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Pleads guilty for grooming and sexual activity with a child

naughty boy

 He can look forward to a job managing Oxford when he gets out.

Disgusting. 12 times?!

:-)

very good

He'll just be put on the sex offenders register and a bit of community service.

Thanks Mystic Meg

I very much doubt it. He'll get bird, even if it's suspended.

I think thats what got him in trouble in the first place

5 years I reckon.

nah she was 15

Johnson sacked by Sunderland

Not birds. Chicks..


That's come as a huge surprise.

There's a headline on the back of the times today saying "will Johnson ever play football again?"

I haven't read the article but it doesn't seem necessary when a two letter word would suffice.

Ooops.

Adam Johnson @AJohno_11 7 Feb 2011

I would call them hot pants not shorts soapy tit wank

If anyone is interested on the trial, @joshhalliday is tweeting live. Makes some pretty grim reading

Reading that, he knew exactly what he was doing. There's no "but he met her in a night-club" excuse that I've seen bandied about.

After sexual activity in the car park, Johnson text her to say: "Wasn't bad was it? soapy tit wank"

Johnson went on to tell her: "Was class. Just wanted to get ya jeans off soapy tit wank"
Girl: "Next time haha"
AJ: "I will last 10 seconds tho soapy tit wank"

These tweets from the courtroom are a grim read.

https://twitter.com/JoshHalliday

 ;D

:D

Yeah?

"Johnson searched internet for "legal age of consent" "

I know footballers are supposed to be thick but really?  :suicide:

Hahaha I didn't even see that! Damn pagination. :clap:

He's just started live-tweeting again. It's getting worse...

Johnsons gf/wife is fucking stunning, what a plonker!

To be fair, when the girl in question was splashed all over Twitter she looked miles older and fit as fuck...

as long as she looked over 16 then it's all OK. even if she did tell him she was 15 first.

Josh Halliday ‏@JoshHalliday  4h
Adam Johnson text to girl: "You in the last year of school?" Girl: "Year 10. Will you still send me a signed shirt?"

Josh Halliday ‏@JoshHalliday  4h4 hours ago Bradford, England
"When you 16?" Johnson asked schoolgirl on New Years Eve 2014. "November," she replied.

Am I right in thinking that Graham Rix is still married to the girl he committed the under-age offence with?

Seriously. A man who is nearly 30 groomed a 15 year old girl. You should read more about it before you say things like that.

I wouldn't worry. He'll be reading every last little detail he can, box of tissues closely at hand ...

I'm going to give Mr Russell the benefit of the doubt for now. Up until a couple of hours ago I was lead to believe that he met her in a club and may not have been aware of her age.

Exactly the same as my impression of the situation. But now... it's clear he was just taking advantage of an underage girl and he knew it.

I'm pretty sure that was his girlfriend, just a rumour that was the 15 year old..

Which is why I suggested reading more about it before coming out with such desperate laddish shite.

I can't imagine why Adam Johnson's girlfriend is standing by him.  Before anyone mentions money, there is no amount of money that could possibly cause such loss of self-respect.  Is there?  She needs to run for the hills ASAP.  :no:

If it makes you feel any better, he's statistically a lot less likely to reoffend while people are supporting him.

Love is a very strange thing, let's not demonise people who haven't done anything wrong. Adam Johnson is the man that needs to be punished for these crimes, not his gf, his mum, her mum, or his goldfish. Him and him only.

Good point, well made, Ells.  However, putting aside the fact that the girl was under age and he was committing a crime, he was playing away when his gf had just had a baby.  The ultimate betrayal and nigh on impossible to forgive, I'd say.  What a low-life.

Yes, but the gf is being punished in a way for sticking by someone who is obviously not treating her with the respect she deserves.

He is a nonce and will get his just rewards in prison I am sure.

Welcome back JJ

Cheers mate :)

His goldfish is a right wanker. Deserves everything it gets

Nice to see you back JJ

I literally have no idea how his girlfriend can stand by him? I'm in no way blaming her and I understand they have a baby together but finding out he was with an underage girl whilst texting her about their newborn child? That's low

 £

Yeah but he will have a lot less £ now??!

He's a millionaire and that won't change. I'd wager that at least 75% of prem footballers cheat on their girlfriends and wives. They get used to the lifestyle so turn a blind eye or are ignorant to it.

At 60k a week, since he was accused I make that about 3 million. More than I'll get through in a lifetime sadly.

Yeah. I'm not saying it's "right" necessarily. It's just obviously I work with a lot of prisoners and their families and I retain respect for a lot of the women who stand by their partners when they've done something horrible. I'm afraid it really is something you can't really understand until it happens to you.  I think it's very unfair to say it's simply money.

