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Title: New Manager
Post by: Sir red ken on Monday, April 16, 2018, 16:37:46
Not discounting our current PB as manager, come the end of this season we could be looking for a new boss! Now I know what song we want to sing and that the Robins should be changed to the moonrakers, but who do we want as manager for next season? dream away STFC fans


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, April 16, 2018, 16:43:13
As the present borefest of a season is still in its death throes I honestly can’t be arsed to think about next season, any new manager, any replacement tosspots we may sign.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, April 16, 2018, 17:06:19
A player-manager. Somebody retiring from the premiership, completely untested in management.

We've tried the solid, no-nonsense approach and we got lots of nonsense and no solidity. Let's take a risk. Let's have some fun.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: RedRag on Monday, April 16, 2018, 17:28:02
Not discounting our current PB as manager, come the end of this season we could be looking for a new boss! Now I know what song we want to sing and that the Robins should be changed to the moonrakers, but who do we want as manager for next season? dream away STFC fans
Excuse gloom and negativity (it will soon pass to unfounded optimism) but my new song (right now) would be

You're so shit,
you probably think this song is about you,
You're so shit,
I'll bet you think this song is about you
Don't you?
Don't you



etc


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Sir red ken on Monday, April 16, 2018, 18:15:52
Excuse gloom and negativity (it will soon pass to unfounded optimism) but my new song (right now) would be

You're so shit,
you probably think this song is about you,
You're so shit,
I'll bet you think this song is about you
Don't you?
Don't you



etc
Yeah that about sums up where we're at. It's sad that such a song is a reflection of our current plight.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Monday, April 16, 2018, 18:49:09
As the present borefest of a season is still in its death throes I honestly can’t be arsed to think about next season, any new manager, any replacement tosspots we may sign.

This.

But I'd rather go for an up and coming manager looking to take the next step, or a Luggy type (not that I know who that would be).


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Sir red ken on Monday, April 16, 2018, 19:53:22
Everyone I want would fall into the realms of fantasy,not becaue they wouldn't come but because there's no way LP would dig deep to pay them. Which means that if Brown leaves at the end of this season, we'll be starting next season with Matt Taylor and a sprinkling of loans. There's a lot of players that would fit into the player manager category and perhaps lift the gloom, if only we'd give them a chance. However with the exception of our current manager, LP always promotes from within so its Matt Taylor and we'll bring back Williams as assistant manager.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, April 16, 2018, 21:01:27
This.

But I'd rather go for an up and coming manager looking to take the next step, or a Luggy type (not that I know who that would be).

Ah the ‘Up and coming manager’ conundrum. We’ve been there before haven’t we? Worth considering that when we have had them they’ve not hung round for long whether successful or not. When basking in the glories it is invariably the carnage they leave behind that’s the most painful part to swallow. Macari, Hoddle, beady eyed shortarse & Poyet, Ardiles, lest we forget Di Canio and McMahon. You will ALL have the ‘ah but’ replies to this post and I am in no way advocating that we don’t go for one just be mindful of what can go wrong as well as right.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Ells on Monday, April 16, 2018, 22:04:59
However with the exception of our current manager, LP always promotes from within

So basically he always does except when he doesn't. Great point


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 07:41:42
I may be in the minority but I want PB to stay, I think we have seen enough that with his own players coming in and getting rid of the deadwood then we could be a much better team next season.

Unfortunately I think PB is treating this as a temporary appointment and that a club in a higher division may well poach him away in the Summer so I hope Power acts quickly, certainly by the end of the season, end of May at the latest whether he makes him an offer he can't refuse to stay or not.

If PB does leave I don't know what way we should go, a Luggy type manager (basically as PB is) with lower league experience or go with an up and coming new manager and take more of a risk, as Crawley have done with Kewell, or do we appoint from within with Taylor?

