any of you are millionnaires with an alternative then give me a few quid instead. But at least pretend you care and kick up a fuss. This justifying the shit is the most depressing thing I've seen. Kick up a fucking fuss anyway.

Sorry Not sure I quoted the right post.

Problem is fB, I don't think enough people really care any more.  This is a consequence of moderrn football and how particularly at STFC the bonds that linked fans to club have been destroyed down the years... it also mirrors society.

When I pointed out last season how many of the teams between us and the Conference were teams who had recently been in non league.... Ferret pointed out not surprising as the Conference is effectively Div 5.

In our collective fan head,    getting there would be a disaster, in Power's head, just would mean trimming the budget a bit more.  

Whilst there might be some who'd knock it on the head many more would still wander along to what is now a niche activity.  The proper hardcore away traveller types would probably enjoy it all those new grounds.... WB could add to his Wetherspoon's tick list, to such an extent that he could probably bring out a guide book to the Wetherspoon's of Britain (assuming there isn't already such an august tome)

Further there's now the Irn Bru Cup, (Scottish Challenge Cup)   Boreham Wood and Sutton both got in that for finishing 3rd and 4th in the Conference last year, and so play v Sweatie teams below the SPL but also Crusaders  and Coleraine of soon to be what used to be Norn Iron, Bohemians and Bray from RoI and New Saints and Connah's Quay Nomads from Cymru.  OK you might want to give Connah's Quay a swerve, sort of place when I was there 40 years ago, you entered at your peril.

But you could get as I think BW did Dunfermline.... surely you'd be all over that... chance to do the Calvin Harris trail, which if it doesn't exist should exist.  

The icing on the cake could be a trip to Waterford... got to be better than Chelsea U 21 in the Boycott.
 


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, October 25, 2018, 09:02:11
Problem is fB, I don't think enough people really care any more.  This is a consequence of moderrn football and how particularly at STFC the bonds that linked fans to club have been destroyed down the years... it also mirrors society.

When I pointed out last season how many of the teams between us and the Conference were teams who had recently been in non league.... Ferret pointed out not surprising as the Conference is effectively Div 5.

In our collective fan head,    getting there would be a disaster, in Power's head, just would mean trimming the budget a bit more. 

Whilst there might be some who'd knock it on the head many more would still wander along to what is now a niche activity.  The proper hardcore away traveller types would probably enjoy it all those new grounds.... WB could add to his Wetherspoon's tick list, to such an extent that he could probably bring out a guide book to the Wetherspoon's of Britain (assuming there isn't already such an august tome)

Further there's now the Irn Bru Cup, (Scottish Challenge Cup)   Boreham Wood and Sutton both got in that for finishing 3rd and 4th in the Conference last year, and so play v Sweatie teams below the SPL but also Crusaders  and Coleraine of soon to be what used to be Norn Iron, Bohemians and Bray from RoI and New Saints and Connah's Quay Nomads from Cymru.  OK you might want to give Connah's Quay a swerve, sort of place when I was there 40 years ago, you entered at your peril.

But you could get as I think BW did Dunfermline.... surely you'd be all over that... chance to do the Calvin Harris trail, which if it doesn't exist should exist.   

The icing on the cake could be a trip to Waterford... got to be better than Chelsea U 21 in the Boycott.
 

some pointless facts (kind of) about Dunfermline.

* My sister lives on the outskirts of Dunfermline
* I have been to East End Park to watch Hearts play against the Pars (not sure how DA get that nickname)
* I have played and scored (a brace no less) on East End Park in an 11 a side game (they had a plastic pitch and so allowed punters to play on the pitch
* I bought a car at a garage within stone throwing distance of East End Park.

Boring, and not useful.





*East End Park is the name of Dunfermline's ground.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, October 25, 2018, 09:22:08
some pointless facts (kind of) about Dunfermline.

* My sister lives on the outskirts of Dunfermline
* I have been to East End Park to watch Hearts play against the Pars (not sure how DA get that nickname)
* I have played and scored (a brace no less) on East End Park in an 11 a side game (they had a plastic pitch and so allowed punters to play on the pitch
* I bought a car at a garage within stone throwing distance of East End Park.

Boring, and not useful.


Au contraire, this is the stuff we want. I do recall watching a stage of the Tour of Britain 3 or so years ago on the box, as it passed through Dunfermline and thinking it looked a bit run down... I guess Eedinburgh commuting might raise the house prices?  Does Calvin Harris at least have a blue plaque?








Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: RedRag on Thursday, October 25, 2018, 09:26:38
Steady on with all this optimism Reg. ;)

I now see that it's the rest of us who are curmudgeonly naysayers viewing the Conference as some kind of disaster


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, October 25, 2018, 09:47:00
Au contraire, this is the stuff we want. I do recall watching a stage of the Tour of Britain 3 or so years ago on the box, as it passed through Dunfermline and thinking it looked a bit run down... I guess Eedinburgh commuting might raise the house prices?  Does Calvin Harris at least have a blue plaque?


I am going to sound like an Edinburgh snob here a little bit, but most towns I went to in Scotland north of the Forth Road Bridge tend to look a little run down. (I was going to use Motherwell as an example but that's a Glasgow overspill, don't get me started on Partick!!) Dunfermline City Centre is ok I suppose, and for those who like a walk Dunfermline Abbey and Pittencrief Park are quite nice for a stroll in the sun.

Re house prices, I am not sure but commuting from South Fife into Edinburgh is really easy so you are probably right.

I am also unable to confirm about the blue plaque about Calvin Harris, although Robert the Bruce is buried in Dunfermline if that helps?





Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, October 25, 2018, 09:52:13
It's not even possible to rip the season ticket up in a public display of disgust these days.


You don't need to. The current M.O. is to tell all and sundry that you are not going anymore. Several times just to be sure that everybody heard you. Don't forget to let everybody know that you've been a season ticket holder for X number of years as you voice your disgust.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, October 25, 2018, 10:04:55
https://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/17006336.swindon-town-boss-phil-brown-urges-his-players-to-show-belief-in-front-of-goal-amid-tough-run/

Waffling shite is a clear sign if a manager that is struggling:

Quote
My confidence comes from the players playing well, and they are playing well to a certain extent.

No, Phil. They are not playing at all well. You're deluded if you think they are.

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“Fans are going to get frustrated when a team doesn’t quite get over the line.

“But I’ll go back to the effort and attempts on goal. If we weren’t trying, I could understand the fans’ reaction.

It's not a case of not quite getting over the line. We are failing miserably. We're not even close to the line, Phil.

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“But they can surely see that the players are working hard enough to try and alleviate the pressure that’s coming on everybody.”

OK then Phil. They're working hard so that makes it all OK does it? Working hard alone is enough to get us promoted is it?


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, October 25, 2018, 10:13:07
Where are these mysterious efforts on goal PB refers to? I have watched the last 3 games and can't remember off the top of my head ANY clear cut chances created.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, October 25, 2018, 10:14:38
I am going to sound like an Edinburgh snob here a little bit, but most towns I went to in Scotland north of the Forth Road Bridge tend to look a little run down. (I was going to use Motherwell as an example but that's a Glasgow overspill, don't get me started on Partick!!) Dunfermline City Centre is ok I suppose, and for those who like a walk Dunfermline Abbey and Pittencrief Park are quite nice for a stroll in the sun.

Re house prices, I am not sure but commuting from South Fife into Edinburgh is really easy so you are probably right.

I am also unable to confirm about the blue plaque about Calvin Harris, although Robert the Bruce is buried in Dunfermline if that helps?

I guess being commutable for Edinburgh creates a bubble....

Oddly, I was in Gloucester cathedral last week, where Edward II is buried, he being defeated by the Bruce at Bannockburn. His tomb recently being tarted up.... Edward got a bad rep for Bannockburn and its consequences, hence the whole red hot poker up the arse at Berkeley story for his alleged homosexuality.

Edward's older bro Alphonso, would have become king had he not died.... I wonder if we'd have then had 8 king Alphonsos rather than Edwards?

The Pars came out on top on pens after a trip to Herfordshire, after a 0-0 draw.   Sutton fared better, winning 1-0 at what I still call Airdrieonians, following up by losing on pens to Bohemians of Dublin after another 0-0 draw  :)


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: Batch on Thursday, October 25, 2018, 10:16:10
I think the Cambridge keeper made one (comfortable) save to his left in the second half and pushed out a Dunne effort in the first.

Richards put an effort wide in the second too..

But yeah, unsurprisingly we never really looked like scoring. again


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, October 25, 2018, 10:18:00
... and the Cambridge defence were woeful at times. All over the place and there for the taking.

Alas...


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: diggers on Thursday, October 25, 2018, 10:19:43
Conroy missed a sitter in the first half - free header straight at the keeper from close range, but that was the only real clear cut opportunity - unlike Cambridge who had 4 clear cut chances, scoring from 2 of them and blowing the other 2 in the second half.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, October 25, 2018, 10:31:52
You don't need to. The current M.O. is to tell all and sundry that you are not going anymore. Several times just to be sure that everybody heard you. Don't forget to let everybody know that you've been a season ticket holder for X number of years as you voice your disgust.