Agreed, could be that she loves him and has forgiven him. There is also a child involved so to suggest its about the money is far to simplistic.

There are men and women who cheat on their partners all time regardless of wealth etc. I'm sure there are TEF'ers who have cheated on their significant others and wouldn't hesitate in doing it again. It can stem from being in a collapsing relationship and it can also be a mentality thing, those I know who have cheated on their girlfriends/wives simply shrug their behaviour off as 'one of those things'.

Johnson has seemingly taken his arrogance too far and will pay the price.

I bet the Sunderland player liaison officer said, "you're on your own here buddy, this is above my pay grade" when Johnson told them.

But not too many who'd knowingly do so with a 15 year old, at least I hope. I know you aren't defending him, but it brings it into a whole new morale argument doesn't it? Beyond arrogance/simple cheating into something far more sinister and disturbing.

Incidentally, does " sexual activity with a child" cover actual sex - or would that be a different charge?

Whilst there might be some truth in the theory, I think our perception of this gets massively skewed by the media, seeing as they only print the sensational stories...

What he said,  if you read the Secret Footballer book, he talks about it in detail

My point was indeed a side point from the Adam Johnson's crime.

Stupid man. How did it all come to the hands of the police? Did the girl go to the police with her family? I think they will sentence him to some hard prison time to make an example of the guy, personally I feel he should get no worse than these gang members who groom and exploit young girls in places like Rotherham, Birmingham and Oxford.

Looks like he is writing for the Mail now.. 

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I got told stories of our lot on a tour of Ireland during the McMahon era. They were all at it.
I doubt that's changed. I'd guess it's got more common with the wage explosion.

Girls are a lot more forward nowadays. Footballers on huge money will have girls throwing themselves at them, literally.
Buy them some drinks, get your end away then back home in the morning. That's how they roll.

There's no way they now look like that without some cosmetic surgery.  Their face shape is now totally different.

In terms of Adam Johnson, he hasn't really got any defence, which is why he obviously pleaded guilty.  Actually, why is a trial taking place if he pleaded guilty or are these additional charges?

I feel really sorry for his girlfriend.  Regardless of why she's stuck by him, it must be pretty shit and demeaning listening to all the detail in court.

Aren't there several charges?

He's pleaded giulty to some and not guilty to others... I thought...

He's pleaded guilty to kissing her and grooming (via whatsapp) but not the sexual activity. The Court reports on Friday indicate something took place in the car that was more than just kissing. By pleading not guilty, he's also forcing the girl to give evidence. The Judge will undoubtedly take this into account when sentencing. I think he will get 2 years or more. And career over at 28.

I think she told her Mum who took it to the police.

With regards to the offence, "sexual activity" is actually a pretty broad term in UK law when it comes to those under 16 (but over 13). I won't go into detail, but kissing could indeed count.

Lifted from the story in the Mirror.. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/adam-johnson-read-31-whatsapp-7359991

'He pleaded guilty to child grooming and one count of sexual activity - namely, kissing the young girl - on the first day of trial on Wednesday.

Johnson, 28, denies two counts of sexual activity - involving penetration - with a child.'

She's seen the light and dumped him...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35659406

Steven Fletcher was due to testify about the length of Adam Johnson's pubic hair

She's seen the light and dumped him...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35659406


Good girl!  :bye:

Found not guilty on first charge.....

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-35711213

And guilty on the second....

Heartbreaking all round.

7 years i reckon

I was thinking 5 actually. But who knows.
Some prison football teams are probably getting pretty excited either way.

I doubt that very much. Unless of course nonces have their own prison league.

He's almost certainly a step above most in terms of ability and he's not the worst of the worst when it comes to "nonces" per the system. They'd pick him.

He's not exactly your Jimmy Savile grade nonce.

Indeed.
But he'd be shit at football anyway :)

Just to be pedantic, I don't think you can be a nonce until you're banged up for a sex crime. As far as a I know Savile was never convicted of anything and even less done time for such.

Ergo, Johnson who presumably will get a custodial sentence is more of a nonce than Savile?

"nonce" is not the De Rigueur term in the prison I work at, but I can assure you that the term/it's analogous epithets are applied (by inmates, at least) regardless of conviction or legal status.

At the risk of copping more abuse, I can't be the only one who thinks 5-10yrs for fingering a (willing) 15yo is a bit harsh. Can I?

Yes he's obviously a complete fucktard, and he's got to do some time, but that's a seriously long stint.

*reaches for tin hat*

No, I agree with you Dave.

You do seriously need a tin hat.

