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Title: Luke Williams - ***CONFIRMED - HE'S GONE***
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Friday, January 27, 2017, 11:57:12
Why is he coming out with more bollocks than usual? The below 2 statements are from yesterday. The first one is actually a bit worrying as surely it's his job to prepare players for what to expect rather than talk shit and the players be a bit shocked on matchday.

"Playing in front of 14,000 at Bolton (January 14) is a far more challenging affair than playing against Bristol Rovers, with all due respect to Bristol Rovers, which is a club that I know, I played there as a young boy and it's a great club without any shadow (of a doubt).

Then he says this,why wind up a team 2 days before a derby match

Williams is pleased to have youngster Colkett among his ranks and explained how his loan at Bristol Rovers came to and end which allowed him to move across the M4 to the County Ground.
"I have spoken to Charlie and Charlie was on the bench for Bristol Rovers when they played against us, he went back to Chelsea and said 'you've sent me to the wrong club because the other team have all the ball'.



Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: pauld on Friday, January 27, 2017, 12:02:03
Great, so he's done Rovers team talk for them. Shame he doesn't seem able to do our team talk


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, January 27, 2017, 12:04:06
I've heard he's really not very bright. Even by footballing standards.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Friday, January 27, 2017, 12:06:46
And that's exactly the impression he gives when you listen to him too.

He's way out of his depth.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Friday, January 27, 2017, 12:09:48
Glad it isn't just me then i thought i may be reading to much into it


Title: Luke Williams
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 27, 2017, 12:23:39
I'm going to partially defend him. Not over this mind. But when I read his post match comments he seems to talk l sense.

when I listen to them I phase out due to his monotonous droning.

when it comes to addressing said issues, that's the real problem. seems clueless, football by numbers oriented stats based pile of dung.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 27, 2017, 12:25:21
Quote from: pauld
Great, so he's done Rovers team talk for them. Shame he doesn't seem able to do our team talk

given our second half performances I wonder whether stage hypnotism wouldn't be more up his street..


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 27, 2017, 12:27:15
Great, so he's done Rovers team talk for them. Shame he doesn't seem able to do our team talk
This. What a twat.

I backed Luke as long as I could but this is a joke, we need rid of the "best coach in the league" ASAP.

For me we need to remove LW and RE from their positions at the club and start afresh.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: pauld on Friday, January 27, 2017, 12:28:26
I'm going to partially defend him. Not over this mind. But when I read his post match comments he seems to talk l sense.
Really? All I ever hear him say is he doesn't know why this that or the other happened. Which is kind of his job, isn't it?


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Tails on Friday, January 27, 2017, 12:37:07
I think we should trash talk more. Remember how wound up Bristol City got because of us before the game a few years ago? It showed, they were flying into tackles and ultimately got Wade Elliott sent off. In the reverse match when they were calm they dicked us.

Wind the cunts up. We're not gonna win playing football, might as well try a new tactic.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Friday, January 27, 2017, 12:50:06
I think we should trash talk more. Remember how wound up Bristol City got because of us before the game a few years ago? It showed, they were flying into tackles and ultimately got Wade Elliott sent off. In the reverse match when they were calm they dicked us.

Wind the cunts up. We're not gonna win playing football, might as well try a new tactic.
The thing is i am not sure it's even trash talk i think he actually believes what he says and what he is told.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Tails on Friday, January 27, 2017, 12:58:22
The thing is i am not sure it's even trash talk i think he actually believes what he says and what he is told.

Fair point. He does come across like he's thick as shit.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Friday, January 27, 2017, 12:58:58
Everything he says is just puerile garbage. I gave up trying to get anything meaningful from him ages ago. Since resigning myself to relegation, life is a lot less stressful. Trying to find meaning in transfers, what anyone connected to the club says is pointless, a bit like we may well be until the end of the season.
Just take a leaf out of players, coaches, owners, DOF book and just turn up - nothing else needed, no effort, none of this thinking malarkey, a shrug of the shoulders when we lose and do it all again and again.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, January 27, 2017, 13:00:45
Of course if PDC said anything remotely similar, and he did, he would have been lauded for it. Really bizarre thing to have a whinge about.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: ronnie21 on Friday, January 27, 2017, 13:05:30
He sends me to sleep with his interviews, it is no wonder we are so slow at starting games - or as last Saturday, re-starting one!!  He needs to be gone pronto!!!  What I do not understand as fans are very willing to chant for Power to be got out (which we know will not happen) but leave Williams alone, keep chanting for him to go and it might just achieve something - remote as it may seem!


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: pauld on Friday, January 27, 2017, 13:05:43
Of course if PDC said anything remotely similar, and he did, he would have been lauded for it. Really bizarre thing to have a whinge about.
Not by me, I thought PDC was a tosser and still do.
Really bizarre thing to have a whinge about.
It really isn't. The ability to manage and motivate players is central to what a coach/manager does. And from what we can see externally, Williams does not appear to have this core ability or even to understand it.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Friday, January 27, 2017, 13:07:52
Of course if PDC said anything remotely similar, and he did, he would have been lauded for it. Really bizarre thing to have a whinge about.
The fact you seem to be the only one disagreeing (there is a suprise) suggests it isn't.

The point like others have made is Williams believes this. We know PDC said it for mind games.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, January 27, 2017, 13:36:00
PDC with us could talk the talk and walk the walk.

Williams can barely crawl at the moment.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, January 27, 2017, 13:39:09
 At any other club Luke would have been long gone.....he's a classic case of the Peter Principle of management.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 27, 2017, 13:56:08
Of course if PDC said anything remotely similar, and he did, he would have been lauded for it. Really bizarre thing to have a whinge about.

PDC got plenty of post match interview criticism.

He probably got given slack for his pre-match posturing because he was actually successful. If Williams had the same record he'd get the same.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: A Gent Orange on Friday, January 27, 2017, 13:57:14
All of this is just about the results: win and any old shit you say is great. Lose and you are a boring idiot. Same for Di Canio, Hart, Cooper, Williams, Malpas, McMahon etc.

The only difference was King. He won, he lost, he said some really strange things which made little sense grammatically.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: flammableBen on Friday, January 27, 2017, 13:58:57
All of this is just about the results: win and any old shit you say is great. Lose and you are a boring idiot. Same for Di Canio, Hart, Cooper, Williams, Malpas, McMahon etc.

The only difference was King. He won, he lost, he said some really strange things which made little sense grammatically.

King was way ahead of his time with his post-truth alt-facts interviews and statements. RIP Kingy.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 27, 2017, 13:59:35
King was way ahead of his time with his post-truth alt-facts interviews and statements. RIP Kingy.

Jerel Awful, Danny Invisible, classics :)


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Costanza on Friday, January 27, 2017, 14:06:52
I firmly believe that if/when Swindon lose tomorrow, it won't be down to those comments.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Private Fraser on Friday, January 27, 2017, 14:15:20
I firmly believe that if/when Swindon lose tomorrow, it won't be down to those comments.

But you can be sure that he won't be able to put his finger on what went wrong.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 27, 2017, 14:16:42
I firmly believe that if/when Swindon lose tomorrow, it won't be down to those comments.
We are going to draw tomorrow. I can feel it in my bones.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: leftside on Friday, January 27, 2017, 14:18:14
Great, so he's done Rovers team talk for them.
Really? On the inflammatory scale of things, it's hardly the Towering Inferno.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Friday, January 27, 2017, 14:21:53
I don't think it's even the doing their teamtalk etc that i don't get it's the fact that before a derby match he is basically telling young players not to expect much different to Bolton away.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, January 27, 2017, 14:26:45
Hell there are a plethora of reasons to slate him at the moment, is this the best we can come up with.

He's a dead man walking in most fans eyes so its time to get rid, if we suddenly picked up (unlikely I admit) too much has been said by many fans to go back without admitting that they were wrong, which football supporters don't do.

If you think our lot are bad there were some fabulous examples of fans calling  for Klopps head on 606 after they lost to Southampton, you know its bad when you can hear the pundits stifling a giggle at what the blokes were coming out with!


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: leftside on Friday, January 27, 2017, 14:30:11
Really? All I ever hear him say is he doesn't know why this that or the other happened. Which is kind of his job, isn't it?
I'd defend his comments after games earlier in the season - he showed a clear understanding of what was wrong with performances. However, he has clearly demonstrated that he is incapable of rectifying what has been going wrong.

Yes, he has increasingly been saying he doesn't know why things have gone wrong, which does, as you suggest, demonstrate he is out of his depth. Unfortunately, Sherwood has been a kind of lifebelt keeping Williams from drowning completely (or swimming competently on is own). As Reg has mentioned more than once, Williams would have been given the sack if he was anywhere else.  


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Friday, January 27, 2017, 14:40:33
Hell there are a plethora of reasons to slate him at the moment, is this the best we can come up with.

He's a dead man walking in most fans eyes so its time to get rid, if we suddenly picked up (unlikely I admit) too much has been said by many fans to go back without admitting that they were wrong, which football supporters don't do.

If you think our lot are bad there were some fabulous examples of fans calling  for Klopps head on 606 after they lost to Southampton, you know its bad when you can hear the pundits stifling a giggle at what the blokes were coming out with!
That's got nothing to do with the original point though. He could go ten unbeaten then great but i still don't think he actually understands it is a derby match or he wouldn't have said the following

"I don't think he could care any less, to be honest. I don't think any of us could care any less of what Bristol Rovers think, not one bit," Williams said.

"It certainly won't affect Charlie. I mean, the boy's been training with the likes of John Terry and God knows who else - the last thing on his mind is what Bristol Rovers think, to be honest.

"Playing in front of 14,000 at Bolton (January 14) is a far more challenging affair than playing against Bristol Rovers, with all due respect to Bristol Rovers, which is a club that I know, I played there as a young boy and it's a great club without any shadow (of a doubt).



Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, January 27, 2017, 14:52:52
That's got nothing to do with the original point though. He could go ten unbeaten then great but i still don't think he actually understands it is a derby match or he wouldn't have said the following

"I don't think he could care any less, to be honest. I don't think any of us could care any less of what Bristol Rovers think, not one bit," Williams said.

"It certainly won't affect Charlie. I mean, the boy's been training with the likes of John Terry and God knows who else - the last thing on his mind is what Bristol Rovers think, to be honest.

"Playing in front of 14,000 at Bolton (January 14) is a far more challenging affair than playing against Bristol Rovers, with all due respect to Bristol Rovers, which is a club that I know, I played there as a young boy and it's a great club without any shadow (of a doubt).



Manager in blowing smoke up the arse of young player shocker.....(obviously using the term in the cycling manner and not that of Julian Allsop)


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Friday, January 27, 2017, 15:12:11
Telling him he is quality etc yeah that's fine but basically having a pop at Rovers and making him a target is not good management.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Super Hans on Friday, January 27, 2017, 15:32:40
2 mins : Swindon substitution : C.Colkett replaced by A.Rodgers after a dangerous tackle.

Nice one Luke.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, January 27, 2017, 15:43:16
Read the quotes and despaired. Got to question what's been going on at half time as well with two 46minute goals in the last 2 weeks.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Friday, January 27, 2017, 16:12:55
Jerel Awful, Danny Invisible, classics :)
Did he really say those??


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 27, 2017, 16:32:28
Did he really say those??

The invisible one, yes.
The awful one may have been the Aberdeen fans.
I quite liked Kingy though


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Power to people on Friday, February 3, 2017, 14:27:40
I see Williams quotes today on having 7 subs saying it "the loan situation is something I have to manage"

Also he was involved with bringing in the 2 lads from Brighton

What is going on now, is he back 'managing' the team ? has Tim run away ?

Let's see what Mr Power wants to give away tonight


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Private Fraser on Friday, February 3, 2017, 14:32:39
I see Williams quotes today on having 7 subs saying it "the loan situation is something I have to manage"

Also he was involved with bringing in the 2 lads from Brighton

What is going on now, is he back 'managing' the team ? has Tim run away ?

Let's see what Mr Power wants to give away tonight

I read that part as saying that he was instrumental in signing those two for Brighton while he was there himself.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, February 3, 2017, 18:26:55
I see Williams quotes today on having 7 subs saying it "the loan situation is something I have to manage"

Also he was involved with bringing in the 2 lads from Brighton

What is going on now, is he back 'managing' the team ? has Tim run away ?

Let's see what Mr Power wants to give away tonight

Fairly certain it was meant to be Sherwood just undertaking Power's role?
Should be Sherwood on the radio if it's the case.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: suttonred on Friday, February 3, 2017, 20:15:10
If we beat Oxford, I'd listen to the tea lady.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Ells on Friday, February 3, 2017, 20:28:07
If we beat Oxford, I'd listen to the tea lady.

Is curly not there still? :(


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: pauld on Friday, February 3, 2017, 20:28:44
If we beat Oxford, I'd listen to the tea lady.
If we lose, you'll get more sense out of her


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Monday, February 6, 2017, 10:43:08
We can add this quote to one of the most pathetic things i have ever heard

We struggled to cope with the reality of being in front


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: derbystfc on Monday, February 6, 2017, 10:47:13
We can add this quote to one of the most pathetic things i have ever heard

We struggled to cope with the reality of being in front

That and Vigs struggles to concentrate when its noisy


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Ginginho on Monday, February 6, 2017, 10:48:41
It's almost Alan Partridge-esque.

If he comes out with this sort of shit in his interviews, I dread to think what his team talks are like, obviously not great judging by that second half performance yesterday.

He needs to go, and Embleton and Sherwood. This week.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: fuzzy on Monday, February 6, 2017, 10:49:25
having listened to his post match interview, I can understand how we fuck up after a half time team talk.....


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: pauld on Monday, February 6, 2017, 10:53:23
We can add this quote to one of the most pathetic things i have ever heard

We struggled to cope with the reality of being in front
Well, that's as opposed to the fantasy of being in front which is what it is most of the time. Although apparently the players also drop their heads when they go a goal down. If they can't cope with actual scorelines, whether for or against them, I'd suggest they may be in the wrong line of work.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, February 6, 2017, 10:56:25
Well, that's as opposed to the fantasy of being in front which is what it is most of the time. Although apparently the players also drop their heads when they go a goal down. If they can't cope with actual scorelines, whether for or against them, I'd suggest they may be in the wrong line of work.
Spot on.

Its all some kind of wierd dream for them. Happiest while drawing.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Sir Cliff Pipehard on Monday, February 6, 2017, 11:48:22
Fuck me,I'm starting to miss Paul Hart.

At least he decked that Pox fan in Witney.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Costanza on Monday, February 6, 2017, 11:49:37
Fuck me,I'm starting to miss Paul Hart.

At least he decked that Pox fan in Witney.

Haha, I'd completely forgotten about that.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, February 6, 2017, 12:25:27
Well, that's as opposed to the fantasy of being in front which is what it is most of the time. Although apparently the players also drop their heads when they go a goal down. If they can't cope with actual scorelines, whether for or against them, I'd suggest they may be in the wrong line of work.

Absolutely nailed it on the head. This guy just is NOT cut out for management at the moment based on the absolute drivel that comes out of his mouth.

The players are shit scared when we are winning and can't handle it and are shit scared when we are losing and don't know how to handle it. Jesus wept, this is what you are paid to fix. I presume that Williams is there for the brilliant coaching and Embleton is there to motivate because man alive I can't see Williams inspiring anything other than fucking Euthanasia.

Sorry but enough is enough, get Williams back on the training ground and get a proper manager in who knows how to get the best out of these players. If Shrewsbury and Oldham can turn their seasons around with Paul Hurst and John bloody Sheridan, surely we can get somebody with a bit of nous that at least might get the players fit and looking like they give a shit. I know many disagree but I think we have a half decent squad of players currently that should NOT be in this predicament.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Tails on Monday, February 6, 2017, 12:27:04
Luke and Ross are both nice guys... I think this is the problem.

Time for both of them to walk.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, February 6, 2017, 12:28:46
Luke and Ross are both nice guys... I think this is the problem.

Time for both of them to walk.

I think you are right here Tails. I can imagine Gladwin and co turning up to training and complaining of being a little tired and L & R letting them off doing any sprints today and just concentrate on shooting practice or whatever.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: nigel grays a postie on Monday, February 6, 2017, 12:39:55
Shooting is one of the many, many, many, many things they appear to need plenty more practice at.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, February 6, 2017, 12:44:14
Shooting is one of the many, many, many, many things they appear to need plenty more practice at.

I couldn't think of anything we are particularly good at so just picked that. Not sure sauntering around is a training drill is it?


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 11:45:11
His managerial record is appalling and only 7 managers have got worse records (all competitions). Lose the next game and he will have a worse record than Iffy Onuora.
Power can say what he wants about not bringing the right players in but the squad isn't much different in quality compared to last season, yet the record continues to worsen. At the same stage Mark Cooper was sacked last season our record was very similar this season. It's a complete mystery whilst he is still in charge.

To obtain survival we probably need 1.4 to 1.5 points per game. We've averaged just 0.97 so far so it looks far from promising. This says it all really:
http://swindon-town-fc.co.uk/StatAttack/AveragePointsPerGame.asp?Season=2016-2017


Title: Luke Williams
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 11:46:19
every Time be this thread get bumped, I think "quit?"

but no


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 11:47:09
7 Swindon managers? 7 currently in the league?


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 11:55:08
7 Swindon managers? 7 currently in the league?

Paul Hart, John Gorman, Jimmy Quinn, Les Allen, Colin Todd, Maurice Lindley, Iffy Onuora.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 11:58:34
ah I see.

you had me at worse than malpas!


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 12:06:28
 :)
every Time be this thread get bumped, I think "quit?"

but no

You've just gone and done that to me - and with the same result


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 12:06:55
ah I see.

you had me at worse than malpas!

It's depressing. I had to double check I'd not confused Malpas and Lindley!


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 12:10:20
is it based on win % or points %?


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Super Hans on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 12:13:43
Don't think we've much chance of seeing the back of Williams.

Wouldn't dare speak out against what's going on at the club. Keeps the boat nice and steady for Power, picks up a wage and now has the bonus of being in a position where fans don't know who to blame so he gets to share it 3 ways (oi oi) with Sherwood and Power.

Got it nice and cosy has Luke. Probably joins 'the lads' for PS4 nights and such.

Just the impression I have of the situation.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 12:20:13
is it based on win % or points %?

I've taken their records (all competitions) and given 3 points for a win, 1 point for draw and zero for a loss. From there it's done on points per game. Obviously cup competitions skew league performance but it gives a general idea.

Win percentages don't make a huge difference and the same 7 managers are the only ones with a worse record still.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 12:21:37
is it based on win % or points %?

Shitness of manager records needs to take into account circumstances in which they work....ie Division, financial state etc.

Most of our worst have been in a Div 2, against a background of chronic finances like Les Allen and Jimmy Quinn, or John Gorman, who had the Prem short straw.

Luke is up there alright, as Power tells us we have a top ten budget this year.  His only mitigation, in comparison, is he's not actually the manager, so we're not comparing like with like.


Title: Luke Williams
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 12:26:11
m blimey si pie, good work. thought it would be far more accurate than win %.

it is depressing


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 12:32:03
Don't think we've much chance of seeing the back of Williams.

Wouldn't dare speak out against what's going on at the club. Keeps the boat nice and steady for Power, picks up a wage and now has the bonus of being in a position where fans don't know who to blame so he gets to share it 3 ways (oi oi) with Sherwood and Power.

Got it nice and cosy has Luke. Probably joins 'the lads' for PS4 nights and such.

Just the impression I have of the situation.
Funny you say that when he was at Brighton he was renowned for playstation nights


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 12:33:33
not ...sure ...if.... serious


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 12:39:03
Totally serious unfortunately.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 12:39:49
They still happen


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Paolo69 on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 12:44:31
These playstation nights are worse than Hippy crack i hear.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 12:51:42
They still happen
Do they? Wouldn't suprise me at all


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Super Hans on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 12:56:06
Funny you say that when he was at Brighton he was renowned for playstation nights

Course he was. PS4 and a takeaway round mine lads. We're all friends. Keep the noise down though or Lawrence will want to go home.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 13:12:50
TBF, Williams may have many failings (and/or be being made a scapegoat for the failings of others), but I don't see that hosting Playstation sessions is exactly the crime of the century. I get the overfamiliarity with the players thing but he's hardly taking the whole squad out on the lash for a four-day booze'n'drugs rampage is he? Just strikes me this is getting a bit "any stick to beat him with" now


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 13:23:53
That's fair enough Paul. Do you think there is any other manager who will do weekly playstation nights with his players?


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 13:25:35
That's fair enough Paul. Do you think there is any other manager who will do weekly playstation nights with his players?
Don't give a shit tbh. Like I say, I do get the overfamiliarity with the players thing, just think there's bigger problems in the management setup than this


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 13:26:37
Surely it has a knock on effect in the way he manages though.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 13:31:14
Surely it has a knock on effect in the way he manages though.
Like I say, I do get the overfamiliarity with the players thing. Not sure how many times you want me to repeat this?


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Exiled Bob on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 13:36:28
One more time.... ;)


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 13:38:24
:) All together now - "Like I say, I do get the overfamiliarity with the players thing."


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 13:53:15
Don't give a shit tbh. Like I say, I do get the overfamiliarity with the players thing, just think there's bigger problems in the management setup than this
I'd say it's all part of the problem though and the overfamiliarity thing and friendship with certain players is a massive issue as it's stopping him from making objective decisions, his heart is overruling his head. Players get given umpteen second chances and Sunday the Rohan Ince debacle was case in point. Rather than act like a competent manager he clearly didn't want to upset some players by playing Ince (admitted as much) despite it being abundantly clear we needed a player like him to play.
Can't help but think it plays a part in his thinking during the game as well as at times it appears like he doesn't want to embarrass players by hauling them off early.

He doesn't like to have to make hard decisions, that was made abundantly clear last season when he said something along the lines of he'd rather have a "smaller group". A normal manager would consider quitting but that is probably a decision that is too hard to make so avoids dealing with that as well.....


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 13:58:52
Like I say, I do get the overfamiliarity with the players thing. Not sure how many times you want me to repeat this?
Hang on what you mean, so you do agree it is a issue but fancied arguing the point saying it's just another stick to hit him with even though it's a valid point.

I would say it's more than overfamiliarity as well


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 13:59:55
A normal manager would consider quitting but that is probably a decision that is too hard to make so avoids dealing with that as well.....
Its a shame it appears to be his decision.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 14:02:30
Its a shame it appears to be his decision.

It's reaching critical mass whereby fans might need to provide some encouragement.....


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 14:12:51
It's reaching critical mass whereby fans might need to provide some encouragement.....

It would be so much clearer cut if Sherwood fucks off .....

Maybe there will be a 2 for 1 a his local Nandos next match that'll stop him turning up.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Super Hans on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 14:17:09
There has to be a degree of fear otherwise respect and performance drops. Seen it in the workplace before - hated manager leaves, replaced by a team leader, employees get complacent.

I'd say the way we perform would be reflective of the way Williams is with the players. Poor discipline, poor fitness, no apparent improvement in areas we struggle in because they're not being held accountable for mistakes.

I don't know that Williams is like this for a fact so not trying to tear into him unnecessarily, but it would make sense and I'm convinced more of a disciplinarian could get more out of this group of players.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 14:18:08
For me, it's the lack of any sign of progress in team performance over his time 'in charge' that depresses/annoys me most.  The things that needed addressing after the Play-off season still need addressing and in many respects have actually got worse under his stewardship.

He seems to be a genuinely decent fellow who is probably very good at coaching the technical side of the game to teenagers.  He clearly hasn't been able to make the switch to team management, though.  That requires a different skill set and he just doesn't seem to have it.  

The pressure on him must be increasing significantly (you only have to listen to the drivel he comes out with in post-match interviews) and I really hope he doesn't stay around long enough for his health to suffer.  I wouldn't want to see him end up like Lingy.  Power has a responsibility to make sure that doesn't happen.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 14:21:18
It isn't made any easier by having the quality of his squad deteriorated, but I'm not arguing the point. The teams defending has been diabolic for months, although the back 3 or 4 have been OK in recent weeks IMO.

I don't agree with your point about pressure/mental health issues though. He should be sacked for being crap/lack of progress as you state.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 14:26:15
I see no evidence of him being a decent coach. I think that's as big a smokescreen as Sherwood. There is something very rotten at the club and it has been allowed to fester and fester and there are no signs of anything getting better. Despite Power saying Vigs not transferred as the money would not compensate for relegation, I see no evidence that Power wants us to stay up. We've been allowed to decline and it ain't stopping just yet. We never learn.   


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 14:32:45
Agree about the coaching

For me a number of young players have not kicked on as they should have in recent times, eg Brophy, Boo, Barry, Hylton  though this could reflect the strain of management


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Audrey's Bellend on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 14:33:07
It's all the little things that add up.

The reluctance to recruit any seasoned pros - doesn't want any boat rocking

The promise of 'jam tomorrow' if they sign for peanuts now.

The players being lightweight is just a consequence of their young age

To me, it's looking like the club is being run to showcase youngsters in the hope that 1 will eventually become an asset. There is nothing wrong with that, per se, but it's a scattergun approach with no experience to nurture the young 'uns.

Surely Power is aware that even a talented youngster is going to be consumed by playing in a team/style like ours.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 14:37:38
Who was it that actually said Williams was one of the most sought after and best coaches in the league?

Who said we fended off an approach from Sunderland and other Premier League teams for him?

Unfortunately I am pretty sure it was Lee Power, and only Lee Power, I don't think it has been said actually anywhere outside of our club.

This isn't an attack on Power but I do think there is a smokescreen concerning coaching at the club and I truly don't understand why, what have we got to hide/boast about?


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Captain Beefheart on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 14:40:29
What the point in being proclaimed a top 'coach' if the things that you supposedly 'coach' on the training ground bear absolutely no fruition on the pitch? The supposed 'philosophy' of Williams is a complete fallacy. I see nothing philosophical or purposeful about passing the ball aimlessly to the inevitable end of conceding chances and goals. Cooper's playoff side had purpose and some of that purpose survived in Ling's side last season. Now I see nothing.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 14:42:22
You only have to look at todays development team to see there are no real consequences for the shit the current lot are producing week in week out.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Audrey's Bellend on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 14:42:33
People either believe what Power says or they don't.

There's no way of verifying whether he turned down a bid for Vigs

Or if we really do have a top 10 budget

Or if we are debt free and breaking even

The rhetoric on a phone in is all well and good but there is absolutely nothing transparent about how the club is run.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 14:42:56
It isn't made any easier by having the quality of his squad deteriorated, but I'm not arguing the point. The teams defending has been diabolic for months, although the back 3 or 4 have been OK in recent weeks IMO.

I don't agree with your point about pressure/mental health issues though. He should be sacked for being crap/lack of progress as you state.
#

Has the squad really got that much worse since he took over? Apart from Ajose, I can't really think of one player we've missed or haven't replaced like-for-like.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 14:48:00
I think there is enough 'quality' in the squad to be a comfortable mid-table L1 side.  It's how they are being told to play that's the problem.  They under-perform week after week.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 14:52:30
People either believe what Power says or they don't.

There's no way of verifying whether he turned down a bid for Vigs

Or if we really do have a top 10 budget

Or if we are debt free and breaking even

The rhetoric on a phone in is all well and good but there is absolutely nothing transparent about how the club is run.

Power is good at keeping us guessing and many believe him.

Unlike Jed who came out with such tosh it had to be 100% bollox


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 14:57:51
He seems to be a genuinely decent fellow who is probably very good at coaching the technical side of the game to teenagers.  He clearly hasn't been able to make the switch to team management, though.  That requires a different skill set and he just doesn't seem to have it. 
Think this is the core of the problem. And I think Williams knows it too, but he's been overpromoted and doesn't seem to be able to step back down.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Audrey's Bellend on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 14:58:00
I think his USP of being the only ex-player turned owner has been shown to have no benefit whatsoever - if anything, disregarding the 'traditional' method of running a club, i.e.  the owner keeping his nose out and employing a manager to oversee all things football, is the main reason we are where we are.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 15:11:58
Power is a control freak who is unable to work with anyone who could limit or take away his control in any sphere of the club and the people he employs are yes men (or to some degree vulnerable as was the excellent Lingy)

That might work but if you are a non-dom there is no one in charge, only the player's best mate LW



Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 15:19:43
Quote from: Simon Pieman
Quote
It isn't made any easier by having the quality of his squad deteriorated, but I'm not arguing the point. The teams defending has been diabolic for months, although the back 3 or 4 have been OK in recent weeks IMO.

I don't agree with your point about pressure/mental health issues though. He should be sacked for being crap/lack of progress as you state.
#

Has the squad really got that much worse since he took over? Apart from Ajose, I can't really think of one player we've missed or haven't replaced like-for-like.

no not really, but it is far worse than the playoff year IMO, and that seems to be the benchmark of 'look it worked' ..

it's going to be difficult to replicate that with what we have.

I accept others disagree


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 15:34:42
#

Has the squad really got that much worse since he took over? Apart from Ajose, I can't really think of one player we've missed or haven't replaced like-for-like.

no not really, but it is far worse than the playoff year IMO, and that seems to be the benchmark of 'look it worked' ..

it's going to be difficult to replicate that with what we have.

I accept others disagree

I do see your point but we have got progressively worse since he took over


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: leftside on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 22:28:44
Williams may well be a very good coach, and one that the players enjoy working with. I wouldn't dispute that.

However, Sunday showed (again) that he is not a match day team manager. He couldn't address the problem that was staring everyone in the face. Either he was too blinkered to change his way of playing, or just didn't know what to do. Appleton's ability to address Pox's deficiencies not only changed the momentum of the game, it turned defeat into victory. Williams' inability to respond turned a winning position into a predictable defeat.

Ideally (for me), Power will keep him as a coach, certainly long enough for his reputation to earn him a move to a better club (he doesn't deserve to be shat on), and more crucially bring in a someone who can manage the first team and make it competitive for the full 90 mins of every game we've got left this season.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 23:23:25
I think it's probably past the point where Williams can remain on the coaching set up, especially if talk of dressing room unrest is accurate. I'd rather he was moved on entirely, as has been pointed out his coaching has not been fit for purpose for about 2 years now, with his 'reputation' appearing more Lee Power created hype with every match and insulting interview which we endure under his tenure.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: bathford on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 23:26:58
I see he got away with it tonight. We stay out of the drop zone as Oldham lost to MK. A 96th minute goal.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Ells on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 23:49:59
I think it's probably past the point where Williams can remain on the coaching set up, especially if talk of dressing room unrest is accurate. I'd rather he was moved on entirely, as has been pointed out his coaching has not been fit for purpose for about 2 years now, with his 'reputation' appearing more Lee Power created hype with every match and insulting interview which we endure under his tenure.

The majority of the "excellent coach" comments have come from players, at least any of the ones I've listened to.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Exiled Bob on Wednesday, February 8, 2017, 10:28:41
I think it's probably past the point where Williams can remain on the coaching set up, especially if talk of dressing room unrest is accurate......
Where has that come from? 


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: A Gent Orange on Wednesday, February 8, 2017, 10:44:30
Yesterday he was too close to the players, now they hate him. Sometimes the world moves pretty fast...


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Wednesday, February 8, 2017, 10:45:27
Yesterday he was too close to the players, now they hate him. Sometimes the world moves pretty fast...
To be fair he hasn't said it's towards Williams. Could be unrest between players?


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: A Gent Orange on Wednesday, February 8, 2017, 11:03:08
I suspect any team which isn't winning has some unrest between players. Probably quite a few which are winning too.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 8, 2017, 11:11:35
To be fair he hasn't said it's towards Williams. Could be unrest between players?

To be less fair he hasn't said anything apart from some throwaway comment, from someone with history of claiming to be ITK whilst very obviously not being ITK?


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, February 8, 2017, 11:16:42
To be less fair he hasn't said anything apart from some throwaway comment, from someone with history of claiming to be ITK whilst very obviously not being ITK?

The fact that it's Chang who has alluded to it, actually gives me hope that we have a pretty tight knit group.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 8, 2017, 11:16:44

The rhetoric on a phone in is all well and good but there is absolutely nothing transparent about how the club is run.

This is not entirely down to Power though, it all harks back to when St. Fitton and Black diluted the shareholdings to such a degree that if you didn't own the owning company they were essentially worthless (in terms of both value and the actual ability to have any say at all regarding how the club is run). What accounts do emerge are, due to the size of the business, so vague (but entirely legally compliant) that they actually tell you very little and Power chooses as owner to tell us what he wants to, I suspect that if we were doing well this would be less of an issue (I don't read about Chelsea fans berating Abramovich for his lack of transparency - at least we have heard what Powers voice sounds like!)

Short of just withholding attendance not really sure what else can be done, that's what modern football do to you! We hear much of certain fans having the wealth to do something but choosing not to, I often take such matters with a pinch of salt (all a little Jeddish for my liking) but we shall see.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, February 8, 2017, 11:19:59
Since when have we paid any attention to Chang's rumours?


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, February 8, 2017, 11:43:57
This is not entirely down to Power though, it all harks back to when St. Fitton and Black diluted the shareholdings to such a degree that if you didn't own the owning company they were essentially worthless (in terms of both value and the actual ability to have any say at all regarding how the club is run). What accounts do emerge are, due to the size of the business, so vague (but entirely legally compliant) that they actually tell you very little and Power chooses as owner to tell us what he wants to, I suspect that if we were doing well this would be less of an issue (I don't read about Chelsea fans berating Abramovich for his lack of transparency - at least we have heard what Powers voice sounds like!)

Short of just withholding attendance not really sure what else can be done, that's what modern football do to you! We hear much of certain fans having the wealth to do something but choosing not to, I often take such matters with a pinch of salt (all a little Jeddish for my liking) but we shall see.

True. Fitton/Black finished the job started in the mid 80's, of removing the club from its fans, this was seen as OK at the time as the price to pay for having someone with serious dosh, seeing off the CVA and giving the fans a bit of hope. Unfortunately....it opened the door for a Lee Power.

It should be pointed out at this time, that Fitton/Black, also got us relegated to Div 4.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Wednesday, February 8, 2017, 11:46:02
Since when have we paid any attention to Chang's rumours?
Don't think anyone actually is. I think they are doing that forum thing and engaging in conversation :)


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, February 8, 2017, 11:54:47
True. Fitton/Black finished the job started in the mid 80's, of removing the club from its fans, this was seen as OK at the time as the price to pay for having someone with serious dosh, seeing off the CVA and giving the fans a bit of hope. Unfortunately....it opened the door for a Lee Power.

It should be pointed out at this time, that Fitton/Black, also got us relegated to Div 4.

And handed us over to Jed McRoooaaarry.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, February 8, 2017, 11:59:38
And handed us over to Jed McRoooaaarry.

TBF, I'm sure SWP, no not the Socialist Worker's Party (still going comrades https://www.swp.org.uk/) tried to find something better than Jed, but he was the only show in Town  :(


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, February 8, 2017, 12:06:20
Don't think anyone actually is. I think they are doing that forum thing and engaging in conversation :)

The bastards.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 8, 2017, 13:07:51
TBF, I'm sure SWP, no not the Socialist Worker's Party (still going comrades https://www.swp.org.uk/) tried to find something better than Jed, but he was the only show in Town  :(

SWP took a bit of a shoeing in Private Eye a few months back, bought back some memories. Herein lies the problem, putting the club up for sale as demanded by many only has a positive outcome if there is someone better than the existing on the wings to take it over.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, February 8, 2017, 13:44:56
TBF, I'm sure SWP, no not the Socialist Worker's Party (still going comrades https://www.swp.org.uk/) tried to find something better than Jed, but he was the only show in Town  :(

Only really because they wanted a quick sale and didn't want anyone taking time to do due diligence, if it had been marketed correctly at the time and with Black willing to write of the debts (with debenture) then there may have been a few others interested but that is history now, we live in the here and now 


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Nijholts Nuts on Thursday, February 9, 2017, 21:17:48
I reckon over an average working day, I pause to check the adver site maybe 4 or 5 times in blind optimism that either LW has been sacked!


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, February 9, 2017, 21:28:22
I reckon over an average working day, I pause to check the adver site maybe 4 or 5 times in blind optimism that either LW has been sacked!
Or?


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 9, 2017, 21:34:49
Quote from: Nijholts Nuts
I reckon over an average working day, I pause to check the adver site maybe 4 or 5 times in blind optimism that either LW has been sacked!

and every time this thread bumps I get raised expectations..


