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A rare Boxing Day home game, looking forward to this.

An end to end 3-3 draw, 7,400 in attendance with 1,200 travelling Luton fans.

Let's get a run going!

:COYR:

2-2, with one of our former players netting against us.

Can’t logically see past another defeat - but the 3/1 a Town win was too tempting!

Don’t think Crewe was a decent barometer of turning the corner but we can hope.

Looking at ticket availability there’s a chance of hitting 9-10,000 with 1500 or so from Gluten.

If we seriously want to shake the top 3 positions a ‘not lose’ result is needed. Win this, and play well (I know, I know) could just be the confidence booster our home form desperately needs.

Looking at the shameful stats, we’ve won just 5 of our last 20 home games.

If I knew the policy would be to keep it down, I'd be more confident. Let's hope...

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1-4. Attendance: 8,116 (1,643 - they have sold 1300 advance and can pod)

If we keep it to below 7,it's a winner

Cheers

Goals galore today. 4-3 to the Town (That's Swindon) Attendance 9,102 with 1500 from Luton.

Big week this week. COYR !

They are top of the league and huge scorers with a plus goal difference of 34, 4 point clear at the top and spent massively this season.

Luton are 13 point ahead of us and unbeaten in 11 games in all competitions and have scored 7 twice this season and also scored 8 in one match.

We can't defend, even though we won away at Luton earlier in the season, at home we have only taken 4 points from a possible 15 in the last 5 games with just 1 win.

If we play to our strengths by keeping the ball on the deck we could have a chance but all too often we are slack at the back, hoof the ball up and our heads drop when we go a goal down, especially at home.

They have sold 1,300 and will probably bring about 1,600 and I doubt many more than 7,000 Town fans will be there giving a crowd of 8,650.

Lots of talk of their hooligans coming for revenge after a few mindless Swindon fans caused trouble away earlier in the season. Stay safe all those that are going.

I can't see past a defeat today I am afraid.

Looking at it logically, it is impossible to disagree with this.

However, football is as we all know, gloriously random.

2-1 Woolery, Taylor (Collins for them)

Further, we don't do mid week league fixtures.  There may be a chance of a point v Notts.

Sometimes you get silly results, but we probably had that at Kenilworth Road.

1-3 home defeat.

Key is who scores first, if it's us we have a good chance. If not we could be in for a long afternoon

We scored first v Cov... lost we scored first v ColU... lost.

The only hope is that the Luton lads had a particularly good Christmas Day, after an old skool works party.  

Although I think I read in the Daily Mail that the EU had banned Christmas in Luton.

Think the Luton massive will be getting wet. Seem to remember beating them 2 1 and their fans getting soaked. Maybe it's all the booze or the feel good oufc 0 wafc 7 factor but  think we'll win 2 1 again. Hopefully a good crowd and good performance and the naughty boys behave themselves. 

Is this available on ifollow ?

Cuthbert, McCormack and Stacey out for Luton

Same XI that beat Crewe. Twine on the bench. Let’s hope he can tie things up.

Not at the moment apparently mate.

Just Collins and Sheehan are the ex Town players playing today, Cuthbert and McCormack not even on the bench.

 Cheers JJ. I thought I was being thick, which isn't unsual

Nah its not you Dave, they haven't turned on the buy now link, I hope they do though but wouldn't be overly shocked if they didn't or had problems.

I will check out the Luton link see if they have one yet.

Link is up now!

Cheers.

Are they still not allowing 2 tabs?

Nope they haven't allowed 2 since the freebie game with FGR in the Mickey Mouse cup mate.

The Loos look like they are almost filling the away section.

Wankers.

That's another fiver they've lost from me then. I'm glad that I decided not to pay upfront, I'd be fucking livid if I did.

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Yeah it cant be too difficult to tie them together, they have a link in the corner for Home crowd and away crowd but it seems to do nothing.

Apparently some cunt's put song sheets on the chairs in the town end.

This person must be found, and destroyed.

Stand up JayBox.

Mullin misses a good chance at the near post, Luton seem more up for it at the moment though.

Very very wet conditions, Town players losing their footing a lot.

Sheehan getting a good TE welcome!

Great 30 yarder from Mullin tipped over the bar.

Awful miss by their number 3 from 5 yards!

Sheehan looking their weak link as all our attacks coming down to him being crap.

The Loos look like they have about 1,800 there today, a nice turn out on the Bank too.

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Hylton nearly chips Vigs from just inside our half, tipped over.

Sheehan and Potts down the left for them both look weak, Hylton and Collins both a handful against us so far.

Norris looking poor and very innefectual so far.

Mullin is up for a scrap.

Great 60 yard run down the right from Woolery, crosses and Anderson inches away from connecting from 6 yards out.

Sheehans corners on the right inswinging are a constant cause of concern though, hes put 3 or 4 good corners in.

Collins and Hylton both petulant.

Not sure if we are playing against the wind...if there is any...but none of our long passes are finding their target today.

Norris having a mare, Anderson not much better.

Luton much more calm in possession than we are.

Oh and Luton are a team of moaning whingers.

HT 0-0

Luton are a solid side but no better than us, they keep the ball down more though but the conditions aren't helping football.

Not great so far.

Their manager was the same as a player

We can't pass but pretty much matched Luton so far, not bad

Sent from my SM-G950F

Is PV there on his own?

Nathan Jones? I don't really remember him much as a player TBH.

Nope 4D watching at home (abroad! ;) ) but here on my own it seems!

I’ve actually thought it’s been quite a decent game so far.

Maybe that’s just in comparison to the usual dross that has been on show here this year

0-1 Collins

oh fudge

Ho hum

Get Norris off hes a carthorse today.

And we STILL hoof the ball into the box at every chance, pointlessly.

Dunne booked for terrible foul just outside the box.

Need to start winning the second ball.  We're not working hard enough.  Passing is atrocious as well, continual hoof ball to nobody.

The first piece of the jigsaw has fallen into place  :hmmm:

Sounds like Steve White has got a pube stuck in his throat.

0-2 Hylton diving header near post.

oops.

the first half was good.

Luton two bits of quality. 2-0. can't really say much more than that

Game over.  Ripped apart at the back.  Our pathetic home form continues.

Oh well, never mind  ::)

As long as we don't do what's now known as "an Oxford"

Midfield is totally ineffectual today, can't find a red shirt with any pass, Norris and Anderson may as well not be on the pitch, Linganzi looks a different player to the Crewe game, Dunne running around like a headless turkey.

