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Title: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 17:40:25
I know it's not official yet, but it seems as though Flitcroft is offski.

I'll go with Taylor as player-manager. I'd quite like an appointment like that regardless of circumstances.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 17:49:48
+1


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 17:50:18
Alan Mac, with Peacks and Taylor as assistants.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 17:50:29
Fenlon DOF: Someone underneath.

Big decision to be made here. Make or break stuff.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 17:54:46
Fenlon and Taylor in as temporary managers, I would prefer someone better though TBH like Warburton or Rosler.

But then again last time I wanted Jimmy Floyd-Hasslehoff and hes done shit at Northampton.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 17:56:51
The assumption seems to be Futcher is off with him then? Forgot about him myself to be honest.
Who is Fenlon? Am I missing something.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 17:58:04
The assumption seems to be Futcher is off with him then? Forgot about him myself to be honest.
Who is Fenlon? Am I missing something.
Ex Waterford DoF left them last week to pursue things abroad with Mr Power.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 17:58:50
The assumption seems to be Futcher is off with him then?

I think it's a fair assumption to make.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 17:59:54
Luke Garrard.

Done an incredible job in the conference


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:01:28
Rosler would be ace and somewhat realistic.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:02:55
If Power takes as long as he did in appointing him the season will be over.

Could do with Saturday being called off. This has all happened so fast all 3 parties involved must have had prior knowledge.

Taxi for Flitcroft and his norvern monkeys. Jog on, you cunt.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:05:05
Actually scrap that, I want Sherwood purely for the reaction to it


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:08:48
If everyone is in the practice of manager poaching at the moment, while I'd quite like Rosler....maybe we could pinch Danny Cowley from Lincoln?   :hmmm:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:10:44
Wenger is having a hard time at the Arse


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:11:36
If everyone is in the practice of manager poaching at the moment, while I'd quite like Rosler....maybe we could pinch Danny Cowley from Lincoln?   :hmmm:
A few things....1. No. 2. His side played awful dirty hoofball against us. 3. He turned down Barnsley a couple of weeks ago. 4. Hes about to lead out his team at Wembley.

I don't think that will happen mate!



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:16:17
The only downside is the timing.  I'd look a league or two below for a rising star.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:19:50
Actually, I'll go back to one I threw out with little knowledge, Challinor.  No idea on his actual ability as money has helped, but he'd have a decent budget for this level anyway.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:23:06
Budgets mean nothing at the moment. Evans, Flitcroft and whoever takes over at the CG will have to work with what they’ve got.

All 3 clubs just want someone to get them over the line.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:24:12
Surely just Alan Mac to see out the season. No point rushing some shit appointment now is there. Surely guaranteed to be swindon v Mansfield in the playoffs now.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:26:05
The way I see it is he probably doesn’t have a contract for next season, knows he’s fucked this season up especially with the injuries now so is going before he’s jobless in summer.
We are in the play-offs despite his intervention not because of it so don’t think he’ll be missed whoever takes over. May have players picked on merit now rather than those that massage his ego I’m pretty happy not going to lie as he increasingly came across as a complete cunt.

It’ll probs be someone like Taylor with that Fenlon DoF or something.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:28:42
How has Alan Mac had the youths playing?  I liked him as a player, not so much as a person but I don't have to be his friend.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:32:23
A few things....1. No. 2. His side played awful dirty hoofball against us. 3. He turned down Barnsley a couple of weeks ago. 4. Hes about to lead out his team at Wembley.

I don't think that will happen mate!



Fair enough JJ, Cowley just came to me as I was thinking these things usually have a domino effect. Would love Rosler though because that could easily be a "long term" manager. Power is prepared to put his hand in his pocket when it matters so I wouldn't write that kind of appointment off. But yeah, we'll put Cowley in the "Not the right fit" bin :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:35:25
The assumption seems to be Futcher is off with him then? Forgot about him myself to be honest.
Who is Fenlon? Am I missing something.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/soccer-news/pat-fenlon-step-down-waterfords-12073115

https://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/fenlon-steps-down-from-waterford-position-36634926.html


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:38:11
How has Alan Mac had the youths playing? 
Pretty well by all accounts until they got done 2-0 by FGR yesterday. He wasn't happy in today's Adver


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:39:13
So Power had a word at Posh, said call-up Evans, he's likely to move to you based on what I heard when I spoke to him in the summer.  That way I can bring in Fenlon and then Flitcroft will see the Mansfield job as more appealing, freeing up the full move of Fenlon without having to pay any compo and maybe even getting a little bit of change.

I like it.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:40:05
we'll put Cowley in the "Not the right fit" bin :)
On paper and results wise he looks perfect but the Wembley effect and winning the Conference last season along with Lincoln having their highest average attendances in many many many years would put him out of our reach anyway.

I now wait to hear what Mr Power says about it all, I hope Flitcroft is replaced quickly even if its Taylor until the season end.

Taylor has always came accross as an eloquent and fairly intelligent player with bags of experience, we could do worse.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:44:07
https://www.mansfieldtown.net/news/2018/february/stags-set-to-unveil-new-manager/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43232695


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:48:14
The Mansfield fans are creaming in their miners helmets over Flitcrofts appointment, citing we play some great passing football.

Lets see how long they think that.

Yes under Flitcroft we probably played 50% good football, passing with speed and power and 50% has been some of the most God awful football I have ever witnessed at Swindon including Onoura and Harts spells.

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His sides have always played attacking football whenever we've played them. We have a far stronger squad than Swindon and better individual players. I reckon he will do a cracking job.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:52:52
The Mansfield fans are creaming in their miners helmets over Flitcrofts appointment, citing we play some great passing football.

Lets see how long they think that.

Yes under Flitcroft we probably played 50% good football, passing with speed and power and 50% has been some of the most God awful football I have ever witnessed at Swindon including Onoura and Harts spells.


I always got the impression the good football was by accident and he’d change things to stop it happening for long periods.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:53:29
With 11 games left, I'd keep it in house until the end of the season.
Taylor (if he wants it) with maybe Alan Mac & Peacock helping out would be ok.

The well oiled machine that is the club should have a management succession plan in place.  ::)

Rosler with his tight shirts is subject to an irrational dislike from his Brentford days.

A few sunbed tokens might be enough to persuade Phil Brown that glory awaits.




Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: since 75 on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:54:11
Craig Bellamy anyone?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:55:04
The Mansfield fans are creaming in their miners helmets over Flitcrofts appointment, citing we play some great passing football.

Lets see how long they think that.

Yes under Flitcroft we probably played 50% good football, passing with speed and power and 50% has been some of the most God awful football I have ever witnessed at Swindon including Onoura and Harts spells.

tbf, the quote you gave said attacking football rather than passing football which I think is true. I do worry how this affects the squad, esp the likes of Banks and Richards. Probably have a positive effect on Woolery, mind.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:56:16
I agree (on the passing football being by accident to a degree)- not accident completely, more by virtue of the individuals he had picked.  To be fair to him, he recruited them, so maybe some design in there, but certainly never looks like something they work on, whereas the lump it forward does.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:56:53
If it’s anyone but Fenlon I’ll be surprised. Would rather him than Alan Mac and Taylor.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: joteddyred on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 18:59:57
Bit of a bolt from the blue.  Can’t say I’m sorry to see him go, but the timing leaves a bit to be desired.  Clearly shows that he didn’t ever really have any interest in Swindon.  Wanker.
Interesting to see what Power’s next move is.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 19:07:07
If it’s anyone but Fenton I’ll be surprised. Would rather him than Alan Mac and Taylor.

Having just had to read up on him, I'd give him a go.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: tans on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 19:08:55
Whats Fenlon’s history?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 19:09:11
Bit of a bolt from the blue.  Can’t say I’m sorry to see him go, but the timing leaves a bit to be desired.  Clearly shows that he didn’t ever really have any interest in Swindon.  Wanker.
Interesting to see what Power’s next move is.

Why is he a wanker? Initial suggestions make it seem like we we’re more than happy to see him a go? The fan base want him gone, and when we let him go (encourage even?) he’s unloyal and a wanker? Don’t get it at all. If we didn’t want him gone, we’d have said no.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 19:10:17
Won the League of Ireland with a couple of teams.  Got a team into the UEFA Cup 3rd Qualifying round, which was the first one to reach that stage.  Got Waterford promoted as DoF last season and had an average spell at Hibs, getting them into the Cup Final twice.  After he left they got relegated.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 19:12:33
(https://i.imgur.com/z3TQf0R.jpg)

Not bad. Not bad at all. I've no idea what the standard is like there, though.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: SleafordRobin on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 19:13:41
Vigs has barely unpacked, wonder if he'll be back for Yeovil?


Title: Re: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Benzel on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 19:15:01
(https://i.imgur.com/z3TQf0R.jpg)

Not bad. Not bad at all. I've no idea what the standard is like there, though.
They'll tell you it's no worse than L2

Sent from my SM-G930F


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 19:23:52
If it’s anyone but Fenlon I’ll be surprised. Would rather him than Alan Mac and Taylor.

Ditto, even in the short term until the end of the season.

Hey ho, here we go again.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 19:28:28
Taylor floats my boat more.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 19:29:22
My moneys on peacock


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: joteddyred on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 19:32:48
Why is he a wanker? Initial suggestions make it seem like we we’re more than happy to see him a go? The fan base want him gone, and when we let him go (encourage even?) he’s unloyal and a wanker? Don’t get it at all. If we didn’t want him gone, we’d have said no.
Not sure what you mean by initial suggestions, do you mean from the club? and why is me calling him a wanker any different to someone else calling him a cunt earlier in the thread?  
I’m not remotely bothered he’s gone.  It’s a shame he didn’t go earlier to be honest.  If he had, we might well be sitting higher in the league than we currently are.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 19:33:48
Why is he a wanker? Initial suggestions make it seem like we we’re more than happy to see him a go? The fan base want him gone, and when we let him go (encourage even?) he’s unloyal and a wanker? Don’t get it at all. If we didn’t want him gone, we’d have said no.

It would not surprise me at all if Power had facilitated the change, even if by not committing to next season.  Fair enough in that circumstance for Flitcroft to prolong his career.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 19:38:37
It would not surprise me at all if Power had facilitated the change, even if by not committing to next season.  Fair enough in that circumstance for Flitcroft to prolong his career.
I think Mansfield offering him a long term contract was the tipping point with Power only saying he was guaranteed a job until the end of the season.

That and obviouly closer to his home too.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 19:39:51
Presumably they have to bring us a few quid for him as hrs under contract.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 19:40:25
If were going into the realms of conspiracy I wouldn’t be too shocked if some/all of Mansfield’s motivation for wantig Flitcroft was to get back at us for our approaches of Evans in the summer


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 19:47:30
Presumably they have to bring us a few quid for him as hrs under contract.
IIRC he was only signed on a 1 year rolling contract in June, so I doubt we even got much compo from them.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 20:09:32
Fantastic news! Take your microwave David and f-off!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 20:23:03
First list. Christ, there’s some dross in there

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/swindon/next-permanent-manager


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 20:25:06
Strange one all round. Odd timing, odd choice for him to go although I can see why if it gives him more security. Might not be the worst thing for us either, although obviously it depends who comes in.

Wouldn't mind seeing someone step up like Matty Taylor or Peacock, but a few interesting names out of work.

Could always go for Sol Campbell though, one of the greatest minds in football... according to Sol Campbell anyway. At least he'd give Tom Smith a go.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: StfcRusty on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 20:53:45
First list. Christ, there’s some dross in there

https://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/swindon/next-permanent-manager

Craig Bellamy?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 20:57:30
Alan Mac or john sitton are my preferences.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: tans on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 21:35:14
Vigs is happy about it anyway


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 21:51:39
I’m struggling to find any negatives in this news. There is a long list of positives.

Clearly we need the right replacement, but the bar has been set low.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 22:04:26
I’m struggling to find any negatives in this news.

A lot of the players are "his" men. Could cause a few to mope around.

I guess it depends on the circumstances of his departure - they a professionals, I don't think it'll happen.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 22:07:09
A lot of the players are "his" men. Could cause a few to mope around.

I guess it depends on the circumstances of his departure - they a professionals, I don't think it'll happen.
I'm not unhappy he's gone but the timing's fucking terrible, just after he's brought a few in who tbf improved the team and just as we start the run-in. It could un-mope a few as well though


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Sir Cliff Pipehard on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 23:23:05

Good fucking riddance

Next....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Wednesday, February 28, 2018, 23:35:26
A lot of the players are "his" men. Could cause a few to mope around.

I guess it depends on the circumstances of his departure - they a professionals, I don't think it'll happen.

any player moping whilst sitting in the playoffs can do one. a league 2 promotion would look good on any of our players CVs baring Taylor who has achieved higher


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: china red on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 05:52:59
Really not bothered by Flitcroft going, he seemed to really have something against the south.  Bit of a twat really

Surely it’ll be Pat Fenlon until the end of the season, an easy appointment as working for Power on his international projects.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: normy on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 07:54:37
I feel that Flitcroft has not been given enough credit by the fans, and I don't blame him for improving his future with a longer contact with Mansfield.

Considering that he constructed a new team, had lots of injuries to contend with,  had to overcome the bad atmosphere, and players not fighting for the shirt last season, he has done very well to get us in the playoffs with 11 games to go.

Every team plays mostly hoofball in this League and we've played some good football as well.  Injuries to some of our defenders has had a big impact. I've enjoyed watching games this year much better than last, and I had fears that we might be relegated again. I'm sorry Flitcroft's going at this time, although I might be in a minority of one on here.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 07:54:43
Michael Carrick out of contract end of season. How about giving him a player / manager role in the summer. After playing for us as a 17 year old he's probably been pining for us since and praying we'll come in for him


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pax Romana on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 08:17:15
Flitcroft's desertion is a disgrace. 

Why couldn't he show us the same loyalty and commitment we've always shown him?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 08:18:02
Is it actually confirmed he's leaving or are we just based it on the adver?!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pax Romana on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 08:20:53
I’m struggling to find any negatives in this news. There is a long list of positives.

Clearly we need the right replacement, but the bar has been set low.

Notwithstanding the 'mope' factor which has been mentioned, I think this is spot on.  Especially the opportunity for a truce with Vigs.  If he could be motivated to put his heart into the last few games and then move on over summer to somewhere where he'd be happier then win/win


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 08:33:54
Is it actually confirmed he's leaving or are we just based it on the adver?!

Bbc wilts


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BruceChatwin on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 08:35:00
I feel that Flitcroft has not been given enough credit by the fans, and I don't blame him for improving his future with a longer contact with Mansfield.

Considering that he constructed a new team, had lots of injuries to contend with,  had to overcome the bad atmosphere, and players not fighting for the shirt last season, he has done very well to get us in the playoffs with 11 games to go.

Every team plays mostly hoofball in this League and we've played some good football as well.  Injuries to some of our defenders has had a big impact. I've enjoyed watching games this year much better than last, and I had fears that we might be relegated again. I'm sorry Flitcroft's going at this time, although I might be in a minority of one on here.

I'll make it a minority of two. Think we'll be worse off without him, in the short term anyway.

Will make a playoff final v Mansfield interesting though.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 09:18:55
Quote from: Pax Romana
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I’m struggling to find any negatives in this news. There is a long list of positives.

Clearly we need the right replacement, but the bar has been set low.
Notwithstanding the 'mope' factor which has been mentioned, I think this is spot on.  Especially the opportunity for a truce with Vigs.  If he could be motivated to put his heart into the last few games and then move on over summer to somewhere where he'd be happier then win/win

put his heart to playing at Waterford? I'm sure he was doing that anyway to get a move away from Flitcroft.

it's not clear if we can recall him if that's what you mean


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 09:25:46
I feel that Flitcroft has not been given enough credit by the fans, and I don't blame him for improving his future with a longer contact with Mansfield.

Considering that he constructed a new team, had lots of injuries to contend with,  had to overcome the bad atmosphere, and players not fighting for the shirt last season, he has done very well to get us in the playoffs with 11 games to go.

Every team plays mostly hoofball in this League and we've played some good football as well.  Injuries to some of our defenders has had a big impact. I've enjoyed watching games this year much better than last, and I had fears that we might be relegated again. I'm sorry Flitcroft's going at this time, although I might be in a minority of one on here.

Don’t buy the “overcoming last year” argument. There were none of them left apart from some of the better ones - and he had a clean slate. A manager’s dream!

He was quite simply full of hot air. I’m staggered that he could do a team talk in 15mins at half time, because if there was a way of turning 1 sentence into 5, he’d find a way. He’s a massive fan of his own supposed intelligence, but has an inability to construct a coherent sentence.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 09:31:52
He’s a massive fan of his own supposed intelligence, but has an inability to construct a coherent sentence.
He's Northern so it comes with the territory


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 09:33:18
That's probably derailed our promotion bid. For whatever reason you may dislike him, we were still top 7 and in with a good chance of promotion. My concern is that there is ALWAYS worse out there. I wasn't a big fan of the football but I thought he wasn't doing a bad job. I'm not sad to see him go, just pissed off at the timing and now obviously Flitcroft has to go down in the cunt category for being a snake, regardless of reason. Having said that, the abuse he got from fans was completely unwarranted and unfair, so part of me doesn't really blame him.

Mansfield fans seem happy, I feel they will be bitterly disappointed. We need to make a smart appointment, no youth team nonsense, no current players, get an experienced boss in who has previous in getting teams up. If we don't, we wont go up.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 09:41:10
I'm not unhappy he's gone but the timing's fucking terrible, just after he's brought a few in who tbf improved the team and just as we start the run-in. It could un-mope a few as well though
Yes its the timing of this that is really shit, I have a feeling he spoke to Power about targets and Power said he wouldn't back him up with funds.

That may have forced his hand as he can see our current squad is not good enough to get into the autos and probably not strong enough to make it through the play offs.

Also if he is on a short term contract and Power wouldn't give him 3 years then it makes a lot of sense for Flitcroft to go, and the timing of this shows he did not give a shit about the club or he would have stayed and got us to the end of the season, he probably thinks Mansfield have a stronger squad than us and in a better position for going up.

He's Northern so it comes with the territory
Mocking of Southerners for being soft etc etc does seem something ingrained in Northerners from a very young age.

A bit pathetic really.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 09:41:33
It might enhance our promotion bid. Only time will tell.

It's not uncommon for new managers to have a 'honeymoon' period when there's a lift after their appointment. That alone could strengthen us.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 09:43:38
This season has seen some of the worst performances ever by an STFC team - aided by inept tactics, subs (or lack thereof) and players being played out of position. He obviously holds grudges against certain players.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 09:46:23
It's not uncommon for new managers to have a 'honeymoon' period

Its almost perfect, the honeymoon period apparently gets negated games 12-18....glorious playoff failure it is then..


https://www.pinnacle.com/en/betting-articles/Soccer/the-myth-of-the-new-manager-effect/BAZ2FQLS2QCBJ795


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 09:47:45
That's probably derailed our promotion bid. For whatever reason you may dislike him, we were still top 7 and in with a good chance of promotion. My concern is that there is ALWAYS worse out there. I wasn't a big fan of the football but I thought he wasn't doing a bad job. I'm not sad to see him go, just pissed off at the timing and now obviously Flitcroft has to go down in the cunt category for being a snake, regardless of reason. Having said that, the abuse he got from fans was completely unwarranted and unfair, so part of me doesn't really blame him.

Mansfield fans seem happy, I feel they will be bitterly disappointed. We need to make a smart appointment, no youth team nonsense, no current players, get an experienced boss in who has previous in getting teams up. If we don't, we wont go up.

^^^^ This


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 09:55:45
My concern is that there is ALWAYS worse out there. I wasn't a big fan of the football but I thought he wasn't doing a bad job.
There is always worse out there but there is often much much better too.

His use of subs, his public fall outs with players, his inability to pick players in the right positions when often better options "appear" to be there,  sticking with under performing players and his reluctance early doors to change from hoofball which was not working to a more attacking on the deck game cost us games.

This season has seen some of the worst performances ever by an STFC team - aided by inept tactics, subs (or lack thereof) and players being played out of position. He obviously holds grudges against certain players.
I agree that under Flitcroft we have suffered from some of the worst performances I have ever seen at Swindon in 45 years, even Harts teams and Beamish's side showed more effort and skill, it was the inconsistancy that bugged me more than anything.

One week we looked like we would walk the league and the next week we can barely string 3 passes to completion and with zero shots on target in 90 mins, I have never seen such an inconsistant side ever.

It might enhance our promotion bid. Only time will tell.

It's not uncommon for new managers to have a 'honeymoon' period when there's a lift after their appointment. That alone could strengthen us.
This is also true, if we can get a new man in and get that "honeymoon" period where we get some good results that would be a great scenario.

These sort of reactions happen often when a manager has alienated some players who then feel they are "let off the leash" and start performing again.

Its going to be an interesting couple of weeks.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 09:56:35

Also if he is on a short term contract and Power wouldn't give him 3 years then it makes a lot of sense for Flitcroft to go, and the timing of this shows he did not give a shit about the club or he would have stayed and got us to the end of the season, he probably thinks Mansfield have a stronger squad than us and in a better position for going up.


Not picking on this post specifically however in light of many of the 'disloyal' and not caruing for the club posts....

Hypothetical example...

You are from Swindon but for work purposes have taken a job 2-3 hours from where your roots are, that job is on a short term contract, you have a pretty good idea that even if you succeed you will be sacked in the next few months and most of the people you deal with think you are a wanker!

You get offered a job much nearer your roots, on a long term contract with possibly greater (in your eyes at least) chance of advancement in your career...

Its not fucking rocket science!

As a southerner living in the north, most northerners don't give a shit either way about people from the south, they hate people from Yorkshire much more in the NW, as for the soft southerners shite, to be fair you need to speak to your fellow southerners and suggest they stop being so fucking stereotypical when they have a bit of snow then!  ;)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:05:41
Its almost perfect, the honeymoon period apparently gets negated games 12-18....glorious playoff failure it is then..


https://www.pinnacle.com/en/betting-articles/Soccer/the-myth-of-the-new-manager-effect/BAZ2FQLS2QCBJ795

A 12-18 game honeymoon period would be perfect. We can worry about the bit that comes after if/when it happens.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RedRag on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:07:04
New manager effect is after a shocking run and a sacking usually.  This is disruptive.  

Flitcroft knew League 2, he brought in some decent players, instilled a certain team spirit and achieved a league position in line with his budget.  His disregard for the fans has been growing, the football has been stratospheric (literally), he has fallen out with or failed to use talented players like Vigs, Woolery and even Goddard and his prolonged loyalty to RCC (lovely guy) through a prolonged crisis of confidence has cost us points.  I could go on.

If Power can sort Fenlon, then he can sort Vigs regardless of Contract terms.  I think some distance as a manager is required, so to be competing for a first team spot one minute and then to be manager the next may not sit well and nor would being best mates with the squad either.  For that reason, Taylor could make a great no. 2.

Fenlon is surely likely but he has no experience of League 2, its teams or players.  I wonder if a steal like Rosler could be made to be interested.  He gets a promotion on his cv - or a ready made excuse if not - and can stay or better hilself at season end.  Not many vacancies come up at this stage do they?





Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:07:19
no it's an 11 game honeymoon period, then things fall apart 12-18 :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:08:28
no it's an 11 game honeymoon period, then things fall apart 12-18 :)

That's fine as well. We can sack him after 10 games or so next season after he gets us promoted this season.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:08:45
Its not fucking rocket science!
Exactly this, as was my post pointing out this pretty similarly above, it was a matter of time not a matter of if he went, I just question his timing, he must be REALLY pissed off with Power to inflict this on the club.

Quote
As a southerner living in the north, most northerners don't give a shit either way about people from the south, they hate people from Yorkshire much more in the NW, as for the soft southerners shite, to be fair you need to speak to your fellow southerners and suggest they stop being so fucking stereotypical when they have a bit of snow then!  ;)
I agree totally on the snow thing, but this does tend to be much more London and its 'Burbs as most country folk like these here in Somerset, Dorset, Devon, Wilts etc are pretty hardly folk who are quite used to not being mollycodled when a few inches of snow appears.