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, February 9, 2017, 21:41:34
and every time this thread bumps I get raised expectations..

 :nod:

 Been like this since October, mind.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Audrey's Bellend on Thursday, February 9, 2017, 21:49:56
If we go down will Power sack him, though?

As for Power selling up, I would imagine any new owner would revert to the traditional management structure.

At the moment, nobody really knows where the blame lies - Power/Sherwood?, Williams?, players?


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Private Fraser on Thursday, February 9, 2017, 22:07:04
All of the above.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Whits on Thursday, February 9, 2017, 23:27:12
Yesterday he was too close to the players, now they hate him. Sometimes the world moves pretty fast...
made me think of this

https://youtu.be/HbR7axof1wk


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 9, 2017, 23:40:12
Sherwood, anyone anyone anyone.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: RobertT on Friday, February 10, 2017, 01:55:17


It should be pointed out at this time, that Fitton/Black, also got us relegated to Div 4.

Indeed.  Probably our "shot" at doing something significant and unfortunately the left the club marginally better than they found it.  As good as the results and all under Di Canio he probably spent more money on players and wages than McMahon did in walking this league, for which the owners must take some blame.  To have spent what we did and not have anything structural to show for it bar a better balance sheet is pretty negligent.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: RedRag on Friday, February 10, 2017, 10:19:26
Only really because they wanted a quick sale and didn't want anyone taking time to do due diligence, if it had been marketed correctly at the time and with Black willing to write of the debts (with debenture) then there may have been a few others interested but that is history now, we live in the here and now  
This.

In my opinion, an STFC with Di Canio (and of course Ritchie) would have secured promotion.  In the event, they didn't and lost a shedload on the fire sale of Ritchie regardless.  My impression is that the damaging suddenness of Black's departure was due to a loss of trust by Black in Wray as well as Black's underlying tepidness as to the whole project.

So much continues to be made as to Di Canio's spending and personality defects.  Compared to LukeWarm however there are qualities of PDC I would love to see in a manager, namely intensity, his dedicated preparation and a ruthlessness about firstly instilling and then implementing a game plan on the pitch - and an ability to make decisions, even wrong or hurtful, in the form of substitutions.

Changes surely need to be made before we are relegated not if or when we are relegated.



Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Audrey's Bellend on Friday, February 10, 2017, 10:29:32
If, by changes, you mean a replacement for Luke, I cannot see it. He's been so poor for so long that if replacing him has ever been in Power's thoughts, he'd have done it by now.

Like others on here, player for player, we should be nowhere near the bottom 4, but with Power, in essence, replacing himself with Sherwood, the overall direction of the club will remain the same no matter who is in Luke's shoes.

Whether relegation will bring a reality check, I seriously doubt it.


Title: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet
Post by: tans on Friday, February 10, 2017, 11:01:34
Talksport doing a discussion about the stfc situation after 10 if anyone is interested


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: gingernuggets on Friday, February 10, 2017, 11:08:33
Sherwood was on earlier this morning and didn't mention Swindon once. Just talked about Spurs.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: tans on Friday, February 10, 2017, 11:12:49
According to Jim White we are 20th in the championship.

Take that all day long!


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Super Hans on Friday, February 10, 2017, 11:12:59
If, by changes, you mean a replacement for Luke, I cannot see it. He's been so poor for so long that if replacing him has ever been in Power's thoughts, he'd have done it by now.

Like others on here, player for player, we should be nowhere near the bottom 4, but with Power, in essence, replacing himself with Sherwood, the overall direction of the club will remain the same no matter who is in Luke's shoes.

Whether relegation will bring a reality check, I seriously doubt it.

 I dont think so, lets look at the squad;

IMO aren't good enough and probably won't have much of a career above L2/Conference level.

Boo
Brophy
Branco
Barry
Rodgers
Thomas
Norris

That's 7 of the squad that personally I don't think are up to it.

Hylton
Young
Iandolo
Goddard
Starkey
Conroy

The above are all talented but potentially not ready for league football.

Then you add in Obika (always injured) and Kasim (not interested) and what are we left with? A few loanees,Thompson and Vigouroux.



Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Johnny Reeves on Friday, February 10, 2017, 11:14:34
The question is would a new manager be able to set up the team and play the way he wanted.?
Recent years of playing suicide football in front of our goal area by players who are learning the game has to be the first tactic ditched.We nee the ball in the oppositions half nearer their goal,you never know with a few shots on target we may score.
These players we have should keep us up but more in the fact most teams are dogshit this year mostly playing the same Barcelona sideways hold on to the ball crap.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Stevens on Friday, February 10, 2017, 11:14:53
Our next five fixtures are frightening:
If we do not get at least 7pts then I believe Williams or Sherwood will be gone.
   
Bury v Swindon Town
Northampton Town v Swindon Town      
Swindon Town v Oldham Athletic   
Coventry City v Swindon Town   
Swindon Town v Gillingham


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, February 10, 2017, 11:19:47
Our next five fixtures are frightening:
If we do not get at least 7pts then I believe Williams or Sherwood will be gone.
   
Bury v Swindon Town
Northampton Town v Swindon Town      
Swindon Town v Oldham Athletic   
Coventry City v Swindon Town   
Swindon Town v Gillingham

2 wins and 3 draws and things would look rosey but I've no confidence, unless NSSJO can prove he's not got cheesetrings for hamstrings and Ince is the pysical presence we're all hoping, and is actually picked of course.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: Bewster on Friday, February 10, 2017, 11:31:01
Can we change the name of this thread to "Luke Wiliams Not Sacked Yet" to stop getting everybody's hopes up every time someone posts ??


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: inept and tiresome on Friday, February 10, 2017, 11:32:40
Recent years of playing suicide football in front of our goal area by players who are learning the game has to be the first tactic ditched.

HERETIC, kill the HERETIC


but I absolutely agree.


Title: Re: Luke Williams
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, February 10, 2017, 12:44:59
Can we change the name of this thread to "Luke Wiliams Not Sacked Yet" to stop getting everybody's hopes up every time someone posts ??

I second this.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, February 10, 2017, 12:51:01
Done. I keep on opening the thread in the same expectation as others. Bear in mind that there may be a delay in changing the thread title should he actually be sacked.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 18:52:39
Has he gone yet?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Ells on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 18:53:32
Yes.


To Aldi. On his way back to the CG.
Good deals on sausages apparently.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: ron dodgers on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 18:54:57
maybe


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 18:58:52
come on, come on. take Sherwood and fuck off back to youth team football proper


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 19:01:57
Has to be time to move on now, surely.  No one in football keeps their job after a consistently dire run like this one.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 19:02:27
The club is rotten from the top down.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Super Hans on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 19:14:23
There's really no reason for him to be here beyond Monday morning.

Somehow I don't think we'll miss anything that this supposed great coach brings to the table.

We need fire and grit now, he's more cotton wool and bum cream.

He's never wanted to be a manager anyway, clearly isn't going to work out here.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: wokinghamred on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 19:19:11
Power - We need a MANAGER and NOW !!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 19:21:11
Yes.


To Aldi. On his way back to the CG.
Good deals on sausages apparently.

Gone ... from bad to worse to wurst? Hopes to see how to string a few results together.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: FrigbyDaser on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 19:45:35
Very surprised if he goes. Nobody will come in with Sherwood here and Power is too egotistical to admit that his management team is appalling. The table doesn't lie.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 20:06:28
Quote
Luke Williams confirms that he is back in charge of picking the team and the formation for Swindon Town games, not Sherwood #stfc


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: tans on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 20:10:50
What an absolute bottler Sherwood is.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Ells on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 20:11:19
(https://m.popkey.co/0e727f/mzJY5.gif)


Title: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 20:11:22
yes, reckon Sherwood is distancing himself with either a job in mind or just plain old reputation saving..

biggest appointment my arse, cunt


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 20:21:04
Tim Sherwood arrived with an all-singing-all-dancing press conference because Power was confident we'd turn our season around and with that he thought he could give his best mate something to prove to others that he has tactical nous in order to get Sherwood  a better job and therefore a new 'special relationship' akin to the Spurs one.

His 'contacts' got us Chelsea players, something most clubs have, and a couple of Brighton kids (which we've dabbled with in the past). He couldn't even give us something new in the transfer market let alone on the pitch.

Now Sherwood is slowing retreating, relinquishing responsibility until he is just a friend who sits in the directors box again. Which is probably all he wanted in the first place.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 20:21:50
brave Sir Tim?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l8IkbCeZ9to


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: DV Canio on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 20:26:25
I don't suppose it matters which one of Sherwood or Williams was picking the team. The only thing that matters is who picks the team going forward...

...and the answer to that should definitely not be Sherwood or Williams.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 20:28:04
Quote from: DV Canio
I don't suppose it matters which one of Sherwood or Williams was picking the team. The only thing that matters is who picks the team going forward...

...and the answer to that should definitely not be Sherwood or Williams.

true that


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 20:29:04
Maybe him backing off helps pave the way for a new manager.

Maybe.

Let's fucking hope so.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 20:39:12
indeed


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 20:48:17
Although we need a new manager I don't think that will save us. He's still going to have a pile of shit to work with. Fitness levels will take time. Then how the fuck do you organise them into a cohesive force. Some still believe the players are ok, they aren't they are shite, stinking useless shite. We would get a fee for vigs and that's it apart from paltry punts on our youngsters.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 20:53:16
said it earlier, being generous I reckon the following are league 1 standard.

vigs, Thompson, obika, ajose and a fully fit and motivated kasim.

maybe ince will be and you can carry a couple but...


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 21:01:01
Some players are shite, sure, but:

We know Vigs is good.
By all accounts the defence has been OK lately, even with Branco in it.
Dabo can do a job on the left, and Thompson on the right.
We know Kasim can play, when he can be bothered. Ince must surely be quite handy.
We know that Gladwin can play.
We know that Obika and Ajose are good forwards at this level.

Yes, we have some shit, but we do also have some good players. We know that because we've seen them do it, regularly. Even BOO was getting some good reviews when Lingy was here.

Good players playing poorly does not mean they have become poor players overnight. If a half-decent manager could get our good players performing to a reasonable standard then we would not be where we are now. I'm also inclined to think that our 'shit' players may not be as shit as they appear to be.

We don't have to be great, or even good. We just need to be better than those around us.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 21:11:18
I like the last sentence fb, it's true that a good manager can get the best out of everyone and that may be enough...

gladwin of have in a mid table team in a shot, just not a relegation  battle with colkett (one or other)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 21:12:50
but they are no fucking good for us regardless of the system we play. Some players need to go for their own good - Nathan, Kasim and Obika being 3. - good players but totally shot for us. All the loan players should be told to fuck off. Rodgers, BOO, Thomas should be told to not bother reporting for training as they are too fucking crap for league football. Tell Hylton, Brophy, Branco etc they are playing for their professional careers. Put the young ones in. Tell them we're down. Play for pride, get experience for next season.  It can't be any worse, can it. I'd rather see some of ours given a go than a totally inadequate infant like Feruz or Colkett. Why do ours go further down the pecking order when they've done fuck all wrong.


Title: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 21:18:21
thing is,  Williams rates them.

you only had to listen to him wanking over a single colkett pass to realise he either hasn't got the ability  to know how to win games.

in fact I may be unfair on that. his brief is probably develop the player first and foremost, which isn't necessarily the same thing as winning as many games as you can. clearly relegation isn't the plan though.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 21:25:46
I've seen Colkett play 3 times and he has been a little boy lost and a passenger. When we got him on loan Williams was knocking one out over how we got one over Rovers with the League 1 Messi. I spoke to my Rovers mates after the game and they said he was a decent squad player, nothing more. They didn't actually give a shit that he had gone.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 21:30:09
thing is,  Williams rates them.

you only had to listen to him wanking over a single colkett pass to realise he either hasn't got the ability  to know how to win games.

in fact I may be unfair on that. his brief is probably develop the player first and foremost, which isn't necessarily the same thing as winning as many games as you can. clearly relegation isn't the plan though.
Think you're spot on with this - been saying it for ages, Williams is an Academy/youth coach, not a senior 1st team manager.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 21:30:33
The mention of Colkett is interesting.

From what I can gather Oldham(?) fans loved him. But now he's shit? I'm not buying it.

I'm not trying to challenge peoples' assessments of his performances with us, rather I'm wondering if our management team are so inept that they appear to make him look poor. I wonder the same about Murray, from what I can gather his first couple of games with us went well. The same with Gladwin since his return... did well for a game or two and now he's shit? I'm not buying it.

If our management team are making Gladwin look useless (and we know he isn't), then how many more players in our squad are actually better than they appear to be?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 21:34:18
Williams can certainly make a defender, midfielder or attacker shit. Goalkeepers seem to do ok but they get plenty of action. I will defend him on Rodgers, I don;t think Williams has made him a worse player than he was previously.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 21:36:23
I will defend him on Rodgers, I don;t think Williams has made him a worse player than he was previously.

 :)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 21:36:31
he's not shit. he shouldn't be in the same team as gladwin. too similar. Goddard, too similar.

he is too lightweight in OUR midfield.

put him in a decent team with ball winners, think he'd be OK. he'll look a he'll of a lot better


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 21:39:56

put him in a decent team with ball winners,

Like Ince?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: @mwooly63 on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 21:40:15
The mention of Colkett is interesting.

From what I can gather Oldham(?) fans loved him. But now he's shit? I'm not buying it.

I'm not trying to challenge peoples' assessments of his performances with us, rather I'm wondering if our management team are so inept that they appear to make him look poor. I wonder the same about Murray, from what I can gather his first couple of games with us went well. The same with Gladwin since his return... did well for a game or two and now he's shit? I'm not buying it.

If our management team are making Gladwin look useless (and we know he isn't), then how many more players in our squad are actually better than they appear to be?

Interesting train of thought.
Did think something similar after pox,  couple of weeks with our coaches and these new players have gone backwards.

Apart from that first season with its player sales ( and let's face it we could all see they were better than the average player from day one ) who else has been bought on.
Bryne benefitted from a move in position so went early in the next season,  being generous Gladwin improved for half a season enough to be sold, has looked poor on both loan spells tho.
Who else's stock has increased by our glorious coaching staff ?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 21:44:07
Quote from: Flashheart
Quote
put him in a decent team with ball winners,
Like Ince?


that's one yes, though I've not seen him play yet.

 but the point is not him and gladwin in the centre at the same time.  not sure who we play there though, kasim probably but... Smith maybe.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 21:53:40
Like Ince?


that's one yes, though I've not seen him play yet.

 but the point is not him and gladwin in the centre at the same time.  not sure who we play there though, kasim probably but... Smith maybe.
The Smith who is like the invisible man while total wastes of skin like Thomas, Murray, Rodgers, unmotivated waste of talent Kasim, cant cope with the physical side of things Goddard and now shite versions of Gladwin and Colkett get game time. Thats 7 in front of him, well 6 now that Murray has gone but possibly 7th again after Nathans woeful experiment as a defensive midfielder. But then again we have Starkey and Iandolo and possibly Stewart. So, what has Smith done wrong.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 22:09:33
nothing. he may not be the Messiah but I don't know why he's not considered as an option.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 22:12:43
I think something was said about Smith not playing because they want to protect the youngsters...

Nope, I don't get it either!


Title: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 22:24:26
it's bs isn't it... disjointed, dysfunctional, broken.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Crozzer on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 22:36:58
I think something was said about Smith not playing because they want to protect the youngsters...

Nope, I don't get it either!


Just tell him to stop eating raw meat off the bone, and select him.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Audrey's Bellend on Saturday, February 11, 2017, 22:57:02
Everything Power has been connected to has gone to shit.

We're just the present victim. The cunt don't give a fuck.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: fuzzy on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 00:05:21
Williams is highly regarded as a coach- by the teams that kick our arse week in, week out.....


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Outletred on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 00:07:31
Truth is he is not getting anything near full potential out of the players we have here



Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 00:16:03
Truth is he is not getting anything near full potential out of the players we have here

this this this this this this this this this this this this this

we should be beating teams like Bury, I posted a lengthy posted on the FB page which basically says, Williams is inept, tactically an idiot and has to go because under his tenure, fitness levels has gone down, passion has gone down and his excuses every week are the same, everyone but his fault....... yes I am beginning to smell the coffee  :pint:


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 00:32:18
Williams is highly regarded as a coach- by the teams that kick our arse week in, week out.....

Great "coach" because he doesn't make them run or exert themselves. Get him out of our club ASAP


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Ells on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 00:36:19
Great "coach" because he doesn't make them run or exert themselves. Get him out of our club ASAP

Yeah, sure that's the reason.

Fuck, I hate the bullshit that suddenly becomes believable when we're doing badly. We've got enough going on without making shit up.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 01:01:26
Yeah, sure that's the reason.

Fuck, I hate the bullshit that suddenly becomes believable when we're doing badly. We've got enough going on without making shit up.

this....

Fans come out with so much bullshit when the times are tough to try and convince others that the club is being run badly...... Oh Power won't sack Luke because he has a 5 year contract, or that Kasim only plays good when the transfer window is open  ::)

Luke is doing what he thinks is right but it's becoming blatantly obvious that his methods aren't any good at this level, players are unfit, players don't show any mental strength, they give up when we go behind and even more...

The problem is the coaching, which is down to Luke and Ross, the players aren't poor quality as some also keep trying to prove as right and realistically, majority of them would play at this level in any other team, the problem is they are trying to play to Luke's / Powers master plan but they aren't comfortable with it, I am fine with us trying it for a couple of games, it doesn't work, change it about and try something else until we find a plan that works for the team, screw how it looks to Chelsea and QPR, we have to win games. Some fans keep saying Power tells Luke how to train them but I can't see how he would micro-manage the team that much, and wouldn't tell him to make the players become unfit and lose any motivation........

It all comes down to happiness, if you are happy in your job and enjoy it, you try harder and give an extra 10%, the problem is none of our players really give 80%, so no chance of that extra 10% to make them look special. I was unhappy in my last job, the day I quit, my mood improved massively.....

Power gave an unknown coach a long contract and a tough job, he has to be responsible for that, but Luke ultimately is tactically inept, unaware of the mentality of his players and only blames the weather, the noise, the ref and the pitch but never has once admitted his coaching methods are poor.

Oxford, we should have won that, after 60 mins still 1-0 and under immense pressure, bring off an attacking midfielder and replace with a defensive (Thomas) and stick Hylton up front with Ajose, Oxford were pressing high, we would have caught them on the counter attack plenty of times and hopefully scored 1, an easy win, nope, he sits there and waits till we let 2 goals in before doing the change....... tactically inept.

Not seen match reports but supposedly the same today, did 1 change and didn't use them wisely to put Bury under any pressure.....

I am normally reserved but Power needs to stand up, admit he got Williams appointment wrong and replace him quickly, someone of Ling's calibre would have this exact team sat mid table and with no danger of relegation, don't get me wrong, our team can be improved massively but we are far far far away from being a relegation team.

Williams has the tools to do the job but isn't using them in the correct way, now it's time for Power to replace the workman


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 01:12:44
If you made all our players available for transfer, vigs would go up a div, possibly kasim and nathan. Beeks would stay in div 3. The others would struggle to stay in the league. Our players are fucking shit, coached by shit coaches.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 01:17:24
If you made all our players available for transfer, vigs would go up a div, possibly kasim and nathan. Need would stay in div 3. The others would struggle to stay in the league. Our players are fucking shit, coached by shit coaches.

The only part you said that I agree with is in bold, give the players a manager with experience and the passion and fitness would improve dramatically...... Luke has no idea what he is doing and the players know it.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 01:22:55
Do you think Thomas or Rodgers are league1 players. Boo, brophy, Norris??? All shit.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: DV Canio on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 01:23:35
Players are capable of more; not much more but they're better than their current form.
It's a low end league one squad, no doubt.

Hell, with the right additions (experienced players and leaders) some the youngsters could form a mid table league one squad.

However, if money was no object I'd keep Vigs and bin off everyone else and start from scratch.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 01:25:49
Players are capable of more; not much more but they're better than their current form.
It's a low end league one squad, no doubt.

Hell, with the right additions (experienced players and leaders) some the youngsters could form a mid table league one squad.

However, if money was no object I'd keep Vigs and bin off everyone else and start from scratch.
Agreed. There are a few that could be better with the right guidance.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 01:30:05
Do you think Thomas or Rodgers are league1 players. Boo, brophy, Norris??? All shit.

Rodgers - No
Boo - No
Thomas - Yes
Norris - Yes
Brophy - possible, needs to improve a few areas but not a bad player, maybe L2 standard


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Ells on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 01:33:39
I thought Norris linked up excellently with Dabo during the Oxford game, showed what he actually can do. Not Messi obviously but he's not as useless as people suggest. The whole team is deflated at the moment and will be unless we get a winning run together. But that's another story..


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 01:36:57
I thought Norris linked up excellently with Dabo during the Oxford game, showed what he actually can do. Not Messi obviously but he's not as useless as people suggest. The whole team is deflated at the moment and will be unless we get a winning run together. But that's another story..

Exactly, Norris will never be a 25 a season goal scorer but can hold the ball up and put it on a plate for others to finish it

A new manager would do that but will Power have the balls to own up and admit he got it wrong?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: 1989Monkey on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 03:33:26
Time to voice our opinion on Williams I think. There is no point with the 'we want power out' or 'power this is shit' as this means nothing and he isn't going to walk. Time to start aiming it at Williams. Im not saying from the start of games but if it gets to 80mins and were losing (every game then!) the 'we want williams out' chants need to begin and continue until the end of the game. That is the only way Power might listen.

Its time for a change and we need to make it happen!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 04:03:24
Time to voice our opinion on Williams I think. There is no point with the 'we want power out' or 'power this is shit' as this means nothing and he isn't going to walk. Time to start aiming it at Williams. Im not saying from the start of games but if it gets to 80mins and were losing (every game then!) the 'we want williams out' chants need to begin and continue until the end of the game. That is the only way Power might listen.

Its time for a change and we need to make it happen!

It's a tricky one....Luke seems a decent bloke, so probably doesn't warrant personal abuse, however if I was in his shoes, I'd resign in order to keep dignity. Had he done so in October, then he could have gone back to coach. Now though that boat has been burned...


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: 1989Monkey on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 04:16:42
It's a tricky one....Luke seems a decent bloke, so probably doesn't warrant personal abuse, however if I was in his shoes, I'd resign in order to keep dignity. Had he done so in October, then he could have gone back to coach. Now though that boat has been burned...

When I wrote this I initially put that I would hope it would force him to resign but then I thought again and thought he must no he is out of his depth as a manager by now but with 4 years on his contract is not going anywhere. Therefore in my opinion this is the only choice we have as fans. Don't get me wrong this should not happen at the beginning of games as we really must get behind the team at the moment but towards the end of the games if its as bad as it currently is then we don't have a choice.

3 wins from the last 21 games is ridiculous! How we are not significantly cut adrift at the bottom shows how bad this league is but if we don't do something now then we won't be back in league 1 for at least 5yrs in my opinion. This model has no chance of working in league 2 and Power should know this!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 10:10:01
This model has no chance of working in league 2 and Power should know this!

Trouble is Power was asked this question in one of the early phone in's and said that he thought it could work in LG2.
As it stands, we will find out soon.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 10:17:29
I think Sooty is at least on his way out of front line duties, then the pressure will switch to Williams.

last season season ticket prices were released on 20th Feb. going to be interesting this year..will a massive drop in sales make a difference to power? I'm not sure it will..


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 10:29:14
OK do I think we have gone circular on this now, so here is a new one.

quite a while ago it was rumored Sherwood had invested into the club. be it through loans to power or directly it wasn't clear.

let's say that is true, what if its Sherwood calling the shots ....

are we then even more stuffed? he did 'recommend' Williams to the club .

yeah OK, I think power is in charge and his best mate sooty is just advising him in the mistaken belief he knows what he's doing in league 1 football


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 10:37:37
I'm told Sherwoods involvement ceased a fortnight ago but we should not expect a formal announcement from the club as he is not a contracted employee (and no doubt wants to distance himself from the debacle of this season and the January transfer window).

I expect Power will confirm this on TalkSport and do all he can to downplay Tactics' involvement ("was only helping us out, went into Chelsea and took 3 players, role was never to pick the team" etc).


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 12:28:18
I'm told Sherwoods involvement ceased a fortnight ago but we should not expect a formal announcement from the club as he is not a contracted employee
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Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 12:32:48
Trouble is Power was asked this question in one of the early phone in's and said that he thought it could work in LG2.
As it stands, we will find out soon.

In Power's world it can work. Oxford being a classic example, however they were flirting with a return to the Conference, when Appleton loaned in Roofe, who managed to pull them away. Their fans wanted Appleton out, but they stuck with him and are now reaping the benefits....I did suggest when Cooper looked to be going to Wendies in pre-season, that we could do worse than Appleton as the fans wanted him gone. It struck me that his experiences of working at basket case clubs could have been mighty useful to us.

Next season will be massive for us.... losing league status, is not a thought any Town fans have ever seriously contemplated, but as things stand it becomes a very real prospect.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 13:02:29
Is Kenneth still in charge? Even if we did sack him now it's too late I reckon we are down. Oldham and Shrews made their changes at the perfect times and are reaping the rewards. Chesterfield did also but are still struggling. I'm baffled with the quality in our squad that we can't put out a half decent competitive side instead of a rabble that can barely defend and are as dangerous as a Swiss Army in a war.

We fucking stink the country ground out currently. Doubt I'll be going to anymore games after Coventry.
 


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Johnny Reeves on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 14:10:02
Most fans could probably pick a better line up with what we got,these muppets change players but not tactics without the change we're down.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 18:37:05
Most fans could probably pick a better line up with what we got,these muppets change players but not tactics without the change we're down.

It's not tactics that's the problem, we had the same tactics in the playoff season (although we got worse as the season got on) but we still scored a lot of goals and created them. Just posted this on FB:

Quote
"Williams isn't the problem, Power is"

This keeps getting banded about and Power isn't blameless for our current position but the majority of the blame has to be with the coaching.

Power may tells Luke to play a certain way but he doesn't tell him not to do subs till the 70th minute or not do any, he doesn't take the training and makes the players pass the ball around rather than work on their fitness (for god sake, we have unfit professionals in February), he doesn't tell Williams to not work the players on their physicality......

Power can dictate how he wants the team to play all day long and Luke can work to them requirements BUT the problems we have go far beyond the style of the play, including:

- no fitness levels
- no physicality
- no mental strength
- no desire to run back and make a challenge
- no confidence to want to shoot at goal

Power is to blame for giving Luke the contract, he took a gamble on a coach who was highly regarded and did good things with the team under Cooper and Ling but under his own tenure, the team has steadily got worse... you can say he might not have had the best team possible but every single one of the players should be able to:

- run around for 90 minutes
- be able to win the ball
- be strong enough to play the game even when we go behind
- willing to put their body on the line to make a challenge
- be willing to take a chance at a goal rather than passing it to someone else

Power got it wrong with the coach, I was 100% behind Luke's appointment due to his stature and his credentials of bringing the best out of players but unfortunately that hasn't happened. Luke may well be a good coach but he is tactically inept as shown in the last 2 games, refusing to make changes or making the wrong type of change for the game......... We should have beaten poxford but due to his lack of awareness and not replacing the players sooner, we got over ran and got beat. Yesterday, he supposedly got it wrong yet again and potentially cost us the game.

If the team were fit, were shooting and were actually trying, I would blame Power for the style we play BUT Luke can't even get those parts right......

Power needs to stand up, admit he got it wrong, put his money where his mouth is and get someone else in as the current coaching model isn't working. I am rarely crtical of people but it's blindingly obvious the coaching methods are abysmal at best and he keeps blaming everyone but himself, you would think after 18 months he would see the light and realise he isn't as good as he thinks he is.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 18:59:59
All fair points, but it was Power that appointed Williams and Power that apparently won't replace him. And Power that brought in the smokesceen Sherwood to cover both their asses. Buck stops there


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 19:00:56
All fair points, but it was Power that appointed Williams and Power that apparently won't replace him. And Power that brought in the smokesceen Sherwood to cover both their asses. Buck stops there
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Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 19:02:00
All fair points, but it was Power that appointed Williams and Power that apparently won't replace him. And Power that brought in the smokesceen Sherwood to cover both their asses. Buck stops there

won't or is he giving him a little more time as Power owned up that maybe Luke didn't have the best tools, now he has bought in some replacements, he has maybe 1/2 games before Power realises something is up more than just the players


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 19:10:56
won't or is he giving him a little more time as Power owned up that maybe Luke didn't have the best tools, now he has bought in some replacements, he has maybe 1/2 games before Power realises something is up more than just the players
then that's an even more damning indictment of Power's disinterest in the club


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 19:11:29
won't or is he giving him a little more time as Power owned up that maybe Luke didn't have the best tools, now he has bought in some replacements, he has maybe 1/2 games before Power realises something is up more than just the players
Hmm, hope you're right. Personally I think Power's realised that some time ago, but for some reason won't change it


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 19:16:11
Hmm, hope you're right. Personally I think Power's realised that some time ago, but for some reason won't change it

He knows full well that going down will be bad financially so surely he has realised, time will tell.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 19:18:35
then that's an even more damning indictment of Power's disinterest in the club

How so? you hire a gardener and only give him scissors to do the job, is he a bad gardener?

You then give him a Flymo and then give him 2 weeks to see if that has an improvement in the quality of his work

Common sense.... Power admitted he got the recruitment wrong so made changes, now given / giving Luke a chance to make improvements, hopefully the 2 games have been enough to see it's been as poor as before.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 19:19:41
All fair points, but it was Power that appointed Williams and Power that apparently won't replace him. And Power that brought in the smokesceen Sherwood to cover both their asses. Buck stops there

Sherwood was the one that recommended him in the first place. Presumably as a coach but even so.

I'm sure Power realises he is a dud...


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 19:24:50
How so? you hire a gardener and only give him scissors to do the job, is he a bad gardener?
If he tries to use the scissors to cut the hedge and in the process kicks the fuck out of your roses, yes. The most inadequate tools in this discussion are Williams and Embleton


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 19:29:46
If he tries to use the scissors to cut the hedge and in the process kicks the fuck out of your roses, yes. The most inadequate tools in this discussion are Williams and Embleton

exactly, they are the wrong fit for the first team in this league, they aren't bad coaches but just not first team coaches (more suited to youth level where they can spend time on working on player improvement properly)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 19:30:29
If you buy him some nail clippers, then get some scissors on loan, then loan a flymo, a qualcast and a black and decker but only have two plug sockets you are a dick.

If you leave the blade out the flymo for fear of upsetting the balance of the nail clippers, and then claim the flymo couldn't handle the reality of cutting the grass, you are Luke Williams.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 19:33:15
If he tries to use the scissors to cut the hedge and in the process kicks the fuck out of your roses, yes. The most inadequate tools in this discussion are Williams and Embleton

The only operators around the CG, who are fully competent are the groundsmen....Power should give them a pair of shears and put them in charge of the first team.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 19:35:54
If you buy him some nail clippers, then get some scissors on loan, then loan a flymo, a qualcast and a black and decker but only have two plug sockets you are a dick.

If you leave the blade out the flymo for fear of upsetting the balance of the nail clippers, and then claim the flymo couldn't handle the reality of cutting the grass, you are Luke Williams.
That is the whole discussion summed up perfectly. Close the thread


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Crozzer on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 19:46:19
Twitter:
 
@LouMacari10
"Is Tim the manager, caretaker manager, director of football or what?"


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 19:47:21
Fucking hell, now it's time to bring back Macari.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Crozzer on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 19:49:21
Fucking hell, now it's time to bring back Macari.

I'd bring back Lazarus if he could ensure more than two shots on target against the division's poorest defence.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 19:51:19
I'd bring back Lazarus if he could ensure more than two shots on target against the division's poorest defence.
Do you honestly think Macari would do any better? What is it that he's done in football in the last 15 years that makes you think he'd improve us whatsoever?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: tans on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 19:56:48
Do you honestly think Macari would do any better? What is it that he's done in football in the last 15 years that makes you think he'd improve us whatsoever?

He did a good documentary on MUTV a couple of years back


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 19:58:25
exactly, they are the wrong fit for the first team in this league, they aren't bad coaches but just not first team coaches (more suited to youth level where they can spend time on working on player improvement properly)
what relation are you to Power ??


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Crozzer on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 19:58:52
Do you honestly think Macari would do any better? What is it that he's done in football in the last 15 years that makes you think he'd improve us whatsoever?

I wasn't suggesting Macari, Danny Williams or anyone else, Sherwood remains the de facto DoF.  I was merely pointing out the WTF comment from a famous former manager on social media.  Reg was right on the money, a tactical withdrawal during the window was needed.  The team is being "managed" by a first team coach, while the DoF has stepped back, with apparently a birthday celebration having higher priority than a local derby.  


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: @mwooly63 on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:03:25
At least under Macari they would be fit if fuck all else.
Doubt this bunch of powder puffs could handle a stay at an army boot camp


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:03:28
what relation are you to Power ??

Well according to the Facebook group I am either his lover or him, I am not sure  ::)

So you think Power is to blame for the players coming to the club, playing like gutless shits, not being able to run around for 90 minutes without puffing and not being "mentally strong" to put up with a big noise at derbies....... let me know what drugs you are on as I want some  ;)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:05:44
If you buy him some nail clippers, then get some scissors on loan, then loan a flymo, a qualcast and a black and decker but only have two plug sockets you are a dick.

If you leave the blade out the flymo for fear of upsetting the balance of the nail clippers, and then claim the flymo couldn't handle the reality of cutting the grass, you are Luke Williams.
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :clap:


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:06:52
At least under Macari they would be fit if fuck all else.
Doubt this bunch of powder puffs could handle a stay at an army boot camp
How many of the 92 PL and FL managers can you think of that still send players to an army boot camp for training? I'd wager none if the answer.

Not disputing the fact that this team is clearly severely lacking in fitness.

What the fuck are "powder puffs" anyway?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:08:04
Well according to the Facebook group I am either his lover or him, I am not sure  ::)

So you think Power is to blame for the players coming to the club, playing like gutless shits, not being able to run around for 90 minutes without puffing and not being "mentally strong" to put up with a big noise at derbies....... let me know what drugs you are on as I want some  ;)
Power brought in Sherwood, Power made Williams manager - who else do you blame - (Other than Sherwood & Williams).


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:08:10
So you think Power is to blame for the players coming to the club, playing like gutless shits, not being able to run around for 90 minutes without puffing and not being "mentally strong" to put up with a big noise at derbies....... let me know what drugs you are on as I want some  ;)
Who else is to blame?

Williams is out of his depth but who put him there in the first place? Sherwood was a pointless non-appointment but whose decision was it to call a big press conference to announce it?

Power is ultimately responsible for choosing the management team and sanctioning signings, it's not exactly out of his hands is it?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:11:29
So you think Power is to blame for the players coming to the club, playing like gutless shits, not being able to run around for 90 minutes without puffing and not being "mentally strong" to put up with a big noise at derbies.
Yes. Williams has made it clear he played no part in recruitment. Power has said in previous phone-ins he brought in players for the managers to work with, recently he's used his mate Sherwood as a front for this. So, yes, Power is responsible for the "gutless shits" he brought in to the club.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: @mwooly63 on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:13:20
How many of the 92 PL and FL managers can you think of that still send players to an army boot camp for training? I'd wager none if the answer.

Not disputing the fact that this team is clearly severely lacking in fitness.

What the fuck are "powder puffs" anyway?

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Powder puffs are pieces of soft material used for the application of face powder. They may be shaped as balls or pads
Wiki

Well I don't know the training methods of the 92 so have no idea, army camp or not at least the great majority  of the 92 know how to get a squad fit.
We unfortunately don't


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:13:41
Who else is to blame?

Williams is out of his depth but who put him there in the first place? Sherwood was a pointless non-appointment but whose decision was it to call a big press conference to announce it?

Power is ultimately responsible for choosing the management team and sanctioning signings, it's not exactly out of his hands is it?

He isn't blameless and he said that on the radio BUT when you have an unfit team in February, surely that's a big red arrow that the coaching methods are abysmal? You can blame Power all you want for giving him the job BUT Williams has to take some of the blame as his coaching methods have made players like Kasim turn to poo, fans were raving about him 2 years ago now they want rid of him....... either he had 2 good seasons here and we were duped or the coaches aren't giving him and the rest of the players they training and coaching they need.