The ones who make the most noise about it are normally among the first to stop going.
After that, people just tend to slip away quietly. It's sad.

Anyway, onwards.
Forecast is for skies to be grey on Saturday.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, October 25, 2018, 10:40:54
The ones who make the most noise about it are normally among the first to stop going.
After that, people just tend to slip away quietly. It's sad.

Anyway, onwards.
Forecast is for skies to be grey on Saturday.

Twas ever thus.... like how you never hear anything from Loud and Proud these days, whereas my alternative Quiet and Ashamed is still in fine shape.

I used to spend alot of time in Nottingham, and reckoned it did grey better than anywhere else I'd been to in England, may have been the grime attached to the sanstone buildings.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Tails on Thursday, October 25, 2018, 12:43:26
Conroy missed a sitter in the first half - free header straight at the keeper from close range, but that was the only real clear cut opportunity - unlike Cambridge who had 4 clear cut chances, scoring from 2 of them and blowing the other 2 in the second half.

Richards had a header well saved in the 2nd half but otherwise yeah you're pretty much right.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, October 25, 2018, 16:06:39
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Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Bathtime on Thursday, October 25, 2018, 16:13:41
It has to be Brown doesn`t it...it`s his team...games I have seen we have looked okay and not as bad as the current position shows - I think the talent is there so he needs to sort it out and quick....it`s just all so Swindon Town...COYR


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Sir red ken on Thursday, October 25, 2018, 17:37:40
It has to be Brown doesn`t it...it`s his team...games I have seen we have looked okay and not as bad as the current position shows - I think the talent is there so he needs to sort it out and quick....it`s just all so Swindon Town...COYR
The team is every bit as useless as their league position shows. We've had teams in the past.that look to good to go down but did. As for PB I wasn't that impressed when he took over as we slipped out of the playoffs,what's more his win rate is sh1te. Our current form is bottom 2 and there's still enough time to join them. PB's team selection is always wrong to start the game and his subs are often baffling? So yes its Browns fault but here's the problem, we've had a succession of bad managers of late and they've been appointed by Power who in my opinion couldn't pick a successful if his life depended on it. Either that or he doesn't want success! I think we know where the fault lies ultimately.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: REDBUCK on Thursday, October 25, 2018, 19:53:11
That's a lot of waffle, for a Power Out opinion.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: donkey on Thursday, October 25, 2018, 21:56:38
I guess being commutable for Edinburgh creates a bubble....

Oddly, I was in Gloucester cathedral last week, where Edward II is buried, he being defeated by the Bruce at Bannockburn. His tomb recently being tarted up.... Edward got a bad rep for Bannockburn and its consequences, hence the whole red hot poker up the arse at Berkeley story for his alleged homosexuality.

Edward's older bro Alphonso, would have become king had he not died.... I wonder if we'd have then had 8 king Alphonsos rather than Edwards?

The Pars came out on top on pens after a trip to Herfordshire, after a 0-0 draw.   Sutton fared better, winning 1-0 at what I still call Airdrieonians, following up by losing on pens to Bohemians of Dublin after another 0-0 draw  :)
They are called Airdieonians by everybody now.  Changed their name a few years ago.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, October 26, 2018, 00:16:44
They are called Airdieonians by everybody now.  Changed their name a few years ago.

That's reassuring... I know they went bust and had to reform a bit like Bristol City 82 Ltd. But you don't want to be losing a name like Airdrieonians.

Names are important, look at Hull, went to shit after their owner wanted to rebrand them Hull Tigers, and got a fan backlash, you can imagine the outcry if 82, had become Slave Traders.

Could Hull really reappoint Brown? It would be best all round, with the proviso, that Brown's replacement on sacking was Iain Dowie.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, October 26, 2018, 07:52:14
That's reassuring... I know they went bust and had to reform a bit like Bristol City 82 Ltd. But you don't want to be losing a name like Airdrieonians.

Names are important, look at Hull, went to shit after their owner wanted to rebrand them Hull Tigers, and got a fan backlash, you can imagine the outcry if 82, had become Slave Traders.

Could Hull really reappoint Brown? It would be best all round, with the proviso, that Brown's replacement on sacking was Iain Dowie.
With Hull being in a worse position than us, and with his current track record here, would they really want him back ?,  certainly can't see them wanting to pay to get him back.  No, I think we're stuck with him, just got to get his finger out and get things turned around here.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Sir red ken on Friday, October 26, 2018, 08:12:17
That's a lot of waffle, for a Power Out opinion.
Yes it is, but I don't know what we're going to do, unless there's a takeover we're stuck with him. In the mean time us fans can only sit on our hands and watch the club sink. All we have to look forward too is another manager, appointed by the person who gave us all the other managers.All our good players have been sold and we are staring into the abyss. Sad times for a club with a history like ours.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: normy on Friday, October 26, 2018, 09:01:32
Brown says 'I take blame' in the Adver today. 'Fans should criticise me, not players.'


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, October 26, 2018, 09:21:38
With Hull being in a worse position than us, and with his current track record here, would they really want him back ?,  certainly can't see them wanting to pay to get him back.  No, I think we're stuck with him, just got to get his finger out and get things turned around here.

It's a long shot but funny things happen in football. For me, PB gets 3 more games, and needs at least one win or three draws.... anything less and he should be replaced. However there's no magic wand here, I suspect it'll be McDonald or Taylor.



Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, October 26, 2018, 09:32:52
It's a long shot but funny things happen in football. For me, PB gets 3 more games, and needs at least one win or three draws.... anything less and he should be replaced. However there's no magic wand here, I suspect it'll be McDonald or Taylor.
If we don't get 1 win in the next 3 then he must go, not even 3 draws is enough for me (yes I know as Mr Williams says 3 draws is a win blah blah blah) but its the actual WINNING of a game thats important.

I too think McDonald will take over probably with Taylor as his assistant and then its like theres been no change so for me that won't work.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: REDBUCK on Friday, October 26, 2018, 09:36:15
I'd be happy with a few small steps initially, a few shots and a proper goal would be a start :-)


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Sir red ken on Friday, October 26, 2018, 09:48:29
I'd be happy with a few small steps initially, a few shots and a proper goal would be a start :-)
Redbuck honestly, there's always one person, with an over inflated expectation of what's possible.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, October 26, 2018, 09:53:17
If we don't get 1 win in the next 3 then he must go, not even 3 draws is enough for me (yes I know as Mr Williams says 3 draws is a win blah blah blah) but its the actual WINNING of a game thats important.

I too think McDonald will take over probably with Taylor as his assistant and then its like theres been no change so for me that won't work.

I reckon with a relegation six pointer and a trip to the Div's highest scorers, who are armed with Norris, a couple of draws would be highly satisfactory.  We need to get back to first principles, starting by understanding we're in a battle for our FL future.

I'm not entirely sure that Taylor would want the job, having had a bit more time to have a look.  He might prefer a coaching post at a higher level, probably less grief and more money, and he'll have a good rep on the circuit.

If in the unlikely event Power looked outside, then Kevin Nolan could be a shout.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Abrahammer on Friday, October 26, 2018, 10:00:42
starting by understanding we're in a battle for our FL future.

Yes!!!!!  :pint:  :pint:


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, October 26, 2018, 10:06:08
Brown says 'I take blame' in the Adver today. 'Fans should criticise me, not players.'

Well that's handy then because we are.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 26, 2018, 10:08:01
well, if brown doesn't sort out the obvious, he may actually be right!


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, October 26, 2018, 10:34:12
well, if brown doesn't sort out the obvious, he may actually be right!

At this stage last season Barnet were 4 points adrift of where we are now... Yeovil 2 points, Yeovil stayed up by 2 points.

At this stage the table tends towards indicating the end of season, of course there are always a few who go one way or the other but it is only a few, last year 15 games in Crawley had an improvement, Grimsby had a terrible slide, and managed to get out by winning something like 4 of the last 5.  Grimsby's problem couldn't score...


Title: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 26, 2018, 10:41:23
it's too early to call. the signs are frightening, but there is a transfer window and a couple of players to get back up to fill speed that could make a difference.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: pauld on Friday, October 26, 2018, 10:54:12
Redbuck honestly, there's always one person, with an over inflated expectation of what's possible.
:D


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: pauld on Friday, October 26, 2018, 10:55:46
It's a long shot but funny things happen in football. For me, PB gets 3 more games, and needs at least one win or three draws.... anything less and he should be replaced. However there's no magic wand here, I suspect it'll be McDonald or Taylor.


Minded to agree. Not normally one to start looking for the panic button this early, but it's worrying at the moment.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, October 26, 2018, 11:04:04
it's too early to call. the signs are frightening, but there is a transfer window and a couple of players to get back up to fill speed that could make a difference.

True, but we need to be alert to the warning signs.... it is possible just to slide into the Conference like Rovers did a few years ago.... an average first 15, then a decent next third with only something like 3 defeats, got them seemingly safe in mid table then lost 8 of the last third, slipping into bottom 2 on the final day.