I must admit the worst I have found for the North/South divide has been the Yorkshiremen, but again most of them seem to be Yorkshire vs the rest of the world mentality.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:10:18
Quote from: Flashheart
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no it's an 11 game honeymoon period, then things fall apart 12-18 :)
That's fine as well. We can sack him after 10 games or so next season after he gets us promoted this season.


ha ha, that's optimistic.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:12:04
no it's an 11 game honeymoon period, then things fall apart 12-18 :)
Delay his appointment for a few games...simples :)

Actually I would think that Saturday game with Yeovil will definately be under threat of the weather so that could buy us a bit more time appointing the right man.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:17:21
Pat Fenlon 1/3 with bookies


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:19:11
Looking forward to the bitter, back-handed comments from Flitcroft in his Mansfield press conference. Prediction:

Bigger club
Issues with Swindon fans
Want to focus on getting Mansfield up
Great set up here
Club on the up
Wouldn’t give me another contract
Dinner plates were too small
Any other cliches he used for us a few months ago!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:20:23
Pat Fenlon 1/3 with bookies
I think its fairly obvious he will have a role to play until at least the end of the season, whether as DoF overseeing a more inexperienced manager/head coach or as the main man.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:21:52
Looking forward to the bitter, back-handed comments from Flitcroft in his Mansfield press conference. Prediction:

Bigger club
Issues with Swindon fans
Want to focus on getting Mansfield up
Great set up here
Club on the up
Any other cliches he used for us a few months ago!
Took Swindon as far as he could with his hands tied by the owner, closer to his roots, Evans big shoes to fill etc etc


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:28:15
"Microwaves"


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: StfcRusty on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:30:23
We lost both games under Ward/Miller after Paolo resigned and there were probably many of the squad glad to see the back of him. And then KMac’s results were pretty patchy too.
Whoever we appoint, I hope it’s someone who gets the supporter base excited/enthusiastic rather than one of the hasbeens from the management merry go round.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: hobodan on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:32:15
Unrealistic appointment - I’d like Daryl Clarke (Bristol Rovers) but they are a league above and have new mega rich owners.
Realistically - Uwe Rosler. Free agent, did a stellar job at Brentford, oozes authority.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:43:07
Wouldn't it be good to have a statement from stfc before hes confirmed at mansfield


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:45:06
Thinking about it, I'd go for something super short term, proven at getting over the line. Just get the job done and reevaluate in the summer with a long-term option like Luke Garrard.

I don't know who that person is though.

Now is not the time for a long-term, high-profile first jobber.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:46:04
Wouldn't it be good to have a statement from stfc before hes confirmed at mansfield

Would imagine we're unable to do that as part of the compensation package.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:47:40
I think its fairly obvious he will have a role to play until at least the end of the season, whether as DoF overseeing a more inexperienced manager/head coach or as the main man.
That being the case, I think we can see that this has been coming for a while. As Fenlon was talking about moving on from Waterford to take on an overseas project for Power a couple of weeks ago.

That being the case, he must have had time to think about it and prepare for it. Its not as if it was news to him, Flitcroft, Power et al 12 hours ago.

Bottom line is that 'it is what it is' and we have to get on with it. Many of the players will still be motivated as they are playing for contracts.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: HorlocksLegs on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:48:24
Mansfield press conference  -  https://www.facebook.com/pg/mansfieldtownfootballclub/videos/?ref=page_internal


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:48:32
This may have been asked, but do we get any money for this?



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:49:21
Confirmed by Mansfield. Futcher joins him.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:50:44
Bloody Hell! Flitcroft has gone!!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:54:01
Mansfield press conference  -  https://www.facebook.com/pg/mansfieldtownfootballclub/videos/?ref=page_internal
Thank god its finally confirmed.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:54:26
Would imagine we're unable to do that as part of the compensation package.

Of course they are - your allowed to announce manager has resigned


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:54:56
He's a cunt. Blatantly slagging off STFC Fans..,


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:56:56
Of course they are - your allowed to announce manager has resigned
He would not have resigned though


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:58:21
Of course they are - your allowed to announce manager has resigned

He didn't resign.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:58:29
He would not have resigned though
Yeah I doubt he resigned he was poached or at least boiled.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:58:58
The club's confirmed it, so people can stop whining about that now.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:59:22
He would not have resigned though
Left by mutual consent ?.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:59:33
Matt Taylor caretaker


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 10:59:57
The club's confirmed it, so people can stop whining about that now.

At 11 on the dot, as per the agreement with Mansfield (I'm guessing, but makes sense)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: tans on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:00:05
Statement says he resigned


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:01:28
He's a cunt. Blatantly slagging off STFC Fans..,

Indeed.

Shitty northern manager joins shitty northern club.

I now dream of beating them in the playoffs, Steve Evans in the crowd to support mansfield as well. It would be glorious!!!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:01:50
Matt Taylor caretaker
Confirmed ?.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:02:19
Some people were actually getting wound up about there not being a statement, even long before any such statement would even have been due.

I bet some of them are still wound up about it now. Imagine that some of those that were getting wound up at the thought of the club not releasing a statement are now annoyed at the club because they have released one.

*And it's just a fucking statement.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: woolster on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:03:12
Left by mutual consent ?.
yeah its called resigning


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:03:46
Taylor confirmed.

Happy with that, good luck Matty.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:05:33
yeah its called resigning
:D


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:05:39
Quote

Swindon Town Football Club can confirm that it has accepted the resignations of Manager Dave Flitcroft and his Assistant Ben Futcher.

We as a Football Club are extremley disappointed at the timing of this with the club currently lying in a Play-Off position, with an automatic promotion spot still a realistic goal.

Swindon Town can confirm that Matt Taylor has taken over first-team affairs on a temopary basis whilst we search for a permanent replacement to take the club forward.

We are committed to finding the right man to not only help the club achieve our short-term aim of promotion back to League One, but to also take the club forward with the club's long-term future in mind.

Swindon Town won't be making any further comment at this stage.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:06:57

Well, now we all know !.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:07:21
Unrealistic appointment - I’d like Daryl Clarke (Bristol Rovers) but they are a league above and have new mega rich owners.
They don't. They have owners who came in boasting of wealth they have subsequently proven unable or unwilling to spend on the club. A lot of talk, not a lot of cash seems to be the view from the Gasheads I know


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:09:25
Some people were actually getting wound up about there not being a statement, even long before any such statement would even have been due.

I bet some of them are still wound up about it now. Imagine that some of those that were getting wound up at the thought of the club not releasing a statement are now annoyed at the club because they have released one.

*And it's just a fucking statement.

A statement should be kept for Friday.... I don''t count this a statement. 


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:09:38
They don't. They have owners who came in boasting of wealth they have subsequently proven unable or unwilling to spend on the club. A lot of talk, not a lot of cash seems to be the view from the Gasheads I know
Indeed, I know a fair few Gasheads and they all say the same, promised lots, delivered nothing, won't invets in the team and only interested in ground development.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:11:04
A statement should be kept for Friday.... I don''t count this a statement. 
I'm with you Reg. Once we start abandoning our traditions, what do we have left as a club?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:12:25
I'm assuming the game on Sat will not go ahead with the current weather? Would give the club some time to find someone.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:14:07
The young pro's at the club trying to make their way in the game will be pleased Flitcroft's gone. Treated them badly and has abysmal man management. An arrogant arsehole of a man.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:14:45
I'm with you Reg. Once we start abandoning our traditions, what do we have left as a club?

We're losing our identity.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Honest Lee on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:20:21
We're losing our identity.

"we want our Swindon back"


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:21:23
The young pro's at the club trying to make their way in the game will be pleased Flitcroft's gone. Treated them badly and has abysmal man management. An arrogant arsehole of a man.

There aren't many nice guys in football management.....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:22:07
There aren't many nice guys in football management.....

Luke Williams is a nice guy.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:22:11
The young pro's at the club trying to make their way in the game will be pleased Flitcroft's gone. Treated them badly and has abysmal man management. An arrogant arsehole of a man.
Indeed, yet when Swindon fans on FB are saying these things then its called sour grapes or bullshit by Mansfield fans, all of Flitcrofts faults were warned us by Bury fans....and guess what....they were right.

I won't miss him, he did an adequate job but not too many Town fans will stick up for him fully.

He did some good, he got us a bit of stability but the bad far outweighed the good IMO.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: hobodan on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:23:23
They don't. They have owners who came in boasting of wealth they have subsequently proven unable or unwilling to spend on the club. A lot of talk, not a lot of cash seems to be the view from the Gasheads I know

He said in an interview his family are worth ‘Billions’. Maybe in Ugandan dollars sir?
Either way I’m sure he makes Power look like a pauper.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Ticker45 on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:28:06
I'm assuming the game on Sat will not go ahead with the current weather? Would give the club some time to find someone.

Tend to agree with this, it would give everyone a bit of breathing space. Obviously Matt Taylor cannot do anything regarding training in these conditions so doubtful if he could radically change the way the team is structured/plays.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:28:41
I hope Matty Taylor can coach the whole team to strike a ball like he does. We'd be bloody brilliant.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:30:40
 The most surprising thing in this, is that it didn't happen a couple of days before the Cheltnum game, rather than the Yeovil game.... although I'd have thought Saturday must be in serious doubt. Therefore it could be we'll enter it as our next game in complete disarray.  Fucking typical


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:35:25
I think its a really tough gig for Taylor.

I had hoped that Flitcrofts departure would see the return of Vigs and preferably Norris being taken out back and shot! But to ask one of the players to make those sort of decisions at this point seems unlikely.

It will be interesting to see if how different their views are when Taylor names his first team. Though he has some problems with injuries and suspensions.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:37:19
I hope Matty Taylor can coach the whole team to strike a ball like he does. We'd be bloody brilliant.

Taylor seems a model pro, which is good, so should get a bit of respect from the other lads, but management is about so much more.  I've no idea if he has any of those qualities.  However Matty has worked with Phil Brown....  :hmmm:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:37:53
It's not clear if we can recall Vigs.

definitely a tough ask to manage and play.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:40:55
One of the problems with MT taking it over is that he isn't likely to be playing.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:44:04
Indeed, yet when Swindon fans on FB are saying these things then its called sour grapes or bullshit by Mansfield fans, all of Flitcrofts faults were warned us by Bury fans....and guess what....they were right.

I won't miss him, he did an adequate job but not too many Town fans will stick up for him fully.

He did some good, he got us a bit of stability but the bad far outweighed the good IMO.
That sums it up for me too JJ. Not a fan, not at all sorry to see him go.

I'll be interested to see if Woolery and Mullin get more of a look in. Could/should be key players for us IOM...


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:47:20
He said in an interview his family are worth ‘Billions’. Maybe in Ugandan dollars sir?
They may well be. Although you only have his word for that. But either way, they ain't spending it at Rovers


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:48:01
One of the problems with MT taking it over is that he isn't likely to be playing.

Why is he not likely to be playing?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:49:05
Indeed, yet when Swindon fans on FB are saying these things then its called sour grapes or bullshit by Mansfield fans, all of Flitcrofts faults were warned us by Bury fans....and guess what....they were right.

I won't miss him, he did an adequate job but not too many Town fans will stick up for him fully.

He did some good, he got us a bit of stability but the bad far outweighed the good IMO.
Agree with this, and not sorry to see him go per se, but can only see this blowing up any remaining chance of promotion this season. Not because Flitcroft is a managerial genius but because it's about as well timed as a James Dunne tackle.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:50:28
Why is he not likely to be playing?
Taking the role of Player Manager is difficult but not impossible as long as he has somebody on the touchline that he trusts for judgement of on pitch matters.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:51:03
Not because Flitcroft is a managerial genius but because it's about as well timed as a James Dunne tackle.
:D


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:53:15
 Managers who've left us for other clubs, rather than being sacked.....

 Danny Williams.... Sheffield Wednesday
 Dave Mackay.... Nottm Forest
 Lou Macari.... West Ham
 Ossie Ardiles... Newcastle
 Glenn Hoddle...Chelsea
 Colin Todd... Derby County
 Dennis Wise/Gus Poyet.... Leeds
 Paul Sturrock... Plymuff
 Paolo di Canio... Sunderland
David Flitcroft... Mansfield  :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 11:56:06
Managers who've left us for other clubs, rather than being sacked.....

 Danny Williams.... Sheffield Wednesday
 Lou Macari.... West Ham
 Ossie Ardiles... *newcastle
 Glenn Hoddle...Chelsea
 Colin Todd... Derby County
 Dennis Wise/Gus Poyet.... Leeds
 Paul Sturrock... Plymuff
 Paolo di Canio... Sunderland
David Flitcroft... Mansfield  :)
The only 2 on there is haven't been bothered about leaving TBH are Flitcroft and Todd.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 12:07:18
Why is he not likely to be playing?

This is an interview for his next career, at his age he would be bonkers to try this as player manager.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 12:08:05
Sounds like we may get some compo. This from Mansfield owner John Radford

JR: "I must say thank you to Swindon Town. They've conducted themselves excellently. We agreed terms with them and then got to speak to David from about 4.00pm yesterday."


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 12:08:55
Fuck does this mean that Pat isn't getting it, I was hoping that we could roll this one out in about 3 weeks...

(https://78.media.tumblr.com/e0a8046c353b185950d21fd115280bce/tumblr_o0hpcwRCou1uvrk3do1_500.jpg)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 12:09:51
Managers who've left us for other clubs, rather than being sacked.....

 Danny Williams.... Sheffield Wednesday
 Lou Macari.... West Ham
 Ossie Ardiles... Spurs
 Glenn Hoddle...Chelsea
 Colin Todd... Derby County
 Dennis Wise/Gus Poyet.... Leeds
 Paul Sturrock... Plymuff
 Paolo di Canio... Sunderland
David Flitcroft... Mansfield  :)

Di Canio didn't leave us for the Mackems, he only surfaced there well over a month after leaving Swindon....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 12:10:24
There’s only so much compensation you get for a guy with a few months left on his contract!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 12:10:59
Di Canio didn't leave us for the Mackems, he only surfaced there well over a month after leaving Swindon....
True, also Ardiles left for Newcastle but was told he could go before he was sacked and Todd left us to be assistant manager not manager.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 12:11:34
There’s only so much compensation you get for a guy with a few months left on his contract!
Adver says he had a 2 year deal


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 12:12:10
BTW if the game this weekend is postponed and we don't play until next Saturday is there not a possibility that Taylor actually won't manage a game, the statement doesn't seem to suggest that he has been appointed till the end of the season or anything like that and instead suggests that we are looking for a manager.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 12:16:17
Adver says he had a 2 year deal
It was definitely a one year deal.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 12:20:21
True, also Ardiles left for Newcastle but was told he could go before he was sacked and Todd left us to be assistant manager not manager.

However as it says, managers who left us for other clubs, rather than being sacked, of which Todd was one such, as was Ossie.

I don't think Roy Evans or KMac took on another club after leaving us.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RedRag on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 12:24:09
https://www.google.co.uk/search?biw=1477&bih=687&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=VPCXWs-TJsSbgAa2xJeIDw&q=welcome+matt&oq=welcome+matt&gs_l=psy-ab.12...0.0.0.60514.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c..64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.NA4x4uIRqFs#imgrc=yS9G_movenaeiM:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 12:28:09
Taking the role of Player Manager is difficult but not impossible as long as he has somebody on the touchline that he trusts for judgement of on pitch matters.

I think if Taylor is going to be PM long term we need to get a decent assistant appointed ASAP, its needs someone with nous sat in the dug out - whats John Gorman doing these days?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 12:29:16
This comment makes me genuinely laugh out loud on the Mansfield forum.

Quote
All this talk from the Swindon fans about Hoofball… Perhaps it's because Flitcroft decided that style suits that group of players. With the players he's got here who's to say we won't continue to play it on the floor. Sounds more like sour grapes to me.

He bought the whole fucking team so bought them to play a style rather than changing his style to suit the players!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 12:31:01
I think if Taylor is going to be PM long term we need to get a decent assistant appointed ASAP, its needs someone with nous sat in the dug out - whats John Gorman doing these days?
The Gorman style was perfect as assistant, less so as actual manager, but yes that sort of experience would be ideal is Taylor is to play as PM, more of a role for Pat Fenlon maybe? (sorry to keep mentioning him but he is already on Powers wage bill so it won't be a new wage added).


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 12:31:36
Are Mansfield better than us then? By a whole fucking 3 points. Wow.

Didn't we beat them home and away?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 12:35:58
Maybe Taylor knows someone in the game he trusts and he will ask to assist him while he is in charge.

I bet Sol Campbell has already been on the phone


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 12:41:13
Maybe Taylor knows someone in the game he trusts and he will ask to assist him while he is in charge.

I bet Sol Campbell has already been on the phone

As I said earlier he's worked with Phil Brown at Bolton.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 12:42:49
As I said earlier he's worked with Phil Brown at Bolton.
Be handy if he needs any advice on sunbeds


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 12:46:10
Be handy if he needs any advice on sunbeds

I'm now thinking that they'll have missed each other. As you were...


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 12:48:10
As I said earlier he's worked with Phil Brown at Bolton.
We don't know if they even like each other though TBH just because you work with somone doesn't mean you like them or get on with them.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 13:02:09
Maybe Taylor knows someone in the game he trusts and he will ask to assist him while he is in charge.

I bet Sol Campbell has already been on the phone

What’s ‘arry redknapp up to?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 13:03:25
What’s ‘arry redknapp up to?
Helping out coaching at Yeovil Town.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Pete on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 13:05:39
Managers who've left us for other clubs, rather than being sacked.....

 Danny Williams.... Sheffield Wednesday
 Lou Macari.... West Ham
 Ossie Ardiles... Spurs
 Glenn Hoddle...Chelsea
 Colin Todd... Derby County
 Dennis Wise/Gus Poyet.... Leeds
 Paul Sturrock... Plymuff
 Paolo di Canio... Sunderland
David Flitcroft... Mansfield  :)

Did Dave McKay leave us to go to Forest?



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 13:07:15
If Mansfield fans think it's sour grapes, they can read my posts for the past 3 months.  I've been whinging about the fucker sufficiently I would have though, much the chagrin of some people on here :-)

Timing is bad, but the speed it moved shows either it was actually much more drawn out in the background or Power was not likely to extend at the end of the season anyway.

Get Fenlon in.  His CV is interesting enough and let someone like Taylor be involved, who I have no idea about in terms of potential Managerial ability.  He does talk alot to players during the game though.  Lets hope it is more like his Free Kick taking than his gifts in central midfield.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 13:07:22
Helping out coaching at Yeovil Town.

That will be them in financial dire straits in a few months then....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 13:08:35
I also think it would be lovely if the club could use that Twitter/FB photo of Taylor with the Oxford scarf around him on the official website for a bit!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 13:08:52
Did Dave McKay leave us to go to Forest?



Yep good shout...I'll amend the list.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 13:11:11
That will be them in financial dire straits in a few months then....
They aren't letting him near the finances, just the coaching side ;)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 13:13:56
Yep good shout...I'll amend the list.

Reg, as the most likely on here to win Eggheads, I'm disappointed in your list.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 13:14:30
If Mansfield fans think it's sour grapes, they can read my posts for the past 3 months.  I've been whinging about the fucker sufficiently I would have though, much the chagrin of some people on here :-)

Timing is bad, but the speed it moved shows either it was actually much more drawn out in the background or Power was not likely to extend at the end of the season anyway.

Get Fenlon in.  His CV is interesting enough and let someone like Taylor be involved, who I have no idea about in terms of potential Managerial ability.  He does talk alot to players during the game though.  Lets hope it is more like his Free Kick taking than his gifts in central midfield.

Why on earth would you want a fella who's nearly reached 50, never played or managed for a minute in England, or at any major European league?  For me a recipe for disaster....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RedRag on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 13:38:12
Did Dave McKay leave us to go to Forest?



I think the utter c unt resigned mid season and was coincidentally appointed Forest Manager within the week.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RedLadyBucks on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 13:43:04
A Chelsea supporting colleague at work has suggested Frank Lampard, who has just got a coaching badge.  I'd also prefer him as a player manager and playing in midfield instead of James Dunne (well I prefer anyone instead of James Dunne really).


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 13:49:31
Personally think we need a steadying safe pair of hands even if its just until the end of the season.

Trouble is I have a list of 0. Maybe Rostler ?

But I'm sure Power has his own plan. My bets would be Fenlon, Brown and Coterill*

*who may be saved from the tin tack by the weather.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 13:50:08
Are we turning into the FB group?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 13:50:25
Are we turning into the FB group?

Power Out


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Sir red ken on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 13:53:34
Power has been chewing up and spitting out managers at quite a rate since he took over. I don't feel he'll get the next management appointment right either. We must be close to a new manager every year since he's taken control. I do hope I'm going to be wrong for the sake of the club.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 14:03:17
Hmm.

Cooper 2 and a bit seasons... Removed when we were playing terribly and the fans were calling for his head.
Martin Ling not long, but due to a mental health so you cant really blame him for that.
Williams a season and a bit... Removed when we got relegated. Fans wanted him gone.
Flitcroft wanted to leave - but left us in the top 7 which I imagine was the minimum requirement for him (although after a finished season!). Fans wanted him gone too.

I don't really think you can beat Power with this particular stick. We're no worse than anyone else at the moment


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 14:05:16
Power has been chewing up and spitting out managers at quite a rate since he took over. I don't feel he'll get the next management appointment right either. We must be close to a new manager every year since he's taken control. I do hope I'm going to be wrong for the sake of the club.
whether people like him or not flitcroft was hardly a disaster so not sure that can be aimed at him. He also appointed Ling which wasn't that bad was it ?  


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 14:09:05
whether people like him or not flitcroft was hardly a disaster so not sure that can be aimed at him. He also appointed Ling which wasn't that bad was it ?  

Flitters was a good appointment, and it's important that we get something in like him as replacement. There was talk in the summer of Jim Bentley at Morecambe.  Although as he's under contract until 2020, probably unrealistic.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 14:09:47
It's a pity Evans went to Peterborough


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 14:27:49
It's a pity Evans went to Peterborough

Cod? Plaice? Mackerel?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 14:28:32
It's a pity Evans went to Peterborough

I suppose Harry Kewell would be the counter argument.  At first it looked like as expected he'd take them back to the Conference, but fair play to him for turning them round.  Still a chance of PO's, especially as it's likely we'll be vacating a place.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 14:30:36
Why on earth would you want a fella who's nearly reached 50, never played or managed for a minute in England, or at any major European league?  For me a recipe for disaster....

I have no idea :-)

I'm thinking more for a temporary role until end of the season, assuming all the good ones won't be moving.

Also, while all your points are valid, having all those points of experience does not always mean success, just as not having them doesn't always mean failure.  Plenty of non-pro footballers have done well as Managers.  Fenlon does have a Managerial pedigree, we just don't know whether it would stand-up in the English game or not.  He did OK in Scotland, considering Hibs after him, and he's broken records in Ireland.

As I mentioned elsewhere though, me personal choice for a long term would be someone on the up in league below us.  Someone with lower league experience, who has gained their first job or two and is showing signs of improving a team.  I don't have the necessary knowledge to see who that might be though - Challinor came to mind, but I know they have had resources.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 14:46:08

As I mentioned elsewhere though, me personal choice for a long term would be someone on the up in league below us.  Someone with lower league experience, who has gained their first job or two and is showing signs of improving a team.  I don't have the necessary knowledge to see who that might be though - Challinor came to mind, but I know they have had resources.

How about Paul Doswell then? Sutton Utd manage. He sponsors them I believe and works for free! Power would be all over that like a cheap suit surely  ;)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 14:53:09
How about Paul Doswell then? Sutton Utd manage. He sponsors them I believe and works for free! Power would be all over that like a cheap suit surely  ;)

We've had the Doswell chat before. Football is his hobby, not his job.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 14:53:26
Helping out coaching at Yeovil Town.

Lovely cones. Triffic cones. You'll have to ask the chairman about new cones though.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Sir red ken on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 15:30:31
I hope we don't get any of the following as our next manager. Someone at the club who's an assistant or youth manager, the next person in line. One of our playing legends. A non league manager who's doing OK/Good in the lower leagues. However I do feel it will be one of these types. Am I alone in wishing that we end this vicious cycle of romantic thinking which doesn't work or are you all in favour? interested to know your thoughts.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 15:35:44
Mansfield fans really don't like us :D this makes me laugh.

