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Title: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Barry Scott on Tuesday, November 7, 2017, 12:14:22
Hi

Trying to help find a laptop for a friend thatís able to play minecraft and is under £350 with the highest spec possible.

Any ideas please?

Thanks


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, November 7, 2017, 12:18:30
This is top of your price list but it can play Sims 4 so will cope with Minecraft easily mate.

https://www.ebuyer.com/797140-acer-aspire-e-14-e5-475-laptop-grey-nx-gcuek-003


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, November 7, 2017, 12:21:49
Without meaning to hijack your thread Barry...
I'm after something literally just to download the old Champ Manager 01/02 on to. Something cheap and cheerful if anyone has any ideas.


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Barry Scott on Tuesday, November 7, 2017, 12:33:04
This is top of your price list but it can play Sims 4 so will cope with Minecraft easily mate.

https://www.ebuyer.com/797140-acer-aspire-e-14-e5-475-laptop-grey-nx-gcuek-003

Excellent, thanks JJ.

Without meaning to hijack your thread Barry...

No worries, I think my end is solved!


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Bewster on Friday, December 14, 2018, 10:23:53
Bump :

For £500 or under can anyone find me anything they consider better than this ??

https://ao.com/product/4aq91eaabu-hp-laptop-silver-59775-251.aspx



Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Sippo on Friday, December 14, 2018, 11:03:49
We used to be a massive advocate for HP kit. The build quality is absolutely shocking now.


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Sippo on Friday, December 14, 2018, 11:07:58
That HP has a Ďnormalí hard drive. You want one with an SSD.

https://www.ebuyer.com/818880-lenovo-v330-15ikb-laptop-81ax00dguk

Someone might be able to find a better one with a better processor, but this will suffice.


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Bewster on Friday, December 14, 2018, 11:12:25
Thanks - but only 4gb RAM, i3 and 7th Gen.

The HP is 8gb, i5, 8th Gen


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, December 14, 2018, 11:41:37
Thanks - but only 4gb RAM, i3 and 7th Gen.

The HP is 8gb, i5, 8th Gen
The HP is a far better spec on paper but i3 will be faster in day to day tasks due to its SSD, to upgrade to 8gb memory will cost about £30, the difference between 7th and 8th gen processors is pretty small but you will lose some cache memory and a couple of extra cores with the i3 vs i5.

For all round use I would probably recommend the Lenovo, a core i5-7200U with 8gb memory and a 256gb SSD @ £439.

https://www.ebuyer.com/835633-lenovo-v130-laptop-81hn00fauk

Or a similar spec HP @ £469.

https://www.ebuyer.com/805720-hp-250-g6-i5-laptop-2sy46es-2sy46es-abu



Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Bewster on Friday, December 14, 2018, 12:12:12
Thanks JJ

I'd like more space than 256gb if poss


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, December 14, 2018, 12:18:03
Thanks JJ

I'd like more space than 256gb if poss
Thats a shame mate, you won't get more with the budget if you are after an SSD but you could without one, I personally would never buy a laptop or PC without an SSD as the gains far far outweight the negatives.

Would an external drive not work for you?

I promise you that the difference in speed between SSD and HDD will be absolutely noticable, when you go SSD you never go back, the response of Windows to and SSD is excellent and very noticable, every loads faster and pages of web sites open quicker etc etc and boot times got from about 1 minute to around 10 seconds.

But if you have set your heart on big storage at the expense of useablility then I can look for different solutions mate.


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, December 14, 2018, 12:21:26
Think you can have both in that Lenovo


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, December 14, 2018, 12:22:10
Thats a shame mate, you won't get more with the budget if you are after an SSD but you could without one, I personally would never buy a laptop or PC without an SSD as the gains far far outweight the negatives.

Would an external drive not work for you?

I promise you that the difference in speed between SSD and HDD will be absolutely noticable, when you go SSD you never go back, the response of Windows to and SSD is excellent and very noticable, every loads faster and pages of web sites open quicker etc etc and boot times got from about 1 minute to around 10 seconds.

But if you have set your heart on big storage at the expense of useablility then I can look for different solutions mate.