Woolery the only threat we have when we pass the ball to his feet, which we aren't doing much.

Mullin good first half not kicked the ball this half.

The run continues at home.

And if we had Collins or Hylton or both then we would be top of the league too.

Mullin off Gordon on....wrong player has gone off at least Mullin tries.

0-3 Taylor og

Absolutely massive holes in the defence everywhere.

We are a total shambles at the back.

Indeed, Dunne has been dreadful today, would have preferred to see him go off and maybe try Mullin in Dunne's position.

Oh and it's 0-3.

If they don't go on to score another 2 or 3 I will be surprised.

Corrected.

We have given up at the back, this is utterly appalling and frankly embarressing.

Another 3 goals shipped at home in League 2.  Unacceptable and embarassing.  The Crewe result papered over the cracks.  Had we lost that, I think Flitcroft would have been gone after today.

Sack the lot them flickcroft outttttttttt. :badmood:

What has happened to home our form its ridiculous they should be ashamed.

4

Cheerio Flitcroft

This is bullshit, top of the league or not, totally waved the white flag in this half.

This was meant as a joke...but there is a real danger it could happen.

Time for flitcroft to go now embarrassing.  :bye:

All those 7 up Oxford piss takes could be coming back to haunt us :(

Xmas present.

How can he countenance the same ‘style’ that delivers humiliating defeat after defeat?

1st half vs Crewe a few days ago was the best we have played for a long time, this 2nd half vs Looton is the worst I have seen us play in many years.

Looking forward to some laughably shit mixed metaphors in Flitcroft’s interview. Throw as much “management speak” at it as you like David - can’t cover up your terrible record.

Fuck off back up north Flitcroft,you fucking useless cunt.

And Norris hoofs a great chance 5 yards over the bar.

Show some balls power  for once in your life are fans deserve better. :smugfu:
 

soapy tit wank

Iandolo still has rubber ankles!

 :creep:

Jesus fucking wept.. truly dreadful second half. awful.

Big budget my arse.

Flitcroft should go if he believes that those players on 2 year contracts would be ready if we go up. This squad is shite.

They'll probably come out with "against top of the table side, who are free scoring, it was always going to be tough. We didn't deserve to concede 8"

As bad a 2nd half performance at home as I have ever seen I think.

Completely embarassing. The team is shit, the manager is shit, the owner is shit.

Everything else alright though? ;) you have to laugh at times like these or it will get to you!

5 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

Jesus wept

Disgrace

We want 7

Flitcroft has made his own admissions in the fact that he wants new players in the January window. Considering he is responsible for the current squad one would hope that he walks.

Flitcroft outtttttttt thats it for me. :badmood:

8536 today.

Who is going Saturday?

I have backed Flitcroft until today.

Something needs doing and fast, new signings or a change at the top, something is not right.

Come on ref blow the fucking whistle, put us out of our misery.

no chance that he will do that. He needs a big shove

Corrected

3 more mins of this shit.

Glad I saved my fiver. Thanks for being useless iFollow.

Sad to be so close to the mark on all counts.

Thank god thats over.

Somebody has to answer for that, unforgivable performance.

If he’s not gone in the morning I’ll eat my own dirt.

Worst home defeat since 1999 vs Ipswich, Ipswich were good though and it was in the Championship.

Today we had no clue, no idea of how to play and looked like a team of trialists in a friendly.

How long has Power been at the club and why did he take it on?

You’re not serious are you?

Worst home defeat at that level, and most home defeats in div 4, both wrapped up christmas!

That has to be it for Flitcroft now, surely. This season is a fucking joke.

But we're only 3 points off the play offs😜

Hodgetts and Steve White are coming out with some insipid bollocks... :doh:

Mr Power don't make the same mistake as last year

Exactly... :nod:

Here's Flitcrtoft... :hmmm:

Nothing has changed... OK we got the worst ever home defeat in Div 4, but this is probably the lowest ebb the club has ever been at, thanks to Mr Power. The aim for this season has always been to keep league football at the CG and we're on target for that.

Fuck that. That's your aim Reg, no one else's.

That was about as bad as it gets. Preston and Linganzi absolutely useless. Not too sure on Anderson either to be honest, think we could do better with a loan Premier League player. Woolery has done well last few games on limited supply.

I’ve never bought into that. What’s the point of accepting a season pissing off more fans with no progression evident for next season?

Anything but promotion will be a failure. One might be a little forgiving if it was an entertaining failure, but...

You think so?....really??....seriously??  :doh:

Where has this aim been quoted Reg? Stop passing off your own opinion/wishes as representative of the club/fanbase.

no, Reg's aim is to get caught up in a relegation dog fight  :dog:

First half was enjoyable. First 20 they bossed, we came back into it and looked like we could score.

Second half, the only positive I can think of...it should have been 6. First 2 go in and every one of them gave up and went hiding. Dunn and Linganzi were utterly wank but most were not far behind. Woolery can probably hold his head up, the only one.

Well, it was a genuine worry.

But the aim for division 4 should always be division 3. Realistic or not. Even Diafuckingmandis managed it.

I am, fucking pointless. It may be the way we play, but there is no point to him.

Well I got one ain't happy with survival in the 4th division.

What utter claptrap

Where the fuck can Flitcroft go from here? How can he lift the team for Notts County after that debacle? We've found a way of playing away from home (thank fuck) but at home we're making zero progress. I still maintain that we have the basis of  top 3 side but there's no way we can achieve that with Flitcroft.

He's still talking a good game though so he'll probably end up with a nice little coaching number up at St George's Park... :hmmm:

We lack a goalscorer & an entire midfield. Dunne & Linganzi are truly dreadful.

We have dropped in to this division 3 times during the last 30 years. On the first two occasions, we returned to Division 3 immediately - under Sturrock in 2006/07 and then under Di Canio in 2011/12.  That is our track record.  There is nothing to suggest that a well managed Swindon side should not aspire to the same this time.  You do spout some bollocks sometimes, Reg.

I'm amazed that we're still in contention after such an average start to the season - but have a feeling that DF will stay in post for as long as that remains the case.

Olly Lancashire does not sound like Captain material to me. He could not have been any more uninspiring in that interview... :no:

If we don’t go on like a 5 game winning run after this then Flitcroft has to go.

