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So who's fault is it that we are shit?

Is it Power, Williams or Sherwood? If Power sacks Williams, then we get a good manager in, is Power then loved again?

I did warn you all about Williams (see the lounge).

I am genuinely baffled on who's the baddie in all of this. Is Power really a meanie. Without him, would we have a club at all? I thought the cunt lived in Switzerland?

it's not an either or.

power has a model that is high risk and currently broken. it needs changing.

Williams is crap and not getting the best out of them. his style of play is boring and bollocks in league 1

Sherwood is pointless
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if power happened across something that worked for more than one season I'd happily be fickle and apologise. but let's not go jackanory..
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there isn't one view on this.. done people are done with power come hell or high water

Occams razor.

It's the manager.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/mediatechnologyandtelecoms/8488199/Premier-League-football-teams-lose-millions-on-printers-collapse.html

Who is the manager though?

Doesn't matter. Whomever it is is not up to it.

They're like the holy trinity of God, except there's not 3 of them.
They all amalgamate into one, for some inexplicable reason ("the Swindon way"?) that never pans out in reality. You can remove a cog from the system but it'll still basically function the same.

How can it be anyone else's fault but Power.

He's the instigator of the 'Swindon way' - in reality a smokescreen that enables him to put together a mish mash of a squad at minimal cost explaining the 'way' enables us to attract quality loans from bigger clubs.

He employs a coach to carry out his plan on a 5 year contract - something he is loathe to offer players which is the usual one year with an option.

He has had windows to address the glaringly obvious deficiencies in the squad yet recruits more of the same - lightweight, inexperienced youngsters with a couple of players not match fit due to not playing for their parent clubs.

God knows what the thinking was regarding Sherwood. The whole club is a shambles from top to bottom.

Power has stated his number one intention is to make money. He deflects any questions about financial matters and publishes bare bones accounts which reveal nothing.

We have to take his word, or not, on the health of the club yet all his previous business dealings point to a man who cares nothing about the businesses he's involved in and drops them in the shit when he can no longer make money out of it.

13 out of 17 businesses he has been involved in have gone bust - including one football club.

Very much this. That's why very few have turned on Williams. And it is evident to most that Sherwood was/is merely a smokescreen.If we go down I'd be very surprised if Power sticks around as unless he unearths a gem (ala lookman from charlton) then I can't see the club making him money which ultimately why he got involved with us in the first place. To get involved with Waterford tells me that he feels his time here is almost up. I don't trust the cunt end of.

All good analogies. Sherwood I agree was a smokescreen to dampen down fans growing dissent. His connections and experience just what little old ST need and any other platitudes you can dream up.

Other than away to Bolton anyone seen any green shoots of revival? Power as mentioned gives very little away financially (he is a tax exile in Switzerland FFS) so don't expect that to change soon. Waterford town?, Well that could be described as an insurance policy. If it goes tits up here, he'll disappear in a puff of smoke, if he can cling on then it's a feeder/development club for him. Other than tax and death only other certainty in this lif is Power took us over when were in the mire, when goes it'll be Ground hog day again.

The buck may well end with Power, but that doesn't change the fact that the manager is fucking useless.

So, if we had a manager that was getting results with the same players, would Power then still be the baddie? I would say people would stop moaning...

Most people would. The majority of fans are mainly concerned about what happens on the pitch. There would still be some accusing Power of being the antichrist, but it would be a really small number and a lot of them are using him as justification for not going to games.

there are a group of people that wouldn't stop moaning. I think most would pipe down, but retain a healthy cynicism.

Of course folk would stop moaning but that doesn't mean my view of power would alter. Rose coloured spectacles maybe but it  would be nice to have a chairman that we could trust/ have the clubs best intentions at the core of all the decisions that are made.As it stands, he sees himself as a 'businessman' that's purely in it to line his pockets.Ironic perhaps that we all ask for transparency when we all know this.

Williams needs to be removed as first team coach/manager, whatever his current position is.

Power tends to be pretty shrewd when it comes to contracts, so i'd be surprised if there aren't any contingencies in place regarding Williams' 5 year deal.

Whether he's relieved of his duties or reverted back to just being coach/cone gatherer, it needs changing now and a new manager brought in this week.

It makes me laugh when I see comments like 'He's ripped the soul out of the club' and other such verbiage.