Against oxford, 1-0 up and 20 minutes of pressure from them, do you:

1) sit there and hope we don't concede
2) bring in replacements to take some of the heat off and potentially try and get yourself a goal.

As I said, Williams coaching methods are abysmal and this tactical nouse is perfetic...... we should have beaten Poxford but due to poor man management, we were over ran and out played, along with the fact the players were unfit.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:15:47
He isn't blameless and he said that on the radio BUT when you have an unfit team in February, surely that's a big red arrow that the coaching methods are abysmal? You can blame Power all you want for giving him the job BUT Williams has to take some of the blame as his coaching methods have made players like Kasim turn to poo, fans were raving about him 2 years ago now they want rid of him....... either he had 2 good seasons here and we were duped or the coaches aren't giving him and the rest of the players they training and coaching they need.

Against oxford, 1-0 up and 20 minutes of pressure from them, do you:

1) sit there and hope we don't concede
2) bring in replacements to take some of the heat off and potentially try and get yourself a goal.

As I said, Williams coaching methods are abysmal and this tactical nouse is perfetic...... we should have beaten Poxford but due to poor man management, we were over ran and out played, along with the fact the players were unfit.
Then you must blame Power for keeping him in the job.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Audrey's Bellend on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:16:15
Well according to the Facebook group I am either his lover or him, I am not sure  ::)

So you think Power is to blame for the players coming to the club
, playing like gutless shits, not being able to run around for 90 minutes without puffing and not being "mentally strong" to put up with a big noise at derbies....... let me know what drugs you are on as I want some  ;)
Well, as he recruited them, then yes.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:16:31
He isn't blameless and he said that on the radio BUT when you have an unfit team in February, surely that's a big red arrow that the coaching methods are abysmal? You can blame Power all you want for giving him the job BUT Williams has to take some of the blame as his coaching methods have made players like Kasim turn to poo, fans were raving about him 2 years ago now they want rid of him....... either he had 2 good seasons here and we were duped or the coaches aren't giving him and the rest of the players they training and coaching they need.
Williams has been coach throughout that period. Did he make him brilliant when he first came in as well then?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:16:32
He isn't blameless and he said that on the radio BUT when you have an unfit team in February, surely that's a big red arrow that the coaching methods are abysmal? You can blame Power all you want for giving him the job BUT Williams has to take some of the blame as his coaching methods have made players like Kasim turn to poo, fans were raving about him 2 years ago now they want rid of him....... either he had 2 good seasons here and we were duped or the coaches aren't giving him and the rest of the players they training and coaching they need.

Against oxford, 1-0 up and 20 minutes of pressure from them, do you:

1) sit there and hope we don't concede
2) bring in replacements to take some of the heat off and potentially try and get yourself a goal.

As I said, Williams coaching methods are abysmal and this tactical nouse is perfetic...... we should have beaten Poxford but due to poor man management, we were over ran and out played, along with the fact the players were unfit.
I don't know how I can put this any more simply for you because you clearly struggle to grasp who is running the club and it's not Williams.

Williams, Embleton, Sherwood, Curly Withers, whoever-the-fuck might be the shittest thing since sliced shit but Power has the - wait for it, punchline is coming - POWER to do something about it and has chosen not to and we're in a terminal decline. Everyone involved has some responsibility to share the blame but Power more than anyone else.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:20:51
Yes. Williams has made it clear he played no part in recruitment. Power has said in previous phone-ins he brought in players for the managers to work with, recently he's used his mate Sherwood as a front for this. So, yes, Power is responsible for the "gutless shits" he brought in to the club.

Gladwin was supposedly player of the season when we got to the playoffs, so he is suddenly a gutless shit?

So basically what you lot think is this team are absolutely shit, they are all useless and it's Powers fault they are unfit and can't tackle to save their lives?

Considering the majority of them have played league football for a few season, have 100+ games, some played in the play off season with us. We have hangers on like Boo, Rodgers and Brophy BUT we have also got players like Kasim, Thompson and Obika who are match winners who look way way way worse than they did 2 seasons ago............ what has changed?  they suddenly can't be bothered and let their match fitness drop cos they don't care? Or is it the coaching methods used by the club are not good enough.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Audrey's Bellend on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:21:59
THEN CHANGE THE FUCKING COACH


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:23:15
G.G. is a one man wrecking crew.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:24:00
Gladwin was supposedly player of the season when we got to the playoffs, so he is suddenly a gutless shit?

So basically what you lot think is this team are absolutely shit, they are all useless and it's Powers fault they are unfit and can't tackle to save their lives?

Considering the majority of them have played league football for a few season, have 100+ games, some played in the play off season with us. We have hangers on like Boo, Rodgers and Brophy BUT we have also got players like Kasim, Thompson and Obika who are match winners who look way way way worse than they did 2 seasons ago............ what has changed?  they suddenly can't be bothered and let their match fitness drop cos they don't care? Or is it the coaching methods used by the club are not good enough.
Who employs Williams and the coaching staff?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:25:06
Gladwin was supposedly player of the season when we got to the playoffs, so he is suddenly a gutless shit?
You used the term gutless shit, not me.
So basically what you lot think is this team are absolutely shit, they are all useless and it's Powers fault they are unfit and can't tackle to save their lives?
No, I think the team as a unit and management staff are not fit for purpose and that the responsibility for this rests with Power who appointed said unfit for purpose management staff, persists in keeping them in post despite them blatantly not being up to the job and has, by his own admission, made a complete arse of recruitment.

Like sonic said, Power runs the club, the buck stops with him. Which part of that are you struggling with?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:25:49
G.G. is a one man wrecking crew.

That what I said but supposedly Williams is only making players better......... when they are unfit and get pushed off the ball too easily.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:26:05
Gladwin was supposedly player of the season when we got to the playoffs, so he is suddenly a gutless shit?

So basically what you lot think is this team are absolutely shit, they are all useless and it's Powers fault they are unfit and can't tackle to save their lives?

Considering the majority of them have played league football for a few season, have 100+ games, some played in the play off season with us. We have hangers on like Boo, Rodgers and Brophy BUT we have also got players like Kasim, Thompson and Obika who are match winners who look way way way worse than they did 2 seasons ago............ what has changed?  they suddenly can't be bothered and let their match fitness drop cos they don't care? Or is it the coaching methods used by the club are not good enough.
To the first two questions - YES.  As far as the rest of it goes Kassim, Thompson & Obika are a lazy bunch of useless twats.  Just not good enough, Rodgers & Boo would struggle to get a bid from a non league side at present.
Maybe you are Lee Power.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:27:35
That what I said but supposedly Williams is only making players better......... when they are unfit and get pushed off the ball too easily.
  Oh FFS - making players better  ha, ha, ha - now I think its you that are on drugs.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:28:31
Who employs Williams and the coaching staff?

As I said, he has to own up and admit he got that wrong, he gave the coaches the chance and they haven't performed their duties........ Swansea replaced their manager and now turned them around (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/swansea-city/results)?, he could have came in and blamed his team, nope he obviously came in, modified the coaching methods, switched playing style and they are reaping the rewards


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:29:08
That what I said but supposedly Williams is only making players better.
No-one has said that. A few minutes ago, you were defending Williams because Power hadn't given him the tools to do the job, now it's not Power's fault that Williams is useless. Make your mind up. Oh and when Costanza said
G.G. is a one man wrecking crew.
he clearly wasn't referring to Ben Gladwin.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:30:02
As I said, he has to own up and admit he got that wrong, he gave the coaches the chance and they haven't performed their duties........ Swansea replaced their manager and now turned them around (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/swansea-city/results)?, he could have came in and blamed his team, nope he obviously came in, modified the coaching methods, switched playing style and they are reaping the rewards
So you now agree Williams has to go ?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:31:06
To the first two questions - YES.  As far as the rest of it goes Kassim, Thompson & Obika are a lazy bunch of useless twats.  Just not good enough, Rodgers & Boo would struggle to get a bid from a non league side at present.
Maybe you are Lee Power.

Why are they lazy? they were probably our best players in the play off season, but suddenly are lazy and useless? Smell the coffee, if players aren't being coached correctly, you change the coaches to try and improve it, Swansea did it and they have now won 5 in 7, before that they won 1 in 20 or something


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:31:32
So you now agree Williams has to go ?

that what I said, Williams needs to be replaced, how did you not get that?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:32:48
As I said, he has to own up and admit he got that wrong, he gave the coaches the chance and they haven't performed their duties........ Swansea replaced their manager and now turned them around (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/swansea-city/results)?, he could have came in and blamed his team, nope he obviously came in, modified the coaching methods, switched playing style and they are reaping the rewards
How the fucking hell are you not getting this


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:35:47
How the fucking hell are you not getting this


How are you not?

- Power appointed Williams
- Williams isn't getting the best out of the players at his disposal
- Williams needs to go

You can keep repeating that the team lacks quality but I am talking about fitness and "passion" to want to actually play for the club, to win the ball back and to want to score....... The players aren't giving their all out on the pitch and that falls down to the coaching........  ::)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:36:08
that what I said, Williams needs to be replaced, how did you not get that?
Cant see you saying that anywhere, you were defending him in the posts I have been reading.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:38:28
How are you not?

- Power appointed Williams
- Williams isn't getting the best out of the players at his disposal
- Williams needs to go

You can keep repeating that the team lacks quality but I am talking about fitness and "passion" to want to actually play for the club, to win the ball back and to want to score....... The players aren't giving their all out on the pitch and that falls down to the coaching........  ::)

Indeed it does. Who is responsible for employing the manager and coaching staff? Who has made a gross mistake in appointing them in the first place let alone persevering with them for so long?



Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:41:53
Indeed it does. Who is responsible for employing the manager and coaching staff? Who has made a gross mistake in appointing them in the first place let alone persevering with them for so long?



I said that in my long post I posted from FB, Power fucked up by giving Luke the job and the 5 year contract, he put too much confidence in Luke that he could continue from the playoff season and see the same results, Luke was given time to try and change it and it's not worked and needs to be replaced very soon, I haven't once defended Power as ultimately the blame ends with him but my whole point is the team lack motivation, commitment and fitness, which is a direct result of poor coaching methods.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:44:32
Cant see you saying that anywhere, you were defending him in the posts I have been reading.

I defended Luke in that he may not have had the best tools for the job but it's another thing when your players are unfit, uninterested and lack commitment....

Luke can't do anything about the quality at his disposal, that's not my issue, the issue is what he has aren't showing anything close to what a professional player is supposed too

And he also lacks experience at this level in the game, his sub choices and timing is awful.

Luke maybe the fall guy for poor quality in the team but that doesn't make up for the other elements


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: tans on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:46:58
power has made many errors.

A three year contract for Conor Thomas for one. 3 fucking years ffs

Piss poor recruitment


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:49:21
I defended Luke in that he may not have had the best tools for the job but it's another thing when your players are unfit, uninterested and lack commitment....

Luke can't do anything about the quality at his disposal, that's not my issue, the issue is what he has aren't showing anything close to what a professional player is supposed too

And he also lacks experience at this level in the game, his sub choices and timing is awful.

Luke maybe the fall guy for poor quality in the team but that doesn't make up for the other elements
Very true but we all agree changes need to be made NOW. The club say that they monitor social media websites,  let's hope they are reading this one.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:49:30
piss poor recruitment.

piss poor management.

cant see how that's in any way controversial.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:50:12
power has made many errors.

A three year contract for Conor Thomas for one. 3 fucking years ffs

Piss poor recruitment

has to have something about him surely, he was being signed by Liverpool until he got a massive injury and then played quite a few games for Cov in this league, just never been able to get upto speed in a poor team, maybe give him another season to see if he can get some form going, but players like Boo and Rodgers can go, they had their chance and not took it.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:53:13
are you for real. if you turn out to be KR I'll be devastated..

he used to play for Liverpool and Coventry, so he must have something about him... yeah, he was so good they both released him.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: tans on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:54:37
are you for real. if you turn out to be KR I'll be devastated..

he used to play for Liverpool and Coventry, so he must have something about him... yeah, he was so good they both released him.

BOO was touted as the next Ashley Cole!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:57:31
are you for real. if you turn out to be KR I'll be devastated..

he used to play for Liverpool and Coventry, so he must have something about him... yeah, he was so good they both released him.

Liverpool didn't sign him as he got injured just before....... Coventry released him, but the manager came out and said he would have loved to keep him e.g. http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/conor-thomas-offered-chance-train-11341045

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Mowbray’s decision to let Thomas go would also have been influenced by the player’s wages which harked back to the Championship days.

I am not saying he is a world beater but hasn't had the real good chance to show what he can do as been played out of position a lot and not getting a regular run of games.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:58:37
BOO was touted as the next Ashley Cole!

Obviously blind when they saw him, Power took a gamble on him and just not happened, same as Bryne, Luongo and many others over the years, some come good, some don't, Boo and Rodgers are the latter


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: tans on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 20:59:55
Ipswich fans loved Luongo and were gutted he didnt sign


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 21:01:56
We've got another match on Tuesday   :(


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: herthab on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 21:57:17
I'm not demanding Power goes, as at the moment there's no viable alternative in sight. But he is ultimately responsible. For someone who is reasonably successfully (I'm guessing he must be?) he has really fucked up over the last 2 seasons and is either too stubborn or too uninterested to rectify it. Williams should never have been given a 5 year contract. Who gives a 5 year fucking contract to a novice? He should also have been binned ages ago. All this talk of 'not having the right tools' is bollocks. Yes the squad was weaker before January, but that doesn't explain why they were so fucking passionless, gutless and mentally weak. Not to mention physically inept. Power may dictate the style of play, but Williams puts that into practice, or rather he doesn't. I'm sure he's a lovely bloke, just like Embleton supposedly is, but he's a fucking liability as a manager and everyone can see it. Unfortunately only Power can change things and it's not looking likely. Oh and just a footnote on Sherwood. He does fuck all, has done fuck all and will continue to do fuck all.
Grow a pair Power and do the right thing.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: herthab on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 21:58:36
We've got another match on Tuesday   :(

Well I'm sure that's cheered us all up...


Title: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 22:12:14
Quote
We've got another match on Tuesday   :(
ince may not be available, he has a day in court tomorrow over the bouncer bottling.

anyone know how long it's expected to last? day job?  he's pleaded not guilty and according to one article his brief suggests he admits he was there but not the perpetrator..


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 22:15:59
ince may not be available, he has a day in court tomorrow over the bouncer bottling.

anyone know how long it's expected to last? day job?  he's pleaded not guilty and according to one article his brief suggests he admits he was there but not the perpetrator..
So Mr Ince, you say someone else carried out the attack, that such an act is not in your character. And yet, I am given to understand, you have recently joined an entire team full of bottlers. The crown rests, M'Lud


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: leftside on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 22:22:05
Power:made some good decisions, made some bad decisions. Isn't going anywhere soon.
Williams: ditto but so many bad ones that he shouldn't be 'manager', ie the guy in the dugout. Should go asap.
Sherwood:?, therefore should go asap.
Players:made some good decisions, made a lot of bad decisions. Not going anywhere yet.
Fans: the usual mixed bag, including sensible foresight, healthy doses of delusion and hindsight. Some gone, some going, some staying.

Conclusion: two consecutive shit seasons. Good probability another shit season to come.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Crozzer on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 22:46:39
So Mr Ince, you say someone else carried out the attack, that such an act is not in your character. And yet, I am given to understand, you have recently joined an entire team full of bottlers. The crown rests, M'Lud

Sentencing guidelines http://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Assault_definitive_guideline_-_Crown_Court.pdf

Wounding with intent to cause GBH, on a bouncer coming to the aid of a police officer.

If convicted, could be playing only home games for a while.  Kasim will be off the bench, in any event, on Tuesday night.  


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: aroundthefur on Sunday, February 12, 2017, 23:54:57
has to have something about him surely, he was being signed by Liverpool until he got a massive injury and then played quite a few games for Cov in this league

And Pericard played for Juventus. Dossevi was linked to West Ham the transfer window before he signed for us. They were both useless as well.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Tails on Monday, February 13, 2017, 11:15:21
I'm not demanding Power goes, as at the moment there's no viable alternative in sight. But he is ultimately responsible. For someone who is reasonably successfully (I'm guessing he must be?) he has really fucked up over the last 2 seasons and is either too stubborn or too uninterested to rectify it. Williams should never have been given a 5 year contract. Who gives a 5 year fucking contract to a novice? He should also have been binned ages ago. All this talk of 'not having the right tools' is bollocks. Yes the squad was weaker before January, but that doesn't explain why they were so fucking passionless, gutless and mentally weak. Not to mention physically inept. Power may dictate the style of play, but Williams puts that into practice, or rather he doesn't. I'm sure he's a lovely bloke, just like Embleton supposedly is, but he's a fucking liability as a manager and everyone can see it. Unfortunately only Power can change things and it's not looking likely. Oh and just a footnote on Sherwood. He does fuck all, has done fuck all and will continue to do fuck all.
Grow a pair Power and do the right thing.

I think this is probably the best summary I've seen. The lack of fitness and mental discipline does my nut in.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, February 13, 2017, 11:24:21
I'm not demanding Power goes, as at the moment there's no viable alternative in sight. But he is ultimately responsible. For someone who is reasonably successfully (I'm guessing he must be?) he has really fucked up over the last 2 seasons and is either too stubborn or too uninterested to rectify it. Williams should never have been given a 5 year contract. Who gives a 5 year fucking contract to a novice? He should also have been binned ages ago. All this talk of 'not having the right tools' is bollocks. Yes the squad was weaker before January, but that doesn't explain why they were so fucking passionless, gutless and mentally weak. Not to mention physically inept. Power may dictate the style of play, but Williams puts that into practice, or rather he doesn't. I'm sure he's a lovely bloke, just like Embleton supposedly is, but he's a fucking liability as a manager and everyone can see it. Unfortunately only Power can change things and it's not looking likely. Oh and just a footnote on Sherwood. He does fuck all, has done fuck all and will continue to do fuck all.
Grow a pair Power and do the right thing.
100% this.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, February 13, 2017, 11:32:25
I'm not demanding Power goes, as at the moment there's no viable alternative in sight. But he is ultimately responsible. For someone who is reasonably successfully (I'm guessing he must be?) he has really fucked up over the last 2 seasons and is either too stubborn or too uninterested to rectify it. Williams should never have been given a 5 year contract. Who gives a 5 year fucking contract to a novice? He should also have been binned ages ago. All this talk of 'not having the right tools' is bollocks. Yes the squad was weaker before January, but that doesn't explain why they were so fucking passionless, gutless and mentally weak. Not to mention physically inept. Power may dictate the style of play, but Williams puts that into practice, or rather he doesn't. I'm sure he's a lovely bloke, just like Embleton supposedly is, but he's a fucking liability as a manager and everyone can see it. Unfortunately only Power can change things and it's not looking likely. Oh and just a footnote on Sherwood. He does fuck all, has done fuck all and will continue to do fuck all.
Grow a pair Power and do the right thing.

As others have noted - the best summation yet.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, February 13, 2017, 11:35:33
As others have noted - the best summation yet.

So you're in effect saying although it's terrible, we should just accept it ?  Power has fucked up, but he is free to continue fucking up til his heart is content?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Tails on Monday, February 13, 2017, 11:45:43
But what can we do? I don't think Power is fucking up on purpose or has this evil agenda to screw us all over like some people do, but he does need to realise that his model (The Swindon Way!) does not work anymore.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: herthab on Monday, February 13, 2017, 11:59:35
So you're in effect saying although it's terrible, we should just accept it ?  Power has fucked up, but he is free to continue fucking up til his heart is content?

The main problem, in regards to vocalising our discontent, is the divisions between the fan base. I'd happy get involved in a protest that is focused on Power removing the incumbent management team, but I'm not going to get involved in anything that is calling for Power to leave, as I can't see anything positive, at the moment, coming out of it. Power leaves and we are 100% fucked.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Private Fraser on Monday, February 13, 2017, 12:02:18
The 'model' didn't actually work for very long, to be honest.  

It didn't take long for opponents to work out what to do to counter it and, when they all did, Williams and Co failed to react sensibly.  They're still failing to!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, February 13, 2017, 12:03:47
But what can we do? I don't think Power is fucking up on purpose or has this evil agenda to screw us all over like some people do, but he does need to realise that his model (The Swindon Way!) does not work anymore.

All fair points..... FWIW, I think Power sees the club as a vehicle to generate some cash through player sales, and so far he's done alright thank you out of it.  A bit of this cash will have returned the club and some of it will have been used for the purchase of the training ground and Waterford.  The training ground once up and running has plenty of spare space, just right for a lucrative housing development. Waterford could get into Europe, like a Dundalk, and so potential money generator there, Power also probably sees himself as a Lewisham Pozzo.

The moot point is does the model still work  :hmmm:   Last season we were terrible but still produced a £750K profit on Ajose.  This season we've still got possibly Vigs, for a May sale....and there's obviously hopes for the boy Young.  So although not a Luongo/Byrne/Gladwin style bonanza, not a complete write off, so can't see any major changes anytime soon.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Monday, February 13, 2017, 12:04:50
I just enjoy his press conferences now. They literally get better and better


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, February 13, 2017, 12:08:00
The main problem, in regards to vocalising our discontent, is the divisions between the fan base. I'd happy get involved in a protest that is focused on Power removing the incumbent management team, but I'm not going to get involved in anything that is calling for Power to leave, as I can't see anything positive, at the moment, coming out of it. Power leaves and we are 100% fucked.

This

People want different things. I'm firmly in the Sherwood/Williams/Embleton out camp not Power though

Whilst I wouldn't shed any tears if power departed I'd rather not take the risk of being taken over by an absolute chancer again


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, February 13, 2017, 12:14:26
This

People want different things. I'm firmly in the Sherwood/Williams/Embleton out camp not Power though

Whilst I wouldn't shed any tears if power departed I'd rather not take the risk of being taken over by an absolute chancer again
+1


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Audrey's Bellend on Monday, February 13, 2017, 12:27:45
So, if Power is here primarily to make money (as he has said) and the only way to do that is via player sales, what sense does it make for him to continue with the 'Swindon way' which is making it almost impossible for any player to shine enough to attract bids?

Even us fans who watch the players week in week out can't work out if any of our players are any good or just shite because the style is making dross out of all of them.

Surely this must be apparent to Power. Which makes it so unbelievable he has done nothing to address the fundamental problem - the system being put into practice via Williams.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, February 13, 2017, 12:38:18
So, if Power is here primarily to make money (as he has said) and the only way to do that is via player sales, what sense does it make for him to continue with the 'Swindon way' which is making it almost impossible for any player to shine enough to attract bids?

Even us fans who watch the players week in week out can't work out if any of our players are any good or just shite because the style is making dross out of all of them.

Surely this must be apparent to Power. Which makes it so unbelievable he has done nothing to address the fundamental problem - the system being put into practice via Williams.

As I pointed out....he still generated a tidy profit on NA, although we were shit.  Vigs will go inthe summer for some more, and then the Young might do a Louis.  You can still generate good fees in Div 4, even the Conference. The level of football isn't that important to the owner, in the same way it is to fans. Power's response to falling revenues etc will be to adjust costs accordingly.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Monday, February 13, 2017, 12:54:55
So, if Power is here primarily to make money (as he has said) and the only way to do that is via player sales, what sense does it make for him to continue with the 'Swindon way' which is making it almost impossible for any player to shine enough to attract bids?

Even us fans who watch the players week in week out can't work out if any of our players are any good or just shite because the style is making dross out of all of them.

Surely this must be apparent to Power. Which makes it so unbelievable he has done nothing to address the fundamental problem - the system being put into practice via Williams.
Thing is the money he has earned from players already show him that if he can do it every 3/4 years it's probably worthwhile.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, February 13, 2017, 13:09:58
So you're in effect saying although it's terrible, we should just accept it ?  Power has fucked up, but he is free to continue fucking up til his heart is content?

Well in effect yes, I guess, unless there's a better ownership alternative. We're shit at football. Everything connected with the football side of the club is terrible. We all know this. Power knows this.

He'll either do something about it and potentially start repairing things, or he won't, and people will carry on losing any faith in him, but ultimately, as I said in a previous thread, while it remains bad judgement and mistakes rather than malicious intent, my only issues with Power are football related.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 13, 2017, 13:55:15
The training ground once up and running has plenty of spare space, just right for a lucrative housing development.

Jesus if thats his plan to make money he is going to have a bloody long wait, as I have said time and time again if one is looking to make money from football Swindon Town is not a club to choose to do it!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: RobertT on Monday, February 13, 2017, 14:26:01
So, in summary, Power is to blame because he recruited the management team who are shit.

Essentially, what's important is what we can do, no?  In which case we can't get rid of Power without money, so next on the list would be the Management team - that can be gotten rid of, so to me sounds like the best plan.

Probably the best course of action is to show Power he can still have is model and make his money, but he needs to let go of the day to day and give authority to the Manager to run the footballing side - he can share transfer responsibility if he needs to, but everything else has to be the remit of the Manager/Head Coach.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: herthab on Monday, February 13, 2017, 14:34:38
So, in summary, Power is to blame because he recruited the management team who are shit.

Essentially, what's important is what we can do, no?  In which case we can't get rid of Power without money, so next on the list would be the Management team - that can be gotten rid of, so to me sounds like the best plan.

Probably the best course of action is to show Power he can still have is model and make his money, but he needs to let go of the day to day and give authority to the Manager to run the footballing side - he can share transfer responsibility if he needs to, but everything else has to be the remit of the Manager/Head Coach.
I agree with all of this. The big question is how does anyone get Power to admit his failings and put it right?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, February 13, 2017, 14:34:47
So, in summary, Power is to blame because he recruited the management team who are shit.

Essentially, what's important is what we can do, no?  In which case we can't get rid of Power without money, so next on the list would be the Management team - that can be gotten rid of, so to me sounds like the best plan.

Probably the best course of action is to show Power he can still have is model and make his money, but he needs to let go of the day to day and give authority to the Manager to run the footballing side - he can share transfer responsibility if he needs to, but everything else has to be the remit of the Manager/Head Coach.
Like he did with Sherwood and fucked that up as well.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: RobertT on Monday, February 13, 2017, 14:38:51
Sherwood's just a marketing ploy, that much has been clear.  I was responding to the question Reg raises - what should we do, protest?  I don't think anything against Power will do much good, but you'd be crazy not to expect a management team clear out now.  With that backdrop, the best we can hope for is that pressure is applied in just enough quantities that Power brings ins someone who wants to run the show themselves rather than another lapdog.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Tails on Monday, February 13, 2017, 14:39:11
There's voting with your feet but I can only see that ending up with us having another reduced budget due to lack of numbers, giving Williams & Embleton even less to work with. I won't be going to many games for the rest of the season, it's not particularly just because of the shit football, but that has played a part.

Do you think Power is stubborn or just has TOO much faith in Luke?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: herthab on Monday, February 13, 2017, 14:41:56
There's voting with your feet but I can only see that ending up with us having another reduced budget due to lack of numbers, giving Williams & Embleton even less to work with. I won't be going to many games for the rest of the season, it's not particularly just because of the shit football, but that has played a part.

Do you think Power is stubborn or just has TOO much faith in Luke?
I think Power is fully aware that he's fucked up appointing Williams, he must be unless he's a fucking idiot.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, February 13, 2017, 14:43:37
I agree with all of this. The big question is how does anyone get Power to admit his failings and put it right?

It would help if people addressed his failings rather than attacking unsubstantiated rumours. The likes of Ed will just be laughed of as nonsense, whereas a genuine objection is more likely to hit home.

Or I think so anyway.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, February 13, 2017, 14:46:33
Power has clearly fucked up on the football side for the last 2 years but still continues to do the same shit. The only thing I can surmise from this is that league position is irrelevant for what he wants. He's prepared to fuck the football side of things to either get lucky with a lookman or to do whatever else he wants. It's fair to say neither is for the good of stfc. If he truly had the interests of stfc at heart, he would have done something by now rather than the same fucking shit that don't work


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 13, 2017, 14:48:28
So Sherwood has pretty much buggered off hand on stuff then, pretty much. He came in, he fluffed the transfer window, he fluffed the pretend DoF role and he fluffed making us better.

But he may still be involved in future transfer activities.

Staggering.

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/15088678.Sherwood_takes_step_back_at_Swindon/?ref=mr&lp=1


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Tails on Monday, February 13, 2017, 14:50:20
What a fucking waste of space he was... is..


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: herthab on Monday, February 13, 2017, 14:52:18
It would help if people addressed his failings rather than attacking unsubstantiated rumours. The likes of Ed will just be laughed of as nonsense, whereas a genuine objection is more likely to hit home.

Or I think so anyway.

Once again, I think he's fully aware of the discontent and the genuine reasons for it. I don't think these need highlighting to him. I'm beginning to think he's just too pigheaded to admit it..


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Nemo on Monday, February 13, 2017, 14:52:59
New thread title then...

Luke Williams - pretty much promoted


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Parkin09 on Monday, February 13, 2017, 14:59:48
No where to hide for Luke now, I don't want to be a part of the pitchfork crew but it's beyond a joke now, he has to go.



Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Audrey's Bellend on Monday, February 13, 2017, 16:46:02
As much as I would like to see a new man in charge of team affairs, I'm not going to abuse him or shout for him to be sacked at the CG.

The fella has a job and a contract and if Power leaves him in place for this season and, God forbid, next, then we will all know where Power stands with the club's future.

Of course, Timmy standing down may actually be clearing the decks for a new man - but who would work with him still as some sort of DoF and his mate Power as the big boss.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Power to people on Monday, February 13, 2017, 17:21:20
So Sherwood has pretty much buggered off hand on stuff then, pretty much. He came in, he fluffed the transfer window, he fluffed the pretend DoF role and he fluffed making us better.

But he may still be involved in future transfer activities.

Staggering.

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/15088678.Sherwood_takes_step_back_at_Swindon/?ref=mr&lp=1

I genuinely believe that Sherwood has 'stepped back' due to wanting another job in football and if it is laid at his door he took us down it will not look good at all for him, he does not want to take that risk, but if he is DoF he is helping to oversee the club and 'sort it out' and taking a lesser role and can run away quietly and deny being involved


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, February 13, 2017, 17:26:43
Of course, Timmy standing down may actually be clearing the decks for a new man - but who would work with him still as some sort of DoF and his mate Power as the big boss.
Chris Ramsey or Sir Les of Ferdinand.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 13, 2017, 17:31:37
Don't you have to step forward in order to step back?

I thought the club didn't talk to the Advertiser due to them being banned and all that!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Monday, February 13, 2017, 17:32:50
Chris Ramsey or Sir Les of Ferdinand.
Rule the 2nd one out but don't think you are far off than alot of people think with Ramsey


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Monday, February 13, 2017, 17:33:38
FFS, how many times are they going to rearrange the deckchairs on the Titanic? Fans overboard!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Monday, February 13, 2017, 17:45:04
I took Sherwood's appointment is that Power believes in Luke but was missing that experienced head working with him, hence bringing in Sherwood. He was supposedly on the training ground every day giving in insight and experoence but it hasn't worked due to some poor quality in the team and Luke's inability to actually do anything differently..... When Sherwood came in we have improved "a little" in that we piss about a lot less at the back and try to get the ball up front quicker BUT they are still trying to pass it 200 times before they shoot rather than someone plonking it in the box or Gladwin taking a thump from 25 yards. Now is that down to Power or is that Luke's doing? answers on a post card.

Something has to change and has been said, Power isn't going to to walk so the next best step is to replace Luke with someone of Ling's calibre.

Some fans believe Luke was given the job as he was cheap but I think it's just an experiment that went wrong, Luke was on the same kind of calibre of Cooper and he got us to the playoffs (just) so when Ling left, Power took the gamble with Luke and it's not worked out, he has to have seen that and be thinking about making the change to give the team chance to stay up. I really do hope the changes is made by the end of the month to give the new manager enough time to get some momentum. Swansea did it, 5 wins in 7 since making the change


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:04:33
STATEMENT

Quote
Swindon Town Chairman Lee Power has released the following statement to clarify the current situation at The County Ground…


Dear Swindon Town Fans,


Following the closing of the transfer window, I want to try and clarify where we are and what the plans are going forward.


Firstly, I want to promise you all that no one is more frustrated and disappointed with how this season has gone up to this point than I am. I have never tried to hide behind or blame anyone else for signings the club makes.


Until this window, I have been in sole charge of all player acquisitions. I have always consulted with the Manager and/or Head Coach and kept them updated with regards targets, but ultimately I have made the final call.



Tim has been in charge of all signings this window and will continue to be going forward, he has worked with Luke on each and every signing to ensure we get what is right for this club.


Unlike most Directors of Football, Tim was on the training ground which he felt was imperative when he first came in so that he could conduct the relevant due diligence and obtain a really good understanding of what was needed on the footballing side of the club. We have started to address the areas that need improving and will continue to do so.


Luke has full responsibility regarding the coaching of the players and the selection of the team and he will continue to do so.


Two years ago we nearly got promoted with a younger squad and lower wage bill because we recruited very well. I don't think what we are doing now is any different - we just need to do it better. I am confident that if we stay up this season then we will be nearer the top of the table than the bottom next season.


I still have absolute belief in what we are trying to do. I have continued to fund the shortfall this season as the wages have increased and understandably attendances have fallen. I will carry on doing this for as long as it is necessary to do so.


I know it doesn't seem like it at the moment but the club is the most secure it has been in a long time as we are debt free. Tim is working hard speaking to clubs almost daily trying to prepare for next season. I don’t live in the country so am unable give the role the time it deserves and even if I was Tim is far more suited to this role going forward.


Luke has now been given the right tools to work with to move us to safety and I believe he will do so. I know I am putting a positive spin on everything but I genuinely believe if we get through this season in this division we will be much stronger going forward.


We have 15 cup finals starting tomorrow night at Northampton until the end of the season. We need your support more than ever so please get behind the boys for the rest of the season. Thank you for your support.


Lee Power, Chairman.


Read more at http://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/chairman-addresses-current-situation-at-stfc-3573390.aspx#BlZcWkCKv8uGivjv.99


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Barnard on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:08:38
So either he believes Williams can get us out of this mess, in which case he is insane, or he really isn't that bothered about getting relegated.



Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Bewster on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:10:13
That's just meaningless drivel


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: otanswell on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:11:08
The right tools? Yep a bunch of clueless idiots

Bloke is deluded, he needs to change, and now

I still don't believe we are 'debt free' either


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: otanswell on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:13:48
So either he believes Williams can get us out of this mess, in which case he is insane, or he really isn't that bothered about getting relegated.



Both


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Berniman on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:15:20
I usually quite like what Power has to say, that just sounds like a politicians response to me, but at least he has said something I guess..


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: woolster on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:15:27
The right tools? Yep a bunch of clueless idiots

Bloke is deluded, he needs to change, and now

I still don't believe we are 'debt free' either
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Nemo on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:15:35
Nowt new there really except an attempt to make it seem like Sherwood was never in charge of selection


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:16:16
The right tools? Yep a bunch of clueless idiots
To be fair, a lot of them are right tools.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:17:23
Quote from: Bewster
That's just meaningless drivel

it's a start.

don't agree with 90% of it mind. but the sooty situation needed clearing up...


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Captain Beefheart on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:18:57
Hollow words. Can he really expect us to lap that up? He and Sherwood promised experience, we got none. Power has huffed and puffed about the 'project' for coming on three years now. That doesn't wash when we're at the bottom of the table. That doesn't wash when we're in the relegation zone. The football that we are playing at the moment is some of the worst in the (relatively few) years I've been watching town... And he expects us to simply trust in the project? What good has it brought us thus far? Fuck all I say.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Private Fraser on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:19:53
Well, at least he realises that things are so bad he needs to be seen to be alive to the situation.....even if he has no intention of addressing the root cause of the problem.  "15 cup finals" my arse!  


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: wokinghamred on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:24:13
So basically we are doing nothing, except praying.

We need a manager - Williams is not the man.
More of the same will have one inevitable consequence.
We are going down, as some have been saying for a while.
For the first time, I agree.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:25:28
"15 cup finals" my arse! 

