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Title: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 07:51:45 Ranger Cox, Timlin,
Benyon, Sturrockx2, Corr, Mooney, Easton, Belford C, Griemink, Zaaboub, Mildyoneball, Benson, Clarke, Ronson-KanuReeves, Nicolau 'Member when Southend were Swindon B Sorry for the reminder, but if it isn't obvious by now I need somewhere to unload my footballing woes. And TEF therapy is a butt load cheaper than one of the pseudo science shrinks. Take note this is the original, official and best matchday thread. Today is bound to be a hive of activity, with many imitations springing up for the glory. Oh, and call me mad, but I think we can get something from this. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 08:32:11 (http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Untitled.png)
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 08:32:57 Although of late Roots Hall has been a fairly happy hunting ground for the Town of late.
Undefeated in our last 4 visits and winning our last 3 games there. I truly can't see us getting anything out of tonights game, I would be happy with a draw. Ranger and Cox to score in a 3-0 defeat. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 08:37:20 I can only see a repeat performance from Saturday I'm afraid. Poor tired darlings
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 08:37:58 (http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Untitled.png) Why not "we're doomed"?Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: adje on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 08:53:38 Bouncebackability 1-0 (Norris 89)
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 09:26:36 I'm hoping that some of the flooding around England, might have got to Sarfend and it's postponed. The feeling I've got atm, has only been matched once...that back in 1980. Then we had a terrible start to the season, Bobby Smith had recruited poorly in the summer and so was sacked. John Trollope had to come out of retirement to provide some sort of example.
We had Liverpool at Anfield in the LC, then in their pomp, no poncing about with weakened teams then.....Dalglish, Souness, Hansen. I thought this could be 10. It ended up 5-0, which was a relief. OK, a one off game in unique circumstances, but I've already had that feeling this season, the first half at Scunny, where the side and management is so far out of its depth, that the normal rules of engagement don't apply. Scunny could have been viewed as a one off on the road, if not backed up by Saturday's historic horror show at Spotland. Would a narrow defeat be acceptable? Bit like at Vale Park in Feb, with Doughty at centre half, possibly the weakest side in STFC history on the night, but at least not humiliated. This sadly is the terrain that we're in now...normal rules of engagement not applying. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 10:00:14 Would a narrow defeat be acceptable? Bit like at Vale Park in Feb, with Doughty at centre half, possibly the weakest side in STFC history on the night, but at least not humiliated. As I recall, that was more to do with Port Vale scoring early and then just going through the motions for the rest of the game knowing that they could take it easy because we were never going to score. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 10:03:05 Normal rules of engagement completely apply! This team, we're continually told, and I believe, are better than relegation fodder and it's about fucking time we started showing it. It's as simple as that.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Private Fraser on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 10:06:21 Why not "we're doomed"? Haha, that would be too predictable..........rather like our performances of late! Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 10:07:16 As I recall, that was more to do with Port Vale scoring early and then just going through the motions for the rest of the game knowing that they could take it easy because we were never going to score. Entirely possible, but in any game, a 1-0 lead can get wiped out late on by a defender error, dodgy ref decision, or a lucky deflection etc. Had we managed to keep Saturday down to a one goal difference, we'd now be above Coventry. Title: Re: Post by: FormerlyPlymRed on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 10:12:33 2-0 defeat
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Tails on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 10:16:59 6-3. Boo, Branco, Norris, Doughty (x2), own goal.
We'll start like a team possessed and go 3-0 up. Then they'll get one but we'll hit them on the counter for 4-1. They'll get 2 more and go full gung ho and we'll counter attack the shit out of them and win 6-3. Southend will get a red card at some point. Hopes will be renewed before we lose heavily at home to Bradford on Saturday. That or a 2-0 loss. Also followed by a heavy loss at home to Bradford on Saturday. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Exiled Bob on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 10:18:53 I don't care what they do as long as I don't see any articles or Twitter posts from the useless shower of shit saying things like they are "going to put things right tonight". It usually means they are going to roll over and get a good kicking yet again once they inevitably go one down early on.
It'll either be a desperately holding on for a 0-0 draw or a 4 or 5 nil hammering. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 10:25:36 Normal rules of engagement completely apply! This team, we're continually told, and I believe, are better than relegation fodder and it's about fucking time we started showing it. It's as simple as that. Never, ever believe there is a thing such as "too good to go down". Until we address the striker crisis and soft centre anything is possible. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 10:33:26 Never, ever believe there is a thing such as "too good to go down". Until we address the striker crisis and soft centre anything is possible. We're by no means too good to go down. The team are underperforming if we do though. The collection of players is better than relegation fodder, and as a group, both on and off the pitch, they need start showing it. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 11:36:34 We're by no means too good to go down. The team are underperforming if we do though. We all see things differently, this is a genuine question simply because I don't see where you are coming from. But... Why do you think we are under performing? I know the games v Charlton and Rochdale (home) were very good performances, and we got a few away draws which were commendable. Is it based off that? Our midfield I can see is better on paper than its showing, a bit like that Wilson year. For me I don't think its fait accompli, but (**IF** nothing changes in terms of personnel) a team that can't score and can't defend is destined for a relegation dogfight. And we don't do fights. Come January I think everything will change. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 12:46:01 We all see things differently, this is a genuine question simply because I don't see where you are coming from. But... Why do you think we are under performing? I know the games v Charlton and Rochdale (home) were very good performances, and we got a few away draws which were commendable. Is it based off that? Our midfield I can see is better on paper than its showing, a bit like that Wilson year. For me I don't think its fait accompli, but (**IF** nothing changes in terms of personnel) a team that can't score and can't defend is destined for a relegation dogfight. And we don't do fights. Come January I think everything will change. In the Wilson year, we were sat in the same league position with 21 points from 18 games.....2 points better off than at present. We had just got a battling point at Spotland in a 3-3 draw. Things changed in January for the Wilson side and not in a good way....at least some changes offer hope if not guarantees... That season ultimately,, there weren't enough basket cases, Plymuff did their best by getting a 10 point deduction, but still finished above us. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: leftside on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 12:46:48 Town are just like Longfellow's 'little girl'. We're good enough for the play-offs (Rochdale, Charlton, Oldham), we're bad enough for relegation (most of the rest). Obviously relegation is more likely.