For what it is worth and being who I am (!) it is harsh as fifteen is very close to sixteen. If two fifteen year olds have sex then it is not illegal as they are both under the age of consent (I believe). From the other direction, he is what, 28? That is just stupid. If he wanted a young bit of stuff there must be plenty of eighteen year olds who would part their thighs at the drop of a name for him. Not a problem at all. Well, unless you are Nile.

A year in clink would be my sentence

If you can't do the time don't do the crime...I know a kiddy who was 19, did it with a 15 year old, got 2 years. A Town fan, not the brightest, his excuse, probably quite rightly, didn't realise there was an age of consent.

Johnson, was 27 or so, knew what he was doing, took a chance on jailbait, and lost. Time to face the consequences.

Let's face it, Adam Johnson is not exactly intelligent or educated, is he? 
1. He had to google the age of consent in his own country.
2. He then chose to ignore it.
Deserves everything he's got coming to him, in my opinion.

Usually I kind of see what you are saying but looking at the messages etc she wasn't like that at all.He clearly groomed her

Johnson was more than a chancer - he was additionally in a position of trust vis a vis the young fan, not exactly akin to a doctor: patient relationship but with some additional responsibility given an additional vulnerability of the 15 year old fan.  

For me, it's about age difference when it comes to "children" and also at that sort of age, how equal or not is the relationship.

In terms of the illegality, young women mature at different ages. For the law to specify an age is really random and Ibrahimovic could legally lay all the 15 year old Parisiennes he liked as that is the age of consent there.  Can't imagine that's what one would want for one's own daughter if one paid for a mascot experience at PSG?

2 years for your 19 year old sounds very harsh indeed to me but even then the circumstances must be relevant.  The precious child doesn't overnight on her 16th birthday leave childhood to become adult.  I believe Canadian law reflects some of these nuances.

They have "Romeo and Juliet" laws in the states too. Not sure of the exact ins and outs, but I think if two underage kids are in a relationship and one becomes legal, they would be protected by the law. I'm pretty sure nothing like this exists in the UK, but I'd like to think common sense would prevail in most cases.

As wrong as AJ is, the 15 year old is hardly an innocent party in all this.

Probably not the best turn of phrase in this situation!

It's incredibly difficult to comment if one hasn't sat through the trial, the exchanges of texts seem to suggest that the lass had an idea of what was going one, yet (understandably) the prosecution and subsequent statements seem to have suggested she was a naive and innocent convent girl? Equally the jury didn't believe certain parts of her story anyway, hence the non-guilty finding to the second charge.

Ultimately I get the impression that Johnson is extremely immature and too much too young and all that! In no way does it constitute any excuse, but the fact that he even had to look up the age of consent thing suggests at best incredibly naive and most likely incredibly stupid.

Um, yes she is.
Fuck me, people making excuses for a man who was nearly 30 grooming and taking advantage of a child. I should be surprised but I'm not unfortunately.

If she's not innocent, what's she guilty of? Even if she gave him the come on, stripped naked in front of him and made all the running (Which she didn't) she was 15. He knew she was 15 and therefore out of bounds.

Sport on herthab.

There will always be an argument that the age of consent is arbitrary: it has to be, really, otherwise it'd have to be abolished all together. The disturbing part of his conduct transcends that arbitrary line.

He manipulated someone much younger than him. Whether consciously or not, he had a power over her and he used it in order to gain sexual gratification. That is fundamentally WRONG. Imagine if it was your daughter, for god's sake.

Also, a lot of people who have relationships with underage people are very immature. But being thick and naive is never used as an excuse for any other crime, is it? "Oh you robbed a bank, but because you're a fucking idiot we should give you a lesser sentence." It's a ridiculous argument. Particularly when, as mentioned, he googled the bloody age of consent, so he can hardly claim ignorance of the fact!

He's in to be sentenced today...

https://twitter.com/JoshHalliday

He's also appealing it:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/adam-johnson-appeal-child-sex-conviction-sexual-activity-a6949681.html

BBC feed makes interesting reading if psychology is your thing... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-england-tyne-35886058

I dont get this whole "Stripped of his 12 England Caps" It doesn't really change the fact he did play for England 12 times...

Also, if i was AJ i would tell my sister to simmer down with the cringy "he's innocent" appeals.

Not really sure a) how you can 'ban' someone from the internet or b) why this is needed as I don't recall any suggestion that the Internet was a specific matter in the case.

The whole thing is becoming a circus, with so many parties using it to promote their own aims I feel very sorry for the lass (the victim not AJ sister).

We have certain parts of the media using it salaciously to illustrate that football is morally lost and that the players earn too much (thereby justifying their earlier obsession with the issue) and this coinciding with the Evans appeal is just heaven for them.