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Swindon are a set of BillyBigBallhocks who think they are too big for this league - another Luton. The fact that they aren't 20 points clear means they've turned on the manager. They are a horrible club - one of the most disliked (he then lists about 20 other clubs he hates)

yep, a lot of their fans think this league is 'poo' and that they're 'too big' to be in league two. sounds like a lot of other fans

Give them 4 weeks and they will be begging for Evans to return to them I guarantee!

Bitter? you betcha!

http://www.stagsnet.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=33331&sid=c5b144b8772b03b2f3a642d252940994


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 15:41:42
Mansfield fans really don't like us :D this makes me laugh.

Give them 4 weeks and they will be begging for Evans to return to them I guarantee!

Bitter? you betcha!

http://www.stagsnet.net/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=33331&sid=c5b144b8772b03b2f3a642d252940994

To be fair the bit that says 'Swindon are a set of BillyBigBallhocks who think they are too big for this league' is fairly reflected by a large percentage of the contributors to this forum... ;)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 15:44:53
Our third season in our division in what, 35 years? Other two we got promoted, one comfortably winning the league... can hardly blame us for perhaps thinking the club is bigger than the league. I'm sure they thought the same when they were in the Conference.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 15:47:58
Our third season in our division in what, 35 years? Other two we got promoted, one comfortably winning the league... can hardly blame us for perhaps thinking the club is bigger than the league. I'm sure they thought the same when they were in the Conference.
Some fair points :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 15:49:02
We're too big for this league.  We need out of it ASAP.

And who the f##k are Mansfold anyway?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 15:49:12
Compared to Mansfield we are a big club


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 15:52:38
Where is Mansfield?  :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Sir red ken on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 15:54:03
Where is Mansfield?  :)
Right next to Womansfield and across the road from Gay and transfield.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 16:11:02
Mansfield is just up the road from me...I think I have an account on that StagsNet Forum....shall I?  :soapy tit wank: :soapy tit wank: :pint:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 16:25:24
Taylor will be player-manager. The man has said so himself.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 16:30:30
"We'll prepare, we'll scout them but, ultimately, it is about us, removing the shackles and going to play football."

A bit of a dig there?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 16:31:09
"We'll prepare, we'll scout them but, ultimately, it is about us, removing the shackles and going to play football."

A bit of a dig there?
Really? where did he say this mate do you have a link?

That is a bit of a dig.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 16:32:43
The official twitter feed


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 16:35:37
The official twitter feed
Ta will have a looky.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 16:36:34
edit: Never mind, though it was GFs Mansfield presser...



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 16:38:05
The new man?

TEAMtalk can reveal that Swindon Town could be ready to hijack Grimsby Town’s attempts to land Gary Holt.

We understand that Grimsby have held talks with former Falkirk boss Holt, who is rated very highly.

Holt was assistant boss at Norwich City before leaving last year, and he is now ready to step back up for a managerial role.

Grimsby are understood to have been hugely impressed by Holt and have made him their top target.

However, Swindon, who are also on the look out for a new boss after David Flitcroft left for Mansfield Town, are also keen on Holt and want to talk to him before he has chance to agree anything with Grimsby.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 16:39:06
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MT 🗣️ | "Olly Lancashire has got a worse calf injury than we first thought. Timi Elsnik will be touch and go. We won't risk any player though because there will be ten massive games left after Saturday."

MT 🗣️ | "We've got an opportunity to make history and I'm really excited."

MT 🗣️ | "@YTFC will want to win the game and they might feel that they owe us one. But the focus has got to be about us. We'll prepare, we'll scout them but, ultimately, it is about us, removing the shackles and going to play football."

MT 🗣️ | "We had a meeting with the players this morning about what happened and I explained what I expect from them. We had an honest chat. We've got an opportunity to get this club promoted. It is in our hands."

MT 🗣️ | "@DMTkeepers will be helping me and we've had lots of conversations today. We've got a lot of hard-working people here and they have to be utilised."

MT 🗣️ | "It will be Player-Manager until I am told otherwise or until the club appoint someone else. But all I am focussed on is getting the team ready and getting everyone in the right frame of mind for Saturday."

MT 🗣️ | "It showed character and belief (against @YTFC in November). I've told the players today all I can ask for is for them to give everything they've got."

MT 🗣️ | "I've been asked to help and I'm throughly enjoying my time here, but it is not about Matt Taylor. It is about galvanising this team and pushing for promotion."

Some interesting comments there.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 16:39:16
I think it's the use of going to play football after, which is being inferred as using the grass from time to tie I guess.  It will be easy to spot if there is a change if we get the kick off.  If Taylor isn't given the ball and doesn't lump it down the line, that will be the first sign!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 16:41:14
BetVictor, who were first to install Flitcroft’s move have suspended betting on Phil Brown on becoming our next manager


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 16:41:34
The new man?

TEAMtalk can reveal that Swindon Town could be ready to hijack Grimsby Town’s attempts to land Gary Holt.

We understand that Grimsby have held talks with former Falkirk boss Holt, who is rated very highly.

Holt was assistant boss at Norwich City before leaving last year, and he is now ready to step back up for a managerial role.

Grimsby are understood to have been hugely impressed by Holt and have made him their top target.

However, Swindon, who are also on the look out for a new boss after David Flitcroft left for Mansfield Town, are also keen on Holt and want to talk to him before he has chance to agree anything with Grimsby.
He had a good record managing at Falkirk and is highly rated as a coach.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Stef Troll on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 16:45:35
Fantastic news. Flitcroft would never have taken us up.  Feel sorry for Mansfield. Flitcroft will start well but ultimately Flitcroft poor management ability will cost them.

Wonder if Vigoroux will come back now.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 16:50:55
It's a pity Evans went to Peterborough
Why ?, Surely he wouldn't want to manage a circus team ?.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 16:52:43
Fantastic news. Flitcroft would never have taken us up.  Feel sorry for Mansfield. Flitcroft will start well but ultimately Flitcroft poor management ability will cost them.

Wonder if Vigoroux will come back now.

All he needs to do to get them up is start well.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: mastapeaka on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 17:00:43
"ultimately, it is about us, removing the shackles and going to play football."

Really interesting little remark there about removing the shackles


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 17:10:53
All he needs to do to get them up is start well.


My problem all along with Flitcroft was ‘then what’?. If he got us up, who’d want another season of the, mostly, shite churned out this season. It would have been difficult for Power to sack a manager getting promotion, but we all know we’d go nowhere with him still in charge.

Very deja vu with the Mansfield fans. I remember the Bury fans detailing his managerial faults, but most, myself included, were taken in with his statements when taking over. He sounded passionate, knowledgable and committed.

Exactly what the Stags fans are saying now.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: mastapeaka on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 17:15:45
I think the biggest thing we need to address is the amount of goals being conceded. That will be the biggest downfall moving into the play offs. Whether that is bringing Vigs back or not, I think there's a deeper issue. And for all Matty Taylor's qualities I do wonder where the defensive coaching is going to come from to improve the situation. 


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Sir red ken on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 17:23:49
I think the biggest thing we need to address is the amount of goals being conceded. That will be the biggest downfall moving into the play offs. Whether that is bringing Vigs back or not, I think there's a deeper issue. And for all Matty Taylor's qualities I do wonder where the defensive coaching is going to come from to improve the situation. 
I agree that's why we need someone along the lines of Joleon Lescott as a player or player manager. That will get us over the line.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 17:28:06
I agree that's why we need someone along the lines of Joleon Lescott as a player or player manager. That will get us over the line.

Our best 3 CBs are injured. Any club would struggle to defend with that situation.

We certainly do not need Joleon Lescott.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 17:32:21
My problem all along with Flitcroft was ‘then what’?. If he got us up, who’d want another season of the, mostly, shite churned out this season. It would have been difficult for Power to sack a manager getting promotion, but we all know we’d go nowhere with him still in charge.

Very deja vu with the Mansfield fans. I remember the Bury fans detailing his managerial faults, but most, myself included, were taken in with his statements when taking over. He sounded passionate, knowledgable and committed.

Exactly what the Stags fans are saying now.

Obviously we'll never find out, but Paul Hurst at the other STFC has shown what can be achieved, when you get the basics right, which is Flitters strength.

Hurst a no nonsense defender mainly with Roverum, a bit of non league experience before picking up Grimsby in the Conference, and eventually taking them up.  Moved to Shrews last season when they were struggling and managed to keep them up, just about.  When they came to the CG and went down to 10, while losing 1-0 that should have been that.

You don't do that shit by playing too much football, you just don't. We tried playing football got relegated Shrews didn't.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Sir red ken on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 17:39:06
Our best 3 CBs are injured. Any club would struggle to defend with that situation.

We certainly do not need Joleon Lescott.
Why's that? isn't he a defender. If we're 3 defenders down, would you suggest we get another striker as player manager!
We've lost games through bad defending and even worse goal keeping. Without those problems we'd be up in the autos.
Enlighten me to what's wrong with Lescott,he's available, would be brilliant at this level, yadda, yadda, yadda.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 17:39:59
What basics did get right here? We’ve conceded more home goals than anyone else in L2.

As someone else on here repeated ad nauseum the majority of our results were a lottery - proven by our win one lose one form.

We haven’t hammered anyone and iirc we have only won 1 game at home by more than the odd goal. Those initial home games where the performances were truly dreadful are responsible for us shedding so many fans.

The bloke is a Neanderthal in footballing terms.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 17:43:17
If any Mansfield fans still think we are trying to bullshit them (as I know several are reading this thread) and that its sour grapes that he has left us, then read this tweet from a Bury fan from before he signed for us.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXJW81rX4AAHZ3P.jpg)

Sounds familiar.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Sir red ken on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 17:44:05
What basics did get right here? We’ve conceded more home goals than anyone else in L2.

As someone else on here repeated ad nauseum the majority of our results were a lottery - proven by our win one lose one form.

We haven’t hammered anyone and iirc we have only won 1 game at home by more than the odd goal. Those initial home games where the performances were truly dreadful are responsible for us shedding so many fans.

The bloke is a Neanderthal in footballing terms.
Ageed and your correct on every point.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 17:45:32
or just search for posts by RobertT in the matchday forum!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 18:05:15
What basics did get right here? We’ve conceded more home goals than anyone else in L2.

As someone else on here repeated ad nauseum the majority of our results were a lottery - proven by our win one lose one form.

We haven’t hammered anyone and iirc we have only won 1 game at home by more than the odd goal. Those initial home games where the performances were truly dreadful are responsible for us shedding so many fans.

The bloke is a Neanderthal in footballing terms.

And scored more away goals than anybody else.   Basics, get defenders who can defend like Preston, don't worry if they're not clever with the ball, don't ask your keeper to play like Ederson. Get a couple of steady midfield players, that allow the more creative types to play.  Have a mix of experience and youth,  dotted about the park.  Have some players with pace as well as not worrying too much if you've a couple that don't.  Don't let individuals with over inflated senses of their worth get in the way of the team ethos... no I in team etc.  Have someone who can deliver a decent ball on set plays, so many goals will be scored that way.

Yes the home form was shit early doors, but it's difficult to bung a bunch of players together and it all to click. We've won all home games in 2018.

Flitters was undone by injuries and also a problem with midweek matches. The midweek thing perhaps a strain for the veterans and the young kids not yet battle hardened.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 18:06:31
Flitcroft may well take Mansfield up tbf, they've got some really good players in their squad and no doubt they'll start quite well.... But If he's there in a years time I will be surprised, I know they've got lofty ambitions and I don't think hes the guy to deliver them. Evans probably would have been.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 18:11:30
There are a lot of things in common between Evans and Flitcroft. Disliked by players, fans, with a level of lower league success.

I’d be staggered if Flitcroft is still employed as a manager above Conference North level at Evans’ age though.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 18:19:01
And scored more away goals than anybody else.   Basics, get defenders who can defend like Preston, don't worry if they're not clever with the ball, don't ask your keeper to play like Ederson. Get a couple of steady midfield players, that allow the more creative types to play.  Have a mix of experience and youth,  dotted about the park.  Have some players with pace as well as not worrying too much if you've a couple that don't.  Don't let individuals with over inflated senses of their worth get in the way of the team ethos... no I in team etc.  Have someone who can deliver a decent ball on set plays, so many goals will be scored that way.

Yes the home form was shit early doors, but it's difficult to bung a bunch of players together and it all to click. We've won all home games in 2018.

Flitters was undone by injuries and also a problem with midweek matches. The midweek thing perhaps a strain for the veterans and the young kids not yet battle hardened.



Which amounts to a basic formula that any one of us could put together on a side of A4 inside 5 minutes. If that is the skill of the man, we all have it, without the disadvantage that we weren’t good at football beforehand to get a foot in the management door.

Anyway.... onwards. Good luck Matt Taylor. Let’s get on with getting promoted.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 18:19:12
or just search for posts by RobertT in the matchday forum!

I'm the broken record that ensured CD's were a hit!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 18:20:49
If any Mansfield fans still think we are trying to bullshit them (as I know several are reading this thread) and that its sour grapes that he has left us, then read this tweet from a Bury fan from before he signed for us.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXJW81rX4AAHZ3P.jpg)

Sounds familiar.

Apart from we don't have world class training facilities or a fantastic youth set up. We haven't seen any of the younger players brought in by Flitters like Knoyle, Woolery, Anderson RC-C be flogged yet.  When we've hit a bad patch we've bounced out reasonably quickly.

The bit about crowds not increasing would be right though, so that's familiar.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 18:23:35
Well, some youngsters on the verge of the first team did seem to drop back a bit and Vigs has turned from potential small asset to liability and we are consistently inconsistent, which is a result of the approach which part of the reason crowds have declined.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 18:27:20
Eerily accurate, as was the prediction he would try to convince you that a long ball hoofed to nobody was actually the product of new age sport science, ingenious tactical analysis and something to do with a microwave.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Arnold Corns on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 18:30:31
"We'll prepare, we'll scout them but, ultimately, it is about us, removing the shackles and going to play football."

A bit of a dig there?

Exactly how I read it


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 18:31:21
Which amounts to a basic formula that any one of us could put together on a side of A4 inside 5 minutes. If that is the skill of the man, we all have it, without the disadvantage that we weren’t good at football beforehand to get a foot in the management door.

Anyway.... onwards. Good luck Matt Taylor. Let’s get on with getting promoted.

But that is the template for much of English football.  You sex it up with data stats, video analysis and nutrition etc. It's why someone like a Warnock can pretty much guarantee you a promotion.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 18:31:37
[Hello Mansfield lurkers  :bye:]

I want to be ‘gutted’, ‘angry’ and ‘bitter’ but for whatever reason, I’m not.

The timing is abysmal and gives Town a good-ish excuse if the season is firmly derailed......



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 18:35:45
Quote from: Costanza
[Hello Mansfield lurkers  :bye:]

I want to be ‘gutted’, ‘angry’ and ‘bitter’ but for whatever reason, I’m not.

The timing is abysmal and gives Town a good-ish excuse if the season is firmly derailed......


Think that's true of most of us TBH.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: derbystfc on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 18:39:51
Eerily accurate, as was the prediction he would try to convince you that a long ball hoofed to nobody was actually the product of new age sport science, ingenious tactical analysis and something to do with a microwave.

Of course, you can't forget the famous microwave!! :D


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Family at War on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 18:42:09
Found Flitcroft an arrogant tosser and really glad he has gone. Just go but tell the truth a job closer to home and all that shit about feeling the warmth from the Mansfield chairman - more like seeing the wads of notes he was offering!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 19:03:04
At least we shouldn't have to endure RobertT's copy and paste match report every week anymore...that's one positive at least.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 19:07:09
At least we shouldn't have to endure RobertT's copy and paste match report every week anymore...that's one positive at least.
That must have been a real hardship. If you don't like it, don't read it. You not got any bullishit ITK tips for manager that we can all laugh at then?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 19:12:07
At least we shouldn't have to endure RobertT's copy and paste match report every week anymore...that's one positive at least.

We might get Phil Brown...............


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: leftside on Thursday, March 1, 2018, 19:17:02
I wouldn't describe Flitcroft as arrogant or a tosser. He was the right man to bring in at the start of the season. Most of the players he brought ticked the right boxes and the Jan signings have been spot on. I've not heard him say anything that would make me think he's not the right man for the job (I didn't hear the comment about the fans on Saturday and he's generally heaped praise on the away fans). He's certainly not erudite but at least he's not show Williams-esque delusion.

I think he would have gotten us in the play-offs, just. I think he'll get Mansfield to the play-offs.

Some of the football has been very good, but there have been some desperately poor performances (mostly halves rather than 90 mins).

One thing that suggests that the play-offs were the best we could hope for is that I've not been at all convinced that we're a good team. Ironically, probably the most convincing performance I've seen this season was at Field Mill.

I can't blame Mansfield fans for thinking he's a good appointment. I did in August and the deserved double over Mansfield would suggest that they will be getting a manager who can get results against the best in this league. One concern was that he struggled to halt bad runs - he proved otherwise this season. So far we've only been doubled by Coventry. However, we've failed to beat Chesterfield and put in some shocking performances against some real dross (yes, Stags fans this division is nigh-on devoid of quality).

I actually think we're now less likely to make the play-offs but am not feeling any sense of disappointment that he's gone.

I'd love Taylor to be a revelation but my general pessimism rules this out. We could do with Saturday being called off and prepare to chloroform and kidnap Uwe.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 2, 2018, 01:10:33
I think he would have gotten us in the play-offs,
Stopped reading there.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: sir windon on Friday, March 2, 2018, 07:44:19
As past participles of get, got and gotten both date back to Middle English. In North American English, got and gotten are not identical in use. Gotten usually implies the process of obtaining something, as in he had gotten us tickets for the show, while got implies the state of possession or ownership, as in I haven't got any money


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Friday, March 2, 2018, 08:33:56
Presumably he didn't resign but expressed an interest in leaving, otherwise we wouldn't have got compensation. Given the speed with which it happened i can't help thinking Power hasn't been that impressed.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 2, 2018, 09:05:06
We might get Phil Brown...............

or Owen Coyle


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, March 2, 2018, 09:20:12
The longer it goes on, the less likely it is to be Fenlon. If it was him, he'd just come in right away surely?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Arnold Corns on Friday, March 2, 2018, 09:28:32
The longer it goes on, the less likely it is to be Fenlon. If it was him, he'd just come in right away surely?

If Power has someone lined up I suspect he will wait until after the Yeovil match to minimise disruption to game preparations and give the new man a full week to bed in.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ferret on Friday, March 2, 2018, 09:29:28
If Power has someone lined up I suspect he will wait until after the Yeovil match to minimise disruption to game preparations and give the new man a full week to bed in.

It's never going to be on though


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Friday, March 2, 2018, 09:31:07
Snow will be gone by tomorrow, it's going to be a sweltering 2c  :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ferret on Friday, March 2, 2018, 09:32:33
I hope it's on, but I very much doubt it will be.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: leftside on Friday, March 2, 2018, 09:34:51
Stopped reading there.
Because...?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Friday, March 2, 2018, 09:37:43
Taylor will be player-manager. The man has said so himself.

Of course he will be player manager, he is still registered as a player, it depends on whether he plays.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Leggett on Friday, March 2, 2018, 09:40:29
18 pages... TL;DR. A brief summation, anyone? :P


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: donkey on Friday, March 2, 2018, 09:41:51
Because...?

I imagine owing to Americanisationism (gotten). However, noted wordy Susie Dent seems less bothered.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08qxd02


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, March 2, 2018, 09:46:41
Because...?

I think it was because you were making too much sense about Flitcroft.

Use of American English upsets some on here.... Paul was at it recently with his use of license as a noun, I'm sure he'll have corrected it though.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Friday, March 2, 2018, 10:37:51
18 pages... TL;DR. A brief summation, anyone? :P

Flitcroft = bad, but good

New manager = who the fuck knows

Mansfield fans = lurking


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: leftside on Friday, March 2, 2018, 10:39:09
I imagine owing to Americanisationism (gotten). However, noted wordy Susie Dent seems less bothered.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08qxd02
Ah, thanks (and you too Reg). As mentioned previously, 'gotten' does have a pre-US use.

Still, there's always room on here for some priggishness.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 2, 2018, 10:39:24
Presumably he didn't resign but expressed an interest in leaving, otherwise we wouldn't have got compensation. Given the speed with which it happened i can't help thinking Power hasn't been that impressed.

According to the official site he did resign, I assume any compensation will be in lieu of any notice period etc.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 2, 2018, 10:39:55
At least we shouldn't have to endure RobertT's copy and paste match report every week anymore...that's one positive at least.

Any chance of you doing us the same courtesy?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Honest Lee on Friday, March 2, 2018, 10:42:43

http://the72.co.uk/99071/5-players-david-flitcroft-sign-mansfield-town/

Ha Ha !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 2, 2018, 10:43:01
I have mixed feelings about Flitcroft. His aim was to get us promoted back to League 1 and at this current time, we are well in the mix for both the play-offs and the automatic shake up.

His 'style' of football is pretty basic. Defenders are there to get rid, the midfield, well, not sure what they are there for really and the wing players to provide ammunition for Norris to shank, or Richards to put away.

His signings on the whole have been ok. Elsnik is a touch of class and Matt Taylor and Marc Richards' experience will be vital. Matt Preston was a good signing also and he was unlucky that he is now injured. Lancashire and Robertson are ok for league 2 but Dunne has been a big let down. The concern thinking ahead would be that this squad would need a big overhaul to even compete at league 1 level.

Its all well and good instilling discipline etc but the Vigoroux issue is a pain as he is by far our best keeper. Hasn't helped that RCC has started dipping his gloves in melted butter pre-match and cost us points either.

I'm 'meh' about it all really. I wish Matt Taylor luck, I would imagine he would want to play more football than we have seen but I doubt he'll completely overhaul the squad and keep things fairly similar. Power will need to act quickly to instill some semblance of normality, few managers out of work, Slade (no), Phil Brown (perhaps), Uwe Rosler (yes) and some rookie managers looking for work, Lampard, Bellamy and Sol Campbell (probably no to all at this juncture).


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 2, 2018, 10:57:32
Spot on BO.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Leggett on Friday, March 2, 2018, 10:58:19
Flitcroft = bad, but good

New manager = who the fuck knows

Mansfield fans = lurking


Good eggs, nice one!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 2, 2018, 11:07:40
I wish Matt Taylor luck, I would imagine he would want to play more football than we have seen but I doubt he'll completely overhaul the squad and keep things fairly similar. Power will need to act quickly to instill some semblance of normality, few managers out of work, Slade (no), Phil Brown (perhaps), Uwe Rosler (yes) and some rookie managers looking for work, Lampard, Bellamy and Sol Campbell (probably no to all at this juncture).
MT could well do well he has experience at the top level and seems to know the game from his interviews I have heard when he signed for us when he did say he was taking his coaching badges.

Of the "usual suspects" that are linked I would say no to Brown and Slade, I wouldn't mind Holt or possibly Bellamy at a push. Lampard is about to join Chelseas coaching team with a view to eventually becoming manager there so hes probably out of the running.

Adi Viveash is till without a job after doing well with Chelsea but doesn't have the "appeal" of some others of that level of experience.

Also the linking of Gary Holt is interesting to me, did quite well at Falkirk in the Jock Premier for Falkirk for 14 months with a win ratio of 48% from 52 games, before being poached by Norwich to become their assistant manager, heavily linked to Grimsby. Was also academy manager at Norwich before joining Falkirk.

TBH I think I would like to see what Matty Taylor can bring to the plate before making a decision though if I was Power.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 2, 2018, 11:08:31
Ah, thanks (and you too Reg). As mentioned previously, 'gotten' does have a pre-US use.
Of course it does. American English is effectively a fork of 17th century English, seem to remember reading they are closer to the original than modern British English. Or, as I prefer to think of it, we have evolved more :) I just find "gotten" annoying, is all, an unnecessary affectation when got is IMO a better usage.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 2, 2018, 11:15:54

Its all well and good instilling discipline etc but the Vigoroux issue is a pain as he is by far our best keeper. Hasn't helped that RCC has started dipping his gloves in melted butter pre-match and cost us points either.