This league is easy to get out of any old manager can do it. Like last time we were here. Manager input 0%

sorry DV but I'll have to disagree with that. a-hole with a massive budget maybe, but the match prep, fitness and game plan must have come from somewhrere

Also, I’m not going to say he’s some kind of saviour or he’s going to completely change the side but seeing Tom Smith get man of the match again it completely baffles me why he is out on loan! The game was mostly lost in the middle of the park by Dunne and Linganzi getting over-run, from what I’ve seen from Smith (albeit not much) he at least puts himself about a bit.

I think you may have been whooshed.

But with different/better management/coaching/tactics I suspect we will find we have all of those things, or at least only be a signing or two away from having them.

Very much this. The CM is woeful. Linganzi gifted them the 3rd.

I have to admit, I was trying to figure out exactly what DV's point was...

I wouldn’t expect to much from the game on Saturday, Notts C. Won away at Morecambe 1-4

oops

I’m not sure what your point is or you understood what my sarcastic point was.

Di Canio was a fantastically organised, well drilled manager with huge enthusiasm and passion.
That infected the club top to bottom and too the fans


We walked this piss poor shit excuse for a professional league and we were well on our way to walking the one above too.

...but...he gets no credit because he had a decent sized budget.

Flitcroft has a decent sized budget and we’re fucking garbage. The club is a shambles top to bottom and we are now the worst type of football clubs going; one of those just here to make up the numbers.

If STFC was an animal you’d put it down.
The club is cancerous and we won’t ever recover. I sometimes think we’d be better off closing the club down and startling fresh inthe non leagues.

Otherwise, get used to shit mid table win some lose division 4 football because it won’t be changing anytime soon.

I saw nothing close and pre season that suggested a serious assault on promotion, other than by binning the Swindon way and getting in a squad of mainly Div 4 journeymen with a few loans, we'd have enough to avoid a Chesterfield/PV struggle of our fellow relegated sides, and with Div 4 having a PO spot down to 7, we might be able to hang in there towards the end of the season.

That is kind of where we are.

sorry DV, I'm sat in the corner with a big 'D' hat on

It's not exactly the first time he's made it  :suicide:

As for today I'm surprised people are shocked, there was simply no way we were going to get a result today.

D for David Flitcroft

There’s a whole world of difference between getting beaten and surrendering whilst not being able to play even slightly effective hoofball

I suppose I just don't take that much notice of him. Sorry DV... :no:

And I don't think anyone is shocked by the result today either. Gutted, disappointed yes. Shocked, no.

We are rapidly losing any last bit of soul the club had left under Power. A disinterested owner who is turning more and more fans away from the club.
The football this season may be Flitcrofts fault, as are the results and the signings. But there is a deeper underlying problem.
The enthusiam from most fans has disapapered, even before this dismal run the crowds were low.
I have seen many a bad team in my time, as have most on here. But there has always been a togetherness with fans. Whether that is trying to get behind the side, or trying to force an owner out, it’s always been there.
It’s sad to see, but it’s not just the players who don’t seem up for a fight, it’s us the fans too. My worry is how do we get that back?

Just to put some flesh on the carcass of today’s decaying corpse. 23 played, 35 points. Based on last season 70 points would have gotten us into the last playoff place. So making a wild assumption that 70 points gets us there again, are we good enough to go all the way to Wembley and win? Is the current manager good enough to carry it off?

2 things.

Can we repeat our away form - doubtful, these home thrashings must be confidence draining.

Can we improve our home form - can see no reason why we can

Can we get the play offs - yes, without Flitcroft

And to ask another question, I wonder what the mood would be had home and away form been reversed.

personally I think I'd have been far more optimistic. I mean that's obvious, right?

No doubt that’s true. But it is what it is. The majority of fans are/were witnessing the absolute garbage at home.

^This.
I stopped coming to games when the backbone seemed to disappear from the club, in days gone by when we were poor at least there seemed an effort/interest to try and turn it around. Got fed up with lacklustre, stopped going. Not sure where my club that I followed for years has gone.

Good point. I tend to agree with you. However, either way, the margins for a successful season are balancing on a knife edge.

I'll always happily back up my thoughts with an argument. Our 3 promotions from Div 4 were all on the back of decent money spent.  In the Macari season, creative accounting. In the Wise/Poyet/Sturrock season racking up almost unsustainable debt. In the PdC season... Black's largesse.

This season more closely resembles the early 80's 3 seasons. Then like now we went down on the back of playing kids, under effectively an internal appointment former youth coach...then John Trollope, last season Luke.  Then the Directors had no money, and as gates fell, so did the quality of recruitment, as financial sustainablity was paramount.

Lou Macari's first season at this stage would look a bit similar to this,  only not so many points, if home form and away were reversed. However happily for Lou it was decent home form but terrible away form, which enabled him to get reinstated when sacked  after shipping 6 at Southend.

Lou however had the advantage 2nd season of recruiting players we couldn't afford, which came about as the Articles of Association were changed, a decision which has led us to where we are today with a broken club, distant from the fan base.

This!

I was expecting defeat but not like that....worrying when the first went in....players looked beaten...nobody talking...nothing.

White flag went up...towel went in.

Dreadful bollocks.

Haven't read back....when did we last lose 5 zip at home? Wigan, Wolves?....Norwich under McMoan?

I'd guess a 0-5 scoreline hasn't been achieved since the Prem season v Leeds.

Of course we did lose 0-6 v Ipswich.

I'd wager it's a hell of a long time since we conceded 5 without reply in a single half. If ever. Complete embarrassment, the lack of effort to even to pretend they were trying to get the ball back when Luton were passing it round to oles from all sides of the ground should have been shaming for any professional

Don't care as long as it's nowhere in the vicinity of the County Ground.

it is, and I'm sceptical away form can continue like it has. it would be unprecedented.

so similarly I should be saying home form has every chance of picking up.. but I just can't see it.. something magical is going to have to happen in the window.

Was going to make this point, the goals were actually only within 45 minutes which makes it even worse.

DV and Quaqmire have summed it up for me.  Sadly I'm one of the supporters who is starting to give up the fight.  The club is an absolute shambles and it doesn't look like that's going to change anytime soon.

If we start to struggle a bit away from home, things could start to look a whole lot worse.

What would it take for you to get back the fight? 

In Div 4 there are plenty of clubs who've had to go down to the Conference to get their mojo back... including Luton, and our old friends from Rovers and Oxford.   Personally I'll happily enjoy the fight of trying to retain league status, which under Power's ownership is far from a given.

Not read back. 100% time to go. Embarrassment to be done 5 at home when we’re meant to be some sort of capable outfit.

