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Title: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: WelshTownFanJon on Thursday, December 29, 2016, 16:49:26
Hi everybody, just a quick one does anyone think Vigs will actually go in January as he's probably been the best of a bad bunch this season?


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Ginginho on Thursday, December 29, 2016, 17:28:05
If an acceptable offer comes in then yes, he'll be off.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 29, 2016, 17:35:14
that's the reality, think he'd sell the goalposts if an offer came in.

I think Henry could be great from what I've heard of him (and the little I've seen), but it's a bit early to step him up imo


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Stevens on Thursday, December 29, 2016, 17:38:22
that's the reality, think he'd sell the goalposts if an offer came in.

I think Henry could be great from what I've heard of him (and the little I've seen), but it's a bit early to step him up imo
Plenty of good 2nd/3rd string keepers in championship who would like a loan.
Your right if a bid of over £650,000 comes in, then he would be off.
The gates are down and we cannot be breaking even.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, December 29, 2016, 17:39:12
This just in: Football clubs sometimes sell players for the right price.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 29, 2016, 17:49:24
fairly unusual to sell them in the window after buying them though.

I'd be disappointed but not overly worried if it happened. don't think vigs will make or break our season- if the money is used to strengthen elsewhere it may be net better for us (unless we replace him with a Jimmy Glass type)


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Christy on Thursday, December 29, 2016, 17:53:48
Hi everybody, just a quick one does anyone think Vigs will actually go in January as he's probably been the best of a bad bunch this season?

Interesting first post given Vig's tweet at the same time... :sherlock:




Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Batch on Thursday, December 29, 2016, 18:00:02
he posted a tweet of him waving...

that's it, we've sold him...

to Oxford...

power out


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Ells on Thursday, December 29, 2016, 19:07:40
Interesting first post given Vig's tweet at the same time... :sherlock:




No one would pretend to be Welsh.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, December 29, 2016, 20:01:43
I rarely get 'sad' about player exits these days. Certainly none since Matt Ritchie's departure.

Could be 2+2=5, could be on his way. Meh.

I'd be annoyed if we get yet another derogatory fee (try and restrain yourself from undisclosed related jokes, folks) for a very talented goalkeeper. I'd also be interested as to where he'll end up.

:popcorn:


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, December 29, 2016, 21:41:55
What if we sell & get a loan back (as we did with Louis)


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Whits on Thursday, December 29, 2016, 22:45:45
I rarely get 'sad' about player exits these days. Certainly none since Matt Ritchie's departure.

Could be 2+2=5, could be on his way. Meh.

I'd be annoyed if we get yet another derogatory fee (try and restrain yourself from undisclosed related jokes, folks) for a very talented goalkeeper. I'd also be interested as to where he'll end up.

:popcorn:
having paid a reported 400k for him id be surprised if he went for cheap.

That photo is very leading,hoping he's just putting that up to say hello :)


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, December 29, 2016, 22:49:24
I seem to recall some misleading tweets before when there were rumours about him.

Don't think he'd be waving goodbye before what might be his last match. Surely he would do it afterwards?

Anyway, not sure that I particularly care. Footballers come and go with increasing regularity, whether they are good or shite .


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Thursday, December 29, 2016, 22:50:46
STFC Rumour Mill ‏@STFC_Rumours  Dec 28
If Lawrence Vigouroux leaves STFC. They will look to Man Utds Sam Johnstone as a replacement.

This under his tweet.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: DiV on Friday, December 30, 2016, 09:02:30
This just in: Football clubs sometimes sell players for the right price.

In our case, usually the wrong price.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Friday, December 30, 2016, 09:05:17
Until recently i would agree DV. If you can double your money on any player in 4 months you cash in it's as simple as that. I would argue that would be the same in any league


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: DiV on Friday, December 30, 2016, 09:08:41
I'll be honest - I couldn't even quote you what fees we've recieved recently.

21 years on and still think we sold Fjortoft for peanuts. We should have got closer to treble what we did.
We should have got a lot more for Austin too and Ritchie.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: tans on Friday, December 30, 2016, 09:27:30
Should never have sold Greer either, what a pisstake of a decision that was


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, December 30, 2016, 09:27:54
I have no doubt that any offer for Vigs, if considered a generous profit on what we paid, will be accepted.

I don't think Power will ever undersell any player but will strive to get the best deal for us/LP etc.

Of our current crop of players he is the only one I would want to keep as a priority but if an offer comes in that means we can sign 3 new players for the first team then its goodbye with our best wishes to him.

As for Sam Johnstone....get real, this keeper is wanted by several Premier League clubs, most notably Sunderland. he won't come to Swindon.

It will more likely be a replacement on loan from whichever club he is sold to as part of the deal.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: tans on Friday, December 30, 2016, 09:28:34
Whos the qpr keeper then ;)


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, December 30, 2016, 09:33:31
Whos the qpr keeper then ;)
Actually Matt Ingram on loan could be a goer.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, December 30, 2016, 22:47:33
I'll be honest - I couldn't even quote you what fees we've recieved recently.

21 years on and still think we sold Fjortoft for peanuts. We should have got closer to treble what we did.
We should have got a lot more for Austin too and Ritchie.
Fjortoft? What about Duncan Shearer! Daylight robbery!!


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: JoeMezz on Friday, December 30, 2016, 22:57:13
I'll be honest - I couldn't even quote you what fees we've recieved recently.

21 years on and still think we sold Fjortoft for peanuts. We should have got closer to treble what we did.
We should have got a lot more for Austin too and Ritchie.

Ritchie was a bit different - was we need £400k now to stay afloat and Bournemouth could give that to us. That hurt, Ritchie was worth 5 times that at that time.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: suttonred on Friday, December 30, 2016, 23:06:36
Should never have sold Greer either, what a pisstake of a decision that was

We didn't have much choice in that, he wanted to go.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: WelshTownFanJon on Monday, January 30, 2017, 17:38:15
Thanks for the replies, down to the last day in this transfer window and nothing so far so I hope he stays..

If he doesn't we are well and truly f'd ::)


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: leftside on Monday, January 30, 2017, 21:24:19
We didn't have much choice in that, he wanted to go.
I may be totally wrong here, but I thought Greer said that he had no intention of leaving and would have been happy to end his career at Town.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 31, 2017, 08:19:24
I may be totally wrong here, but I thought Greer said that he had no intention of leaving and would have been happy to end his career at Town.
Nope he definately asked to leave after a falling out with Wilson, said he would never play for the Town again.....and he didn't.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: leftside on Tuesday, January 31, 2017, 12:48:48
Nope he definately asked to leave after a falling out with Wilson, said he would never play for the Town again.....and he didn't.
OK, ta.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, January 31, 2017, 13:33:54
Nope he definately asked to leave after a falling out with Wilson, said he would never play for the Town again.....and he didn't.

I thought that was after Brighton had offered a pay rise & a long term contract whereas we wouldn't offer either


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, January 31, 2017, 13:35:02
https://twitter.com/LawrenceV93/status/826415407913377798

hmmm


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 31, 2017, 13:36:03
I suspect he just is tweeting about it


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 31, 2017, 13:40:40
I thought that was after Brighton had offered a pay rise & a long term contract whereas we wouldn't offer either
I heard that Wilson layed into him after getting sent off at Charlton in the PO semi final and said to him he wouldn't play for us again, then 3 weeks later he left after the Brighton offer was accepted.

Could be that Brighton turned his head prior to then.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 31, 2017, 13:40:50
trololololol


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, January 31, 2017, 13:44:43
I heard that Wilson layed into him after getting sent off at Charlton in the PO semi final and said to him he wouldn't play for us again, then 3 weeks later he left after the Brighton offer was accepted.

Could be that Brighton turned his head prior to then.
from swindon-town-fc.co.uk:

"Greer was the subject of transfer speculation over the summer that sparked a row between Town chairman Andrew Fitton and his counterpart at Brighton, Tony Bloom. After Bloom claimed that Albion had made a second, improved offer for Greer, Fitton rejected his claims, stating that he hadn’t received an official offer at all - and that he "wouldn’t get out of bed" for the money that had been discussed. A fortnight later, an official bid rumoured to be in the region of £250,000 was received, and it was rejected out of hand, with Fitton believed to value the player at £450,000. Two weeks later though, an undisclosed fee was accepted - and Fitton stated that "every player has his price and when that price is met, and if the player expresses an interest that he wants to go, then in this world there is no loyalty. You have to let him go." After the deal was done, amidst some rumours that Greer hadn't been well liked at the club, Greer claimed that though he was happy at Swindon and Danny Wilson wanted to keep him, Fitton's refusal to discuss a contract extension until October was the catalyst for him to leave."


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, February 1, 2017, 16:59:39
He (Vigs) is being complained at on twitter by some bellend for not having anything Swindon related in his Bio, even though his Bio picture is of him in a Swindon shirt.

Our fans...


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, February 1, 2017, 17:17:03
He (Vigs) is being complained at on twitter by some bellend for not having anything Swindon related in his Bio, even though his Bio picture is of him in a Swindon shirt.

Our fans...

And by "some bellend", I assume you're referring to the tweet by GW Reds, our esteemed independent supporters' group?

https://twitter.com/GWReds/status/826828296847507456


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, February 1, 2017, 17:19:01
That's not really a complaint, more of a question aimed at him with the pretty correct analysis that some of our fans would read into it.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, February 1, 2017, 17:23:19
Esteemed?


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, February 2, 2017, 13:46:29
WTF is Great Western Reds? Is it like the new Loud and Proud?


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 2, 2017, 13:51:25
Kind of, they do the displays and stuff. Credit to them for that much.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: lambourn red on Thursday, February 2, 2017, 13:51:46
WTF is Great Western Reds? Is it like the new Loud and Proud?

yes I think it is the Townend user Jaybox and his mates I may be wrong.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, February 2, 2017, 14:01:15
Was he the guy who got stick for the refugee flag? I vaguely remember wondering if it was made by factory workers but am generally pro-refugee.

e: meant like sweat shop


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 2, 2017, 14:03:46
That's the one


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, February 2, 2017, 14:05:39
coolio.

I miss loud and proud. The website is still up but the forum doesn't work.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, February 2, 2017, 15:25:12
Helloooooooooo Ben

Didn't even know the website still lived, probably Alan hosting it I imagine.  I might go and watch a couple of Atlanta Utd games in the coming MLS season - they have club funded flag sections where supporters are encouraged to stand.  Amusingly it seems the fan clubs have been running for about 2 years, they haven't even had a team during that period.  In comfortable news, the owner has been getting some stick about his running of the club, they haven't even played one game yet, ever.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: swindonmaniac on Monday, February 6, 2017, 19:11:36
Anyone know if the club intend appealing against Vigs card on Sunday ????.  Pretty sure Thompson was ready to accept responsibility for the tackle when the ref went for the card.   Have re-run the video many times and although not 100% clear it does appear that Thompson was first in with Vigs sliding in from the side slightly after.    Would prefer to lose Thompson for 3 games rather than Vigs.  I may well be wrong as surely the club would have commented by now ???. 


Title: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 6, 2017, 19:17:43
think its only 2 games for vigs. not seen comment from the club


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: RedRag on Monday, February 6, 2017, 22:01:44
Good opportunity for Will Henry and I'm wondering if our only decent player might benefit from a mental break at least after all the intensity he has had to apply to his game this season?


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, February 6, 2017, 22:03:58
Maybe he needs some quiet time.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 10:15:48
Good opportunity for Will Henry and I'm wondering if our only decent player might benefit from a mental break at least after all the intensity he has had to apply to his game this season?
Why? He has been our player of the season(by a mile) we are in a relegation scrap and playing our 2 rivals. If we happily let him take the ban then this would actually fuck me off more than any other cuntfuckery the club has done this month.


Title: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 10:20:14
Henry is decent, highly rated.

But you can't not play out best, experienced,  players. Who does Williams deem more crucial.. we'll see.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: tans on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 10:25:02
Bet they dont appeal it, just because this is the current, thick, Swindon Town way.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 10:31:18
Henry is more than capable but that isn't the point.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 10:33:38
Why? He has been our player of the season(by a mile) we are in a relegation scrap and playing our 2 rivals. If we happily let him take the ban then this would actually fuck me off more than any other cuntfuckery the club has done this month.

Which is why I said beforehand that the real damage would not be in losing to a form midtable side, but rather in losing key players to suspension for the bigger 6 point games coming up. Self inflicted foot shooting is classic relegation material....the present set up has it down to a fine art.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 10:38:39
Quote from: Don Rogers Sock
Henry is more than capable but that isn't the point.

And you think he'll see that, given Williams sees the fairy three as instrumental to our midfield, and didn't see a shielding/combative midfielder as necessary (Smith, ince)?


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 10:40:28
He also likes to make sure Thompson starts at any cost


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 10:42:08
Quote from: Don Rogers Sock
He also likes to make sure Thompson starts at any cost

yeah. that's what I meant about who is more crucial.

it's vigs, and I rate Thompson. plus it was his foul, he's got to take the time


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: nigel grays a postie on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 10:42:47
Probably leaving any Vigoroux red card appeal to the D of F. Trouble is he seems to have buggered off.
No point asking Williams he couldn't make a decision in case it upset anyone, and no way Power is going to risk losing £500 of the hard earned cash he banked from 2800 yellow piss stained vermin on Sunday.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: tans on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 10:47:53
Being appealed


Title: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 10:50:15
Quote
Being appealed
hoooray! their social media monitoring is working :)

edit: nope, it was the fa that spoilt the beans


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: ronnie21 on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 10:51:42
For once the Adver comes up trumps, picture of the incident shows NT clearly sliding in to their player with LV close behind!  But this is the FA v. Swindon Town so not much hope of a reprieve.  If only it had been on Sky sports with 99 replays from different angles, the FA's mind would already have been made up!


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 10:55:46
Now williams just has to explain to Vigaroux why he said he can't handle crowds behind a goal  :doh:


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Paolo69 on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 10:58:11
No one likes their beans spoilt Batch. :-)

If it's proven that it wasn't Vigs I'm thinking that Nath will get away with it too as it's the ref's cock up. Anyone know if this is right?


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: tans on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 10:59:06
Apparently not, they appealed for wrongful dismissal not mistaken identity


Title: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 10:59:20
no, I think it shifts to Nathan. mistaken identity.

edit: eh tans? thought it would be mistaken identity. oh OK, then they are trying to get it overturned. risky


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: RedRag on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 11:01:52
Hadn't seen the footage and was merely looking at the (slender) positives of a Vigs ban...ie mental break for Vigs and an opportunity for a decent young replacement in Henry

You would have to think an appeal would succeed. 

Not sure whether Thompson could take a ban now or not?  It's not mistaken identity (one player in blue and one in red - duh) it's just wrong. 

You don't normally trawl through video footage and ban someone days later because a player did make contact when the ref had judged he hadn't and wrongly waved play oni?  This is not violent conduct, is it?

Also has Thompson been sent off this season?  If he hasn't and he could still take a ban then it would only be for one game rather than two


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: tans on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 11:08:03
no, I think it shifts to Nathan. mistaken identity.

edit: eh tans? thought it would be mistaken identity. oh OK, then they are trying to get it overturned. risky

http://www.totalswindon.com/sport/swindon-town-to-appeal-lawrence-vigourouxs-red-card/#.WJmqdOjfWf1


Title: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 11:09:12
yeah. got it. hearing is this pm


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Paolo69 on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 11:13:40
I'm still not actually sure what he was sent off for so hopefully he has a case.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 11:17:03
Now williams just has to explain to Vigaroux why he said he can't handle crowds behind a goal  :doh:

Whether he should have been sent off or not, he still lost his head and was in no-man's land.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 11:17:38
I don't think we have ever had an sending off overturned on appeal, not that I can remember anyway.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 11:17:54
Then that is just as stupid isn't or am i missing the point? It was mistaken identity so appeal that


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 11:18:46
Whether he should have been sent off or not, he still lost his head and was in no-man's land.
He's done that with no fans behind the goal


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 11:22:16
I don't think we have ever had an sending off overturned on appeal, not that I can remember anyway.

Nathan at Cheltnum.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 11:23:23
Nathan at Cheltnum.
Really? that one passed me by, then again the whole game/aftermath passed me by I think I mentally blocked it.


Title: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 11:24:10
so did Thompson win the ball cleanly?

can only assume they think he did, and that  this also brought down their man (fairly). I.e. there was no foul..

it's the only thing that makes sense.

unless they are trying to downgrade to a yellow. no idea if this is allowed and what the ground are if it is


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 11:24:36
Really? that one passed me by, then again the whole game/aftermath passed me by I think I mentally blocked it.

It's the best way....I've been trying to do this since August.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Paolo69 on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 11:31:50
Isn't the "mistaken identity" rule only supposed to be used when the ref has got the wrong player. I.e. he's seen the foul committed by the number 3 but in his wisdom has somehow sent off the number 32 who was standing around picking his nose on the other side of the pitch.

In this case Mr Deadman has given a foul but ultimately can't really have known what for and certainly not who by. For once on one of these appeals, I'm actually quite hopeful.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 11:38:10
wtg, have we, haven't we?


http://www.totalswindon.com/football-association-tell-total-sport-swindon-town-have-appealed-lawrence-vigourouxs-red-card/#.WJmxYOCnzqB


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Paolo69 on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 11:43:49
wtg, have we, haven't we?


http://www.totalswindon.com/football-association-tell-total-sport-swindon-town-have-appealed-lawrence-vigourouxs-red-card/#.WJmxYOCnzqB

Or maybe I'm not so hopeful. Blimey.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: donkey on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 13:22:38
Come what may, I think it's safe to say we are not very appealing this season.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 13:31:16
Come what may, I think it's safe to say we are not very appealing this season.
That is until May when they will be appealing us off the foot of the table.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 17:10:54
Red card rescinded.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 17:15:59
fair fucks to the club on this, played it right and we lose no players


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 17:23:08
Excellent.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 17:38:39
Another bit of good news after the Stiffs win.....can Franchise make it 3 in a day  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 17:47:09
But they're still considering our 5 yellows and post-match tunnel shenanigens, though.  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, February 7, 2017, 21:03:40
I can't believe that's been rescinded considering some of the appeals they've turned down in the past. Good news though!


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, April 5, 2017, 09:47:10
Number 46 in FourfourTwo's list of top 50 FL players. I'm guessing our only entry.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: tans on Wednesday, April 5, 2017, 10:04:47
Number 46 in FourfourTwo's list of top 50 FL players. I'm guessing our only entry.

Higher than Chris Maguire i believe.

Matt Ritchie number 22 or something?


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, April 5, 2017, 10:33:23
Haven't seen the full list. Surely Matt Ritchie is top 5?


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 10:38:23
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2017/october/vigouroux-suspended-four-games/

Tool


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 10:40:35
https://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/2017/october/vigouroux-suspended-four-games/

Tool
Somebody on here (I am pretty sure it wasn't an FB page) posted about that after the game and was shouted down/ignored.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Batch on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 10:44:19
fucks sake,  cunting cuntbags


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 10:46:53
fucks sake,  cunting cuntbags
It does leave us with no professional backup keeper on the bench for 4 games unless we recall Henry from his loan at Dunstable.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 11:16:18
Imagine that'll be a hefty fine. Where's he going to find that many pennies?


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 11:17:12
It does leave us with no professional backup keeper on the bench for 4 games unless we recall Henry from his loan at Dunstable.

I think we did earlier in the week


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Power to people on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 11:26:27
4 games is unusual for being mouthy must have had a lot to say - thing is the goalie usually see's what the ref misses as he is stood there watching the game if the ball is not in his area


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 11:28:16
I think we did earlier in the week
He played for them on Tuesday, makes sense to recall him though.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 11:32:26
He doesn't strike me as the calm type.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: ferret on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 11:52:12
Fact is we've got a sub keeper with a fair bit of lower league experience who will probably be number 1 here inside the next year. Let's take the positives and give him a fair run (with a couple of tricky games in it - even Wycombe are the league's top scorers at the moment) to see what he's capable of.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 12:07:35
Not really surprising that Coventry ref was appalling. Yeah he's probably in the wrong but perhaps the football league should solve the cause and sort out the standard of refereeing as then there won't be a reason for this sort of thing. Very difficult to respect people when they are completely incompetant and the fact the red card got over turned says it all!


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 12:14:58
Am I right in thinking he was the one who denied us a goal after we'd celebrated taken the ball back to the centre spot finished the match and had a shower (ok Im exaggerating slightly) last year?  If so he was fucking appalling.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 12:16:20
Am I right in thinking he was the one who denied us a goal after we'd celebrated taken the ball back to the centre spot finished the match and had a shower (ok Im exaggerating slightly) last year?  If so he was fucking appalling.
Yeah that was him, so players like Vigs who played last season would have been aware of his track record so he probably just boiled over at full time.
See he has refereed 2 games since and is a 4th official on Saturday (at the Coventry game ironically), nice to see the league punishing officials for poor performances.....Not!


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 12:29:36
Not really surprising that Coventry ref was appalling. Yeah he's probably in the wrong but perhaps the football league should solve the cause and sort out the standard of refereeing as then there won't be a reason for this sort of thing. Very difficult to respect people when they are completely incompetant and the fact the red card got over turned says it all!

How would you "sort the standard of refereeing?"

It's an easy thing to say and a hard thing to do. Ultimately, the standard of football in the division is largely shit so you have to expect the standard of refereeing to more or less match that. Yes, that's a pain in the arse and we could get round it by video reviewing a lot, but that would be at the expense of the free flowing game.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: tans on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 12:35:05
The ref was shit though


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 12:50:30
How would you "sort the standard of refereeing?"

It's an easy thing to say and a hard thing to do. Ultimately, the standard of football in the division is largely shit so you have to expect the standard of refereeing to more or less match that. Yes, that's a pain in the arse and we could get round it by video reviewing a lot, but that would be at the expense of the free flowing game.
Lots... the fitness tests for refs and linos clearly don’t work as many can’t keep up with play so that would be a first step. Proper performance monitoring and disciplinary procedures by proper independent judges not ex refs as it’s a closed shop at the moment and they look after their own.
If an official is thrown out of higher leagues for not being good enough he shouldn’t be refereeing at any level as the rules are exactly the same so if your not good enough then you are not good enough full stop.
Make them accountable for their decisions, they should be made to explain and defend their decisions just like managers and players having media obligations. Similarly the football league themselves should be made to explain decisions and performances and not just hide behind disrepute charges for clubs.

In that Coventry game he got lots of really basic decisions wrong as well as the big ones and yet he just continues to get matches with seemingly no reprimands.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: swindonmaniac on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 12:53:47
Seems a little harsh to me.   Must have really hurt the refs feelings. Tosser.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Tails on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 13:07:01
Bit stupid but it's easy to get caught up in the emotion and go mental at a referee. I've done it before.

4 games is daft though. Hopefully RCC can fill the gap but feel we'll miss Vigs


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 13:27:06
Henry has been recalled.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 13:44:27
If an official is thrown out of higher leagues for not being good enough he shouldn’t be refereeing at any level as the rules are exactly the same so if your not good enough then you are not good enough full stop.

Make them accountable for their decisions, they should be made to explain and defend their decisions just like managers and players having media obligations.

You will have no referees left and be forced to play without them. There is already a massive recruitment crisis for referees because it's a bloody thankless job (which probably explains why more than a few of the current ones appear to me massive egotists - yes, I do mean you Clattenburg).

In order to be able to expect genuinely high standards of referees, you'd need to have a big pool of them and that just doesn't reflect reality.

Perhaps Swindon should never sign players release by other, better clubs because "the rules are exactly the same so if your not good enough then you are not good enough full stop"


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 13:50:09
Just had a look on the FA disciplinary website to see if there is anything about this, there isn't and it is shit.

According to them Michael Timlin still plays for us and is 1 yellow away from a suspension whilst Luke Norris doesn't appear to have a surname at all.



Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Batch on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 14:04:04
That site used to be OK, something has gone very wrong!


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 14:05:00
Lot of good refs wasted every weekend in the 4th official role when they could be out in the middle.
This would in theory improve the quality down the leagues.

Any cunt can operate & hold the board up and cop the abuse from both management teams.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: pauld on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 14:07:47
Henry has been recalled.
He'll keep sheets clean

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Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 14:59:28
You will have no referees left and be forced to play without them. There is already a massive recruitment crisis for referees because it's a bloody thankless job (which probably explains why more than a few of the current ones appear to me massive egotists - yes, I do mean you Clattenburg).

In order to be able to expect genuinely high standards of referees, you'd need to have a big pool of them and that just doesn't reflect reality.

Perhaps Swindon should never sign players release by other, better clubs because "the rules are exactly the same so if your not good enough then you are not good enough full stop"
So we just accept awful officials and that’s that? If their shit at their job they shouldn’t be doing it! Something drastic needs to happen as between this and the Stevenage ref they have just been embarrassments!

The player comparison is pretty woeful comparison as that’s down to the money clubs have to spend whereas the league decide what level a ref should be and pay accordingly!


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 15:23:26
So we just accept awful officials and that’s that? If their shit at their job they shouldn’t be doing it! Something drastic needs to happen as between this and the Stevenage ref they have just been embarrassments!


Sadly until the teams get their house in order and the FA's actually back the referees its going to be shit.

I know its the Mail (first on the Google List sorry) but if FL referees only earn say £400 a game, you may be the best ref in the world but would you do it for that money. That money to be called a cunt by 10,000 people a week sworn at to your face by the players, slagged off in the media constantly by managers and pundits (who seem to rarely actually know the rules) etc etc.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2909239/Top-Premier-League-referees-earn-FIVE-TIMES-Football-League-officials.html

As noted elsewhere therefore you only get people with the thickness of skin to deal with it and as the shortage now shows only referees who are sticking with the shit rather than being retained due to their quality. Plus with the disparity in pay anyone at our level half decent is going to fuck off to the Premier League as quick as they can!

We have to accept it as shit is what the system churns out, its all very well saying they should be got rid of, and in an ideal world they should, but I am not aware of a massive queue waiting to step into their shoes.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 15:50:23
Sadly until the teams get their house in order and the FA's actually back the referees its going to be shit.

I know its the Mail (first on the Google List sorry) but if FL referees only earn say £400 a game, you may be the best ref in the world but would you do it for that money. That money to be called a cunt by 10,000 people a week sworn at to your face by the players, slagged off in the media constantly by managers and pundits (who seem to rarely actually know the rules) etc etc.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2909239/Top-Premier-League-referees-earn-FIVE-TIMES-Football-League-officials.html

As noted elsewhere therefore you only get people with the thickness of skin to deal with it and as the shortage now shows only referees who are sticking with the shit rather than being retained due to their quality. Plus with the disparity in pay anyone at our level half decent is going to fuck off to the Premier League as quick as they can!

We have to accept it as shit is what the system churns out, its all very well saying they should be got rid of, and in an ideal world they should, but I am not aware of a massive queue waiting to step into their shoes.
There are over 50,000 qualified referees in this country ranging from levels 10 to 1, there's enough in that pool to as a bare minimum create enough competent referees for the professional game. The fact that existing referees don't get punished is part of the problem as it doesn't give others the opportunities. We have the same old incompetent officials who float around the football league for the best part of a decade. This Breakspear twat will probably still be a football league ref in 5 years time and that's just not right. The assessors and PGMOL protect their own as a result the officials don't get held to account as they should.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: tans on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 15:56:07
Just tweeted saying ‘Double standards...’


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 15:58:22
Just tweeted saying ‘Double standards...’

That will probably cost him another 2 games on his ban


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 16:06:33
That will probably cost him another 2 games on his ban
Assuming it's not aimed at Flitcroft...


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: tans on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 16:17:16
Assuming it's not aimed at Flitcroft...

That was my first thought too!


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 16:27:24
Just tweeted saying ‘Double standards...’

presumably swiftly deleted?


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 16:58:57
That was my first thought too!
Flitcroft has hung him out to dry and I do always find it a bit ‘double standards’ when managers criticise players for not respecting the officials.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, October 5, 2017, 19:25:26
So what did Vigaouroux do? Just ranting at the linesman and ref ? Whats this about throwing a punch in the tunnel? How has Flitcroft hung him out to dry?

More details please....


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 6, 2017, 06:43:36
I guess this explains the hanging out to dry

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/15579631.Flicroft_fumes_at_Vigouroux_after_four_match_ban

interesting comment on lack of discipline last couple of seasons!


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: ferret on Friday, October 6, 2017, 07:29:39
Flitcroft has hung him out to dry and I do always find it a bit ‘double standards’ when managers criticise players for not respecting the officials.

Totally agree.

He was moaning about the ref after the Stevenage game, even though we won, but now sees fit to come out with the whole patronising clichéd "I was brought up better", "I respect the police" blah blah blah.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: REDBUCK on Friday, October 6, 2017, 07:41:26
So a manager who tends to say it as he sees it, tells the player who behaved like a twat, that he behaved like a twat.

can't see what's wrong to be honest.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Frigby Daser on Friday, October 6, 2017, 07:58:32
Flitcroft has an amazing habit of bringing every interview back around to the fact he has been "brought up well", "shows respect", works hard, has values, knows the game, analyses, collects data, analyses some more, throws in some more respect, was brought up very very well (in case you missed it), microwaves... it's pretty dull. He'd be the world's worst dinner guest. He was asked about Vigouroux. But no, it's all about him!


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, October 6, 2017, 09:31:33
So Vigs gets a 4 match ban for a few choice words aimed at the officials yet, Sadio Mane's boot to the face of Ederson is only 3?


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Friday, October 6, 2017, 09:38:00
Surely you can all see that to get 4 game bans it's more than a few choice words isn't ?


Title: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Batch on Friday, October 6, 2017, 10:15:59
that or he had some hitherto unknown 'previous' from the FA on future conduct hanging over him


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, October 6, 2017, 10:22:10
So Vigs gets a 4 match ban for a few choice words aimed at the officials yet, Sadio Mane's boot to the face of Ederson is only 3?
One was deliberate, one was not


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Chubbs on Friday, October 6, 2017, 10:43:50
One was deliberate, one was not
But in the eyes of the FA it was, else there would be no ban...


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Power to people on Friday, October 6, 2017, 11:44:59
There are over 50,000 qualified referees in this country ranging from levels 10 to 1, there's enough in that pool to as a bare minimum create enough competent referees for the professional game. The fact that existing referees don't get punished is part of the problem as it doesn't give others the opportunities. We have the same old incompetent officials who float around the football league for the best part of a decade. This Breakspear twat will probably still be a football league ref in 5 years time and that's just not right. The assessors and PGMOL protect their own as a result the officials don't get held to account as they should.

But if they are a ref in the PL and they make a bad decision and it is highlighted as a 'punishment' they get banished back to the FL for a game or 2. Does that not show contempt for the FL that should a ref do something wrong they see reffing in the FL as a punishment.

It would be nice for all refs to be equal to have a pool of refs, and yes maybe those that are consistently given decent marks get to ref some of the bigger games but you would then also have the refs that know that if they are decent and consistent they can get the big games which to be fair if you do ref games you must want to do, would it not increase consistency.

And equally those that consistently marked bad there must be a way for refs that are 'non league' to be able to work their way up in the professional pool if they so wish.

Although lets be honest though not sure that the FA/FL give 2 hoots about the standard of ref's at lower level as long as their crown jewel is looked after.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: pauld on Friday, October 6, 2017, 12:04:24
Although lets be honest though not sure that the FA/FL give 2 hoots about the standard of ref's at lower level as long as their crown jewel is looked after.
How is the Premier League the FL's "crown jewel"? That literally makes no sense.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Friday, October 6, 2017, 12:14:01
Where else do they stock pile their academy teams from


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Wobbly Bob on Friday, October 6, 2017, 13:25:36
Looks unlikely that the matchday squad will be wearing "Stay strong Lolz" t shirts in the warm up tomorrow.

Four games, might have been a laying on of hands involved in addition to the potty mouth.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: pauld on Friday, October 6, 2017, 13:58:07
I reckon he flopped his cock in the ref's ear, so four matches is light considering


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, October 6, 2017, 16:30:40
I reckon he flopped his cock in the ref's ear, so four matches is light considering

Ah so is that why Reg was talking about BBC on the things that make him smile thread.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: tans on Friday, October 6, 2017, 20:53:40
I reckon he flopped his cock in the ref's ear, so four matches is light considering

Whilst calling him a boiled egg.

Boiled egg and soldiers and all that


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, October 31, 2017, 23:57:15
So he's posted to say he's leaving? Bit fucked off if true. Could have left in the summer with a nice transfer fee, I don't understand announcing in October when he can't play for an other club until January and all the chips will be in the buying club's hands when it comes to a price.*

*assuming his Facebook post is correct
**even though he seems to be a Twitter man and posted 1 he ago enjoying the latest win


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Ginginho on Wednesday, November 1, 2017, 05:44:05
He posted saying he's moving back to London to be with his daughter.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, November 1, 2017, 08:11:46
So he's posted to say he's leaving? Bit fucked off if true. Could have left in the summer with a nice transfer fee, I don't understand announcing in October when he can't play for an other club until January and all the chips will be in the buying club's hands when it comes to a price.*

*assuming his Facebook post is correct
**even though he seems to be a Twitter man and posted 1 he ago enjoying the latest win
He’s not said he’s leaving as such Just said he’s moving back to London and that he’ll get the train to Swindon from now on which is fair enough. Let’s be honest given the choice who’d want to settle in Swindon long term? A few fans put photos of DM’s with him on FB where they tried to back him into a corner and create an argument so they could slag him off but he gave pretty polite answers and guess his post was to set the record straight.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: tans on Wednesday, November 1, 2017, 08:29:02
He’s not said he’s leaving as such Just said he’s moving back to London and that he’ll get the train to Swindon from now on which is fair enough. Let’s be honest given the choice who’d want to settle in Swindon long term? A few fans put photos of DM’s with him on FB where they tried to back him into a corner and create an argument so they could slag him off but he gave pretty polite answers and guess his post was to set the record straight.

Then they deleted them when he posted his post :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, November 1, 2017, 13:03:27
Then they deleted them when he posted his post :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

The young 'un's obviously thought they was clever, don't see a problem commuting from London as long as he get's himself to training and matchday on time, obviously tough on him not seeing his child, not heard of the manager suggesting players need to live with in a certain radius.




Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, November 1, 2017, 13:35:53
not heard of the manager suggesting players need to live with in a certain radius.
It was in one of his first inteviews, he wanted his players to live in or close to the community.

Pretty sure it was a radio interview on BBC Wilts pre season.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: @mwooly63 on Wednesday, November 1, 2017, 17:44:55
It was in one of his first inteviews, he wanted his players to live in or close to the community.

Pretty sure it was a radio interview on BBC Wilts pre season.

Yep he did


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, November 2, 2017, 08:03:37
Yep he did
Thanks mw63 I didn't think I dreamt it :D


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: tans on Sunday, November 26, 2017, 13:46:29
Now deleted


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Leggett on Sunday, November 26, 2017, 14:02:36
He's a bit of a dick.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, November 26, 2017, 14:06:59
Now deleted
This has dragged on too long now, Power needs to step in and sort this out as clear neither the management team or Vigs are capable of doing it themselves. Had a look through the Bury forum and seems fallouts between the players and Flitcroft and Futcher especially were a regular thing and said players never played for them again (included their “best keeper in years” and another was their player of the season).


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, November 26, 2017, 14:09:54
It’s pretty clear he’s a bit of a cock.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: theakston2k on Sunday, November 26, 2017, 14:15:34
It’s pretty clear he’s a bit of a cock.
Think both parties are to be honest


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, November 26, 2017, 14:41:30
Nobody comes out of this with any sort of credit tbh


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: pauld on Sunday, November 26, 2017, 17:01:56
Nobody comes out of this with any sort of credit tbh
I think you've conducted yourself admirably in the circumstances :) but agree both of the two main protagonists look like they're putting their egos before the team


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, November 26, 2017, 21:06:22
I couldn't give a flying one about the politics, I just want us to get out of this league.

I'm just sticking my fingers in my ears and going la la la I can't hear you to all this. I'll take them out again when we're in L1.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Monday, November 27, 2017, 10:07:14
Nobody comes out of this with any sort of credit tbh
Not quite sure what Flitcroft has done wrong here if i am honest.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Costanza on Monday, November 27, 2017, 10:13:10
When Charles-Cook signed I assumed that it was preparation for Vigouroux’s departure.

Vigs is a good goalkeeper, we’ll survive without him. We already are.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 27, 2017, 10:13:34
Not quite sure what Flitcroft has done wrong here if i am honest.
I personally don't get it but I think what some fans are saying is that Vigs swore at officials and Flitcroft is very vocal to the match officials himself swearing etc and they are saying its double standards.

I think there is a lot lot more to it than just Vigs swearing at officials for him to get a 4 match ban.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: pauld on Monday, November 27, 2017, 10:34:07
Not quite sure what Flitcroft has done wrong here if i am honest.
They've both taken public something that should be being sorted out behind closed doors. Which means they're both painting themselves into a corner. In Flitcroft's case, that looks like poor man-management - if he wants rid of Vigoroux, fine, but at least try and get a fee for a player that cost us £400k, on the assumption that he would go on to be worth more.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, November 27, 2017, 10:34:25
Not quite sure what Flitcroft has done wrong here if i am honest.

If we were top of the league no one would care. We're a bit shit so Flitcroft must be a cunt.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 27, 2017, 10:51:50
They've both taken public something that should be being sorted out behind closed doors. Which means they're both painting themselves into a corner. In Flitcroft's case, that looks like poor man-management - if he wants rid of Vigoroux, fine, but at least try and get a fee for a player that cost us £400k, on the assumption that he would go on to be worth more.

I've always found the 400K a bit unlikely as cash up front.  More realistic, it was one of those deals that we pay if certain targets are achieved, and I doubt dropping to Div 4 was one of them... although it might explain why Power masterminded it.

Sometimes you just have to take it on the chin. Vigs seems a disruptive influence and needs to go.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, November 27, 2017, 11:11:17
I've always found the 400K a bit unlikely as cash up front.  More realistic, it was one of those deals that we pay if certain targets are achieved, and I doubt dropping to Div 4 was one of them... although it might explain why Power masterminded it.

Sometimes you just have to take it on the chin. Vigs seems a disruptive influence and needs to go.
I have heard we paid about £100k for him plus add ons for promotions etc and call ups that would total £400k.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 27, 2017, 11:19:18
I have heard we paid about £100k for him plus add ons for promotions etc and call ups that would total £400k.

That sounds more likely.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: theakston2k on Monday, November 27, 2017, 11:47:24
If we were top of the league no one would care. We're a bit shit so Flitcroft must be a cunt.
Problem is Flitcroft has a track record of this at Bury so it concerns me as we can’t really afford a Di Canio approach where we just throw contracted players into the wilderness.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: pauld on Monday, November 27, 2017, 11:52:36
I've always found the 400K a bit unlikely as cash up front.  More realistic, it was one of those deals that we pay if certain targets are achieved, and I doubt dropping to Div 4 was one of them... although it might explain why Power masterminded it.

Sometimes you just have to take it on the chin. Vigs seems a disruptive influence and needs to go.
Sure, agree with all that. But whatever the actual amount paid, we did pay decent-ish money for a keeper in the expectation that we would be able to sell him on for more. Publicly putting him on the shit list radically reduces your chances of getting much back on him


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Monday, November 27, 2017, 11:56:20
They've both taken public something that should be being sorted out behind closed doors. Which means they're both painting themselves into a corner. In Flitcroft's case, that looks like poor man-management - if he wants rid of Vigoroux, fine, but at least try and get a fee for a player that cost us £400k, on the assumption that he would go on to be worth more.
Still struggling to find anywhere where the manager has said anything that shouldn't have been said


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: ferret on Monday, November 27, 2017, 12:14:05
Sure, agree with all that. But whatever the actual amount paid, we did pay decent-ish money for a keeper in the expectation that we would be able to sell him on for more. Publicly putting him on the shit list radically reduces your chances of getting much back on him

This is exactly the point. Nobody is claiming that Vigoroux is squeaky clean and, if he has to go, then fine. But let's apply some subtlety to it. Dragging it all through the public, with a load of hissing and tutting on a weekly basis, is extremely poor management. It achieves nothing other than worsening the atmosphere and (possibly) leaving us stuck with him for the rest of the season.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 27, 2017, 12:16:10
Sure, agree with all that. But whatever the actual amount paid, we did pay decent-ish money for a keeper in the expectation that we would be able to sell him on for more. Publicly putting him on the shit list radically reduces your chances of getting much back on him

I said at the time, that investing in a keeper expecting a big sale was a bit strange given the market in keepers is different to that of outfield players.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: pauld on Monday, November 27, 2017, 12:21:11
Still struggling to find anywhere where the manager has said anything that shouldn't have been said
He's made it pretty clear in interviews that there's been a falling out with Vigoroux e.g. the comment after the Grimsby game that Vigs wasn't injured but that "something had gone on" during the warmup.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: ferret on Monday, November 27, 2017, 12:40:46
He's made it pretty clear in interviews that there's been a falling out with Vigoroux e.g. the comment after the Grimsby game that Vigs wasn't injured but that "something had gone on" during the warmup.

Yes, and even after the Coventry game the approach was poor.

We'll never know what happened post-full time, I'm sure he was in the wrong and was suspended as a result. The club should have just left it at that, but we had Flitcroft taking the moral high ground and banging on about how he was brought up to respect referees (when it suits him - it evidently didn't at Grimsby), blah blah.

But he had already selected him for the Cambridge game 4 days after the incident, before the suspension was applied. He must have seen or heard what went on, and if it was as disgraceful as he later tried to imply, then he should have chosen to leave him out of the side before he was forced to.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Batch on Monday, November 27, 2017, 12:50:24
On one hand you can't have a policy of "all in it together/one for all" if some loose canon starts with the attitude. IF, and I mean if he' pulled out a game with an over exaggerated injury that's shit.

On the other we are shooting ourselves in the foot. He'll get a new club, they don't give a shit about attitude at first if the player has talent.

Difficult one to resolve, no matter who  is right or wrong.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: RobertT on Monday, November 27, 2017, 12:59:33
Lets be honest, out keeper is the least important position - so long as they can make some saves and kick the ball long, all is good.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 27, 2017, 15:00:15
Lets be honest, out keeper is the least important position - so long as they can make some saves and kick the ball long, all is good.

RC-C set up a goal at Yeovil with a lovely long throw.  He could have probably made a decent quick bowler with an arm like that.


Title: Re: Lawrence Vigouroux
Post by: Ells on Monday, November 27, 2017, 19:27:50
RC-C set up a goal at Yeovil with a lovely long throw.  He could have probably made a decent quick bowler with an arm like that.

(http://i65.tinypic.com/2vnqphy.jpg)