If Taylor is appointed will he keep the players around him he has already got and try and make it work? because I don't think it will, he will need a clean slate, get rid of some players who may be mates of his which could be difficult, I don't know how ruthless he could be as a manager.

I still hope that PB does stay as I think his style could suit this league if he gets in his own players, so its down to if Power trusts PB and PB trusts Power.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 07:47:56
So basically he always does except when he doesn't. Great point

Plus, our last non-caretaker internal appointment was Iffy, wasn't it?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 07:58:48
Ling was not an internal appointment.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 09:00:13
Have to think short term now. If the managers shit he'll get sacked, if he's any good he'll more than likely fuck off... So someone that can get us up, for me, would be more ideal.

I wouldn't mind Brown. Bar Newport, it's been much better to watch and so far he's been refreshingly honest in his interviews. 1 win in 7 doesn't look good but in all honesty, we've missed some sitters in some of those games and should've really won another 3 or 4 of them. If it isn't Brown I won't be upset either and if I had to choose someone I'd go for someone like Garrard at Borehamwood who's doing a great job with limited resources.

Problem is every appointment is a risk. What do the Town fans want? They didn't like the football under Cooper / Williams... They didn't like it under Flitcroft... So who knows. I guess all we want is a manager who wins all the time!


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 09:03:19
 I'm not going to think about, until we know about PB.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 09:08:10
Ling was not an internal appointment.
So basically he always does except when he doesn't. Great point
Also, Flitcroft wasn’t an internal appointment.
So, with the exception of our current manager, David Flitcroft and Martin Ling, Power always promotes from within.
Which leaves Williams, and I cant remember if Cooper was Jed or Power, if it’s it’s Jed it means Power has promoted internally once.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 09:08:17
Ling was not an internal appointment.

Nor Flitcroft


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 09:16:49
What do the Town fans want? They didn't like the football under Cooper / Williams... They didn't like it under Flitcroft... So who knows. I guess all we want is a manager who wins all the time!
I think you answered your own question, Swindon fans don't really like football.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 09:33:10
Nor Flitcroft

Nor Brown.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 09:35:13
Problem is every appointment is a risk. What do the Town fans want? They didn't like the football under Cooper / Williams... They didn't like it under Flitcroft... So who knows. I guess all we want is a manager who wins all the time!
and Di Canio did that and wasn't liked by some. Macari did it and a lot didn't like his direct football including good old Norman John Trollope. 


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 09:46:44
Damnit, forgot Williams was coach and alleged thorn in Coopers side before he became manager. Brain blocking it out...



Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 09:51:20
Have to think short term now. If the managers shit he'll get sacked, if he's any good he'll more than likely fuck off... So someone that can get us up, for me, would be more ideal.
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Same as it ever was really.

Anyone who gets us up is all we want for next season, and worry about the season after if it happens! But its not obvious who that someone is.

To be honest, the prospect of squad building over more than 1-2 seasons seem somewhat over. It seems normal that players and managers come and go, and with the loan market propping up the squad its all so hit and miss these days. In general anyway.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 09:57:33
Some team will take a punt on Garrard at some point, it’s inevitable, i’d prefer if it was us.

Nothing to do with him being an ex players of ours, purely because he done a very good job in the conference


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 10:06:02
John Gregory has just won a title in India.  He'd be my choice.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 10:11:07
Problem is every appointment is a risk. What do the Town fans want? They didn't like the football under Cooper / Williams... They didn't like it under Flitcroft... So who knows. I guess all we want is a manager who wins all the time!

The risk for us, is looking at Chesterfield, and what can happen when you get it wrong.  As I've said before, in recent years there's been a bit of an umbilical cord between us.  Beat us in JPT, in PO's with us last time and came down with us last year.

It looks like their woes spring from the owner bailing out, Black style in Nov 2016.  This fella not popular at former club Sheff Wed, due to treatment  of Surrock and JPM, had overseen the new ground, and associated community facilities.

