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Title: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: pauld on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 14:51:22
In charge of transfer policy, tactics and team selection but won't take any responsibility for his shite decisions can't even be arsed to show up to the local derby. Fuck off or fuck right off?


Title: Re: Is Sherwoord the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: suttonred on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 15:00:14
A bit hasty until we know why he wasn't there.


Title: Re: Is Sherwoord the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 15:08:14
Benefit of the doubt as it could have been personal reasons.


Title: Re: Is Sherwoord the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 15:09:48
Ask him on Twitter next time a computer game needs some promotional activity


Title: Re: Is Sherwoord the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Barnard on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 15:10:16
If it was for personal reasons, then someone should have allowed Williams to say so in his interview.


Title: Re: Is Sherwoord the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: pauld on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 15:10:24
A bit hasty until we know why he wasn't there.
Not really in the mood for considered thought after that shite. And it's not just today is it - he's apparently been picking the transfer targets, team and tactics since October/November and consistently fails to front up for it. As I said on the matchday thread, he's built a team in his own image - gutless wankers who don't show up


Title: Re: Is Sherwoord the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: lambourn red on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 15:21:26
He is a gutless prick along with the rest of them


Title: Re: Is Sherwoord the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 15:51:14
He is being paid as director of football, not manager so he is doing his role (how many dof's sit on the bench and do media) BUT he needs to step up and be the manager officially as it's obvious Luke has no idea what he is doing, he only had to make 1/2 changes at 60 mins and we would have won that, Hylton would have had a field day getting behind their defence BUT due to poor management we didn't give him the chance and it cost us. Kasim needed taking off, Thomas seemed to be the only choice there and could have played alongside Thompson and protected the defence.

I have sat on the fence with Williams for while but he is obviously not any good at this part of the game and is the reason we are where we are, I have said it all season, we have a lot of quality in the team and shouldn't be where we are but due to poor management we are. Power needs to bite the bullet and put Sherwood in control of all matchday tasks.


Title: Re: Is Sherwoord the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: pauld on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 16:01:10
He is being paid as director of football, not manager so he is doing his role
Again, you're caught up in the titles. He was brought in to pick the team, tactics and transfer targets. Don't give a fuck what his title is, those are his responsibilities and he should fucking man up and take some responsibility for the shower of shit he has helped to produce.

Don't get me wrong, you're right about Williams being inept as well, and he can fuck off too, but he's just a front man for shit decisions taken above him


Title: Re: Is Sherwoord the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 16:16:31
He is being paid as director of football, not manager so he is doing his role (how many dof's sit on the bench and do media) BUT he needs to step up and be the manager officially as it's obvious Luke has no idea what he is doing, he only had to make 1/2 changes at 60 mins and we would have won that, Hylton would have had a field day getting behind their defence BUT due to poor management we didn't give him the chance and it cost us. Kasim needed taking off, Thomas seemed to be the only choice there and could have played alongside Thompson and protected the defence.

I have sat on the fence with Williams for while but he is obviously not any good at this part of the game and is the reason we are where we are, I have said it all season, we have a lot of quality in the team and shouldn't be where we are but due to poor management we are. Power needs to bite the bullet and put Sherwood in control of all matchday tasks.
Sherwood once played Nacer Chadli as a defensive midfielder. Putting him in charge of the team entirely is not what we need.


Title: Re: Is Sherwoord the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 16:17:15
Again, you're caught up in the titles. He was brought in to pick the team, tactics and transfer targets. Don't give a fuck what his title is, those are his responsibilities and he should fucking man up and take some responsibility for the shower of shit he has helped to produce.

Don't get me wrong, you're right about Williams being inept as well, and he can fuck off too, but he's just a front man for shit decisions taken above him
I agree.


Title: Re: Is Sherwoord the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 16:25:56
He may have an excuse for today, hopefully nothing serious.

But he's been here long enough and been to enough games for the general point not to stand.

Useless twat. Failed at Spurs, Villa and doing a good job at the hatrick here.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: THE FLASH on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 17:11:05
He has bills to pay...I would wait until sacked.

How many managers have been fucked off with teams actually above us?

We are fucked....


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: wokinghamred on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 17:34:28
I never thought I'd yearn for the days of Mark Cooper, but God, do we need a manager. Someone to take charge and take some responsibility.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 17:53:10
I expect he's gotten out before the situation worsens further and he has (another) relegation associated with him.

He'll be employed in the Championship by next August.