The problem is that many fans were crying out for some discipline last year when the players were frankly taking the piss out of their mate Williams, and we also have often threads on here about the modern menace of player power.

Yet Vigorous who has shown himself to be a bit of a prick previously on more than one occasion and continues to do thus and acts like a spurned 14 year old girl on social media, falls out with the manager and everyone is laying it at Flitcroft's door.

I am not sure if anyone bar the player and manager actually know whats gone on.....

Anyway onward, kind of hope tomorrow is called off to allow us to get our arses sorted a bit, but we shall see.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, March 2, 2018, 11:17:07

Adi Viveash is till without a job after doing well with Chelsea but doesn't have the "appeal" of some others of that level of experience.


Acting assistant manager at Coventry.
Appointed in August to cover for someone recovering from illness.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 2, 2018, 11:24:22
Acting assistant manager at Coventry.
Appointed in August to cover for someone recovering from illness.
Oh I thought I read he had left that post.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Friday, March 2, 2018, 11:31:57
Current favourite is Phil Brown, he got Southend out of the division i guess but its not one that inspires particularly.

I'm still a fan of the top old pro getting his first job with us. Its worked very well for us before as we all know. At least that way the guy doesn't have years of failure and a couple of sackings on his record. They usually have good relations with top clubs and senior decision makers.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, March 2, 2018, 11:36:42
Oh I thought I read he had left that post.

He needs to update his LinkedIn profile if he has.  :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 2, 2018, 11:37:50
MT could well do well he has experience at the top level and seems to know the game from his interviews I have heard when he signed for us when he did say he was taking his coaching badges.

Of the "usual suspects" that are linked I would say no to Brown and Slade, I wouldn't mind Holt or possibly Bellamy at a push. Lampard is about to join Chelseas coaching team with a view to eventually becoming manager there so hes probably out of the running.

Adi Viveash is till without a job after doing well with Chelsea but doesn't have the "appeal" of some others of that level of experience.

Also the linking of Gary Holt is interesting to me, did quite well at Falkirk in the Jock Premier for Falkirk for 14 months with a win ratio of 48% from 52 games, before being poached by Norwich to become their assistant manager, heavily linked to Grimsby. Was also academy manager at Norwich before joining Falkirk.

TBH I think I would like to see what Matty Taylor can bring to the plate before making a decision though if I was Power.

Power doesn't like to rush things either. Tomorrow's game is off which is a bit of a godsend really. Do you think Power is likely to give MT 4 or 5 games to see what he can do? Its a risk but then again getting any new manager is a risk really.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 2, 2018, 11:39:27
The problem is that many fans were crying out for some discipline last year when the players were frankly taking the piss out of their mate Williams, and we also have often threads on here about the modern menace of player power.

Yet Vigorous who has shown himself to be a bit of a prick previously on more than one occasion and continues to do thus and acts like a spurned 14 year old girl on social media, falls out with the manager and everyone is laying it at Flitcroft's door.

I am not sure if anyone bar the player and manager actually know whats gone on.....

Anyway onward, kind of hope tomorrow is called off to allow us to get our arses sorted a bit, but we shall see.



Tomorrow is off, so you got your wish!!

BTW I pretty much agree with what you said, its just frustrating that Vigs is a talented keeper but can't seem to behave. Its only been heightened recently as RCC keeps dropping clangers!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 2, 2018, 11:43:20
yeovil game off, a week's breathing space for Taylor/to get new man in


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, March 2, 2018, 11:44:11
Power doesn't like to rush things either. Tomorrow's game is off which is a bit of a godsend really. Do you think Power is likely to give MT 4 or 5 games to see what he can do? Its a risk but then again getting any new manager is a risk really.

It's not very often that a postponement is a good thing, but this one is.... apart from the fact, it now means we go into the dreaded Cheltnum fixture in complete disarray. 


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 2, 2018, 11:44:53
He needs to update his LinkedIn profile if he has.  :)
No mate I am sure you are right I thought I read in January that he had left them on their forum, I was mistaken I am sure.

Power doesn't like to rush things either. Tomorrow's game is off which is a bit of a godsend really. Do you think Power is likely to give MT 4 or 5 games to see what he can do? Its a risk but then again getting any new manager is a risk really.
Yes mate indeed it is, every new appointment is risky, who know the players may be behind Taylor and he certainly talks a good game.

And as for for Vigs fall out, I don't blame Flitcroft for that as Vigs is a knob I just wish that Flitcroft had made it up with him rather than being (apparently) stubborn on the subject, it seemed like it was the Flitcroft way or the highway.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, March 2, 2018, 11:48:41


with you on the Vigs matter. Will keep an eye on how the Vigs situation goes now that Flitcroft has moved on.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 2, 2018, 11:49:40
While having a look on the Coventry forum (re Viveash) I came accross this thread about Flitcroft taking over at Mansfield, some interesting points.

https://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/flitcroft-swindon-to-take-over-at-mansfield-strange-one.84574/


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 2, 2018, 11:52:25
It's not very often that a postponement is a good thing, but this one is.... apart from the fact, it now means we go into the dreaded Cheltnum fixture in complete disarray. 
I wouldn’t say complete disarray. We’ve lost a prick of a manager - that’s all. Hopefully no more Woolery on the wing or Iandolo wingback.

There’s something about Matt Taylor that just seems right to me. Time will tell.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, March 2, 2018, 11:54:47
No mate I am sure you are right I thought I read in January that he had left them on their forum, I was mistaken I am sure.
Yes mate indeed it is, every new appointment is risky, who know the players may be behind Taylor and he certainly talks a good game.

And as for for Vigs fall out, I don't blame Flitcroft for that as Vigs is a knob I just wish that Flitcroft had made it up with him rather than being (apparently) stubborn on the subject, it seemed like it was the Flitcroft way or the highway.

Ferguson who is generally regarded as one of, if not the greatest manager of all time, famously used to fire them out when they got too big for their boots.... Stam, Keane, Ince, Beckham amongst others.  Flitters cut Vigs some slack, brought him back at the expense of R C-C, but his form was still poor.  Luton his last game we shipped 5 in 45 mins.... R C-C came in and we went on a decent little run.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 2, 2018, 11:54:57
I wouldn’t say complete disarray. We’ve lost a prick of a manager - that’s all. Hopefully no more Woolery on the wing or Iandolo wingback.

There’s something about Matt Taylor that just seems right to me. Time will tell.
I agree, I don't see us being currently in any more disarray than we were with Flitcroft in charge.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: sir windon on Friday, March 2, 2018, 12:12:05
I don't believe a return of the custodian that shipped so many goals and failed to organise the defence earlier in the season is the answer to ensuring promotion this term. However, back to the most pressing issue: the Americanisation (or indeed Americanization) of English. It strikes me as something of an Empire era hangover for us to maintain a superiority complex in this matter. Can we seriously disregard the adopted tongue of a nation that has brought us a cavalcade of literary greats which puts, in my humble and therefore correct opinion, an opposing British roster in the veritable shade? Melville, Twain, Hemingway, Steinbeck, Updike...the list goes on. The sooner we accept that American English  is at the very least a worthy equal to the current form of Anglicized usage, the sooner we can concentrate on willing the Town along the rocky pathway ( or sidewalk if you prefer) to promotion.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, March 2, 2018, 12:17:43
I agree, I don't see us being currently in any more disarray than we were with Flitcroft in charge.

If we had a manager we'd be down to the bare bones at the back and midfield, only being to field 4 realistic subs, unless using lads from the youth team who are bottom of their league and lost to FGR in the week, who had Cameron Belford in goal.

Not a good situation for an experienced manager to cope with, but a rookie player manager.... very difficult. The good news is we're not in any relegation danger.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 2, 2018, 12:26:07
The good news is we're not in any relegation danger.
Your most positive post in weeks ;)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: woolster on Friday, March 2, 2018, 12:34:59
MT could well do well he has experience at the top level and seems to know the game from his interviews I have heard when he signed for us when he did say he was taking his coaching badges.

Of the "usual suspects" that are linked I would say no to Brown and Slade, I wouldn't mind Holt or possibly Bellamy at a push. Lampard is about to join Chelseas coaching team with a view to eventually becoming manager there so hes probably out of the running.

Adi Viveash is till without a job after doing well with Chelsea but doesn't have the "appeal" of some others of that level of experience.

Also the linking of Gary Holt is interesting to me, did quite well at Falkirk in the Jock Premier for Falkirk for 14 months with a win ratio of 48% from 52 games, before being poached by Norwich to become their assistant manager, heavily linked to Grimsby. Was also academy manager at Norwich before joining Falkirk.

TBH I think I would like to see what Matty Taylor can bring to the plate before making a decision though if I was Power.
I thought Bellamy was at Poxford


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 2, 2018, 12:43:05
Nobody’s at Poxford yet. If you want a club in disarray look no further.

‘This takeover is nonsense. We all know it. But we're all being too polite to say it. Based on what I have seen and heard so far (my opinion I should say) I wouldn't have Tiger running my local pub. He appears utterly clueless and totally unprofessional. Trust me, I know what good looks like (in a business context) and it doesn't look like this bloke. Have to say I am vvv disappointed in Eales that he has sold out to someone of this calibre. It's a great shame. This bloke will drive us into the ground. At vv best, it has every appearance of a gigantic vanity project. All the guff about wanting to give team talks? It doesn't come from nowhere. Did you ever hear that about Eales? Or Lenagan? Or (much though I loathe the man) Kassam? Nope. This takeover is a 24 carat disaster.’


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Friday, March 2, 2018, 12:44:26
I think Bellamy is going to be a good manager, however I also think that Bellamy will be the next Cardiff manager, which is likely to become available within the next 12 months, one way or the other..  So that appointment would not be a long term one.  IMO of course.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 2, 2018, 12:47:48
Nobody’s at Poxford yet. If you want a club in disarray look no further.

‘This takeover is nonsense. We all know it. But we're all being too polite to say it. Based on what I have seen and heard so far (my opinion I should say) I wouldn't have Tiger running my local pub. He appears utterly clueless and totally unprofessional. Trust me, I know what good looks like (in a business context) and it doesn't look like this bloke. Have to say I am vvv disappointed in Eales that he has sold out to someone of this calibre. It's a great shame. This bloke will drive us into the ground. At vv best, it has every appearance of a gigantic vanity project. All the guff about wanting to give team talks? It doesn't come from nowhere. Did you ever hear that about Eales? Or Lenagan? Or (much though I loathe the man) Kassam? Nope. This takeover is a 24 carat disaster.’
Completely agree AB. Also think this serves as an instructive cautionary tale for those who don't want the Trust to buy the CG because it should be left to "proper businesspeople" and they'd worry that having a Trust-owned CG would stop chancers like this guy or the self-styled billionaire with the deep pockets and short arms at Rovers or the Russian mafia linked lot at Pompey a few years back taking over.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 2, 2018, 12:52:36
Dissafuckingray. LOLz.

Reg loves it so much he has to pretend it's happening.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 2, 2018, 12:54:43
Dissafuckingray. LOLz.

Reg loves it so much he has to pretend it's happening.
Hmm, agree that disarray is overegging it, but he's right that it's not an ideal situation for a new manager with no experience to come into. Although I'm more optimistic that Taylor will rise above it to start what will be a glorious 5-year march of continued success to propel us into the Champions League


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 2, 2018, 12:55:49
I've got lots of good feelz about Taylor. Not that that means anything.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, March 2, 2018, 12:58:32
Hmm, agree that disarray is overegging it, but he's right that it's not an ideal situation for a new manager with no experience to come into. Although I'm more optimistic that Taylor will rise above it to start what will be a glorious 5-year march of continued success to propel us into the Champions League
I bet Power has read that and is thinking you’re a prize cut for stealing his thunder. Or to be more succinct a large part of his next visionary statement regarding PL football in five years under his guidance & vision being instrumental in MT success as he’s poached away from us AKA Hoddle & masterbates.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 2, 2018, 13:06:49
I bet Power has read that and is thinking you’re a prize cut for stealing his thunder.
Wouldn't be the first time someone read one of my posts and thought I was a prize cunt :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 2, 2018, 13:10:30
One of your posts?

:)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, March 2, 2018, 13:29:03
Wouldn't be the first time someone read one of my posts and thought I was a prize cunt :)

True 99 people think you’re an utter cunt. Well it was 98 but I didn’t want to feel left out so I added mine vote. 👍


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 2, 2018, 13:29:37
True 99 people think you’re an utter cunt.
It's way more than that, but not all of them post on here :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Not that Nice If I'm Honest on Friday, March 2, 2018, 13:43:19
What's Paolo doing ?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, March 2, 2018, 13:45:55
What's Paolo doing ?
Probably organising a political rally in Italy this weekend. They have a GE don’t you know.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RedRag on Friday, March 2, 2018, 13:51:57
True 99 people think you’re an utter cunt. Well it was 98 but I didn’t want to feel left out so I added mine vote. 👍
Legends you're only one behind PaulD's 99 I see ;)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Power to people on Friday, March 2, 2018, 14:39:40
I wonder if Power will give Taylor a couple of games while he conducts interviews, if Taylor does well and the players really get behind him and there is that warm feeling from the fans (not just pissing in your pants) and we get a couple of decent wins (maybe only 1 now with Yeovil PP) then Power may be tempted to give him until the end of the season.

Or if Rosler is willing to come here (assuming he's not still being paid by Fleetwood until he gets a job) do you turn him down ?

Issue I see with Taylor is if it goes pear shaped by the end of the season with him in charge Power will be accused of going for the cheap option, but I think he has a thick enough skin to not care.   


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Friday, March 2, 2018, 14:48:17
I'd imagine if Taylor isn't the cheap option then whoever he appoints will be.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: tans on Friday, March 2, 2018, 15:25:47
If you have instagram, watch Elsniks video story. Taylor taking no shit from the younguns refusing to take part in a forfeit for losing a training exercise

https://twitter.com/tvswindonfan/status/969564493423538176


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Friday, March 2, 2018, 15:34:25
I wonder if Power will give Taylor a couple of games while he conducts interviews, if Taylor does well and the players really get behind him and there is that warm feeling from the fans (not just pissing in your pants) and we get a couple of decent wins (maybe only 1 now with Yeovil PP) then Power may be tempted to give him until the end of the season.

Or if Rosler is willing to come here (assuming he's not still being paid by Fleetwood until he gets a job) do you turn him down ?

Issue I see with Taylor is if it goes pear shaped by the end of the season with him in charge Power will be accused of going for the cheap option, but I think he has a thick enough skin to not care.   

Power will get shit whatever happens.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Arnold Corns on Friday, March 2, 2018, 15:39:57
If you have instagram, watch Elsniks video story. Taylor taking no shit from the younguns refusing to take part in a forfeit for losing a training exercise

https://twitter.com/tvswindonfan/status/969564493423538176

Not there - but here's a link to Facebook  https://www.facebook.com/pancakeman123/videos/1801043549948070/?t=137


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 2, 2018, 15:50:20
It was Gordon. Seemed to think he was above it, whatever it was.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: tans on Friday, March 2, 2018, 16:01:14
Somebody just commented it was borderline bullying :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
.
Absolute bullshit, he was stating it was a team game and he isnt being a team member


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 2, 2018, 16:07:56
Seems to have vanished from both Twatter and facebook???


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: @mwooly63 on Friday, March 2, 2018, 16:48:00
Seems to have vanished from both twitter and facebook???

Just watched it from the above fb link.

Nice to see he takes no shit


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, March 2, 2018, 18:48:49
Why not just do the fucking dance?



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: tans on Friday, March 2, 2018, 19:15:05
I liked the way he just says ‘off you go, get changed, go back to the stadium’


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, March 2, 2018, 19:42:04
I liked the way he just says ‘off you go, get changed, go back to the stadium’

still can't see it/been removed.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Friday, March 2, 2018, 19:44:05
I haven't seen it yet. Has Taylor fallen out with Gordon already?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Costanza on Friday, March 2, 2018, 19:51:46
That's the angle some have gone with.

Others with the 'good on Taylor' view.

For me it was just nice to see a non-watered down, non-media trained clip of Swindon Town players.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 2, 2018, 19:53:56
probably fairly normal stuff for a training session.

does show Taylor isn't going all matey though.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Friday, March 2, 2018, 23:22:09
Legends you're only one behind PaulD's 99 I see ;)
What do you expect with a non PC straight talking tory Brexit voter on this site being a cesspit of socialism and wealth envy?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Ells on Friday, March 2, 2018, 23:28:24
What do you expect with a non PC straight talking tory Brexit voter on this site being a cesspit of socialism and wealth envy?

I can't believe we didn't go for this as a tag line


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, March 3, 2018, 00:29:20
I can't believe we didn't go for this as a tag line
You’re welcome to use it for a small fee.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Saturday, March 3, 2018, 01:17:22
It was Gordon. Seemed to think he was above it, whatever it was.
It was Knoyle wasn't it? From the audio?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, March 3, 2018, 06:21:13
It was Knoyle wasn't it? From the audio?

Watching it again, you're right.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Saturday, March 3, 2018, 08:00:21
It was “Kel”. Knoyle was a little hesitant but jumps in in the end.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, March 3, 2018, 08:44:45
Watching it again, you're right.
How? I can't get to it on Twitter nor FB links posted.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, March 3, 2018, 14:56:56
How? I can't get to it on Twitter nor FB links posted.

Same.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Sir red ken on Saturday, March 3, 2018, 16:25:07
What do you expect with a non PC straight talking tory Brexit voter on this site being a cesspit of socialism and wealth envy?
I have issue with that comment about wealth envy, I was born into a poor working class family with low aspirations. My father worked as a union rep and we always despised those who had more than us. That's the devide and rule of Socialism. why should others who've worked hard for something receive it when we didn't, that's not an equal society.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Private Fraser on Saturday, March 3, 2018, 16:37:32
I have issue with that comment about wealth envy, I was born into a poor working class family with low aspirations. My father worked as a union rep and we always despised those who had more than us. That's the devide and rule of Socialism. why should others who've worked hard for something receive it when we didn't, that's not an equal society.

https://youtu.be/ue7wM0QC5LE


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, March 3, 2018, 16:43:33
https://youtu.be/ue7wM0QC5LE
Brilliant !.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, March 5, 2018, 11:09:51
Brian McDermott a massive mover in the markets this morning, in from 33/1 to favourite. This could just mean someone's put £20 on it...


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, March 5, 2018, 11:20:28
Brian McDermott a massive mover in the markets this morning, in from 33/1 to favourite. This could just mean someone's put £20 on it...
I think you’ve been looking at the odds for the Oxford job  :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, March 5, 2018, 11:24:39
I think you’ve been looking at the odds for the Oxford job  :girlgiggle:

https://twitter.com/Oddschanger/status/970614398774595584



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Townend80 on Monday, March 5, 2018, 11:38:03
I still think It'll be Phil Brown


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 5, 2018, 11:42:58
Brian McDermott a massive mover in the markets this morning, in from 33/1 to favourite. This could just mean someone's put £20 on it...

(https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article10692273.ece/ALTERNATES/s1200/_5for5-comedians-26.jpg)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: tans on Monday, March 5, 2018, 12:59:41
I think you’ve been looking at the odds for the Oxford job  :girlgiggle:

Kluivert


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 5, 2018, 13:17:27
Rosler
Taylor
Holt
McDermott
Fenlon
Hyppia
Brown

In that order, for me.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: hefty toe on Monday, March 5, 2018, 13:35:08
Hope it's not Phil Brown - a first class tit.  Rosler would be good, but probably sees himself above League 2.  If I were Power I'd see if Harry Kewell's interested.  Doing a very good job at Crawley on a small budget. Unlikely, but worth making an enquiry.  I'd actually be quite happy with Matt Taylor as he seems reasonably intelligent with leadership qualities.  Obviously it's a punt if we do stick with him permanently, but Swindon are unlikely to get an excellent manager with previous experience. 





Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 5, 2018, 13:50:33
It’s got to be Taylor til season’s end and then take stock.

There’s not much any new man could do - especially without knowing the first thing about the current players.

Difficult to tell what Power’s thinking is apart from the time it takes to make a decision. If Taylor, announce by Wednesday. Any later than that and I’d expect a new man.

Out of those available, I’d go for Cotterill.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, March 5, 2018, 13:57:00
Not Taylor, not McDermott - both Scummers.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Jilted John on Monday, March 5, 2018, 14:08:02
Not Taylor, not McDermott - both Scummers.
Why is Taylor a scummer? because he was born in Oxford? its not because he is an Oxford fan because he has already said he has no allegiance to them publically.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, March 5, 2018, 14:15:03
Because CS is notoriously a bit childish about this sort of thing


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 5, 2018, 14:21:18
Not Taylor, not McDermott - both Scummers.

Ref: Matchday thread for the Crawley game.

Phew....Matty Taylor has never supported the Pox but a lot of his family do. :D


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 5, 2018, 15:14:21
Taylor has come into odds on now - displacing the orange one.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Monday, March 5, 2018, 15:23:18
If it is Taylor, I hope they at least get him a solid assistant. I have no idea what the keeper coach is like, but doesn't fill me with confidence.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 5, 2018, 15:45:10
I see there’s a reserve game tomorrow at 1 against Plymouth. Both expecting to field strong sides.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 5, 2018, 15:50:36
I see there’s a reserve game tomorrow at 1 against Plymouth. Both expecting to field strong sides.
As long as we don't suffer any more injuries....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 5, 2018, 15:51:37
If it is Taylor, I hope they at least get him a solid assistant. I have no idea what the keeper coach is like, but doesn't fill me with confidence.

I did wonder who the gaffer was that Taylor said he got in contact with, whom he mentioned last week.... my money would be on Allardyce, who he played for at WHU.
 
The other option would be Arry, who he played for at Pompey.... I'm ruling out Bolton's Megson and Coyle.

My money would be on Sam.... which might suggest he's likely to be more Roundhead than Cavalier.

Either are well versed in the darker managerial arts necessary for survival.... Monaco based bank accounts for your dog, .... fake sheikh stings that sort of thing.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, March 5, 2018, 16:06:26
Either way we'll see bodies added to the coaching staff. We can't get by on Taylor and Thornton.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: tans on Monday, March 5, 2018, 16:09:49
I did wonder who the gaffer was that Taylor said he got in contact with, whom he mentioned last week.... my money would be on Allardyce, who he played for at WHU.
 
The other option would be Arry, who he played for at Pompey.... I'm ruling out Bolton's Megson and Coyle.

My money would be on Sam.... which might suggest he's likely to be more Roundhead than Cavalier.

Either are well versed in the darker managerial arts necessary for survival.... Monaco based bank accounts for your dog, .... fake sheikh stings that sort of thing.

Or Dyche


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: hefty toe on Monday, March 5, 2018, 16:12:59
I would have thought it was Dyche too.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 5, 2018, 16:19:56
Or Dyche

Possible, but he didn't play so much there....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, March 5, 2018, 16:26:09
Could be Rob Page as he was boss at Northampton. It would be uninspiring but could make sense as he'd be linking up with not only Taylor but also Richards. All speculation on my part tbh.

I have noticed Oliver Howitt is in the betting at 25s though.....pretty much most names listed after 20/1 is just thrown in for a laugh.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 5, 2018, 16:29:12
Could be Rob Page as he was boss at Northampton. It would be uninspiring but could make sense as he'd be linking up with not only Taylor but also Richards. All speculation on my part tbh.

I have noticed Oliver Howitt is in the betting at 25s though.....pretty much most names listed after 20/1 is just thrown in for a laugh.

Not a bad shout, I first thought it might have been Wilder, what with the Oxford connection, but it was indeed Page, Wilder had gone by then.

Sort who's probably doing something age group for the Welsh FA atm, so possibly available for a short Barry Hunter style stint.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, March 5, 2018, 17:03:40
Not a bad shout, I first thought it might have been Wilder, what with the Oxford connection, but it was indeed Page, Wilder had gone by then.

Sort who's probably doing something age group for the Welsh FA atm, so possibly available for a short Barry Hunter style stint.

