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Title: Random Rumour
Post by: tans on Monday, February 5, 2018, 19:28:56
Who knows.



Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Monday, February 5, 2018, 19:32:27
Who knows.


Ties in with the recent visit they both made Down Under to 'take in a game'!!


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, February 5, 2018, 20:00:30
Exit strategy?


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 5, 2018, 20:06:42
empire building?


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, February 5, 2018, 20:17:38
The same source reckons hes buying them as a feeder club...


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: ekarot on Monday, February 5, 2018, 20:39:21
He should buy melksham town. At least then he could see real progress from a community club with a new ground already in situ and ready to move forwards within budget and a very loyal following.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: bathford on Monday, February 5, 2018, 20:46:00
Central Coast Mariners also have links to Everton & Sheffield United.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, February 5, 2018, 20:49:07
He should buy melksham town. At least then he could see real progress from a community club with a new ground already in situ and ready to move forwards within budget and a very loyal following.

I don't think he'd be allowed. Conflict of interests and all that. IIRC, Fitton had to get rid of Hungerford(?) when he joined us.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: ekarot on Monday, February 5, 2018, 20:55:22
Tongue in cheek from me !!! Have a look at what a real family club looks like Mr Power. We are more than happy without a money making owner.Large STFC contingent here already especially last Saturday and continues to grow .Thanks Lee


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, February 5, 2018, 21:05:50
Tongue in cheek from me !!! Have a look at what a real family club looks like Mr Power. We are more than happy without a money making owner.Large STFC contingent here already especially last Saturday and continues to grow .Thanks Lee

What's Lee done now? Is it a STFC contingent or a Melksham contingent? Lower league clubs are always going to have a family side to them. I'm sure nasty Lee is worried about the growth


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: ekarot on Monday, February 5, 2018, 21:27:16
Q1 alienated fans
Q2 both but many sham stfc fans watch melksham even when stfc are at home now and that's a fact.
I didn't call him nasty but he admits he is a businessman in it for the money.
Just my opinion but 1150 home fans shows progress which is something stfc have lacked since ?
Sorry. My memory is not what it was . Enjoy the rest of the season iffy


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, February 5, 2018, 21:33:51
Sham 69


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, February 5, 2018, 22:12:57
Poor man’s Pozzo.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, February 6, 2018, 00:53:25
Q1 alienated fans
Q2 both but many sham stfc fans watch melksham even when stfc are at home now and that's a fact.
I didn't call him nasty but he admits he is a businessman in it for the money.
Just my opinion but 1150 home fans shows progress which is something stfc have lacked since ?
Sorry. My memory is not what it was . Enjoy the rest of the season iffy


Looks like your having a good season as well, something for fans that support both to enjoy. I'm sure if we had fitton or black running the show some town fans would still feel alienated. Poor performances breed negativity. We have turned a corner this season in terms of decline. I'm sure a promotion and some good signings will turn fans back around. Same as every club.

I personally don't mind power saying he's in it for the money as that can really only happen with success. I'd rather be sustainable then have a chairman losing millions each season and be a fans man


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 6, 2018, 08:37:20
Fair play to Power, if thats how he wants tp play it then fine, lots of fingers in pies etc.

I don't think it will affect us here at all much as his ownership of Waterford has had no bearing on us at all.

If he can keep an eye on any interesting good future talent to buy then even better.

Can't see this affecting the club in either a good or bad way, its not like they are even in the same continent let alone the same country.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, February 6, 2018, 09:23:20
Q1 alienated fans
Q2 both but many sham stfc fans watch melksham even when stfc are at home now and that's a fact.
I didn't call him nasty but he admits he is a businessman in it for the money.
Just my opinion but 1150 home fans shows progress which is something stfc have lacked since ?
Sorry. My memory is not what it was . Enjoy the rest of the season iffy


As soon as any kind sniff of success returns to STFC (and it will, at some point) then I imagine they'll be back. The novelty of non league football wears off when it becomes mundane, speaking from experience here. Its nice Melksham have a community club but its easy when the club is so small.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Pirate Pete on Wednesday, February 7, 2018, 22:12:46
Central Coast Mariners also have links to Everton & Sheffield United.