Whilst his signings have given us a fighting chance, his time here will not be fondly remembered at all.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 18:00:57
I never thought I'd yearn for the days of Mark Cooper, but God, do we need a manager. Someone to take charge and take some responsibility.
Meh... Cooper was clueless as well and was happy to blame anybody accept himself. It's become apparent that the players he and therefore Williams had available flattered to deceive on their ability to manage and coach. We've pretty much had 4 years without a manager capabale of mixing things up and having a basic grasp on game management including when to make subs etc.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 18:07:53
Meh... Cooper was clueless as well and was happy to blame anybody accept himself.
I agree and for me this was a major concern with his management, he never ever took the blame, fucking hell he even blamed the fans for one defeat saying the negative atmosphere made us not play to our potential....Williams is on par and I wouldn't want Cooper back ever.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: @mwooly63 on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 18:14:18
Williams is on par and I wouldn't want Cooper back ever.

Amen to that


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 18:19:25
Cooper's final match at Millwall still haunts me to this day....right up there with the worse town performances I have witnessed yet we somehow escaped without a hammering.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 18:25:23
Cooper's final match at Millwall still haunts me to this day....right up there with the worse town performances I have witnessed yet we somehow escaped without a hammering.

The chink of light I have is that he at least gave Cooper the boot. I'm assuming Power was at the game today so seeing as it was blindingly obvious to everyone else in the stadium that Williams was utterly clueless then Power must have seen it as well.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 18:47:13
We can only pray.

It's been mentioned about Power not wanting to pay up a 5 year deal....surely someone as shrewd as him would have all manner of get out clauses to avoid that situation? I'd be amazed if not but I just cannot understand how Williams remains in a job.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 18:50:43
It's been mentioned about Power not wanting to pay up a 5 year deal....surely someone as shrewd as him would have all manner of get out clauses to avoid that situation? I'd be amazed if not but I just cannot understand how Williams remains in a job.
This is what I was thinking, there is no way Power would not have an escape clause in Williams contract, its just not his way of doing things.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 21:05:39
This is what I was thinking, there is no way Power would not have an escape clause in Williams contract, its just not his way of doing things.

Had Luke been put out of his misery in October, when it was fairly obvious the present situation was likely to unfold, then I think a proper manager could have come in and Luke returned to his coaching position without a problem. Now though, it's too late, it's a shame but the fella has lost all credibilty with the fans.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 21:18:02
This is what I was thinking, there is no way Power would not have an escape clause in Williams contract, its just not his way of doing things.
I doubt we'd have to pay up anymore than a year of LW's contract if we were to sack him. LP paid Ling's contract up until the end even though he wasn't obliged to. Makes me think there's more to it than just simply getting rid of LW as it's quite obvious to all that it should have been done some time ago.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 21:20:52
I doubt we'd have to pay up anymore than a year of LW's contract if we were to sack him. LP paid Ling's contract up until the end even though he wasn't obliged to. Makes me think there's more to it than just simply getting rid of LW as it's quite obvious to all that it should have been done some time ago.
Very different circumstances though


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 21:23:13
Probably the most pointless appointment I can remember. Was clearly done to appease the fans and it hasn't worked. What exactly does this bloke do? Those Chelsea lads brought in, for instance, will have had fuck all to do with him. His money would be better spent on a decent footballer for the team.


Title: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the histo
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 21:37:50
that's directly apposed to what power said, he said all the signings in Jan were Sherwood - including the Chelsea trio

it's worse than pointless, he's got another load of lightweight kids who were not what we needed, and a player whose type we did need but who has been left out the squad.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: pauld on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 21:39:29
that's directly apposed to what power said, he said all the signings in Jan were Sherwood - including the Chelsea trio
Yeah, Power says a lot of things. Like that he doesn't know about the debts, "ask the accountants". Yeah, right.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 21:43:00
I have a sneaky suspicion that pauld is not very happy


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 21:44:15
Jimmy Fraser and Ian Howell both at Chelsea are previous coaches at Swindon and are pally with Jeremy Newton. Also Adi viveash is there too. Would have got those lads regardless of Sherwood in my opinion.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 21:45:34
You can't escape the feeling that Luke Williams shelf life has run out after 4 years. The players just get used to the same voice, same tactics and same training. You see it all the time that managers even as good as Mourinho have limited time they have an influence on a team.

Power made reference in the phone in to giving him the tools, aka the Chelsea three and LK taking back, more on the team selection. He has reverted to 352 today and the Peterborough game was back to tippy tappy. Their thinking is if we get good technical players we can reboot to Swindon 2014-15 model. That doesn't look like happening and we need to start grinding out results.



Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: nigel grays a postie on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 21:54:43
Power probably waiting for someone to take over from Williams who is as cheap as Williams himself. Cooper - with no proper League management behindhim can't of been on much, ditto Ling who was just grateful for another chance that few would have given him. Not like he is ever going to appoint a proper experienced type we actually need as that would challenge his and tactics Tim's ideas.

Today definitely saw a very unwelcome return to the ludicrous tippy tappy passing passing back between Vigs, Thompson and Branco instantly putting us under instant unnecessary pressure as Pox forwards successfully chased us down.


Title: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the histo
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 21:56:17
the power remarks were time in cheek and away of illustrating Sherwood's appointment is useless.

in all honesty I believe Sherwood has done fuck all for the club, and that he won't be here at the end of the season.

nothing has changed, he's no more than a smokescreen. I shouted people down for that. I now wish to apologise.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Bewster on Sunday, February 5, 2017, 22:30:59
He is a cunt*

* just a little caveat in case they sack Williams and he leads us into play off glory**

** fuck me there's a flying pig


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: otanswell on Monday, February 6, 2017, 10:43:42
It's his birthday today, bet that's why he wasn't at the game yesterdY


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Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Tails on Monday, February 6, 2017, 11:24:00
Biggest waste of time in our history


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, February 6, 2017, 11:25:05
David Peach level of shitness.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: herthab on Monday, February 6, 2017, 11:32:15
Sherwood is/was a smokescreen. He's irrelevant.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, February 6, 2017, 11:35:42
Rumour has it, he's walked.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: herthab on Monday, February 6, 2017, 11:36:39
Rumour has it, he's walked.

Will anyone fucking notice?


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Monday, February 6, 2017, 11:37:39
Good point


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, February 6, 2017, 11:39:40
Has anyone got the managerial stats from this season before Sherwood came in and after? I suspect its very similar but if he has walked then I don't think it will make any difference as many others have said.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, February 6, 2017, 11:49:22
Will anyone fucking notice?
No.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: tans on Monday, February 6, 2017, 11:50:21
Rumour has it, he's walked.

They wouldnt tell us if he has anyway


Title: Re: Is Sherwoord the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Monday, February 6, 2017, 12:57:18
He is being paid as director of football, not manager so he is doing his role (how many dof's sit on the bench and do media) BUT he needs to step up and be the manager officially as it's obvious Luke has no idea what he is doing, he only had to make 1/2 changes at 60 mins and we would have won that, Hylton would have had a field day getting behind their defence BUT due to poor management we didn't give him the chance and it cost us. Kasim needed taking off, Thomas seemed to be the only choice there and could have played alongside Thompson and protected the defence.

I have sat on the fence with Williams for while but he is obviously not any good at this part of the game and is the reason we are where we are, I have said it all season, we have a lot of quality in the team and shouldn't be where we are but due to poor management we are. Power needs to bite the bullet and put Sherwood in control of all matchday tasks.

Sherwood is director of football in name only though. As traditionalists understand it, the job he does is a manager. We have no one at the club with that title though, just a DoF and a Head Coach.

Roy Evans was DoF too in name only because King was never actually sacked.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, February 6, 2017, 13:01:54
They wouldnt tell us if he has anyway
It would be casually dropped into a pre match chat with Power some time in next seasons pre season as an aside note.


Title: Re: Is Sherwoord the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, February 6, 2017, 13:04:27
Sherwood is director of football in name only though. As traditionalists understand it, the job he does is a manager. We have no one at the club with that title though, just a DoF and a Head Coach.

Roy Evans was DoF too in name only because King was never actually sacked.

Roy Evans was a proper football man....soon realised he'd been conned and walked.

Luke should be tidying his desk as we speak, so as to keep some sort of integrity, atm he's making himself unemployable in the future.

If he tidies his desk now, it might avoid a PdC style nocturnal break in  :)


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 6, 2017, 13:16:42
Rumour has it, he's walked.

It'll be in the next FM if true.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Captain Beefheart on Monday, February 6, 2017, 13:31:29
Hope Sherwood has fucked off. And I hope his time with us cripples his hopes of getting anything like a half decent job.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: @mwooly63 on Monday, February 6, 2017, 15:02:51
Has anyone got the managerial stats from this season before Sherwood came in and after? I suspect its very similar but if he has walked then I don't think it will make any difference as many others have said.

Saw a post on FB today from some sports/betting site or other, it's 18% since he got here.
Probably not a great deal of difference from before he pitched up

EDIT

This one

(http://i866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/mark_woolhouse/Screenshot_2017-02-06-15-04-38_zpsywphpchf.png)


Title: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the histo
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 6, 2017, 15:14:26
in fairness you have to say most of those games were before the window slammed shut...

have we really improved since it did. ajose is a plus, ince is potentially a plus. and er, gladwin or colkett covers doughty departure...


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 14:29:59
He's at the development game apparently, so it seems he hasn't walked.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 14:34:10
He's at the development game apparently, so it seems he hasn't walked.
No he probably drove there ;)


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Ginginho on Thursday, February 9, 2017, 15:08:04
Good article in the Mail from Morshead.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4204670/Tim-Sherwood-won-just-19-games-Swindon.html


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, February 9, 2017, 15:23:24
Good article in the Mail from Morshead.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-4204670/Tim-Sherwood-won-just-19-games-Swindon.html

Won't be making Wiki. I know there's bills to pay but writing for the Mail..... :(

BTW Sherwood is a Borehamwood boy, Hertfordshire produces a very different sort to Bermondsey. Still facts have never been a strong suit of the Mail.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the histo
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 9, 2017, 15:43:11
great article


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Sam Morshead on Thursday, February 9, 2017, 16:12:19
Won't be making Wiki. I know there's bills to pay but writing for the Mail..... :(

BTW Sherwood is a Borehamwood boy, Hertfordshire produces a very different sort to Bermondsey. Still facts have never been a strong suit of the Mail.
Shite. Brain fade. It's changed. Thanks Reg.
Why is writing for Mail Sport so frowned upon btw? Don't get it.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 9, 2017, 16:16:01
Won't be making Wiki. I know there's bills to pay but writing for the Mail..... :(

BTW Sherwood is a Borehamwood boy, Hertfordshire produces a very different sort to Bermondsey. Still facts have never been a strong suit of the Mail.

Somewhat ironically 30 seconds on Wiki would have confirmed he is from Borehamwood, being published in the Mail I was waiting for the bit where our decline was all down to immigration and political correctness gone mad?

An interesting piece bringing everything together (has the FM thing ever been  mentioned on here?) it really is a pathetic state of affairs - although the animosity of the writer to the club was very apparent, although it reflects the sneering tone of everything the Mail writes so people not clued up on the history probably won't notice.

Our friends up the A420 and in Bristol will be delighted that our misery and general shitenes is in the nationals for all to see!  :cry:


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 9, 2017, 16:44:25
Shite. Brain fade. It's changed. Thanks Reg.
Why is writing for Mail Sport so frowned upon btw? Don't get it.
It's not Mail Sport per se, just the Mail in general, as one of the UK's leading "Post-truth/alt-fact" outlets. But then I guess you know that as you seem keen to distance yourself from the non-sport bit.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, February 9, 2017, 16:47:48
Shite. Brain fade. It's changed. Thanks Reg.
Why is writing for Mail Sport so frowned upon btw? Don't get it.

Lord Rothermere with his mate....

(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/12/6/1323183795982/Rothrmere.Hitler.jpg?w=300&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=6b9327bda16ed40fc562b64cb63dc1be)


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: Sam Morshead on Thursday, February 9, 2017, 16:48:55
Indeed. The sport section operates as an independent-in-all-but-name entity. Different budgets, very different mindset. We don't get invited to the MailOnline/Daily Mail Christmas parties, even. And there's not a political emphasis on back pages etc.
We do make mistakes, though. As Reg has called me up on.


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 9, 2017, 16:50:57
Pfft, Christmas Party invites or no, you'll all be up against the wall once Reg is in Downing St...... :)


Title: Re: Is Sherwood the biggest bottler in the history of football? Discuss
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, February 9, 2017, 22:56:05
Indeed. The sport section operates as an independent-in-all-but-name entity. Different budgets, very different mindset. We don't get invited to the MailOnline/Daily Mail Christmas parties, even. And there's not a political emphasis on back pages etc.
We do make mistakes, though. As Reg has called me up on.

If you wrote for the Morning Star Reg would lick your shoes. Anything else remotely non red is the work of satan. (written in jest, but not too far from the truth)