Welsh U21s Manager. So won't have masses to do/prepare for going into this summer as it's a World Cup year. Yeah I'd take him on the sidelines til the end of season allowing Taylor a bit more freedom to select himself. Still think Power would prefer to appoint a permanent manager before Cheltenham match. To gt the real "manager bounce" effect. Taylor may be able to do this, with Page in tow.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 5, 2018, 17:06:18
Not a bad shout, I first thought it might have been Wilder, what with the Oxford connection, but it was indeed Page, Wilder had gone by then.
The is no Oxford connection.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 5, 2018, 17:07:56
The is no Oxford connection.

Taylor was born in Oxford, Wilder managed Oxford....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Monday, March 5, 2018, 17:29:07
Taylor was born in Oxford, Wilder managed Oxford....
And I once may have gone on a school trip to Oxford, do I have an Oxford connection? And if so, will chalkies shorts put me on 'ignore'? (assuming he hasn't already done so)...


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 5, 2018, 18:01:00
And I once may have gone on a school trip to Oxford, do I have an Oxford connection? And if so, will chalkies shorts put me on 'ignore'? (assuming he hasn't already done so)...

CS will have to answer that... if he's not already ignoring you. However in the eyes of the fundamentalist, you may be tainted.

It was so much easier, when they were good old Headington


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, March 5, 2018, 18:12:59
Haven't got anyone on ignore. It's a forum where opinions are expressed so I read all opinions.
I will admit to being a bit extreme on the issue of the scum. Others couldn't care less.
As for ost possible trip to scum land, I can forgive that. The only times I've gone there other than to watch town have been when relatives needed hospital treatment. Don't want to go there.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Monday, March 5, 2018, 18:26:41
I had to go in the Kassam once for work!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 5, 2018, 18:41:50
If I hear the word, see it on a sign etc I have to spit.

I have been twice to the dogs - when the track was open.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: scillyred on Monday, March 5, 2018, 18:43:12
I once lived in Oxford and my current car number plate starts OX - I am deeply ashamed  :cry:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Costanza on Monday, March 5, 2018, 18:53:38
I had to go in the Kassam once for work!

Is this why you left the country?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 5, 2018, 19:10:29
Taylor was born in Oxford, Wilder managed Oxford....
That really, really is tenuous.

Did you realise that Will Henry was born in Bristol and was a shcoolboy for Bristol City too?

Where does it end? that is close to the depths when it comes to rivalry.

To be honest I expected better of you Reg.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, March 5, 2018, 19:22:06

To be honest I expected better of you Reg.

Really? It's just standard Regishness.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 5, 2018, 19:48:52
That really, really is tenuous.

Did you realise that Will Henry was born in Bristol and was a shcoolboy for Bristol City too?

Where does it end? that is close to the depths when it comes to rivalry.

To be honest I expected better of you Reg.

We were trying to find connections between Taylor and managers he'd worked for and might act as mentors... then possibly getting a link to an assistant... bit of harmless fun.

Had Taylor been signed by Wilder I could have imagined them buddying up over a mutual appreciation of the Impressionists in the Ashmolean. or a mutual taste for the McColl/Seeger archive in the Callaghan Library at Ruskin.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Monday, March 5, 2018, 19:50:11
Is this why you left the country?

Yes, the shame was too much.  I have also watched the Theatre there, been to the cinema and done some shopping.  Oh and went for a work dinner about 2 years ago.  I practically had a Yellow scarf when you consider all the evidence.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Not that Nice If I'm Honest on Monday, March 5, 2018, 21:07:55
The is no Oxford connection.

Both of them have piss that stains yellow


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, March 5, 2018, 21:24:28
I had to present an award at my old company's gala dinner at the Kassam a few years back. There was a jazz trio playing there called Three's A Crowd. I wore an STFC badge on my DJ, and managed to ask in my speech whether anyone could get me a copy of the poster for the band: "Three's A Crowd at the Kassam Stadium".

Cue loud booing from a section of the audience.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, March 5, 2018, 22:08:09
I had to go in the Kassam once for work!

I attended an exhibition at crapton crate.....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Monday, March 5, 2018, 22:44:41
I attended an exhibition at crapton crate.....

I punched an OAP in the face and broke his glasses there.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Ginginho on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 07:24:16
I had to present an award at my old company's gala dinner at the Kassam a few years back. There was a jazz trio playing there called Three's A Crowd. I wore an STFC badge on my DJ, and managed to ask in my speech whether anyone could get me a copy of the poster for the band: "Three's A Crowd at the Kassam Stadium".

Cue loud booing from a section of the audience.

Brilliant 👏


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 09:00:49
I've played football with and against Oxford fans and I have Oxford fans in my extended family. I've even bought a beer for an Oxford fan. I guess this makes me Pox too?!

People take football rivalries way too seriously.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 09:16:11
Some great pubs in Oxford.

The shanty towns on the outskirts where most of their support live are a world away from the centre.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 09:22:45
I concur. A beautiful city centre which is perfect for a pub crawl.

I have no love for the football club obviously but having an issue with the city itself is an odd one to me.  Aside from on a derby day I have no issue with the fans either, I have 2 oxford supporting friends and unsurprisingly they are normal football fans


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 09:33:56
https://goo.gl/images/PA8Xzs


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 09:58:39
No doubt the intensity of the rivalry has been diluted over recent times.  Hating Oxford is nevertheless an inseparable part of being a Town fan for older fans.  I like a prawn sandwich as much as the next guy but you cannot beat the explosive tension of true football tribalism.  Local "bragging rights" are really a wet rag.

It never feels right to me when a player or manager crosses the divide, a bit like Celtic and Rangers.  Disrespectful.  Or just pitiable if I'm feeling generous.  I will forgive youthful indiscretion however, so Will Henry leaving City Youths or Matty Taylor himself, born in Oxford and once having had a trial there are ok by me.  

Just loved the passion Taylor showed after scoring at Wycombe the other night.  That's a start.  No idea if he has any personal qualities to equip him for management but if he might do it is right that he be given a chance and that might mean ensuring he can benefit from a decent and temporary no. 2.  I think he'll need to be quite strong if he is not to follow in the now discredited lapdog tradition of Cooper and Williams


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 10:15:49
Here ya go to add to it ;)

(https://s13.postimg.org/ncwdo1kuf/cd1ba1e235f5677af07bcc69628619bd.jpg)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Family at War on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 10:39:48
Think you will find that Taylor was born at the JR hospital like so many other people including my son. They draw from a massive area and Taylor went to school in Abingdon as he is from that area.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 11:08:29
The JR hospital was RIGHT NEXT to the Manor Ground!

Taylor OUT!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 11:27:19
Think you will find that Taylor was born at the JR hospital like so many other people including my son. They draw from a massive area and Taylor went to school in Abingdon as he is from that area.
I used to live in Abingdon for a while ... after I lived in Oxford for a few years. I'll hand in my season ticket, burn my shirts and leave the area as soon as a pitchfork wielding mob can be rounded up to see me over the borough boundaries :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 11:35:38
I used to live in Abingdon for a while ... after I lived in Oxford for a few years. I'll hand in my season ticket, burn my shirts and leave the area as soon as a pitchfork wielding mob can be rounded up to see me over the borough boundaries :)

(http://media.giphy.com/media/xT5LMpunhsQIS6wHYI/giphy.gif)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 11:37:04
I used to live in Abingdon for a while ... after I lived in Oxford for a few years. I'll hand in my season ticket, burn my shirts and leave the area as soon as a pitchfork wielding mob can be rounded up to see me over the borough boundaries :)

A more suitable punishment would be to have to still attend matches....

Anyway Abingdon is really in Berkshire...


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 11:43:59
(http://media.giphy.com/media/xT5LMpunhsQIS6wHYI/giphy.gif)
Cheers PF, I'm packing ....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 11:46:21
I concur. A beautiful city centre which is perfect for a pub crawl.

I have no love for the football club obviously but having an issue with the city itself is an odd one to me.  Aside from on a derby day I have no issue with the fans either, I have 2 oxford supporting friends and unsurprisingly they are normal football fans


Have to agree. I briefly attended school in Oxford before moving up to Scotland.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 11:51:44
Think you will find that Taylor was born at the JR hospital like so many other people including my son. They draw from a massive area and Taylor went to school in Abingdon as he is from that area.

Indeed, I was born in the JR and spent the first 2 months of my life in there, and that's despite being from near Burford....

I will get my coat.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 11:52:42
Horlock is a scummer... burn him


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 11:54:35
Ffs, is there no pure blood on this forum?

Scummers the lot of you!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 11:55:32
I was born in Gloucester. So at least I can pretend to hate Cheltenham with extra vigor.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 11:55:55
Used to live across the road from the Manor Ground.
This was just when they were moving through the divisions to the old Div 1 in the 80's.

Must have been my punishment for having done something wrong in a past life.

The AMC cup win there was a glorious moment.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 11:58:20
I was born in Gloucester. So at least I can pretend to hate Cheltenham with extra vigor.

You'll be upsetting PaulD here... an offence greater than any Oxford connection.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 12:01:49
I can't believe the level of Scummery being displayed here. I'm not sure pitchforks is enough, I think Batch is on the money.
God I might inadvertently sit next to any of you at games. I'd be contaminated.
I really don't know what the world is coming to. Life used to be so simple. We hate them, they hate us. We meet up, either they smack me or I smack them.
Nowadays, talking to them WTF.!!! Having them as friends? No, no thrice no. Bloody younger generation. I fear for the world.
What a bunch of Quislings.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 12:08:49
Ffs, is there no pure blood on this forum?

Scummers the lot of you!

I was born in Chippenham and have been to Oxford for the football, to buy a car and to get smashed with some mates who were at Uni there. I'm a 100% moonraker?  :)

Just realised my first game at Oxford was over 25 years ago
http://youtu.be/LOAPJsngxAY


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 12:10:29
God I might inadvertently sit next to any of you at games. I'd be contaminated.

Still probably safer than sitting next to someone on a park bench in Sarum.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 12:12:44
I used to live in Salisbury and can confirm bench related deaths were on the rise even then.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 12:14:14
Quote from: Reg Smeeton
Quote
I was born in Gloucester. So at least I can pretend to hate Cheltenham with extra vigor.
You'll be upsetting PaulD here... an offence greater than any Oxford connection.


it's just a U.. it's not important

;)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 12:15:30
You'll be upsetting PaulD here... an offence greater than any Oxford connection.
 

it's just a U.. it's not important

;)
Yo cnt


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 12:16:10
Pald  :D


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 12:16:45
Still probably safer than sitting next to someone on a park bench in Sarum.
I would have said that but this thread has been an eye opener for me. I'm not so sure now. The world has gone mad.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 12:30:01
Yo cnt

I can.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 12:31:44
Born in Devizes, lived most of my life in Wiltshire before moving up here.

Only time I’ve been to Oxford (other than driving round it every other weekend) except to watch the Town was going to see Rugby at the Tri-pod stadium.

I guess I’m in the old school, just don’t like them.

In fairness after the Rugby there my friends went out drinking in Oxford (I took the boys home), and they were hassled by a group of locals who just wanted to fight them (They were Ponty fans with no link to Swindon)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: stfcjack on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 12:53:15
I've always felt that the hatred mostly appears to be a lot stronger on the oxford side than it does the Swindon, not sure if it's just a feeling or if there is some truth in it


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 13:00:18
You'll be upsetting PaulD here... an offence greater than any Oxford connection.
 

it's just a U.. it's not important

;)

I think Paul is more U than non U....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 13:10:03
1 down against Plymouth.

Taylor out!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 13:15:58
 Bombarding them, now. Some kid called Bancroft is tearing them a new one!

Taylor in!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 13:16:56
1 down against Plymouth.

Taylor out!

There are no first-teamers playing though.  Can't risk any more injuries!

#STFC Team news: Matthews (GK), Giametteii, Spalding, Haines, Romanski, Graham, Rejek, Ouldridge, Dugan, Atik, Bancroft.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 13:23:24
Power talking to Hodgetts about Flitcroft's departure:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0607sqd


Title: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 13:27:32
Just listening.

Mansfield triggered a release clause, hence no scope to fight it.

Matty in this Saturday... see how it pans out but meeting people this week and make decision after this weekend.

lots of candidates. could still be Matty Taylor..

Phil Brown has made it public that he wants job... conversations to be had involving timescales/length of contact .. end of season or more...

Wembley v Mansfield?  Doesn't think he could do another Wembley again:)

Need to all stick together at the moment regardless of who you think should be manager/chairman


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 13:29:58
Be interesting to know what the release clause actually was.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 13:44:37
Horlock is a scummer... burn him

In my defence I only actually know one Ox***d fan, and he is a complete grade A, with bells on fucking tool!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 14:24:31
Be interesting to know what the release clause actually was.
if a shit, norvern club come in, then................................


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 14:25:59
Mmmm. Trying to think how Mansfield would fit the profile of any sensible release clause.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 14:36:35
Mmmm. Trying to think how Mansfield would fit the profile of any sensible release clause.

It was a fee, rather than a clause. I.e. so long as someone offers 50k, we can't stand in his way.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 14:37:24
Ah. Sounds about right.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Honest Lee on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 15:01:20
Mmmm. Trying to think how Mansfield would fit the profile of any sensible release clause.

Could be if he were to go to a club higher than us in the league.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 15:09:10
Nice to hear Mr Power has been "unindated" with applicants :D


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 15:20:05
yes it was a cash release clause.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 16:24:08
I concur. A beautiful city centre which is perfect for a pub crawl.

I have no love for the football club obviously but having an issue with the city itself is an odd one to me.  Aside from on a derby day I have no issue with the fans either, I have 2 oxford supporting friends and unsurprisingly they are normal football fans

Personally I hate the slavetraders much more than the piss stains.  Horrible bunch of mindless morons.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 16:28:42
Personally I hate the slavetraders much more than the piss stains.  Horrible bunch of mindless morons.

Indeed, for a club that has never won anything of note and one that is not particularly well supported they have rather a high opinion of themselves


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 16:32:20
20,000+ average this season is pretty good, tbf. Having a minted fan in charge must be every fan’s dream.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 16:37:37
Indeed, for a club that has never won anything of note and one that is not particularly well supported they have rather a high opinion of themselves

Pre BCFC (1982) Ltd, they did win the Welsh Cup in 1934, beating fellow boyos Tranmere Rovers in the final.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: donkey on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 16:37:55
Indeed, for a club that has never won anything of note and one that is not particularly well supported they have rather a high opinion of themselves

A relatively young club, so not too surprising that they've not won much.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 19:02:43
I've played football with and against Oxford fans and I have Oxford fans in my extended family. I've even bought a beer for an Oxford fan. I guess this makes me Pox too?!

People take football rivalries way too seriously.


This. +1


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Not that Nice If I'm Honest on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 19:23:26
Well, I was born in the Radcliffe, and lived in Blackbird Leys until I was 4 !!

But luckily moved away and the rest is History.

Always lived in places that were 50/50ish, and everyone generally got on fine - Milton, Burford, Wantage
But it could get fractious on Derby day


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: china red on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 20:39:41
Have a lot of Oxford fans at work, I like beating them but it’s no different than any other game for me.  Have a lot more hatred for MK


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 20:49:22
well I can understand that. I don't want Oxford to go bust, I just  want them to be shit and miserable.

Franchise can go to the liquidators.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 20:55:25
well I can understand that. I don't want Oxford to go bust, I just  want them to be shit and miserable.

Franchise can go to the liquidators.

I have more hatred towards Reading fans. Well certain types. That's personal experience and I know they aren't all like it but a guy a few years back (during PdC season) started being a complete cunt when I got put onto a rail replacement bus. Started all billy big bollocks "What the fuck you doing on our buses you prick" trying to antagonise.  Some old dear stands up as I just ignored him and goes "shut up you idiot, you're only jealous". He shut up granted. So glad I rely on the old folk to fight my battles...just waiting to hear some reference to war and the good old days. Na only joking, the guy was a public tosspot, the best of it was, Reading weren't even playing that day!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 21:08:27
Was he the driver?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 21:13:48
I know three brothers who are pox fans, born and originate from there until the family moved to Calne. Really nice fellas, all three of em.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: donkey on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 21:41:23
well I can understand that. I don't want Oxford to go bust, I just  want them to be shit and miserable.

Franchise can go to the liquidators.

Agree with every word.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Ells on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 22:34:01
well I can understand that. I don't want Oxford to go bust, I just  want them to be shit and miserable.

Franchise can go to the liquidators.

 :nod:

I've met nice people from most clubs and that softens me up a bit, but MK I will still hate viscerally regardless.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Combe Up on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 22:34:53
I won't even give to Oxfam.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 23:44:27
:nod:

I've met nice people from most clubs and that softens me up a bit, but MK I will still hate viscerally regardless.


Yes MKFranchise and all their Wimbledon deserters can go screw a concrete cow. Have enjoyed watching AFC Wimbledon rise back as a FL Club :) Hope they stay up and MK look as good as down.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 23:47:18
Was he the driver?

 :soapy tit wank: I don't think so. He only had three fingers and no teeth.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 6, 2018, 23:58:16
Was his name Pete?  :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 00:04:40
Was his name Pete?  :)

Sorry I'm not following  ??? Unless you mean Pirate Pete?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 00:13:20
Blackadder series 1
Three fingered Pete


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 11:14:32
Phil Brown watched a game of football yesterday evening....

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/16069728.Brown_watches_Town_s_next_opponents_in_midweek_draw/

The Tanfastic appointment could be on!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 12:41:25
Apologies if it's been posted elsewhere, but here's Shaun Hodgetts talking to Lee Power about Flitcroft leaving and the next manager. It's obviously what the Advertiser are quoting from.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0607sqd (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0607sqd)

I note Power has been "unindated" with calls about the manger's job.... 8)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 12:47:35
Apologies if it's been posted elsewhere

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0607sqd (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0607sqd)


It has, but always good 'ICYMI' I believe the acronym goes.

Quote
I note Power has been "unindated" with calls about the manger's job.... 8)

Yes, but 6436 of those were from Sol Campbell.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 12:57:59
Apologies if it's been posted elsewhere, but here's Shaun Hodgetts talking to Lee Power about Flitcroft leaving and the next manager. It's obviously what the Advertiser are quoting from.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0607sqd (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0607sqd)

I note Power has been "unindated" with calls about the manger's job.... 8)

It did not go unnoticed ;)

Nice to hear Mr Power has been "unindated" with applicants :D


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 13:10:18

Yes, but 6436 of those were from Sol Campbell.

Wasn't there someone on here who always used to apply for the job!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 13:39:51
Phil Brown watched a game of football yesterday evening....

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/16069728.Brown_watches_Town_s_next_opponents_in_midweek_draw/

Plausible that he’s helping Taylor, who he’ll know a bit (Bolton?), with scouting.

The Tanfastic appointment could be on!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 13:57:26
I have more hatred towards Reading fans. Well certain types. That's personal experience and I know they aren't all like it but a guy a few years back (during PdC season) started being a complete cunt when I got put onto a rail replacement bus. Started all billy big bollocks "What the fuck you doing on our buses you prick" trying to antagonise.  Some old dear stands up as I just ignored him and goes "shut up you idiot, you're only jealous". He shut up granted. So glad I rely on the old folk to fight my battles...just waiting to hear some reference to war and the good old days. Na only joking, the guy was a public tosspot, the best of it was, Reading weren't even playing that day!
Should have smacked him.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Victor Mildew on Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 14:52:57
I know three brothers who are pox fans, born and originate from there until the family moved to Calne. Really nice fellas, all three of em.
I used to play Football with all three of them as you said good lads.....only two would admit to being Scum fans the other is a Gooner the Old man is also a scummer


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 16:05:50
Interesting snippet from Chippenham.

Apparently, Flitcroft recalled Twine the day before he left, citing we only had 14 fit players.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 16:08:17
Interesting snippet from Chippenham.

Apparently, Flitcroft recalled Twine the day before he left, citing we only had 14 fit players.

Was you posting a link AB?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 16:08:18
Interesting snippet from Chippenham.

Apparently, Flitcroft recalled Twine the day before he left, citing we only had 14 fit players.

Another one must have gone down then because I made it 15....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 17:10:16
I used to play Football with all three of them as you said good lads.....only two would admit to being Scum fans the other is a Gooner the Old man is also a scummer
Oh, Oh.... the annual post ?.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Wednesday, March 7, 2018, 17:24:13
I used to play Football with all three of them as you said good lads.....only two would admit to being Scum fans the other is a Gooner the Old man is also a scummer

Young un? The two older ones are definitely Pox, and dad too  :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Victor Mildew on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 08:55:47
Young un? The two older ones are definitely Pox, and dad too  :)


Young un and oldest Pox middle one Gooner


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 09:15:02
Dave? Oh, thinking about it,  yes!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 09:57:57
Classic Dave


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 10:34:15
I see Bet Victor have Peter Taylor 2nd favourite at 6/4 after Phill Brown 1/2.

Neither inspire me with much enthusiasm TBH.

I think Power has decided on Brown though, he has experience even if hes not that great on paper.

He will probably bring along his Southend assistant manager and former Town loan defender Graham Coughlan too.

Speaking to a couple of Southend fans they all say the same thing, he has some good some bad, he can sort out defences fairly well but often is far too defensive.

He plays a percentage game based on science and statistics using ProZone stats with a lot of very direct long ball much as he was taught by Big Sam after being his assisant at Blackpool and Bolton for many years.

He isn't the football playing style of manager many Town fans seem to crave but he has had some good results in the past at this level and higher.

I think all the best sides are built on good defences but you do need a bit of attacking skill to win games.

If he is indeed appointed after the CHeltenham game then lets see what he can bring to the plate, even though at this stage I personally would prefer Taylor to be given a chance.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 10:39:30
BetVictor have messed up there. They actually mean Matty Taylor not Peter.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 10:49:46
BetVictor have messed up there. They actually mean Matty Taylor not Peter.
Thank fuck for that.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 10:55:42
Not saying that he takes the fake tan to extremes, but when I first flagged up his Wiki page to have a look  at his manager stats I migrated away from it as being the wrong Phil Brown as he looked like a black guy in the picture.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Brown_(footballer,_born_1959)

At least would save a few quid getting a trained electrician into the club.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 10:59:36
Not saying that he takes the fake tan to extremes, but when I first flagged up his Wiki page to have a look  at his manager stats I migrated away from it as being the wrong Phil Brown as he looked like a black guy in the picture.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Brown_(footballer,_born_1959)

At least would save a few quid getting a trained electrician into the club.
Or a woodworker to treat his deep mahogany lustre.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 11:04:58
the problem with improving the defence is that we don't have the personnel. The defence is injured and the midfield are better going forward (when not injured/suspended).

Meh.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 11:11:14
the problem with improving the defence is that we don't have the personnel. The defence is injured and the midfield are better going forward (when not injured/suspended).

Meh.
Indeed, when you have no  personnel you cannot improve, unless you retrain players from other positions, always a gamble.

Unless he, or whoever comes in, knows of a free agent or 2 that they can rely on even if its short term.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 11:33:30
Well i suppose you can improve by changing formation/tactics. But I don't think that's playing to our strengths and we don't want to miss out on a playoff place with a Paul Hart approach.

If whoever the new new manager doesn't spot this then he shouldn't be the new manager!

Anyway... any new unexpected names popping up?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 11:35:12
the problem with improving the defence is that we don't have the personnel. The defence is injured and the midfield are better going forward (when not injured/suspended).

Meh.

In the case of Banks he won't have played a game in over a month.  Sometimes you get a 3 game ban, the matches come Tuesday/Sat/ Tuesday so it's not too bad. With te postponement he'll be going from 24th Feb - 30th March.

It's these little things which cost over a season


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ferret on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 12:27:21
In the case of Banks he won't have played a game in over a month.  Sometimes you get a 3 game ban, the matches come Tuesday/Sat/ Tuesday so it's not too bad. With te postponement he'll be going from 24th Feb - 30th March.

It's these little things which cost over a season

Whereas you're probably right, I can't understand why Yeovil hasn't yet been rearranged. I was expecting it to come on 20th, or perhaps 27th. Where's the delay?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 12:30:37
Whereas you're probably right, I can't understand why Yeovil hasn't yet been rearranged. I was expecting it to come on 20th, or perhaps 27th. Where's the delay?