We’re not going down and we’re not going up under DF. Keeping him achieves nothing. Don’t blame Power at all for this season.

The Adver gave Dunne 5/10 (joint top)  :sherlock:

Was going to make this point, the goals were actually only within 45 minutes which makes it even worse.

DV and Quaqmire have summed it up for me.  Sadly I'm one of the supporters who is starting to give up the fight.  The club is an absolute shambles and it doesn't look like that's going to change anytime soon.

If we start to struggle a bit away from home, things could start to look a whole lot worse.

You can chart our decline year on year since LP took over, we're fast turning into a non league side which I feel sadly was the plan all along. All that talk of making money from developing players, well who's going to pay for any of the present side? We should also remember the low sell on received for our best players. I watched Aden Flint play against Man Utd and though what a poor deal we negotiated.At the start of this season my thoughts were of back to back relegations, we may not get there this season but we will with the way the club is being run, which is into the ground.To avoid the drop we need a root and branch restructure, which includes LP out, before he appoints another cheap option, no one else would want manager, who'll put up with a team of discount bin players.

It certainly feels as if we are in terminal decline. But I fail to see what benefit it is to Power to get us relegated.

Does he thinks he can buy the ground, essentially finish off the club and then redevelop the CG without a club dragging him down?

You fucker! That’s just what I was thinking and going to post.

I don't buy the conspiracy theory that Power wants non league football, rather that he's happy to run the club on a shoestring, and one of the accidental consequences of that may be relegation.

One of us fuckers had better win the Euro Millions pronto

I wish Power would fuck off, it's clearly not working out. On the condition we get a better replacement, of course.

I am not buying into the conspiracy theories though, I think he's just not very good at running a football club. I'll be happy if he proves me wrong though.

I've been giving this a bit of thought... prob back to the Prem season again when we shipped 7 at Newcastle, it was 2 at half time, so 5 in the 2nd half.... plenty of 4's mind.

Further thought reveals we shipped 5 in a half at Burnden Park in the late 90's... when losing 7-0

Home games may be further back.

You fucker! That’s just what I was thinking and going to post.

Does it seem like a coincidence that power has now made moves to purchase the GC after the Trust have made their intentions crystal clear in meeting SBC? Before the trusts involvement nothing stood between Power running the club into the ground or building a championship/premiership club. So which would be easier and or less costly?

Running the club into the ground to secure the freehold from the council (with nothing paying SBC any money each year it’s empty) does seem far fetched. Then again the rewards in doing so with no opposition or alternative viable proposition for SBC must be phenomenal.

Concur

Although he's not very good at running a club, we know there are worse out there. If he does go I'd like to see the Trust step up. If a club like Exeter can keep league football run by their Trust, we should be able to.

Cheers Reg. But even that was away. Today could well be our worst 45 mins at home in our history?

I guess it's relative but losing 4-1 at home to Barnet earlier this season was pretty desperate... at least Luton look the best team in this Div and score big numbers.

Barnet were happily 24th a couple of weeks back after only 1 win in 13 after their trip to the CG.

I'll look into the last time we shipped 5 in a half at the CG

Flitcroft said last seasons mentality is still here.

2 players in the starting XI were here last season.

Fucking idiot

Yeah, in relative terms you can always argue the toss, but in terms of objective absolute worst numbers of goals conceded I don't imagine there are many sides that have conceded 5 in one half at home

Well it's never happened in my life time.

Our first ever FL home game at the CG was v Luton we won 9-1

Would make a nice training ground for Waterford though.

First half I thought we did ok. Great ball from Mullin to Woolery who overhit what should have been an easy pass for a goal. The one thing that was obvious was how well coached Luton were. You could see the training ground moves. Three times in the first half they played the ball forward to a bloke on the line who would play it back to oncoming forwards. It never worked but was cleaver.
The second half they never tried it but everything was to feet, pass and move. Sheehan's crosses were causing us problems all game whereas Taylor rarely got beyond the first man. Everyone has covered pretty much everything else.
Why the fuck was Mullin taken off? Yet again, we lacked a leader. Who do the players turn to when it goes to shit? The heads went down on the 2nd goal and they never went up again.
The one comment Flitcroft said a little while ago that worries the shit out of me is that only what happens in the boxes matters. Given Dunne and Linganzi, I think we've got to take him literally. How do you expect to control a game if you haven't got a decent midfield. You've got to have a very efficient defence and we certainly haven't got it. Preston has gone from excellent to total shite. Lancaster I've never been impressed by. Taylor is as much a defender as I am a ballerina. Despite the shit he takes and being a Scummer, Purkiss is the pick of the bunch.
One thing we had earlier is that the team were together. Thats long gone. Has anyone heard anything about a possible Gurney/ Hewlett situation which may account for it.
So what have we got left? Today was really embarrassing but I felt worse losing at home to Eastleigh last season. In isolation this result isn;t an issue, but losing at home to Newport and Colchester was fucking desperate.
Today was was a day to impress some part time fans. I can see gates in the New Year going down to 4k and with that budgets etc. This club is going to need something to get back on its uppers. Given Powers ability to pick managers, we may be better off sticking and hoping. I wouldn't be sorry to see Flitcroft go but I have no faith in the next one being any good. Please not Taylor as a cheap option.
Its not been a great day.  

Honestly, I just don’t know.  I suppose it’s genuinely feeling that we’ve at least got the ambition to get to the Championship at some point in the future.  At the moment, I’m struggling to even see us returning to League 1.  Aside from that it’s the complete lack of football being played.  We’ve had managers before who haven’t had us playing nice to watch football, but there’s still been a level of enjoyment.  This season I’m getting no enjoyment whatsoever.  I don’t think that will change under Flitcroft.

I don’t think Power’s out to ruin us, but he doesn’t appear to be overly interested in the club either.  I’d like to see him move on now, but that’s easier said than done.

 Some of the away games this season have been very entertaining, we've scored more goals on the road than even Luton, however the home form has been desperate for 2 and half seasons now. On paper at least once we've got Notts out of the way, the home fixtures look a little kinder, not that means much, other than if Flitters can find a couple of decent signings in the window, we might be able to start building some form.

We probably need a new left back and new centre back and a couple of midfield players, I'm writing off Hussey and Elsnik. If Keshi goes back we'll also need another front man.

Some of our most abject performances at home have been against sides that on paper looked "kinder".