G'day all. Our links to Everton and Sheffield United haven't really brought anything to the club.
We did get Nick Montgomery from Sheffield United, but that was about it.
We were going to get a couple of kids from Everton but due to visa problems we couldn't.

So what is your owner like? Should we be worried?

 Covert Agent‏ @TheCovertAgent

EXCLUSIVE: Three parties are interested in buying Central Coast Mariners. Swindon Town owner Lee Power (advised by former Aston Villa manager Tim Sherwood), Scottish giants Celtic and Australian businessman Anton Tagliaferro.

I must admit I'd rather have one of the other two mentioned.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: otanswell on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 00:24:54
Wants to get his own house in order before flashing the cash elsewhere imo


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: ChChNZRED on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 09:10:28
G'day all. Our links to Everton and Sheffield United haven't really brought anything to the club.
We did get Nick Montgomery from Sheffield United, but that was about it.
We were going to get a couple of kids from Everton but due to visa problems we couldn't.

So what is your owner like? Should we be worried?

 Covert Agent‏ @TheCovertAgent

EXCLUSIVE: Three parties are interested in buying Central Coast Mariners. Swindon Town owner Lee Power (advised by former Aston Villa manager Tim Sherwood), Scottish giants Celtic and Australian businessman Anton Tagliaferro.

I must admit I'd rather have one of the other two mentioned.


I can imagine the Celtic option being legit...They signed Tommy Rogic from you guys. Living in NZ I watch a fair bit of A League. Central Coast have a couple of handy players, Danny De Silva is a decent player one the best in the league this year. Also rate Storm Roux as well.

Not sure why English clubs don't take a punt on some players TBH on trial and have a look...needs to be some sort of scouting network branching out this way.

If it was too ever happen unlikely would be interesting what sort of players they would look to send over.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 09:17:34

So what is your owner like? Should we be worried?


We we're relegated last season, and there have been numerous questions asked about his competence in general. Still, though, we have also had one of our most successful seasons in recent history under his tenure-ship, along with some very good deals on players. Personally, I would rather have another owner as he just doesn't seem that capable, provided there is a suitable alternative, of course. I still hold out hope that he might hit the right forumula, though. I like his approach in principle, it's the execution of it that's left wanting.

You will find plenty of people trying to tell you this he is a con-man or a scammer and is hell bent on doing all sorts of nefarious deeds to STFC and others. What you wont find, though, is these people providing a shred of evidence for their claims. It's been several years now, and they are yet to present a thing.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 09:25:40
So what is your owner like? Should we be worried?

Lee is hugely popular at the County Ground, sometimes he even has to employ a bodyguard, to keep the admiring hordes at a safe distance.

His popularity is only partly based on appointing the best coach he's seen in 25 years in the game, but raised by giving us our biggest ever signing, the esteemed tactician Mr Sherwood.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 09:31:30
I can imagine the Celtic option being legit...They signed Tommy Rogic from you guys. Living in NZ I watch a fair bit of A League. Central Coast have a couple of handy players, Danny De Silva is a decent player one the best in the league this year. Also rate Storm Roux as well.

Not sure why English clubs don't take a punt on some players TBH on trial and have a look...needs to be some sort of scouting network branching out this way.

If it was too ever happen unlikely would be interesting what sort of players they would look to send over.
It all depends on if they have dual nationality like Luongo who was part Italian so it made work permits not needed.

I am sure there are a lot of talented players but they would need the work permit to get a team in the UK which is difficult if they aren't already full internationals.

As for Power, it depends on who you ask, for some (many) he is the devil incarnate who won't put any of his own money into the club and is trying make us fold.

As for the rest of us he is just an owner who is not loaded but paid good money (for us) for a few players, he has made a few mistakes but hes just your average lower league owner IMO. He doesn't like to communicate freely with the press unless its on his terms, he talks a good game.

He will never ever win some of our fanbase over even if we won the Premier League, I think that tells you more about our fans than it does about Power.

Power has made some mistakes and is by no means a perfect owner but we have no viable alternative, he also doesn't have the greatest track record when it comes to investment elsewhere, Cambridge, Rushden & Diamonds etc.



Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Tails on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 09:33:12
G'day all. Our links to Everton and Sheffield United haven't really brought anything to the club.
We did get Nick Montgomery from Sheffield United, but that was about it.
We were going to get a couple of kids from Everton but due to visa problems we couldn't.

So what is your owner like? Should we be worried?

 Covert Agent‏ @TheCovertAgent

EXCLUSIVE: Three parties are interested in buying Central Coast Mariners. Swindon Town owner Lee Power (advised by former Aston Villa manager Tim Sherwood), Scottish giants Celtic and Australian businessman Anton Tagliaferro.

I must admit I'd rather have one of the other two mentioned.


Done a lot wrong and not very popular due to his lack of engagement. You'll find most of our fans hate him and want him out but more often than not, they can't really give you a reason why other than their own conspiracies they've made up.

Got the club on a stable footing which no one has done for 300 years but naturally, as fans, we do want more. Tries to do things on the cheap and predictably this fell on its arse last season, but credit to him he abandoned 'The Swindon way' and went for a different approach.... Which hasn't really worked out so far but at least he acknowledged the previous way had failed.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 09:51:31
There are two extremes.
On the one hand he saved us from financial ruin and kept us on a stable footing. Never promised us the earth and has delivered on that. Stripped costs out significantly. In his first year we played some cracking football and were one game away from the Championship. Has got some decent players in.
On the other hand, he's taken us to the bottom division and nobody has a clue what the finances look like although the bailiffs aren't knocking at our door. Last season was laughable in that we all knew he were getting relegated but he did nothing but bring Tim Sherwood in which was an unmitigated disaster. He's sold some players for large amounts of money and we've got little to show for it on the pitch He's bought a training ground that is unusable but was it a Trojan horse for housing development? Did he buy it in his name but use transfer fees to buy it? He does nothing to engage fans or try and build any relationships with supporter groups.   
We've got a history of dodgy owners so Town fans will always be on their guard and maybe he's not given the same chance he'd get elsewhere but he really doesn't help himself.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
For my sins, I'd happily see the back of him. Too many questions and anyone who could have changed last season and didn't deserves everything they get. Last season was as bad as I've seen in 40+ years following Town.
I would be extremely wary if he took over as you'll find lack of information a problem. like everything else, in the void of fact, speculation will run rife. Some of it may turn out to be fact, some of it may turn out to be crap. He is not the safe option.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: ChChNZRED on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 09:59:29
It all depends on if they have dual nationality like Luongo who was part Italian so it made work permits not needed.

I am sure there are a lot of talented players but they would need the work permit to get a team in the UK which is difficult if they aren't already full internationals.


Most of the talent in the A League ends up in Europe at a young age and doesn't make it, they head back and stand out, a lot of them will already have some sort of links to Europe as well from 15 onwards.

certainly players to look at unrelated to the Marriners there is a young kid playing for Melbourne City he looks a serious talent in the making.

I saw Aaron Mooy play in Christchurch and he was head and shoulders the best player in the league he's now having a fairly successful season in the premiership and he was told he wouldn't cut it in England previously with Bolton i think.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 11:20:39
Part of me wants to believe that part of Lee Power does have the best interests of the club at heart.

This acquiring of football clubs is of course all part of a complex international laundry operation.

Move over Coin-O-Matic there is a new kid on the block.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 11:33:13
Part of me wants to believe that part of Lee Power does have the best interests of the club at heart.

This acquiring of football clubs is of course all part of a complex international laundry operation.

Move over Coin-O-Matic there is a new kid on the block.

Did Power ever acquire the Montenegran club  :hmmm:  If so Coin O Matic, would be an ideal Waterford/Montenegro holding midfielder


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 11:46:00
Did Power ever acquire the Montenegran club  :hmmm:  If so Coin O Matic, would be an ideal Waterford/Montenegro holding midfielder
:D


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 13:26:39
My own distrust of Power comes from a few things really
   1. The way he shut up shop media wise and tried to control that aspect himself
   2. Total and utter lack of financial transparency
   3. Total lack of engagement with the fan
   4. The now abandoned "Swindon way", the club felt more like a shop window than something that wanted to be successful
   5. His past..