Yeovil may still be in the Boycott trophy ?  Don't know just a thought.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 12:39:08
Remember it was Brown that insisted on playing Nile Ranger at southend, he was only sacked in January so assume he must have been paid up to be able to jump back into a job quickly.

I know the idea of experience may get us over the line and back into L1, but equally a younger manager with an experienced no 2, new ideas, new tactics, fresh approach

I'm torn on what type of manager we want next, the only thing I'd like is more football rather than hoofball for 90 mins


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 12:44:53
Yeovil may still be in the Boycott trophy ?  Don't know just a thought.

Apparently Shrewsbury are playing Lincoln in the final, so the Shrew at work tells me.

Not sure how two Nothern teams make the final, but I'm not exactly shocked .


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 12:52:58
Brown is an experienced version of Flitcroft - very unappealing, but I can see how it might work as a continuation.  The defence can certainly be improved, just getting them to meet each other would be a start.  They do not play as a unit since being shoved into a back three.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 12:58:19
Yeovil may still be in the Boycott trophy ?  Don't know just a thought.

They’ve just lost to Shrewsbury, don’t know if that was a first leg though


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 12:58:48

I'm torn on what type of manager we want next, the only thing I'd like is more football rather than hoofball for 90 mins

Listening to Powers interview i think he is too. Brown to continue the flitcroft approach and get us over the line this season makes sense. Does Power want Brown trying to take a league on club forward playing this way? I don't think he does otherwise length of contract isn't a consideration for the correct person.

I don't think you have to be direct to get out the division, look at Luton. I'd rather a manager who can build something over longer than one season. If that costs us this years promotion then i guess so be it.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 13:03:32
Well i suppose you can improve by changing formation/tactics. But I don't think that's playing to our strengths and we don't want to miss out on a playoff place with a Paul Hart approach.

In fairness Paul Hart had always been wheeled into clubs in trouble because they were poor defensively, so he could make them more solid at the back and give them a chance to win games.

With us the opposite was true, we were struggling to score goals so he had no idea of how to turn it around.

Actually (and I’m not suggesting we do it) he would probably be better suited to taking on this job than he was last time


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 13:20:15
Remember it was Brown that insisted on playing Nile Ranger at southend, he was only sacked in January so assume he must have been paid up to be able to jump back into a job quickly.

I know the idea of experience may get us over the line and back into L1, but equally a younger manager with an experienced no 2, new ideas, new tactics, fresh approach

I'm torn on what type of manager we want next, the only thing I'd like is more football rather than hoofball for 90 mins
According to the Southend forum hes been put on gardening leave until the Summer.


They’ve just lost to Shrewsbury, don’t know if that was a first leg though
Nope living near Yeovil I can confirm they made a big thing of them going to Wembley again backed by a massive following on Tuesday of almost 300 ;) they are definately out of it.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 14:03:33
According to the Southend forum hes been put on gardening leave until the Summer.

Nope living near Yeovil I can confirm they made a big thing of them going to Wembley again backed by a massive following on Tuesday of almost 300 ;) they are definately out of it.

So it might have been the possibility of Boycott games preventing the re-arranged game. 


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 14:20:22
So it might have been the possibility of Boycott games preventing the re-arranged game. 
I think that is highly likely.

I hope after missing out on Wembley their players heads drop a bit now that they have little to play for as they are in a "fairly" safe mid table position.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: leftside on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 20:40:13
I'm torn on what type of manager we want next, the only thing I'd like is more football rather than hoofball for 90 mins
I know it wasn't great but that's just nonsense.

70 mins.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 21:07:17
I know it wasn't great but that's just nonsense.

70 mins.

and to be fair to Flitcroft, we hardly ever peaked over 55% possession, and he can hardly be blamed for the shit football the other teams have been serving up.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ferret on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 21:19:32
So it might have been the possibility of Boycott games preventing the re-arranged game. 

Well the only remaining game would have been the final, on a weekend in April.

I’d have assumed we’d be playing them on a Tuesday in late March, which would of course be unrelated. And either way they went out on Tuesday.

It’s not a massive issue, perhaps we are keen to let it drag on to the extent that we have to play it in mid April, to keep a game in hand in the bag. I’m not sure what the rules are on that sort of thing, but the party line tends to be that they need to be played ASAP.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, March 8, 2018, 22:33:12
Well the only remaining game would have been the final, on a weekend in April.

I’d have assumed we’d be playing them on a Tuesday in late March, which would of course be unrelated. And either way they went out on Tuesday.

It’s not a massive issue, perhaps we are keen to let it drag on to the extent that we have to play it in mid April, to keep a game in hand in the bag. I’m not sure what the rules are on that sort of thing, but the party line tends to be that they need to be played ASAP.

Yes. Played as soon as is practicably possible and importantly, where the two teams concerned both agree on the date to be played then informed to the Football League. If an agreement cannot be met then the Football League will set the date.

or the official line... 28.1 In the event of any League Match not being played owing to Football Association Cup Matches, weather or other causes over which neither Club has any control or being ordered to be replayed it shall be played on a date to be mutually arranged, but at the earliest reasonable opportunity and in any event prior to the last scheduled round of fixtures in the Normal Playing Season. Both Clubs shall notify The League of such arrangements within seven days of the postponement being identified, for the approval of The League. Any League Match not so arranged shall have its date fixed by The League. 28.2 Notwithstanding the provisions of Regulation 28.1, The League reserves the right at any time to reschedule a League Match after consultation with and consideration of representations from the Clubs involved.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, March 9, 2018, 00:52:27
Well the only remaining game would have been the final, on a weekend in April.

I’d have assumed we’d be playing them on a Tuesday in late March, which would of course be unrelated. And either way they went out on Tuesday.

It’s not a massive issue, perhaps we are keen to let it drag on to the extent that we have to play it in mid April, to keep a game in hand in the bag. I’m not sure what the rules are on that sort of thing, but the party line tends to be that they need to be played ASAP.

I did ask why we had to play the games at Accy and Stevenage, within a week of each other around the Lincoln away game.  Bamboo suggested it had to be the earliest opportunity... but his latest post suggests an element of mutuality, which can be overridden by the FL.   However you'd have thought, more likely to get a better crowd in say late March, than Jan/first week of Feb.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Friday, March 9, 2018, 08:57:08
I am definitely in the "give it to Taylor until the end of the season" camp.  If it goes wrong, so be it, bring in somebody to get us out next season.  Hire Brown now and he does manage to get us out, I think we will be in a for a midtable/relegation battle next season.  However, if Taylor turns out to be the next JFH/Rosler that hits the ground running in their early years of management, it could just turn out to be a promotion push this year and next.

I for one and willing to take that risk.  I don't think Power will be though..


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 9, 2018, 09:14:33
I am definitely in the "give it to Taylor until the end of the season" camp.  If it goes wrong, so be it, bring in somebody to get us out next season.  Hire Brown now and he does manage to get us out, I think we will be in a for a midtable/relegation battle next season.  However, if Taylor turns out to be the next JFH/Rosler that hits the ground running in their early years of management, it could just turn out to be a promotion push this year and next.

I for one and willing to take that risk.  I don't think Power will be though..
Exactly how I feel too.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 9, 2018, 10:10:45
+1, me too. (Although not in the hashtag sense)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: donkey on Friday, March 9, 2018, 12:13:55
I'll throw my not inconsiderate weight behind the idea too.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Power to people on Friday, March 9, 2018, 13:04:25
I'm really torn over it, I feel we have a good chance this season, and we want out of this league, I think ultimately it may come down to how we perform on Sat, ok 1 game does not say a lot but if there is renewed fight from the players really looking like they want the game and they are clearly up for it then maybe just maybe give him until the end of the season, but if the opposite is the case then maybe it is too risky with Taylor.

I have a feeling though that with the fans behind the team on sat more so than under fillters and will probably be willing to forgive the odd mistake as Flitcroft has gone it is potentially Taylor's to lose.

On the subject of should Taylor play himself, I think he may opt to put himself on the bench so he can manage from the sidelines if he is serious about the job I think it would be to tough being in charge and playing as he would be analysing the play and may be not putting enough into his own performance.

Let think back for a minute though the last time we allowed a player(s) to step in as caretaker manager....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 9, 2018, 13:49:03
It would be a mistake to make any decision based off one game, be it good, bad or indifferent;

Either Power wants Taylor to have the job, or he doesn't. But he must surely have already made his mind up on that.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, March 9, 2018, 14:02:06
has player manager ever really worked out? obviously I want it to. in theory the work is done midweek and the assistant manager has plan a, b etc to roll out when taylor wants to.

Be interesting to see the lineup tomorrow. It doesn't need too much drastic change though, we have won 5 home games on the spin with a big injury list. its not exactly a shite situation that needs a massive review. those that still talk about style of play, since the new year I think we have played quite well and that the games have been far from boring.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Costanza on Friday, March 9, 2018, 14:04:29
(https://fraserdigbyswashbag.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/glenn-hoddle.jpg?w=240)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 9, 2018, 14:05:23
has player manager ever really worked out? obviously I want it to. in theory the work is done midweek and the assistant manager has plan a, b etc to roll out when taylor wants to.

Be interesting to see the lineup tomorrow. It doesn't need too much drastic change though, we have won 5 home games on the spin with a big injury list. its not exactly a shite situation that needs a massive review. those that still talk about style of play, since the new year I think we have played quite well and that the games have been far from boring.
Kenny Dalgliesh at Liverpool, Graham Souness at Rangers, Glenn Hoddle, Ossie Ardiles, Steve Macmahon and Lou Macari didn't do bad for us!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, March 9, 2018, 14:07:03
(https://fraserdigbyswashbag.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/glenn-hoddle.jpg?w=240)

an obvious exception but it was a genuine question as I imagine examples of success are quite rare? Just seems a huge task to be able to focus on your own performance whilst worrying about others. in my head there needs to a be a separation between mates and managers.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Costanza on Friday, March 9, 2018, 14:09:06
Player-managers are simply out of fashion nowadays. There used to be loads.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, March 9, 2018, 14:16:26
It would be a mistake to make any decision based off one game, be it good, bad or indifferent;

Either Power wants Taylor to have the job, or he doesn't. But he must surely have already made his mind up on that.

We're playing Cheltnum, normal rules don't apply here....

Our record against them is bizarre.  Chelthum have never finished above us ever, and probably won't this season.  Of the previous league campaigns we've shared, they've been relegated twice.  When they beat us 5-0 in the Cup they got relegated to the Conference.

They've won 7/11 encounters... it took Oxford 44 matches and 30+ years to win 7

You'd imagine that Richards getting the PoM award at the expense of Eisa means one thing....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, March 9, 2018, 14:16:48
Player-managers are simply out of fashion nowadays. There used to be loads.

yeh just did a search for a success rate %. managers with no managerial experience average 33% on one article.

“Being a manager these days is so demanding that it’s almost impossible to be playing as well. These days the manager has a million-and-one jobs to do. You have to be a financial advisor, schoolteacher, psychologist and a statistician. You have to plan training sessions, assess injuries, analyse match data, scout opponents and potential signings, deal with agents and players. It’s a 24/7 job and it’s no wonder they aren’t any player-managers any more.”

“I asked my players to train as they would play and to play as they would train,” he says. “If I had to miss a training session because I had a meeting or another managerial commitment then I couldn’t practice what I preached and that would mean I wasn't being fair to the players. It’s such a tough job and I felt like I was back at Arsenal as a 16-year-old learning my trade all over again. There’s so much to take in that I’d only play as a last resort.”
Read more at https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/just-where-have-all-player-managers-gone#jQwOxkBAiLic7DGL.99

Paul Dickov

It is a tough ask. If he does well I can see him retiring but he is our best left back and chance creator.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, March 9, 2018, 14:20:59
Player-managers are simply out of fashion nowadays. There used to be loads.

Much of the coach/managers armoury is about strategic subs these days... that wasn't the case a few years back. If you're on the pitch, it is more or less impossible to get a feel for what needs changing.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Berniman on Friday, March 9, 2018, 14:27:22
Player Manager only works if you have a trusted assistant on the side lines strong enough to overrule and make decisions during game time.  That would be a huge risk for Taylor.

As I said previously, this is an interview for the next stage of his career, he would be bonkers to try to player manage.  He needs to be in a suit on Saturday.

Stick Hussey in if fit.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 9, 2018, 14:28:29
we've won 2 drawn 1 against Nam at home in last 3. the hoodoo is in GLOUCESTERshire.

player managers is one question, but we are talking internal promotion too. Never been a fan of those, and while Taylor may buck the trend is a big risk.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, March 9, 2018, 14:35:10
we've won 2 drawn 1 against Nam at home in last 3. the hoodoo is in GLOUCESTERshire.

True, but I'm not re-assured, there's just something about this being the first game, after Flitters desertion, that stinks of Cheltnumb.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Friday, March 9, 2018, 14:38:03
Player Manager only works if you have a trusted assistant on the side lines strong enough to overrule and make decisions during game time.  That would be a huge risk for Taylor.

As I said previously, this is an interview for the next stage of his career, he would be bonkers to try to player manage.  He needs to be in a suit on Saturday.

Stick Hussey in if fit.

When i said taylor is our best left back that was forgetting hussey. which isnt hard, seems like a season ago he played. started really well with us and if we can get him back to form then a suited taylor would be a good option. without a hussey taylor just has to play without a doubt and thats where the concern creeps in.

its not like taylor has been playing bad and management is an easier decision. he would probably be my player of the season and im sure he knows he has a lot to offer as player still which wont make it any easier


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 9, 2018, 14:40:24
Home and away       P11 W2 D2 L7 F9 A21 27.3% wr
Home games            P5 W2 D2 L2 F7 A8 50% wr
Home league games P4 W2 D1 L1 F6 A5 62.5% wr

In league games they have beaten us 3 times in the last 7 games, all away with 2 wins and 2 draws.

They haven't beaten us at the CG since 2003 in the league (the JPT defeat in 2007 can be ignored as we fielded a weakened team).

As Batch says the hoodoo is more in Gloucestershire not at the CG.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, March 9, 2018, 14:49:09
Home and away       P11 W2 D2 L7 F9 A21 27.3% wr
Home games            P5 W2 D2 L2 F7 A8 50% wr
Home league games P4 W2 D1 L1 F6 A5 62.5% wr

In league games they have beaten us 3 times in the last 7 games, all away with 2 wins and 2 draws.

They haven't beaten us at the CG since 2003 in the league (the JPT defeat in 2007 can be ignored as we fielded a weakened team).

As Batch says the hoodoo is more in Gloucestershire not at the CG.

Nevertheless we've still a negative GD at the CG.  As pointed out, they've never finished above us been relegated 3 times, because they've never had a particularly good team.. we could stick out a stiffs team for an AMC fixture at The Manor and still win. 

Our recent problem wth Oxford has largely been since they moved to the Kassam, where we've yet to score a goal


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, March 9, 2018, 16:54:47
Still would like Rosler. Could still happen. Taylor currently on a see how you go basis. If he is a revelation, then as others have said. It could be the start of something great. A promotion at the first time of asking would be great forward momentum going into L1. Just missing out wouldn't be a massive problem, even if it bore initial disappointment. The trouble with next season in L2, I don't think we could attract a decent manager for the future. We could easily get Brown with a similar remit to DF. Get us promoted with nice bonus or if not, we part company. That's not stability though. Taylor is our Lottery Ticket at this moment and it's like we currently have 4 balls on a Wednesday night but will just miss out. Rosler would be 5 or 5 and the bonus, enough to build a future with and will be able to use it well. Brown would be 3 balls and while he'll have some good contacts I don't see enough progression with him. Taylor (if he does well and gets offered the job) with Rob Page as assistant would be my theory and a combination that could work if we are to go down the "new, young, fresh" route.

Linking to the Welsh U21 Coach here and a totally different side note - with Preston sitting one point outside the play-off places, Billy Bodin could be a Premier League player next season.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Friday, March 9, 2018, 17:03:34
How can Taylor be a ‘revelation’ without being given the job til season’s end.

Is getting to the play offs but not winning them sufficient success for getting the job next season.

I can’t see it, but I hope there is a decent turnout for Taylor tomorrow.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, March 9, 2018, 17:15:31
Still would like Rosler. Could still happen. Taylor currently on a see how you go basis. If he is a revelation, then as others have said. It could be the start of something great. A promotion at the first time of asking would be great forward momentum going into L1. Just missing out wouldn't be a massive problem, even if it bore initial disappointment. The trouble with next season in L2, I don't think we could attract a decent manager for the future. We could easily get Brown with a similar remit to DF. Get us promoted with nice bonus or if not, we part company. That's not stability though. Taylor is our Lottery Ticket at this moment and it's like we currently have 4 balls on a Wednesday night but will just miss out. Rosler would be 5 or 5 and the bonus, enough to build a future with and will be able to use it well. Brown would be 3 balls and while he'll have some good contacts I don't see enough progression with him. Taylor (if he does well and gets offered the job) with Rob Page as assistant would be my theory and a combination that could work if we are to go down the "new, young, fresh" route.

Linking to the Welsh U21 Coach here and a totally different side note - with Preston sitting one point outside the play-off places, Billy Bodin could be a Premier League player next season.

Out of interest why do you think Rosler would be good if we were in Div 3 next year.  This season he got Fleetwood into the relegation zone., despite having the sort of chairman who's big on community links and has provided them with an 8 mill, state of the art for Div 3, training facility.

There's no evidence that Rosler, unlike say Flitcroft would be able to work effectively with a limited budget and basic infrastructure and support etc.

Brown, not sure he'll have worked with those constraints, at Sarfend he could get a Simon Cox, the sort who'd be well beyond our budget as things stand.

I guess ideally we'd get in someone like Luke Garrard.... young but with a bit of experience who as far as I know, and to be honest that's fuck all about Boreham Wood, will be adding value to limited budget.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Friday, March 9, 2018, 20:14:21
Swindon fans love to give a new manager a chance don't they?

A quote from some fuckwit on Facebook:

Quote
Matty Taylor, popular with most fans and I'm sure will have good support tomorrow which will help create a good atmosphere, or Phil Brown who already is dividing opinions with the fans?
He hasn't even been appointed and he's already got some of our twattish fans on his back.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, March 9, 2018, 20:30:30
Swindon fans love to give a new manager a chance don't they?

A quote from some fuckwit on Facebook:
He hasn't even been appointed and he's already got some of our twattish fans on his back.

I promise that wasn't me  :soapy tit wank:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 9, 2018, 20:36:47
Sorry Bob, don't see what's wrong with the Brown part of that statement. He is dividing opinion on whether he'd be any good for us or not.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Friday, March 9, 2018, 20:41:23
So if he is appointed he's going to have half the fans against him from the off and who will be on his back after the first defeat/poor display/defensive fuck up or whatever else......


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Friday, March 9, 2018, 20:43:30
My point is that if the fans have decided a manager is going to be crap before he is even appointed it's clearly not going to end well.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 9, 2018, 20:50:20
it's hard to know without seeing the context of the thread what was meant.

can't say I'd be excited if he's appointed myself. doesn't mean I'd jump on his back/ not get behind the team.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, March 9, 2018, 20:52:26
Out of interest why do you think Rosler would be good if we were in Div 3 next year.  This season he got Fleetwood into the relegation zone., despite having the sort of chairman who's big on community links and has provided them with an 8 mill, state of the art for Div 3, training facility.

There's no evidence that Rosler, unlike say Flitcroft would be able to work effectively with a limited budget and basic infrastructure and support etc.

I guess there's an element of judging him on his last job...and while "we're only as good as our last day" he has managed to nearly get both Brentford and Wigan in the play-offs, in L1 & Championship respectively. I think we all know Power will spend when there is mutual agreement to spend on the right potential asset. He spent a decent chunk on Woolery. Flitcroft's style i'd say, couldn't get the best out of him. So he would have support for the right players. I do think Rosler's management style would get the most out of the players and we'd have one of the fittest squads again. If we were in L1 next season I'd say top 10 finish.  I can't believe you're effectively saying that Rosler would not be able to get more out of the current squad than Flitcroft? Rosler is definitely a better calibre of manager.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Friday, March 9, 2018, 21:18:33
can't say I'd be excited if he's appointed myself. doesn't mean I'd jump on his back
That'd be really funny though. I have a mental image of an enraged Phil Brown running up and down in front of the dugout trying to shake you off as you ride him piggy back up and down in front of the Arkells. I'd pay good money to watch that.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 9, 2018, 21:22:48
I too definately see Rosler as a better manager and the stats seem to back that up.

Rosler is a better man manager and gets his teams playing football rather than the long ball percentage game of Brown who is like Flitcroft in his style, which personally doesn't appeal to me as much as Rosler does.

By comparion -
Phil Brown
Bolton        6 games 66.7% wr
Derby       33 games 21.2% wr
Hull        157 games 33.1% wr
Preston     51 games 29.4% wr
Southend 251 games 39.0% wr
-----------------------------------
Overall     498 games 35.3% wr


Uwe Rosler  
Lillestrom   55 games 42.6% wr
Viking        89 games 41.6% wr
Molde          8 games 75.0% wr
Brentford  136 games 44.1% wr
Wigan         55 games 40.0% wr
Leeds          12 games 16.7% wr
Fleetwood  102 games 42.2% wr
-------------------------------------
Overall       457 games 42.5% wr

David Flitcroft
Barnsley  45 games 31.1% wr
Bury      157 games 40.8% wr
Swindon  42 games 50.0% wr
Mansfield   1 game    0.0% wr
----------------------------------
Overall   245 games 40.5% wr

I know its a fairly basic comparison but the win ratio does show a fair difference between the managers.

If Brown gets the job I will obviously give him time to get his side together how he wants with his own players but I don't feel overly confident that he will get us promoted, I am not entirely sure that anyone can get us promoted now with our injuries and suspensions but lets see.

I wasn't a fan of appointing Flitcroft when he joined and in the main he did an ok job, I feel Brown will be the same, if we go up then I am not sure Brown has enough about him to take us to the next level, Rosler on the other hand does IMO.

As for taylor, he may he may not but I would like him to be given a few games to try and prove his worth but Power has said he will appoint a new manager in the coming week.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, March 9, 2018, 23:43:41
Yes, and if you take out his management period at Molde (just 8 games) in which interestingly I think he kept them up and his time at Leeds (12 games) which I can't really count because they've changed their manager so much. Take them away and his win rate is pretty consistent from 40% - 44.1% in his managerial career to date. I'd have had him when he was at Brentford and I would have him at Town now.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Saturday, March 10, 2018, 00:46:01
I haven't read back as I can't be arsed, but has Phil Brown managed at this level before?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Saturday, March 10, 2018, 01:30:08
I haven't read back as I can't be arsed, but has Phil Brown managed at this level before?

Pretty sure he got Sarfend promoted out of L2.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, March 10, 2018, 02:04:46
Rosler is definitely a better calibre of manager.

I don't see it.... Flitters came into essentially a broken club, no pre-season, no infrastructure, a few players.... late.  Not ideal, in my opinion Rosler would not have been able, at such short notice, given the circumstances to have stabilised us.

When he got Brentford they were bankrolled by Benham... apparent moneyball man, he's reckoned to have put 90 mill into the Bees.

He's now got Dean Smith... not a name but has done  a decent job, added value to the squad and just outside the PO's.

Smith is a sort of Flitters type, even had Purkiss at Walsall. Power can only dream of being as successful as Benham... his club collecting includes Midtjylland in Denmark who managed to win a leg v Manure in the UEFA Cup a couple of years ago.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, March 12, 2018, 14:28:04
Carrick retiring at the end of the season, sure he must still have a soft spot for us....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, March 12, 2018, 15:44:09
Carrick retiring at the end of the season, sure he must still have a soft spot for us....

Akin to stepping in a pile of dog poo, then yes he may well have.

Wonder if Russell Slade has expressed an interest?
The GOT spoilers thread would go into meltdown.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: tans on Monday, March 12, 2018, 16:18:28
On another note, he comes out with the same shit everywhere doesnt he..


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Power to people on Monday, March 12, 2018, 16:19:46
On another note, he comes out with the same shit everywhere doesnt he..

He's probably got a book of phrases he uses at every club


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, March 12, 2018, 17:08:06
On another note, he comes out with the same shit everywhere doesnt he..