I'm sure the Gasheads didn't think they could possibly manage that.... complacency can do that you.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: REDBUCK on Friday, October 26, 2018, 12:23:56
I've got a feeling that they waited until 10 games from the end until they replaced their manager.


Title: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 26, 2018, 12:28:02
reg, I don't disagree these are worrying times.

Just got to hope we are all being melodramatic and it turns around.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, October 26, 2018, 13:39:52
It's a long shot but funny things happen in football. For me, PB gets 3 more games, and needs at least one win or three draws.... anything less and he should be replaced. However there's no magic wand here, I suspect it'll be McDonald or Taylor.


I take it you mean the next three league games,   York could be a distraction from the league fiasco,  but feel if we are to pick up points Notts Co is the game we must impose ourselves on,  can't see us getting anything at Colchester and Carlisle must be looking forward to coming here with their recent form.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 26, 2018, 13:41:35
"York could be a distraction"

that's one way of putting it...


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, October 26, 2018, 13:44:20
"York could be a distraction"

that's one way of putting it...
Meant to say disaster but couldn't spell it.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 26, 2018, 13:45:58
:)


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, October 26, 2018, 13:57:03
I take it you mean the next three league games,   York could be a distraction from the league fiasco,  but feel if we are to pick up points Notts Co is the game we must impose ourselves on,  can't see us getting anything at Colchester and Carlisle must be looking forward to coming here with their recent form.

Yep I'm thinking league games... unfortunately since Kewell came in Notts have picked up the home form and are undefeated under his regime, it's on the road they still struggle.

Tomorrow Brown needs to pick what he considers his most battling outfit and try and set up for a point and hope to nick a set piece or something. With that in mind, I'd bench the footballers like Alzate, Knoyle, Anderson. Doughty prob won't be fully fit, so maybe off the bench.  Pack the midfield with Toumani, Dunne, McCourt and Smith try and use the pace of Bayo and Woolery.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, October 26, 2018, 14:18:23
I was told today that Lancashire asked to come off at half time against Cambridge.

Hope the boo-sters are happy with themselves.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: pauld on Friday, October 26, 2018, 14:21:55

Tomorrow Brown needs to pick what he considers his most battling outfit
Well it would make a change from some of the baffling selections we've had recently


Title: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 26, 2018, 14:23:08
Quote
I was told today that Lancashire asked to come off at half time against Cambridge.

Hope the boo-sters are happy with themselves.
he looked to us like he asked to come off twice before half time (was at the game)


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, October 26, 2018, 14:26:15
I was told today that Lancashire asked to come off at half time against Cambridge.

Hope the boo-sters are happy with themselves.
Lancashire is a very limited defender and has been a weak link a lot this season but his last 2 or 3 games before Tuesday hes done ok and not been our worst defender in those matches.

Pointless booing a player who has returned to a bit of form recently, baffling and pointless.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Power to people on Friday, October 26, 2018, 14:58:39
We need to show signs of improvement starting on sat, it is to early to panic and clearly we are short of a couple of decent strikers, my worry is this form continues and Power decides Brown needs to make his mark in January transfer market to halt the slide.

I feel he needs to be given November to get this sorted failing that he will have to go.

Problem is look at the managers Power has recruited and I'd say of them all Brown was the one with the experience and should be doing better, trouble is we cant get dragged into a relegation fight this team are not built to fight and scrap for points


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Friday, October 26, 2018, 15:34:41

Problem is look at the managers Power has recruited and I'd say of them all Brown was the one with the experience and should be doing better

Essentially this. It isn't that he is a totally shit manager, most of his time at Southend will be looked back as fairly successful. Bringing them within a shot of Tier 2 football to Roots Hall for just over a decade. Even that previous taste was short lived and would have to go back to the mid-late 90s for added spells at Tier 2. It's not easy to get in and stay in the now Championship. Alas, PB is good enough to manage at top ten L1 for sure. He is underachieving though and you don't turn into a shit manager over night. Maybe the players he's bought in can't adapt to what he's trying to do? Something is amiss but I can't see after 15 games that a team of which he's largely added to, is now not prepared to play for him. Confidence is a huge thing in any player and boy do we need that. Currently the Town job seems like a poisoned chalice.

Maybe PB and the squad have underestimated the rest of the division and been complacent (not publicly but privately)? Every layer is underachieving bar the keepers, Knoyle and a few young lads. Not one is overachieving though. I think PB knows exactly what he needs but he can't get to it just yet (the well discussed, out and out LB and a striker).

Seasons aren't completed by October's end fortunately and we still have 2/3rds of a season to go. I know where I think and would like Town to be but a reality check is "we are where we are", once we accept this we can focus on doing something about it rather than whinging about it. Maybe just for once, Reg is probably closest on the money as to what our aspirations should be. It's down to us if we let our hearts rule our heads though.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, October 26, 2018, 15:52:09
He is underachieving though and you don't turn into a shit manager over night.

I think it's feasible for previously decent managers to become shit, brought down by cynicism and the changing nature of the game, perhaps taking a toll on their decision making. We'll have pretty good idea if this has happened to Brown over the next 3 or 4 games.  It could be we haven't considered the importance of Horton to him, I haven't crunched the numbers.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 26, 2018, 15:58:26
he's been crap at winning at Derby and Preston too.

even his Hull win record isn't great.

but that's only half the story of course


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: DV Canio on Friday, October 26, 2018, 16:22:36
Plus, I’m guessing as time goes on Managers contacts retire?

I have no evidence of this and it’s just an assumption (I really can’t be arsed to check) but Brown must have gone to Big Sam for a few loan player favours in his time?


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Friday, October 26, 2018, 16:23:49
he's been crap at winning at Derby and Preston too.

even his Hull win record isn't great.

but that's only half the story of course

Derby is forgivable for two reasons. His first true managerial gig (they don't always work out) and Derby fanbase and club has a huge expectation to be a Premier League club (and retain that status). It was exactly that for PB there and he didn't really get a chance.

They're being propped up by Mr. King atm who many will know is the creator of Candy Crush et al. Derby got lucky with him around and it's why I believe they are underachieving as a club.

Preston - I'm sure he was in charge for the 2nd Half of one season and the 1st half of another? So again difficult to assess his time there really. I don't know enough about their circumstances at the time...were they fighting relegation? and PB brought in to prevent it? If so he was sacked not long into the following season and I'm sure they were doing ok.

Hull and Southend are better measured because he actually spent more than a season at both. His Hull win % is only really affected by the time in the Premier League. Naturally they would attain more losses. Especially for a place more famous for it's Rugby League exploits, a bit like Wigan. Again, it's half the story and a lot of factors to dig into.

All we can go on is right now and where it matters he is underachieving. He needs to get his head around what's wrong and fairly quickly.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, October 26, 2018, 17:01:57
I don’t care how good/bad he was at other clubs. The fact is, he’s been shite for us in what amounts to half a season.

Get shot of this muppet.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Friday, October 26, 2018, 17:03:59
I don’t care how good/bad he was at other clubs. The fact is, he’s been shite for us in what amounts to half a season.

Get shot of this muppet.

Keep your knickers on Aud! It's not good for the ticker. Mind you, when has supporting Town ever been?!


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, October 26, 2018, 18:06:13
I'm with Audrey.

I ask myself if I think it's going to get better. My answer to my own question is: No! I hope he proves me wrong and goes on a winning run starting from tomorrow, can't see it happening though.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 26, 2018, 18:10:09
I've never seen you this pessimistic flash. obviously we all hope we are wrong too


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, October 26, 2018, 18:17:34
I also don't buy into the suggestion that Power won't get rid because he'll have to pay up Brown's wages. I think money has little to do with it.

Forgive me for linking to this shiterag, but apparently L2 managers earn around 50K/year. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2811433/League-One-Two-managers-earn-average-62-500-year.html

If Power got rid tomorrow, how much would he have to pay up? Let's say Brown is on 75K (a high estimate). You can be sure that that figure is heavily laden with bonuses, as with the others. I doubt he's on target to hit any of those. Even then, how much of the guaranteed salary of a contract would be paid up when a manager is sacked? He signed a 2 year deal, so there's about 1 1/2 years left? Even if he has to pay up completely on 75k and 1/2 years left, that's 100k.

I'd hazard a guess that Power would have to pay up around 50-75k if he got rid, which is a small amount compared to what has been invested in players.

I think him being slow to sack poor managers in the past has been down to misplaced confidence or dithering.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, October 26, 2018, 18:21:15
I've never seen you this pessimistic flash. obviously we all hope we are wrong too

I lost it with Williams as well, Batch.

I just think there's a line and it's been crossed, so action needs to be taken. I'm still not in Reg territory, though. I still want us to go up this year and I think it's still a realistic possibility. It's all down to a certain chappy that is making the decisions at the top.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: StfcRusty on Friday, October 26, 2018, 19:28:58
My mate has just seen Phil Brown at Witney Cineworld.  He's not a bullshitter by any stretch so 100% believe it to be the case.