Perhaps he means 15 playoff finals, where we fail to turn up for every single one


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:25:31
 Could have waited until Friday for a statement >:(

 The first few lines are fair enough..... the last bit bollocks though.  As for finals we've had 3 of those at Wembley in the last 7 or so years, lost the lot scoring 0 and conceding 7.  So probably better to just see the next 15 as normal games.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Private Fraser on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:27:58
Could have waited until Friday for a statement >:(

 The first few lines are fair enough..... the last bit bollocks though.  As for finals we've had 3 of those at Wembley in the last 7 or so years, lost the lot scoring 0 and conceding 7.  So probably better to just see the next 15 as normal games.

It's incredible that he made the "15 cup finals" comment considering our record in cup ties in recent years!  >:(


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: suttonred on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:30:13
Can't win can he. Gets slated for not speaking, and slated worse for doing so. Anyone who thinks he doesn't care about relegation, is a moron. It's not good, we're all pissed off, but it's happened before, and will happen again, nothing to get irate over.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:32:39
Can't win can he. Gets slated for not speaking, and slated worse for doing so. Anyone who thinks he doesn't care about relegation, is a moron. It's not good, we're all pissed off, but it's happened before, and will happen again, nothing to get irate over.

 :clap:


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Captain Beefheart on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:33:55
Can't win can he. Gets slated for not speaking, and slated worse for doing so. Anyone who thinks he doesn't care about relegation, is a moron. It's not good, we're all pissed off, but it's happened before, and will happen again, nothing to get irate over.

Are you kidding? We're heading down to the basement division without a fight and in shambolic circumstances but it's 'nothing to get irate over'... I would say fair play to him for putting out a statement, only if there was anything worth reading in it.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: tans on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:34:43
I stopped reading it at this point to be honest:

'I am confident that if we stay up this season then we will be nearer the top of the table than the bottom next season.'


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Captain Beefheart on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:35:03
Can't win can he. Gets slated for not speaking, and slated worse for doing so. Anyone who thinks he doesn't care about relegation, is a moron. It's not good, we're all pissed off, but it's happened before, and will happen again, nothing to get irate over.

If this isn't a joke that's gone over my head can we put this in the 'funniest things said by fans' thread?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:37:05
Can't win can he. Gets slated for not speaking, and slated worse for doing so.
Not really. He's been slated for not acting. Or not acting in a way that would help improve the situation.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:38:13
This caught my eye and rather proves that Williams (much as Brendan Rodgers did at Liverpool) has been bullshitting all along regarding transfer process...

'Until this window, I have been in sole charge of all player acquisitions. I have always consulted with the Manager and/or Head Coach and kept them updated with regards targets, but ultimately I have made the final call.'


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:38:18
Quote from: suttonred
Can't win can he. Gets slated for not speaking, and slated worse for doing so. Anyone who thinks he doesn't care about relegation, is a moron. It's not good, we're all pissed off, but it's happened before, and will happen again, nothing to get irate over.


sorry Sutton, it's good he's talked but he's just confirmed worst case scenario in my mind.

i.e. doing the same thing with the same people and hope to do it better.

he's confident he can get it right. I hope he is. he might be.

But the only scenario I see is the opposite.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:38:51
Not really. He's been slated for not acting. Or not acting in a way that would help improve the situation.

What would help the situation?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:39:07
This caught my eye and rather proves that Williams (much as Brendan Rodgers did at Liverpool) has been bullshitting all along regarding transfer process...
Or was told to?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:40:36
What would help the situation?
The Williams/Embleton experiment has clearly failed. So bring it to an end, instead bring in a "proper" manager and let him get on with the job, rather than continually interfering directly or via proxies


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:41:47
Quote from: horlock07
Quote
Not really. He's been slated for not acting. Or not acting in a way that would help improve the situation.
What would help the situation?


definitely doing nothing and hoping for the best


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:41:52
The Williams/Embleton experiment has clearly failed. So bring it to an end, instead bring in a "proper" manager and let him get on with the job, rather than continually interfering directly or via proxies

Which could potentially go as tits up as this has, remember Paul Hart I think many thought he was a 'proper' manager? Yes a change could help the situation but I don't think with the present shambles we have it necessarily would?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:43:39
how the actual fuck could it make it worse?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:50:35
how the actual fuck could it make it worse?
This (he says, hoping not to find out)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Nemo on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:52:01
Three words - Three. Up. Top.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:52:39
That statement will pretty much ensure money stays in pockets re season tickets. Essentially he'll carry on doing what he's doing and people will continue walking. His philosophy is sound. If only those pesky other teams would just sit back and admire our boys, we'd be ok.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: otanswell on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:59:13
That statement will pretty much ensure money stays in pockets re season tickets. Essentially he'll carry on doing what he's doing and people will continue walking.

I don't think Power cares tbh


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Audrey's Bellend on Monday, February 13, 2017, 18:59:44
Just what every fan didn't want to hear - more of the same, come what may.

Well, if getting relegated isn't going to change anything he, and the club, can fuck right off.

Getting outmuscled by Crawley and Stevenage is beyond my staying power.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Ticker45 on Monday, February 13, 2017, 19:01:36
Regarding getting a manager in "to help", there is already someone in the club who has played at top level and has managed, namely Alan McLoughlin. Surely it is not beyond the wit and wisdom of Lee Power to at least having him on the sidelines to offer advice where required?



Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Audrey's Bellend on Monday, February 13, 2017, 19:05:31
One thing doesn't ring true with his statement

'We are debt free'

and

'I continue to fund any shortfall'

Surely that means the club is in debt to him


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Monday, February 13, 2017, 19:08:50
One thing doesn't ring true with his statement

'We are debt free'

and

'I continue to fund any shortfall'

Surely that means the club is in debt to him

The club supposedly became debt free in the summer, then because of the lower attendances this season he has put more funds in to cover the losses due to the above. He says we need gates of 7k every game to break even


Title: Re:
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Monday, February 13, 2017, 19:10:09
He said on the phone in the club was debt free at the start of the season. To me that means the club received the rest of the Gladwin, Luongo and Byrne money and Power was probably repaid his loans.

Now the gates have fallen he is covering the shortfall and loaning the club money.

Sent from my HTC One M9


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: overthehill on Monday, February 13, 2017, 19:11:11
Will be lucky to get 5500 from now on especially after his latest bollocks of a statement.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Audrey's Bellend on Monday, February 13, 2017, 19:16:38
The club supposedly became debt free in the summer, then because of the lower attendances this season he has put more funds in to cover the losses due to the above. He says we need gates of 7k every game to break even
Quite. So we are not debt free. We owe Lee Power at God knows what % plus base rate


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Monday, February 13, 2017, 19:22:27
Quite. So we are not debt free. We owe Lee Power at God knows what % plus base rate

I am not saying he isn't charging us a fee but it is unusual for owners to charge their business for "loans", they are normally interest free and only repaid when the business has the funds to pay it e.g. an asset sale. Ultimately they would be robbing Peter to pay Paul


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: donkey on Monday, February 13, 2017, 19:23:14
No respect for tradition. Statement on a Monday, indeed.


Title: Re: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 13, 2017, 19:23:37
how the actual fuck could it make it worse?
My comment was more to do with all the comments suggedting that a change of manager would sort all our woes, not making any comments about it getting worse?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, February 13, 2017, 19:24:22
All that I read in that is that mentally he now preparing for relegation being a possibilty, until now he has said hes confident about us getting out of it.

This sentence said it all for me...

Quote
I genuinely believe if we get through this season in this division we will be much stronger going forward

He hasn't until now used the word "if".

I agree a lot with what Sutton says though, he is hardly doing it on purpose, its in his and our interests to stay in this league next season he doesn't want us relegated any more than any of us do (a few moaners excepted).

Of course he cares about relegation even if its because his own (and the clubs) coffers will take a financial hit if we do go down.

The problem I have is that basically nothing has changed and it appears won't change either in the near future, judging by that statement.

That is his voicing of a vote of confidence in Luke Williams.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Audrey's Bellend on Monday, February 13, 2017, 19:27:31
I am not saying he isn't charging us a fee but it is unusual for owners to charge their business for "loans", they are normally interest free and only repaid when the business has the funds to pay it e.g. an asset sale. Ultimately they would be robbing Peter to pay Paul
Robbing STFC to pay Lee, you mean.

Don't know why you think owners lend money interest free - certainly not the case and I have no problem with it.

It's just not true for him to say we are debt free, cos we are not.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Monday, February 13, 2017, 19:32:19
Robbing STFC to pay Lee, you mean.

Don't know why you think owners lend money interest free - certainly not the case and I have no problem with it.

It's just not true for him to say we are debt free, cos we are not.

Only people who know if we are is him and the accountants, and we will know some of the details by the 28th of this month  :)

It's not a loan though, it's what they call "shareholder funds" and is normally put into a business to keep it running when cashflow is tight, then when there is a surplus of funds in the business, they would take out some or all of the money to repay their "loan".


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Audrey's Bellend on Monday, February 13, 2017, 19:34:26
If we owe somebody - anybody - money that needs to be repaid, I call that debt.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Monday, February 13, 2017, 19:36:16
If we owe somebody - anybody - money that needs to be repaid, I call that debt.

Yes, and he said as of the start of this season we were debt free, unfortunately this season hasn't gone as planned as he has supposedly had to put funds in so we are back in debt which he will have to cover the losses until things improve.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 13, 2017, 19:44:08
My was more to do with all the comments that a change of manager would sort all our woes, not making any comments about it getting worse?

It may not sort all our woes.
We may still get relegated.
We may stay up under Williams.

I've had enough of shit football with shit tactics, shit fitness, shit defending. Two and a half seasons of it (well 2 out of 3 at least).. I put the blame for this at Williams door.

A fresh approach is needed to provide hope. This season may be too late. To do the same next season regardless of league would finish me off.

Which is pointless stating, because as Power says, it ain't changing. Yippee.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Monday, February 13, 2017, 19:46:55
All that I read in that is that mentally he now preparing for relegation being a possibilty, until now he has said hes confident about us getting out of it.

This sentence said it all for me...

He hasn't until now used the word "if".

I agree a lot with what Sutton says though, he is hardly doing it on purpose, its in his and our interests to stay in this league next season he doesn't want us relegated any more than any of us do (a few moaners excepted).

Of course he cares about relegation even if its because his own (and the clubs) coffers will take a financial hit if we do go down.

The problem I have is that basically nothing has changed and it appears won't change either in the near future, judging by that statement.

That is his voicing of a vote of confidence in Luke Williams.


Agree with everything you have said. Unfortunately that is the ONLY vote of confidence that Williams is getting, but its the very vote that counts.....


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: joteddyred on Monday, February 13, 2017, 19:51:24
What an absolute load of garbage. What we all wanted was a statement saying Williams' contract has been terminated.

Can someone explain what purpose Sherwood being here has served because I honestly see nothing? Also, I may be being stupid, but if he's stepping away from day to day affairs, what does preparing for next season mean?

How Power thinks Williams has the right tools to save us from relegation is beyond a joke.  The players are unfit, uninterested and being coached by a clueless idiot.

It's an absolute shambles. Why don't you insult us all a bit more by putting season ticket prices up.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 13, 2017, 19:52:45
He said on the phone in the club was debt free at the start of the season. To me that means the club received the rest of the Gladwin, Luongo and Byrne money and Power was probably repaid his loans.

Who knows.

I assumed he meant it was callable debt free. We know we owe Black based on certain conditions (fair enough) and we could owe Power similarly (probably fair enough).

Where is Sangita Shah, she'll publish those accounts one day


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 13, 2017, 19:55:07
Can someone explain what purpose Sherwood being here

He's, well he's, um, you see what he does is...well someone has to ring up QPR, Brighton and Chelsea don't they.

Quote
Why don't you insult us all a bit more by putting season ticket prices up.

Even they aren't that stupid...he says.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Monday, February 13, 2017, 19:59:29
Can someone explain what purpose Sherwood being here has served because I honestly see nothing? Also, I may be being stupid, but if he's stepping away from day to day affairs, what does preparing for next season mean?

From what Power and Luke say, he is an advisor to them both, he gives Luke advice on tactics, training methods and such, he then also gives Power advice and help on recruitment.....  ???


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Audrey's Bellend on Monday, February 13, 2017, 20:08:08
Don't know what this means

https://companycheck.co.uk/company/00053100/SWINDON-TOWN-FOOTBALL-COMPANY-LIMITED/financials


Title: Re: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 13, 2017, 20:13:56
From what Power and Luke say, he is an advisor to them both, he gives Luke advice on tactics, training methods and such, he then also gives Power advice and help on recruitment.....  ???
Do you know Williams, I only ask as you keep referring to Luke?


Title: Re: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Monday, February 13, 2017, 20:18:04
Do you know Williams, I only ask as you keep referring to Luke?

No, it's just habit calling people by their first name unless they are in a "position of power" e.g. a Teacher, I switch between first and last name without realising


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Costanza on Monday, February 13, 2017, 20:31:36
I'm finding this all very tedious.

Sometimes I yearn for my younger years supporting Swindon - matchdays on a Saturday and maybe a little bit of info on the News in Brief section of ceefax football (p.312)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 13, 2017, 20:43:49
I'm finding of this all very tedious.

Sometimes I yearn for my younger years supporting Swindon - matchdays on a Saturday and maybe a little bit of info on the News in Brief section of ceefax football (p.312)

When we win our next 3 games it'll quieten down a bit..


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, February 13, 2017, 20:57:37
I'm done.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, February 13, 2017, 21:06:57
I'm done.

Craven Cottage beckons?  You're one of the lucky ones, some of us are stuck with STFC.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Whits on Monday, February 13, 2017, 21:20:50
I'm finding this all very tedious.

Sometimes I yearn for my younger years supporting Swindon - matchdays on a Saturday and maybe a little bit of info on the News in Brief section of ceefax football (p.312)
i want the days of calling club call back- https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/remembering-clubcall-pre-internet-hotspot-150240345.html

i remember the days of calling it to find out the latest info during the premiership season, the amount of times i called and it hadnt updated, however my parents not overally keen when they found out i spent about £150 calling it in a month, got an absolute bollocking!!!



Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: RobertT on Monday, February 13, 2017, 22:31:00
Don't know what this means

https://companycheck.co.uk/company/00053100/SWINDON-TOWN-FOOTBALL-COMPANY-LIMITED/financials

Accounts to end of 2015 season.  The next years are due soon, which would be up until end of the 2016 season and include the players sales like Luongo.

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/00053100/filing-history

You can see them in more detail on the link above.  Basically about 4.8m owed to long term creditors at that point, most of which was Power but I think (using the history) about 2m was carried from Black's time in charge, which is probably his debenture - so only due on conditions.  It shows Power financed between 3m and 5m - so it is entirely feasible that the player sales will offset much of that and he would have called that debt in last year.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: RobertT on Monday, February 13, 2017, 22:32:31
But who is Deborah Louise Carney - she seems to have been listed from last year, added to Power as sole owner and Anderson?

edit: a quick dig shows she's also a Director of Power Geneva Ltd with Anderson which is registered at the CG and seems to be horse racing ownership related.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 11:11:27
But who is Deborah Louise Carney - she seems to have been listed from last year, added to Power as sole owner and Anderson?

edit: a quick dig shows she's also a Director of Power Geneva Ltd with Anderson which is registered at the CG and seems to be horse racing ownership related.
Head of finance isn't she


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: gingernuggets on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 11:13:28
Lee Power is going to be on Talksport from 11am today


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: herthab on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 12:21:57
Lee Power is going to be on Talksport from 11am today

Total waste of time. And he's still claiming we've been in administration 4 times!!!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 12:28:47
Total waste of time. And he's still claiming we've been in administration 4 times!!!

Not sure of what the true figure is, they all just merge into one really, did have a quick look on wiki and it linked to this, happy memories.... http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/content/articles/2006/12/19/mike_diamandis_feature.shtml


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 12:35:12
Not sure of what the true figure is
Twice.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: herthab on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 12:36:00
Not sure of what the true figure is, they all just merge into one really, did have a quick look on wiki and it linked to this, happy memories.... http://www.bbc.co.uk/wiltshire/content/articles/2006/12/19/mike_diamandis_feature.shtml
I think we've actually been in administration twice, although I may be wrong. We've been close to a lot more though....
The annoying thing about the Talksport interview was that it seemed that Power and the panel agreed that the only reason for fan frustration is the fact we're in the bottom 4. Whilst that may have increased the level of frustration it's not the only, or even main, reason.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 12:55:05
I think we've actually been in administration twice, although I may be wrong. We've been close to a lot more though....
The annoying thing about the Talksport interview was that it seemed that Power and the panel agreed that the only reason for fan frustration is the fact we're in the bottom 4. Whilst that may have increased the level of frustration it's not the only, or even main, reason.

TBF, it's been pointed out on here many times, that Power would be in the clear as long as we were doing OK on the pitch.

The real test comes next season....even Blackpool can manage a respectable mid table Div 4 slot, with an outside chance of a run at the PO's. The busted model as stands, doesn't look like it could achieve such heights....Blackpool have even managed to get 2 league goals out of Delf x2 what our management could achieve.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 13:02:47
The busted model as stands, doesn't look like it could achieve such heights....

Are you saying the plan of "do it the same, but better", coupled with Sherwood's super January transfer activity, doesn't give you optimism.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 13:13:24
Are you saying the plan of "do it the same, but better", coupled with Sherwood's super January transfer activity, doesn't give you optimism.

I've been broadly supportive of the model, and pointed out a number of times what was needed was "to do it better," however there's zero evidence to think any lessons have been learned, or to think it will get better.  Quite the opposite, we're now looking at the worst set up in our history.... Conference football within 18 months is a very real prospect.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 13:14:08
It obvious, and I wonder if I'm being annoyed for being annoyed sake, but this has irritated me.

He was probably just asked a question on OOC players and gave a reply. But I still don't see the timing of this very helpful

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/15089521._Yaser_may_need_a_fresh_start___says_Williams/?ref=mr&lp=2

If it makes Kasim pull his finger out and put himself in the shop window he'll be a tactical genius mind :)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 13:16:39
I've been broadly supportive of the model, and pointed out a number of times what was needed was "to do it better," however there's zero evidence to think any lessons have been learned, or to think it will get better.  Quite the opposite, we're now looking at the worst set up in our history.... Conference football within 18 months is a very real prospect.

What do you define as "do it better"

For me its introducing more of a balance of the experience of player we bring in.  To have adaptability and more directness and pace in our play and to not leave it until the very last minute only to bring in dregs and rejects.

But is that a realistic aim under "self sufficiency" (which we aren't anyway, as Power says).

Selling out best players is inevitable. To rebuild the squad at every window is not.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 13:19:29
  Yaser has been away with the fairies, since the Asia Cup. It's a shame, and Luke does sound genuinely sad as he's his boy. However, the club have tried to bend over backwards to accommodate him, to no good affect...so don't see owt wrong in him now stating the bleeding obvious.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 13:36:46
What do you define as "do it better"

For me its introducing more of a balance of the experience of player we bring in.  To have adaptability and more directness and pace in our play and to not leave it until the very last minute only to bring in dregs and rejects.

But is that a realistic aim under "self sufficiency" (which we aren't anyway, as Power says).

Selling out best players is inevitable. To rebuild the squad at every window is not.

It's the aggregate effect of small decisions....chaos theory if you like.  Take as an example, last summer, and I'm taking figures here as we were told.....we spent £400K on a keeper and £150K on a striker. For me, a decent striker is of more use than a decent keeper, so the spending should have been the other way around, however Power obviously felt he can make money out of Vigs, so the winning games bit is secondary.

Similarly, and again I go by what we were told, Jordan Turnbull ended up at Cov, who are worse than us. The reason... Power didn't like the large sell on clause  put top on by Soton.  Now Jordan, wasn't great last season, but young centre halves mature with experience and he had a couple of years behind him here, also left CH's are in short supply generally in football. He was surely the sort of thing we should have been picking up on a 3 yr deal rather than a Connor Thomas.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 13:39:36
yeah, can't really disagree with that. Profit over football decisions.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 13:42:30
I've been broadly supportive of the model, and pointed out a number of times what was needed was "to do it better," however there's zero evidence to think any lessons have been learned, or to think it will get better.  Quite the opposite, we're now looking at the worst set up in our history.... Conference football within 18 months is a very real prospect.

Its been undoubtedly total wank this year, however as the summer will undoubtedly lead to another massive churn of players (as does every summer under this 'model', I think trying to project where we may end up in subsequent seasons if somewhat pointless at this stage.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Audrey's Bellend on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 13:43:45
Reg is spot on about Power's priorities when it comes to recruitment - it's with profit in mind rather than what we actually need.

A pissy L1 club should not be spending £400,000 on a GK - if he did. If he didn't the top 10 budget is bollocks.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 13:48:38
Reg is spot on about Power's priorities when it comes to recruitment - it's with profit in mind rather than what we actually need.

A pissy L1 club should not be spending £400,000 on a GK - if he did. If he didn't the top 10 budget is bollocks.

But Vigourous will be worth considerably more as a Div 3 player rather than a Div 4 one, so if money is everything why not sell him in January?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 13:51:31
Power often talks of the 90 minutes from the Championship as evidence his model can work.

The thing is that season we still had the spine of a team, so adding young players to it gave them an opportunity to shine.

This season (and last) the spine has dwindled to Nathan, Yasser & Obika.
All of which are injured most of the time or not interested (Yasser).

Signing the players we do some are going to work & some won't, but in a team without significant experience even the good ones have failed to show up.

First & foremost we need a steady spine to build a team around.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Audrey's Bellend on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 13:52:26
When he goes this summer he'll be sold as a L1 keeper. As good as he is, essentially, all he's really done is keep the score down in a lot of games.

I still don't believe he paid £400,000 for him or anywhere near £150,000 for Norris.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 13:56:42
Power often talks of the 90 minutes from the Championship as evidence his model can work.

The thing is that season we still had the spine of a team, so adding young players to it gave them an opportunity to shine.

This season (and last) the spine has dwindled to Nathan, Yasser & Obika.
All of which are injured most of the time or not interested (Yasser).

Signing the players we do some are going to work & some won't, but in a team without significant experience even the good ones have failed to show up.

First & foremost we need a steady spine to build a team around.

True, and we also had a couple like Fods and Andy Williams left over from the previous regime.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 14:09:39
True, and we also had a couple like Fods and Andy Williams left over from the previous regime.

And we had better youngsters (Luongo/Mason) and players who his form and "found a position" (Gladwin/Byrne). Though it did go tits up after the Asia cup a bit...


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Chrystovski on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 14:55:55
Power often talks of the 90 minutes from the Championship as evidence his model can work.

The thing is that season we still had the spine of a team, so adding young players to it gave them an opportunity to shine.

This season (and last) the spine has dwindled to Nathan, Yasser & Obika.
All of which are injured most of the time or not interested (Yasser).

Signing the players we do some are going to work & some won't, but in a team without significant experience even the good ones have failed to show up.

First & foremost we need a steady spine to build a team around.

And I almost shagged a model once, I didn't so it counts for nothing. This 90 mins BS needs to stop, we got hammered 4-0 !!! 4 fucking nil, we were an utter embarrassment, christ if that's 90 minutes away from the Championship then maybe this current squad isn't as far away as I thought!!

It's the most irritating line LP uses!! Stop it, you are not convincing anyone!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Bathtime on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 16:22:51
Can I just say that Luke Norris is probably one of the worst strikers we have had or do I need to start a completely new thread to single out the fact the shortage of goals this season is the reason we are in this mess...


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: THE FLASH on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 16:27:59
Not a bad player just a bad striker.

Attacking midfielder for him.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: leftside on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 20:54:50
“I think that Luke’s now got the tools - there are no excuses now - for this side to stay in this league, whereas before I think I might have sold them a bit short with the players who were given to him.’’ - Reported in Adver today re Talk Sport interview.

Power's definitely placed Williams in the 'bad workman' category now. I wonder if he is opening the door to sack (or demote) him if (when) sooner rather than later?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: THE FLASH on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 22:28:35
“I think that Luke’s now got the tools - there are no excuses now - for this side to stay in this league, whereas before I think I might have sold them a bit short with the players who were given to him.’’ - Reported in Adver today re Talk Sport interview.

Power's definitely placed Williams in the 'bad workman' category now. I wonder if he is opening the door to sack (or demote) him if (when) sooner rather than later?

too late!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: tans on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 22:33:28
Power needs to forget the pride and get rid of the fucker. Now.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: ronnie21 on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 22:39:27
Power needs to forget the pride and get rid of the fucker. Now.
You do write some shit Tans . . . . . but you are 100% right on this one!!  soapy tit wank


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Audrey's Bellend on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 22:43:11
“I think that Luke’s now got the tools - there are no excuses now - for this side to stay in this league, whereas before I think I might have sold them a bit short with the players who were given to him.’’ - Reported in Adver today re Talk Sport interview.

Power's definitely placed Williams in the 'bad workman' category now. I wonder if he is opening the door to sack (or demote) him if (when) sooner rather than later?
We've got some right tools, for sure


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 22:46:57
Can I just say that Luke Norris is probably one of the worst strikers we have had or do I need to start a completely new thread to single out the fact the shortage of goals this season is the reason we are in this mess...

Can you slag off the rest of the team on Saturday please?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Whits on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 23:15:13
The thing with the strikers is they don't really get much service!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 23:20:20
I just don't get it....

I know he has a mortgage to pay and what not but when you are clearly out of your depth and hated/derided by thousands of people how can anyone with any pride just carry on. I can only assume he is holding out for a pay off as he can't possibly be that deluded to think he is the right person for the job...


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 23:24:20
I just don't get it....

I know he has a mortgage to pay and what not but when you are clearly out of your depth and hated/derided by thousands of people how can anyone with any pride just carry on. I can only assume he is holding out for a pay off as he can't possibly be that deluded to think he is the right person for the job...

I'm starting to believe that he's a fantasist living in cloud cuckoo land (not Switzerland).

(http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/Nerdkiller/fatherteddreamsreality2.gif)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 23:27:08
The fact that this thread is still going is a disgrace and an insult to supporters


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: joteddyred on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 23:28:56
I just don't get it....

I know he has a mortgage to pay and what not but when you are clearly out of your depth and hated/derided by thousands of people how can anyone with any pride just carry on. I can only assume he is holding out for a pay off as he can't possibly be that deluded to think he is the right person for the job...


This.  He'll surely render himself unemployable again if it carries on much longer.

I honestly think he must be incredibly dim.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, February 14, 2017, 23:58:39
I'm starting to believe that he's a fantasist living in cloud cuckoo land (not Switzerland).

(http://i867.photobucket.com/albums/ab239/Nerdkiller/fatherteddreamsreality2.gif)
On reflection I am starting to think he is genuinely deluded so that diagram is about right.

He must be approaching having the worst record for anyone who has over a year of managerial experience which is a stat that no one in their right mind would want against their name. As others have said he's going to make himself unemployable elsewhere before long.

He's likely to get some real abuse shouted at him before long and his responses about it not bothering him and asking people to aim it at him will just antagonise people further. It's going to get very poisonous, wouldn't be surprised to see something like Cheltenham away under King!


Title: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 00:09:59
before long = Saturday.

open season.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 00:13:03
But it's ok because the team had been mentally weak since about October and we haven't done a thing about it! The guy is a gibbering idiot.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 00:22:57
no, we are saved because gladwin loves the club and wants to win.

far more important than finding a balance in midfield I think you'll agree.

doesn't matter if ince goes down or not with those two in the team together (gladwin + colkett). almost hope one of them gets an injury and can't play.. that's just wrong


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 00:25:19
When you get Ajose back and he doesn't look like scoring you are in deep shit.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 01:09:33
yup. started slowly last time though. that's why we needed him January 1st.. but I get he wasn't available


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Stevens on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 07:39:52
Enough is enough now - they need to hear another voice in the changing room.

I stated last week we need 7pts at least from the 5 relegation battle games, so far 0 out of 2.

Hate to see anyone sacked, do something now before you lose more of your fan base, will be lucky to get 6,000 at the County Ground this weekend.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 07:58:31
I missed the game.

So we lost again? And he's still fucking here?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 08:02:43
I missed the game.

So we lost again? And he's still fucking here?

Yes. Yes he is.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 08:42:19
How many losses before King got the sack? 8 wasnt it?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 09:21:45
I'm yet to be convinced that Power is a thieving cunt but if Williams does not go soon then I will be convinced that Power's a useless cunt.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 09:40:03
a pigheaded cunt at the very very least


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: tans on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 09:56:51
How many losses before King got the sack? 8 wasnt it?

6


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 09:57:36
How many losses before King got the sack? 8 wasnt it?

Different chairman, so it's irrelevant.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 10:27:02
Just a thought for those who are saying he should resign (i.e. it's his decision).

Would you?

If you were shit at your job, but getting through it day to day, would you just pack up and leave? No. Why should he? He's not a rich man. He has a mortgage to pay, a family, lives in the town... He's not just going to up sticks is he!

tl:dr It's not his decision to make.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 10:29:20
When you get Ajose back and he doesn't look like scoring you are in deep shit.
He needs service to score - and we are not supplying it!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 10:36:27
Just a thought for those who are saying he should resign (i.e. it's his decision).

Would you?

If you were shit at your job, but getting through it day to day, would you just pack up and leave? No. Why should he? He's not a rich man. He has a mortgage to pay, a family, lives in the town... He's not just going to up sticks is he!

tl:dr It's not his decision to make.
Nope i wouldn't just walk. I wouldn't also be shocked though to be told i was awful at my job if i was doing as bad a job as he is.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 10:37:40
Nope i wouldn't just walk. I wouldn't also be shocked though to be told i was awful at my job if i was doing as bad a job as he is.

Agreed, but I'd cling on, stretch it out, fight tooth and nail for the sake of my family and the roof over my head, and on the side being doing everything I can to find another gig somewhere else.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 10:38:22
Just a thought for those who are saying he should resign (i.e. it's his decision).

Would you?

If you were shit at your job, but getting through it day to day, would you just pack up and leave? No. Why should he? He's not a rich man. He has a mortgage to pay, a family, lives in the town... He's not just going to up sticks is he!

tl:dr It's not his decision to make.

Absolutely. There's such a thing as dignity....staying in a job which isn't working out, just to pay the mortgage is wrong.  Far better to be able to hold your head high.  If Luke had walked earlier, he could have kept his rep as a coach....now though it's gone. Plenty of work though out there, he should be able to pick a gig somewhere in the football world.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: tans on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 10:40:37
Absolutely. There's such a thing as dignity....staying in a job which isn't working out, just to pay the mortgage is wrong.  Far better to be able to hold your head high.  If Luke had walked earlier, he could have kept his rep as a coach....now though it's gone. Plenty of work though out there, he should be able to pick a gig somewhere in the football world.

I hear abbey meads u14's need a coach


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 10:48:33
Absolutely. There's such a thing as dignity....staying in a job which isn't working out, just to pay the mortgage is wrong.  Far better to be able to hold your head high.  If Luke had walked earlier, he could have kept his rep as a coach....now though it's gone. Plenty of work though out there, he should be able to pick a gig somewhere in the football world.

Of course it's not wrong! I can imagine he lives month to month, like most people in their 30s with a family. Why would he give up his income?

Anyway, primary point is it's not his decision to make and Power needs to step up. Every day that passes, every match, he loses more and more of the tiny amount of credibility he has. I've been one of his staunchest defenders, particularly regarding the non-football side of the business, but even I think he's being a fucking knob.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 10:49:52
Agree with all that PP. Power's fault for putting LW in the position in the first place and Power's fault for not resolving it once it became clear he was out of his depth.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 11:00:49
Of course it's not wrong! I can imagine he lives month to month, like most people in their 30s with a family. Why would he give up his income?

Anyway, primary point is it's not his decision to make and Power needs to step up. Every day that passes, every match, he loses more and more of the tiny amount of credibility he has. I've been one of his staunchest defenders, particularly regarding the non-football side of the business, but even I think he's being a fucking knob.

I guess it's a generational thing, but in my world some things have always been more important than money.  Now I don't know the nature of Luke's contract, but if he's hoping to get the sack in the next few days so he can pick up a 4 yr pay off, rather than walk then fair enough, but the consensus seems to be that Power is unlikely to have been that stupid.


Title: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 11:19:05
also agree with pp.

and it's not nice to want someone sacked, but sacked he must be. or at least moved out of harms way - well away from the first team


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 11:20:20
I'm yet to be convinced that Power is a thieving cunt but if Williams does not go soon then I will be convinced that Power's a useless cunt.
Pretty much where I stand on it all.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 11:31:42
I guess it's a generational thing, but in my world some things have always been more important than money.  Now I don't know the nature of Luke's contract, but if he's hoping to get the sack in the next few days so he can pick up a 4 yr pay off, rather than walk then fair enough, but the consensus seems to be that Power is unlikely to have been that stupid.
I doubt he'd be looking to pick up a 4-year pay off (and agree that the "5-year" deal is likely to be a rolling 1-year or some such anyway which wouldn't involve much or any compo), more that he'd want to ensure he had another job to go to before walking out on the one he has. As any of us would, the more so in football where full-time roles can be scarce and insecure


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Stevens on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 11:34:54
I doubt he'd be looking to pick up a 4-year pay off (and agree that the "5-year" deal is likely to be a rolling 1-year or some such anyway which wouldn't involve much or any compo), more that he'd want to ensure he had another job to go to before walking out on the one he has. As any of us would, the more so in football where full-time roles can be scarce and insecure

I was speaking to Terry Brown the old Wimbledon boss a couple of years ago and he said he was earning more at Margate than Cooper was earning at Swindon, he quoted Cooper on £25,000 a year.
I doubt if Williams is on a large wage, and if he is relying on win bonus to bolster he is going to be short of cash.
So Power would not have to fork out much to get rid.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: tans on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 11:39:52
How the fuck would Terry Brown know?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 11:43:02
I doubt he'd be looking to pick up a 4-year pay off (and agree that the "5-year" deal is likely to be a rolling 1-year or some such anyway which wouldn't involve much or any compo), more that he'd want to ensure he had another job to go to before walking out on the one he has. As any of us would, the more so in football where full-time roles can be scarce and insecure

Security is a problem, but there are lots of jobs out there....especially in the post Brexit world.

Football is a truly global industry, OK English coaches have a terrible rep, but there's got to be plenty of places that would be happy to have one.  Tony Adams got a nice gig at Gabala in Azerbaijan.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Stevens on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 11:47:25
How the fuck would Terry Brown know?

He applied for the job


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 11:55:13
Security is a problem, but there are lots of jobs out there....especially in the post Brexit world.

Football is a truly global industry, OK English coaches have a terrible rep, but there's got to be plenty of places that would be happy to have one.  Tony Adams got a nice gig at Gabala in Azerbaijan.
True, I hadn't thought of overseas, there is plenty of work for coaches overseas. But that's not necessarily an attractive or viable option if you have a young family settled in the area.

On a side note, you may be right that English managers might have a bad rep in senior football, but at youth/academy/development level, English coaches seem to be well thought of, especially in the US. Know quite a few lads who've gone over there to coach in pre-Academy type set-ups, on full time permanent contracts for good money, rather than the patchwork of 2-3 hours a week here, there and everywhere at less than a tenner an hour they get offered over here.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 11:55:59
He applied for the job
That doesn't mean he knows what Cooper was on, just what he (Brown) was offered. Cooper's deal might have been different


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 12:04:34
True, I hadn't thought of overseas, there is plenty of work for coaches overseas. But that's not necessarily an attractive or viable option if you have a young family settled in the area.

On a side note, you may be right that English managers might have a bad rep in senior football, but at youth/academy/development level, English coaches seem to be well thought of, especially in the US. Know quite a few lads who've gone over there to coach in pre-Academy type set-ups, on full time permanent contracts for good money, rather than the patchwork of 2-3 hours a week here, there and everywhere at less than a tenner an hour they get offered over here.

Exactly. There's also a growing market in women's footballl especially in the US.  Luke would be far better suited for that,  than his current gig.