No doubt Angol will be shipped out/released/sold then  :D


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Monday, March 12, 2018, 18:09:56
I haven't read back as I can't be arsed, but has Phil Brown managed at this level before?

Let's not be too harsh on Phil Brown. He was manager when this happened.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K7ODr0co5Zw

He also played against us in the mammoth league cup tie with Bolton in 1989/90


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Costanza on Monday, March 12, 2018, 18:16:30
I expected some news today. Poor, naive me.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 12, 2018, 18:43:18
Quote from: Costanza
I expected some news today. Poor, naive me.

Yeah, there was 'literally' no way you could have known...


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 12, 2018, 18:58:47
BREAKING : @BBCWiltsSport understands former Southend boss Phil Brown will be the @Official_STFC manager until the end of the season, assisted by Brian Horton #stfc


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:01:54
BREAKING : @BBCWiltsSport understands former Southend boss Phil Brown will be the @Official_STFC manager until the end of the season, assisted by Brian Horton #stfc
Brian Horton will not make Chalkies shorts very happy!

Not exactly come out of the blue.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:04:38
Brian Horton will not make Chalkies shorts very happy!

Not exactly come out of the blue.
Horton is a scummer. No fucking need for it


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Quagmire on Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:09:48
Good to see Taylor being kept on as player/coach though.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:15:18
Would this appointment qualify the club for having  done its bit under the Rooney Rule?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:21:29
Would this appointment qualify the club for having  done its bit under the Rooney Rule?

 :) naughty....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:22:41
Very sensible short term appointment.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:23:12
A chance to be a hero, Phil. Get it done.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:24:04
Rooney rule is only for FA roles afaik

Not sure what to make of this - he’s had a couple of promotions in his career, and kept Southend comfortably in league one. But he’s a bit of a figure of fun (for good reason) and a little underwhelming

It feels like a bit of a poisoned job at the moment anyway - we’ve got so many injuries and I get the sense the team was playing about as well as they could under flitcroft. Ultimately it’s the right decision now to get a bit of experience in and try and guide the team to the end of the season, but unless Brown gets us promoted I’d like to see a younger, fresher manager given the keys for next season (be that Taylor or A.N. Other)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Ginginho on Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:24:31
Not overwhelmed but still satisfied we've appointed a reputable manager so quickly.

Let's see what he can do with this very mediocre squad.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:25:05
Not overwhelmed but still satisfied we've appointed a reputable manager so quickly.

Let's see what he can do with this very mediocre squad.

Very much this.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Stef Troll on Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:26:04
Good appointment, happy with this. Should make playoffs now.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Ticker45 on Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:26:15
Hope we can get the new manager "bounce" for the next ten games.  :nod:


Title: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:28:58
On one hand I think he's living off his Hull reputation a fair bit, but on the other he did take Southend up.

He's only here for 10 games for now, so let's see where it takes us.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:29:10
Our first Geordie manager?

"Sleeping giant".
Phil, you are more than welcome with having a good go at waking us up.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:29:30
He must know of a few out of work CBs as well. I still reckon we'll see one come in.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Sir red ken on Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:31:01
Horton is a scummer. No fucking need for it
Agreed, that's totally out of order. No one from the P1ss stains should be employed by our club. Not now not ever.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:31:09
Sendles-White is out of contract.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:32:31
Our first Geordie manager?

"Sleeping giant".
Phil, you are more than welcome with having a good go at waking us up.

Phil is a Sanddancer.... nay a Geordie.

You can't expect him to know we're a sleepingminnow


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: penhillbilly on Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:34:09
Nile Ranger on a free maybe?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:34:30
Quote from: Reg Smeeton
sleepingminnow

old skool Reg!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:34:45
Quote from: penhillbilly
Nile Ranger on a free maybe?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:
er, no.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:44:28
I expected some news today. Poor, naive me.

I see they waited until you gave up hope for the day :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Posh Red on Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:46:05
Nile Ranger on a free maybe?  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Can he play Centre Back?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:46:40
Quite happy with that  appointment,  could have been a lot worse, nice to see Power react so quickly after Saturdays fiasco.   (Maybe he saw the West Ham fans on match of the day !) Upwaŕd  and Onward now or is it shit or bust ?. Still time to turn it around.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:52:41
Happy enough, I suppose. Surprised Brown has accepted such a short contract.

I detest those piss stains as much as the next man, but I do draw the line at ex players/managers. I reserve my bile for the fans.

Staff go where they are offered a job.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Costanza on Monday, March 12, 2018, 19:53:38
I see they waited until you gave up hope for the day :)

Wouldn’t be the first time.

I was up until the wee hours hoping for Bradley Wright-Phillips, Marlon Pack and Danny Hollands to be confirmed...


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, March 12, 2018, 20:45:08
Wouldn’t be the first time.

I was up until the wee hours hoping for Bradley Wright-Phillips, Marlon Pack and Danny Hollands to be confirmed...

Danny Green.

Brown, fine. Horton, just no need, surely. Out of work first team coaches must be ten a penny. Maybe he’s just local.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: FormerlyPlymRed on Monday, March 12, 2018, 20:48:43
Sendles-White is out of contract.
No idea what he's done since leaving us but I always thought we should have kept him. Would be an upgrade on robertson/menayese/purkiss imo.

Ok with the Brown appointment, happy that it's only until end of season and we can reassess then if it goes tits up.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 12, 2018, 20:54:45
he got released by Orient. Not sure that board well to how well he's recovered


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Monday, March 12, 2018, 20:57:51
Wasn't Brian Horton linked with the Swindon job in that strange period in 2002/3 when Kingy was under pressure and Steve Coppell came into help, said we were doomed, and Kingy ground out some results with a transfer embargo and we stayed up comfortably.

Sent from my HTC U11


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 12, 2018, 21:01:47
Horton has been Phil Brown’s assistant at Hull, Preston and worked with him at Southend so clearly they are a team, like Futcher and Flitcroft.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 12, 2018, 21:08:17
Wasn't Brian Horton linked with the Swindon job in that strange period in 2002/3 when Kingy was under pressure and Steve Coppell came into help, said we were doomed, and Kingy ground out some results with a transfer embargo and we stayed up comfortably.

Sent from my HTC U11

You're thinking of another ex Man City boss Mel Machin.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 12, 2018, 21:12:28
 Brown does seem to be a bit of a character, not that means he'll be any good, but aside from the mad Italian, we've had some right dour fuckers in recent years.

 I want to see a half time team talk on the pitch after a likely terrible first half at the CG in the next home game v Morecambe.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, March 12, 2018, 21:26:15
Building for next season IMO.

This season has gone.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, March 12, 2018, 21:28:35
Building for next season IMO.

This season has gone.

We’re level on points with 7th and a favourable run in. It’s far from over, although unlikely given our current state.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Monday, March 12, 2018, 21:46:29
We’re level on points with 7th and a favourable run in. It’s far from over, although unlikely given our current state.

Stop being so optimistic, its gone.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nemo on Monday, March 12, 2018, 21:56:52
Time for a new avatar then. I can't say I'm bowled over with excitement, but fingers crossed a man in orange can bring some good luck to the men in red.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: ronnie21 on Monday, March 12, 2018, 22:12:22
He must know of a few out of work CBs as well. I still reckon we'll see one come in.
And a keeper hopefully.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, March 12, 2018, 22:32:01
We’re level on points with 7th and a favourable run in. It’s far from over, although unlikely given our current state.

With this league so topsy turvy with results (basically everyone is shit) even teams with big budgets in this division haven't been sparkling. It's a league full of turds and only really Accrington are the ones who can hold their heads high. Genuine achievement by them if they go up. It looks likely.

For me, play-offs are still wide open and even an outside chance of automatic is there. Twists and turns indeed.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, March 12, 2018, 22:35:51
Time for a new avatar then. I can't say I'm bowled over with excitement, but fingers crossed a man in orange can bring some good luck to the men in red.

May I suggest a bottle of Carrot Oil as your avatar?

Edit: Can I also add that this should now promote the TEF Member; A Gent Orange, to "The Freedom of the cities of Loompaland"


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Sir Cliff Pipehard on Monday, March 12, 2018, 22:59:23

https://twitter.com/curtiswoodhous8/status/973309741211496455?s=19


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Monday, March 12, 2018, 23:14:24
https://twitter.com/curtiswoodhous8/status/973309741211496455?s=19

FFS, that's brilliant  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 00:50:35
The future's bright, the future's orange...


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 06:44:39
https://twitter.com/curtiswoodhous8/status/973309741211496455?s=19
Some unintentionally hilarious responses on there and a perfect example of how being outraged/offended is a national pastime...

Why are you always playing the race card curtis ?

You honestly think colour comes into it? If they're good enough if they would be employed regardless of colour


 ::)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 08:25:05
Our first Geordie manager?

"Sleeping giant".
Phil, you are more than welcome with having a good go at waking us up.
Wierdly hes from South Shields in the middle of Geordie territory but grew up as a Mackem supporting Sunderland.

Depends if you could Tommy Miller caretaker manager with Ward and Colin Todd almost made it coming from Chester-le-Street.

Phil Brown is a solid appointment if not overly inspiring, a step up from Flitcroft but similar in style to him and to his mentor Sam Allardyce who he learn his stuff from, lots of long ball percentage play, set pieces and corners but he has had a few results.

I am impressed that Power has gone for experience though as that is whats needed to get us anywhere near promotion this season it appears.

Now lets see if he has any "irons in the fire" concerning free agents who can help us achieve play offs at least.

Could have been a lot worse and after all we are in Div 4 so some managers would have been well out of our league really that were linked.

Come on Phil get us up at your first time of asking then that will shut up any doubters...myself at times included, I will back you now you are appointed so get us some results.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 08:35:57
he got released by Orient. Not sure that board well to how well he's recovered
He was released mostly due to not being able to prove his fitness.

He has also joined St Albans.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 08:42:34
He was released mostly due to not being able to prove his fitness.

He has also joined St Albans.

...and lined-up for them last night against Hungerford with Anton Rodgers in their midfield.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 09:02:18
...and lined-up for them last night against Hungerford with Anton Rodgers in their midfield.

Shows you have close this lot are to not making a living out of football, assuming that when you get to that level, it’s a hobby and most players have to have jobs.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 09:13:18
https://youtu.be/Cy_jsizI0zg

<iframe width="854" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/Cy_jsizI0zg" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Brian Horton at the County Ground in a managerial role?

I have very happy memories of the following chant reverberating round the County Ground

Cheer up Brian Horton,
Oh what can it mean,
to a sad Oxford bastard,
with a shit football team



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 09:34:09
I suppose its horses for courses, Brian Horton, although despised by many Town fans has in his time been manager or assistant manager at many clubs facing promotion or relegation at this point so that all helps.

Whether or not he was successful I don't remember but hes got experience and is known for his "take no prisoner" style of man management, which could work depending on how the players respond.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 10:09:33
The younger generations of Town fans wont know about that though, all they'll see is that he once managed Oxford when they google him.

I'm glad we have an experienced boss in as its what we need if we have any hope of getting out of this league. The short term nature of the appointment means we're not stuck with Brown long term... yet. If he can work with that defence though... remains to be seen.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 10:14:45
The younger generations of Town fans wont know about that though, all they'll see is that he once managed Oxford when they google him.

I'm glad we have an experienced boss in as its what we need if we have any hope of getting out of this league. The short term nature of the appointment means we're not stuck with Brown long term... yet. If he can work with that defence though... remains to be seen.
Indeed, under the circumstances this is about as good as we really could have hoped for, a management team with over 1,600 games behind them in total.

Hes definately here to win the job long term, if he can get us promotion and start winning some fans back then hes in with a great chance of that.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 10:18:24
Our first Geordie manager?.....
Didn't know much about Tommy Miller, PV.

I think Malcolm Crosby was briefly caretaker manager in that chaotic tiome when Roy Evans walked out and Andy King was re-instated.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 10:27:34
Indeed, under the circumstances this is about as good as we really could have hoped for, a management team with over 1,600 games behind them in total.

Hes definately here to win the job long term, if he can get us promotion and start winning some fans back then hes in with a great chance of that.
Happy with the experience and the short term nature of the appointment.

It's win, win for Brown and us.

No blame for failure and kudos for even modest success (taking a team to the play offs).

We can get rid if the fit isn't right.

I also think Taylor's game risked suffering if he had been left in sole charge.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 10:29:28
The younger generations of Town fans wont know about that though, all they'll see is that he once managed Oxford when they google him.

I'm glad we have an experienced boss in as its what we need if we have any hope of getting out of this league. The short term nature of the appointment means we're not stuck with Brown long term... yet. If he can work with that defence though... remains to be seen.

Think it was PV, who in his trawl of Sarfend views suggested Brown/Horton could organise a defence.

Now conventional wisdom would be that there is no magic wand for our predicament....so for me, the short term contract is a typical Power OG.

The job should be about using these 10 games to prepare for next season, and a proper tilt at auto, but Brown is saddled with, if we don't go up he's failed, and we'll be back to instability in the summer.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 10:40:17
I have some sympathy with Power here.  You can see the carrot dangling in front of Power's nose Reg, we are outside the playoffs on goal difference. Writing off this season's budget right now would be madness.

He has 10 weeks to implement permanent boss search, should Brown go. Its imperative he's in a position to move as soon as Brown makes his decision (if he has one).

It should be apparent in the next 3 or 4 games, post Easter, whether we are capable of making the playoffs or not. That should clarify everyone's thinking for next year - i.e. does brown even want to stay, can we afford him in div 4...


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 10:43:03


Brian Horton at the County Ground in a managerial role?

I have very happy memories of the following chant reverberating round the County Ground

Cheer up Brian Horton,
Oh what can it mean,
to a sad Oxford bastard,
with a shit football team


Think you can probably still justifiably sing this! :-(


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 10:47:23
Happy with the experience and the short term nature of the appointment.

It's win, win for Brown and us.

No blame for failure and kudos for even modest success (taking a team to the play offs).

We can get rid if the fit isn't right.

I also think Taylor's game risked suffering if he had been left in sole charge.


Totally agree

Writing this season off when outside playofffs only on GD is laughable. Brown has been around the block long enough to see the merits of taking job til the end of season.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 10:52:14
Think it was PV, who in his trawl of Sarfend views suggested Brown/Horton could organise a defence.

Now conventional wisdom would be that there is no magic wand for our predicament....so for me, the short term contract is a typical Power OG.

The job should be about using these 10 games to prepare for next season, and a proper tilt at auto, but Brown is saddled with, if we don't go up he's failed, and we'll be back to instability in the summer.
I don't think that we know the terms of the contract that's been signed.

I recall that Brown was quickly on the scene. There was also some chatter about the fact that there was a delay as terms were being finalised.

Maybe the terms were:

- Contracted to £6.50 an hour
- A £5 bonus to reach Wembley
- A £10 bonus if we reach Div 1 through autos
- A £20 bonus if we get promoted via playoffs
- Wage rising to £7.50 an hour if we get promoted to Div 1
- Wage dropping to £6.00 if we remain in Div 2 next year
- £1 bonus per week for every 1000 punters through the turnstyles (over 6000)

There was also something about Power walking out of the 'Nam game when we were 0-3 down. Maybe he wasn't going to go to Brown, but saw what a mess we were in and therefore went running after Brown with better terms.

(The serious bit about this was that I read Brown was scouting at Cheltenham's previous game. I hope that he didn't pass any advice on - Because if his advice led to a 0-3 drubbing at home, it doesn't bode well for the future!)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 11:09:40
Think it was PV, who in his trawl of Sarfend views suggested Brown/Horton could organise a defence.
Yes on the Saarfend forum they say their defence was definately their strong point but he at times played up to 7 recognised defenders at one time with a couple playing in centre midfield, they did this in one of his first couple of games in charge vs Crewe at Wembley in the JPT which they lost, this was by choice not because of injuries.

Although I did not mention Horton then as his long term assistant at Roots Hall was ex Town defender Graham Coughlan who was also sacked along with Brown from there.

He must think that Horton with his 1000+ games will bring more to the table short term than Coughlan would under the circumstances.

Horton had been working with Brown since 2015 where he was working as "football co-ordinator" at Southend apparently.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 11:35:26
I have some sympathy with Power here.  You can see the carrot dangling in front of Power's nose Reg, we are outside the playoffs on goal difference. Writing off this season's budget right now would be madness.

He has 10 weeks to implement permanent boss search, should Brown go. Its imperative he's in a position to move as soon as Brown makes his decision (if he has one).

It should be apparent in the next 3 or 4 games, post Easter, whether we are capable of making the playoffs or not. That should clarify everyone's thinking for next year - i.e. does brown even want to stay, can we afford him in div 4...

Reasonable points....hopefully Power/Brown's utterances are for fan consumption and a more realistic scenario is being pursued in private.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 11:50:00
Indeed, prepare for the worst, hope for the best


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 11:50:50
If we make the play-offs, I'd give him a crack next year. Could he have done better with this squad than Flitcroft? Would he have ran all of our players into the ground. Who knows?

I like the idea of someone like Garrard, but think right now this is a sensible move.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 11:53:48
Im just looking forward to the next time Phil Brown and Ivo Graham are on fighting talk together, turning it into a STFC love / hate in.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 12:06:00
Im just looking forward to the next time Phil Brown and Ivo Graham are on fighting talk together, turning it into a STFC love / hate in.

I saw Phil Brown participate in a live edition of Fighting Talk. Seemed like a thoroughly tolerable chap.... at the time...


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 12:22:09
I'll give him a game before asking for him to leave :-)

He is certainly tarred with being from the same ilk as Allardyce, but to be honest, I haven't seen much of his teams to make any judgement.  Hopefully he is his own man and has simply learned some tricks of the trade without going full Wilkinson.

What is clear is the team need some basic structure applied to them - much the same players had us in the play off hunt early in the season, so as much as injuries have been a pain, the bigger issue has more been that we haven't catered for it.  We have just been sticking lots of squares in round holes at times.  Hopefully the back five approach is abandoned, certainly with the current central defenders available.

With a few tweaks we should certainly still be in the play off hunt.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 12:29:12
With a few tweaks we should certainly still be in the play off hunt.

What tweaks do you propose given the available personnel  :hmmm:


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 12:53:42
I listed one - formation, change it to suit the available players and their limitations.
Get best use from Elsnik.
Sort out the forward line and give them a basic attacking structure - right now it's hit it and hope, even that isn't an Allardyce approach who allowed someone like Okocha to play.  We've not really figured out a supply line - Gordon can't play wing back for example, playing the way we do is not helping Anderson (who doesn't help himself either).

Those should be sufficient.  Even replicating our early season set-up would keep us in the hunt, where we had four forward players and six defenders.  Flitcroft tried to get too clever but as was shown when Taylor tried for a game, the players have been trained to react under pressure a certain way - hit it.  Work needs to happen to temper that habit, to provide the structure they feel they can trust in a game, to get players in positions on the field where they feel more comfortable.

Back to basics.  We won't be amazing, but we should be capable of winning six and losing four.  That keeps us in the hunt.  It doesn't guarantee anything.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 13:07:49
Brian Horton will not make Chalkies shorts very happy!

Not exactly come out of the blue.

No more of the yellow and blue....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 13:17:21
The future's bright, the future's orange...

He ain't orange here....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Brown_(footballer,_born_1959)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 13:22:38
Yes on the Saarfend forum they say their defence was definately their strong point but he at times played up to 7 recognised defenders at one time with a couple playing in centre midfield,

Don't think we have any danger of that, do we actually have 7 fit defenders in the squad??

We shall see, bit of a free shot for Brown....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 13:52:24
He’s an upgrade from Flitcroft imo.
Just a shame it’s too late in the day for him to make any major changes in personnel


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 13:57:25
This really is one game at a time territory isn’t it? Power has shown his hand and in spite of Browns platitudes towards Powers ambition and future vision I’d take that with a pinch of salt because it’s a shit or bust appointment whichever way you look at it. Brown could well be looking for a paycheck from another club come August. However, if and it’s a big if he does get us up then and only then does the Power vision become relevant. Having said that the remaining fixtures pail into significance to the one or two v Mansfield in the play offs....


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 14:01:34
Surely this league doesn't need much to tip the balance between a winning or losing side? With the right approach I see no reason why we can't progress


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 15:11:28
I listed one - formation, change it to suit the available players and their limitations.

Pulis when asked the secret of keeping clubs up, says the first thing he does is look at the players and think, what can they do... then devise a basic way of playing

It's more or less what Flitters did.  The difference being is when you have a Prem sized squad, more choices.  Atm we just don't have the personnel, for too much messing around with formation.

Cambridge and Crawley are very difficult games even if we had our full squad.

Cambridge have one of the better home records in this season's Div 4, and only Cov have conceded fewer. Crawley after a slow start have picked up, recent victims include Mansfield, Accy and Lincoln.  Accy's only defeat in something like 11 wins.

Our away form has recently tailed off...ok sometimes you do get a new manager bounce, but it's very difficult to make a case for it here.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 15:24:50
Pulis when asked the secret of keeping clubs up, says the first thing he does is look at the players and think, what can they do... then devise a basic way of playing

It's more or less what Flitters did.
Except Flitcroft brought most of these players in. So presumably he brought them in to fit the system he wanted to play, rather than fit the system to the players?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Hitchinred on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 16:36:21
Mr. Brown manages Swindon Town on the A361.
And if he meets an Oxford Fan he’s ready with his gun.
Who do you think you Are kidding Mr. Flitcroft
If you think our play off chance is done.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 17:02:39
Mr. Brown manages Swindon Town on the A361.
And if he meets an Oxford Fan he’s ready with his gun.
Who do you think you Are kidding Mr. Flitcroft
If you think our play off chance is done.

Ah, the 361....the longest 3 digit A road, in England.

But what's that I hear you say, it morphs into the A 4361 between Swindon and Avebury, before returning to 3 digits at Stratton. I know not why.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 17:20:12
Here’s one for Reg.

Just before the lights coming to The Kingsdown pub at Stratton there is an old road sign, which directs you left at the lights to Calcutt. Where the f is that. Never heard of it.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 17:33:03
Here’s one for Reg.

Just before the lights coming to The Kingsdown pub at Stratton there is an old road sign, which directs you left at the lights to Calcutt. Where the f is that. Never heard of it.

It’s just before Cricklade on the A419.

Edit: Just remembered I was confusing it with Latton!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 17:34:54
Never knew that.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 17:38:42
Ah, the 361....the longest 3 digit A road, in England.

But what's that I hear you say, it morphs into the A 4361 between Swindon and Avebury, before returning to 3 digits at Stratton. I know not why.

I'll bet you do really.  ;)

Answer = here (http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=A361).


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 17:49:57
Here’s one for Reg.

Just before the lights coming to The Kingsdown pub at Stratton there is an old road sign, which directs you left at the lights to Calcutt. Where the f is that. Never heard of it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcutt,_Wiltshire


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 17:52:38
There is a Calcutt Street in Cricklade.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, March 13, 2018, 18:56:36
Here’s one for Reg.

Just before the lights coming to The Kingsdown pub at Stratton there is an old road sign, which directs you left at the lights to Calcutt. Where the f is that. Never heard of it.

A reference to the mysteries of Calcutt on this thread.

http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=51728.0

The 361, used to run down (and up) Drove Road and then turn at the CG along Shrivenham Road.   There's one of those nice old black and white old road signs, by where Drove meets, Belle Vue and Hunt Street, which I think has got A 361 on it still.

It stands by the triangle of greenery, which until relatively recently, still had a box hedge display saying "Welcome to Swindon".... left over from when Old and New Swindon were distinct


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Wednesday, March 14, 2018, 07:54:13
Apparently Brown has stated that the aim is still to gain automatic promotion. Fair enough, i’d go with that, aim high why not?

The comments below are from the two Adver articles this morning.

“But he added, with confidence, that the club wants to earn automatic promotion from League Two.”

“The vision is simple - to win enough games to get automatic promotion,” said Brown.

“With managerial history at Bolton, Derby, Hull, Preston North End and Southend United, Brown joins Town with a 35 per cent winning record from 498 games in charge.”