Which would mean that we don't travel up to an away game the night before?  I'm pretty sure we always used to as recall seeing the coach leaving the county ground early Fri afternoon.

Is this Power cost-cutting?  Is it likely to affect performance sitting on a coach for 3 hours before a game?


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, October 26, 2018, 19:38:16
It’s a cumulative thing. All we’ve seen for the past 4 seasons is a diminishing club and it doesn’t really feel we’ve bottomed out yet.

Maybe the players genuinely aren’t good enough and Brown is trying to make a silk purse . . .

That’s not what I think. The players are plenty good enough compared to every club in this league bar 1 or 2. They are just not being utilised properly. And that’s Brown’s job.

20 plus games is more than enough.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Friday, October 26, 2018, 19:56:37

Which would mean that we don't travel up to an away game the night before?  I'm pretty sure we always used to as recall seeing the coach leaving the county ground early Fri afternoon.


Not necessarily true. The players and club staff (inc assistant) may have already traveled up. PB might like to drive to away locations himself to have some thinking time. It's not like he's got to worry about getting cramps or anything. Anyway it's not uncommon for a manager not to always travel on the coach. Mourinho got off and walked the other day.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, October 26, 2018, 20:00:32
PB might like to drive to away locations himself to have some thinking time.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GqQQVsF4BOE


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, October 27, 2018, 00:40:37
My mate has just seen Phil Brown at Witney Cineworld.  He's not a bullshitter by any stretch so 100% believe it to be the case.

Which would mean that we don't travel up to an away game the night before?  I'm pretty sure we always used to as recall seeing the coach leaving the county ground early Fri afternoon.

Is this Power cost-cutting?  Is it likely to affect performance sitting on a coach for 3 hours before a game?


Think there will be one or two, like Carlisle and possibly Morecambe where there's an overnight stop.... but mostly it will be travel on the day.

We're in Div 4, that's what happens. You have to worry when there isn't a coach but a mini-bus


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, October 27, 2018, 16:28:39
Phil Brown is a football genius ........


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: RedRag on Saturday, October 27, 2018, 17:52:30
Who do we blame now?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqxVMLVe62U


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Saturday, October 27, 2018, 17:56:20
Who do we blame now?
One swallow doesn’t make a summer - although it could make your weekend!


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, October 28, 2018, 08:52:06
One swallow doesn’t make a summer - although it could make your weekend!
Certainly made mine, before kick off and especially at half time  would have gladly taken a point,  once again,  is this the turning point ?.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Wellens, players or fans ??.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 18:24:57
Here we go again,  just WHO is at fault ?. Could probably make a good case for any of them (other than the fans).
Wellens will probably be going home head in hands wondering what he has let himself in for.
Nothing we can do now,  he's in, just have to stick with what we've got. To be fair PB DID know what we had, and couldn't make it work,  Wellens has yet to discover those delights, he did the sensible thing today,  started with 10 same players that won last week, did not try to change everything first game.  Think he was dammed if he did, and dammed if he didn't.  Dont blame him for todays performance, he has to be given a chance, but should performances like this continue is it the players attitudes, management inadequacy,  or owners inability to select an adequate manage that is the problem ?.  This January's transfer window cannot come soon enough, but then again,  who can we afford,  and who would want to come here ?.
The future is certainly not rosey, players need to start performing, otherwise we are staring the Conference straight in the face.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Wellens, players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 18:32:19
Here we go again,  just WHO is at fault ?. Could probably make a good case for any of them (other than the fans).
Wellens will probably be going home head in hands wondering what he has let himself in for.
Nothing we can do now,  he's in, just have to stick with what we've got. To be fair PB DID know what we had, and couldn't make it work,  Wellens has yet to discover those delights, he did the sensible thing today,  started with 10 same players that won last week, did not try to change everything first game.  Think he was dammed if he did, and dammed if he didn't.  Dont blame him for todays performance, he has to be given a chance, but should performances like this continue is it the players attitudes, management inadequacy,  or owners inability to select an adequate manage that is the problem ?.  This January's transfer window cannot come soon enough, but then again,  who can we afford,  and who would want to come here ?.
The future is certainly not rosey, players need to start performing, otherwise we are staring the Conference straight in the face.


 I don't think you can expect too much from the window.... Power will be hoping that with only 2 down we'll limp over the line. Macc do look terminal already, so we're in effect playing for one slot with 5 or 6 others.

There is really nothing to suggest that Power/Wellens/Hunt have what it takes to turn this around, other than a bit of luck on somebody being worse.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: Batch on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 18:46:01
Who do we blame. The realities of self sustainability, a disconnected fanbase and dodgy and late player recruitment, and a bit of bad luck in the manager market.

other than that it's great


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 19:03:02
Lee Power pure and simple.

Next month his 5 years is up- and we sit in our worst league position in our history.

We have gone from the league one play off final in May 2015 to this- it really is terminal decline.

He prefers to hide behind managers- but his transfer policy is a total joke and I blame him entirely for our position.

Problem is he is answerable to no one- and most of our fan base unbelievably prefer to sing his praises


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 19:05:35
Lee Power pure and simple.

Next month his 5 years is up- and we sit in our worst league position in our history.

We have gone from the league one play off final in May 2015 to this- it really is terminal decline.

He prefers to hide behind managers- but his transfer policy is a total joke and I blame him entirely for our position.

Problem is he is answerable to no one- and most of our fan base unbelievably prefer to sing his praises


More worrying are those who think him getting to own the CG is a good idea....


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: pauld on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 19:09:18
most of our fan base unbelievably prefer to sing his praises
Horseshit. The fan base is roughly split between those who think he should go, and those who argue that without an alternative there's no choice but to lump it i.e. grudging acceptance. Never heard anyone "signing his praises", much less "most of our fan base".


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: donkey on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 19:52:30
More worrying are those who think him getting to own the CG is a good idea....

You got that right,  Reg.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: 4D on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 20:04:59
Power. The town end suggested that today too.

The players could help with actually giving a toss, don't think I've seen a worse Town side. Good on yer Lee.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 20:07:24
I still think that Power's been unlucky in many respects. I also think he's been shit in many respects. If he weren't so shit, the bad luck would probably have had less of an impact.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 20:18:44
Horseshit. The fan base is roughly split between those who think he should go, and those who argue that without an alternative there's no choice but to lump it i.e. grudging acceptance. Never heard anyone "signing his praises", much less "most of our fan base".

There are however plenty on here, who are prepared to accept what Power says.... rather than look at the evidence of what he actually does and how it impacts the club.  Our current woes are down to nobody else but Power.  The only question for this season is can we stay up in Div 4.... we're now into uncharted territory.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Sir red ken on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 21:17:47
Its like watching the whirlpool when I've pulled the bath plug. We are being sucked down,who's going to want to sign for us in Jan. we could be on our third manager by then and have spunked our whole playing budget on mangers payoffs.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 22:05:02
I have be told that three players we missed out on financially was due to as little as £25 per week.....also that Wellens actually wached PB’s last three games.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 22:08:49
I have be told that three players we missed out on financially was due to as little as £25 per week.....also that Wellens actually wached PB’s last three games.

Sauce?


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Sippo on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 22:51:22
I have be told that three players we missed out on financially was due to as little as £25 per week.....also that Wellens actually wached PB’s last three games.

Seems very precise and inaccurate


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 22:55:34
So at least 3 players have said "If you don't give me 100 quid a month more, I'm signing for another team"?


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 22:57:03
Seems very precise and inaccurate

Also if players are turning down contracts for the difference of £25 pw then they want fucking. Sure it's just bollocks or likely we have a budget and stick to it. If a player isn't that keen on going somewhere and another club is interested, they only have to raise their package by £1300 pa. I don't believe though that we "missed out" because of a £25 pw shortfall though.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, November 17, 2018, 23:54:39
Also if players are turning down contracts for the difference of £25 pw then they want fucking. Sure it's just bollocks or likely we have a budget and stick to it. If a player isn't that keen on going somewhere and another club is interested, they only have to raise their package by £1300 pa. I don't believe though that we "missed out" because of a £25 pw shortfall though.
Swindon is an expensive place to live. Money goes a lot further in most of the clubs at our level and plus or minus one. It's totally believable but it's not the £25 difference but the overall package.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: woolster on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 00:37:01
supported this club for over 30 years, never thought we would be tinkering with the prospect of non league football, as someone stated the only 2  wins at home we got out of jail late on,
has anyone got Paul Harts number :cry:


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Trashbat? on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 09:27:50
Every managerial decision Power has made since that Preston game has been the wrong one.. we lost the last of the Di Canio era players as well as Byrne & Luongo replacing with garbage like Robert, Barry, Ojaama & BOO which ultimately lost Cooper his job, Ling was a good appointment but sadly wasn’t to be, Williams was then shoehorned into a role he wasn’t fit for, Sherwood came in and confused the matter then disappeared, Flitcroft was appointed too late into pre season wasted the budget then walked away, Brown came in did nothing and got the job and then assembled the most unbalanced squad I have ever seen, Wellens needs time to put his mark on things, but his honeymoon period is over already.

Our transfer business is scattergun and always done too late, we have wasted money on players like Woolery & Anderson that have no resale value. We have tried to polish turds, just because it worked once with Gladwin. Then went from a transfer policy of teenagers to OAP’s in just over a season. Transfers always appear to have the finger prints of Power on them.

All of these things have turned the fans away and fed the internet trolls, who in turn have whipped the brainless part of our fan base into a frenzy of keyboard bashing which has spread through the younger social media fans like a virus. I know so many longtime fans who no longer go as they have lost the love for the club and will probably never return, even with an upturn in fortunes.
The fans that do remain at the CG now boo at every opportunity, it won’t be long before the team is booed before kick off. But with our home record looking like below since Preston it’s not surprising fans have turned this way as there is no longer any entertainment.

Played - 78
Won - 28
Drawn - 19
Lost - 31
GF - 97 (1.24 per game)
GA - 113 (1.44 per game)
3 or more conceded - 10
No goal scored - 22

Power has not helped any of this by creating a news black out and distancing himself from problems and failed managers.

In short Power is to blame as he is ultimately the one that has created this with his decision making. Although looking across to Waterford, has he just been unlucky with his decisions!? He has always tried to change things when it hasn’t worked, but he always tends to make the situation worse.



Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 10:03:26
Sauce?

Someone I know, has a mate. This mate has a relartive in the club. Also forgot this, a DOF is being lined up. If the latter is true then after yesterday’s dogs dinner it maybe sooner rather than later, though I suspect that one is a flight of fantasy. Power is unlikely to throw £50k plus on a non playing DOF, he’s savvy enough to use that money on new blood if he has it under the sofa.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 10:05:19
They say any organisation rots from the head down. 5 Power years and he still hasn’t got it anywhere near right.

We don’t know whether stated budgets are true or not but whoever was in charge of spending them has fucked up every time.

We’ve had the owner recruiting, a DoF and 2 experienced managers giving it a go. All to no avail.

Power said he didn’t agree with a few of Flitcroft’s signings - some are obviously still here. Not sure how that’s gone down within the squad.

People say clubs sleepwalk to relegation. We seem to be embracing it head on.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: tans on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 10:43:52
Someone I know, has a mate. This mate has a relartive in the club. Also forgot this, a DOF is being lined up. If the latter is true then after yesterday’s dogs dinner it maybe sooner rather than later, though I suspect that one is a flight of fantasy. Power is unlikely to throw £50k plus on a non playing DOF, he’s savvy enough to use that money on new blood if he has it under the sofa.

That’ll be Paul Jewell then


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 10:50:21
That’ll be Paul Jewell then

Is it?


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 10:57:56
No STFC fan can say hand on heart that things are not bad under Power. Since Preston in the play-offs we’ve gone backwards and Power has to take ‘credit’ for that, of course he does.

We ALL want better for our football club, 18th in the bottom league, I believe, is our lowest position in HISTORY.

It’s shit, it really is but look at the club’s history, we’ve had two spells of administration, probably very close to going to the wall, the club was a mess financially. The Andrew Black era was a complete anomaly and I think some fans judgement has been affected by this period of time, which was wonderful.

I want better, we all want better. Fact is we HAD to cut our cloth accordingly and Power has done that and has us running within our means. It’s dull and on the pitch mistakes have been made with poor managerial appointments. None of them (apart from Ling) have worked.

I’d love a new chairman and new ideas but what do people really expect LP to do? Just walk away? What happens then? Has there been interest in the club from other parties? These magic billionaire unicorns aren’t going to appear if LP puts the club up for sale.



Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 10:57:58
Horseshit. The fan base is roughly split between those who think he should go, and those who argue that without an alternative there's no choice but to lump it i.e. grudging acceptance. Never heard anyone "signing his praises", much less "most of our fan base".

Spot on. 


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: tans on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 10:58:39
Would be my guess.

Worked with wellens before, powers mate, son was chief scout at the club. Thats who i’d put my money on if we were to get one.

Failing that,  ruel fox 😎


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 11:08:39
an experienced DOF above Hunt and Wellens makes the appointment much more sane.

what's Pat Fenlon up to?!


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 11:10:27
A DOF would be a good idea. It's clear that Power is struggling to manage the football side of things.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: tans on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 11:11:38
an experienced DOF above Hunt and Wellens makes the appointment much more sane.

what's Pat Fenlon up to?!

Gone to Linfield


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: tans on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 11:12:09
A DOF would be a good idea. It's clear that Power is struggling to manage the football side of things.

Wasnt this what that Seamus geezer did?


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 11:20:06
 Although we're in uncharted territory..... and the alarm bell is ringing, it's probably a bit too early for the panic button.

 None of us know what a Div 4 relegation battle looks like... we're more expert in relegations from the other 3 leagues.  

 Several of those, you could tell from the off, that we were nowhere near good enough. Others at times we've looked OK for parts of it, particularly in Div 3, with the 4 down.  If Div 4 was a 4 down league, you'd say we look a very likely candidate.

 But it isn't  :)  

 I think Wellens gets PV on Sat as free hit, to see whether he's understood anything about his squad and the situation, which it is in, then backed up by Stevenage at home on the Tuesday, and a chance to put the necessary changes into action.

 The cup game at the beginning of Dec is a bit of a distraction now.... but if we continue to slide, the Newport game should be used as a chance to protest Power's continued tenure.  OK it may not make him sell up, but I think he needs to know that many fans find our situation unacceptable and don't want it to get any worse.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: THE FLASH on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 11:21:02
Every managerial decision Power has made since that Preston game has been the wrong one.. we lost the last of the Di Canio era players as well as Byrne & Luongo replacing with garbage like Robert, Barry, Ojaama & BOO which ultimately lost Cooper his job, Ling was a good appointment but sadly wasn’t to be, Williams was then shoehorned into a role he wasn’t fit for, Sherwood came in and confused the matter then disappeared, Flitcroft was appointed too late into pre season wasted the budget then walked away, Brown came in did nothing and got the job and then assembled the most unbalanced squad I have ever seen, Wellens needs time to put his mark on things, but his honeymoon period is over already.

Our transfer business is scattergun and always done too late, we have wasted money on players like Woolery & Anderson that have no resale value. We have tried to polish turds, just because it worked once with Gladwin. Then went from a transfer policy of teenagers to OAP’s in just over a season. Transfers always appear to have the finger prints of Power on them.

All of these things have turned the fans away and fed the internet trolls, who in turn have whipped the brainless part of our fan base into a frenzy of keyboard bashing which has spread through the younger social media fans like a virus. I know so many longtime fans who no longer go as they have lost the love for the club and will probably never return, even with an upturn in fortunes.
The fans that do remain at the CG now boo at every opportunity, it won’t be long before the team is booed before kick off. But with our home record looking like below since Preston it’s not surprising fans have turned this way as there is no longer any entertainment.

Played - 78
Won - 28
Drawn - 19
Lost - 31
GF - 97 (1.24 per game)
GA - 113 (1.44 per game)
3 or more conceded - 10
No goal scored - 22

Power has not helped any of this by creating a news black out and distancing himself from problems and failed managers.

In short Power is to blame as he is ultimately the one that has created this with his decision making. Although looking across to Waterford, has he just been unlucky with his decisions!? He has always tried to change things when it hasn’t worked, but he always tends to make the situation worse.



All in a nutshell for me.

Denial

Distance

Discredit


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 14:03:59
Although we're in uncharted territory..... and the alarm bell is ringing, it's probably a bit too early for the panic button.

 None of us know what a Div 4 relegation battle looks like... we're more expert in relegations from the other 3 leagues.  

 Several of those, you could tell from the off, that we were nowhere near good enough. Others at times we've looked OK for parts of it, particularly in Div 3, with the 4 down.  If Div 4 was a 4 down league, you'd say we look a very likely candidate.

 But it isn't  :)  

 I think Wellens gets PV on Sat as free hit, to see whether he's understood anything about his squad and the situation, which it is in, then backed up by Stevenage at home on the Tuesday, and a chance to put the necessary changes into action.

 The cup game at the beginning of Dec is a bit of a distraction now.... but if we continue to slide, the Newport game should be used as a chance to protest Power's continued tenure.  OK it may not make him sell up, but I think he needs to know that many fans find our situation unacceptable and don't want it to get any worse.

None of us know what a Div 4 relegation battle looks like...

In a word, ugly.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 14:07:34
The cup game at the beginning of Dec is a bit of a distraction now.... but if we continue to slide, the Newport game should be used as a chance to protest Power's continued tenure.  OK it may not make him sell up, but I think he needs to know that many fans find our situation unacceptable and don't want it to get any worse.

Could make it Swiss themed.
Srk, for one, could be up for some direct action and might not need a great deal of persuasion to roll up sporting a pair of lederhosen and swinging a large cow bell in the direction of the posh seats while pointing the way back to Geneva.

The cow bell is ringing.  :)

Seriously though, if things continue as they are, then it's inevitable that protest will become more concerted and possibly organised.



Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 14:07:50
None of us know what a Div 4 relegation battle looks like...
If it continues like this we soon will ........