Just got a new HP laptop, had nowt to do with specification as we how have IT support (hence why I am rarely moaning on here now :hmmm:) and no idea what model it is, but its boots like shit off a shovel so I assume it has one of these new fangled SSD things you speak of!  :D


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, December 14, 2018, 12:25:41
Just got a new HP laptop, had nowt to do with specification as we how have IT support (hence why I am rarely moaning on here now :hmmm:) and no idea what model it is, but its boots like shit off a shovel so I assume it has one of these new fangled SSD things you speak of!  :D
Yep thats the reason :) the SSD is an amazing peice of kit.


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Bewster on Friday, December 14, 2018, 12:26:08
Would an external drive not work for you?

I promise you that the difference in speed between SSD and HDD will be absolutely noticable, when you go SSD you never go back, the response of Windows to and SSD is excellent and very noticable, every loads faster and pages of web sites open quicker etc etc and boot times got from about 1 minute to around 10 seconds.


Yes an external drive would work, as would holding stuff in the cloud if it makes that much difference.  


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, December 14, 2018, 12:31:54
Yes an external drive would work, as would holding stuff in the cloud if it makes that much difference. 
The benefits of SSD will be noticeable straight away mate, well worth it if you can cloud or external drive stuff. But it is your call, only you can say.

Think you can have both in that Lenovo
I have checked online and can see no space for a standard 2.5" in the spec as it uses an M2 internally, so not 100% sure.


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, December 14, 2018, 13:00:59
The benefits of SSD will be noticeable straight away mate, well worth it if you can cloud or external drive stuff. But it is your call, only you can say.
I have checked online and can see no space for a standard 2.5" in the spec as it uses an M2 internally, so not 100% sure.

Storage devices   
HDD: 2.5-inch, 7 mm, SATA 3 (SATA 2 compatible), 500 GB / 1 TB / 2 TB
SSD: M.2/SATA 2.5-inch, 128 GB / 256 GB / 512 GB

https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/gb/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/lenovo-v-series-laptops/v130-15ikb/solutions/PD500165


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, December 14, 2018, 13:03:27
Storage devices   
HDD: 2.5-inch, 7 mm, SATA 3 (SATA 2 compatible), 500 GB / 1 TB / 2 TB
SSD: M.2/SATA 2.5-inch, 128 GB / 256 GB / 512 GB

https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/gb/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/lenovo-v-series-laptops/v130-15ikb/solutions/PD500165
If indeed this is the case then the choice is easy, buy a cheap 1tb (£38ish) for storage and the laptop with the SSD negating the need for cloud or external strorage.


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, December 14, 2018, 13:12:07
If indeed this is the case then the choice is easy, buy a cheap 1tb (£38ish) for storage and the laptop with the SSD negating the need for cloud or external strorage.

Yeah best ask Lenovo and/or the seller if it's possible before buying! Otherwise an external hard drive is a good option.


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, December 14, 2018, 13:14:25
Yeah best ask Lenovo and/or the seller if it's possible before buying! Otherwise an external hard drive is a good option.
Absolutely as the Ebuyer site doesn't mention the exact model number just that its a V130 and there are apparently 6 variation of that model.


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, December 14, 2018, 15:03:29
Storage devices   
HDD: 2.5-inch, 7 mm, SATA 3 (SATA 2 compatible), 500 GB / 1 TB / 2 TB
SSD: M.2/SATA 2.5-inch, 128 GB / 256 GB / 512 GB

https://pcsupport.lenovo.com/gb/en/products/laptops-and-netbooks/lenovo-v-series-laptops/v130-15ikb/solutions/PD500165

Surely it's a choice of one of those options?


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, December 14, 2018, 16:25:16
Surely it's a choice of one of those options?

Out of the factory but the ssd isn't a 2.5" drive so unless they build several chassis for the same model it would indicate there is also a free 2.5" bay.


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, December 14, 2018, 22:09:44
I imagine it goes in the same slot with some sort of adaptor. But these are all guesses tbf.

Never seen a laptop with multiple drive bays (not saying they don't exist).


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, December 15, 2018, 10:52:34
Never seen a laptop with multiple drive bays (not saying they don't exist).
I have worked on many laptops with 2 drive bays but they are usually only high end £1,000+ laptops, the M2 in that laptop does not occupy a drive bay as it sits in the NVMe slot on the motherboard.


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Saturday, December 15, 2018, 16:13:10
I stand corrected


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Simon Pieman on Saturday, December 15, 2018, 19:51:33
I'll split this topic tomorrow when I'm not on my mobile but the service manual states it has both options.

The reason I had a hunch is that I have read about Lenovo dual SSD and HDD. You can also get adapters to convert the optical drive to a 2.5" drive.


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Bewster on Monday, December 17, 2018, 11:33:08
So this is where I start to show my ignorance but for the sake of argument, assume 3 laptops are equal spec (same 8 GB, RAM, Same 256gb SSD) apart from the processors :

one has : Intel Core i7-7500U 2.7GHz

one has : Intel Core i5-7200U 2.5GHz

and the other has  : Intel Core i5-8250U 1.6GHz

and they are all within £30 of each other, what would be the best buy ??


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Sippo on Monday, December 17, 2018, 11:49:32
In my opinion it depends on the manufacturer. Like I have said previously, HP build quality has dropped considerably.


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Simon Pieman on Monday, December 17, 2018, 11:50:57
The i5-8250u is miles better than the others.


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, December 17, 2018, 12:04:24
So this is where I start to show my ignorance but for the sake of argument, assume 3 laptops are equal spec (same 8 GB, RAM, Same 256gb SSD) apart from the processors :

one has : Intel Core i7-7500U 2.7GHz

one has : Intel Core i5-7200U 2.5GHz

and the other has  : Intel Core i5-8250U 1.6GHz

and they are all within £30 of each other, what would be the best buy ??

The 8250u is 20% faster than the 7500U which is 10% faster thats the 7200U in pretty much everything.



Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Bewster on Monday, December 17, 2018, 15:30:14
Thanks Si/JJ


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Ginginho on Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 09:14:00
Morning. I'm looking to replace our current Lenovo laptop which is so slow now to the point of almost being unusable.

Looking at something along the lines of:
https://www.ebuyer.com/799645-acer-travelmate-p259-g2-m-50yf-laptop-nx-vepek-008

What do you techies think?
Don't want to spend any more than £500.
Ideally with a DVD/CD drive so wiffy can play her old games and I can rip DVDs for my hard drive.

Ta muchly.


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 09:57:39
All under £500.

Same rules still apply as before, get the most memory (8gb is a must) get the biggest SSD (240gb+) preferably an m2 ssd rather than sata and get any dual core processor that is 2 ghz+ preferably with a turbo boost to 3ghz (although not that reliant).

All of these fit the bill better than your suggestion, if you need bigger HDD space then get an external to store films/music on but using HDD as a boot drive is so archaic now and don't bother at all with an ssd less than 240gb either. All are 1080p screen, and pretty sure they all have DVD too.

Makes are all a much of a muchness really with laptops but IMO Asus are the best build quality, HP and Lenovo both pretty decent too.

i5 system by Lenovo for £499
https://www.ebuyer.com/874325-lenovo-v130-laptop-81hn00nguk

Ryzen system by HP for £299
https://www.ebuyer.com/874549-hp-255-g7-ryzen-3-8gb-256gb-full-hd-15-6in-win10-laptop-6bn96ea-abu

i3 system by HP for £429
https://www.ebuyer.com/881017-hp-250-g7-i3-laptop-6mq84es-abu

i5 system by HP for £449
https://www.ebuyer.com/879510-hp-250-g7-laptop-i5-8gb-256gb-full-hd-15-6in-win10-home-6mp21es-abu

Ryzen system by Asus for £489
https://www.ebuyer.com/873529-asus-vivobook-15-k505za-laptop-k505za-bq676t

Wether you will ever notice the difference between and i3 and i5 in day to day jobs is highly doubtful unless you do a lot of photo editing/video editing.

Hope this helps.


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Ginginho on Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 10:08:21
Top man, will take a look later


Title: Re: Yet another new laptop thread!
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, May 15, 2019, 10:09:48
No worries at all mate.

Any other worries gimme a poke on FB.