‘On paper at least once we've got Notts out of the way, the home fixtures look a little kinder, not that means much’

Which is like saying ‘don’t worry about Corbyn being PM, things will work out eventually’  :doh:

I'm not sure I trust him to make signings in January - the vast majority of players brought in thus far (bar a few of the loan players) have been awful

Yes I know, but 5 of our home defeats have been to sides above us in the table, and it's around now that the sort out starts to happen, so it's not impossible that we might find a few wins before seasons end.  We'll probably need 4 or 5 to guarantee Div 4 next season

The majority of Flitters signings have at least been OK, sort of uninspired Div 4 types, which because we're in Div 4 is to be expected.

6 years ago on Boxing Day under PdC, we got beat at Torquay, then we had 37 points rather than the 35 we now have, but that was sufficient for 7th spot.

PdC had made a load of terrible signings, fellas who were of no use at all in Div 4, but luckily for him he inherited some talent from the previous regime... Ferry, Ritchie, Caddis, Flint. Flitters hasn't had that luxury... the evidence suggests, he'll be able to get in some steady types who may be at least able to contribute something.

err.........Lou Macari ?

I'll be honest. I don't hate Power.

On paper his "total football" method, (or whatever you want to call it) made sense. Bring in some matey loans, try and play a way that attracts them and supplement the team with affordable league 1 players. It was a nice idea. It didn't work, and he was too late acknowledging it admittedly, but I fail to see how it was nefarious.

He got too involved and we wanted him to bring in a manager and let him manage. Now he has stepped back and left it all to the manager. Other than giving him more money (which he's hardly got a lot of in football terms) what else is he supposed to do?

All that said, I'm pissed off. I travel over 100 miles to watch every home game, and I do that regardless of how bad we are. The atmosphere at games is the worst I've ever experienced, and I sometimes think the game itself wouldn't be half as painful on reflection if there wasn't so much gloom around the place.

Something has to change. I just don't know what it is, because unless we get a Lansdown type I just fear we're going to get worse than Power.

Or to quote thisis


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‘Something has got to change’ has been a mantra for the club for 3 season’s now. After the first 6 months of the play off season it has been a steady decline under Power’s stewardship.

I think we all acknowledge Flitcroft wasn’t his first, or second, choice of manager but as a supposed football man he must have known what he was getting.

Staying in touch with the play offs isn’t reason enough to keep him. He’s no better at moulding a functioning defence then Luke was. It’s the disparity between recruiting youthful, pacy front players with defensive donkeys and no midfield whatsoever that does my head in.

But I suppose that was to be expected with his view that what happens between the 2 18 yard boxes isn’t important. Apathy seems to have enveloped the entire club and fan base, with people, like me, just shrugging their shoulders and deciding not to turn up any more.

This used to be a great little club to follow.

I agree with every word you've said there, and I'm a "happy clapper." I just don't see this beautiful day where Power leaves and everything becomes great again - which I suppose is part of the reason there's a general malaise around the place.

P.S go to sleep Audrey it's nearly 5am ;)

I drove from Paris, leaving at 5 in the morning, to watch that pile of shit yesterday. Fuck me, I'm pissed off. I was looking forward to watching the next couple of games while I'm over. Seriously considering not bothering......first time in nearly 40 years of watching Town that I feel like not making the effort any more.

First game of the season for me yesterday & at half time I thought we were not as bad as I was expecting. The next 45 minutes were horrible to watch. There just seemed an air of resignation from the players as soon as the first went in that we were going to lose the game. They strolled back for the re-start,no one talking to each other, the senior players should be trying to pick up the younger ones. No leadership whatsoever on the pitch which is worrying. Really in need of a Alan McCormack type who forces the best out of players. Don't really get the hate for Power, he says we've got one of the biggest budgets in the league and it is said he's stopped interfering with the playing style that we had to endure under Williams. Oh, and Alan Sheehan is a prick.

Power says a lot of things

1. Power will not go; that would require someone else to buy the club and I don't see many people queueing up to do that. 
2. If he had bought Swindon Town with the idea of running the club into oblivion so that he could redevelop the land (a) he could have done it a lot quicker than he has (b) it's a pretty expensive way of doing it (c) the ground/land is owned by the council and (I believe) has a covenant on it so that it's used for sporting/community purposes (d) he wouldn't have bought the golf club at Highworth.
3. I don't think Flitcroft will be going any time soon either.  As others have pointed out, although we're in a lower league and despite our dire home form, we are far better placed points-wise than this time last season.
4. We could do with offloading several players but, again, who would buy them?  We desperately need more than the 'two or three' quoted by Power.
5. What has Flitcroft got against the players he inherited from the previous regime?  His own purchases haven't exactly set the world on fire, have they?  Give 'em a go; they can't be any worse than those who have been playing.
6. Does anyone else think that Vigs being in the team has anything to do with our appalling performances of late?  We all suspect behind-the-scenes stroppiness from him so does his inclusion upset the team balance/spirit?

Vigs is indeed a joke. Acts all Billy Big Bollocks and reckons he's too good for this division when in reality he is a terrible keeper with no presence. When does he actually ever make a save? Will never forgive his cockiness in paying that fine in small change back in his first season. It's ironic now though since his record for conceding goals must be seeing his stock slump to a sum of pennies. Shit goalkeeper.

You mean our player of the season and only one to come through last season with any credit. As for cockiness and the paying a fine with coins who gives a shit, most footballers are cocks it comes with the territory.
The keeper isn’t the problem it’s a god awful midfield that are unable to retain any kind of possession or create anything so we can’t dominate even the most terrible teams. Also leadership on the pitch or lack of it is clear, Lancashire has been an ever present in an awful defence which suggests a) he’s not very good and b) he’s an awful captain.

 It's traditional for a keeper to be awarded player of the season in a crap team. Sympathy vote. I believe there are some footballers of decent character and such a trait is particularly useful in the responsible position of custodian. A good keeper shows leadership qualities by organising the defence and leading by example. 5 shots on target, 5 conceded yesterday, 38 goals conceded in 19 games this season. Shit goalkeeper.

By that reckoning, would you replace him with another 'shit keeper' who couldn't get a game for Coventry or our third choice 'shit keeper' who spent 4 games on loan at Dunstable and let in a hatful

How many directly his fault? Very few and as for yesterday the outfield players just gave up and let their players get into positions where they couldn’t miss. He was actually pretty good last season, people just have short memories and with none of us knowing what went on behind the scenes it’s the new fashionable thinking to read more into things than may or may not exist.
We have a piss poor defensive unit both at defending and with regards to possession, a non existent midfield and a manager devoid of a cohesive game plan.