Its absolutely a personal opinion, and for every point there is a counter argument.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 13:59:11
   3. Total lack of engagement with the fan
I know crowds have dropped this season, but didn't think it had got that bad!


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 14:06:01
My own distrust of Power comes from a few things really
   1. The way he shut up shop media wise and tried to control that aspect himself
   2. Total and utter lack of financial transparency
   3. Total lack of engagement with the fan
   4. The now abandoned "Swindon way", the club felt more like a shop window than something that wanted to be successful
   5. His past..

Its absolutely a personal opinion, and for every point there is a counter argument.

All those in favour say "Fanzai"  :soapy tit wank:


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 14:56:45
Quote from: pauld
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   3. Total lack of engagement with the fan
I know crowds have dropped this season, but didn't think it had got that bad!

1 fan, 5109 critics. seems about right


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 15:27:00
I know crowds have dropped this season, but didn't think it had got that bad!

1 fan, 5109 critics. seems about right

Many on here are back in love with Power, they've got Flitters to blame for our demise.  It's an old football cliche, that the manager gets sacked once the fans start blaming the owner/chairman, rather than gaffer.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 15:28:32
How impressive that Reg knows what other people are thinking. Quite remarkable really.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 15:30:27
Many on here are back in love with Power
You keep doing this, asserting "Many on here are blowing off donkeys" or whatever it is you're trying to claim. Sometimes it's probably a fair summary of the tone and tenure of discussion. On this occasion, I call BS. I see no evidence that people's opinions have shifted much at all on Power in the past year or so, positively or negatively.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 16:11:59
You keep doing this, asserting "Many on here are blowing off donkeys" or whatever it is you're trying to claim. Sometimes it's probably a fair summary of the tone and tenure of discussion. On this occasion, I call BS. I see no evidence that people's opinions have shifted much at all on Power in the past year or so, positively or negatively.

The point I'm trying to make is that the the Flitters outers, of which there are a majority, given the tone of this thread....

http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=57209.0 and the results of the recent poll....

http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=57210.0   are deflecting criticism of where the real problem lies. 


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 16:23:09
So, let me get this right...

Because people have been critical of the manager, who had been performing very poorly, they can't simultaneously be critical of the owner and are "back in love" with him? Is that what you're saying?


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 16:29:15
So, let me get this right...

Because people have been critical of the manager, who had been performing very poorly, they can't simultaneously be critical of the owner and are "back in love" with him? Is that what you're saying?

I'm saying I would prefer fans to target the owner rather than the manager if the desire is to improve our current status.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: donkey on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 16:35:58
You keep doing this, asserting "Many on here are blowing off donkeys"

Wait...what?


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 16:36:43
So we shouldn't be critical of a poorly performing manager? Is that what you are saying? People are critical of Power as well as Flitcroft after all. But we can only moan about the owner?


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 16:37:58
Best we avoid being critical of players as well I suppose....


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 16:42:23
So we shouldn't be critical of a poorly performing manager? Is that what you are saying? People are critical of Power as well as Flitcroft after all. But we can only moan about the owner?

Feel free to say what you want. I will.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 16:44:18
Yes Reg, we will say what we want. No matter how much you may moan about it. In fact, I think I may just step up my moaning about Flitcroft now that I know it gets under your skin.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 17:37:55
My criticism of Power is not revealing the financial state of the club - when doing so would appease the critics. Unless, of course, the figures hide a ticking time bomb.

My criticism of Flitcroft is waning, tbh. The football isn’t quite so Neanderthal and it’s almost worth the ticket price to watch Elsnik. At times we are very good.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 18:23:54
For the record, I do not like Flitcroft and and I am cautious about Power, which is actually more to do with his previous track record and knowing somebody that used to have to report on one of those teams. 


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 19:00:44
The point I'm trying to make is that the the Flitters outers, of which there are a majority, given the tone of this thread....

http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=57209.0 and the results of the recent poll....

http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=57210.0   are deflecting criticism of where the real problem lies. 
That may be the point you were trying to make, but it wasn't what you said. And the "Many on here" canard you keep pulling as spurious back up for tendentious points does my fucking nut. Although it does usually act as a reasonably reliable signpost that you're about to make a tendentious point, so I suppose from that point it's quite handy :)


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Sir red ken on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 19:12:59
For the record, I do not like Flitcroft and and I am cautious about Power, which is actually more to do with his previous track record and knowing somebody that used to have to report on one of those teams. 
I've never met Flitcroft or Power so I'm cautious of them both. I do not like the idea, nor do I condone the blowing off of Donkey's. I hope that's cleared things up.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: donkey on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 19:21:27
I've never met Flitcroft or Power so I'm cautious of them both. I do not like the idea, nor do I condone the blowing off of Donkey's. I hope that's cleared things up.

It has, thanks.


Title: Re: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 19:25:11
And the "Many on here" canard you keep pulling as spurious back up for tendentious points does my fucking nut.

Don't you bring fucking ducks into this...


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 19:31:52
Don't you bring fucking ducks into this...
I was trying to distract attention from the Donkey Blow Jobs that seemed to have caused some distress....


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Thursday, February 8, 2018, 20:10:08
Donkey blow jobs are the new Muffin the mule.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Friday, February 9, 2018, 08:11:57
There are two extremes.
On the one hand he saved us from financial ruin and kept us on a stable footing. Never promised us the earth and has delivered on that. Stripped costs out significantly. In his first year we played some cracking football and were one game away from the Championship. Has got some decent players in.
On the other hand, he's taken us to the bottom division and nobody has a clue what the finances look like although the bailiffs aren't knocking at our door. Last season was laughable in that we all knew he were getting relegated but he did nothing but bring Tim Sherwood in which was an unmitigated disaster. He's sold some players for large amounts of money and we've got little to show for it on the pitch He's bought a training ground that is unusable but was it a Trojan horse for housing development? Did he buy it in his name but use transfer fees to buy it? He does nothing to engage fans or try and build any relationships with supporter groups.   
We've got a history of dodgy owners so Town fans will always be on their guard and maybe he's not given the same chance he'd get elsewhere but he really doesn't help himself.
The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
For my sins, I'd happily see the back of him. Too many questions and anyone who could have changed last season and didn't deserves everything they get. Last season was as bad as I've seen in 40+ years following Town.
I would be extremely wary if he took over as you'll find lack of information a problem. like everything else, in the void of fact, speculation will run rife. Some of it may turn out to be fact, some of it may turn out to be crap. He is not the safe option.
You make a very good point in that without facts, speculation will run rife. For as long as financial transparency is hidden then Power deserves the suspicion that he is treated with. He very much uses this as a stick to beat himself with until he opens up a bit. Fans of this club are naturally going to be sceptical & so we should given the history & disdain in the way we've been treated by previous owners.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, February 9, 2018, 09:08:48
It was saint Fitton who closed the books and cancelled the AGMs.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 9, 2018, 09:22:37
It was saint Fitton who closed the books and cancelled the AGMs.

Also am I imagining it, but didn't Fitton have some manner of personal interest in the Austin transfer?


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Friday, February 9, 2018, 09:41:58
It was saint Fitton who closed the books and cancelled the AGMs.
There's nothing stopping LP holding an AGM though. It would appease the many cynics & if there was nothing to hide then surely it would boost his popularity. Everyone's a winner.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Tails on Friday, February 9, 2018, 09:56:33
I think it's pretty clear Power doesn't give a shit how popular he is.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 9, 2018, 10:04:47
I think it's pretty clear Power doesn't give a shit how popular he is.

As clear as it is that whatever Power does he will never be popular with much of the fan base...


Title: Random Rumour
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 9, 2018, 10:06:07
that's partially his own fault, but as Tails said - he doesn't give a shit


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, February 9, 2018, 10:12:10
I don't give a shit either to be frank. I think it's asinine.