As far as I know, Trump hasn't yet banned Brits from going to the US, though I suppose the CG's proximity to a couple of mosques, might be a problem.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Stevens on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 12:06:01
That doesn't mean he knows what Cooper was on, just what he (Brown) was offered. Cooper's deal might have been different

It's not worth going on - but they do know each other quite well, I'm sure they talk!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 12:07:17
Exactly. There's also a growing market in women's footballl especially in the US.  Luke would be far better suited for that,  than his current gig.
Yes, but may well be easier said than done, if it involves uprooting a young family. It's one thing for young single guys to piss off to the US on a 12-month contract with option/hope of an extension to permanent, quite different if you've got a young family (which I think I read he has, if not then please ignore this)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 12:15:16
It's not worth going on - but they do know each other quite well, I'm sure they talk!
Fair enough, take your word for it. If we're only offering £25k for a manager, we're going to struggle to get anyone in


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 12:19:29
I was speaking to Terry Brown the old Wimbledon boss a couple of years ago and he said he was earning more at Margate than Cooper was earning at Swindon, he quoted Cooper on £25,000 a year.
I doubt if Williams is on a large wage, and if he is relying on win bonus to bolster he is going to be short of cash.
So Power would not have to fork out much to get rid.
That would suggest Margate are paying a manager £25k+ I extremely doubt it, they would have been an Isthmian league team!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 12:20:27
Yes, but may well be easier said than done, if it involves uprooting a young family. It's one thing for young single guys to piss off to the US on a 12-month contract with option/hope of an extension to permanent, quite different if you've got a young family (which I think I read he has, if not then please ignore this)

People do it all the time though.  it's globalisation and the gig economy.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 12:33:32
People do it all the time though.  it's globalisation and the gig economy.

Indeed although I suspect not often when resigning a job with no new one to go to. With the best will in the world that's going to mean a couple of months with no income to pay the mortgage?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 12:35:48
Indeed although I suspect not often when resigning a job with no new one to go to. With the best will in the world that's going to mean a couple of months with no income to pay the mortgage?

Get in a lodger then.... again, it's what people do. Luke is no different after all he's told us he's working class.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Stevens on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 12:37:05
That would suggest Margate are paying a manager £25k+ I extremely doubt it, they would have been an Isthmian league team!

They certainly were paying a lot more, they had money to burn a few seasons back, same situation with a lot of semi-pro or non-league as we like to call them.
Brown's job was to get them to the Conference, they got to Conference South and then relegated, he failed and was sacked.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 12:56:46
Get in a lodger then.... again, it's what people do. Luke is no different after all he's told us he's working class.
Or just keep the job you already have?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 13:20:04
Lets all bear in mind, this was Williams first game actually picking the team on his own as according to Power he is now in charge, previously Sherwood and before that Power himself.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 13:36:34
They certainly were paying a lot more, they had money to burn a few seasons back, same situation with a lot of semi-pro or non-league as we like to call them.
Brown's job was to get them to the Conference, they got to Conference South and then relegated, he failed and was sacked.

They are still in the National League South so clearly didn't get relegated.

Anyway point stands as I highly doubt they were paying £25k+ for just a manager as they only get 300 to 400 crowds.

Also if he was really only on £25k Cooper would have blatantly gone to one of the clubs that he supposedly turned down so I just don't believe it.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 13:45:34
Or just keep the job you already have?

We're all different, but I've always known when it's time to go...and then see what happens. Might mean some shit might not....that's life.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Stevens on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 13:45:43
They are still in the National League South so clearly didn't get relegated.

Anyway point stands as I highly doubt they were paying £25k+ for just a manager as they only get 300 to 400 crowds.

Also if he was really only on £25k Cooper would have blatantly gone to one of the clubs that he supposedly turned down so I just don't believe it.

What is the point? Just reporting what I was told from a good friend who knows Cooper well.

I am not talking about the situation now.
They had a lot of money behind them when Brown was there, and it wouldn't matter if the crowd was 10.
My mistake relegated from Conference, and just about to get relegated again.

Getting a bit frustrated know: It seems if you are not known as poster who comes on here often you know nothing, so lets say I'm just making up a load of bullshit, you are right, keep making the argument and have a nice day.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 13:51:57
In 2005, 20K average PA for Torquay players in the conference. And the manager was saying "we won't get promoted on that budget".

25K isn't that much out of step for the manager of a team going for it in the league below...in any case it was only what h heard.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: paul backskin on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 14:11:06
What is the point? Just reporting what I was told from a good friend who knows Cooper well.

I am not talking about the situation now.
They had a lot of money behind them when Brown was there, and it wouldn't matter if the crowd was 10.
My mistake relegated from Conference, and just about to get relegated again.

Getting a bit frustrated know: It seems if you are not known as poster who comes on here often you know nothing, so lets say I'm just making up a load of bullshit, you are right, keep making the argument and have a nice day.


Earlier this season stood at Supermarine for the visit of FGR I was speaking to Dale Vince and Jez Webb, Mr Vince also spoke of the figure of £25K as the basic salary that cooper was on at STFC, this had many bonuses attached to it but that is what Dale said his wage was. So its certainly not the case of waving a magic wand and getting a man we all want for an average wage.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 14:11:51
Of course it's not wrong! I can imagine he lives month to month, like most people in their 30s with a family. Why would he give up his income?

Anyway, primary point is it's not his decision to make and Power needs to step up. Every day that passes, every match, he loses more and more of the tiny amount of credibility he has. I've been one of his staunchest defenders, particularly regarding the non-football side of the business, but even I think he's being a fucking knob.

Spot on PP. Power should have acted months ago. The transfer window recruits haven't helped and it's been clear for months that something needed to change at managerial level and it hasn't happened.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 14:18:20
Lose on Saturday then Williams has to go surely.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 15:04:09
Lose on Saturday then Williams has to go surely.
You'd have thought. But then we said that about last night. And last Saturday. And the two derby games. Apparently not


Title: Re:
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 19:14:03
I saw earlier a retweet that LW was appointed on 8th March 2016. There could be something in the contract that triggers another 12 months rollover or a release clause. Just a thought that either party are hanging on for something?

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Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 19:39:07
Lose on Saturday then Williams has to go surely.
How many times has that been said ?.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 19:43:44
If he was going to be sacked, he would have done by now. Him and Power are in a stalemate, can't see why LW doesn't live - surely he's making himself unemployable for future jobs?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Super Hans on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 19:49:45
If he was going to be sacked, he would have done by now. Him and Power are in a stalemate, can't see why LW doesn't live - surely he's making himself unemployable for future jobs?
Wouldn't leave my job unless I had another one lined up. He'll need to be pushed.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 19:49:46
If he was going to be sacked, he would have done by now. Him and Power are in a stalemate, can't see why LW doesn't live - surely he's making himself unemployable for future jobs?

Isn't it simply that LW has 4 yrs of his contract to run - and, therefore, the prospect of a pay off equal to 4 x annual salary if LP decides he has to go?  Very few people would pass up the prospect of such a pay off by resigning.  The root of the problem seems to be LP's rash decision to award such a long contract to an untested manager.  I'll bet he now regrets it every day.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Audrey's Bellend on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 19:59:58
But if Power will not change his philosophy on how he wants the team to play - even in L2 - how many prospective managers would sign up for that.

We'll end up attracting the desperate, yes-Lee, whatever-you-say-Lee, candidates when what we need is a fuck-off-Lee-and-let-me-get-on-with-it type. 

Problem is, Power wouldn't countenance that. We're stuck with the desperate, I'm afraid.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 20:00:33
Isn't it simply that LW has 4 yrs of his contract to run - and, therefore, the prospect of a pay off equal to 4 x annual salary if LP decides he has to go?  Very few people would pass up the prospect of such a pay off by resigning.  The root of the problem seems to be LP's rash decision to award such a long contract to an untested manager.  I'll bet he now regrets it every day.

Power said in that Talksport interview that he gave Williams a 5 year contract as coach, and he's currently 2 years through. I might have misheard it though, anyone else hear that?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 20:11:26
If I was a manager I'd go nowhere near town. Also the standard of player we can attract is crap. It is one cluster fuck. I think Williams and embleton will be there for div 4. If power was going to do anything he would have done it by now. We are fucked not only this season but next as well.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Ells on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 20:16:27
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Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: tans on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 20:20:17
Power said in that Talksport interview that he gave Williams a 5 year contract as coach, and he's currently 2 years through. I might have misheard it though, anyone else hear that?

He said that.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 20:25:41
he said we have been in administration 4 times in 15 years too


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: NorthernRed on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 21:16:35
Hello all,

Long time lurker, first time poster.

It's clear that Williams has to go.  The play has gotten so stale recently, we don't attack with purpose.  The team looks like they have so little confidence to actually try something; they look scared to make a mistake.

Now I don't get to many home games as I'm in the North, but I try and get to as many away games as I can.  The performance against Bury wasn't completely different to the performance against Bolton - only a month apart.  It's no surprise that Sherwood stepped back from team affairs shortly after the Bolton game from looking at the two performances.

In the end, if Power really wants to achieve his goal and take us to the Championship he needs to adapt his philosophy - bring a manager in who can play attractive football, motivate players and let them bring in players who don't need to bring their ID when they go out.  A winning team will make players more attractive to sell and, in the end, fans want to win.



Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 21:45:29
cunt.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 21:49:03
Now we've got the traditional TEF first post welcome out the way....Welcome NorthernRed. Normally living away from the CG would be frustrating between 3-5 on a Saturday. After an ever deteriorating death spiral that the club finds it in I envy you!

The point about Power and the championship. I don't mean this in a conspiracy theory way, but maintaining league 1 is probably more ideal for him. The way I see it is going up would incur a butt load of extra expense - the wages alone are huge up there - and more limits his ability to turd polish and sell on. Its got to be harder to get the kids to look good in the Championship hasn't it. And possibly a bit harder to sell into the same league.

I guess the transfer fees could go up, IF you can find a gem.



Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: NorthernRed on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 21:54:23
Thanks for the welcome.

Looking at it in a cynical way if all Power wants to use the club for is a shop window for selling players and making a profit then it doesn't matter what division you're in (see Roofe/Bogle)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 21:55:05
The frustrating thing about the fact that Power won't replace Williams, is that the league is shit enough that a proper manager might actually be able to keep us up, even now.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: NorthernRed on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 21:57:38
The frustrating thing about the fact that Power won't replace Williams, is that the league is shit enough that a proper manager might actually be able to keep us up, even now.


Precisely.

Bury were awful - with the supposed talent we had we should have beaten them easily, but we didn't. Why, because we weren't willing to risk it.  Did we really need 3 at the back plus a screening player when they parked the bus for 70 minutes?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Nijholts Nuts on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 21:59:28
I think it all boils down to the fact the LP and LW need their heads banging together, both are hindering the club whilst telling us how much they care and we could be in such a better position if one or both did the decent thing and made it so we could get a proper manager in.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: tans on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 22:05:20
Thanks for the welcome.

Looking at it in a cynical way if all Power wants to use the club for is a shop window for selling players and making a profit then it doesn't matter what division you're in (see Roofe/Bogle)

Valid point,

However the two players mentioned there are decent. Bar Vigs, we have a steaming pile of shit. At least most are out of contract end of the season.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 22:07:52
Valid point,

However the two players mentioned there are decent. Bar Vigs, we have a steaming pile of shit. At least most are out of contract end of the season.

It is, but I also reckon it would be harder to convince anyone with other options division 4 is where it is at.

We may get even turdier turds..especially the loans.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 22:09:39
Valid point,

However the two players mentioned there are decent. Bar Vigs, we have a steaming pile of shit. At least most are out of contract end of the season.

But they were still picked up for buttons and flogged on for decent money....which is what interests Power as opposed to what league we're in.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: tans on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 22:11:39
But they were still picked up for buttons and flogged on for decent money....which is what interests Power as opposed to what league we're in.

That useless twat in charge at the moment couldnt even polish a turd, so its moot at the moment


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: tans on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 22:13:03
But yes, with the number out of contract next season, it'll be quite interesting which turds will turn up pre season.

Im going for a minimum of 3 ex QPR to start with


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 22:14:08
But they were still picked up for buttons and flogged on for decent money....which is what interests Power as opposed to what league we're in.

But further diluted quality from this year..even harder to look good...doubt that conference football is part of the plan. I don't buy (relagation) it having no impact on sales potential..


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 22:18:28
It is, but I also reckon it would be harder to convince anyone with other options division 4 is where it is at.

We may get even turdier turds..especially the loans.

Kevin Stewart had been at Cheltnum before us in Div 4. The boy Conroy was on loan at Aldershot from Chelsea. Lloyd Jones was also at Cheltnum and Accy. The getting top end loans went when Sherwood left Spurs. Power will still be able to pick up bodies from Glentoran, Redditch, Maidstone, park football etc.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 22:19:30
Kevin Stewart had been at Cheltnum before us in Div 4. The boy Conroy was on loan at Aldershot from Chelsea. Lloyd Jones was also at Cheltnum and Accy. The getting top end loans went when Sherwood left Spurs. Power will still be able to pick up bodies from Glentoran, Redditch, Maidstone, park football etc.

Fair points I suppose :)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: NorthernRed on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 22:25:14
One thing that really annoys me is the flip flopping between formations.

I think we've played 4-3-3, 4-2-3-1, 4-4-2 diamond and 3-5-2 at some stages this year.

Get one formation sorted then move onto the next if necessary.  No wonder recruitment was a shambles.  Also doesn't allow players to understand their role.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 22:36:45
Mike Bassett...

I think he tries to shoehorn players into the squad sometimes, changes formation to accommodate them rather than dropping and  playing to our strongest formation


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, February 15, 2017, 22:38:39
If I was a manager I'd go nowhere near town. Also the standard of player we can attract is crap. It is one cluster fuck. I think Williams and embleton will be there for div 4. If power was going to do anything he would have done it by now. We are fucked not only this season but next as well.
And the 3 after that if nothing changes.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Stevens on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 07:27:31
Has Williams had the vote of confidence from the Chairman yet?



Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 09:33:30
I think "now has tools for the job" is as close as it comes. still think it'll be end of season though


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Chrystovski on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 09:41:14
I think "now has tools for the job" is as close as it comes. still think it'll be end of season though

Agreed, I don't think he will be sacked this season and even if we go down I wouldn't be surprised if the 'dream' duo were still in charge.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Audrey's Bellend on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 10:34:28
Well, if Power wants the trickle of STs to stop altogether, then keep Williams on.

Who in their right mind will stump up another £350 to watch this shite in L2.

Perhaps him and his mate Agombar want to turn us into another Hereford


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 13:26:00
Perhaps we should start a petition..... http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/disgruntled-bristol-city-fan-sets-up-petition-calling-for-head-coach-lee-johnson-to-be-sacked/story-30138847-detail/story.html


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 13:32:04
That is hilariously tin-pot.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: ron dodgers on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 14:11:37
Well, if Power wants the trickle of STs to stop altogether, then keep Williams on.

Who in their right mind will stump up another £350 to watch this shite in L2.

Perhaps him and his mate Agombar want to turn us into another Hereford

me - cos I support my team


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 14:17:22
Perhaps we should start a petition..... http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/disgruntled-bristol-city-fan-sets-up-petition-calling-for-head-coach-lee-johnson-to-be-sacked/story-30138847-detail/story.html

Started by our very own pauld :D


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 16:49:28
Started by our very own pauld :D
23, I fucking wish


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 17:08:40
base 21 you might be


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 17:14:27
base 21 you might be
Ha ha, good nerding sir


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 17:40:41

Oldham (H)
Coventry(A)
Gillingham (H)
Chesterfield (H)
Port Vale (A)

Our next 5 games are very winnable. If we can somehow scrape a win against the latics it could be a shot in the arm we need.

I'm kidding myself aren't I?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 17:49:58
Oldham (H)
Coventry(A)
Gillingham (H)
Chesterfield (H)
Port Vale (A)

Our next 5 games are very winnable. If we can somehow scrape a win against the latics it could be a shot in the arm we need.

I'm kidding myself aren't I?


 :nod:
 
 Much easier to accept we're down.....ignore the rest of the campaign as far as possible and reconvene in July, to see if any sign of te changes that will be needed to preserve our League status


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 18:11:41
Winnable by whom? Not us.


Title: Re: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Only Me on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 19:05:00
me - cos I support my team
Nice one

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Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 19:16:58
There are some very winnable games coming up.

What a shame we'll have Williams as manager for them.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 19:19:50
There are some very winnable games coming up.

What a shame we'll have Williams as manager for them.

It's so annoying isn't it. Before the Bury game thats 30 points we could realistically look to pick up. With LW in charge we'll probably Draw 3, but that's ok, as it's the same as a win!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 19:42:03
Annoying? I find it angering.

There's PLENTY of time and opportunity to pull free, but...


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 19:42:20
It's so annoying isn't it. Before the Bury game thats 30 points we could realistically look to pick up. With LW in charge we'll probably Draw 3, but that's ok, as it's the same as a win!
That's amazingly optimistic


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 20:00:55
There are some very winnable games coming up.

What a shame we'll have Williams as manager for them.

It sometimes feels that Town fans are, somehow, being punished by Power... for something we haven't done yet.




Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 20:10:45
Oldham (H)
Coventry(A)
Gillingham (H)
Chesterfield (H)
Port Vale (A)

Our next 5 games are very winnable. If we can somehow scrape a win against the latics it could be a shot in the arm we need.

I'm kidding myself aren't I?


Yes, but it's why a change of manager now would potentially be enough to save us from the drop.

Even the short term up turn in form that it often brings MAY have got us 8 points from those 5 games, and more importantly stopped those teams from getting many points, as I'm sure most of them are looking at us as a good chance to boost their survival chances.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 20:15:08
There are some very winnable games coming up.

What a shame we'll have Williams as manager for them.
The annoying thing is pretty much every game we have played this season has been winnable given how shit this league is. As an aside who is the best visiting side that everybody has seen at the CG this season? With absolutely no sarcasm Eastleigh have genuinely been the best side I have seen at the CG so far which says a hell of a lot about the overall shitness of this division.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 20:27:49
With absolutely no sarcasm Eastleigh have genuinely been the best side I have seen at the CG so far which says a hell of a lot about the overall shitness of this division.

*Pointless observation*

Did you know that seven of Eastleigh's starting XI that night are playing elsewhere now. Non-League transfer policy is gloriously chaotic.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 16, 2017, 21:30:36
That's amazingly optimistic

Yeah I've just realised that 7 x 3 is not 30 and I have no idea where the number 30 came from!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: otanswell on Sunday, March 5, 2017, 20:14:08
Slade gone from Cov. I'd have him here


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Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, March 5, 2017, 20:15:54
Russell Slade would be this seasons 'Paul Hart'. Alan McLoughlin would fill the Paul Bodin role for the last two games of the season perfectly.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: woolster on Sunday, March 5, 2017, 20:47:08
saw Mr Williams this afternoon having a meal in Coals in regent circus, with a blonde sort :pint:


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Ginginho on Sunday, March 5, 2017, 21:23:01
saw Mr Williams this afternoon having a meal in Coals in regent circus, with a blonde sort :pint:

Was it Anton?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: woolster on Sunday, March 5, 2017, 21:24:07
Was it Anton?
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Tuesday, March 7, 2017, 10:27:43
Yes, but it's why a change of manager now would potentially be enough to save us from the drop.

Even the short term up turn in form that it often brings MAY have got us 8 points from those 5 games, and more importantly stopped those teams from getting many points, as I'm sure most of them are looking at us as a good chance to boost their survival chances.

So a draw or win and we're well on track?  8 or 10 pts from 5 for a relegation team is not relegation form, It's closer to mid table form and upwards. False dawns aside (like fucking Leicester I hope), I'll take nearly 2pts per game from now til the end of the season.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, March 7, 2017, 10:39:49
saw Mr Williams this afternoon having a meal in Coals in regent circus, with a blonde sort :pint:

She must be with him for his witty conversation


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, March 7, 2017, 13:21:18
She must be with him for his witty conversation

Surely it would be the fun and interesting personality he has


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 7, 2017, 13:29:36
Unless either of you know Williams, you've got no idea what his conversation/personality is like. It's one thing to comment on the bloke in a professional capacity, but it steps over the line when you start to bring his personal relationships/family into it.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 7, 2017, 14:21:21
Unless either of you know Williams, you've got no idea what his conversation/personality is like. It's one thing to comment on the bloke in a professional capacity, but it steps over the line when you start to bring his personal relationships/family into it.
All I know is that his interviews bore the shit out of me :D I think he extrudes an aura of natural rohypnol.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Bewster on Tuesday, March 7, 2017, 14:30:47
saw Mr Williams this afternoon having a meal in Coals in regent circus, with a blonde sort :pint:

probably getting tips on how to be attractive and tight at the back  ;D


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 7, 2017, 14:32:11
All I know is that his interviews bore the shit out of me :D I think he extrudes an aura of natural rohypnol.

But to be fair you could say that of 99% of those involved in football when they are being interviewed.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 7, 2017, 14:39:54
probably getting tips on how to be attractive and tight at the back  ;D
Plus maybe a couple of big units up top too?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, March 7, 2017, 14:42:32
But to be fair you could say that of 99% of those involved in football when they are being interviewed.
Yeah footballers aren't known for their eloquence, but I find listening to LW akin to listening to a hot drink at bedtime while drinking liquid temazapam. I truly cannot listen to his interviews.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, March 7, 2017, 15:01:00
Yeah footballers aren't known for their eloquence, but I find listening to LW akin to listening to a hot drink at bedtime while drinking liquid temazapam. I truly cannot listen to his interviews.
Me too, just a bit wary when folk start to draw family/relationships into it (which tbf, I don't think anyone has yet, but veering close to it)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, March 7, 2017, 16:46:45
Me too, just a bit wary when folk start to draw family/relationships into it (which tbf, I don't think anyone has yet, but veering close to it)

I concur.... think Luke is way out of his depth and should have been long confined to the knacker's yard, but what he gets up to in his own time is entirely his own business and none of mine, unless of course it's gross misconduct or something.



Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Tuesday, March 7, 2017, 17:10:38
I concur.... think Luke is way out of his depth and should have been long confined to the knacker's yard, but what he gets up to in his own time is entirely his own business and none of mine, unless of course it's gross misconduct or something.


Reg are you saying he was having dinner with a 12 year old?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, March 7, 2017, 17:16:06
Reg are you saying he was having dinner with a 12 year old?

Maybe he's got a blonde 12 year old daughter  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 08:05:11
Saw him in Asda the other day. He was buying food n stuff...


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Miles Mayhem on Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 09:25:07
Any sauce?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 12:02:14
Saw him in Asda the other day. He was buying food n stuff...

What sort of food and stuff. Luke claims to be working class, I think it's fair enough to know if he's buying Kingsmill thick white or Waitrose ciabatta  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 12:04:33
asda don't sell waitrose ciabatta ;)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 12:10:46
asda don't sell waitrose ciabatta ;)

Good point. For some reason I read it as supermarket.  I'm surprised Luke shops there after they were fined £300K for dead mice....not Sippo though. Maybe he is working class.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 14:25:53
Saw him in Asda the other day. He was buying food n stuff...
Any cheese ?.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: RedRag on Wednesday, March 8, 2017, 14:34:46
I'd have been more encouraged if he'd been spotted there going for a job...albeit not in management.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 18:02:49
Is he still fucking here?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: random_five on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 18:04:45
Is he still fucking here?

The worst manager in the league is also the safest manager in the league. Unbelievable stuff, only at Swindon...


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: herthab on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 18:04:59
Is he still fucking here?
He's got a 5 year contract. If I was him I wouldn't be walking. Time for Power to finally accept he fucked up and pay him off.

(This will not happen).


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: donkey on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 18:11:48
The rest of the coaching staff and three quarters of the players can fuck off, too.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: RedRag on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 18:12:12
just thought I'd see who was the manager at Waterford in case Power could fix a "loan" or exchange

it seems there is a familiar set up there:

"Reynolds was appointed as Waterford head coach for a second spell on the 2nd of January 2017, working alongside Director of Football Pat Fenlon"



Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 18:12:19
Get rid of Williams now for all of our sanity!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: 1989Monkey on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 18:24:53
Surely moving him back to just being a coach would avoid any compensation if that is what Power wants to avoid. Were fucked now and my last bit of hope went today. Time for a change and get someone in who can have a good look at the squad for the last few games in preparation for the rebuilding exercise that needs to happen.


Title: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 18:25:38
we've already appointed somebody

unfortunately that somebody is Sherwood.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Johnny Reeves on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 18:37:22
Power is the one who needs to go but it's his business not our club anymore.He is not accountable to anyone but himself.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 18:45:13
He's got a 5 year contract. If I was him I wouldn't be walking. Time for Power to finally accept he fucked up and pay him off.

(This will not happen).

This is the Club's predimament, neatly summarised.  If I was Luke Williams, I wouldn't resign either.  To do so would be to forego a 4x salary pay off.  None of us would resign in those circumstances.  (And I'm sure that Mrs Williams would have a thing or two to say to Luke if he did.)

Luke Williams is, by all accounts, a nice chap.  But Power now needs to recognise, publicly, that offering him a 5 year contract was a mistake.  If he has the Club's best interests at heart, he also now has to give Luke Williams his notice.  It will cost money, but that is the price you pay for the rash decision to offer such a long contract.

No Swindon Manager that I can remember has kept his job in similar circumstances.  The only rationale for Luke Williams staying on is if the owner, Lee Power, is comfortable with STFC dropping to League 2.  If he is comfortable with this, he should be honest about it and say so.  In the 97 years since we joined the Football League (in 1920), we have dropped in to the 4th tier for only 5 or 6 seasons.  (Reg will be able to confirm.)  In short, we don't belong there.  There is explaining to do.  Don't buy the 'we're Swindon, we're crap, we deserve this' despondency.  We're better than this.  And we deserve more.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Ells on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 19:00:01
When it was first announced I was pretty convinced that there was more to the 5 year contract - I just find it hard to believe that someone as tight/shrewd as Power would put himself in such a suffer or pay up situation.

I guess it's like almost everything else that is happening at the club though in that no one really knows what is going on..


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 19:04:24
Let's crowd fund Luke Williams and Ross Embleton the fuck out of this football club...

 8)  :(


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: woolster on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 19:25:41
Surely moving him back to just being a coach would avoid any compensation if that is what Power wants to avoid. Were fucked now and my last bit of hope went today. Time for a change and get someone in who can have a good look at the squad for the last few games in preparation for the rebuilding exercise that needs to happen.
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 20:03:23
We have seen utter complacency from the fan base with regards to Williams, it's astonishing that calls for his head did not start at matches weeks ago. For all those who say we have a higher than average number of idiots that support us, bollocks, for someone so incompetent and with such a poor record Williams has been given a massively easy ride from the fans.

I can only put this down to too many supporters having the 'at least we have a club' mindset - what else would explain such acceptance?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 20:10:08
Power is the one who needs to go but it's his business not our club anymore.He is not accountable to anyone but himself.
Then he desperately needs to have a word with himself.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Ells on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 20:10:45


I can only put this down to too many supporters having the 'at least we have a club' mindset - what else would explain such acceptance?

We're in a relegation fight, if you choose to just spend an entire match calling Williams a wanker then you are a moron.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 20:15:38
We're in a relegation fight, if you choose to just spend an entire match calling Williams a wanker then you are a moron.
Call him what you like,  he's not going to save us from relegation.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: FrigbyDaser on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 20:16:39
Power is the one who needs to go but it's his business not our club anymore.He is not accountable to anyone but himself.

Very good way of putting it. Safe to say many feel completely detached due to Power's methods. Nothing will change whilst he's here. The only thing he has "achieved" is to simultaneously produce a terrible football team and alienate the fan base to the point they don't care. But that's fine if you've managed to do a few property deals in Highworth. Utterly cancerous to the club.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Pericles on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 20:16:56
Luke Williams is a development coach. He talks like one and manages like one. He is tactically inept. His decisions are based on his mentality of developing young players. He plays them in a system that is designed to help them learn the game, not win competitive matches against managers with tactical nouse suited to the level they are managing at. Power wants to run Swindon like an acadamy so I guess that doesn't really matter what division we are in. We could still do the same at conference level. Williams interviews all point to his mentality as a development coach, 'players need to learn', 'experience can only come through experience', bollocks like that. Our form under his tenure has demonstrated this. We haven't had a decent run in two years. His man managment is probably the same, they are young kids which is his comfort zone. Trouble is when he is managing a youth squad there is no real pressure as long as some quality is coming off the conveyor belt. He is totally out of his depth at this level. I don't expect him to resign, he is on a cushy number. My worry is if he is still manager next season we can expect more of the same, in which case prepare for the worse. Part of me thinks when Power said 'he has given Luke the tools needed' suggests a kind of ultimatum, keep us up or get sacked, there is no excuse. However, I could be being a little optimistic here and accept he could be in charge in League 2 as well.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: DV Canio on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 20:23:48
We're in a relegation fight, if you choose to just spend an entire match calling Williams a wanker then you are a moron.

Fight?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Ells on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 20:26:10
Call him what you like,  he's not going to save us from relegation.

Maybe not, but if we've got any chance at all it'll be by supporting the team, not calling the manager a tosser.


Fight?

Well.. Struggle!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 20:26:38
We're in a relegation whimper.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Ells on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 20:29:20
A relegation bum-fucking. I think it was clear what I meant  :D


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: digby on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 20:47:39
Luke Williams is a development coach. He talks like one and manages like one. He is tactically inept. His decisions are based on his mentality of developing young players. He plays them in a system that is designed to help them learn the game, not win competitive matches against managers with tactical nouse suited to the level they are managing at. Power wants to run Swindon like an acadamy so I guess that doesn't really matter what division we are in. We could still do the same at conference level. Williams interviews all point to his mentality as a development coach, 'players need to learn', 'experience can only come through experience', bollocks like that. Our form under his tenure has demonstrated this. We haven't had a decent run in two years. His man managment is probably the same, they are young kids which is his comfort zone. Trouble is when he is managing a youth squad there is no real pressure as long as some quality is coming off the conveyor belt. He is totally out of his depth at this level.

This is it in a nutshell - nice bloke, maybe a good youth coach but certainly NOT a manager !


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 20:53:52
We have seen utter complacency from the fan base with regards to Williams, it's astonishing that calls for his head did not start at matches weeks ago. For all those who say we have a higher than average number of idiots that support us, bollocks, for someone so incompetent and with such a poor record Williams has been given a massively easy ride from the fans.

I can only put this down to too many supporters having the 'at least we have a club' mindset - what else would explain such acceptance?
As usual you are reliably utterly wrong. The problem is not complacency by the fans but a lack of unity as to what should be the objective - there have been people voicing their protest at matches for weeks if not months now, but they do so by singing "We want Power out". Which not everyone subscribes to. So half the crowd stay quiet or mutter "Yeah and who comes in then?" and it dies out. If they sang "We want Williams out" the whole ground would join in (EDIT: clearly this is an exaggeration, but lots more would). It's not complacency, it's lack of unity


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: digby on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 20:59:38
We have seen utter complacency from the fan base with regards to Williams, it's astonishing that calls for his head did not start at matches weeks ago. For all those who say we have a higher than average number of idiots that support us, bollocks, for someone so incompetent and with such a poor record Williams has been given a massively easy ride from the fans.

I can only put this down to too many supporters having the 'at least we have a club' mindset - what else would explain such acceptance?

I believe the reason he's survived such a shit tenure is that the disaffected fanbase has been split into two - the more vociferous and forceful group are the 'Power Out' brigade who apportion the blame to Power for appointing him.  I believe the more realistic of us who have realised Williams is NOT a manager (maybe a youth coach - see Pericles post above). This has somewhat let Williams off the hook ..... unfortunately !!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: digby on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 21:01:35
Just saw Paulds post which he must have been posting while I was writing mine !

Great minds..... and all that !!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Pericles on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 21:02:04
As usual you are reliably utterly wrong. The problem is not complacency by the fans but a lack of unity as to what should be the objective - there have been people voicing their protest at matches for weeks if not months now, but they do so by singing "We want Power out". Which not everyone subscribes to. So half the crowd stay quiet or mutter "Yeah and who comes in then?" and it dies out. If they sang "We want Williams out" the whole ground would join in (EDIT: clearly this is an exaggeration, but lots more would). It's not complacency, it's lack of unity
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I have to agree with this. People were singing Power out at Coventry but there were many who didn't join in. With one guy even argung against it. My reason for not joining in was the one you stated. 'Who takes over?'. Yes, I would love to see Power leave but we need someone to buy the club from him otherwise what? We go out of business. Williams out however, would have got me in agreement. We do need to focus on the more 'realisitic' issue at this point and that is Williams is crap and needs to go. We cannot have him still in the job in League 2 or we will go the way of Tranmere and Leyton Orient for sure!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: 1989Monkey on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 21:06:18
As usual you are reliably utterly wrong. The problem is not complacency by the fans but a lack of unity as to what should be the objective - there have been people voicing their protest at matches for weeks if not months now, but they do so by singing "We want Power out". Which not everyone subscribes to. So half the crowd stay quiet or mutter "Yeah and who comes in then?" and it dies out. If they sang "We want Williams out" the whole ground would join in (EDIT: clearly this is an exaggeration, but lots more would). It's not complacency, it's lack of unity


I have to agree with this. People were singing Power out at Coventry but there were many who didn't join in. With one guy even argung against it. My reason for not joining in was the one you stated. 'Who takes over?'. Yes, I would love to see Power leave but we need someone to buy the club from him otherwise what? We go out of business. Williams out however, would have got me in agreement. We do need to focus on the more 'realisitic' issue at this point and that is Williams is crap and needs to go. We cannot have him still in the job in League 2 or we will go the way of Tranmere and Leyton Orient for sure!

I said the same thing a few months back. The crowd need to stop singing about Power, that is never going to change and he has saved our club financially and we owe him a lot for that. However we can make a stance against Williams and Power will have to react to it. Whether you hate power or not the chant needs to be for Williams to go and not Power


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 21:06:57
As usual you are reliably utterly wrong. The problem is not complacency by the fans but a lack of unity as to what should be the objective - there have been people voicing their protest at matches for weeks if not months now, but they do so by singing "We want Power out". Which not everyone subscribes to. So half the crowd stay quiet or mutter "Yeah and who comes in then?" and it dies out. If they sang "We want Williams out" the whole ground would join in (EDIT: clearly this is an exaggeration, but lots more would). It's not complacency, it's lack of unity

I've said this before.

Channel the frustration in a coherent manner and it might make an impact. Instead, it's been hijacked by the "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THE MONEY" brigade which many want to keep clear of and is easily dismiss-able by Power.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 21:08:29
Actually, no, I've just changed my mind because Paul's getting too much love.

Fuck you, Davis.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 21:11:59
Actually, no, I've just changed my mind because Paul's getting too much love.

Fuck you, Davis.
WE WANT DAVIS OUT! WE WANT DAVIS OUT! Surely that's an idea we can all unite around?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 21:13:48
I said the same thing a few months back. The crowd need to stop singing about Power, that is never going to change and he has saved our club financially and we owe him a lot for that. However we can make a stance against Williams and Power will have to react to it. Whether you hate power or not the chant needs to be for Williams to go and not Power

Power is responsible for this shit.... he needs to consider his position.  He either needs to start running the club properly or sell it.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 21:15:27
WE WANT DAVIS OUT! WE WANT DAVIS OUT! Surely that's an idea we can all unite around?

Has a ring to it. Should save us from the drop us well I reckon.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 21:16:20
Don't know where the 'WE WANT WILLIAM S OUT' brigade sit/stand but on at least two occasions during the Gillingham game the chant was started in the town end, and was not a quiet chant it would have been heard all around the ground yet the chant died out due to lack of interest from the Arkells and the Don Rogers stand.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: joteddyred on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 21:25:16
Don't know where the 'WE WANT WILLIAM S OUT' brigade sit/stand but on at least two occasions during the Gillingham game the chant was started in the town end, and was not a quiet chant it would have been heard all around the ground yet the chant died out due to lack of interest from the Arkells and the Don Rogers stand.

Have to be honest, I didn't hear it from the Arkells.  The only shouting I've ever heard directed at Williams was when Chesterfield scored, which pretty much carried on through to the final whistle from people as they were leaving. I've never heard a 'We Want Williams Out' chant although I'm pretty sure that might change on Tuesday night.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: 1989Monkey on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 21:26:10
Power is responsible for this shit.... he needs to consider his position.  He either needs to start running the club properly or sell it.

Im not saying Power is not responsible, after all he appointed Williams and has not changed it. But as a business owner he is not going to walk away and no-one is going to buy the club from him. We have him for a few more years at least.

I sit in Don Rogers and can't say I heard a Williams out chant. That may have been because it got mixed with Power out though. On Tuesday everybody expects a defeat so this would be the time to make our feelings clear. Who's going to buy the orange hats.....