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: DV Canio on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 14:13:03
It’ll be like any other relegation battle.
You need to win games. Division is irrelevant.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 14:13:45
Quote from: Wobbly

Seriously though, if things continue as they are, then it's inevitable that protest will become more concerted and possibly organised.


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And what would that achieve ?, think he already knows the majority of fans feelings towards him.   He won't go until he's ready,  and no amount of protests will change that.
Would be more than happy to see another chairman in place, but think for now we're stuck with what we've got,  like it or not.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 14:27:21
I’m surprised there has been no thisiswindon style howling of ‘where’s the money gone?’


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 14:46:46
[quote author=Wobbly

Seriously though, if things continue as they are, then it's inevitable that protest will become more concerted and possibly organised.


And what would that achieve ?, think he already knows the majority of fans feelings towards him.   He won't go until he's ready,  and no amount of protests will change that.
Would be more than happy to see another chairman in place, but think for now we're stuck with what we've got,  like it or not.

Protests would at least alert the Trust, to the fact that they should reconsider getting into bed with Power over the CG and perhaps possibly consider being the buyer of the club, if Power can be persuaded to withdraw.

Certainly do nothing and you'll get nothing... and can't really complain if we're playing Chippenham etc in a couple of years time.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 14:55:47
Maybe somebody needs to go to Switzerland and paint his driveway


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 15:05:08
It’ll be like any other relegation battle.
You need to win games. Division is irrelevant.

Obviously not irrelevant... Div 4 only has 2 down. You could get a season with 2 poor clubs like 15/16 where 35 points could keep you up... or a season like 12/13 where 52 was required.

Having a target is important as Wellens seemed to think 50 was enough at Oldham, which he achieved.... it wasn't.

We have Macc, who look like they will get a low number... early doors Morecambe looked a viable candidate, with financial problems and last season some gates below 1000. Now a point behind us.

Notts at the moment are our best hope of a complete implosion... which would ease the pressure on us considerably.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: DV Canio on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 16:18:47
So, what your saying is - you still need to win games to stay up in division 4.

Just like every other fucking division.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: Batch on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 16:22:15
it is, but it's also true you don't get saved by there only being 2 crap teams in other divisions.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 16:23:31

We have Macc, who look like they will get a low number... early doors Morecambe looked a viable candidate, with financial problems and last season some gates below 1000. Now a point behind us.

Notts at the moment are our best hope of a complete implosion... which would ease the pressure on us considerably.

Grimsby & Cambridge will be in the race to escape the Football League black hole too. That's four who over the course of the season I think will finish below us. Something like a bottom four of;

21 Cambridge Utd
22 Grimsby/Notts
============
23 Notts/Grimsby
24 Macclesfield

I'm going to go out on a limb and say we'll have a very mini decent run at some point and ultimately finish about 14th. It will be deemed a relative success. Not brilliant but not a disaster. The real hard work will start next season.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 16:34:19
So, what your saying is - you still need to win games to stay up in division 4.

Just like every other fucking division.

If you get a 35 point season we could draw 14 of the next 28 and still stay up..no wins required.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 16:37:11
Lots of shit is going to happen between now and May so I'm still in 'focusing-only-on-Swindon-results' mode.

Currently, we're not very good at all.

Hope this helps.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: DV Canio on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 17:04:02
If you get a 35 point season we could draw 14 of the next 28 and still stay up..no wins required.

We’ve already won 5 games. So wins were required


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 17:32:47
We’ve already won 5 games. So wins were required

But this is about fan perception and it's only now that many have realised that we're in trouble... earlier some people were saying, that the squad is stronger than last seasons, because Flitcroft was useless, and Brown's sexy football should have us in the PO's if not the autos. This made it so much more enjoyable to go and watch games at the CG.

Having said that I'm not sure Power gets we're in trouble.... rattling on about 5th highest budgets and need for change so Wellens can get us into PO's playing even more sexy Lukeball, at a time when Brown seemed to have got the need for some pragmatism and a bit of scrappage


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: DV Canio on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 19:57:19
So, do we need to win games to stay up or not?


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 20:18:43
So, do we need to win games to stay up or not?

The team with more points than the bottom two (GD pending) will stay up*



*I'm being a dick btw. Hop you're well?


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 20:31:34
So, do we need to win games to stay up or not?

Well we're in the uncharted territory of a Div 4 relegation battle... it is possible we could stay up with draws. However lets not leave it to chance.... Wellens got 7 draws in Oldham's last 8, with a single defeat. They'd have stayed up with 3 wins and 5 defeats.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: DV Canio on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 21:44:24
Well we're in the uncharted territory of a Div 4 relegation battle... it is possible we could stay up with draws. However lets not leave it to chance.... Wellens got 7 draws in Oldham's last 8, with a single defeat. They'd have stayed up with 3 wins and 5 defeats.

The word you were looking for was ‘yes’

Yes, we need to win games to stay up. Just like in all the divisions making a Division 4 relegation battle no different from any other division.

HTH.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 21:52:06
The word you were looking for was ‘yes’

Yes, we need to win games to stay up. Just like in all the divisions making a Division 4 relegation battle no different from any other division.

HTH.
Why use one word when you can use 53?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: DV Canio on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 22:22:12
Why use one word when you can use 53?  :hmmm:

....and still not say anything decisive


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Sunday, November 18, 2018, 23:00:43
....and still not say anything decisive
Keep it up DV. It's hilarious trying to see him avoid just saying that winning games would help us avoid relegation  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, November 19, 2018, 08:46:20
Personally, I've a hunch that we'll be just fine if we win enough games. Win enough and we might even make the playoffs.

I know it's a bit far-fetched but bear with me because I think I might be onto something here.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 19, 2018, 08:51:56
proof or STFU


Title: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 19, 2018, 08:53:52
anyway I'm sticking up for Reg. He's just applying the staple formula of football mathmatics (Williamsonsian branch):

   3d=w


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 19, 2018, 08:56:03
The word you were looking for was ‘yes’

Yes, we need to win games to stay up. Just like in all the divisions making a Division 4 relegation battle no different from any other division.

HTH.

I'll agree to disagree, as this one is going nowhere.... I'll carry on looking at the 2 down making it different to the 4 down of Div 3, and the temporary 4 down of of Div 2, of which we fell foul in 94/95. Then the difference was exposed by the fact that by finishing 21st we went down, but under the usual 3 down we wouldn't have.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, November 19, 2018, 08:56:35
proof or STFU

It's an idea that's more at the conceptual stage.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, November 19, 2018, 09:02:05
....and still not say anything decisive

And then deny actually saying it about 5 posts later, as OI have said on a few occasions he's either a cat or Theresa May?


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: DV Canio on Monday, November 19, 2018, 09:17:04
I'll agree to disagree, as this one is going nowhere.... I'll carry on looking at the 2 down making it different to the 4 down of Div 3, and the temporary 4 down of of Div 2, of which we fell foul in 94/95. Then the difference was exposed by the fact that by finishing 21st we went down, but under the usual 3 down we wouldn't have.

So, what you’re actually saying is in order to stay up we need to finish outside the relegation zone.
Just like in every other division.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or f
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 19, 2018, 09:24:26
anyway I'm sticking up for Reg. He's just applying the staple formula of football mathmatics (Williamsonsian branch):

   3d=w

 I think there will be a small exhibition dedicated to it in the long awaited STFC museum.... OK not quite The Smithsonian, or even The Ashmolean, but Williamsonsian does have a certain ring to it.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 19, 2018, 09:27:56
So, what you’re actually saying is in order to stay up we need to finish outside the relegation zone.
Just like in every other division.

We're STFC... we managed to get relegated in 89/90, despite being well clear of the relegation zone.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Monday, November 19, 2018, 09:33:46
Struggling to see why people avoid this site


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, November 19, 2018, 09:57:37
We're STFC... we managed to get relegated in 89/90, despite being well clear of the relegation zone.

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3487/4022812485_f4a9f33406_b.jpg)



Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, November 19, 2018, 10:04:31
I think it's fair to say that the fact that we need to win games is an incontrovertible truth which anyone can see. I have found though over the years that trying to argue with Reg is like trying to herd cats...  ;)


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 19, 2018, 10:28:16
I think it's fair to say that the fact that we need to win games is an incontrovertible truth which anyone can see. I have found though over the years that trying to argue with Reg is like trying to herd cats...  ;)

The point isn't about whether winning games is desirable of course it is... the point is about relegation battles being different depending on time and context, such as which division you're in; when.  So for example my first relegation battle was in 64/65, 2 went down from Div 2, and we dropped in very controversial circumstances.... when a late Northampton OG, gifted Pompey the point they needed, in a Saturday evening KO, which the FL allowed though all other games had kicked off at 3.

Now the context here was that only 2 went down and it was played under 2 points for a win and GA (goal average) rather than (GD) goal difference, so we won more games 14, than Pompey or Leyton Orient 12, but still dropped.

Had, the current 3 points for  a win, and GD been used we'd have stayed up, even with the present 3 down. 



Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, November 19, 2018, 10:29:07
Struggling to see why people avoid this site

The bonhomie on both  the Adver site and FB is hard to beat.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 14:34:03
Grimsby & Cambridge will be in the race to escape the Football League black hole too. That's four who over the course of the season I think will finish below us. Something like a bottom four of;

21 Cambridge Utd
22 Grimsby/Notts
============
23 Notts/Grimsby
24 Macclesfield

I'm going to go out on a limb and say we'll have a very mini decent run at some point and ultimately finish about 14th. It will be deemed a relative success. Not brilliant but not a disaster. The real hard work will start next season.

Grimsby are interesting, their last season shows how bad you can be and stiil stay up in Div 4... so a source of encouragement.

Last season after 18 they had 23, we've 21. They then beat us and backed it up with another couple of wins, so 31 points after 21 games. Then no win in 20, only 7 draws, so 38 after 41, looked like they were done, but 4 wins in 5 saved them.

Working on that basis we'll probably need something like 7 wins and 9 draws from the remaining 28 games, unless someone else joins Macc in looking doomed. Sounds easy enough , but difficult to see atm.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: DV Canio on Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 15:01:23
So, Grimsby won games and stayed up??

So, that’s the secret to a division 4 relegation battle? as opposed to other divisions where it’s different


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 15:07:08
We’ve 6 teams below us at the moment. If we agree Macc are already fucked, can we expect the remaining 5 to have more or less of a chance to go on runs that overtake us.

Will our present poor run really continue long enough for 5 teams to go past us?


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 15:16:40
We’ve 6 teams below us at the moment. If we agree Macc are already fucked, can we expect the remaining 5 to have more or less of a chance to go on runs that overtake us.

Will our present poor run really continue long enough for 5 teams to go past us?

You'd expect somebody to haul themselves out, who knows it could be us. FGR did it last season,when Vince dipped his hand into his wallet and bought a few in January.

Up to about the 30 game mark, FGR had been bottom 2 at that point they got themselves out and Barnet and Chesterfield then occupied the slots for the rest of the season.... was close mind.  Grimsby never got into the drop zone, got to third bottom but still had a small buffer.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 16:04:20
Grimsby are interesting, their last season shows how bad you can be and stiil stay up in Div 4... so a source of encouragement.

Last season after 18 they had 23, we've 21. They then beat us and backed it up with another couple of wins, so 31 points after 21 games. Then no win in 20, only 7 draws, so 38 after 41, looked like they were done, but 4 wins in 5 saved them.

Working on that basis we'll probably need something like 7 wins and 9 draws from the remaining 28 games, unless someone else joins Macc in looking doomed. Sounds easy enough , but difficult to see atm.

Ahh but see this is where we differ. You look at the more negative elements toward Town, myself at the more positive (sometimes over achingly, I'll admit). See Grimsby were better last season after 18 games with 23pts. You failed to mention that this season after 18 they are shitter. They have 18pts after 18 games.

Working on that basis, with Grimsby being shitter than they were last season, they will join Macclesfield in the drop. We have to factor in Notts County because of where they are and if Cheltenham don't win their game in hand surely they are in trouble too?

The biggest two upsides currently are;

One win puts us 13th. Above that the points get squeezed. We're realistically playing for a mid-table finish with the likes of Oldham, Crawley, Northampton, Port Vale, Crewe, Yeovil. In that order Crawley are 13th. In the last 5 games we have the same form (4pts from 5), except our win is more recent than Crawley. The 5 game form reads (most recent to the right);

Crawley - WDLLL
Town     - DLWLL

Should Crawley be concerned that their form marginally looks worse than Towns (as in 0 win in 4 to our 1 win in 3) and that we can easily switch places with them?

The other upside;

Even if ALL of the 6 teams below us were to win their next match, their GDs are already much worse; Morecambe & Grimsby -11, Cambridge -13, Chelt -10, Notts -19, Macc -23. Even a 3-0 win at best would only see them level GD (talking Numb w GIH). Bar Morecambe, a win anyway could only bring two of them level.

While I agree we're a bit shit currently, I do think we'll have a run. Not a Crystal Palace style run from a few years back but at least one good month of 3-4 wins on the bounce.

One thing to bear in mind, but of course not to put hope on is this;
Last season, League Two Champions Accrington, had 37pts from the halfway point of 23 games. We currently have 21pts from 18 games. Now it would be a tough ask on anyone but I mention purely on the basis of; if Town had a 5 game winning run, right now - we'd have 36pts from 23 games.

The dynamic and variables of football are interesting ones but it certainly does make one think  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 16:35:00
Ahh but see this is where we differ. You look at the more negative elements toward Town, myself at the more positive (sometimes over achingly, I'll admit). See Grimsby were better last season after 18 games with 23pts. You failed to mention that this season after 18 they are shitter. They have 18pts after 18 games.

Working on that basis, with Grimsby being shitter than they were last season, they will join Macclesfield in the drop. We have to factor in Notts County because of where they are and if Cheltenham don't win their game in hand surely they are in trouble too?

The biggest two upsides currently are;

One win puts us 13th. Above that the points get squeezed. We're realistically playing for a mid-table finish with the likes of Oldham, Crawley, Northampton, Port Vale, Crewe, Yeovil. In that order Crawley are 13th. In the last 5 games we have the same form (4pts from 5), except our win is more recent than Crawley. The 5 game form reads (most recent to the right);

Crawley - WDLLL
Town     - DLWLL

Should Crawley be concerned that their form marginally looks worse than Towns (as in 0 win in 4 to our 1 win in 3) and that we can easily switch places with them?

The other upside;

Even if ALL of the 6 teams below us were to win their next match, their GDs are already much worse; Morecambe & Grimsby -11, Cambridge -13, Chelt -10, Notts -19, Macc -23. Even a 3-0 win at best would only see them level GD (talking Numb w GIH). Bar Morecambe, a win anyway could only bring two of them level.

While I agree we're a bit shit currently, I do think we'll have a run. Not a Crystal Palace style run from a few years back but at least one good month of 3-4 wins on the bounce.

One thing to bear in mind, but of course not to put hope on is this;
Last season, League Two Champions Accrington, had 37pts from the halfway point of 23 games. We currently have 21pts from 18 games. Now it would be a tough ask on anyone but I mention purely on the basis of; if Town had a 5 game winning run, right now - we'd have 36pts from 23 games.

The dynamic and variables of football are interesting ones but it certainly does make one think  :hmmm:

I like your analysis, indeed there's nothing wrong with our position that say a nice little run of 4 wins in a row couldn't put right, for the time being.

However the concern is the lack of goals which is now reaching historic proportions of shitness for any Div let alone 4. 1 goal and an OG from open play in the last 9.

The last run of similar shitness was in 96/97 in Div 2, however very different context, then we'd had a reasonable season, up until 10 games to go, when we got stuffed 7 at Bolton, but bounced back to beat Stoke 1-0, with 8 games to go, at that point we were 3 points off the PO's on 52..  you'd imagine the players psychologically knocked off, as we only scored 1 in the last 8 and picked up 2 more points from 0-0's never in any real danger of dropping though.

So whereas now we're on 3 from 9.... then we had 2 from 9.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 17:06:53
I like your analysis, indeed there's nothing wrong with our position that say a nice little run of 4 wins in a row couldn't put right, for the time being.

However the concern is the lack of goals which is now reaching historic proportions of shitness for any Div let alone 4. 1 goal and an OG from open play in the last 9.

Good point. I think we have enough in us though (current team pre Jan window) to scramble at least 1 win in every 3 of our remaining games. That would give us 9 wins so would see us on c48pts. Surely also worth at least 5 draws among that period too? Would see us finish on c53pts. That's actually assuming that our form were to get even worse. On current showing we're actually heading for a season form of something close to;

Team W   D    L    Pts
Town 14  15  17  57

Which should put us in that c14/15th position that I believe we'll end up in.

I'm going at come back at halfway plus 4 (27 games) and explore this. On my basis in 9 games we should be on something like;

Team W   D    L    Pts
Town  8    9   10   33


I would of course like better but we would be on course for mid-table mediocrity and not the relegation meltdown, that seems to be being injected into many at present.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 17:12:11

The last run of similar shitness was in 96/97 in Div 2, however very different context, then we'd had a reasonable season, up until 10 games to go, when we got stuffed 7 at Bolton, but bounced back to beat Stoke 1-0, with 8 games to go, at that point we were 3 points off the PO's on 52..  you'd imagine the players psychologically knocked off, as we only scored 1 in the last 8 and picked up 2 more points from 0-0's never in any real danger of dropping though.

So whereas now we're on 3 from 9.... then we had 2 from 9.

Sorry Reg, only just seen your edited response. I couldn't possibly comment on a season so long ago. Do feel free to check in with Exiled Bob though - I think he has all my ticket stubbs and proof of existence.  ;)


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: PlymRed on Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 17:14:10
One major thing is we need to start games quicker, our stats for half time. Not good enough.

Home P9 W0 D4 L5 GS1 GC7
Away P9 W2 D2 L5 GS5 GC7


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 17:22:49
One major thing is we need to start games quicker, our stats for half time. Not good enough.

Home P9 W0 D4 L5 GS1 GC7
Away P9 W2 D2 L5 GS5 GC7


That's interesting and we definitely do need to start quicker but that also infers we have;

Won 3 more when we've been behind at HT.
&
Most glaringly. When we've been drawing at HT, it's stayed a draw! I wonder if that trend continues? Good one for the betting man. Shows up the fine margin of being on 1pt and converting it to 3pts or 0pts.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 17:23:02
Bottom of the 1st half time league,  mid table second half league.

I was wondering if the second half league 'form' is because due to their first half lead teams sit back, let us attach and soak up the pressure/watch us fail to hit the target.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 17:42:49
One major thing is we need to start games quicker, our stats for half time. Not good enough.

Home P9 W0 D4 L5 GS1 GC7
Away P9 W2 D2 L5 GS5 GC7

That is interesting.... sort of links in with the we haven't scored first in a home game yet.   I assume we have an analyst looking at this stuff, but it make you wonder why we don't come out of the traps more rapidly?  Is it that it is felt the players aren't fit enough, so need to pace themselves to last the 90?


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 18:03:05
When Alzate is our top scorer from open play*, you know we’re in the brown stuff.

*guessing, but not far off I reckon


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 18:09:53
I'd have said it was Adebayo myself without looking. Still brown stuff territory though


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 18:26:10
Alzate has 2. But you’re right -Adebayo must have scored a couple more.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 18:50:52
Alzate has 2. But you’re right -Adebayo must have scored a couple more.
4 from memory - MK, Yeovil, Tranmere & Morecambe.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 20:04:53
That is interesting.... sort of links in with the we haven't scored first in a home game yet.   I assume we have an analyst looking at this stuff, but it make you wonder why we don't come out of the traps more rapidly?  Is it that it is felt the players aren't fit enough, so need to pace themselves to last the 90?

I often wondered, before stats became such a thing in football, whether there was anything to be gained from other sports.  Specifically, as a fan, the 49ers of the 80's/early 90's used to pre-script 15-20 plays at the start of games, so come what may they ran a defined play to test the defence and ensure they started a certain way.  I wondered if you could do something like that in football, play a certain way for 10 minutes, then maybe switch for 10 and see where the game was going at that point before deciding how to approach the rest of the game.  Maybe play the first 5 like it's the last 5 and you need a goal to get back into the game?  Even if that went badly, just go with it.

Anyway, turned out Le Tissier had taken this to an extreme and just kicked the ball out on purpose at the start of games.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 21:16:04
Maybe play the first 5 like it's the last 5 and you need a goal to get back into the game?  Even if that went badly, just go with it.

Anyway, turned out Le Tissier had taken this to an extreme and just kicked the ball out on purpose at the start of games.

Yes scenario replication, if anything the other team might be flummoxed by what the hell you're trying to do (wouldn't it be great if the fans were in on it too and were really cheering the lads on. Could be achieve, piece of paper on home seats "First 5 mins. We've just scored. Singing and chants.") Every one would think your bonkers but it would be an interesting strategy. Something a manager like Ian Holloway would probably be keen on doing.

Yes and there was one time when Le Tissier got it wrong and his own player kept the ball in play!


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 21:40:15
I always enjoyed that foreign team where all the fans ran around the stands with arrows pointing to the goal after not seeing them score in x months


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 21:42:56
I always enjoyed that foreign team where all the fans ran around the stands with arrows pointing to the goal after not seeing them score in x months

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBPYHAI4pqA

Magdeborg fans in Germany..


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 21:56:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBPYHAI4pqA

Magdeborg fans in Germany..

Something the Quite and Ashamed group could have combined with the Loud and Proud group!

The GW Reds could try this but it would mean we only know what to do when playing towards the Town End, unless the Ball Boys could get the Bank sorted out.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, November 20, 2018, 22:30:28
We could put the Simpsons cardboard cutouts back on the Bank, but this time put them directly behind the net & tell our players to aim for them.
Only problem might be with a cardboard cutout of Krusty; telling our players to aim for the clown throws up a wide range of targets


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: flammableBen on Wednesday, November 21, 2018, 01:22:44

That's interesting and we definitely do need to start quicker but that also infers we have;

Won 3 more when we've been behind at HT.
&
Most glaringly. When we've been drawing at HT, it's stayed a draw! I wonder if that trend continues? Good one for the betting man. Shows up the fine margin of being on 1pt and converting it to 3pts or 0pts.

Feeling a bit nostalgic tonight... Was it around the tail end of the Danny Wilson era where we went something silly like a year and a bit without coming back from behind to win? Something in my brain is twitching, maybe malpas?


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, November 21, 2018, 07:08:33
It was certainly something that was very rare in the Di Canio era. It's possible we never managed it with him in charge (not that we actually went behind that often in his time)


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, November 21, 2018, 07:28:02
I seem to remember DV enjoying that stat at some point.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, November 21, 2018, 08:49:49
I seem to remember DV enjoying that stat at some point.
I remember DV enjoying every stat at some point  ;)


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 21, 2018, 08:55:44
I remember DV enjoying every stat at some point  ;)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/04/14/09/2784941600000578-3036912-Loughran_became_known_as_Statto_when_he_worked_alongside_David_B-a-5_1428998760159.jpg)


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Shrivvy Road on Wednesday, November 21, 2018, 08:57:12
 :D Lovely lad though is our DV


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, November 21, 2018, 10:14:46
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBPYHAI4pqA

Magdeborg fans in Germany..

Frankly is something that could do with being done, would bring back some humour to the place and also some possibly good publicity to lift the doom and gloom.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, November 21, 2018, 10:23:31
Frankly is something that could do with being done, would bring back some humour to the place and also some possibly good publicity to lift the doom and gloom.

in the current atmosphere we wouldn't get any fans interested enough but yes, something that hasn't been done in this country and would bring some humour in times of adversity.

if any team was to try it I actually thought it was huddersfield as 2 matches ago they hadn't scored a goal at home. fans instead backed their team to the hilt to turn the tide. and it worked last 2 games!


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 21, 2018, 10:37:46
in the current atmosphere we wouldn't get any fans interested enough but yes, something that hasn't been done in this country and would bring some humour in times of adversity.

Wellens thanked the fans on Saturday for not giving out too much stick, he thought more was justified... the demographic of our fans is ageing, and as such has no longer got the younger element, that can raise the enthusiasm to protest against Power... I guess he knows it. 

The anti Diamond Mike stuff is 11/12 years ago now and most of the leading lights are well into middle age, pipe and slippers at the ready, or gave up going some years ago.

The subsequent generation has Facebook.... where something can flutter for 5 mins, before people disappear like the JayBox lot, into cyber space.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, November 21, 2018, 11:03:25
Apart from a couple of decent seasons the clubs been going nowhere since the early 90s. No apparent drive to bring success and advancement to the club, just plodding. Not surprising interest is low. Still rather go now and then than become an armchair premier team fan.
Trouble is the last 3 games for me have yielded nil goals for Swindon and five against. Dire.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Honest Lee on Wednesday, November 21, 2018, 11:59:48

if any team was to try it I actually thought it was huddersfield as 2 matches ago they hadn't scored a goal at home. fans instead backed their team to the hilt to turn the tide. and it worked last 2 games!
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The fact that they are in the Premier (bollocks) League  could have something to do with it.
We stuck with our team when we were there despite conceding 100 league goals.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 21, 2018, 12:50:39
Apart from a couple of decent seasons the clubs been going nowhere since the early 90s. No apparent drive to bring success and advancement to the club, just plodding. Not surprising interest is low. Still rather go now and then than become an armchair premier team fan.
Trouble is the last 3 games for me have yielded nil goals for Swindon and five against. Dire.

The main problem is poor home form.... usually you'll pick up a few home wins here and there even if a bit shit.  So for example we went 8 games in the Prem without a home win... but we knew it was going to be difficult, so no great surprise.

A poor run of home games without a win is usually a pretty good indicator of a relegation season or at least, a battle. The daddy season is 10/11... when we went 13 games from about Christmas to the end of the campaign without a home win. This was generally reckoned at the time to be one of our worst ever sides... despite having some seemingly good players.

Another candidate would be 99/00, where we went 9 games without a home win... but again like in the Prem, no great surprise as Admin meant a fire sale of players, and we weren't able to compete in Div 2.

 We know our current 7 is a record for Div 4 , but it's now starting to resemble one of the relegation seasons, where we look out of our depth.... surely that can't be the case in Div 4  :hmmm:

 The next up is Stevenage... which simply is a must win game. There comes a point whereby you have to show you'e capable of winning at home not just talking about it, if you want to survive at the level being played at.


Title: Re: Who Do we blame ?, Power/Brown/Players or fans ??.
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, November 21, 2018, 12:56:57
It was certainly something that was very rare in the Di Canio era. It's possible we never managed it with him in charge (not that we actually went behind that often in his time)
Came from behind twice at home against Rotherham live on Sky, was the turning point for Di Canio's reign.