What I do care about is how the team/club is faring, not some popularity contest. Oh, and if he did 'reveal' the finances, he'd only get accused of cooking the books if they were positive. That wouldn't 'solve' a thing.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, February 9, 2018, 10:14:00
So many that ask to see finances also say they don't trust him. If they don't trust him, why would they believe a spreadsheet made by him? It's pointless. If people are suddenly placated by the finances when/if they are released, despite having claimed for so long not to trust him, then that's equally ridiculous.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 9, 2018, 10:34:40
So many that ask to see finances also say they don't trust him. If they don't trust him, why would they believe a spreadsheet made by him? It's pointless. If people are suddenly placated by the finances when/if they are released, despite having claimed for so long not to trust him, then that's equally ridiculous.

Now, yes.
Had he come in with an open attitude from the start it may have been different for fan perception. Obviously if you are a shady character what you present is going to be worthless.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, February 9, 2018, 10:37:46

Had he come in with an open attitude from the start it may have been different for fan perception.

I don't believe that either, not for one moment. To many, he was the devil incarnate even before he took over the club.

Just my humble opinion, of course, but I'm not buying it.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 9, 2018, 10:42:34
Fair enough. You are probably right

I'm struggling to remember the general perception at that time. Pretty sure I was skeptical of his motives, so at least I'm consistent.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, February 9, 2018, 10:44:18
I'm quite sure fredi was about before he took over officially, which would pretty much sum up the mood at the time.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Tails on Friday, February 9, 2018, 10:46:52
I don't give a shit either to be frank. I think it's asinine.

What I do care about is how the team/club is faring, not some popularity contest. Oh, and if he did 'reveal' the finances, he'd only get accused of cooking the books if they were positive. That wouldn't 'solve' a thing.

To be honest, half the fans that ask for the accounts wouldn't understand them if they were published anyway.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, February 9, 2018, 11:02:14
To be honest, half the fans that ask for the accounts wouldn't understand them if they were published anyway.

True enough. Jayo is right though, it was Fitton who finished off the AGM's. They were an anachronism, however highly symbolic. Everybody knew that votes at the AGM would make no difference, however there was a sense that the Board had to account for themselves to a body of fans.  That's now gone. 



Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Friday, February 9, 2018, 11:02:37
I don't give a shit either to be frank. I think it's asinine.

What I do care about is how the team/club is faring, not some popularity contest. Oh, and if he did 'reveal' the finances, he'd only get accused of cooking the books if they were positive. That wouldn't 'solve' a thing.
For somebody who doesn't give a shit you've got a lot to say on the subject  :D We all care how the team/club is faring & in any industry the less shit that goes on in the background the higher the chance of the organisation (team in this case) faring better. Saying that the revealing of finances wouldn't solve a thing is purely hypothetical. There are plenty of people on here with a broad enough understanding of accounts, & doubtless many more through the fanbase, who would be able to understand them when presented. Hopefully they would make for good reading but if they ever turned out to be different to what was presented (in terms of being worse) then he would likely be the shyster that many believe him to be anyway.
   I would say if he's got nothing to hide then why hide it? The more transparent he is the more people he will get onside (assuming the transparency is good of course). The more people who are onside with his way of running the club, the more people we are likely to get attending games. The more people who attend games, the higher the budget available to the manager. The higher the budget, the higher the standard of player we are able to attract. Of course this doesn't guarantee success but it is likely to increase your chances, especially at this level where 1 or 2 quality players can make all the difference. I'm very much 50/50 on LP & maybe my use of the word popularity in my previous post was the wrong choice. As others have said since LP clearly doesn't care how popular he is but he could be doing a hell of a lot more to make his own life/job easier at STFC.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: pauld on Friday, February 9, 2018, 11:21:32
Power may not care how popular he is, but it does have an impact on how the club is faring as it is part of a fractious atmosphere around the club. Publishing accounts would help on the openness front, not publishing them and the Kim Jong Un approach to the media adds to the impression of a distant and autocratic owner. Set against that, as someone has said, no-one would trust them anyway, they would reveal very little (they were published during the Diamandis years but because they were always in retrospect told you fuck all about how much shit the club was actually in) and would add to the running costs - Wray's stated reason for cancelling the AGM and restructuring the company so they didn't have to publish full accounts was that it cost quite a bit to little material gain. From his side of the desk, that was probably fair enough. From this side, I'm with Reg, it's one more element in a club more and more operating as a business that has distanced itself from it's community. Which is clearly exactly how Power sees it.

EDITED because as SiPie correctly pointed out it was Wray not Fitton that cancelled the AGM and moved us to a restricted set of accounts to save money


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 9, 2018, 11:55:46
Power may not care how popular he is, but it does have an impact on how the club is faring as it is part of a fractious atmosphere around the club. Publishing accounts would help on the openness front, not publishing them and the Kim Jong Un approach to the media adds to the impression of a distant and autocratic owner. Set against that, as someone has said, no-one would trust them anyway, they would reveal very little (they were published during the Diamandis years but because they were always in retrospect told you fuck all about how much shit the club was actually in) and would add to the running costs - Fitton's stated reason for cancelling the AGM and restructuring the company so they didn't have to publish full accounts was that it cost quite a bit to little material gain. From his side of the desk, that was probably fair enough. From this side, I'm with Reg, it's one more element in a club more and more operating as a business that has distanced itself from it's community. Which is clearly exactly how Power sees it.

If we were doing well people would not give a gnats bollocks about any of this, do you see Chelsea fans clamouring for Abramovich to publish the inner working of the club or give interviews (I am not sure they have ever even heard him speak).

As for the post above, I am not aware of Kim Jung Un giving radio interviews on a comparatively regular basis, likewise Flitcroft is now giving interviews after everyone moaned that Power ran the club, he steps back and now everyone moans about that - too many have bought into the whining from the Advertiser that they have been banned, when actually the club just stopped spoon feeding them stories meaning they actually had to do proper journalism and as they cannot be arsed with that it was easier to plead a ban, preaching to those who want to be permanently outraged. 

I agree that the club should have better links to the community, but as much of the community has made it clear that whatever Power does they think he is a cunt, would you bend over backwards to engage with these people, I know I wouldn't.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: pauld on Friday, February 9, 2018, 12:24:59
If we were doing well people would not give a gnats bollocks about any of this, do you see Chelsea fans clamouring for Abramovich to publish the inner working of the club or give interviews (I am not sure they have ever even heard him speak).

As for the post above, I am not aware of Kim Jung Un giving radio interviews on a comparatively regular basis, likewise Flitcroft is now giving interviews after everyone moaned that Power ran the club, he steps back and now everyone moans about that - too many have bought into the whining from the Advertiser that they have been banned, when actually the club just stopped spoon feeding them stories meaning they actually had to do proper journalism and as they cannot be arsed with that it was easier to plead a ban, preaching to those who want to be permanently outraged. 

I agree that the club should have better links to the community, but as much of the community has made it clear that whatever Power does they think he is a cunt, would you bend over backwards to engage with these people, I know I wouldn't.
Don't disagree with any of this, tbf - Power doesn't help himself IMO, but equally he will always be damned either way with a chunk of our fanbase. The Kim Jon Un reference was, clearly, tongue in cheek, and referred to the freezing out of local media except for the radio who seem to have been accepted as official mouthpiece of the regime. It wasn't meant to be an exact comparison.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: theakston2k on Friday, February 9, 2018, 13:07:23
To be honest I still don't think there's much difference between Fittons time and Powers in terms of engagement. Fitton would give the odd interview to the Adver whereas Power does this to the BBC instead. Fitton got rid of the accounts and diluted the share values so that most supporters who had shares (myself included) no longer owned any part of the club. In terms of engagement with the community and fanbase that much more controversial than anything Power has done. I think the only really difference is Nick Watkins, he was approachable and you'd generally get a response from him if you ever emailed him, he's was the only person that really engaged with the fanbase. We never really heard to Arbib and Black who ultimately owned us so that fact we hear from Power who is the actual owner is more than we got then. Fitton made mistakes and got us relegated to League 2 and Power did the same.... Power is no worse than anything we've had in the past.


As for accounts all well and good asking for them but if they do what Diamandis did and hide the extraction of money from the club behind titles such as 'Admin Expenses - £1,000,000" then it's pointless.





Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: RedRag on Friday, February 9, 2018, 15:39:08
it may be obvious which owner is the better and so on at the time.

ie Jed was obviously a """" and a """"

Otherwise I would suggest that the only time to judge is how they leave you (and even then you may have to wait a while before evaluating the new owner.

Andrew Black left us highly placed in League One, he wrote out a cheque but he sold us to the lowest of the low.
 
Will Power fare better or worse?


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, February 9, 2018, 16:29:52
To be honest I still don't think there's much difference between Fittons time and Powers in terms of engagement. Fitton would give the odd interview to the Adver whereas Power does this to the BBC instead. Fitton got rid of the accounts and diluted the share values so that most supporters who had shares (myself included) no longer owned any part of the club. In terms of engagement with the community and fanbase that much more controversial than anything Power has done. I think the only really difference is Nick Watkins, he was approachable and you'd generally get a response from him if you ever emailed him, he's was the only person that really engaged with the fanbase. We never really heard to Arbib and Black who ultimately owned us so that fact we hear from Power who is the actual owner is more than we got then. Fitton made mistakes and got us relegated to League 2 and Power did the same.... Power is no worse than anything we've had in the past.


As for accounts all well and good asking for them but if they do what Diamandis did and hide the extraction of money from the club behind titles such as 'Admin Expenses - £1,000,000" then it's pointless.


Actually the accounts disclosure was above and beyond under Fitton, it was only when Wray took over as chairman that it was reduced to the minimum published requirements.
It was clear the Fitton game plan was to shape us up for a future sale which was essentially all undone by the Wray/PDC era.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: phelpsieboy on Friday, February 23, 2018, 08:32:28
"After a successful term as Waterford FC’s Technical Director, Pat Fenlon has agreed a new role as a consultant to owner Lee Power on his world wide projects."

Certainly adds credence to this random rumour.

http://www.waterfordfc.ie/waterford-fc-statement-pat-fenlon/ (http://www.waterfordfc.ie/waterford-fc-statement-pat-fenlon/)


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Power to people on Friday, February 23, 2018, 13:01:22
"After a successful term as Waterford FC’s Technical Director, Pat Fenlon has agreed a new role as a consultant to owner Lee Power on his world wide projects."

Certainly adds credence to this random rumour.

http://www.waterfordfc.ie/waterford-fc-statement-pat-fenlon/ (http://www.waterfordfc.ie/waterford-fc-statement-pat-fenlon/)

He will either rock up here or over is Aussie with Sherwood as manager


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, February 23, 2018, 13:11:21
"After a successful term as Waterford FC’s Technical Director, Pat Fenlon has agreed a new role as a consultant to owner Lee Power on his world wide projects."

Certainly adds credence to this random rumour.

http://www.waterfordfc.ie/waterford-fc-statement-pat-fenlon/ (http://www.waterfordfc.ie/waterford-fc-statement-pat-fenlon/)

Pat Feline.... it all makes sense.

(https://vulpesffb.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/blofelds-cat.jpg)


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 23, 2018, 13:31:15
Having a quick look on the Waterford site I see that they employ gary Power as Head of youth development and Ray Power as U19 manager, I know Power is a very popular name in Ireland, especially around Waterford but I wondered if these 2 are related to Lee.

I also see they are equal top of the League of Ireland, OK its after 1 game but still... :)


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, February 23, 2018, 14:27:06
He has family in that area, so they may well be related.

Oooh, nepotism. The new thing to moan about.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 23, 2018, 14:51:28
Oooh, nepotism. The new thing to moan about.
And why not indeed, its all a conspiracy anyway.

I was actually wondering if it was the other way around, that they informed him of the club availability as they seem to have been there a while.


Title: Re: Random Rumour
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, February 23, 2018, 15:21:00
Having a quick look on the Waterford site I see that they employ gary Power as Head of youth development and Ray Power as U19 manager, I know Power is a very popular name in Ireland, especially around Waterford but I wondered if these 2 are related to Lee.

I also see they are equal top of the League of Ireland, OK its after 1 game but still... :)
Probably two drunken paddies who had their names changed by deed poll.