From what I've seen this season, its hard work that wins games - two or three players closing the ball down quickly when not in possession, and having two or three options for quick passes/crosses when in possession. Players have to bust a gut to make it happen. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 13:06:00 Ranger will be playing like a man possessed tonight - it sounds at the moment that everything is going right for him and we know what he can be like to play, and of course Cox up front with him and Timlin in the middle...
I wonder if we may be better trying a 4-4-2 with Delf and Norris together, at the moment we cant defend with 1 or 2 sitting so why don't we try and be a little more attack minded and give it a go - although it could spectacularly backfire of course Lastly, what are the odds on Sherwood coming out and defending his team selection and talking over his tactics etc after the match tonight ? Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 13:39:32 Pre match excess uv radiation from the locals in The Last Post.
A repeat of the last midweek game here would be great. But glass half empty so another 4-0 thrashing with Nile Ranger slapping the defence around throughout, metaphorically speaking. For those interested in dodgy owners, then Southend had one in the early 80's. Anton Johnson who had controlling interest in three league clubs at the same time. Real rogue character. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 13:49:17 Southend have a potent front 3 in Fortune, Cox and Ranger. The latter 2 we know all about.
I cannot see past a straightforward defeat tonight and more doom and gloom. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 13:51:36 I got my PC fixed today, giving me a temporary escape from football.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 14:06:14 I suspect we are likely to be torn a new one.... two half decent strikers against our defence plus having to play twice in 4 days, its likely to be like lambs to the slaughter!
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: nigel grays a postie on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 14:07:16 Tonights twitter feed from Boo, Vigs and Doughty will as per usual be long along lines of. Boys know we can do better, but we go again Saturday. 3 1 Saarfend. Inevitably Cox and Ranger for them. Furlong with late meaningless consolation for us.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: joteddyred on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 14:33:48 I can see us conceding a few again. No doubt Ranger and/or Cox will score.
The team that got relegated in 2010 was much better than this one and they still went down ......... Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 14:51:26 In the Wilson year, we were sat in the same league position with 21 points from 18 games.....2 points better off than at present. We had just got a battling point at Spotland in a 3-3 draw. Things changed in January for the Wilson side and not in a good way....at least some changes offer hope if not guarantees... Conversely....in 2013-14 season Sheff Utd were occupying 21st spot in the league after 19 games with 4 wins and 4 draws and 16 points (we are 5 wins and 4 draws from 19 games currently)....they went on that season 7th.Also in the 2014-15 season Barnsley were sat in 22nd place after 19 games with 5 wins, 2 draws and 17 points and they went on to gain promotion via the play offs. Its far from over but we need to start winnings games soon. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 15:09:02 (http://www.rotherhamadvertiser.co.uk/__assets/article_main/2012/02/ANTON%20JOHNSON(1).jpg)
Anton Johnson, maybe Power should try out a fur coat :) Of course things can turn around in the second half of the season, however at STFC even when having a decent season things tend to tail away alarmingly. Maybe TS can have an effect, but so far it looks like he's just muddying the waters... Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 15:48:07 Conversely....in 2013-14 season Sheff Utd were occupying 21st spot in the league after 19 games with 4 wins and 4 draws and 16 points (we are 5 wins and 4 draws from 19 games currently)....they went on that season 7th. Also in the 2014-15 season Barnsley were sat in 22nd place after 19 games with 5 wins, 2 draws and 17 points and they went on to gain promotion via the play offs. Its far from over but we need to start winnings games soon. Fair points. Can't see it, but I doubt their fans did either. What was Sheff U's catalyst for that run? Barnsley changed manager didn't they? Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 15:51:44 Fair points. Can't see it, but I doubt their fans did either. I am not sure TBH, I will have a look back and see, but I also can't see it happening but wierder things have happened.What was Sheff U's catalyst for that run? Barnsley changed manager didn't they? Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 16:01:55 Barnsley were in 19th place after 30 matches when they brought in Johnson as manager 25th Feb and then went on a good run and still won the play offs.