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 21:26:57
Have to be honest, I didn't hear it from the Arkells.  The only shouting I've ever heard directed at Williams was when Chesterfield scored, which pretty much carried on through to the final whistle from people as they were leaving. I've never heard a 'We Want Williams Out' chant although I'm pretty sure that might change on Tuesday night.
Sorry another senior moment,  it was Chesterfield not Gillingham.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Pericles on Saturday, March 11, 2017, 21:38:56
I didn't hear it either from the DR, perhaps because we had won the previous 2 games and were enjoying a false dawn.  As, has been stated, that may change on Tuesday unless we pull off some amazing performance and actually get something from the game. A miracle result on Tuesday will not change my personal view, or many others I suspect, that Williams is shite but it would quieten some people down. At least until we follow it up with the usual shite perfomance the following Saturday.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: leftside on Sunday, March 12, 2017, 08:54:51
Some months ago I wrote that if we go down, it won't be with Williams in charge. Unfortunately, I think that's going to be proved wrong. However, I do think Williams will not be Head Coach next season. In January Power said Williams now had all the tools he needed. He's going to fail with them and that'll be that. He'll either go back to being a coach or won't be at the club at all. So, it'll be Div 4 and a massive rebuilding job needed, hopefully by a manager who is allowed to build his own side - this, I think, will determine success or failure next season.

Williams won't resign before we're relegated. And that's fair enough. Why should he? He's got to prove to himself that he's not good enough and that won't come until we're down. We all know he is failing but he will only accept he has failed when the fight is lost.



Title: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 12, 2017, 10:13:24
well Pauld is right, lack of unity. and a resignation things won't get better under Power from most.

Sack Williams and a proper manager replacing him seems very unlikely.

Then Power added Sherwood to the mix to further muddy the waters.

I'd credit Power with divide and conquer tactics, but i doubt he's that clever. imo he's a shrewd financial bully.

i do agree that Williams is now set up for the chop over the summer. have some sympathy though - we can all see that Gladwin and colkett have talent but aren't what you need in a relation fight. that dabo looks ok but nothing more. that feruz was a joke signing. that leaves you with Ince and Ajose as saviours in a squad that was relation bound. tools to stay up my arse, too little too late.

Here's one for the conspiracy theorists: wonder if Williams has a 'relagation' clause in his contact?

one things for sure, if the management stays the same next season after a relagation, the fan base will have the life sucked it of it before a ball is kicked


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Sunday, March 12, 2017, 10:29:24
Think we all know it's relegation now. Shame but it's been coming and we have been preparing for it for weeks now even months as fans.

Massive changes are needed in the summer. Sherwood and Williams both have to go unless Sherwood really does have big plans over the summer to actually bring fresh blood in. I doubt that though as he is fucking around doing punditry on European football nights in the week. Don't believe a word of Power's "he is working really hard" bullshit.

Manager has to go, Embleton has to go, Sherwood most likely as well. We then need a decent enough lower league manager (even if it's just in the Long mould) to come in and bring some new staff in with them. And that includes a fucking fitness coach. Then we need a squad overhaul. The manager will have to have some input on my eyes. There is no point bringing in a new gaffer to then not give him some control or say over his team. A few run of the mill half decent L2 players would be alright. A bit of experience and quality at that level will go a long way. Then mix them with the usual kids and loans and we might be OK.

The alternative is to turn to an ex high profile player again who would get their first break in coaching. Someone younger players will look up to and take inspiration from.

Either way Williams has to be gone.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 12, 2017, 10:35:53
ifb, that's what should happen yes..

but... remember this statement... he's going to have to change his ways

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/swindon_town_2014/15089562.Power_speaks_out_on_current_plight/


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, March 12, 2017, 12:07:58
I watched about a minute of the interview with him after the game. He's got to be the least inspiring man we could possibly have in charge. All season it's 'we need to learn how to get the players not to be such a bunch of mentally inept fart knockers and it's a question he is repeatedly unable to answer. The players are not learning tactically or how to deal with simple match situations like 'being able to hold a lead/not concede a goal less than a minute after we have scored, or the frankly pathetic showings straight after half time.

I'm sure he's a nice man and of course he has his pride and so won't resign but enough is enough. I've seen more fight amongst our own bickering supporters than this team, they also should be ashamed of themselves for not backing up their words on the pitch. 'We go again' translates as 'we'll be equally shit next match'.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, March 12, 2017, 12:13:37
All season we've heard the "lacking mental strength " comment about this team.

Can't cope with the pressure or expectation when in front or behind, etc

The point is that this is the job of the MANAGER to sort out, and Theron lies the problem, we don't fucking have one & ultimately haven't for some time.

If we don't get someone that can inspire/bully/cajole players we will continue to struggle.

The thing that frustrates is that it's fairly obvious that it's a problem but we haven't done anything to rectify it


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: THE FLASH on Sunday, March 12, 2017, 15:11:06
well Pauld is right, lack of unity. and a resignation things won't get better under Power from most.

Sack Williams and a proper manager replacing him seems very unlikely.

Then Power added Sherwood to the mix to further muddy the waters.

I'd credit Power with divide and conquer tactics, but i doubt he's that clever. imo he's a shrewd financial bully.

i do agree that Williams is now set up for the chop over the summer. have some sympathy though - we can all see that Gladwin and colkett have talent but aren't what you need in a relation fight. that dabo looks ok but nothing more. that feruz was a joke signing. that leaves you with Ince and Ajose as saviours in a squad that was relation bound. tools to stay up my arse, too little too late.

Here's one for the conspiracy theorists: wonder if Williams has a 'relagation' clause in his contact?

one things for sure, if the management stays the same next season after a relagation, the fan base will have the life sucked it of it before a ball is kicked

This for me..

I've never felt this low since we got demoted two divisions...I wore a younger man's clothes back then so I suppose my views are different now but nevertheless...

I told an Oxford fan in Marseilles in the summer that I feared relegation this season and I have little confidence in next....


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: RedRag on Sunday, March 12, 2017, 15:41:17
Power is responsible for this shit.... he needs to consider his position.  He either needs to start running the club properly or sell it.
This.  You say it like it is.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Sunday, March 12, 2017, 15:42:57
All season we've heard the "lacking mental strength " comment about this team.

Can't cope with the pressure or expectation when in front or behind, etc

The point is that this is the job of the MANAGER to sort out, and Theron lies the problem, we don't fucking have one & ultimately haven't for some time.

If we don't get someone that can inspire/bully/cajole players we will continue to struggle.

The thing that frustrates is that it's fairly obvious that it's a problem but we haven't done anything to rectify it
Williams and embleton lack the mental strength. That much is fucking obvious.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: flash on Thursday, March 16, 2017, 04:30:16
Power is responsible for this shit.... he needs to consider his position.  He either needs to start running the club properly or sell it.
I would quite happily buy the club if Power and I can agree on a satisfactory price.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 16, 2017, 09:29:13
I would quite happily buy the club if Power and I can agree on a satisfactory price.
Yes but a bag of magic seeds and a fun sized mars bar is way off the what he would want I would think ;) .


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 16, 2017, 10:50:01
Yes but a bag of magic seeds and a fun sized mars bar is way off the what he would want I would think ;) .
Sounds like you're going to have to up the offer to a Mars Duo flash?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, March 16, 2017, 11:40:06
Sounds like you're going to have to up the offer to a Mars Duo flash?
Spendthirft.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, March 16, 2017, 11:46:00
Yes but a bag of magic seeds and a fun sized mars bar is way off the what he would want I would think ;) .

Does anyone have any idea really what it would take for Power to walk away, less what he wants for his trouble as that's entirely up to him, more what it would take to pay back all the debts to him, plus does the money become payable to Black or is that just on ground development?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 16, 2017, 11:53:42
Spendthirft.
Fuck it, I'll throw in a Twix as well, I'm now in a bidding war with flash.


Title: HOW IS WILLIAMS STILL MANAGER
Post by: garystfcjeans on Thursday, March 16, 2017, 16:38:13
Can anyone tell me how Williams is still at the club as manager, Simple enough answer poor results etc etc etc


Title: Re: HOW IS WILLIAMS STILL MANAGER
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 16, 2017, 16:41:30
Because Lee Power owns the club and has not decided to get rid of him. That simple enough for you?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, March 16, 2017, 17:10:22
Power is playing chicken with Lansdown, first to blink over their manager situation owes the other £1.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: donkey on Thursday, March 16, 2017, 19:18:23
Fuck it, I'll throw in a Twix as well, I'm now in a bidding war with flash.

Flash only made an initial bid. You're now bidding against yourself...


Title: Re: HOW IS WILLIAMS STILL MANAGER
Post by: garystfcjeans on Thursday, March 16, 2017, 20:49:48
Because Lee Power owns the club and has not decided to get rid of him. That simple enough for you?

FUNNY Fxxxxr obviously your a fan of luke Williams and don't see what a sxxxe job hes doing


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, March 16, 2017, 20:53:32
I think your keyboard is broken.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Thursday, March 16, 2017, 20:57:55
FUNNY Fxxxxr obviously your a fan of luke Williams and don't see what a sxxxe job hes doing
Yeah, that's really obvious.


Title: Re: HOW IS WILLIAMS STILL MANAGER
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, March 16, 2017, 21:28:09
FUNNY Fxxxxr obviously your a fan of luke Williams and don't see what a sxxxe job hes doing

Yay. You has good logic bro.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Tails on Thursday, March 16, 2017, 21:34:48
FUNNY Fxxxxr obviously your a fan of luke Williams and don't see what a sxxxe job hes doing

Oh dear


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Power to people on Friday, March 17, 2017, 14:33:55
I read parts of this article and couldn't help putting Williams name into some parts

http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/39297923


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: THATCHAMRED on Saturday, March 18, 2017, 18:04:34
Tonight is the night surely.......

There again maybe not.......


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, March 18, 2017, 18:05:27
Go for the sake of our sanity!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, March 18, 2017, 18:08:57
Williams won't get the sack before the end of the season.

I am starting to think that maybe Power is selling up in the summer and wants the new owners to shell out for Williams pay off!

Could be why he hasn't been sacked


Title: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 18, 2017, 18:41:37
well I've said what i think- he believed in the tactics Tim/Williams dream team turning it around.

turns out we played even worse under tactics than Williams, and the obvious needs to avoid relagation were either ignored or unaffordable.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, March 18, 2017, 18:56:44
Is he still fucking here?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: DV Canio on Saturday, March 18, 2017, 18:59:28
If we were going to change manager it had to be in late December, so the new gaffer had a window to change things. Exactly the same as our last relegation season with Wilson, we should have got rid of him in December, we didn't.
Any manager change now would just be a Paul Hart - fucking pointless and no chance of changing the outcome.

We are down, we might as well let that go on Williams CV then get rid and let a new man start fresh in the bottom division without being the one who 'took us down'


Title: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 18, 2017, 19:07:12
ooooh. i was looking forward to the oldest pro being player/caretaker manager.. branco!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Ells on Saturday, March 18, 2017, 19:33:17
If we were going to change manager it had to be in late December, so the new gaffer had a window to change things. Exactly the same as our last relegation season with Wilson, we should have got rid of him in December, we didn't.
Any manager change now would just be a Paul Hart - fucking pointless and no chance of changing the outcome.

We are down, we might as well let that go on Williams CV then get rid and let a new man start fresh in the bottom division without being the one who 'took us down'

I agree with you again, Christ..

The Paul hart analogy is a good one, for all the talk about Williams leaving hardly anyone has come up with a (credible) suggestion for a replacement. Seems it'll just be a different person for people to swear at IMO.

ooooh. i was looking forward to the oldest pro being player/caretaker manager.. branco!

I quite like the idea of a squad rotation, winner stays on. Can't be any more farcical?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, March 18, 2017, 19:46:29
I still don't get how he can continue when even he must know how shit he is at his job, either that or he really is completely deluded.

It's clear now that he won't quit I'm assuming for financial reasons which is somewhatunderstandable but I do wish he would stop with all the bollocks about how much he cares about the club and how hard he is trying. If he really cared he would have admitted he wasn't the right man for the job and stepped aside but there is no sign of that happening. If he genuinely does believe he is the right person for the job then I really do fear for his sanity.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, March 18, 2017, 19:57:22
Maybe Power is convinced Williams is good and wants to stick with him in the hope he'll come good, in the same way with the players. Give them enough exposure, overlook the shit and fingers crossed all will come good.
I wouldn't bet against Power, Embleton and Power being here next season. I also wouldn't bet against us trying to keep some of the shit players out of contract and write this season off as a learning exercise for all.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Ells on Saturday, March 18, 2017, 19:57:39
Sorry but are people here really saying if they had a cushy contract that suited them and their loved ones financially they would walk away from it on principle if they weren't performing well enough? Just for the good of the company?

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Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Johnny Reeves on Saturday, March 18, 2017, 20:07:43
I wouldn't


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 18, 2017, 20:17:05
nope. don't blame Williams in that way whatsoever.

he's doing his best, it's just not good enough


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: DV Canio on Saturday, March 18, 2017, 21:17:44
I agree with you again, Christ..

The Paul hart analogy is a good one, for all the talk about Williams leaving hardly anyone has come up with a (credible) suggestion for a replacement. Seems it'll just be a different person for people to swear at IMO.

I quite like the idea of a squad rotation, winner stays on. Can't be any more farcical?

I don't know why you sound so surprised.
I've always talked the most sense on the TEF.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, March 18, 2017, 21:43:00
Sorry but are people here really saying if they had a cushy contract that suited them and their loved ones financially they would walk away from it on principle if they weren't performing well enough? Just for the good of the company?

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/014/859/BS.jpg)


Football is a bit different to normal industries isn't it, there aren't many where you will get the level of exposure as you do in football. I wouldn't be able to just sit there knowing I was hated and just let endless levels of abuse pass me by as it's really going to build now we are as good as down. It will take its toll eventually and he needs to balance leaving with some dignity or tarnishing his name to the extent he'all struggle to get another job at a decent level ever again.  The longer he struggles the more it will look to potential employers that his early success here was just luck...

He would probably get a pay out anyway as he could in all likelihood claim constructive dismissal already based on the level of interence from above that there has been.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Saturday, March 18, 2017, 21:56:24
Football is a bit different to normal industries isn't it, there aren't many where you will get the level of exposure as you do in football. I wouldn't be able to just sit there knowing I was hated and just let endless levels of abuse pass me by as it's really going to build now we are as good as down. It will take its toll eventually and he needs to balance leaving with some dignity or tarnishing his name to the extent he'all struggle to get another job at a decent level ever again.  The longer he struggles the more it will look to potential employers that his early success here was just luck...

He would probably get a pay out anyway as he could in all likelihood claim constructive dismissal already based on the level of interference from above that there has been.

Not sure about that. Divine intervention is probably the only thing that can save us now.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: ghanimah on Saturday, March 18, 2017, 22:09:50

He would probably get a pay out anyway as he could in all likelihood claim constructive dismissal already based on the level of interence from above that there has been.


He would need to be here for two years for that, unless it fulfills one of the exceptional circumstances for a claim in under two years, which I don't think Williams does.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: theakston2k on Saturday, March 18, 2017, 23:01:08
He would need to be here for two years for that, unless it fulfills one of the exceptional circumstances for a claim in under two years, which I don't think Williams does.
Been an employee of the club for 4 years so don't think that would be an issue...


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Sunday, March 19, 2017, 10:36:42
Somebody on here recently mentioned (think it may have been Paul D) that the 5 year contract didn't start when LW was manager but when he was 1st appointed as a coach. If this is the case then he may well only have just over a year left shich shouldn't be too expensive to pay up if necessary. Does anybody actually know when LW's employment with the club began?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 19, 2017, 11:14:08
announced fri 2nd August 2013

http://mobile.swindontownfc.co.uk//news/article/coachingadditions-962917.aspx


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 19, 2017, 11:16:34
Quote from: Batch
announced fri 2nd August 2013

http://mobile.swindontownfc.co.uk//news/article/coachingadditions-962917.aspx (http://mobile.swindontownfc.co.uk//news/article/coachingadditions-962917.aspx)

adver reported it as a new 5 year deal, based on what i don't know

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/14331985.Williams_appointed_Swindon_Town_head_coach/


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Sunday, March 19, 2017, 11:31:47
Conflicting information then. Based on the only 'credible' source we have he's here for another 4 years!!!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Hitchcock on Sunday, March 19, 2017, 14:28:38
How long can this go on for though?  If LW has a lengthy contract term left then Power needs to either come clean that he's here until that expires or he needs to bite the bullet and sack him.  It's too late now either way this season - we're down but whilst I've nothing personally against LW - he's not going to lead us to promotion next season and I fear for us if he stays.

BTW - where is the saviour Sherwood?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Sunday, March 19, 2017, 14:37:13
There are many things that piss me off this season but the involvement of that cunt Sherwood pisses me off most. Williams embleton aren't cunts. They're fucking useless and completely out of their depth. The players aren't cunts, most are fucking useless and out of their depth. Sherwood though is a total cunt. Can't be fucking arsed to turn up v  scum and no fucking apology for not doing so. Then we do the hokey cokey over his role. He is a total bottling cunt. The good news is that making his announcement so public and making it look like he was too good for us, will hopefully backfire on the shitcunt and make it extremely difficult to get another job in football. Arrogant bottling horrible shitcunt.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 19, 2017, 14:54:43
^^^^^^^ hard to disagree.

Although the mitigating view is power blocked his attempts to bring in experienced players, hence string back. If that was the case then I'd surrender him from cunt to pointless distraction


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: woolster on Sunday, March 19, 2017, 16:49:31
There are many things that piss me off this season but the involvement of that cunt Sherwood pisses me off most. Williams embleton aren't cunts. They're fucking useless and completely out of their depth. The players aren't cunts, most are fucking useless and out of their depth. Sherwood though is a total cunt. Can't be fucking arsed to turn up v  scum and no fucking apology for not doing so. Then we do the hokey cokey over his role. He is a total bottling cunt. The good news is that making his announcement so public and making it look like he was too good for us, will hopefully backfire on the shitcunt and make it extremely difficult to get another job in football. Arrogant bottling horrible shitcunt.
I take it Tims no longer on your Christmas card list John :)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Sunday, March 19, 2017, 16:59:37
Alright Gary, nobodys on my Christmas list but what is the point of a Sherwood. I take your point batch but power made it very clear the Jan signings were Sherwood's. If they weren't then Sherwood should say so but why the fuck would our dof want to talk to us mere stupid fans who should be grateful he's here.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, March 19, 2017, 17:04:49
^^^^^^^ hard to disagree.

Although the mitigating view is power blocked his attempts to bring in experienced players, hence string back. If that was the case then I'd surrender him from cunt to pointless distraction
First time I've heard that Batch, where have you heard that mate?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Sunday, March 19, 2017, 17:09:28
First time I've heard that Batch, where have you heard that mate?
I think Batch is entertaining a possible scenario rather than stating a fact. Or am I wrong Batch?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Sunday, March 19, 2017, 17:43:45
adver reported it as a new 5 year deal, based on what i don't know

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/14331985.Williams_appointed_Swindon_Town_head_coach/

In a statement released on Swindon’s official website, chairman Lee Power expressed his delight at tying down “the best coach I’ve come across in 25 years of football” and expects Williams to play a key role in realising his ambition of a “debt-free football club in the Championship”.

Hmmm, now  I know people's aims change etc but if Power is still aiming for this at only 1 year on then I struggle to see how he would be content with L2 sustainability/Conference Big boys...


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, March 19, 2017, 18:29:38
Alright Gary, nobodys on my Christmas list but what is the point of a Sherwood. I take your point batch but power made it very clear the Jan signings were Sherwood's. If they weren't then Sherwood should say so but why the fuck would our dof want to talk to us mere stupid fans who should be grateful he's here.

This may sound utterly ridiculous but I think the players we brought in January on paper are good, for a team towards the top of the table playing with freedom and confidence. Ajose and Ince are class signings but Colkett and Gladwin are utterly pointless in our side. Dabo I suppose I'll give the benefit of the doubt and the signing may have worked under someone who has a clue what they are doing but it's evident that we as a football club are an utter Titus Brambles currently.

Let's hope MANY lessons have been learnt this season, player recruitment, style of play etc in the bottom league will need to be MUCH better.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, March 19, 2017, 18:41:59
Let's hope MANY lessons have been learnt this season, player recruitment, style of play etc in the bottom league will need to be MUCH better.

As far as I know this is our squad list for next season.  Conor Thomas, James Brophy, Dion Conroy, John Goddard, Jesse Starkey, Luke Norris.  That lot is going to need some very significant strengthening just to stay in Div 4.

This assumes Vigs will be flogged....in order to fund some players for Wate us


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, March 19, 2017, 19:02:33
As far as I know this is our squad list for next season.  Conor Thomas, James Brophy, Dion Conroy, John Goddard, Jesse Starkey, Luke Norris.  That lot is going to need some very significant strengthening just to stay in Div 4.

This assumes Vigs will be flogged....in order to fund some players for Wate us

And Twine Ouldridge and Simpson. Think that's a striker, defender and midfielder?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, March 19, 2017, 19:25:38
And Twine Ouldridge and Simpson. Think that's a striker, defender and midfielder?

I'd be very surprised if any of these lads is anywhere near Div 4 man's standard football yet... Waterford loans maybe.


Title: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 19, 2017, 19:36:56
re Sherwood/power blocking signings - you are right, it's just something that was put to me when discussing the point on Twitter earlier.

there is no evidence at all, purely speculative.

i came to the conclusion Sherwood is at best pointless, at worse hopeless


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 19, 2017, 19:55:09
This may sound utterly ridiculous but I think the players we brought in January on paper are good, for a team towards the top of the table playing with freedom and confidence. Ajose and Ince are class signings but Colkett and Gladwin are utterly pointless in our side. Dabo I suppose I'll give the benefit of the doubt and the signing may have worked under someone who has a clue what they are doing but it's evident that we as a football club are an utter Titus Brambles currently.

Let's hope MANY lessons have been learnt this season, player recruitment, style of play etc in the bottom league will need to be MUCH better.

Nope, not ridiculous at all. In a year or two colkett in a good team may be a real assert.

I've lost all patience with Gladwin. Overplays with the ball, just ambles through games.

Ince and ajose, you've covered.

But the stupid madness of feruz. And the 'for the future'/risk  signings of Starkey,  Conroy and looking at that Chelsea kid we can't sign yet.

What the fuck were they thinking. The one and only aim jan->may should be to avoid relagation, and fuck everything else. We needed older heads and a few run through brick walls types. It's so fucking obvious my 8 year old can see it.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: joteddyred on Monday, March 20, 2017, 11:55:35
He's still here then? I was clinging to the hope we might have a Monday statement.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 20, 2017, 12:52:04
He's still here then? I was clinging to the hope we might have a Monday statement.

I'm now convinced Luke and Embers will be here for next season.

Had Power wanted to change the model, then he could have easily and appointed someone like a Sheridan at Oldham or a Clark at Bury.... but what would be the point from his perspective?  They would just play Div 3 relegation grind football, and insist on getting in some experience to make it happen.

Power showed in the window with the likes of Conroy, Feruz, Colkett, Dabo and Starkey that it will be more of the same next season. The budget will no doubt be reduced to take into account lost revenues from going down, so we'll be looking at the large pool of unattached player in July.... no doubt more like the lad who was signed to play in the Boycott Trophy, who's name escapes me.

All we can hope is that miraculously Luke may have learned something from this car crash of a season, that can keep us in Div 4 at least.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: kaufman on Monday, March 20, 2017, 13:15:05
Don't expect Dabo back here. Heard from someone at the club he's on 19K a week at Chelsea


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: herthab on Monday, March 20, 2017, 13:22:33
I think There's a relegation clause in Williams contract. That's the only reason I can think of as to why Power hasn't binned him.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 20, 2017, 13:24:13
Don't expect Dabo back here. Heard from someone at the club he's on 19K a week at Chelsea
If true this shd be in the "What's Wrong with Football" section - that's the thick end of £1m a year. For what?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: tans on Monday, March 20, 2017, 13:29:52
I think thats Feruz who is on that much


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 20, 2017, 13:41:29
If true this shd be in the "What's Wrong with Football" section - that's the thick end of £1m a year. For what?

It's the going rate for a promising kid at a top end Prem club.  Remember when we had Frank Nouble.... few years ago now he was on 16K a week at WHU. I believe Dabo is well thought of insofar as he's athletic....which is the main criteria in English football these days, but doesn't seem to have much idea of how the game is played. This is a common problem with these kids and their clubs hope they may learn something during their loans. Frank apparently still only 25 at Sarfend.

Delf this season was a classic example...more or less completely clueless.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, March 20, 2017, 13:43:04
Power aint going to get rid of Williams this side of Saturday as he will want his bleloved Millwall to win.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 20, 2017, 13:43:56
It's the going rate for a promising kid at a top end Prem club.
Oh, I know. That's why it should be in "What's wrong with football", because it's systemic rather than an aberration


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 20, 2017, 13:44:02
I think thats Feruz who is on that much

I'd imagine if Feruz is out of contract Power will sign him....as it's fairly certain no-one else will.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Power to people on Monday, March 20, 2017, 14:02:37
re Sherwood/power blocking signings - you are right, it's just something that was put to me when discussing the point on Twitter earlier.

there is no evidence at all, purely speculative.

i came to the conclusion Sherwood is at best pointless, at worse hopeless

Didn't Power state in an interview somewhere that Sherwood signed all these players in Jan, wasn't it the same statement where he said that the players they bought previous were not up to it but they have now given Williams the right tools for the job.

Do we need to excerpt more pressure Sat as I'm sure Power will be there to watch his beloved Millwall, so we can leave Power with the opinion of what fans think he should be doing


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 20, 2017, 14:17:50
Didn't Power state in an interview somewhere that Sherwood signed all these players in Jan, wasn't it the same statement where he said that the players they bought previous were not up to it but they have now given Williams the right tools for the job.

Do we need to excerpt more pressure Sat as I'm sure Power will be there to watch his beloved Millwall, so we can leave Power with the opinion of what fans think he should be doing

I'd imagine many will be finding something better to do on Saturday. I'm not sure we've ever lost more than 9 home games in a season in Div 3, but not really the sort of history most punters want to witness.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: ronnie21 on Monday, March 20, 2017, 14:18:05
Do we need to excerpt more pressure Sat as I'm sure Power will be there to watch his beloved Millwall, so we can leave Power with the opinion of what fans think he should be doing
That group of lads in the TE tried to exert some pressure - only caused the stewards to rush in and quell the uprising by taking their banner!!!  pmsl


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Audrey's Bellend on Monday, March 20, 2017, 14:25:45
Can't see why there's any surprise in Power carrying on with his 'way' in L2 when it's only a few weeks ago he came out and stated he wasn't changing anything.

The Williams situation is more debatable. The pool of compliant replacements must be tiny.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 20, 2017, 14:41:54
Didn't Power state in an interview somewhere that Sherwood signed all these players in Jan, wasn't it the same statement where he said that the players they bought previous were not up to it but they have now given Williams the right tools for the job.

http://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/chairman-addresses-current-situation-at-stfc-3573390.aspx

Remember next season, he only said he was confident we'd do better if we stayed up :)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Monday, March 20, 2017, 15:29:52
Apparently he's carrying on till the bitter end, I believe him. The end will be bitter.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 20, 2017, 16:01:18
http://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/article/2016-17/chairman-addresses-current-situation-at-stfc-3573390.aspx

Remember next season, he only said he was confident we'd do better if we stayed up :)

That is an honest appraisal.... in Div 4 we won't be able to loan the same standard of player... plus the reputation for players improving has been well and truly fucked.  So we'll be left with the bargain bin... the likes of Feruz, and some sub Conference non leaguers like Harry Agombar.

I'm probably alone on this but I rather hope we've an option on Branco, as he could be OK in Div 4.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Power to people on Monday, March 20, 2017, 16:57:16
I dont think I have seen or spoken to anyone that is confident under Powers current plans with only buying youngsters to sell on that we will have any chance of a quick return from L2.

It is concerning though that he is leaving Williams in the job for this long.

Does anyone know the difference in the FL pot, and type of advertising / sponsorship for L2 does it reduce in price or does income stay similar ? obviously matchday income will reduce with less walk up fans and smaller gates.

Wondered how L1 compares to L2


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Riddick on Monday, March 20, 2017, 17:10:08
I'm probably alone on this but I rather hope we've an option on Branco, as he could be OK in Div 4.

I believe we had trouble getting Branco to sign the last contract as he thought he could do better than us. Perfectly happy for him to piss off myself but i guess after his shit season there will be very few takers so we may be stuck with him.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Tails on Monday, March 20, 2017, 17:17:31
Branco could be alright in L2. Norris I think would do an alright job at that level too


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Honest Lee on Monday, March 20, 2017, 17:28:17

Something to look forward to then.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 20, 2017, 17:28:19
agreed, but you can't rely on him as the main man for goals


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 20, 2017, 17:33:21
Branco could be alright in L2. Norris I think would do an alright job at that level too

Centre halves improve with age and we'll need a bit of physical presence.

In Div 4 you get the likes of Akinfenwa and Rhead, they'll make mincemeat out of te bits of kids we tend to recruit.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, March 20, 2017, 17:33:47
Branco will never be alright anywhere. He cannot defend. It's that simple. He's woeful.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 20, 2017, 17:56:39
Branco will never be alright anywhere. He cannot defend. It's that simple. He's woeful.

These things are all relative... right now you can probably count the number of good central defenders at the highest level on one hand. We're talking Div 4 here, for a club with a diminished wage bill.... I know Branco isn't great, but we have to realistic.

As bizarre as it sounds, again relatively speaking te defending hasn't been the primary issue this year....it's up front that has been the deciding factor. We're looking at our lowest ever leading goalscorer, unless there's a big change over the last 7 games.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Riddick on Monday, March 20, 2017, 18:03:30
Its true Bristol Rovers in 8th have conceded only one less goal than we have (they are a bit of an exception).

The problem has been creating and scoring goals. An area where previously we had good quality loan players etc. I suspect Goddard will have a very good year in league 2.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, March 20, 2017, 18:06:19
These things are all relative... right now you can probably count the number of good central defenders at the highest level on one hand. We're talking Div 4 here, for a club with a diminished wage bill.... I know Branco isn't great, but we have to realistic.

As bizarre as it sounds, again relatively speaking te defending hasn't been the primary issue this year....it's up front that has been the deciding factor. We're looking at our lowest ever leading goalscorer, unless there's a big change over the last 7 games.

Let's agree to disagree. There are far more competent defenders two levels below us.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 20, 2017, 18:09:15
Its true Bristol Rovers in 8th have conceded only one less goal than we have (they are a bit of an exception).

The problem has been creating and scoring goals. An area where previously we had good quality loan players etc. I suspect Goddard will have a very good year in league 2.

Re: Goddard obviously he did OK in the Conference, but Div 3 a step too high for him. It's not inconceivable he'll be OK in Div 4.



Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Bathtime on Monday, March 20, 2017, 18:15:30
The problem has been in the striking department - it has been as bad as I can remember for many years - truly, truly dreadful - we are down and to be honest the strikers all need to be replaced even for L2 - Williams is on a ridiculously long contract that Power won`t want to pay up. No one said it would be easy supporting Swindon - they were right....the end can`t come quick enough imo.
 :blowup:


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: tans on Monday, March 20, 2017, 18:55:00
Sherwoods rant:

http://www.totalswindon.com/sport/extent-of-swindon-towns-director-of-football-tim-sherwoods-bury-rant-revealed/#.WNAFCTuLS00

Bit rich calling someone else a 'fucking mug' isnt it? Pot kettle and all that


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 20, 2017, 19:00:36
Sherwoods rant:

http://www.totalswindon.com/sport/extent-of-swindon-towns-director-of-football-tim-sherwoods-bury-rant-revealed/#.WNAFCTuLS00

Bit rich calling someone else a 'fucking mug' isnt it? Pot kettle and all that

He was right though that banishing him from having to watch was "doing him a favour"



Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, March 20, 2017, 19:08:01
Sherwoods rant:

http://www.totalswindon.com/sport/extent-of-swindon-towns-director-of-football-tim-sherwoods-bury-rant-revealed/#.WNAFCTuLS00

Bit rich calling someone else a 'fucking mug' isnt it? Pot kettle and all that
[/quoteThe ex-Tottenham manager was given a two-game touchline ban for his actions, two games Swindon won, as well as a £2,000 fine by the Football Assosciation.

So lets get the fucker banned for every game !!!!!!.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, March 20, 2017, 19:25:48
Two new bits of information here. First of all it can speak albeit not to the fans of the club he is director of football at. Second, it knows its way to the dressing room. It also appears to have a very limited range of abuse.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Nemo on Monday, March 20, 2017, 19:33:29
I am almost pleased that Tim Sherwood turns out to be exactly the kind of guy we all thought he was.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: @mwooly63 on Monday, March 20, 2017, 19:41:03
I dont think I have seen or spoken to anyone that is confident under Powers current plans with only buying youngsters to sell on that we will have any chance of a quick return from L2.

It is concerning though that he is leaving Williams in the job for this long.

Does anyone know the difference in the FL pot, and type of advertising / sponsorship for L2 does it reduce in price or does income stay similar ? obviously matchday income will reduce with less walk up fans and smaller gates.

Wondered how L1 compares to L2

Heard from a mate that Imagine Cruising have a relegation get out clause so they will be ending this term.
Any new sponsor will be at lg 2 rates, lower ,  I guess


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 20, 2017, 19:58:23
Heard from a mate that Imagine Cruising have a relegation get out clause so they will be ending this term.
Any new sponsor will be at lg 2 rates, lower ,  I guess

May as well just cross out 'cruising' and replace it with 'losing'. Although it won't take much imagination based on this season.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: leftside on Monday, March 20, 2017, 20:04:17
May as well just cross out 'cruising' and replace it with 'losing'. Although it won't take much imagination based on this season.
'Imagine Winning' would be more apt.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Monday, March 20, 2017, 20:34:13
Heard from a mate that Imagine Cruising have a relegation get out clause so they will be ending this term.
Any new sponsor will be at lg 2 rates, lower ,  I guess
nah not true but could see them just walking away TBH. As for league 2 rates the club wish, believe me what they ended up having to accept last year was very very low.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 20, 2017, 20:35:57
'Imagine Winning' would be more apt.

Haha. Indeed!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Nemo on Monday, March 20, 2017, 20:49:49
Apparently Sherwood was on BeIn Sports (the Keys and Gray vehicle) at the weekend and asked if Steve Bruce would do a worse job than Antonio Conte at Chelsea. What a fucking mug.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 20, 2017, 21:06:54
Quote from: leftside
'Imagine Winning' would be more apt.


I've had some bloody weird dreams, being a strawberry, passing my driving while being watched over by my well fit guardian angel (I'm not religious), getting the shit beaten out of me by mike tyson for 12 rounds but not going down, etc, etc.

But this takes the piss.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, March 20, 2017, 21:24:33
nah not true but could see them just walking away TBH. As for league 2 rates the club wish, believe me what they ended up having to accept last year was very very low.

But power is a tight fuck and should be spending loads...


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Sippo on Monday, March 20, 2017, 22:37:41
Has a referees report ever come to light before? Could this be fake?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Monday, March 20, 2017, 23:16:17
Has a referees report ever come to light before?
Yes

Could this be fake?
Yes

Is it fake?

It is being widely reported in the national press without any comment from the club so I find it highly unlikely that it is fake.

In comparison to John Sheridan's abuse earlier this season this is really quite mild....


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, March 20, 2017, 23:17:20

I've had some bloody weird dreams, being a strawberry, passing my driving while being watched over by my well fit guardian angel (I'm not religious), getting the shit beaten out of me by mike tyson for 12 rounds but not going down, etc, etc.

But this takes the piss.
A strawberry?

I want to hear more


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 20, 2017, 23:38:44
nothing much to tell, just a happy 🍓 sitting in a field, soaking up the sun without a care in the world


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, March 20, 2017, 23:47:32
Awesome. Reminds me of this album cover

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51RRlvU75lL.jpg)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, March 21, 2017, 01:54:54
nothing much to tell, just a happy 🍓 sitting in a field, soaking up the sun without a care in the world

Strawberry Fields for ever....  :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqlE1nE-0Tk


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, March 21, 2017, 19:51:37
He's obviously not going before the end of the season, and frankly now there doesn't seem much point as I think we are beyond a miracle.