Nonsense. It's just down to crap football and worse results. Play well and start winning and this 'soul' would suddenly return.

You are right, of course. But who is keeping a useless manager in a job - and why.

We can all theorise it's because he doesn't want/can't pay him off, or that he needs a compliant yes man who wont ask questions or ask for players he needs rather than what's foisted on him.

An experienced manager would ask questions Power wouldn't want to answer. Experienced players would ask questions Williams couldn't answer.

He's appointed 3 managers - all similar in that they are grateful to be given a chance with Williams given the sweetener of a 5 year deal that prevented Power from doing the one thing he doesn't want to - employ a manager who might kick back.

So if we were to get rid of power, and we back in a financial mess, would you be happy then?

Power has obviously invested in the club and into players.

A football club is a business. Any owner who didn't want to make money would be daft. He's the owner and it's his right to do what he wants. It's the same in any other business. If, as a customer, you don't like the owner, you go elsewhere.

So just change allegiances because you don't like the owner?

With respect, changing the football team you support isn't the same as going to Sainsbury's because you don't like the owner of Tesco.

If he actually came out with authorised figures proving our financial health, fair enough, I'd accept the current situation as just one of our usual cycles of shitness.

But because the only thing we've got to go on is his word - which, given his past business history, needs to be taken with a large pinch of salt.

We've been on a downward spiral since the Feb of the play off season. 2 years of total shit which shows no sign of ending any time soon.

If this is the best Power/Sherwood can do with a top 10 budget, I dread to think who will rock up at the CG next season in L2.

Well ultimately the buck stops with Power doesn't it? He has had 3 transfer windows to fix an obvious problem and hasn't. Williams hasn't been able to do anything decent with the squad and he kept him in.

Fair play he got us financially stable and we're not in debt, and he also gave us one half decent year and one very decent year (bar the playoff final) but you have to adjust and adapt and he hasn't. Williams is out of his depth but I'm not too harsh on him. It's easy to say "he should just resign" but at the end of the day this is his job and he's never gonna get another management position after this.

I'm pretty much as happy clapper as they get and even I'm fed up. I've pretty much resigned myself to relegation and to be honest, I don't feel like the 1 hour + drive & ticket cost is worth it anymore to watch the football we produce. Going down without a fight is unforgivable and that is exactly what we're doing.

Sherwood was a PR stunt. It didn't work. Hopefully he fucks off

in reply to fh, it really it does feel like the heart of this club has been ripped out in the  right here and right now.

it's more than just our poor results.

I think (as I've droned on) about that. ever since the playoff final the shutters came up, and the recruitment policy had been uncompromising and  consistently poor.

can a good season change it. I think it needs a major tweak to the entire approach. I can't see it, nobody can.

proof before belief

I totally agree on both parts.

Firstly, there will be more Jamie Reckord & Dean Parrett's than there will be Ryan Mason & Alex Pritchard's in the loan system..

Secondly, this whole season has a feeling of the one that we were relegated with Paul Hart at Wednesday away.

Power's model worked when we got to the play offs but has failed since then.

Having an even remotely competent manager would at least give us a chance of staying in the division.

Kenneth may well be the best coach in the world but he's proving to be an absolute disaster of a manager. We brought in Sherwood to 'help' him and it's only got worse.

Time to make some tough decisions Mr Power, this Sherwood/Williams nonsense has to stop and a new manager is required.

The current situation we are in because of the owners beliefs is summed up in one word....BORING!!!!!!

Bring back Kevin Macdonald

KM and Maurice Malpas dream team ticket?

The play-off squad was 1000 miles better than what we have now and that team got dicked 4-0

does that mean this team would have lost 4000-0..

:)

It all comes from Power.
I'm not a fan of interference from the boardroom (fitton for example)
But this fella takes the biscuit. Until he goes it will not change. Can only hope some rich fucker will buy the club from him and employ someone to run the football side with a budget set aside to do so.
Won't be holding my breath though.

Yep :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

can't see the lounge

Its what posh people call the front room.

Just after Christmas that season it was obvious teams had sussed out the " Swindon way "
Luckily we had some class in that team to stay above the play off line but it wasn't a great run in.
We were shipping goals back then but difference is we could score too.