“Brown himself acknowledged the “unique’’ nature of the situation he was walking into on Monday, a club on the edge of the play-off zone and still, despite 15 losses in 36 games to date, only eight points off the third automatic promotion spot.
Win five of their remaining matches and Town will surpass the 70 points which squeezed Blackpool into the League Two play-offs last season. And look what happened to them.”

Let’s put aside automatic promotion for a few moments, shall we? We have ten games left which gives a possibility of 30 points, five wins could get us into the last playoff place. Now i’m Not Stephen Hawkin (RIP) but with a win ratio of 35% or 3 1/2 games out of 10 that’s let’s say 10 points. Yes we may be only 8 off auto’s now and 15 from the Valhalla of 70 for this last P.O. space but by fuck he’s going to have to bust his 35% win ratio in the first instance to do something special. So Phil me old mucker you may have to pray, voodoo doll, assassinate, offer up a sacrifice or two or whatever and hope everyone else above fucks up royally to achieve anything.

Still it’s and to coin a phrase from Jimmy Greaves “it’s a funny old game Saint.”




Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, March 14, 2018, 08:08:07
Win ratios are a pretty useless metric without context.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, March 14, 2018, 11:49:48
Win ratios are a pretty useless metric without context.
I know I often use win ratios as an example which as a rough guideline are ok.

I think the loss ratio is actually more important, a side that draws a lot of games is often only 1 or 2 players away from a good team, but if a manager comes in as PB has with us when he cannot really change the squad as its out of the window and with many injuries and add suspensions too then that can taint the figures hugely.

I still think that as a team, although we have a few players that should probably not normally be in the team if everyone was fit, have a good basis for play offs at least.

I also think that the players seem to lack motivation at times and we do definately lack a leader on the pitch who can gee up the players, I thought Richards looked that sort of man when he first arrived but of late, ironically since he got the captaincy, he has not talked players through games as he did when he wasn't captain.

We still play some really decent football at times, on Saturday that was only the first 15 mins and last 5 but against Crewe away we did it for 75% of the game and Coventry away was the same, home vs Mansfield we did that also so the players CAN do it when they are focussed.

Its now down to PB and BH to get that desire, motivation and consistancy out of the players at his disposal.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, March 14, 2018, 12:45:27
It would be a bit defeatist if he told the players let's get enough points just for the play-off's, it is a chance for e.g. to run the autos close and go into the play offs with some confidence unlike the last time we was in the play-off's


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, March 14, 2018, 12:47:34
I know I often use win ratios as an example which as a rough guideline are ok.

I think the loss ratio is actually more important, a side that draws a lot of games is often only 1 or 2 players away from a good team, but if a manager comes in as PB has with us when he cannot really change the squad as its out of the window and with many injuries and add suspensions too then that can taint the figures hugely.



I think that the place on the football pecking order can have a huge part in establishing a context for win ratio, look at the Mourinho's, Guardiola, Klopps etc, they hav ein the main managed at wealthy clubs at the upper end of their leagues, thus when they come to play teams probably 95% of the time they just play their normal way and the opponents have to adapt to counter them...

However look at someone like Brown who has not really managed at the upper end, but instead at clubs which are in the middle or if they have been higher have been fighting above their weight, thus in the majority of games he will have been required to adapt his team game on game to achieve victories using what he has available, thus c.35% isn't half bad?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, March 14, 2018, 14:07:44
As we all know, this league, by and large, is dog shit. If by sheer good luck plus a little bit of manager nous it wouldn’t be outrageous to think we could win 7 or 8 of the 10 remaining games.

Highly unlikely i grant you after witnessing some of the turgid crap we’ve seen so many times so far this season.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 13:27:24
Well I popped over to the Saarfend forum to gauge opinion on his joining us, in the main they seem a fairly friendly bunch who think he could do well for us.

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Presumably, if he doesn't get them in the playoffs, he doesn't retain the job. Got nothing to lose I guess.

A good job if he does keep it though. Quite a big club with a good history. Some may argue that it's a bigger and better job than managing Southend. Obviously not while they are in League 2 but if they do get promoted, a lot of managers would probably rather be at Swindon than us. They have better facilities and more money so a decent job to get. Will watch that closely.

Good luck to the Robins. They will need it.

I remain happy with the job Brown did during his time at the club. Good luck to him and I wish him well.

He had to go but the reality is PB delivered on his goal of getting us promoted from league 2.

Wish him well, he was a good manager for us, things just went irretrievably wrong for him here in the end.

good luck to him sure he will do a good job for them as he did for us

Yes, very interesting. Good luck to him. Swindon are a bigger club than us and should really be in the Championship I'd say. I doubt PB will get them there, but he may well get them up to League One. We really do need to move to a new stadium before we can call ourselves a club as big as Swindon or Plymouth or even Oxford United. A 16,000 capacity stadium with excellent stands (and toilets!). League Cup winners 1969. One season in the Premiership and 16 in the Championship (or Division 2 as was). Swindon has a population of 215,000 and no sea to the south to reduce its catchment area.

I really don't undertstand the animosity towards him. Yes, his last six months were soured and he made some very questionable decisions in regards to Ranger, but I will be eternally gratefully for that Joe Piggott goal and one the absolutely best days of my life on 23rd May 2015. I wish him nothing but the best - unless we face them then I hope he gets stuffed

Good luck to him. I hope he gets them promoted as it would be very interesting to see him back at Roots Hall next season.
I can see Michael Timlin being tempted back there and rewarded with the captains armband if Brown did get the job full time.

Was a decent manager ,as someone said earlier just all went irretrievably wrong this season, Mainly i believe because of the number of injuries and that man the lone Ranger.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 13:48:23
Good stuff in the main, at least the comments on their forum are a bit more encouraging than the hatchet job from Twitter posted on here a few days ago.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 13:50:57
Good stuff in the main, at least the comments on their forum are a bit more encouraging than the hatchet job from Twitter posted on here a few days ago.
Yes in the main their fans seem to have liked him, certainly early on, it just seemed to turn sour towards the end.



Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 13:51:52
Also encouraging to see that the consensus seems to be "Did OK until gamble on Ranger helped derail things". Which hopefully means we won't be seeing that gobshite back here


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 13:53:01
He was there for around 5 years, wasn't he? Quite a good innings for a manager.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 14:03:28
Simon Cox next season?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 14:05:13
Simon Cox next season?
Timlin back could be a possible, he named him captain early on in his Southend career.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 14:23:13
Always remember the tactic of being ahead or drawing and bringing on Timlin to shore up the midfield and dropping points when the opposition pissed through the hole he inevitably left. Also remember him getting one of the biggest shittings I've seen in 40 odd years of watching Town  when le played left back v Stockport against their excellent right winger.
Saying that he's faring a lot better than we are. Nothing against the lad and probably a player that would be ok now.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 14:28:22
One memory of Timlin that sticks with me is him trying to say 'philosophy' in a pre-season interview. He just couldn't do it.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 14:42:06
Always remember the tactic of being ahead or drawing and bringing on Timlin to shore up the midfield and dropping points when the opposition pissed through the hole he inevitably left. Also remember him getting one of the biggest shittings I've seen in 40 odd years of watching Town  when le played left back v Stockport against their excellent right winger.
Saying that he's faring a lot better than we are. Nothing against the lad and probably a player that would be ok now.
Anthony Pilkington? TBF hes done alright for himself since he left them, good player who would roast a good fullback let alone a stand in one.

March 3rd 2007 in the away game, Timlin played the whole game but got shifted to LB when Vincent went off.

Looking at the side that day my god we were shit, many unmemorable names played that day. There are actually not THAT many players that I would have here now TBH.

Phil SMITH   , Jamie VINCENT, Ashley WESTWOOD, Jerel IFIL, Jack SMITH   , Christian ROBERTS, Michael TIMLIN, Patrick NOUBISSIÉ, Ricky SHAKES, Lee PEACOCK, Blair STURROCK   
Subs Aaron BROWN, Andy NICHOLAS, Michael POOK, Lukas JUTKIEWICZ, Jon STEWART

How Stockport have fallen since then.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 15:03:46
There's apparently a press conference today with Brown. I don't know what time, though.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Private Fraser on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 15:07:08
There's apparently a press conference today with Brown. I don't know what time, though.


It's on Twitter now. They've just introduced McGivern, so that signing has been completed.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 15:18:04
Pilkington - that's the fella. Absolute quality that day. Out of that team JJ I'd take Vincent, Peacock and Jutlkievicz. I'd completely forgotten about Noubbissie.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Sippo on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 15:23:31
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"There's plenty of goals in the team. Off the field of play I want the players to respect people, we're not glorified Premier League players.

Sounds like many players got away with a lot and thinking they are billy big bollocks?!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 15:29:01
Pilkington - that's the fella. Absolute quality that day. Out of that team JJ I'd take Vincent, Peacock and Jutlkievicz. I'd completely forgotten about Noubbissie.
Yeah I think you are right, Vincent had his moments but was solid at the back but Peacock and Lukas are the only others I would have now, Roberst if it was a sober Roberts!

 I had forgotten Noubissie too, there was some real dross in that team though.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 15:30:00
To be honest, drink Roberts could still be good. Not that I'm wishing those demons back on him


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: HorlocksLegs on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 15:34:49
Press conference -  https://www.facebook.com/adversport/videos/893868474117413/?hc_ref=ARTsMiquYDpOIT9bd1K12pox0roTvWBPlWNpeyyHryV_doSk1ckpTPWUkzwObuegF20


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 15:40:44
Press conference -  https://www.facebook.com/adversport/videos/893868474117413/?hc_ref=ARTsMiquYDpOIT9bd1K12pox0roTvWBPlWNpeyyHryV_doSk1ckpTPWUkzwObuegF20

thanks!

I don't want to misinterpret the words put into his mouth but....did he basically say Flitcroft bottled it here due to the injuries ?! Well sort of.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 15:42:54
thanks!

I don't want to misinterpret the words put into his mouth but....did he basically say Flitcroft bottled it here due to the injuries ?! Well sort of.
I couldn't hear it TBH, but if he intimated that then he is right Flitcroft did bottle it.


Title: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 15:46:05
Said something like maybe he's looked at the injuries,and thought they aren't going to fit by the end of the season -there is another horse in the race and he's jumped on that...


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 15:49:21
Blimey, I'd have Ifil from that 2007 team in place of any of our current defenders.
Maybe the passage of time has not been kind to Jerel's placing in the STFC pantheon, but he was nowhere near as bad as is made out.

None of the current lot would warrant a catchy chant from the TE, that's for sure.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 16:04:38
From memory, Ifil was a very solid defender when he had an older head alongside him to walk him through the game. Without that, though, he'd go to pieces.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 16:11:21
When Ifil first signed on loan from Watford he looked quite handy, pace and strong with it, could fill in at RB and CB and was comfortable on the ball.

But he seemed to get worse as his career progressed with Swindon and did end up costing us a lot of goals, some of them comedy goals, but as FH says when he had more experienced defenders alongside him he performed well at times.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 16:29:18
my memory of Ifil a typical Ifil game: 80 minutes good, 10 minutes a mistake waiting to happen...

Still didn't mind him though


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 17:11:06
Was Ifil ever disliked? Like most lower league players, he was limited.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 17:41:57
Russell Lewis wasn’t very good.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 17:52:20
From memory, Ifil was a very solid defender when he had an older head alongside him to walk him through the game. Without that, though, he'd go to pieces.
As long as that older head wasn't aljofree who when having fucked up for a goal would look over at ifill. When played alongside Vincent he was very good. Actually maybe a bit harsh on ifill.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 18:30:58
Was Ifil ever disliked? Like most lower league players, he was limited.

Think his name cropped up when Heywood made into the hall of fame.
The tone of the resulting debate was one of general disapproval. Could be wrong of course.
He seemed popular with the masses during his time here.

PV mentioned comedy goals.
Picking the ball up before it had gone of play & Torquay scoring from the free kick was amusing.
The head high challenge and last minute penalty to Hartlepool wasn't so funny.

Wonder if the tailing off of form might have been more to do with Malpas taking over?

Always though he might have played at a higher level with some better coaching.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 18:49:29
I don't think Ifil was ever disliked by any Town fans he was just as COnstanza says fairly limited.

He was always good for a fuck up every game though and in that way reminds me of Lancashire, Thompson and Branco.

You always knew what you were getting with Ifil...or more to the point you didn't know until it happened!

Would I take him now over Robertson or Lancashire? actually yes I probably would, even now at 35.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 18:53:17
Jerel was a poor man's Titus Bramble.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 19:51:35
Jerel's ability decline exponentially with every extra second he was given to think.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 20:24:10
Bit harsh. We’d take him in a heartbeat now and he served the club well. Always seemed a good bloke too.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: bilko on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 20:26:48
Ifil always good for a penalty is what I remember of him


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 20:33:46
Bit harsh. We’d take him in a heartbeat now and he served the club well. Always seemed a good bloke too.
Completely agree, prone to the odd mistake but always liked him and he would run rings round most of our current defence


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 21:06:19
I can remember playing Bristol City at home in 2004_5 and Jerel had Leroy Lita in his back pocket. A bit like Nathan Thompson he was guilty of rash tackles to pick up red cards from which the suspensions would undo his form and fitness. Dennis Wise got Jerel fit and focused at the start of 2006/7 and was his best season since 2003/4.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 21:13:57
Bit harsh. We’d take him in a heartbeat now and he served the club well. Always seemed a good bloke too.

I meant it in an endearing way, I liked him.  He just struggled if he had time to think about anything.  It;s why he was better with a good experienced defender who could talk him through the game.  He actually had his best games when he had to man mark someone - no need to think about anything other than being near a player, just tackle, head and get rid.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Thursday, March 15, 2018, 21:26:10
I meant it in an endearing way, I liked him.  He just struggled if he had time to think about anything.  It;s why he was better with a good experienced defender who could talk him through the game.  He actually had his best games when he had to man mark someone - no need to think about anything other than being near a player, just tackle, head and get rid.
This. As mentioned in another comment he man marked Lita out of the game on more than one occasion. Did the same to Leon Knight & Wayne Andrews. Could never seem to handle Nathan Tyson though!


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: tans on Friday, March 16, 2018, 06:55:15
He was quality in that promotion season. Was well chuffed when he scored that goal to get us promoted. What a bizarre game that was


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, March 16, 2018, 09:45:31
Jerel was a poor man's Titus Bramble.

This ^^^^

Followed the same trait of being bloody good with a fellow CB next to him to tell him where to stand and when to move, less so if left to think for himself.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, March 16, 2018, 10:47:55
Agree with the comments about his man-marking ability - one thing you generally could rely on him to do well. He made mistakes but was a decent enough defender and I don't think people were as harsh on him at the time as they are now.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 16, 2018, 12:28:57
Back to the original subject of the new manager.....

A question was asked on the Southend forum from a Town fan about Browns style of management and TBF the reply seems to be quite optimistic for us.

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I don't think you'll see the best of Brown this season, he didn't do much when he came here mid season and needed transfer window and pre season to put his mark on the team. A lot of our fans don't like Brown but his record here was very good, apart from this season, he improved our league position every year.

Phil does put a lot of emphasis on defence and you will hear the phrase "clean sheet mentality" a lot! He is not like Alladyce in his long ball and percentage play though, our previous manager Paul Sturrock was much more that kind of manager. Phil very much likes to keep possession but this can be a bit backwards and sideways at times and his teams can be a bit slow getting the ball up the pitch. Last season we played some lovely football and I honestly think he brought in the players to do that this season but was let down with the state of our pitch and injuries (one criticism levelled at PB is that he has signed a lot of injury prone players). Overall I'd say he's a very good manager at this level, I'd back you to be successful under him if he's there next season i'll have a bet on you going up.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, March 16, 2018, 13:13:21
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Phil very much likes to keep possession but this can be a bit backwards and sideways at times and his teams can be a bit slow getting the ball up the pitch.

So we can enjoy the return of the "FORWARDDD" brigade then


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, March 16, 2018, 17:54:40
A few more things from Saarfend fans, most of it sounds pretty good actually.

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Agree with RO on the first bit, you won't see an immediate impact IMO. He needs a pre season and his own stamp on things before you notice any real change. I was actually pleasantly surprised at the start of his first full season here. We seemed to play a bit of football and was a real change from what we had seen at the time. We slightly changed to a more direct style after a poor run and this became his main style throughout his time here.

I disagree with RO on the second, as I actually think his style is pretty much hoof percentage football but it was effective for most of his time here so I'd say give him a chance. If you can get a decent target man in your side (Barry Corr) then you'll certainly have a chance of promotion under him. Last season when the team were flying was probably some of the most entertaining football I've seen so he can get his teams to play no doubt. You'll also rarely see the other team outwork you as for the most part a PB team are workmanlike.

He's also had his fair share of critics here, and rightly so. Banished our club captain Adam Barrett, fell out with numerous players, had training ground bust ups, changing room bust ups, you name it, he's had a go at it. You can also forget getting past the first round of any cup competition you enter as well.

I'd say his main weaknesses are not having a plan b, a marmite style man-management, can't keep his mouth shut and paying too much attention to the opposition. Oh, and he loves himself.

Overall though, you could do a lot worse than PB put it that way.
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He done bloody well while he was here ,Injuries and Nile Ranger caused his downfall this season, Give him a preseason to get his own team and im positive you will be in the promotion chasing next season. Yes he speaks his mind sometimes to his own detriment im afraid, but you certainly will improve under him and hopefully be in league 1 after next season, shame of it is though we will be in the championship.You want a decent target man come after MAF at our club ,he maybe old but plays like hes in his mid 20s not mid 30s ,dosent score a lot off goals though ,but is very clever.
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The chances are he will come in and your players will do the 'new manager got to impress him' dance. There's not long to go to the end of the season so he just might get you over the play-offs line, failing that you will have a very near miss attempt. Before this season started most of us thought he had put together a squad capable of an auto place to the Championship, our Chairman certainly did as he backed Brown to the hilt financially. Last season, as other have said, we played some delightful stuff at times but we still contrived to blow it at the end.

Long term Injuries and behind the scenes stuff did for him here this season. For whatever reason certain players didn't hit it off with him and eventually the squad's form suffered. Give him a little time and he will get you out of the swamp that is FL2, but he is the nearest thing to marmite man I have ever seen at Southend.
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I very rarely felt we played long ball football under PB. Sometimes we mixed it up a little. This season we went a little bit more direct, but that was mainly due to the pitch at RH.

If anything, we overplayed on the ground and gave the ball away in tight areas or where we could be counter-attacked.

We also scored some wonderful goals playing neat passing football. I can think of many like that, but hardly any where we lumped it up to someone.

I also think it was a myth that we sat back. Yes, at times we would come under pressure, so it would look like we had chosen to go defensive, but in essence we tried to play on the front foot.

If you have the players that fit a hard working passing system and the pitch is OK at Swindon, you might be pleasantly surprised that the style of football will be more entertaining than you think and I definitely wouldn't rule out the play-offs. They really are up for grabs for anyone in the top half of the division.
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The negatives are

1) His man management. According to people on here he seemed to fall out with a fair few players who then got shipped out never to be seen again.
2) When the chips are down it all seemed to fall apart. I remember commenting on how Preston fans said that once the bad form hit he could not stop it, this seemed evident with us too. The long spells of bad form happened in each of our league one seasons.
3) Can sometimes forget his teams strengths to focus on the oppositions weaknesses. Sometimes this worked, often we ended up losing a game we really should have won.

The positives are

1) He can build a team that works hard and has the ability to play some decent football.
2) When the team is on a roll he seems very good at keeping that roll going, such as the form we had at the end of our promotion winning season. The Morecambe game aside (An example of forgetting our strengths) we did so well, even taking our form in to the play offs.!


A side note

People often say he signs old injured players, he did for us, however I’m not sure how much of that was down to him. I’m not privy to any inside information so it could have been all him but I always felt like despite the backing of our chairman, to a certain extent he still had one hand tied behind his back. Will be interesting to see what players he signs if he does stay on past this season.
He definitely favoured the experienced players over the untried but he brought in players like Coker who is now captain and helped to develop Leonard in to a commanding midfield player.
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Pretty much agree with all of that. Looking at it objectively, he got us promoted but never set the world alight. But for some accurate pens and saves from Dan B, it could easily be us still in Lge 2 and Wycombe in our spot. It will be interesting to see how he gets on at Swindon.
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What we think of PB won't make any difference he's only signed for 10 games so Swindon can decide for themselves. Looking at the table, Swindon have conceded more than anyone else in the top half but as they point out that's mainly to do with injuries.

We are only in L1 because back in 2015 we won 7 games in a row in the month of April without conceding a goal. He hardly has much time to change things but If PB gets them in the play-offs then good luck to them.

If he stays for next season its worth remembering that his budget with us in L2 was less then half of what Di Canio had when he won L2.

Forget Allardyce we didn't play long ball football, in fact far to often we over passed in the last third and we weren't very good at set pieces, defending or attacking.

What you will get from PB is 100% commitment and a genuine respect for the fans. He may well dress smart and look the part but one thing he has not forgot is his journey up. He did play over 600 games, starting at Hartlepool and Halifax where he used to have to work as an electrician in the afternoons and evenings. You won't find many fans unhappy with anything he did regards the community or for charity etc.

Yes he fell out with one or two but he certainly doesn't suffer fools and cheats. We have had far to many of them at Southend over the years so I had no problem with him moving people on. Not one of them has proved PB wrong so far.

If you miss out this year and he stays I might have a little flutter on Swindon next season.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 16, 2018, 19:09:38
So, arguments, injuries, can't get past first round of cups. Sounds like he'll slot right in and may be slightly less direct than DF was.

Think it sounds OK to be honest, given its short term. Why drastically change a team and style that got us 11 games within the playoffs.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: RobertT on Friday, March 16, 2018, 20:07:00
I'm just relieved it appears he may not be another Allardyce clone, so I can like him.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: DiV on Saturday, March 17, 2018, 11:40:14
Think his name cropped up when Heywood made into the hall of fame.
The tone of the resulting debate was one of general disapproval. Could be wrong of course.
He seemed popular with the masses during his time here.

PV mentioned comedy goals.
Picking the ball up before it had gone of play & Torquay scoring from the free kick was amusing.
The head high challenge and last minute penalty to Hartlepool wasn't so funny.

Wonder if the tailing off of form might have been more to do with Malpas taking over?

Always though he might have played at a higher level with some better coaching.

The head high challenge where he kicked the ball, was no where near Adam Boys, was outside the penalty area and the offence should have resulted in an indirect free kick even if it was in area.

Harsh to pin that one on Ifil.

Ifil was Ifil - had all the physical traits and attributes to be a quality defender but no footballing brain and had to be hand held through games from a mental standpoint.

Sadly that football intelligence never really came along as he got older and more experienced.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Saturday, March 17, 2018, 12:17:30
The head high challenge where he kicked the ball, was no where near Adam Boys, was outside the penalty area and the offence should have resulted in an indirect free kick even if it was in area.

Harsh to pin that one on Ifil.

Ifil was Ifil - had all the physical traits and attributes to be a quality defender but no footballing brain and had to be hand held through games from a mental standpoint.

Sadly that football intelligence never really came along as he got older and more experienced.

He did the give the referee a decision to make, albeit made incorrectly.
But as you say, football intelligence was an issue.

Don't see many indirect free kicks given for similar challenges these days.
They tend to be interpreted as reckless play now, regardless of contact.

I'm sure that a free kick was given against Shaun Taylor once for heading a ball a few inches off the ground.
Dangerous heading.  :)


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, March 17, 2018, 19:40:23
 Interestingly Phil Brown played against the Town 13 times as a player, but never won  :)

 He also played in all of the 4 epic LC games v Bolton in Ossie's time.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: flammableBen on Sunday, March 18, 2018, 00:15:56
Can he take the mantle of this millenium's greatest Swindon manager from Andy King?


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, March 18, 2018, 07:22:42
Can he take the mantle of this millenium's greatest Swindon manager from Andy King?

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Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Sunday, March 18, 2018, 16:42:38
Brown commentating on 5Live at the mo.


Title: Re: The new, new manager thread.
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Sunday, March 18, 2018, 16:43:50
Brown commentating on 5Live at the mo.

Those sunbeds don't pay for themselves you know...