I have to say a few opposing fans this season have commented how poor Vigs seems to be. I am sat at work now with my luton supporting boss whos first question was is he usually that bad. It's a weird one isn't it as he can clearly be a good keeper but he just doesn't want to be here does he to be fair

I don't think vigs attitude has been best.
He's our best keeper though.

regardless, in all honesty I'm not sure what he could have done with the goals yesterday,  they were either brilliant finishes or one on ones.

thought that lob was going in too.

edit: you know drs, I haven't noticed away fans making those comments. interesting. perhaps I have last season's rose tinted glasses on..

one thing I do agree with wondering about, whether his inclusion has upset the applecart

I'd play Charles- Cooke who seems to have a better influence overall.

Going onto The Adver BTL and presenting a well reasoned sensible case. What do you expect?  :)

It's the downside of buying a season ticket... without, you could easily just go to away games and not bother with the CG. 

Vigs hasn't looked great this season, but mainly because we know he can play better because we have seen him do so. So yes, poor attitude, maybe (coupled with shit man-management from Flitcroft), but to leap from that to "shit keeper" is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Massive overreaction.

welcome to the forum Mrs Charles-Cook

This.  Fundamentally there was no real issue until the 4 match ban.  Can't help but think Flitcroft has actually created the issue by not giving him his place back when tbe ban was completed.

you just knew as soon as Vigs tweeted 0-7 with laughing smilies that that would come back to haunt him.

I'd get rid of him personally.

I agree, I am not the "get Power out at all costs" but he clearly has no idea about running a club and needs to move on sooner rather than later, he has made a fair few bad decisions in his time with us for sure but are there any viable alternatives....really?

Who in their right minds would want to plough money into a bottom division club at the risk of losing it all with absolutely no gains?

Would a new owner be any better than the previous one? just look at Bristol Rovers for that answer....rumoured to be worth billions yet were only interested in development of the Memorial Ground, when that faded so did their interest in the football side of things.

Are there are interested parties? if so they have not made themselves known as I am 100% certain that if Power could sell the club for more than he bought it for then he would, hes no mug when it comes to money.

There is absolutely no way this man is WANTING to take us down, thats the most stupid argument of all, the lower we go the less chance there is of selling players for a profit or of selling the club for any amount of money really, each division we go down the clubs value is cut also and losing money hurts Power.

Yes get rid of him but to put the club up for sale in the public would immediately lower the asking price which Power will not do, it will attract chancers like Jed who have not the funds to take the club any further than it currently is at.

Why was Vigs wearing the Luton kit yesterday?
Just asking

 I heard things about flitcroft in the summer which alarmed me and showed he's a bit of a cunt to be blunt, but fans don't care about any of that if results are good - ala Di canio.
All that was lacking from the goals conceded yesterday was the Benny Hill theme tune. Unbelievably bad.

Di Canio while similar (essentially a bully) had charisma and infectious media personality, that carried him a long way. Flitcroft is a dull and boring.

Their budgets are world's apart. Di canio had an open chequebook.

I have seen crap performances at the CG over many seasons but I cannot ever remember such a second half capitulation by a Swindon team before. Like most people on here I would suspect, just seeing ten outfield players give 100% in effort and graft would go a long way to being acceptable, but not the abysmal shrug of collective shoulders I witnessed yesterday after each goal was conceded.

It is painfully obvious to me that where I thought three players in the transfer window might be good enough to lift the team it looks more like we need at least six and that may be an underestimate.

This.  Fundamentally there was no real issue until the 4 match ban.  Can't help but think Flitcroft has actually created the issue by not giving him his place back when tbe ban was completed.

During the second half I wondered whether the cause of our surrender was lack of fitness, or whether some of them don't have the engine to keep running and covering, or was it a mental thing. I would like to know if they are as fit as they can possibly be, which is all you can ask as a basis.

Yet I saw them at Yeovil. Go 1 down early and won it with 2 late goals.

Let’s not forget that away from home we are a formidable team. It’s just so obvious that the style away from home is not suitable for playing at home.

We are not the only team suffering from home-itis. Bradford are similarly inept at Valley Parade yet very strong away. Exeter were similar last season.

From PaulD. ‘Vigs hasn't looked great this season, but mainly because we know he can play better because we have seen him do so. So yes, poor attitude, maybe (coupled with shit man-management from Flitcroft), but to leap from that to "shit keeper" is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Massive overreaction.’


Paul, i’ve only been to four games this season but here’s my thoughts. Vigs came from Liverpool where at some point he’s maybe thinking that the big time is just around the corner. He then gets loaned out to us and shows some promise, the club buy him because clearly Liverpool don’t think he’s good enough for them. Now he is plying his trade in div4 after a relegation season and no one came in for him during the summer. He has had his fair share of spats and gotten away with it until Flitcroft comes In and has dished out what us oldies would call good old fashioned discipline. Charlie boys stands in a does okay, luckily Vigs gets his place back. It’s up to him to step up to the plate and perform for his employers in order to earn a better club. I agree with you he is NOT a shit keeper. We don’t know what caused that melt down for the four match ban but I suspect he has a problem with authority and self discipline, a poor mans Nile Ranger if you like. JTR, why should DF have given him his place back automatically his ban was over? I wouldn’t have. The ban was the FL/FA punishment, the clubs would/should be an internal fine, apology to the rest of the team and second choice until you earn the respect of the management and players to get the No.1 shirt back.

Our problem is not so much lack of fitness, but slow recovery time.  As pointed out we've a 100% losing record on Tuesdays in the league. Now this is the sort of thing clubs have fitness and conditioning people to look after.  I believe we have a body, but what sort of back up facilities do they have?  I'd imagine that in a career sense STFC is definitely mid table Div 4 at best.

So for example it's difficult to see us being able to get up for NYD a Monday after the Notts game.... and not because they've been out on the lash

Forget the Di Canio era, loved him or hated him, thats all in the past. Personally I loved the guy and if Flitcroft had half the passion Di Canio did we would not be in the position we are in.

 Yesterday's fiasco was a fucking discrace, I can normally stomach it until end, but yesterday I was back in the boozer with 15 minutes to go.    Don't blame one player in particular,  other than Woolery I thought they were all shit.  Several people on here keep sticking up for Vigs, I don't think he's much better than Reece-Cooke, at least he calls for a ball, when's the last time you heard Vigs shout ?,  
Not sure about  'Power out' would love to see him go, but at the moment what else can we or he do ?.
 Flitcroft, I'm afraid, he's had his chance, but again what options do we have ?.
Was looking forward to the Christmas period after the Crewe result but it seems as though the wheels have fallen off again, that short period of false hope is with us again,  not sure if I can stomach it again on Saturday and I probably won't be alone.