We got blame someone haven`t we - so why not Power as he is running the club so it must be his fault - can`t see who in there right minds would want to take over except the club is not in debt which is worth something - how do you run a club on crowds of 6k - 7k - all the clubs have loans to survive in the lower leagues - our big problem this season has been the strikers - the worst I have seen for a long long time - Williams doesn`t come across confidently even when we do win - every time I hear Power he sounds like he is interested - god knows why and god knows who would want to put any money into the club as it stands - indeed all very confusing and quite depressing especially after yesterday`s result - its not looking good. Will Power leaving cheer us up.....?? I think I know the answer to that....

You're right there. I think Power's made a proper horse's arse of most of it on the playing side, but unless and until there's a sensible viable alternative I don't want him to leave. There's plenty of Jeds, Peter Pannus, Munto Finances and SISUs out there, be very careful what you wish for

I'd settle for seeing Power make some sweeping changes in personnel this summer and adopt a new approach, at least it would show some positive intent.

this.

I wouldn't hold your breath. He knows the game, remember.

Instead of concentrating on the Power Out - as a) he is going nowhere and b) there is no credible alternative at this moment, let get the pressure for Williams to go and a change in the manager / head coach role, yes it may not work we may go down anyway but if nothing changes I see us going down with a wimper not a fight, at least id there is a change it may fire up a few players to actually try instead of going through the motions

Williams won't walk neither will Embleton.

sCUNThorpe United highest attendance this season was just over 6,000

Scunthorpe United are owned by Peter Swann who is reportedly worth £340 million.  He subsidizes the team heavily.  Scunthorpe has a far bigger wage bill than Swindon.

Top post!

Its not nonsense at all. On the pitch we're not much different than the last two times we went down, but people clearly feel differently about it this time....because of what is happening off the pitch.

This!

If LW is sacked who are we realistically going to get?! Another yes man who will 'agree' to work with Power's way.

I cannot imagine a half decent manager with a bit of nous would want to work with LP controlling the majority of footballing matters on & off the pitch.

then you have to hope yes man v2 knows what he's doing.

the biggest worry is he would somehow recruit from within/recruit another youth academy dud. so yeah .. fair comment

but this isn't working either

There's got to be someone out there, probably in non league, who fancies a crack at a league club. Let's face it someone with even the most basic rudiments of how to organise and motivate, would be a considerable upgrade.

I'll give you a name Luke Garrard....has got Boreham Wood half way up the Conference, on the same points as Eastleigh, who we know easily took us apart. This Luke is even younger than ours, but has probably got some fire in his belly....which probably explains why he used to  :puke: on the pitch.

I 100% agree that LW is out of his depth and should of been sacked months ago, but suspect we will employ LW mark 2 as his replacement. LP needs to change his strategy for an experienced manager with a bit of know how, to want to come in and manage us but I think he is too stubborn to change.

A Justin Edinburgh or Martin Allen type (never thought I'd say that) is exactly what we need at the mo.
Someone who will organise the team, play ugly but most importantly get some passion back into the players.

Steve Lomas

Power should go all out to get Cotterill till the end of the season. That would be my ideal short term appointment. See how they get on and then Power can decide if he wants to go back to his Kidz About way of running things in May. Would give Cotterill the freedom of leaving if it wasn't to his liking as well.

I realise this is even less likely than 3 points at Sixfields tonight.

Pointless....a new man would need the window to recruit a few of his type of player. Wilson managed it in 08/09, on replacing Malpas, by bringing in Greer, Robson-Kanu and Tudur-Jones. That just about kept us up.  This season is gone...we're down. Power knows it, and tbf it does look like he accepts the blame.

I'm as fed up with the club as anyone but can't accept that we're down with 45 points left to play for, especially this year when the quality of the league is as poor as I've seen.

If we change nothing then yes, we're down.

We've a poor squad but I wouldn't say we're beyond saving with a serious shake up, yet.

I'd say a fit and non jailed Ince, and a fit and match sharp Obika may, just may keep us up.

I think the odds favour neither, rather than both, those conditions being met.

Gotta have a dream.

Does it look like we are going down? Yes at the moment

Are we definitely down? Has the season gone? No course it hasn't, no team 2 points safety in middle of February is as good as relegated.

It's going to be a massive struggle but we to suggest its done and dusted is ludicrous

 :nod: :nod:

We need the equivalent of 7 wins (or 21 draws) to get to the magical 50 points.

There is currently nothing to suggest that this can be achieved.

...and the magical number is 52.