Sheff Utd's run started a few weeks into Nigel Cloughs new reign as manager too, so theres history of teams changing manager and changing fortunes from our position. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 16:03:49 Fair points. Can't see it, but I doubt their fans did either. What was Sheff U's catalyst for that run? Barnsley changed manager didn't they? Barnsley changed because Johnson moved on somewhere, taking a step down the pyramid.. Barnsley's rise was unusual, they beat us somewhat fortuitously right at the end of Jan, we'd been above them the week before. Think their poor spell coincided with Sam Winnall, enduring a drought once he got going in they were flying. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: adje on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 16:06:35 I suspect we are likely to be torn a new one.... two half decent strikers against our defence plus having to play twice in 4 days, its likely to be like lambs to the slaughter! I know they make our strikers look inadequate and they haven't played against our "defence" yet, but 6 goals between them is hardly prolific Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 16:20:12 Over half of Cox and Ranger's career goals came in the seasons they played for us.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 16:31:39 I do feel a bit sorry for Norris and Delf.....STFC, whilst not quite every single season have been defined by its goalscorers down the years back to the days of Fleming through to Morris, and onto most recently Ajose. Simon Cox was a classic of the type, banged them in for Town, found it a bit more difficult elsewhere. The advantage for fans of having a goalscorer, is the prospect of jumping up and down a bit, even if you don't win... and occasionally you get to see something memorable. These fellas enter the pantheon of heroes......back in the summer I did a quiz, SSP was sat at the next table...very distracting. Probably not as bad as a fit bird, but I loved watching the fella play.
We've had a good few in my time, back to Bronco Layne, poor old N and D, it just makes them look worse. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 17:06:14 Big game for Branco tonight.
Overlooked for the captaincy, but needs to step up and show some leadership in that defence. If he needs to resort to the dark arts then fine by me, just don't make it too obvious. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 17:15:04 Which of the dark arts would you like him to resort to? A forearm smash? Falling asleep as Ranger strolls past him? Wandering aimless upfield? Booting the ball aimlessly out for a throw? I'd suggest you'll be sure to get at least 3 of those...
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 17:21:04 Does it really matter that much if we go down? I'd rather be competitive in L2 than scrapping to stay in L1 every season. I know there's no guarantee that we wouldn't also be crap in L2, but playing Orient instead of Millwall, or Morecambe instead of Fleetwood that different.
Sure, we'll take an ego hit but it's not as if we haven't done it before. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Pax Romana on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 17:32:31 Does it really matter that much if we go down? I'd rather be competitive in L2 than scrapping to stay in L1 every season. I know there's no guarantee that we wouldn't also be crap in L2, but playing Orient instead of Millwall, or Morecambe instead of Fleetwood that different. Sure, we'll take an ego hit but it's not as if we haven't done it before. It's a fair point except that as you noted there is no guarantee that we wouldn't be crap there as well. The big advantage of Div 3 over Div 4 is that you can't drop out of the league on the back of one dreadful season. Another frightening thought is that we're only 2 months away from having to play Oxford again. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 17:32:42 Does it really matter that much if we go down? I'd rather be competitive in L2 than scrapping to stay in L1 every season. I know there's no guarantee that we wouldn't also be crap in L2, but playing Orient instead of Millwall, or Morecambe instead of Fleetwood that different. That's true. Also, when I remember us being good in the past, it has stemmed from building momentum from the old 4th division and moving forward.Sure, we'll take an ego hit but it's not as if we haven't done it before. However, the down side to your argument is that we currently might not be competitive in L2. Its a huge step dropping from L2 into the Conference and a slippery slope to oblivion! Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: adje on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 17:36:00 Is anyone returning tonight?Thompson,Kasim?
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 17:51:27 No on both counts.
Here's a rather oddish stat. In our last 32 home games we have only drawn 4. Those odd points here and there can be vital when battling relegation. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: adje on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 17:53:52 Oh well,not that they would have made too much difference
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 17:55:46 Does it really matter that much if we go down? I'd rather be competitive in L2 than scrapping to stay in L1 every season. I know there's no guarantee that we wouldn't also be crap in L2, but playing Orient instead of Millwall, or Morecambe instead of Fleetwood that different. Sure, we'll take an ego hit but it's not as if we haven't done it before. Of course it matters you fucking bellend. Massive assumptions being made against being competitive. Have Oxford, Rovers and Tranmere taught you nothing. Disillusioned fans are already starting to drift. Imagine what dropping to league 2 would do. As for your point on previous visits to div 4, irrelevant. Even Wills spent his way back (Wise/Sturrock) and PDCs spending needs no explanation. Do you honestly think we'd do it again? Ridiculous. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 18:00:51 My point was a preference for being competitive in a lower league than forever struggling in the present one.
Nothing else. As I said there's no guarantee we'd be any better in L2 but that wasn't my main point. Twat Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 18:00:57 Does it really matter that much if we go down? Absolutely yes. The times we've got out of Div 4 have been on the back of spending money we didn't really have. In the Macari case, creative accounting. In the Diamond Mike case, SSW might bail us out. In the Black case.... his money. Power will just trim the budget. We've seen evidence recently that our present squad would not look out of place in the Conference, and Rovers nad Oxford have shown that despite only 2 down it's quite feasible to end up there. OK, things can always change, but someonr like ColU who we've played a fair bit in recent years, are currently in the relegation slots of Div 4. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: newmarket red on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 18:01:14 2-0 win tonight folks.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 18:19:28 So your point is does it matter if we go down and do well?