With regards to Vigs I fully respect everyone's opinions and most of us try to defend our players......but. it doesn't wash with me that he was once at Liverpool...he's not now. I think the keys to being a good goalkeeper, as much as agility and natural ability, are temperament, presence, communication and responsibility. We've been more secure without him. He's been found out. Not up to the job.

PS: Derek Acorah was also on Liverpool's books once upon a time.

I was watching our response after the goals. When Luton scored, they spent 2 or 3 minutes celebrating with their fans while our players trudged miserably back to our kickoff positions and hung around for a couple of minutes - they looked like they were just waiting for the opposition to come at them again.

Wouldn't it be better for the conceding side to have a quick huddle, gee each other up, maybe even delay the restart till we're ready, and get a bit of team spirit back before the game restarts.

Not just a Swindon thing, I wondered why other teams didn't do something similar.

I thought the ref allowed far too much time for Luton players to celebrate.  Im sure most refs tend to go over and usher them back not just wait like this guy did.  Probably didnt help our headless, leaderless little bunnies.

That didn't bother me.....all I wanted was the ref to book the fella that tried to take out Woolery pissing it down the wing... Obvious booking that and would of been my only sour grapes consolation.

Flitcroft single-handedly created the 'problem' that we now see as our players not performing or enjoying playing at home by banging on about there being a hangover from last season. He mentioned it in a couple of early radio interviews, which struck me at the time as him getting his excuses in early, and he's still banging on about it as recently as yesterday.

It's a fucking limp excuse that suggests that the home crowd are cunts, his players are pussies or that it's all Williams' fault for us being so shit last season that the crowd are quick to turn on them.

Based upon the assumption that he wouldn't openly slate players that he brought in himself, and upon the fact that he didn't see us play much last season, he must have been told by players, Power or staff members that it was toxic here at times under Williams last season and so he's using that excuse to buy himself time for shite performances and results at home.

Regardless, I've heard enough from this fucking idiot to last a lifetime. It's rhetoric, bullshit and childish management-speak every fucking week and its fooling no one, least of all Lee Power hopefully.

As we're all aware, this is a results based business and we're failing to perform at home.

Sometimes even the best and most accomplished managers can get the sack, if only because they are the wrong fit for a club at the time.

Flitcroft is the wrong fit for this club right now.

Regardless of away form, Swindon Town play in Swindon, in front of Swindon fans. It's where we get our sustainability from - gate receipts and revenue.

If home results are shit but performances look promising (or at least seen to be heading in the right direction) I think our fans have a great track record of sticking with struggling managers and players.

If home performances and results are shit, and there are no signs of a likely improvement or the ability of any particular manager to change things positively, the manager, chairman / board and players are going to know all about it.

In this case, town fans maybe a bit more sensitive to failure. That's probably not surprising given the shit that we've seen in the last few years, let along being fucking relegated last season.

The fact that Flitcroft is getting pelters right now is down to him, and it's going to get a whole lot worse. He knew the score when he took the job.

He's failing. The club are loosing revenue. Fans are staying away. Those who attend are fucking disgusted with most home performances and results.

If a manager puts out his own side, then openly claims that his players are afraid (or have a collective mental problem) playing at home in front of their own supporters, then he needs to walk away.

I don't believe we have a poor side. Limited, maybe, but we're not shit, as away results and performances have indicated (and yes, I credit Flitcroft with that success - but it's no good being good at half the job).

I think we can almost guarantee that someone like Martin Ling (with good health) would turn our home form round virtually overnight, and there are countless others that would do too.

We have a shit man manager who has unfortunately given our players a ready made excuse to fail at home whilst at the same time pointing a finger at home supporters for creating the problem.

A schoolboy management error: Lee, please relieve the man and his sidekick from their STFC duties.

I think given the shit served up for the last 3 seasons at home the fans have been far better than the club should expect. I've not heard it get really bitter. It's more of a few songs that fizzle out into a collective shrug of the shoulders. If players can't take that then they have no future as professionals. I think generally the fans have been good.

FWIW I think most teams have come to t he CG look faster an fitter than us!!  And most of them are far better organised on the pitch.

That was another thing.  He should have pulled the guy up for that but couldnt be bothered.

and another thing. he blew up 20 seconds early in the first half. toilet emergency?

I am not sure he has performed any better than cook though has he?

I think you are right, can you imagine one of the bigger clubs in downfall having fans stay as patient as ours have since Di Canio left? I can't.

Its like a lot of the fans passion has left them and are in a state of regrouping until we get someone in at the top who can galvanize players and fans again so we are a club again all wanting to improve and feeling that it will.

Unfortunately Power came in at a very bad time and was always on a hiding to nothing, he wasn't as "minted" as Black or most other owners of league clubs, he stated from the off he was only interested in improving previously rejected players to sell for money and not to further the club as a club, no interest in developing the CG, not integrating the club more with the community, no positive PR coming out of the club, basically he wanted and still wants just to make money from this club however he can.

That won't ever change with Power in charge.

The fans want players who give 100% or at worst 90% every game, want to play for the club, want to play for the fans and respect them as their main wage payers, a manager than can galvanise fans and players, put some positive mental attitude into the fans and club as a whole.

At the start I thought Flitcroft could be that, but it appears that he is doing nothing more than pissing in the wind.

Boxing Day we got the inevitable chants of "WE WANT POWER OUT"!  Now that's what I call pissing in the wind!!  As owner he is in the favoured position of totally ignoring it - which he did during last season's shambles.  If fans want to make themselves heard they should vent their anger on the current managment, regardless of what he claims this is Flitcrofts team and his signings and, based on recent home performances, it is total crap.  I believe he is on borrowed time.

All very true....but to repair an essentially broken club is difficult and will take time.  The key, is during that time not to fall further.  After that you never know in Div 4 as it's a different set up to the others with 7th being a Po slot, and only 2 down.

Take last season Blackpool, who make us look positively well run, had the look of a club heading out of league football, but Bowyer managed to stabilise them. Got to Boxing Day, happily mid table, but then went on a run of 1 win 10, quite a few draws though so ticked along, had a good spell in March of 5 wins in 6, enough to scrape them into 7th with 70 points, they then won the PO's.   They won 18 games in regular season.