Their recentish gaffer sequence was Paul Cook who has shown to be a decent operator, then a mistake Dean Saunders, who whilst a thoroughly nice bloke, isn't much cop as a boss.  Next our old mate Danny Wilson, who we know can go either way, and in this case the wrong way... then the real disaster Gary Caldwell. 

Rewind the spool, and he'd be the sort of thing who'd look a good fit for us.  Played at a decent level, international, a no nonsense Sweatie who'd got Wigan out of Div 3... remember how his side trampled all over Luke's lot. OK the Championship proved a step too far but it's a big step for most these days apart from Millwall  :(

Then the classic mistake, compound it with a popular ex player with little experience. Lester.   Spireites have a trip to Exeter tonight, I hope they win, but fear for them.

What we need is some stability...


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 10:57:12
Some team will take a punt on Garrard at some point, it’s inevitable, i’d prefer if it was us.

Nothing to do with him being an ex players of ours, purely because he done a very good job in the conference
Rather than just going by positions in the National League, he has managed them to an 11th finish and now sit in 4th place, I would prefer to know his style of management rather than going on purely positions.

I heard that Lincoln played good football under Danny Cowley and they ran away with the National League championship last season and doing well this term.

But watching them is dull as dishwater, they kick opponents, the dive and fall about, they are dirty and their only form of attack is hoofing the ball into the opponents box hoping for one of their 7 6 foot 2+ players to head the ball goalwards. They rely entirely upon corners, throw ins and free kickc for goals and the football on show is really poor.

Yes it gets results but so did Fliflop with a much better style(albeit infrequently), at least under Flipflop we passed the ball at times before we hoofed it into the box.

I think style of play has a lot to do with keeping fans happy, not too many fans would be happy if we won the league playing that way ala John Beck in the 90s with Cambridge, they won a lot of matches but even their own fans were fed up with that style of play, chanting "we want football" when Swindon went there under Hoddle and played them off the park.

I would prefer to do some due dilligence with the next manager and not just pick a manager who gets results at the expense of any form of entertainment.

Thats not saying Garrard plays that way, I genuinely don't know his style, but few good footballing sides come out of that division.



Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 11:06:54
I think style of play is a pretty divisive issue.

Personally would have been happy to play the Flitcroft way and win the league. I don't necessarily think the two are compatible mind. Winning, and a general feeling of a going somewhere are more important to me than style.

Truth be told, Spain/Barcelona at their best to me was long periods of the mixed in with periods of utter brilliance.

I can't be the only one, can i?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 11:10:58
I can't be the only one, can i?

Nope

Given a choice I’ll take winning over style


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 11:14:57

 PV
 Not sure where you heard Lincoln played "good" football.  Good football when you've been on a slide like the Red Imps is winning football. Lincoln fall to the Conference was on the back of appointing Chris Sutton, a decent enough player but completely clueless about lower league football. Then what seemed a decent appointment Steve Tlilson like Brown ex Sarfend with a good record.... he finished the job, too many draws.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 11:18:10
I think you answered your own question, Swindon fans don't really like football.

Actually it appears like Swindon fans don’t like Swindon :)


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 11:34:16
PV
 Not sure where you heard Lincoln played "good" football.  Good football when you've been on a slide like the Red Imps is winning football. Lincoln fall to the Conference was on the back of appointing Chris Sutton, a decent enough player but completely clueless about lower league football. Then what seemed a decent appointment Steve Tlilson like Brown ex Sarfend with a good record.... he finished the job, too many draws.
I had heard it from several Lincoln fans TBH, a couple saying its the best football they had seen in 20+ years of watching the Imps. I had heard a few others comment on them being a decent footballing side but I had not seen them myself until the 2 games this season.

Actually it appears like Swindon fans don’t like Swindon :)
True :)


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 11:34:22
Nope

Given a choice I’ll take winning over style

It'll be interesting to see the gate on Saturday... every chance it will be the lowest ever for a game v Grimsby at the CG.

However a prime contender for that dishonour is the 5759,  who turned up in our Championship promotion to Prem under Hoddle season.  I think the feeling was that we played a bit too much football, which didn't get too many wins.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 12:05:30
That was a season of two halves in terms of attendances, they were low for a good few games and then started hitting 10k plus after Christmas time ish (without checking the font of all knowledge).  The last few boosted further by the offer of priority on play off final tickets, which was a bit presumptious but effective enough that I bought two tickets for the West Ham game (I accidentally used the first one at the Leicester game).


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 12:18:28
That was a season of two halves in terms of attendances, they were low for a good few games and then started hitting 10k plus after Christmas time ish (without checking the font of all knowledge).  The last few boosted further by the offer of priority on play off final tickets, which was a bit presumptious but effective enough that I bought two tickets for the West Ham game (I accidentally used the first one at the Leicester game).

Essentially we started winning fairly regularly, so people come to watch.  Previously the prospect of just watching Hoddle and Mickey Hazard, 2 of England's finest players of the era, insufficient.

That year we won 21 games, this so far 19, it's probably why gates had stood up reasonably well this season.  Had Flitters remained and we carried on the winning home form, with a promotion push a prospect we could have seeen some tidy gates. Now we've stalled and had 1 win in 8 since his departure gates will reflect that.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 14:09:37
It'll be interesting to see the gate on Saturday... every chance it will be the lowest ever for a game v Grimsby at the CG.

However a prime contender for that dishonour is the 5759,  who turned up in our Championship promotion to Prem under Hoddle season.  I think the feeling was that we played a bit too much football, which didn't get too many wins.

Even with the fantastic offer of tickets reduced to £19.93?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 14:12:56
Even with the fantastic offer of tickets reduced to £19.93?

Is this some sort of 25 years of PO thing?   I know there's a dinner, I declined an invite.... no going back.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 14:27:51
I think I paid something like 8 quid for the Grimsby game that season.  Not sure inflation covers the price increase since, especially as the product itself has decline a little in the meantime.  If we get the same attendance I guess it supports the fact that price has nearly nothing to do with attendance unless drastic.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 14:49:12
Is this some sort of 25 years of PO thing?   I know there's a dinner, I declined an invite.... no going back.

Yeah that's exactly it.

I think I paid something like 8 quid for the Grimsby game that season.  Not sure inflation covers the price increase since, especially as the product itself has decline a little in the meantime.  If we get the same attendance I guess it supports the fact that price has nearly nothing to do with attendance unless drastic.

I think the club missed a bit of a trick with doing a 25 year offer. I personally think they should have reduced tickets to 1993 prices (thanks for confirming what they are) which surely would have got way more bums on seats than a frankly feeble £3.07 price offer which isn't going to do anything for crowd numbers.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 14:53:12
Yeah that's exactly it.

I think the club missed a bit of a trick with doing a 25 year offer. I personally think they should have reduced tickets to 1993 prices (thanks for confirming what they are) which surely would have got way more bums on seats than a frankly feeble £3.07 price offer which isn't going to do anything for crowd numbers.

I'm surprised they didn't say 25 years let's call it £25 a ticket...


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 15:00:02
I'm surprised they didn't say 25 years let's call it £25 a ticket...


 :clap:


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 15:02:34
I'm surprised they didn't say 25 years let's call it £25 a ticket...

.... and sign Frank McAvennie as a non contract player just for this game.  :)


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 15:18:30
.... and sign Frank McAvennie as a non contract player just for this game.  :)

That would have the crowd snorting with laughter.


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 15:24:09
Could we get Shaun Close to play upfront for the game?


Title: Re: New Manager
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 16:27:06
I saw Shaun Close score after less than a minute to put us 1 up at the Manor Ground in 1992.  We then went on to lose 5-3.  He was God for about 3 minutes.