Well no I suppose not, but it's so hypothetical it's pointless. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 18:24:17 Like us tonight.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 18:48:50 Vigouroux; Furlong, Rossi-Branco, Jones, Ormonde-Ottewill; Thomas, Rodgers, Murray; Delfouneso, Obika, Goddard.
Subs - Henry, Evans, Smith, Iandolo, Young, Twine, Norris. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: FreddySTFC! on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 18:49:06 BOO & Rodgers both start. Anything less than a defeat will amaze me. 2-0, Ranger & Cox.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: corner on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 18:50:03 Reckon we will win 4-3 who can score the most, coyr
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: A Gent Orange on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 18:51:32 Worry most about the loss of Doughty.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: adje on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 19:02:07 What the fuck is up with him now
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 19:10:06 What the fuck is up with him now He plays for Swindon Town? Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: A Gent Orange on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 19:19:44 Gone on fire, apparently.
Or ankle. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 19:36:41 Like us tonight. They might surprise us. But they probably won't. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 19:47:06 Three ex Town players in their team and two strikers, and we have all our scapegoats on the field. Two negatives make a positive perhaps?
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 19:52:34 Interesting to see Obika and Delf start, and Young, Smith and Twine on the bench.
Sods law we'll score first and beat them 5-0 tonight. Or concede first and Simon Cox will add another Hattrick to his resume. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: walcot red on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 19:56:00 Are we losing yet? ;-)
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 19:58:07 Yes
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 19:58:22 fucksticks
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Quagmire on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 19:58:38 Are we losing yet? ;-) We are now Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: adje on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 20:00:00 Is this when our "heads go down"?
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: woolster on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 20:00:24 that's that then :bye: :pint:
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 20:00:51 'Brushed off the attention of Jones'
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: FreddySTFC! on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 20:02:48 Depressing stuff
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 20:03:49 Bit earlier than normal but not by much.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: bathford on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 20:15:52 According to the BBC, 63% possession and 1 - 0 down. Same old, nothing learnt.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: nigel grays a postie on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 20:17:28 Trying to be positive and optimistic but when Adver come up with "Rodgers passes ball straight to the opposition from a free kick..........." its not easy
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 20:22:12 Not being facetious but what I miss most is going into games thinking we may actually win.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: newmarket red on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 20:23:28 Were still in it.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 20:24:22 Were still in it. Still in the game or the shit? :) Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 20:25:10 Still in the game or the shit? :) Probably in the shit... Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 20:26:35 Probably in the shit... Technically both. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: newmarket red on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 20:27:19 We might be in the shit but fancy us getting a result tonight thats me being positive for a change. :)
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 20:30:14 We might be in the shit but fancy us getting a result tonight thats me being positive for a change. :) Good luck with your hangover tomorrowTitle: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: newmarket red on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 20:31:45 Good luck with your hangover tomorrow ill hold back on the scrumpy for a bit longer.Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: adje on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 20:34:42 Another man down for sat.Thomas 5 yellers
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 20:45:02 Another man down for sat.Thomas 5 yellers Canny operator, bung in the blank cup weekend and he's got nearly 3 weeks off. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 20:48:08 Maybe we will win for a change if we have to play some of thr kids on Saturday.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: adje on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 20:49:45 Charlton 2-0 up at Bristol Rovers.What the hell?
Title: Re: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Only Me on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 20:50:07 According to the BBC, 63% possession and 1 - 0 down. Same old, nothing learnt. When I looked at the Sky Sports app we had 70% possession and we were 1 down 😥Sent from my SM-G935F Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 20:50:31 Another man down for sat.Thomas 5 yellers If the suggestion that he can't manage two games in a week are true, then he wouldn't have been playing anyway & has now cleverly got his ban out of the way ;) Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Mother Brown on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 20:53:41 Has SSP sorted out that abusive Shrimper yet ?
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 20:59:09 Someone just bloody shoot on target please.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 20:59:59 Charlton 2-0 up at Bristol Rovers.What the hell? Goals by the fellas off on international duty when we played them. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: adje on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:01:19 Goals by the fellas off on international duty when we played them. Aah,3 now Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:02:09 Charlton 2-0 up at Bristol Rovers.What the hell? 3-0 now.Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:03:15 Fonz misses from six yards
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: joteddyred on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:05:20 Fonz misses from six yards And this is the problem. Not capable of taking the chances we get. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:13:28 And this is the problem. Not capable of taking the chances we get. Yep, it sounds like we are creating chances but not taking them. You just know that Southend will get a chance & go 2 up in a minute Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:16:03 GOAL - Yahooooo..................... 1-1.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:16:37 Wow
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: lambourn red on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:16:41 Beeks get in
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: adje on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:18:12 A bit o' luck.YESSS!
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: WEBBERhyde on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:18:42 :beers:
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: newmarket red on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:19:52 There tails up now come on you reddssss
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:20:21 Bloody hell !!
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: adje on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:28:31 Stormin up the table!
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: newmarket red on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:31:57 Branco gets a yellow card never....
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:31:57 Sounds like a battling and improved second half mixed with a fair bit of mad panic defending.
But an improvement, I think?! Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:33:58 Oh, 4 more minutes....