Blackpool are possibly the worst run club ever in the football league but yes this is the turning point in the season.

If we can get a couple of signings in and go on a run of unbeaten games then yes we will go up, easily, as this league is utter dross. If we go on a run of defeats then we will drop, not out of the league I don't think but we could feasibly have our worst ever finish if things don't change.

What I and most fans can't get our heads around is how the players can look so good one game then the next its like they have never played with each other before.

The Crewe game on Saturday...at times we looked like we would be champions, lots of passes, good finishing, the midfield playing as a unit and breaking with speed, Linganzi playing brilliantly all game.....

Then a few days later in a home fixture we couldn't string 2 passes together, Linganzi looked like he had never seen a football before and confidence so low we wouldn't even tackle, we didn't shoot, most players looked like they have no future in football.

1st Half we matched Luton, they looked no better than us, but 2nd half, I have never seen a side crumble so easily.

Crewe, have stuck to their traditional football, it may take them to the non league... Luton are clearly half decent.  Notts, will probably have too much for us, but Barnet ought to represent a chance of getting something, other than it being an even shorter turn around than the Sat/Tuesday, which we can't do.

Then a our traditional mid season break, just a bit later this year... and FGR at home.  It will be very difficult for Flitters to survive if we lose that.

I think if we don't win 1 of the next 2 matches then it will be difficult for Flitcroft to continue, if we don't win any of the next 3 the same applies.

I think we will play better but lose by a single goal to County and then go and outplay Barnet and grab a win.

Meaning Flitcroft will still be with us into the New Year.

We've already lost this season to our next 3 opponents, so it is going to be difficult to get much... not impossible mind, but will need improvement on current form.

Powers comments are presumably made during a post-match chat.

He's not going to say what he really thinks, obviously, and definitely not off the back of a humiliating home defeat. I should think he's fuming in the background though, as we all are.

Look, football is subjective; everyone has an opinion.

The main problem I have with Flitcroft is this bullshit about players not wanting to play at home, or at least being afraid / worried / tentative or whatever.

It goes with the territory. End of.

Whether your the manager of West Ham, Everton, Crystal Palace, Swindon or Birmingham, if your team are struggling at the bottom, you're going to get heat. If on the other hand you're putting out a team that can't perform at home but are OK on the road, then that's a different kind of heat and, depending on how you handle it, it's something you should be able to correct, even if it takes a bit of time, and most supporters will cut you some slack.

Blaming the fans - which is what he's doing by implication - is fucking suicidal, and unless he turns it around convincingly starting tomorrow, he's effectively signed his own dismissal. Any credibility created since he arrived has been undone by this debacle and he's shown that he has a low threshold in terms of managerial ability and intelect.

At the very least he's alienated the home crowd in one go, which makes it very difficult for everyone involved.

As we've seen before, decent managers don't make excuses. They explain when things are not going according to plan and they generally have the majority of the fan base onside when they need time, which is vital.

He's now taking the dwindling number of supporters that are left attending games for complete mugs, his team is disjointed at best, his style of play is shit boring and by his own admission his players are now scared to play at the county ground.

As I said, football is subjective. We all have opinions. It's my opinion that all indications are that Flitcroft is not a decent football manager.

Seriously, we should get rid while we still have a chance of rescuing this season.

Yep. He’s cooked his own goose now. Most everyone agrees he’s a cunt.

But despite that we're 3 points off the play offs and 5 off autos with a game in hand. At home we've played shit and lost. Away we've played shit and won.
If we got rid of flitcroft does anyone think we'd appoint anyone decent or attract any decent players in January. I for one, don't. Despite this season being total shite, for all the wrong reasons, I think we're better off sticking with flitcroft. I think he's a twat, the midfield is a joke, and he's tactically naive.
As for stay aways. I know several who all want to fall in love again. They hate the football both last season and this. They would like to come back but it's so predictably shite.
I think things could be even worse and with power in charge I dare say they probably will be.

If you mean Power's comments in today's Adver article, I also thought at first they were made sometime after the Boxing Day debacle but I then found they were made ahead of the game!  Here it is: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05s3fzq

Spot on. 

Because at that point in time he was the better keeper.  Numerous players get bans, but generally if they are th3 strongest in that position, will reclaim their place when th3 ban is over. If something else went on behind the scenes fair enough, but that was never confirmed, it was just rumours about his attitude.  Vigoroux suddenly went from being 1st choice keeper to third behind Will Henry, which was nothing short of ridiculous.  

Do you mean before or after his ban?

Flitcroft clearly didn’t it think that did he? He’s the manager is he not? As you’ve succinctly pointed out ‘If something else went on behind the scenes fair enough,’ i’d Put money on it if I was a gambling man. Maybe he’ll be off in a week or so to pave the way for our new blow your socks off January transfer signings.

I have no doubt that Vigeroux is the better ‘keeper and Flitcroft know it. At first I thought RCC looked okay but the more I’ve seen him, I can see that his footwork is terrible - it is no surprise he ‘just’ misses so shots that isn’t directly at him - especially higher up - because his balance must be all off.

I’m with you.

The timing went something like this:

26 Sept - Vigs plays vs Coventry, and is sent off post-match. We’ll never know exactly what was said or done, but if he lost his rag in the tunnel, which is presumably the case, Flitcroft must have been aware of it at the time.

30 Sept - Vigs plays vs Cambridge and keeps a clean sheet.

W/C 2 Oct - Vigs is suspended and Flitcroft mouths off about how appalling his behaviour was, how Flitcroft was brought up better and would never stoop to such levels, blah blah.

If Flitcroft was willing to be so quick to take the moral high ground and publicly slag him off, then he simply shouldn’t have picked him versus Cambridge in the meantime. Once he’d picked him in that game, he just needed to put up and shut up.

Part of the problem was we’d hit fairly good form at the time, and whenever we do that Flitcroft relaxes and starts acting like a prick. We saw something similar in late November, when firstly he clearly viewed the Grimsby game as an inconvenience (only took half a bench, full of defenders... told the Adver we should never be going up there on a Tuesday night and he’d rather be at home watching Midsomer Murders), and then straight afterwards got all Total Football with his selections, doing the stupid thing with Taylor and Iandolo which I don’t think I’ve heard a single fan agree with.

I wish you'd learn to use the quote function properly ;)

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lolololololol RCC save v Notts County. Yeah he has no awareness at all...and isn't young enough to learn more and get better..... :pint: :pint: :pint: :pint: