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Title: Fined
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 10:32:16
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Adver Sports Desk ‏@AdverSport  19m19 minutes ago
Swindon Town Football Company Ltd fined £22k by Pensions Regulator for repeatedly failing to comply with automatic enrolment duties. #stfc

Shouldn't Steve Anderson be on top of stuff like this?


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 10:38:54
soapy tit wank. There's always something with stfc.


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 10:45:14
It's hardly massive news or a massive problem is it? I'd imagine a fair number of mid-size business found themselves in similar situations (in fact my company still hasn't put enrolment in place!).

Still, gives the haters more ammo I guess....


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: blinkpip on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 10:45:50
Basic stuff. Embarrassing


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Tails on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 10:47:32
Daft mistake to make. No doubt it will be blown well out of proportion.


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 10:47:47
Shouldn't Steve Anderson be on top of stuff like this?

Steve Anderson, does he really exists.


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 10:50:26
It's hardly massive news or a massive problem is it?

I agree, just makes me wonder just what the flying fuck Steve Anderson actually does, if he exists.


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 10:50:44
Ah, Batch beat me to it.


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 10:52:36
And only yesterday they announced a renewed deal with a financial planning firm...

From personal experience I can tell you The Pensions Regulator are taking non-compliance very seriously. Maybe I should get in touch and see if they need some advice.

I'd imagine a fair number of mid-size business found themselves in similar situations (in fact my company still hasn't put enrolment in place!).

Most businesses are complying. But when it's going to add 5%+ to their staff costs, there are also a lot of companies that are just ignoring it, sticking their head in the sand and hoping it just goes away.

This would've been known about at least 12 months in advance though, so should've been budgeted for.


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 10:59:17
Full report here for anyone that's that way inclined: http://www.thepensionsregulator.gov.uk/docs/regulatory-intervention-section-89-report-swindon-town.pdf


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 11:03:33
I assume that there are these fines flying all over the place at the moment as speaking to our accountant the other week the majority of his clients haven't got this sorted properly yet?

Would have been fine if Power wasn't pocketing all the money!


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 11:46:09
Emarassing.


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 11:58:19
Emarassing.

Is it though? Really? Are you genuinely embarrassed that a football club have been fined £22k for a financial over-sight/mistake that has no victims and is probably common place among businesses of a similar size?


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: ronnie21 on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 11:59:34
I agree, just makes me wonder just what the flying fuck Steve Anderson actually does, if he exists.
Figment of LP's imagination - probably Jed in disguise!


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 12:04:21
Is it though? Really? Are you genuinely embarrassed that a football club have been fined £22k for a financial over-sight/mistake that has no victims and is probably common place among businesses of a similar size?

It's a buzzword for these sort of things. We'll probably see 'joke' and 'laughing stock' before long too.


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 12:07:36
Maybe I should get in touch and see if they need some advice.
Fee on offer: Pro-bono.


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 12:08:55
My fee would've been a lot less than the £22k fine.


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 12:16:54
My fee would've been a lot less than the £22k fine.

But would it have been less than the 22K fine + whatever they haven't paid into the pension pots?

Actually, do they have to pay that retrospectively?


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 12:23:51
Yes, they had to backdate contributions and according to that report it's all up-to-date.


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: michael on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 12:26:14
If this is as common-place as some suggest it is curious that we're the only football club being called out about it on the TPR's Twitter account.

More to come? Maybe others are a lot worse and haven't settled up yet :-)


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: ahounsell on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 12:39:10
Auto enrolment is a massive pain in the ass for small businesses but you get a years notice to get everything in place before your staging date (when you have to start enroling staff into the pension).

There's no excuse really for not having something in place even if its just the basic government NEST pension.



Title: Re: Fined
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 12:49:27
Someone will get a tongue lashing for messing that up. Dont agree is's embarrassing, that would have been the case if we hadnt paid the fines and contributions, all sorted once someone realised we'd screwed up.


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Simon Pieman on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 12:49:47
It's hardly massive news or a massive problem is it? I'd imagine a fair number of mid-size business found themselves in similar situations (in fact my company still hasn't put enrolment in place!).

Still, gives the haters more ammo I guess....

Your firm may be a while from the staging date


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 12:52:55
Your firm may be a while from the staging date

Got you, thanks.


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 13:10:40
People seem to be a bit relaxed about the club pissing £22k up the wall. That's a hell of a lot of money, with all the warnings having been ignored. Rap on the knuckles? I'd have the person responsible off the premises before the end of the working day.


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 13:17:33
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Club Statement: Pensions Regulator Fine
image: http://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/cms_images/newsflag247-2875925_613x460.jpg


PUBLISHED
14:04 21st April 2016
by Swindontownfc.co.uk
IT is unfortunate that the club has been fined by the Pensions Regulator.

The fine related to the period when the ownership of the club was being contested by the former Chairman and is yet another painful example of the severe adverse consequences that the uncertainty and instability caused in regularising the business affairs of the club.

The club is completely up to date and compliant with its pension obligations and contributions.

Read more at http://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/article/club-statement-pensions-regulator-fine-3072950.aspx#0IwLfqrlUXV28UDv.99


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 13:23:37
My fee would've been a lot less than the £22k fine.

Be careful you will be off to Wolves at the end of the season if you sign on, although on the bright side you will have suddenly become the best accountant in the world in the eyes of our fans!


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: JoeMezz on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 13:24:12
Statement on a Thursday? This club is a shambles


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: 4D on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 13:34:17
It's a buzzword for these sort of things. We'll probably see 'joke' and 'laughing stock' before long too.

Not yet :)
http://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?/forum/31-football-chat/&sortby=last_post&sortdirection=desc&page=1


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Chrystovski on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 13:42:15
It's hardly massive news or a massive problem is it? I'd imagine a fair number of mid-size business found themselves in similar situations (in fact my company still hasn't put enrolment in place!).

Still, gives the haters more ammo I guess....

That's 58 side stand ST renewals spunked up the wall, I would call that a big deal.


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: michael on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 13:52:51
Not sure if using the ownership battle as an excuse really stacks up. The timelines intersect, but not at the points where non-compliance occurred, or were highlighted.

Plus, the report suggests either incompetence, or contempt. e.g. 'Minimal correspondence from STFC' noted in 28 October 2014. Jed was back selling double glazing with 'Geordie' at that point.


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 13:59:18
The only way it would explain it on that completely, is if there was a burn the paperwork during the ownership battle. It is entirely possible I suppose, then the next contact goes to an office kid, who thinks wtf is this and bins it. Stranger things have happened.


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Panda Paws on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 14:09:11
The only way it would explain it on that completely, is if there was a burn the paperwork during the ownership battle. It is entirely possible I suppose, then the next contact goes to an office kid, who thinks wtf is this and bins it. Stranger things have happened.

No no, there must be more of a conspiracy theory than that. Power must be fibbing, deceiving and stealing...


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Tails on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 14:32:20
Already seen a couple of fans use this as a reason to not renew ST's.  :suicide:


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 14:40:40
Not sure if using the ownership battle as an excuse really stacks up. The timelines intersect, but not at the points where non-compliance occurred, or were highlighted.

Plus, the report suggests either incompetence, or contempt. e.g. 'Minimal correspondence from STFC' noted in 28 October 2014. Jed was back selling double glazing with 'Geordie' at that point.

I am not sure whether the pension regulator accepts correspondence that consists of an A4 piece of paper with RRRROOOOOAAARRRR!!!! written on it?


Title: Re:
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 15:06:13
It does say something about the corporate culture at the club.

There's either a level of incompetence not to deal with issues like this so ignore it or hope that it goes away. The £400 fine should have set alarm bells off.

Or the day to day staff don't have the authority to act and it all goes via the Chairman if a big cheque needs signing or a decision making.

It could indicate a 'I won't pay it until I have too' culture where they didn't think they'd get fined and then a £2500 a day fine sees action but they still think they can pay late.

Makes you wonder what Sangita Shah and the solicitor Power brought into the board are actually doing. You would expect a bit more 'Corporate Governance' from professionals.


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 15:13:52
Already seen a couple of fans use this as a reason to not renew ST's.  :suicide:

Which will be the 4th or 5th time they have said it no doubt.


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: ronnie21 on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 15:36:10
It does say something about the corporate culture at the club.

There's either a level of incompetence not to deal with issues like this so ignore it or hope that it goes away. The £400 fine should have set alarm bells off.

Or the day to day staff don't have the authority to act and it all goes via the Chairman if a big cheque needs signing or a decision making.

It could indicate a 'I won't pay it until I have too' culture where they didn't think they'd get fined and then a £2500 a day fine sees action but they still think they can pay late.

Makes you wonder what Sangita Shah and the solicitor Power brought into the board are actually doing. You would expect a bit more 'Corporate Governance' from professionals.
Why would Power pay if Jed won control - seems a bit hard to me.


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: The Artist Formerly Known as Audrey on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 16:20:05
That's our transfer budget gone  then!


Title: Re: Re: Fined
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 17:11:46
Why would Power pay if Jed won control - seems a bit hard to me.
The dates don't match up and Jed was long gone by the time the Pensions Regulator took action.

You wouldn't use Jed as an excuse for not submitting a PAYE, Tax or VAT return. Nor does anything explain submitting a spreadsheet with the missed contributions and then not paying the money over.

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Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 17:58:38
Makes you wonder what Sangita Shah and the solicitor Power brought into the board are actually doing. You would expect a bit more 'Corporate Governance' from professionals.
Correct me if I am wrong please - but I don't think Shah has been at the club for a few months now?


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: ronnie21 on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 18:12:11
The dates don't match up and Jed was long gone by the time the Pensions Regulator took action.

You wouldn't use Jed as an excuse for not submitting a PAYE, Tax or VAT return. Nor does anything explain submitting a spreadsheet with the missed contributions and then not paying the money over.

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This all came about during the time the battle for control was going through the courts - Power was not going to pay out if he lost!


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 18:27:20
The £2500 a day fine started in Feb 2015 but it took another 11 months to pay the oustanding contributions. Jed lost the court case in the summer of 2014. I think the club is lucky to only be hit with a £22k fine considering they dragged out settling so long.


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: ronnie21 on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 18:51:10
The £2500 a day fine started in Feb 2015 but it took another 11 months to pay the oustanding contributions. Jed lost the court case in the summer of 2014. I think the club is lucky to only be hit with a £22k fine considering they dragged out settling so long.
So the club statement is wrong then and they are lieing again?


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: theakston2k on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 18:51:22
The £2500 a day fine started in Feb 2015 but it took another 11 months to pay the oustanding contributions. Jed lost the court case in the summer of 2014. I think the club is lucky to only be hit with a £22k fine considering they dragged out settling so long.
Not true. The case wasn't settled until the 23rd of January 2015 when Jed withdrew his appeal. No real excuses but I can only imagine the paperwork or lack of from Jed's short stint running the place, fag packets don't really give a lot of information.


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Simon Pieman on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 18:56:33
http://www.thepensionsregulator.gov.uk/docs/regulatory-intervention-section-89-report-swindon-town.pdf


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 19:15:31
so that's why we sold those players to Wolves ;)

Sound to me like another symptom of the clubs drifting along and none taking ownership. Does Anderson even work full time at STFC?

Hasn't heard Shah left Chang..


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 19:19:54
But if the burgers got sorted, some fans would be happy!!!


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: ronnie21 on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 19:28:35
But if the burgers got sorted, some fans would be happy!!!
If the kiosk nearest to us in the DRS was open every game it would be an improvment!


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Sam Morshead on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 19:30:27
so that's why we sold those players to Wolves ;)

Sound to me like another symptom of the clubs drifting along and none taking ownership. Does Anderson even work full time at STFC?

Hasn't heard Shah left Chang..
I'm not sure she has. Yet. There was suggestion that she would in the summer. No change on appointments to company either, as yet.


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Ells on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 20:11:59
I'm not sure she has. Yet. There was suggestion that she would in the summer. No change on appointments to company either, as yet.

Any idea why?


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Batch on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 20:16:31
Quote from: Sam Morshead
I'm not sure she has. Yet. There was suggestion that she would in the summer. No change on appointments to company either, as yet.

thanks, not like Chang to get it wrong :)


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: THE FLASH on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 20:17:01
This is like the Tories blaming Labour....you can only milk that tit for so long....


Title: Re: Fined
Post by: Sam Morshead on Thursday, April 21, 2016, 20:41:15
Any idea why?
Not got an answer for that. Sorry. Maybe someone will tell me, some day.