The biggest concern is that we don't get rid at the end of the season


Title: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 21, 2017, 19:56:49
i think you speak for 99.9% of us there Posh.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: nigel grays a postie on Tuesday, March 21, 2017, 21:10:01
Only possible reason he not yet gone is so he can cop some of the flak that otherwise would all be coming the way of El Supremo and his best mate Tactics Tim


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, March 21, 2017, 21:21:20
He's obviously not going before the end of the season, and frankly now there doesn't seem much point as I think we are beyond a miracle.

The biggest concern is that we don't get rid at the end of the season

For me the biggest concern is that like the last 2 seasons the recruitment is rubbish.

In that sense it matters little who is the boss for next year...if the coach gets lumbered with too many kids and non league players, with insufficient experience around them, we'll struggle again.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Chrystovski on Thursday, March 23, 2017, 09:44:33
'You fucking mug!'  :girlgiggle:

How very cockney

Maybe it was actually aimed at Power for his 'biggest appointment in STFC's history' comment.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Saturday, March 25, 2017, 10:22:32

“Luke Williams will definitely have gained from it. Everyone has a lot of faith in the manager — he’s a very good technical coach who knows the game better than anyone I’ve ever met.

“He has lots of great ideas and has tried to put them into the season."

Quote taken from an article in The Sun today.
Still not heard anyone on the playing side, current or former, have a bad word to say about him.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/3172949/swindon-have-the-youngest-team-in-the-top-4-divisions-and-striker-luke-norris-admits-their-inexperience-can-prove-costly/




Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Audrey's Bellend on Saturday, March 25, 2017, 10:38:52
If that's the case then the problem isn't coaching it's management and setting up a game plan that the players can carry out.

Backs up what most of us think - leave Luke (and his 5 year contract) on the training pitch and leave the rest to a proper manager.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, March 28, 2017, 13:14:50
I would genuinely love to hear from someone like a Dave Bassett or Harry Redknapp type of old school manager that has looked at the squad, looked at the coaching, looked at how the team is being managed and say I see the problems here are x, y & z and they need to do this type of thing to change things, it would certainly make an interesting read if nothing else.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Barry Scott on Tuesday, March 28, 2017, 13:26:57
The reason why all the players like him, I think, is because they don't do much fitness work. Doesn't matter how good a coach everyone seems to say he is, anyone who has a team as unfit as ours, and showing results like ours, surely can't be.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, March 29, 2017, 12:53:19
The reason why all the players like him, I think, is because they don't do much fitness work. Doesn't matter how good a coach everyone seems to say he is, anyone who has a team as unfit as ours, and showing results like ours, surely can't be.

If he was that good a coach there would be other teams interested in his services, and it seems there cant be with him still here and not moved to bigger and better club


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, April 22, 2017, 19:46:35
Is he still fucking here?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 22, 2017, 19:48:57
er, yeah, but don't worry because power is doing a root and branches review to see if things need changing...


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, April 22, 2017, 19:49:20
The man has pashun and ambishun. He's here to stay.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, April 22, 2017, 19:50:14
PASSSHHHHHUUUUURN!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Saturday, April 22, 2017, 20:12:06
For sure


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: bathford on Saturday, April 22, 2017, 22:53:25
We go again next season.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Johnny Reeves on Saturday, April 22, 2017, 23:11:36
He is a pawn,who else would do the job under the current dictatorship?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, April 23, 2017, 14:22:22
I read into this hints that Williams will be gone: http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/15240501.Swindon_Town_chairman_counts_cost_of_relegation/

I do fucking hope so.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, April 23, 2017, 14:31:06
I read into this hints that Williams will be gone: http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/15240501.Swindon_Town_chairman_counts_cost_of_relegation/

I do fucking hope so.

Cynical 'yes man' digs aside, I'll be fascinated to find out who'll replace him. I'm still thinking someone along the lines of Adi Viveash.



Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, April 23, 2017, 14:39:41
Alan Mcloughlin?

I don't buy into the rumours that STFC managers will have to work under some kind of dictatorship under Power. Ling had plenty of good things to say about Power and said it's nothing like what some suggest. Some might say 'he would say that', but for me it holds more value than something some bloke said on the internet.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, April 23, 2017, 14:46:36
Alan Mcloughlin?

I don't buy into the rumours that STFC managers will have to work under some kind of dictatorship under Power. Ling had plenty of good things to say about Power and said it's nothing like what some suggest. Some might say 'he would say that', but for me it holds more value than something some bloke said on the internet.

2 of Lingy's previous clubs managed. Orient, just heading for the Conference, Torquay just about hanging on by a thread in the Conference. Coincidence  :hmmm:

Seems to me that Power's reaction to losing a mill will be to trim budgets accordingly, therefore I'd say it means Luke is more likely to be kept.

Alan Mac is a youth coach, and should stay there. Dave Hockaday is the sort of realistic cheap option that maybe could provide some nous.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, April 23, 2017, 14:48:56
probably reg, yes


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Panda Paws on Sunday, April 23, 2017, 15:49:46
Cynical 'yes man' digs aside, I'll be fascinated to find out who'll replace him. I'm still thinking someone along the lines of Adi Viveash.



Viveash is a great option but he's got a pretty good gig at Chelsea. Still, the lure of senior management?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: DV Canio on Sunday, April 23, 2017, 15:51:49
Couldn't afford.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, April 23, 2017, 16:01:05
Alan Mcloughlin?

I don't buy into the rumours that STFC managers will have to work under some kind of dictatorship under Power. Ling had plenty of good things to say about Power and said it's nothing like what some suggest. Some might say 'he would say that', but for me it holds more value than something some bloke said on the internet.

What's even funnier is on the FB group, is that the few keep saying no manager would come to STFC as they wouldn't want to work under Power. Who in their right mind would turn down a job paying a minimum £100k a year when they are unemployed? Unless you're Jose Mourinho with millions in your bank, the majority of managers can't be picky about who they work for.

My view is that last season and maybe under Cooper's tenure Power controlled large parts of the club as he was always there but since Sherwood came in, he seems to have taken a back step and given more control to Williams / Sherwood e.g. Williams now tries lots of variations of the formations, before we were pretty static and always played the same way.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, April 23, 2017, 16:10:12
We have a proud history of giving untried managers who have had decent playing careers.

Macari, Ardiles, Hoddle, McMahon, Di Canio.

Perhaps John Terry fancies a shot of management?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, April 23, 2017, 16:11:08
If its anyone I feel it will be Chris Ramsey who is currently still employed with QPR as head of the academy there.

Knows Power and Sherwood, has worked at QPR and Spurs at academy, youth and U23 level, ex England U20 coach, would be relatively cheap and knows Swindon football club well.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, April 23, 2017, 16:15:44
We have a proud history of giving untried managers who have had decent playing careers.

Macari, Ardiles, Hoddle, McMahon, Di Canio.

Perhaps John Terry fancies a shot of management?

5/10 years ago I would have agreed (Poyet, Wise etc) but not now as Terry will be offered huge amounts of money to keep playing in the US, middle east or China. Will keep playing for a season or two imho.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, April 23, 2017, 16:17:54
5/10 years ago I would have agreed (Poyet, Wise etc) but not now as Terry will be offered huge amounts of money to keep playing in the US, middle east or China. Will keep playing for a season or two imho.

It was clearly a tongue in cheek suggestion. More likely to be Paul Terry!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, April 23, 2017, 16:19:15
When does Gareth Barry's contract with Everton end? Isn't he mates with Power?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, April 23, 2017, 16:19:32
Alan McCormack has his badges. Let us honour that offer the previous regime gave him of future employment as a coach.....


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, April 23, 2017, 16:22:56
It was clearly a tongue in cheek suggestion. More likely to be Paul Terry!

His name keeps coming up on the FB group and they are serious  ::)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, April 23, 2017, 16:30:42
His name keeps coming up on the FB group and they are serious  ::)

That's because most of the people there share the same brain cell!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: garethgillman on Sunday, April 23, 2017, 16:49:51
That's because most of the people there share the same brain cell!

Terry isn't a bad shout to be fair (ex-player) but too well known, need to think lower profile such as Paul Scholes who isn't playing anymore.

My shouts are Jimmy Floyd H and Shaun Derry, maybe Hockaday. Hockaday knows the club (like Ling), would be cheap and works a lot with "kids" through his football school and his role as head of football at a local college.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: pauld on Sunday, April 23, 2017, 22:07:35
Terry isn't a bad shout to be fair (ex-player) but too well known, need to think lower profile such as Paul Scholes who isn't playing anymore.
That obscure ex-player Paul Scholes? The one who won everything at club level and drove one of the most famous English teams in decades? That unknown we could pluck from obscurity to make a name for himself at Swindon?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, April 24, 2017, 00:25:15
Scott Parker as player manager.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Riddick on Monday, April 24, 2017, 09:19:11
If its anyone I feel it will be Chris Ramsey who is currently still employed with QPR as head of the academy there.

Knows Power and Sherwood, has worked at QPR and Spurs at academy, youth and U23 level, ex England U20 coach, would be relatively cheap and knows Swindon football club well.

Ramsey is the name in my head as well for who will replace Williams. Ex player, has all the links with Power/Sherwood, had a dodgy spell at QPR so will have to drop down divisions to get a job again.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: hefty toe on Monday, April 24, 2017, 09:30:13
Definitely wouldn't want Chris Ramsey. He was manager of QPR for a short period for getting sacked. QPR fans thoughts generally: good coach, bad manager rather like our current incumbent. I like the idea of giving the job to a managerial newcomer. I thought Sam Ricketts seemed management material when he was here.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, April 24, 2017, 09:34:44
Definitely wouldn't want Chris Ramsey. He was manager of QPR for a short period for getting sacked. QPR fans thoughts generally: good coach, bad manager rather like our current incumbent. I like the idea of giving the job to a managerial newcomer. I thought Sam Ricketts seemed management material when he was here.

You'd rather Sam Ricketts, a guy we had on loan for 4 months as we threw away our best chance of promotion in 15 years, than Chris Ramsey, a highly qualified and experienced coach/assistant manager at the level or two above ours?



Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: hefty toe on Monday, April 24, 2017, 09:45:49
Yes.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, April 24, 2017, 09:52:36
Yes.

Fair enough, I guess.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Family at War on Monday, April 24, 2017, 09:57:32
I like Kenny Jackett - good manager but unlikely to join under Power


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: hefty toe on Monday, April 24, 2017, 10:04:26
Kenny Jackett is probably the best experienced lower league manager currently unemployed. He'd probably get us out of L2 straightaway. Can't see him coming, though.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, April 24, 2017, 10:45:17
I said Jackett a while back, on no more evidence than he must know Sherwood from their shared time at Watford.  However he might not hold TT in the highest regard for all I know.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, April 24, 2017, 10:47:32
Would be more than happy with jackett


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, April 24, 2017, 11:12:29
Scott Parker.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, April 24, 2017, 11:27:45
Scott Parker.

Power would prefer Aloysius Parker.....

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/01/Parker_Thunderbirds.png)

Puppet required.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Chrystovski on Monday, April 24, 2017, 11:42:40
I'd go for Martin Allen. At least he'd put a bit of fight into the team even if the Football is shite (nothing new there)

I'd like Kenny Jackett but think it's an unrealistic appointment.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: MichaelPook on Monday, April 24, 2017, 12:30:28
Tisdale for me


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Stevens on Monday, April 24, 2017, 12:37:31
I would like Luke Williams to stay.

Didn't before relegation, he has learnt a lot this season on how not to run a football team.
Hopefully with this experience he will know how to sort out the little darlings in the changing room.
If he was going to go surely the sack would have been this morning.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Costanza on Monday, April 24, 2017, 12:37:45
Tisdale for me

In 2007 Tisdale didn't leave Exeter for Swindon
In 2008 Tisdale didn't leave Exeter for Swindon
In 2009 Tisdale didn't leave Exeter for Swindon
In 2010 Tisdale didn't leave Exeter for Swindon
In 2011 Tisdale didn't leave Exeter for Swindon
In 2012 Tisdale didn't leave Exeter for Swindon
In 2013 Tisdale didn't leave Exeter for Swindon
In 2014 Tisdale didn't leave Exeter for Swindon
In 2015 Tisdale didn't leave Exeter for Swindon
In 2016 Tisdale didn't leave Exeter for Swindon
In 2017.........


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, April 24, 2017, 12:42:52
Kenny Jackett wont come, he will want too much in wages, I wouldnt have Martin Allen anywhere at this club, even over Williams, JFH would also want too much in wages and also want to bring in his own backroom staff, Tisdale has a poor record at Exeter overall and Exeter would want compensation so unless he is sacked by them he won't be coming.

Also Exeters board still hate Swindon for the handing of the Troy AH transfer and have not fogotten that...even if it was a few owners ago.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Monday, April 24, 2017, 13:04:04
I put it in the Town v Scunny thread...

Williams back to head coach and....I'd like Chris Powell (it won't happen)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Simon Pieman on Monday, April 24, 2017, 13:10:29
Even if Tisdale was out of work, the chances of him managing another football league team, especially one with such a messed up structure such as ours is practically nil.

He's even said his next role will be in business and it will probably be in Ted Baker I'd imagine.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 24, 2017, 13:23:38
I would like Luke Williams to stay.

Didn't before relegation, he has learnt a lot this season on how not to run a football team.
Hopefully with this experience he will know how to sort out the little darlings in the changing room.
If he was going to go surely the sack would have been this morning.

Why would he sack him before the last game of the season now that it is over with?  He might as well leave him in charge to cover the last game and then arrange a meeting with him next Monday morning..


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Power to people on Monday, April 24, 2017, 13:30:25
I'm, not sure I'd like to see us take a risk with an untried, but equally some managers go and become No 2's and learn the trade get experience before becoming managers in their own right so I'm sure there are a few out there waiting for the opportunity.

I don't want Williams anywhere near this club next season, we need a clean sweep not a constant reminder, if he's that good a coach then he wont have a problem getting another coaching role.



Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: bilko on Monday, April 24, 2017, 13:37:49
Power needs to make a decent appointment as Manager as he we did Di Canio a big name and we had bigger crowds then than this season so if Power gets it wrong again hes a total tosser.

Steve Cotterril for me even though I don't like him but he wouldn't work under Power plus hes at Birmingham with Harry


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Berniman on Monday, April 24, 2017, 13:46:17
Just putting it out there, not a chance he would come.

Ian Woan, assistant at Burnley.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Costanza on Monday, April 24, 2017, 19:37:46
Also Exeters board still hate Swindon for the handing of the Troy AH transfer and have not fogotten that...even if it was a few owners ago.

Remind me, what did the old regime do that was unforgivable? Was it akin to the Hylton transfer (that worked out).

I remember it went to a tribunal but that's about it.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Hugh Kerrs on Monday, April 24, 2017, 19:41:11
Steve Cotterill. Feisty. No nonsense. Would build up a team with some aggression and drive.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Costanza on Monday, April 24, 2017, 20:34:20
Steve Cotterill. Feisty. No nonsense. Would build up a team with some aggression and drive.

I'd put my money on Cotterill managing Birmingham in L1 next season. Perhaps the Championship.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, April 25, 2017, 10:07:41
Don't want Cotterill anywhere near this club. I don't really rate him as a manager to be honest and he comes across as such a prick.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, April 25, 2017, 10:26:42
Don't want Cotterill anywhere near this club. I don't really rate him as a manager to be honest and he comes across as such a prick.

I imagine there's a reason a man who orchestrated a lower league double-winning season and didn't walk in to another job...

He doesn't have the greatest reputation within the game.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Tails on Tuesday, April 25, 2017, 10:43:00
Orchestrated with a huge budget might I add


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, April 25, 2017, 10:59:14
Orchestrated with a huge budget might I add

They've had plenty of managers with big budgets and have failed wonderfully.

They had a nasty streak under him, it worked.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: bilko on Tuesday, April 25, 2017, 14:22:57
As much as I don't like cotterill he would get us promoted which is all I care about but apparently he's not well liked within the game I understand but who cares about that we need to get back up straight away to L1.
If Power makes the wrong decision as he has done for the last two seasons  it will cost us big time as a. Lunge has to get it right without a doubt.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Hugh Kerrs on Tuesday, April 25, 2017, 19:34:15
I threw Cotterill's name into the mix because we need someone with drive and determination after Luke Williams. Williams comes across as a frightened 18 year old. Yes Cotterill is obnoxious, but many successful managers have a ruthless nasty edge. Alex Ferguson wasn't exactly warm and friendly. Neither Morinho, or at our level, Steve Evans. And of course Paolo had that ruthlessness. I don't want to like a manager, but to have respect for his management skills.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: StfcRusty on Tuesday, April 25, 2017, 20:10:00
Respect Cotteril? No chance. A cunt with an overrated opinion of his own ability.

Career managerial win percentage of 41% is identical to Mark Cooper's.  Dennis Wise's is 45%. PDC's is 53%.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Tuesday, April 25, 2017, 20:16:49
I threw Cotterill's name into the mix because we need someone with drive and determination after Luke Williams. Williams comes across as a frightened 18 year old. Yes Cotterill is obnoxious, but many successful managers have a ruthless nasty edge. Alex Ferguson wasn't exactly warm and friendly. Neither Morinho, or at our level, Steve Evans. And of course Paolo had that ruthlessness. I don't want to like a manager, but to have respect for his management skills.

Didn't Di Canio once say something like '...you don't have to love me, you just have to follow me and together we will win...'

It's pretty darn accurate and he certainly applied that at STFC. Any manager that comes in with even half of that attitude will do well with the players he/she has.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 26, 2017, 12:15:23
I lasted not posting for three days.

Can't believe anyone wants him to stay after relegation. I do take the point that Power may appoint the tea lady as a replacement but at this stage I'm willing to give tem a go.

I see Power is thus far doing his normal MO of saying fuck all. Lets get the pointlessness of Charlton out the way and see if this continues.

At least the Adver and other media outlets are asking the right questions publically.

Sherwood, what a Teflon coated twat.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, April 26, 2017, 12:38:53
This week was always going to be a case of all quiet on the western front for fans. That might roll on to next week and then retained list season should be in full swing.

I'll be very interested in how the coaching staff can survive a top-to-bottom review.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 26, 2017, 12:49:38
When do contracts expire/the window open again? 31st June/1st July?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, April 26, 2017, 13:13:21
When do contracts expire/the window open again? 31st June/1st July?
If STFC had contract expiring on 31st June it really would show what a shower of shit they are!!  Only 30 days in June - which is a Friday so don't expect anything to happen until July 3rd at the earliest - but more than likely the last week of August!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, April 26, 2017, 13:14:45
Contracts have always run to the end of June


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, April 26, 2017, 13:16:18
When do contracts expire/the window open again? 31st June/1st July?

1st of July generally but retained lists will probably start getting announced from Monday.

One of my favourite times of the football year.... :nod:


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, April 26, 2017, 13:22:13
If STFC had contract expiring on 31st June it really would show what a shower of shit they are!!  Only 30 days in June - which is a Friday so don't expect anything to happen until July 3rd at the earliest - but more than likely the last week of August!
Doh, head was in July. Then again I have to use the knuckle method to remember how many days are in what month. The rhyme yeah, yeah, , but all the months are interchangeable so I can't remember it.
---
Thanks all...

The retained list.....that's going to be small for us..


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, April 26, 2017, 13:22:43
1st of July generally but retained lists will probably start getting announced from Monday.

One of my favourite times of the football year.... :nod:

Should be a very short list and probably a note saying we will listen to offers for Vgs


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: RedRag on Wednesday, April 26, 2017, 14:12:12

Sherwood, what a Teflon gilet coated twat.

mind your language


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Power to people on Friday, April 28, 2017, 12:51:39
I wonder if it will be announced after the game on Sun that he is leaving the club or if it will continue to drag on


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 28, 2017, 12:53:25
I'll hazard a guess...


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Friday, April 28, 2017, 16:04:46
I'll hazard a guess...
Don't waste your time !!!.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: The Grim Reaper on Friday, April 28, 2017, 19:11:18
Power would have sacked him by now if he was going too. I honestly thought after last week we'd have a new face in the dug out who would have the pre season to work with the players. Shamefully it would appear that we will kick off the new season as we were. Expect more of the same shit next season.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 28, 2017, 19:34:36
I've got a nasty feeling about that too.

On the plus side at least we'd be spared any misplaced false hope. the life having been sucked out of us before a ball had been kicked.

do they do refunds on season tickets,?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Hugh Kerrs on Friday, April 28, 2017, 20:04:08
I've got a nasty feeling about that too.

On the plus side at least we'd be spared any misplaced false hope. the life having been sucked out of us before a ball had been kicked.

do they do refunds on season tickets,?

Yes they do .. full refund


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 28, 2017, 20:08:29
blimey, I was joking but that's good to know...I won't be..


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Hugh Kerrs on Friday, April 28, 2017, 20:26:46
blimey, I was joking but that's good to know...I won't be..

Excuse me .. you've actually bought a season ticket?!  Why?  ???


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Ells on Friday, April 28, 2017, 20:30:22
I think (whispers) Batch might be a Swindon fan..


Title: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Friday, April 28, 2017, 20:47:07
Quote
I think (whispers) Batch might be a Swindon fan..
shhh, I told you not to tell anyone.
--+++
I'm not a fan of Swindon at the moment. I still retain a small sense of optimism next year will be different. Plus  I take the kids.

not sure I'll survive past another year of academy football under Williams though. might be time to pick and choose.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Ells on Friday, April 28, 2017, 23:47:46
I don't think anyone enjoys being a fan at the moment, but I'm not sure you stop being a fan entirely because of that. It's been done to death but we all have our reasons for going back. Enjoy the away days, kids like it, hope, sheer masochism, a combination of the above most likely. 

To be honest I don't know which one apply to me (apart from it definitely not being the kids bit.) I still don't regret renewing my ST though.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: sonicyouth on Saturday, April 29, 2017, 01:42:16
You forgot quite a big one: habit.

And once you break that habit, you don't tend to attend as regularly as you perhaps used to. I think there's quite a few on this forum who fall into that category.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Legends-Lounge on Saturday, April 29, 2017, 08:23:32
You forgot quite a big one: habit.

And once you break that habit, you don't tend to attend as regularly as you perhaps used to. I think there's quite a few on this forum who fall into that category.

I agree. X3 ST until end of play-off season v PNE. I went once last season, didn't miss it. I've been three times this season and my family twice. I saw the writing on the wall v Coventry where we should have been buried after the first 25 mins. Still unless we do really well next season I can't see us going at all sadly. After 40 years I've seen enough of division four thanks. It's not a never again scenario but we now have other commitments on the weekend to consider.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: herthab on Saturday, April 29, 2017, 08:45:31
It's not rocket science, is it? When we're winning and doing well, attendances are good. When we're losing and doing shit, attendances fall. People will find all manner of reasons not to go, but it's usually down to what happens on the pitch. Obviously there's other factors; starting families, moving away, change of job which includes weekend working, etc, but the biggest factor is results. The amount of people now declaring they won't be back until Power leaves is a case in point. If we were winning I wonder how many of them would be taking that stance? Not many I'd guess..


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, April 29, 2017, 09:41:05
It's not rocket science, is it? When we're winning and doing well, attendances are good. When we're losing and doing shit, attendances fall. People will find all manner of reasons not to go, but it's usually down to what happens on the pitch. Obviously there's other factors; starting families, moving away, change of job which includes weekend working, etc, but the biggest factor is results. The amount of people now declaring they won't be back until Power leaves is a case in point. If we were winning I wonder how many of them would be taking that stance? Not many I'd guess..

Testify!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: brocklesby red on Saturday, April 29, 2017, 10:16:24
It's not rocket science, is it? When we're winning and doing well, attendances are good. When we're losing and doing shit, attendances fall. People will find all manner of reasons not to go, but it's usually down to what happens on the pitch. Obviously there's other factors; starting families, moving away, change of job which includes weekend working, etc, but the biggest factor is results. The amount of people now declaring they won't be back until Power leaves is a case in point. If we were winning I wonder how many of them would be taking that stance? Not many I'd guess..

We were garbage under Hart,got relegated and had a clear out. New manager,winning games in division 4 and crowds averaging around 8,400. I know a lot depends on choice of manager and decent player recruitment but with a good start to the new season, gates will improve. On the other hand, Williams in charge,some Chelsea youths playing development style footie and the demise will continue. I think Powers got more sense than that though


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, April 29, 2017, 10:19:14
I think Powers got more sense than that though
He's had over 2 seasons to have more sense and hasn't so far. I have fuck all faith in changes being made and have resigned myself to more of the same. Hope I'm wrong but I think Williams will be here and the same recrutiing model will be there.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: tans on Saturday, April 29, 2017, 11:28:56
Ive renewed, for my sins, but have to agree with Chalkies Shorts


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, April 29, 2017, 11:49:38
When Rikki & Mcmoan told fans that questioned them that they were no longer welcome at the CG I stopped going. I missed the entire season were we got promoted back into the Championship.

I didn't start going again until the scouse twat was sacked.

I worry that Power has had the same alienating effect on many of our fans. Some of them may come back if we start winning, but some will not.

FWIW I've renewed our ST's for next season, largely because it's one of the links we still have to home


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: leftside on Saturday, April 29, 2017, 16:56:58
He's had over 2 seasons to have more sense and hasn't so far. I have fuck all faith in changes being made and have resigned myself to more of the same. Hope I'm wrong but I think Williams will be here and the same recrutiing model will be there.
Genuine question CS, what was your view of the Ling appointment?

It gives me a measure of hope that he could sack and replace Williams with another more mainstream/experienced manager.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, April 29, 2017, 17:09:59
Genuine question CS, what was your view of the Ling appointment?

It gives me a measure of hope that he could sack and replace Williams with another more mainstream/experienced manager.
I thought he had employed somebody who was absolutely desperate to be in a job and would be eternally grateful to Power - and cheap. The fact he had a link to Town would play well. He did alright but his medical issues resurfaced, unfortunately. Apparently, Lee Power paid his contract, which was decent.
The bloody complication with a new manager is fucking Sherwood. What is the structure? I think you'll only get someone who is absolutely desperate. I can't see an experienced manager joining. I'd love to see Keith Hill here but why the fuck would he?
I want to be wrong but just can't see it.
If I was Power, I'd tell Tim to fuck off (although he only did 4 weeks unpaid work), bring in an experienced manager, give them a budget and let them manage and put my feet up in Switzerland.
I could see Chris Ramsey rocking up or another of Sherwood / Power cronies.
I'd just like to see a bit of independence from Power from someone who has options and not desperate.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, April 29, 2017, 17:19:30
I'd just like to see a bit of independence from Power from someone who has options and not desperate.

We need a proper manager, who understands lower league football. The backdrop to next season, is already can we arrest the slide and stay in the Football League?

York City today have shown what can happen when you get on a slide....Football League to Conference North in 2 seasons.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: REDBUCK on Saturday, April 29, 2017, 19:21:40
and Bristol Rovers showed what can happen, conference to league 1 in two seasons.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, April 30, 2017, 14:15:51
Is he still fucking here?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: tans on Sunday, April 30, 2017, 14:19:30
Hope he stays, he has done a great job


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: DV Canio on Sunday, April 30, 2017, 14:22:58
If he's not gone in the next 24hrs then he won't go full stop.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, April 30, 2017, 14:23:56
please please fuck off now Williams


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: joteddyred on Sunday, April 30, 2017, 14:35:41
I've just realised that I've not posted the envelope with my season ticket paperwork in, so technically I've not renewed.  If Williams is still here on Wednesday, I think that will tell us he's not going anywhere.  I can't sit through another season of the same, so in that case, the envelope will go in the bin.

Please Power for the sake of the club, make one decent decision and get rid.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Sunday, April 30, 2017, 14:43:12
I just heard his interview. sounded very relaxed about things. I hope that's not an indicator, I've already bloody renewed


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, April 30, 2017, 14:46:21
I've just realised that I've not posted the envelope with my season ticket paperwork in, so technically I've not renewed.  If Williams is still here on Wednesday, I think that will tell us he's not going anywhere.  I can't sit through another season of the same, so in that case, the envelope will go in the bin.

Please Power for the sake of the club, make one decent decision and get rid.
Fucking hell - Must feel like your birthday !!!.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: RedRag on Sunday, April 30, 2017, 14:53:19
Hope he stays, he has done a great job
Is that you, Eric Read?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: tans on Sunday, April 30, 2017, 14:53:59
Is that you, Eric Read?

Haha no


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Family at War on Sunday, April 30, 2017, 15:08:09
Makes you wonder who we can get listening to Luke the yawn. In his interview he said if asked on recruitment and style of play he would contribute, christ all mighty what sort of management is going on there he should be deciding this. Who would take the job - convinced this why Macdonald left.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, April 30, 2017, 15:15:23
Sorry Luke. You are way out of your depth. Time to let someone who knows what he is doing take charge.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: ghanimah on Sunday, April 30, 2017, 15:33:22
please please fuck off now Williams

Thanks.  :)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, April 30, 2017, 15:39:43
I just heard his interview. sounded very relaxed about things. I hope that's not an indicator, I've already bloody renewed

The way he was talking about having a look at players for next season and what they need to do, it sounded to me like he knows he is still going to be here..  Brace yourselves people, more of the same next year..


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, April 30, 2017, 15:56:59
Let's see.

My money is that he and Embleton will stay at the club with somebody else coming in ala Tisdale/Perryman and Trollope/Lawrence

It probably won't work.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Johnny Reeves on Sunday, April 30, 2017, 16:00:15
My money has been robbed by them this season.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Sunday, April 30, 2017, 16:21:45
My money has been robbed by them this season.
Sue them under the trade descriptions act.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, April 30, 2017, 16:37:39
My money has been robbed by them this season.

Nope you willingly gave it to them. All of the concerns relating to Power and to a lesser extend Williams were around this time last year.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: ron dodgers on Sunday, April 30, 2017, 19:00:12
Let's see.

My money is that he and Embleton will stay at the club with somebody else coming in ala Tisdale/Perryman and Trollope/Lawrence

It probably won't work.
Steve Perryman presented my player of the year trophy when he was President of my football club!
(fuckinell that was a long time ago)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 09:03:19
If he's not gone in the next 24hrs then he won't go full stop.
Was clearly stated in yesterday's paper  ' Swindon boss Luke Williams refuses to quit and claimed ' If everybody who made a mistake walked away,  there would be no one in any job'  (Mind you it was in the Sun, let's just hope they've got that one wrong - as normal).


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: nigel grays a postie on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 09:40:47
Power full of bullshit and demonstrably failing to do what is best for club to progress over last couple of seasons. Root and Branch Review can't have started yet otherwise Williams and Embleton should be first out the door having "been given the tools to do the job" and showed themselves utterly incapable of doing it. After all "the biggest appointment in the clubs history" even though apparently it wasn't actually a job for him couldn't possibly have provided inferior quality tools could he?

I can't believe there are any Swindon fans who would seriously relish Williams being our manager again next season. If as others have stated Power won't pay him off, then in all likelihood he  will be the first manager in history to take a club from a vague glimmer of a play off push for the Championship to Conference South and still be employed.
Mind you its not all bad news Feruz and Barry would probably look ok at that level.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: joteddyred on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 11:26:22
I'm clinging on to the hope that nothing as happened as yet due to yesterday being a Bank Holiday.

Even if the top to bottom review hasn't started/completed yet, it doesn't take a genius to see that the management team are completely incapable.  Anybody who manages a team that is relegated (with the exception of someone who is brought in as a replacement when the team is already in trouble) should be sacked, no questions asked. 

William's win ratio is 26.7%.  Abolutely pathetic and I don't imagine there are many worse records where the manager is still employed at said club.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 12:31:29
I'm going to get in here before Flashheart and say.....

Is he still fucking here???


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 14:23:05
Lets start by saying i believe Luke Williams will be sacked.

However regardless of lessons Power may learn from this season i can't believe he will completely abandon the model. He may learn lessons about the quality of loan players, the need to get business done early and gel a team, the importance of a spine of experience to the team, the need for fighters as well as footballers. He will not though change from a policy where the club must be self sufficient, where we develop players to sell and fund the club and where he has a major say in who comes through the door and who doesn't.

The leader of our team next season will still be a Head Coach and not a Manager. Those of you hoping for an old school appointment after Williams removal need to have your heads examined.

Now given Williams pedigree as a coach (too many players and people in the game have praised the guy), i wonder what our chances are at getting a better coach? I remember that most of the credit for our couple of successful seasons went to this man, and probably rightly so. All that has changed is the quality of the players and recruitment, something for which Cooper paid for first and i think it inevitable Williams will pay for soon.

I'm not optimistic about a potential replacement for him and honestly would not have a problem if he was still in charge next season. There are far bigger problems to be solved over this summer.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 14:30:14
Lets start by saying i believe Luke Williams will be sacked.

However regardless of lessons Power may learn from this season i can't believe he will completely abandon the model. He may learn lessons about the quality of loan players, the need to get business done early and gel a team, the importance of a spine of experience to the team, the need for fighters as well as footballers. He will not though change from a policy where the club must be self sufficient, where we develop players to sell and fund the club and where he has a major say in who comes through the door and who doesn't.

The leader of our team next season will still be a Head Coach and not a Manager. Those of you hoping for an old school appointment after Williams removal need to have your heads examined.

Now given Williams pedigree as a coach (too many players and people in the game have praised the guy), i wonder what our chances are at getting a better coach? I remember that most of the credit for our couple of successful seasons went to this man, and probably rightly so. All that has changed is the quality of the players and recruitment, something for which Cooper paid for first and i think it inevitable Williams will pay for soon.

I'm not optimistic about a potential replacement for him and honestly would not have a problem if he was still in charge next season. There are far bigger problems to be solved over this summer.

The evidence of our own eyes tells us that Luke is very limited as a coach...despite what Power and a few of the players say.

OK, he's young , in coaching terms and so has the possiblity to learn, but atm he's way out of his depth.  You're right we won't get anything sexy as a replacement, and the model will stay in place.

But even someone like Dave Hockaday, who's some experience of Conference football and academy coaching added to his decent playing career at STFC would be an upgrade.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 14:57:17
The evidence of our own eyes tells us that Luke is very limited as a coach...despite what Power and a few of the players say.

OK, he's young , in coaching terms and so has the possiblity to learn, but atm he's way out of his depth.  You're right we won't get anything sexy as a replacement, and the model will stay in place.

But even someone like Dave Hockaday, who's some experience of Conference football and academy coaching added to his decent playing career at STFC would be an upgrade.

My own eyes tell me the players were not good enough, not that Luke is limited as a Coach. Would some one else have done better with what we had this season? I'm not sure but i lean towards probably not.

Why is Dave Hockaday better than Williams? He left FGR by mutual consent (read sacked after 7 losses in eight) and was relegated (though got lucky with Salisburys financial problems), was sacked at Leeds (though who hasn't been) and was then sacked from Kidderminster last year. He has had a stab with a well funded non league club, a big but poorly run championship club and a run of the mill non league club and has been lets face it, pretty shit. What we he do at a poorly run, run of the mill, lower league club like ours?

I think its slightly laughable that anybody would consider that a better option than Williams.

It could happen as given his record he would more likely be willing to bend to Power's will in order to get a league job again. I just don't think that it's a good option or even a better option than what we have.

The name suggested here before and someone i think likely is Chris Ramsey. He's in the circle of trust with Power/Sherwood. He has been a coach and helped develop the young spurs players. He has the lower league playing experience and is an ex Swindon player who to some extent knows what it takes to get out of this division. He had a dodgy spell at QPR, but so have a lot of people and that was his first job.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 14:57:29
I don't think Power has to abandon the youth model. We need to sell players to survive. He has to moderate it down, to get a better blend with older heads. I don't believe this can't be done to breakeven. Walsall largely managed it without running a kindergarten. Its playing with fire to continue.

Williams, well we may get another yes man academy coach. At this stage I'd take that over nothing at all. Just out of hope it would be less crap and that they could at least get the talented toddlers fit, organised and motivated. I don't see what there is to lose.



Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 14:58:55
My own eyes tell me the players were not good enough, not that Luke is limited as a Coach. Would some one else have done better with what we had this season? I'm not sure but i lean towards probably not.

You think not, I think yes. That's that done and saved us from circular argument :)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 15:01:37
You think not, I think yes. That's that done and saved us from circular argument :)

Well said. I suspect most will agree with you.

Our greater problem this season was scoring as opposed to defending. Sure our defense could have been better but Rovers in 10th conceded more goals than we did. The problem was only three teams scored less (two of them were relegated as well). Its easy to blame as you put it fitness, organisation and motivation and i agree that it was short of what was required, with some players (Kasim etc) more at fault than others. In truth though a little more quality in forward areas and we would have stayed up. I blame Power for believing in Obika and buying Norris/Delf more so for these problems. And Holloway, the prick, for recalling Doughty and barely playing him in the second half of the season!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 15:08:17
Well said. I suspect most will agree with you.

We've just been relegated under Williams. I suspect you are right :)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 15:19:16
My own eyes tell me the players were not good enough, not that Luke is limited as a Coach. Would some one else have done better with what we had this season? I'm not sure but i lean towards probably not.

Why is Dave Hockaday better than Williams? He left FGR by mutual consent (read sacked after 7 losses in eight) and was relegated (though got lucky with Salisburys financial problems), was sacked at Leeds (though who hasn't been) and was then sacked from Kidderminster last year. He has had a stab with a well funded non league club, a big but poorly run championship club and a run of the mill non league club and has been lets face it, pretty shit. What we he do at a poorly run, run of the mill, lower league club like ours?

I think its slightly laughable that anybody would consider that a better option than Williams.

It could happen as given his record he would more likely be willing to bend to Power's will in order to get a league job again. I just don't think that it's a good option or even a better option than what we have.

The name suggested here before and someone i think likely is Chris Ramsey. He's in the circle of trust with Power/Sherwood. He has been a coach and helped develop the young spurs players. He has the lower league playing experience and is an ex Swindon player who to some extent knows what it takes to get out of this division. He had a dodgy spell at QPR, but so have a lot of people and that was his first job.

Of course it's a matter of opinion, but I read an interview with Steven Gerrard recently, he's taken on a Liverpool academy coach job, he was offered Franchise but turned it down, feeling too inexperienced.

Gerrard said academy players and I suppose by default academy coaches are all lollypops, Cruyff turns and trying to look good.  A Charlie Colkett if you like, whereas what he wants to develop is a more physical approach...a Tom Smith if you like.

I guess you feel that if the coach is handed the Colketts then he can't put a bit of dog into them, rather the recruitment needs to find them.

This season no outfield player has developed in any way and most have noticeably got worse, even by their own low standards, the Head Coach has to be judged by that.

As for Hockaday, of course I'd love to see a proper boss in charge, but I think we mostly suspect that is unlikely, we need to find someone who will stabilise in Div 4, as with Luke at the helm I fear for the future.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 15:37:54
A question, which has probably been covered to death already but I cannot be bothered to look, and thankfully I have had limited access to here over the last few weeks.

Williams constantly wittered on that he didn't want the job, had to be persuaded etc etc. Now if it was such a bind and you really didn't want to do it then why are you sticking around when its gone majorly tits up? I cannot imagine he got a huge wage increase to take it on?

Likewise Sherwood had a reasonably good reputation (at least at Spurs) before he came here and Williams was allegedly a great coach, in both cases their reputations are being eroded and shot to shit before our eyes - I do wonder whether there is more to all this?
 


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 16:50:38
How many players or managers have come out and said he is a good coach, from memory I can only think of it happening a couple of times, it is usuaslly Power praising him to the hilt to convince supporters.

If Williams is such a good highly rated coach why is he still here ?

Why has no bigger club snapped him up ?

Surely his position as manager / head coach is untenable he has been in charge of a team that has got relegated, there are no mitigating factors about smallest budget, huge injury crisis etc etc he has failed and as such as happens in the football word should be sacked.

How can another manager or coach come in with Williams still here, how would that work ? would the players run to Luke when something happened they didn't like his coaching methods would be the same as this season that failed how can he change or improve but at another club ?

Would the new guy be comfortable having to work with the old management team ?

We need an experienced spine to the team with younger players that can hopefully improve and be sold on in the future for profit, but just not all sold at once.

I'd like to see other teams that have got promoted from L2 the last few years the average age of their teams


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 16:55:21
How many players or managers have come out and said he is a good coach, from memory I can only think of it happening a couple of times, it is usuaslly Power praising him to the hilt to convince supporters.

If Williams is such a good highly rated coach why is he still here ?

Why has no bigger club snapped him up ?

Surely his position as manager / head coach is untenable he has been in charge of a team that has got relegated, there are no mitigating factors about smallest budget, huge injury crisis etc etc he has failed and as such as happens in the football word should be sacked.

How can another manager or coach come in with Williams still here, how would that work ? would the players run to Luke when something happened they didn't like his coaching methods would be the same as this season that failed how can he change or improve but at another club ?

Would the new guy be comfortable having to work with the old management team ?

We need an experienced spine to the team with younger players that can hopefully improve and be sold on in the future for profit, but just not all sold at once.

I'd like to see other teams that have got promoted from L2 the last few years the average age of their teams
I don't remember one player ever in an interview stating how good a coach he is.

The only person who has ever said it has been Power himself, who also stated we turned down a bid from Sunderland for Williams when Poyet was in charge there who wanted him as head coach.

Nothing came from that though.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 17:22:57
Of course it's a matter of opinion, but I read an interview with Steven Gerrard recently, he's taken on a Liverpool academy coach job, he was offered Franchise but turned it down, feeling too inexperienced.

Gerrard said academy players and I suppose by default academy coaches are all lollypops, Cruyff turns and trying to look good.  A Charlie Colkett if you like, whereas what he wants to develop is a more physical approach...a Tom Smith if you like.

I guess you feel that if the coach is handed the Colketts then he can't put a bit of dog into them, rather the recruitment needs to find them.

This season no outfield player has developed in any way and most have noticeably got worse, even by their own low standards, the Head Coach has to be judged by that.

As for Hockaday, of course I'd love to see a proper boss in charge, but I think we mostly suspect that is unlikely, we need to find someone who will stabilise in Div 4, as with Luke at the helm I fear for the future.

I can see where Riddick is coming from.

We were 6 points short in the end, but must have dropped well over twice that number from winning or drawing positions. I'm not sure that effective game management is something that can be coached into young players effectively when a season is in progress.
The problem with this squad has been what goes on in the space between the ears during a game.
Most top level sport is played in the head and a collective lack of a footballing brain has probably also contributed to the general impression of lack of fitness and organisation.

Feel a bit sorry for Luke but wouldn't be surprised to see him still here in August with maybe Embleton being a casualty of the "review".
Having said that, hope that Power does realise that it is time for a change.
There are plenty of coaches out there who would fit the bill, assuming that the model will not change much.
Adi Viveash might be a worth a go if he could be persuaded to give up the relative security of the academy environment. Plus he has the advantage over Williams of a decent playing career at league level.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 17:27:32
I don't remember one player ever in an interview stating how good a coach he is.

The only person who has ever said it has been Power himself, who also stated we turned down a bid from Sunderland for Williams when Poyet was in charge there who wanted him as head coach.

Nothing came from that though.

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/swindon_town_2014/14507730.Ajose_puts_goalscoring_heroics_down_to_Luke_s_influence/?commentSort=score


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 17:30:55
Also,

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/13316082.Ward_lavishes_praise_on__incredible__Town_number_two_Williams/

Unfortunate headline aside


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 17:52:51
I stand corrected, I never read the Adver I only listen to interviews on matchdays pre and post match so missed these 2 articles.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Ells on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 17:59:06
And not just town players

http://www.theleaguepaper.com/latest-news/football-league-division-one/4243/profile-swindon-town-manager-luke-williams/


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 18:07:42
And not just town players

http://www.theleaguepaper.com/latest-news/football-league-division-one/4243/profile-swindon-town-manager-luke-williams/

Well over a year ago.... reputation now in tatters. Luke need to go to another club as academy coach or some sort of assistant to rebuild his CV.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 18:09:58
Well over a year ago.... reputation now in tatters. Luke need to go to another club as academy coach or some sort of assistant to rebuild his CV.
Definately this, his stock has to have gone down, head coach seems way past his level.

He always seemed a reluctant gaffer anyway.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 18:28:10
His reputation has certainly been dented from this season but there are a lot of mitigating circumstances. Power and Sherwood being the two biggest! When Sherwood was appointed Williams basically became cone collector for 10 weeks, wheeled out to sit on the bench and answer questions pre and post match.

I'm not saying he's the messiah, or even the very best option for next season. Given how the club is run though I think there are a lot of worse options and I would not have a problem with him still leading the team.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Ells on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 18:36:10
Well over a year ago.... reputation now in tatters. Luke need to go to another club as academy coach or some sort of assistant to rebuild his CV.

I was simply commenting that he has been called an excellent coach by people other than Power, I wasn't commenting on how true it might or might not be! It doesn't take a genius to work out that relegation doesn't look good on anyone's CV, but I have to agree there are mitigating circumstances.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 18:51:38
I cba to find it but there's an article with Andy Williams somewhere in the Adver archives giving massive credit to LW for his goalscoring run during the play off season. Uwe Rosler also gave him praise on the FL show a couple of weeks ago.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, May 2, 2017, 20:49:19
I still think Scott Parker would be an ideal fit as a player manager. Sadly I don't think there's any links with Power...


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, May 3, 2017, 12:51:58
His reputation has certainly been dented from this season but there are a lot of mitigating circumstances. Power and Sherwood being the two biggest! When Sherwood was appointed Williams basically became cone collector for 10 weeks, wheeled out to sit on the bench and answer questions pre and post match.

I'm not saying he's the messiah, or even the very best option for next season. Given how the club is run though I think there are a lot of worse options and I would not have a problem with him still leading the team.

You call them mitigating factors but publicly he was happy doing this


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, May 3, 2017, 12:58:41
I cba to find it but there's an article with Andy Williams somewhere in the Adver archives giving massive credit to LW for his goalscoring run during the play off season. Uwe Rosler also gave him praise on the FL show a couple of weeks ago.

http://www.theleaguepaper.com/latest-news/football-league-division-one/4243/profile-swindon-town-manager-luke-williams/


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 3, 2017, 13:36:16

There are plenty of coaches out there who would fit the bill, assuming that the model will not change much.
Adi Viveash might be a worth a go if he could be persuaded to give up the relative security of the academy environment. Plus he has the advantage over Williams of a decent playing career at league level.

There was a piece on the wireless a few weeks back (cannot remember where sadly) where they were discussing why more British coaches do not make the step up from being very successful academy coaches to full blown league managers. The general conclusion was that the money isn't much better (if at all going from a Prem/Championship Academy to a L1-2 club as manager) and its really not worth the ball ache, abuse and short term nature of being a manager when you have comparatively hassle free job security at academy level.

FWIW I bet we couldn't match what Viveash is getting salary wise as Development Squad Manager at Chelsea even if we made him manager, and why the fuck would he want the poison that comes with it in the present climate.

Definately this, his stock has to have gone down, head coach seems way past his level.

He always seemed a reluctant gaffer anyway.

So why is he staying, as stated above cannot imagine his salary went through the roof when he was promoted and he is getting abused left right and centre and possibly doing long term damage to his long term career prospects - he knows something I tell thee and that's why Power won't let him go.....  ;)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, May 3, 2017, 16:11:56
There was a piece on the wireless a few weeks back (cannot remember where sadly) where they were discussing why more British coaches do not make the step up from being very successful academy coaches to full blown league managers. The general conclusion was that the money isn't much better (if at all going from a Prem/Championship Academy to a L1-2 club as manager) and its really not worth the ball ache, abuse and short term nature of being a manager when you have comparatively hassle free job security at academy level.

FWIW I bet we couldn't match what Viveash is getting salary wise as Development Squad Manager at Chelsea even if we made him manager, and why the fuck would he want the poison that comes with it in the present climate.

So why is he staying, as stated above cannot imagine his salary went through the roof when he was promoted and he is getting abused left right and centre and possibly doing long term damage to his long term career prospects - he knows something I tell thee and that's why Power won't let him go.....  ;)

Some have ambition to go and manage a club and be a successful manager


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, May 3, 2017, 16:41:59
Some have ambition to go and manage a club and be a successful manager

Clearly an assistant to an assistant Academy coach at a top end prem club will be on more than a Power appointed manager.

However if you can get a Prem gig or top end Championship club as outright boss, then your snout is definitely in the trough.

Sadly for someone like a Viveash, all evidence shows that English coaches aren't much trusted by the owners of the top Prem clubs, even if he wanted to give it a shot.  The best shot is provided by middle band of Prem clubs who play not to get relegated so appoint an Allardyce or Pulis.....these are fellas who've learnt their trade in the lower leagues, so itcan be done.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, May 3, 2017, 16:43:12
Some have ambition to go and manage a club and be a successful manager

Would you give up a very well paid job for a job likely to be at best parity salary wise with a very limited opportunity for success, normally overseen by clueless idiots with a very itchy trigger finger


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 3, 2017, 17:08:59
so he's still here then. lumbered.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: joteddyred on Wednesday, May 3, 2017, 20:14:36
Why the fuck is he still he? It's beyond a joke now.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: leftside on Wednesday, May 3, 2017, 21:52:30
'The Adver understands Power and Luke Williams are due to meet later this week at which the position of the head coach is expected to come up for discussion.' (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/swindon_town_2014/15259998.Town_decline_to_answer_Adver_questions_after_torrid_season/)

Have patience. It could all be over later this week. Or not.

If he goes, there'll be the inevitable complaints that the new bloke should have been here sooner; the new bloke is too old/young/a 'yes' man/maverick/inexperienced/cheap option/will bankrupt the club/wears strange clothes/prefers cats to dogs; and any other excuse not to go to the CG next season.

Enough of the hand-wringing, vitriol, wrist slashing, apocalyptic predictions. I think I'll chill until things actually happen.


Title: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, May 3, 2017, 22:24:47
if he goes I'd expect someone with similar background.

obviously not what we need, but just have to hope he's better at it than Williams.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Ells on Wednesday, May 3, 2017, 22:27:49

Enough of the hand-wringing, vitriol, wrist slashing, apocalyptic predictions. I think I'll chill until things actually happen.

Someone on my wavelength at last.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: THE FLASH on Thursday, May 4, 2017, 00:51:50
'The Adver understands Power and Luke Williams are due to meet later this week at which the position of the head coach is expected to come up for discussion.' (http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/swindon_town_2014/15259998.Town_decline_to_answer_Adver_questions_after_torrid_season/)

Have patience. It could all be over later this week. Or not.

If he goes, there'll be the inevitable complaints that the new bloke should have been here sooner; the new bloke is too old/young/a 'yes' man/maverick/inexperienced/cheap option/will bankrupt the club/wears strange clothes/prefers cats to dogs; and any other excuse not to go to the CG next season.

Enough of the hand-wringing, vitriol, wrist slashing, apocalyptic predictions. I think I'll chill until things actually happen.


It has happened already...relegated 7 points adrift in a shit league.

Get rid...


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 4, 2017, 08:35:33

It has happened already...relegated 7 points adrift in a shit league.

Get rid...



http://www.swindon-town-fc.co.uk/Managers.asp

Also statistically our 6th least successful manager since 1902 out of 35 total managers):

1. Hart (2011, 11 Games, 27% SR)
2. Gorman (1993, 72 games, 35% SR)
3. Quinn (1998, 85 Games, 35% SR)
4. Allen (1972, 62 Games, 37% SR)
5. T**d (2000, 18 Games, 39% SR)
6. Lindley (1953, 93 games, 41% SR)
6= Williams(2017, 75 games, 41% SR)

(Cooper SACKED 53% SR, Malpas 44%, Iffy 44%;
highest PDC 67%, Wise 66%,  Sturrock 61% - i.e. the last 3 managers involved in getting us to Div 3.)
==================
Incredible to think I've seen us play under 21 managers! )


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Thursday, May 4, 2017, 10:57:11


http://www.swindon-town-fc.co.uk/Managers.asp

Also statistically our 6th least successful manager since 1902 out of 35 total managers):

1. Hart (2011, 11 Games, 27% SR)
2. Gorman (1993, 72 games, 35% SR)
3. Quinn (1998, 85 Games, 35% SR)
4. Allen (1972, 62 Games, 37% SR)
5. T**d (2000, 18 Games, 39% SR)
6. Lindley (1953, 93 games, 41% SR)
6= Williams(2017, 75 games, 41% SR)

(Cooper SACKED 53% SR, Malpas 44%, Iffy 44%;
highest PDC 67%, Wise 66%,  Sturrock 61% - i.e. the last 3 managers involved in getting us to Div 3.)
==================
Incredible to think I've seen us play under 21 managers! )


Indicator of our relative ages. I've seen us play under 20 managers. My perception was that you were a lot older than myself.  :soapy tit wank:


Title: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Batch on Thursday, May 4, 2017, 11:09:35
may well be, I didn't start going until near the end of secondary school (I'm 43)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, May 4, 2017, 11:38:38
I've seen us under 28 different managers, counting Danny Williams' and Kingy's second spells as one. I've always tried to see the best in them until it becomes untenable.... so someone like McMahon, who is probably the most disliked we've ever had, wasn't all bad. I doubt if he'd been in charge this season we'd have gone down.

The likes of Hart, well he came into a shit position, couldn't turn it around as was soon gone, so I feel broadly neutral on him.

T*dd, soon realised it wasn't working out and fucked off, but he left us some poor players. I'd rather they go quickly though, when it clearly isn't working.

Malpas... had he signed Charlie Mulgrew, who knows.... but he did have some resources, inherited from Sturrock, so has to be in the top 3 hall of shame contenders.

I'm going for Luke as our worst ever boss...

The likes of Jimmy Quinn and Iffy, were in charge when the club was either in Admin or about to enter so no surprise their records suffer by comparison.

Oh and Les Allen in at 2, pop pickers

So worst ever Luke
2nd Les Allen
3rd Malpas


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: bamboonoshoe on Thursday, May 4, 2017, 12:19:10
may well be, I didn't start going until near the end of secondary school (I'm 43)

I was nearly 5 and my dad took me to v Sheff Wed at Hillsborough in 1990. He says he took me to Macari matches before, but I can't really remember. Thinking about it that wasn't that long after the Hillsborough disaster (which consequently my uncle was at, on the opposite terrace fortunately but still very unfortunate to witness) basically a year on and my main memories was a police office lifting me over the turnstile and letting us in without officially being counted. While at the time that seemed fun, thinking back on it, that was either incredibly naive of the offficer to do so or plainly foolish in light of the pretty fresh events.

Sorry this is a Luke Williams thread. Not a historic Town thread. Interesting though (I'm 31)

Out of interest, maybe someone has brought it up before...would it be a good thing to have some kind of "Branch this thread" option? You know, so if absolute wasters like myself go off topic it can easily branch without admins having to move stuff all the time? Just a suggestion.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Exiled Bob on Thursday, May 4, 2017, 12:37:07
....I'm going for Luke as our worst ever boss...

The likes of Jimmy Quinn and Iffy, were in charge when the club was either in Admin or about to enter so no surprise their records suffer by comparison.

Oh and Les Allen in at 2, pop pickers

So worst ever Luke
2nd Les Allen
3rd Malpas
You wouldn't include Ken Beamish in the top 3 then? He led us to our lowest ever league position.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Ginginho on Thursday, May 4, 2017, 12:45:31
Topics get derailed all the time, don't worry about it.

If it's too much one of the Prefects will sort it out.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, May 4, 2017, 13:04:51
You wouldn't include Ken Beamish in the top 3 then? He led us to our lowest ever league position.

No I wouldn't. I've done this before but although we ended up in a lowly position, there was no relegation and  never any danger of getting into the re-election slots.

We had an average side with some good individuals... KB signed in Dave Hockaday, who gave good service, Garry Nelson who was a very tidy player, re-signed Alan Mayes who scored 17 league goals. Jimmy Quinn was starting to come through.

We also did OK in derby games.... not winning v Reading and Shitty, but only losing at Ashton Gate.... if you can't win a derby at least don't lose Luke.

There was also a good Cup run... which was when the league results suffered a bit,  5 home defeats whilst not great, is nothing like the double digits we've endured this campaign.

We also trying to bring through some local talent, a move originated by John Trollope, but carried on by Beamish, so we regularly had 4 or 5 who'd come through the ranks in the side.

You could still recognise back then that decisions were made with the benefit of the club in mind, whereas now it isn't the case.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Johnny Reeves on Thursday, May 4, 2017, 13:39:55
Well said Reg Smeeton,common sense i like it.
 :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: herthab on Thursday, May 4, 2017, 18:58:46
Might see the return of statement Friday tomorrow...


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, May 4, 2017, 19:12:10
Might see the return of statement Friday tomorrow...

Is that a guess or have you heard something?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Ells on Thursday, May 4, 2017, 19:17:06
Is that a guess or have you heard something?

The adver said LP and LW were due to meet later this week, they obviously haven't met today, so..


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: herthab on Thursday, May 4, 2017, 19:22:05
Is that a guess or have you heard something?

Pure guess.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Thursday, May 4, 2017, 19:33:31
Williams is going nowhere - Embleton will take the fall and I'd expect his departure to be confirmed early next week if not before.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: herthab on Thursday, May 4, 2017, 19:43:33
Williams is going nowhere - Embleton will take the fall and I'd expect his departure to be confirmed early next week if not before.

So Williams is definitely off then.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, May 4, 2017, 19:44:14
So Williams is definitely off then.

But Embers is staying  :(


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, May 4, 2017, 20:12:50
Williams is going nowhere - Embleton will take the fall and I'd expect his departure to be confirmed early next week if not before.
I'm intrigued. With a strike rate of about 0% correct are your posts just on the wind up or are you just full of shit? Genuine question!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: leftside on Thursday, May 4, 2017, 21:33:15
Pure guess.
“I think that after a season we have had, we would welcome big change,” said the Town coach, whose own future at the club has yet to be addressed, with a meeting expected with chairman Lee Power by the end of play tomorrow.

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/swindon_town_2014/15262850._Chance_to_start_afresh_may_help_Town___says_Williams/

My guess is there'll be no statement of substance by 'end of play tomorrow.'


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: derbystfc on Friday, May 5, 2017, 08:16:36
One person we know who wont be here next season is Tim Tactics Sherwood, said as much on talk sport this morning


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 5, 2017, 08:17:19
Well according to the Adver site which I don't normally read, today says Williams to get transfer business done early....

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/swindon_town_2014/15266038.Williams_eager_to_get_transfer_business_done_early/

Looks like hes here for the long run.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Friday, May 5, 2017, 08:32:07
We've been getting our business done early for the last 2 seasons - remember our esteemed leader saying it after Preston defeat and again last season.
As for Tim not being here, it will be interesting to see what Power does as he said recently he'd need to speak to Tim to see what he wanted to do for this season.
I hate to back up Chang but I have heard from a number of people that Embleton will go, whether Williams stays is another matter. Could be the sacrificial lamb, Williams is still learning blah blah and we go again. I'm not in the know.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, May 5, 2017, 09:15:31
Embleton and TT to go. Williams taking a step back. I'd take that.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: ronnie21 on Friday, May 5, 2017, 09:51:24
Williams leaving!!!  Thank fuck for that.  source Radio Wiltshire!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, May 5, 2017, 09:52:37
Quote
BBC Wiltshire Sport‏ @BBCWiltsSport  2m2 minutes ago
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 BREAKING : Football @BBCWiltshire understands Luke Williams leaving Swindon Town - club to advertise for new manager #stfc


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, May 5, 2017, 09:52:51
Williams leaving!!!  Thank fuck for that.  source Radio Wiltshire!

Huzzah! Now, let the games begin.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 5, 2017, 09:54:12
One person we know who wont be here next season is Tim Tactics Sherwood, said as much on talk sport this morning
Thank fuck for that. Bottling twat


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 5, 2017, 09:54:30
Huzzah! Now, let the games begin.
Has Sheena been confirmed as bookies' favourite yet?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: Sippo on Friday, May 5, 2017, 09:55:14
Who remembers that fucking goon that applied for the job once, because he was good at football manager...


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 5, 2017, 09:55:50
Thanks for your efforts Williams but as a manager you have been weighed, measured and found wanting.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: Arriba on Friday, May 5, 2017, 09:57:12
With Power as the owner the coach - manager is irrelevant.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, May 5, 2017, 09:59:16
With Power as the owner the coach - manager is irrelevant.

If it's irrelevant, why did we pick up and look half-decent under Ling, who changed the shape and way we play.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, May 5, 2017, 09:59:54
Yes. Because a change in manager never makes a difference. Such as Martin Ling, for example.

Edit. Ah, beaten to it.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: tans on Friday, May 5, 2017, 10:02:55
Cheerio


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 5, 2017, 10:03:06
Who remembers that fucking goon that applied for the job once, because he was good at football manager...
Malpas?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, May 5, 2017, 10:03:18
Who's the bloke who made a big deal of throwing his season ticket in.  Brind or something?  Maybe he should have a go.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: Sippo on Friday, May 5, 2017, 10:04:44
With Power as the owner the coach - manager is irrelevant.

So Williams leaves as wanted, and you still aren't happy...

Typical swindon fan.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, May 5, 2017, 10:06:40
Then there's the playoff final under a manager that was not Luke Williams.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: Tails on Friday, May 5, 2017, 10:07:00
Best thing for the club but sorry for him, I'm sure he can get a decent coaching gig somewhere.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, May 5, 2017, 10:08:37
Good luck Luke.

Scott Parker has a couple of play off games coming up so might be a bit busy for interviews...


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, May 5, 2017, 10:10:22
It's Friday.

We need a statement for some hope that Power is learning. A Friday statement will put everything right.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 5, 2017, 10:12:06
Good luck to him. I feel no bad feelings towards him, I simply don't think he was up to it.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: hefty toe on Friday, May 5, 2017, 10:14:00
Safe to say the new manager won't be getting a 5 year deal.  Wonder how much sacking Williams has cost Power?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: michael on Friday, May 5, 2017, 10:14:32
In fairness to Williams it was pretty obvious at the time that he didn't want the manager's job in the first place.

We go again.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: herthab on Friday, May 5, 2017, 10:25:33
Chang's unerring knack of getting things totally wrong strikes again...


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: Tails on Friday, May 5, 2017, 10:27:23
Chang's unerring knack of getting things totally wrong strikes again...

It's not that he gets it wrong but often the exact opposite will happen!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Chrystovski on Friday, May 5, 2017, 10:27:41
Whilst there are still a lot of things to sort out at the club, this had to be highest priority. I'm relieved rather than pleased but will await the appointment of a new manager before I can be the slightest bit optimistic for next season.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, May 5, 2017, 10:28:20
It's not that he gets it wrong but often the exact opposite will happen!

It's actually quite impressive.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 5, 2017, 10:33:19
Good luck to him. I feel no bad feelings towards him, I simply don't think he was up to it.
Agree, think he always knew that too and made it fairly clear he didn't want it. Foisted on him. But glad he's not manager and he couldn't have stayed here, too toxic for him now


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: Chrystovski on Friday, May 5, 2017, 10:35:38
I guess we can now ask the questions of

Who would you like as manager?

Who do you think we will realistically appoint?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, May 5, 2017, 10:37:19
I guess we can now ask the questions of

Who would you like as manager?

Who do you think we will realistically appoint?

If only there was a thread for these questions...


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: Chrystovski on Friday, May 5, 2017, 10:38:39
 :headhurts:


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: garethgillman on Friday, May 5, 2017, 11:04:33
Embleton gone too - https://twitter.com/Matt_r_Edwards/status/860433822617174016


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: Arriba on Friday, May 5, 2017, 11:32:00
If it's irrelevant, why did we pick up and look half-decent under Ling, who changed the shape and way we play.

True, but it was for a very short period of time. We have no idea how this would have gone had he stayed.

So Williams leaves as wanted, and you still aren't happy...

Typical swindon fan.

I agree he had to go but think the problem runs deeper than a change of manager-head coach.

I've no idea what a "typical swindon fan" is?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, May 5, 2017, 11:35:43
True, but it was for a very short period of time. We have no idea how this would have gone had he stayed.

I agree he had to go but think the problem runs deeper than a change of manager-head coach.

I've no idea what a "typical swindon fan" is?

Today is a start but we'll need to see more changes, to tell if Power is serious about preserving our FL status.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, May 5, 2017, 11:38:46
Embleton going as well. TT looks like he's out, so the room is clear for a new management team, which is promising and maybe, hopefully, a sign of things to come that Power is serious about sorting out the shower of shit he's created.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 5, 2017, 11:40:42
True, but it was for a very short period of time. We have no idea how this would have gone had he stayed.

I agree he had to go but think the problem runs deeper than a change of manager-head coach.
Think you're right here, arriba. However, I do think the right selection will do a lot to make the "model" at least workable, even if there are still fundamental underlying issues.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 5, 2017, 12:02:49
Saw Steve Lomas in the County Ground Car Park earlier....


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, May 5, 2017, 12:13:43
Saw Steve Lomas in the County Ground Car Park earlier....
A good spot all the way from the Lake District ;) did he have Sheena Easton with him....


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, May 5, 2017, 12:15:06
A good spot all the way from the Lake District ;) did he have Sheena Easton with him....

Got great eyes me.... yeah Sheena was in the back.....


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, May 5, 2017, 12:15:20
A good spot all the way from the Lake District ;) did he have Sheena Easton with him....

Horlock has particularly good binos.... after all Swindon is the perv capital of the South West.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: Power to people on Friday, May 5, 2017, 12:44:47
Suggested by the adver guy that there was discussions over the rest of the coaching staff also but no decision made

I do hope that the new man will be able to pick his own coaching staff and that Sherwood is not involved in the recruitment process

Anyone highly rated at QPR or Brighton that might be on the radar, but lets wait for the job title, head coach or manager ? 



Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: ronnie21 on Friday, May 5, 2017, 13:42:41
This news has come six months too fucking late!!


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: Chrystovski on Friday, May 5, 2017, 13:45:20
This news has come six months too fucking late!!

Sadly, you are right. Despite the shower of shit we had on the pitch, Ling was proof that another man was able to get more out of the same squad than Luke could.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: DV Canio on Friday, May 5, 2017, 15:35:01
It's actually quite impressive.

It makes me think, maybe he is 'in the know' but just decides to troll us and tell us the complete opposite!!


Title: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED
Post by: Batch on Friday, May 5, 2017, 15:53:29
Williams staying...



out of sight.. has ASD got a day off?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: ronnie21 on Friday, May 5, 2017, 16:47:00
Williams staying...



out of sight.. has ASD got a day off?
Hodgetts broke this news at 9-45 this morning, was he tipped off by Williams himself and has actually taken the club by surprise that it is out in the open three weeks before they wanted to break it themselves?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, May 5, 2017, 16:52:13
Hodgetts broke this news at 9-45 this morning, was he tipped off by Williams himself and has actually taken the club by surprise that it is out in the open three weeks before they wanted to break it themselves?

Making a bodged job of sacking the manager is kind of what you'd expect from such a poorly run club...


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***LEAVING - TO BE CONFIRMED***
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, May 5, 2017, 16:56:16
PUBLISHED
16:38 5th May 2017
by swindontownfc.co.uk
Swindon Town can confirm that Luke Williams has left his position as Head Coach of the Football Club with immediate effect.

Following our relegation to the Sky Bet League Two, reviews have taken place and, as a result, the football club and Luke Williams have mutually agreed to go their separate ways.

We would like to wish Luke the very best of luck for the future.

The club would also like to confirm that the search for a new candidate to take the club forward is well underway and we will issue a further update in due course. 


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***CONFIRMED - HE'S GONE***
Post by: Ells on Friday, May 5, 2017, 17:00:37
No mention of Embleton  ::)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***CONFIRMED - HE'S GONE***
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, May 5, 2017, 17:06:20
No mention of Embleton  ::)

That's because he's going to be the new manager.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***CONFIRMED - HE'S GONE***
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, May 5, 2017, 17:10:07
That's because he's going to be the new manager.

Chang's prophecy was that Embers goes and Luke stays... so you'd expect him to stay. 


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***CONFIRMED - HE'S GONE***
Post by: Ells on Friday, May 5, 2017, 17:13:27
Chang's prophecy was that Embers goes and Luke stays... so you'd expect him to stay. 

Adver bloke said he was going. I know that's only a step above Chang these days, but still..


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***CONFIRMED - HE'S GONE***
Post by: newmarket red on Friday, May 5, 2017, 18:08:38
What a joke should of gone ages ago.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***CONFIRMED - HE'S GONE***
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, May 5, 2017, 18:42:03
Wouldn't surprise me if the new man, whoever he is, brings in Williams as his number 2.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***CONFIRMED - HE'S GONE***
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Friday, May 5, 2017, 19:20:41
Fucking get in there, now lets unveil Jimmy Floyd and the we can look forward to our assault on the League 2 title.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***CONFIRMED - HE'S GONE***
Post by: tans on Friday, May 5, 2017, 19:21:53
Fucking get in there, now lets unveil Jimmy Floyd and the we can look forward to our assault on the League 2 title.

Keith Floyd for manager then


Title: Re: Luke Williams - Not sacked yet.
Post by: Costanza on Friday, May 5, 2017, 19:24:57
Williams is going nowhere

24 hours later...

(https://media.giphy.com/media/hn7Z0UEDn5khG/giphy.gif)


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***CONFIRMED - HE'S GONE***
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, May 5, 2017, 19:28:22
Fucking get in there, now lets unveil Jimmy Floyd and the we can look forward to our assault on the League 2 title.

With Jason Roberts as assistant?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***CONFIRMED - HE'S GONE***
Post by: pauld on Friday, May 5, 2017, 19:41:56
Fucking get in there, now lets unveil Jimmy Floyd and the we can look forward to our assault on the League 2 title.
On balance, which would you say you have less of, shame or clue?


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***CONFIRMED - HE'S GONE***
Post by: joteddyred on Friday, May 5, 2017, 20:29:51
Thank god for that.  The correct decision, although not sure why it took this long.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***CONFIRMED - HE'S GONE***
Post by: RedRag on Friday, May 5, 2017, 20:33:35
I can only repeat the views of others namely that Williams should have been sacked at the New Year.  By then he had received a generous opportunity to show what he could do and matters were getting worse but there was still, crucially, time to hit the 50 point mark by season end.  

It must be disappointing for Williams that what he was allegedly good at, the coaching, also failed to be evidenced in the end but I hope he will have the opportunity to resurrect his touted skills there.  A number of posts have confirmed the impression that he was a thoroughly decent bloke.  Sadly faced with Power's gross mismanagement, his decency, inexperience and reticence probably lost him the respect of what was a very young squad.

I have in mind the ludicrous "make it up as we go along" position of Williams' role after the advent of Sherwood.  Listening to Williams explain and support the bizarre and regular changes to his role all became rather sad.  Sherwood may have been in the limelight at Spurs but was pretty inexperienced himself.  Otherwise, he might have helped Williams.  Only Power was responsible for this chaos.

PDC went too far the other way, of course but if Williams were to be a natural manager, a leader of men, he would have had to place HIS demands to the board to keep Town up and risk the sack.  

Good luck now Williams.  Power, you may need to man up and stop seeking to recruit passive coaches you can dominate for what are really your squads and system when we "go again" in August.



Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***CONFIRMED - HE'S GONE***
Post by: leftside on Friday, May 5, 2017, 20:43:55
Thank god for that.  The correct decision, although not sure why it took this long.

I suppose it depends on when you/we think he should have been given the boot - January, as soon as we were relegated, at the end of the season etc...

The reality is that it has only been five days since the end of the season, and that's only for one of the top five divisions.

The more important thing is getting in a new manager in good time, in order to get the new players in in good time. Power's record so far suggests that it could be another frustrating summer for those wanting everything in place well before the start of the new season.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***CONFIRMED - HE'S GONE***
Post by: tans on Friday, May 5, 2017, 20:51:03
He should have been sacked just for not picking Ince vs Oxford. Idiotic decision.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***CONFIRMED - HE'S GONE***
Post by: MichaelPook on Friday, May 5, 2017, 20:54:26
The right decision - time to get behind the new manager


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***CONFIRMED - HE'S GONE***
Post by: Tails on Friday, May 5, 2017, 21:57:18
On balance, which would you say you have less of, shame or clue?

I genuinely did a soapy tit wank at this.


Title: Re: Luke Williams - ***CONFIRMED - HE'S GONE***
Post by: digby on Friday, May 5, 2017, 23:58:32
He should have been sacked just for not picking Ince vs Oxford. Idiotic decision.
totally agree