(http://cdn.history.com/sites/2/2015/05/ask-alamo-survivor-iStock_000024609914Large-E.jpeg) Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: swindonmaniac on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:37:58 Well Done Town. Bradford will be shitting themselves now. :clap:
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:38:28 Didn't think we had that in us, well done to the players.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:38:29 Yessssssssssssssss. 1-1. Fantastic result under the circumstances, sounded like they really give it all.
Can't ask for more can you? Lets not forget this lot put 3 past Bradford. But bloody hell, that was an intense last 15. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: joteddyred on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:40:13 Brilliant point, especially as we went behind. Well done Town.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:40:20 Great point and, perhaps more importantly, lots and lots of positive psycho babble.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:40:37 All around us lost, too. Valuable point..
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:41:42 Sickener for Bury at Sheffield United.
Good. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:42:01 Good point, back it up on Saturday now please
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:42:43 Shows that they do have the fight in them.
A slice of luck with a deflected goal, but still a much needed point. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:43:14 9 points off the play offs.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Batch on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:44:10 We are 18th :)
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Sir Cliff Pipehard on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:44:33 Fucking hell that last 15 was hard work. :(
Great point lads! Vigs sounded like he had a superb game and kept us in it. Well done! Something to build on Yooooou Reddddds !!! :pint: :pint: :pint: :pint: :pint: :pint: :pint: Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:45:21 9 points off the play offs. We're doomed. Be playing non league in two years. :girlgiggle: Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: reeves4england on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:46:24 I see Rovers did well... :eek:
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:47:31 Well its a start, here's to a follow up on Saturday. Tough game so we will see.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:48:38 I see Rovers did well... :eek: But Charlton are shit, that's the only reason that we beat them ;) Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:50:11 Probably as good as we could hope for. Interesting game at Franchise....gets Chesterfield back in touch. I don't see Franchise as candidates, but it would be funny as fuck.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:50:32 I see Rovers did well... :eek: Good. They needed taking down a peg. Yours, Bristol resident. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Ells on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:58:01 Beaks and Ajose putting a smile on my face. Takes me back :)
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 21:59:10 Beaks and Ajose putting a smile on my face. Takes me back :) Threesome :hmmm: Title: Re: Post by: FormerlyPlymRed on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 22:01:18 Good point, sounds like a much better performance than on Saturday.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 22:03:07 Threesome :hmmm: (http://cosmouk.cdnds.net/16/11/1458060159-banter.gif) Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: walcot red on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 22:03:23 Quite surprised with that result, honestly thought we'd lose good away point. Hopefully we can get another draw on Saturday, I would say win but let's not take the piss.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Wobbly Bob on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 22:46:20 Great team effort to withstand the onslaught at the end.
Very much appreciated by the 166 hardy souls at the final whistle. Last ditch defending and two or three stunning saves from a cat like Vigs. Deserved the point tonight. Shame about the ND missed header. Captain's performance from Obika to provide the much needed focal point in attack. BOO was much improved from Saturday. Got into some good positions but can still do better. Branco, very solid, didn't do much wrong and covered for Jones when needed. Rodgers, ok, neat and tidy but very weak in the tackle. Everyone a good solid 7/10 tonight. Vigs excellent and MoM. Why can't we have some nubile pom pom shaking at half time at the CG. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Ells on Tuesday, November 22, 2016, 22:57:41 Great team effort to withstand the onslaught at the end. Very much appreciated by the 166 hardy souls at the final whistle. Last ditch defending and two or three stunning saves from a cat like Vigs. Deserved the point tonight. Shame about the ND missed header. Captain's performance from Obika to provide the much needed focal point in attack. BOO was much improved from Saturday. Got into some good positions but can still do better. Branco, very solid, didn't do much wrong and covered for Jones when needed. Rodgers, ok, neat and tidy but very weak in the tackle. Everyone a good solid 7/10 tonight. Vigs excellent and MoM. Why can't we have some nubile pom pom shaking at half time at the CG. The Robinettes? Also 166 is poor, given that 150 went from Exeter to Carlisle! Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 00:27:21 The Robinettes? Also 166 is poor, given that 150 went from Exeter to Carlisle! 166 were great, it's the rest of us that didn't that are poor, but then it's to be expected at the moment. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: STFCDude3 on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 02:29:36 I went to the game (fortunate as I live near Southend) and we were extremely fortunate to come away with a point. Southend in the last 15 minutes were all over us and it was like the Alamo at times. Vigs was outstanding in goal, and thought Goddard played very well when running down the left, but our central midfield was non-existent, and Ranger was winning every header up front for them. Was glad when they took him off as he was a real handful.
Anyways, a point is a point, and it's a start !! Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 06:37:48 Sounds like we withstood the coconut shy for the last fifteen.
Bit of luck for the goal....that makes a change! Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: REDBUCK on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 08:24:39 So. No real obvious improvement in general performance then just a bit of good fortune.
Lets hope Vigs stays the season . Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 09:09:12 Must have been an improvement if we didn't lose! All very well saying Vigs was busy but that's his job.
Strangely, there are 9 teams who have let more goals in than us - unfortunately, there are only 3 that have scored less. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 09:12:30 It sounded as though we didn't capitulate once we conceded, which is a definite improvement.
Depending on whether or not we build on it, that could be a season-defining performance and result. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 09:18:06 So. No real obvious improvement in general performance then just a bit of good fortune. I can only go off the radio comms, but it sounded to me like we put a shift in rather than fell apart. Particularly in the second half. Is that going to be enough long term to make up for lack of quality? Would we have fallen apart had they scored again? Who knows. Think we just have to take it as a sign of hope and see what happens when Saturday comes. edit: What FlashH said. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 09:20:01 Must have been an improvement if we didn't lose! All very well saying Vigs was busy but that's his job. He was applauded off by the home fans - so he must have been a class above normal keeping last night. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 09:29:47 166 were great, it's the rest of us that didn't that are poor, but then it's to be expected at the moment. Well said.Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 09:33:11 Must have been an improvement if we didn't lose! All very well saying Vigs was busy but that's his job. Strangely, there are 9 teams who have let more goals in than us - unfortunately, there are only 3 that have scored less. Although we're not great at the back, it is the lack of goals which is more of a problem. I don't think a battling point has suddenly turned us into an effective unit, we've had other useful points on the road this season. It has however stopped the rot of supine capitulations, for now at least. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 09:45:38 SJO's return is a huge boost - keep him out there playing most weeks and that's a massive lift for this side.
So under Tactics Tim, we've had one outstanding performance, one horror show and a battling, fortunate draw. Four points from those three games feels about right coming into them. Still think it's so early to have any real opinion on TS and the new set-up, but last night should hopefully keep some of the slightly more knee-jerk moaners at bay for a week. Massive game Saturday now. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 09:50:13 Having a "fit" Beaker is akin to having a million pound new signing up front IMO.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Batch on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 10:00:38 Still think it's so early to have any real opinion on TS and the new set-up Absolutely, though I do find it frustrating that he's quietly going about his business and hiding from the media/dugout. Mainly because I think the fans needed a proper clean start, as do the players. Everyone needs to be pulling in the same direction. But hey, it may work yet. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 10:02:18 SJO's return is a huge boost - keep him out there playing most weeks and that's a massive lift for this side. So under Tactics Tim, we've had one outstanding performance, one horror show and a battling, fortunate draw. Four points from those three games feels about right coming into them. Still think it's so early to have any real opinion on TS and the new set-up, but last night should hopefully keep some of the slightly more knee-jerk moaners at bay for a week. Massive game Saturday now. I don't see it as massive....think we'll be saving that epithet, for six pointers as the season progresses. Realistically, it's unlikely we'll beat Bradford, of course doesn't mean it can't happen, just that indicators suggest otherwise. The last time Bradford won here, was in the 2005 relegation season we were undone by the sprightly pairing of Claridge and Windass. Kingy responded to going 2-1 down by bringing on Christiano Roberto, I recall the Welsh Wizard going on a trademark mazy dribble, towards his own goal, and thinking he seems pissed and doesn't know which way we're playing. A sudden realisation gave the ball away and we were 3-1 down. Kingy got sacked and Roberts ended up in the Sporting Chance Clinic. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 10:11:16 Sorry if i missed it but any highlights up
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 10:26:07 Sorry if i missed it but any highlights up http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/10668439/southend-1-1-swindon Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 10:28:00 Bit short highlights though!
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 10:38:24 Cheers mate
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 10:40:27 For those that are interested in the opposition view of the game, here are some comments from the Saarfend forum.
Quote MAN OF THE MATCH : Lawrence Vigouroux 9 - The save from Wordy's effort was right in front of us and was extraordinary. He also pulled off a string of other saves in that last 15 minutes. OVERALL : They defended like their lives depended on it at the end and how we didn't score is beyond me, but we should have gone for them like that in the first 20 minutes of the second half and killed the game. Swindon started well and were passing it around nicely until we scored. Thought their big centre-half Rossi-Branco played particularly well and unsettled Nile with his dark arts. However, this was a game we really should have won but we strangely played without much urgency until they equalised. Delfouneso's incredible miss really should have woken us up before Obika's goal. Thompson went AWOL on Saturday trying to chase down balls in the opposition half (but luckily Atkinson was covering for him on Saturday) and this time we paid the price for his folly. The introduction of Fortune certainly galvanised us and nearly led to what would have been a deserved winner for our efforts in the last ten minutes but Vigouroux was certainly vigourous in his defiance and saved the point for the plucky visitors. Good finish, disappointing outcome. Some of the best goalkeeping and defending by an opposition side at Roots Hall for many a game. We only woke up after the equaliser and when we did we looked like a Championship side. Phil... free the shackles! Second half, and shades of Saturday as we sat back and invited Swindon to come at us as we settled for hitting them on the counter. If you sit back long enough, something bad will eventually happen, and sure enough Swindon equalised. Ironically they managed this after breaking out from one of our counter attacks led by Thompson!! Their goal was the signal for us to do the battering bit and we duly laid siege to their goal for the last 20 minutes. A combination of over excited shooting, a knackered Ranger running out of steam, and most importantly a Swindon keeper in inspired form kept us out. What an absolutely brilliant performance by Swindon's goalkeeper, without any shadow of a doubt it was his performance that prevented us from getting the win that we probably deserved. Must have been about 5 top drawer saves, plus managing to clear a goal bound shot off the line ourselves and a penalty not given when Woody was bundled over meant that Swindon walked away with a point from a game we should have won. Well done to Swindon for great defending and great work rate We chucked the kitchen sink at Swindon in the last 20 minutes and only an inspired goalkeeper has denied us 3 points Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 10:55:58 Good to hear us defending with that level of intensity, feel it's been missing for a while.
Got to say though, our demise in 2 years is remarkable. Gone from bossing teams all over the park to having to defend for our lives for a POINT at Southend... Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 11:29:24 A Southend that is above us now, and been in a higher league than us? Maybe we haven't got worse, the other sides have gotten better? Except i do know we have got worse ;)
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 11:37:41 Good to hear us defending with that level of intensity, feel it's been missing for a while. Got to say though, our demise in 2 years is remarkable. Gone from bossing teams all over the park to having to defend for our lives for a POINT at Southend... Yes. Because good teams never have to fight for a point away from home. ::) Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 11:52:27 BOO needs to get on the weights. Gets knocked off the ball way too easily. See it time and time again when we conceed goals.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 11:59:33 BOO needs to get on the weights. Gets knocked off the ball way too easily. See it time and time again when we conceed goals. Oh for the days when Player's Weights was more this (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/8f/0b/4c/8f0b4cffebf7c0cda45a4cf8f50d9d8a.jpg) than BOO's mass of choice (http://www.sixthseal.com/archive/June2003/n2oisic2.jpg) Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Private Fraser on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 13:31:06 Ah, yes, those were the days!
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/12/31/article-0-0F4DA13400000578-138_468x366.jpg) (http://cigarettezoom.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Stanley-Matthews.png) Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 19:55:33 Just seen a collection of Vig's saves from last night, makes 400 grand look cheap! Terrible defending on some of them though, one header from the penalty sport area was so criminal with nobody within two yards of the guy!!
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: theakston2k on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 20:02:07 Just seen a collection of Vig's saves from last night, makes 400 grand look cheap! Terrible defending on some of them though, one header from the penalty sport area was so criminal with nobody within two yards of the guy!! Especially considering this time last season many were saying Belford was a better keeper, a man whose professional career is almost certainly over.Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 20:10:53 He was a waste of money according to many. An 'average' keeper.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 20:47:32 He was a waste of money according to many. An 'average' keeper. I've questioned the wisdom of putting all your eggs in the goalkeeper basket. Nothing against buying Vigs, but if you've a limited budget and you're looking to build a side, maybe would have been better to splash the cash on a striker. I know Norris cost 150K, but we haven't got much for that. But as we know Power is all about the sell on, so he hopes to make something on Vigs, while the fans have to watch a struggling side short on goals. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, November 23, 2016, 21:17:30 Yes. Because good teams never have to fight for a point away from home. ::) Yeah that's true. But was using it as a point that our team has got significantly worse in 2 years, or do you not agree? Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Captain Beefheart on Thursday, November 24, 2016, 09:11:39 Great result. I've a feeling that we'll give Bradford a good plundering on Saturday.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, November 24, 2016, 09:15:05 I've questioned the wisdom of putting all your eggs in the goalkeeper basket. Nothing against buying Vigs, but if you've a limited budget and you're looking to build a side, maybe would have been better to splash the cash on a striker. I know Norris cost 150K, but we haven't got much for that. But as we know Power is all about the sell on, so he hopes to make something on Vigs, while the fans have to watch a struggling side short on goals. That's all good and well until you consider that the big-money striker we have was at the club already - Beeka. Norris was signed as a backup for him. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Thursday, November 24, 2016, 09:16:15 Great result. I've a feeling that we'll give Bradford a good plundering on Saturday. Shut up you cuntTitle: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Captain Beefheart on Thursday, November 24, 2016, 09:23:24 Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, November 24, 2016, 09:24:47 I've questioned the wisdom of putting all your eggs in the goalkeeper basket. Nothing against buying Vigs, but if you've a limited budget and you're looking to build a side, maybe would have been better to splash the cash on a striker. I know Norris cost 150K, but we haven't got much for that. The names bandied about at the time, Nichols, Bradshaw and even Keshi Anderson as our main loanee haven't really done much as far as I can tell.But as we know Power is all about the sell on, so he hopes to make something on Vigs, while the fans have to watch a struggling side short on goals. Better than what we ended up with, I suppose. But at what price? We've been spoilt with strikers over the years and it's a shock to witness what we now have. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: suttonred on Thursday, November 24, 2016, 09:25:28 :) Must dig that out. Strange strange album.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 24, 2016, 09:32:27 :) Must dig that out. Strange strange album. I left my copy in a pub. Never to be seen again. The Old Fart not so smart. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 24, 2016, 10:00:54 The names bandied about at the time, Nichols, Bradshaw and even Keshi Anderson as our main loanee haven't really done much as far as I can tell. Better than what we ended up with, I suppose. But at what price? We've been spoilt with strikers over the years and it's a shock to witness what we now have. As we know there are sometimes strikers who smell the sweet Wiltshire air score a load for us and do not much elsewhere. I make it that in my time of watching, or being aware, there have been 33 individuals mostly strikers who've scored at least 15 league goals in a season. Of which 17 have 20+ and 16 are between 15-20. Of these the majority would be described as strikers with a few like Don Rogers, Trevor Anderson and David Moss, more wide men who scored goals. Of these individuals some of them managed more than one season of success. So a 20+ man might be described as a 1 in 2 scorer and a 15+ man a 1 in 3. There's a raft between 10-15, which can include defenders like Paul Bodin and Shaun Taylor, and midfielders like Ben Gladwin. Charlie Henry stands out as a defender turned midfielder who once got 18 goals in season. Jon Obika has a 10+ to his credit, and if he can stay fit and not sold, has the ability to elevate himself into the pantheon. I assume Tactics Tim gave him the captaincy, maybe a shrewd move. Delf is presently a 1 in 16 man, just edging his partner Norris, who's a 0 in16 man :) Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 24, 2016, 11:08:00 At least Norris has stats to suggest he might be underperforming.
Delfs 1 in 16 is normal for him :( Putting all your eggs in the obika basket is mad given his history of injuries, and given we had just lost a striker who scored a massive amount of goals that helped keep us up. So yeah, I can see why Norris could be considered his backup/long term replacement. Still think Delf was a last minute panic after losing out on Anderson (who we thought would replace Ajose) Humph, 1 league goal between them. Thank god beeks is back. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Don Rogers Sock on Thursday, November 24, 2016, 11:12:12 I feel a bit sorry for Delfonsou. Every time i see him play his movement has been superb yet know one picks him out.
In a way he is a perfect example of how these fancy systems are destroying strikers. He would be perfect playing off a target man getting in behind defenses but instead is playing left wing right wing in a number 10 role, basically every position apart from where it's obvious to see where he will do the most damage Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Tails on Thursday, November 24, 2016, 11:14:47 Batch is right. We clearly missed out on our main target (possibly 2 targets) and had to settle for what we've got. There is something about Delfouneso, sometimes he does look like he has some real talent in his locker, he just doesn't deliver. I think he has a good 'footballing brain' as he does get himself in good positions. He does work hard too, as does Norris most of the time, but we need more than that right now. Even SJO's scoring record isn't brilliant.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 24, 2016, 11:23:18 Sadly, if our 3 strikers can't find about 25 goals between them until the end of the season we will go down. VIgs can be as good as anyone in history, but it will not matter. Alternatively, we need replacements in Jan to get those goals.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 24, 2016, 11:36:08 Delf's performance v Rochdale at home shows what he is capable of in terms of work and movement. He could be a useful player for us, just not as a main striker.
Which I think was covered by others, but wanted to say it as it sounded like I was saying he's shit. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Captain Beefheart on Thursday, November 24, 2016, 12:24:26 How did we line up with each Obika, Norris and Delf on the pitch at Southend? Did Delf shift out wide? He obviously brings something. But if its not goals, he might be better off playing as part of a three?
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: leftside on Thursday, November 24, 2016, 12:52:03 Delf's performance v Rochdale at home shows what he is capable of in terms of work and movement. He could be a useful player for us, just not as a main striker. I thought he was the main/only striker in that game. As you say, it was a fine performance.Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, November 24, 2016, 12:53:33 The issue with playing 2 up is you lose Doughty and Goddard being in their best positions.
Delf needs to adjust. He'd be useful as a wideman with a bit of work. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Batch on Thursday, November 24, 2016, 12:57:37 I thought he was the main/only striker in that game. As you say, it was a fine performance. Maybe using the game where he had a good game as striker wasn't the best argument to use to illustrate why he shouldn't' be striker :) Its the goals return that isn't good enough. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: A Gent Orange on Thursday, November 24, 2016, 14:28:27 Goals per 90 minutes rather than per game make much more sense to use (takes out sub appearances or getting injured or hauled off early) and still Delf and Norris lag behind most, scoring about every four games or so through their careers.
Interestingly Obika is ahead of Ajose in this count as once he hits the field, he scored once every two and a bit games and Ajose has spent a lot of minutes at Pboro and Leeds etc doing a lot less than he did here. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 24, 2016, 15:17:42 If Obika is still here after Jan and can find maybe 13 more goals, and Delf and Norris can muster half a dozen each, we have some sort of chance of staying up, assuming the usual quota of 1's and 2's.
Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Paolo69 on Thursday, November 24, 2016, 15:25:11 If Obika is still here after Jan and can find maybe 13 more goals, and Delf and Norris can muster half a dozen each, we have some sort of chance of staying up, assuming the usual quota of 1's and 2's. How many have they scored between them so far? If they manage to score that many in the last 27 games we'll be challenging for the play offs not battling relegation. Title: Re: Southend v Swindon Town offical matchday thread Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, November 24, 2016, 15:56:34 How many have they scored between them so far? If they manage to score that many in the last 27 games we'll be challenging for the play offs not battling relegation. 4. Where not quite there yet, but when you struggle down around the bottom 4, you need something like PO form to get yourself out. This is what happened last season, on the back of Ajose's goals. Consider a season like 10/11, OK we lost CA, 12 in 20, but the other array of strikers used like Dosser, Grella, Miles Storey, Calvin Andrew, Elliot Benyon, David Ball, Pericard, got 10 between them....we went down. A smilar thing happened in 05/06 Rory Fallon had got 12 in something like 24, before being flogged, the rest contributed another 12....Cureton, Thorpe, Benji, Lee Peacock, Chris McPhee, Ashan Holgate, Lukey Jukey....we went down. |