The various 'statements' attributed to the victim and being released throughout the trial seemed unnecessary, especially as it was obvious that they had not been written by the poor lass, it did seem strange that they seemed to be trying to influence the trial externally which I didn't think was really allowed.

Now we have his sister wittering on and the NSPCC getting involved (who should rightly do so but does it really need this publicity) - I fear the poor girl is being used and let down by so many different people and organisations to serve their own agendas, many who should know a damn sight better!

Anyway hopefully will calm down now the sentencing is done (or will be shortly) and she can try to rebuild her life in peace.

Here we go...

' "All of this is entirely your own responsibility and fault," the judge tells Johnson as he gears up to sentence him '

6 years

so he'll be out in 3

And then sign for Oldham.

I almost put this

In comparison to other sentences for other crimes this seems utterly ridiculous. If he wasn't a footballer would this have been the same?

More details:

It can now be reported that former Sunderland winger #AdamJohnson was also arrested for possession of extreme pornography involving animals

Yes. The sentencing guidelines for the crimes he was convicted of are 5-10 years. He got the lower end of the scale.

If you think the sentencing guidelines for paedophilia are too harsh, then that's an opinion you're entitled to, but Johnson hasn't been dealt with more harshly than you or I in the same situation.

Didn't a local woman recently get away with having sexual activity with an 12(?) year old boy?

Indeed that Jeremy Forrest chap, who eloped with from a school with a 15 year old, a few years ago got 5 1/2 years.

Obviously each case is different and in 99% of cases I would hope they had their dicks chopped off or put down. My opinion on this case is that 6 years is too much. Iv seen countless stories in the news where people have done a lot worse with kids and received less.

The Sun online (trust them!) has some pretty horrendous details on their web page!

How can he be 'innocent' when he pleaded guilty on two of the charges? Stupid cow !!

a certain website will be getting a few extra hits, they must have name droped them 5 times in that article.

Is that a Tansmedia exclusive?

Nope, reporting restrictions now lifted so lots coming out.

Salacious bollocks innit? Who cares if he's got an STD or if he's cheated. If anything those things go against the idea that he's a paedophile.

Still, as chubbs said, at least some people have a new website to look at tonight.

The NSPCC letter has really annoyed me, not just because I dislike the NSPCC generally, but it really is nonsense. They seem to be equating the fact that he was allowed to continue work (before the trial! I.e. Innocent) as brushing child cruelty under the carpet. Fuck them.

The Sun have also basically revealed to the nation that there's a good chance his ex has STD's also.

Treatable ones though

I dunno. If he's thick enough to have had to google the age of consent there's a chance the "std medicine" they found might have been a bag of magic beans.

As if the poor woman hasn't been through enough.

Worth the risk.

Not sure why animal pornography is illegal? You can go out into the countryside at any time and see cows and sheep at it, why is filming that illegal?

Something you'd like to confess there, horlock? Not Welsh are you?  :hmmm:

I haven't looked up the material in question, but isn't the issue usually a human being erm... involved?

I think/hope he was joking !

Too much eh? How many kids do you have to formulate this expert opinion? If the shithead was in my world it wouldn't have gone to court...

Only caught a 30 second clip on the TV news from the NSPCC, so you are doubtless right about the letter.  Innocent until proven guilty and all that. 

For me, it is not so much whether Johnson should have been in work or not (but Sunderland could have suspended him on full pay) but firstly that it turned out just before the trial that he was after all by his own admission, guilty of two charges, and then after the trial, that he was found guilty of two further charges.

This young girl/woman has therefore (predictably) had to suffer the "slag" type comments on a national scale as well as the usual offensive social media put downs from Johnson's friends and supporters over a long period - all whilst Johnson would have known the true background.

Johnson's right to be innocent until proved guilty is unquestionable but his decision to exercise that right has in this case significantly compounded the damage to his victim.

And part of the problem people seem to have with Sunderland is that Johnson told them what he did, well some of it, but they let him play because he said he would be pleading not guilty to it, which he then flipped on at trial.  Sunderland therefore knew he was actually guilty but used his choice to plead not guilty as a way of making it seem like it was alright.

In terms of sentence, he got the lower end based on the offences he was guilty of.  It would be interesting to see which cases people think got off lightly in that event?  More likely is that people compare it to different charge are offences that weren't proved but part of a trial where lesser charges were.  There may also be mitigating circumstances but in this case it seems the judge saw none - hence the reference to his predatory nature rather than any predilection to children as such.

Jump down off your horse. I clearly put in comparison to other well publicised cases including ones recently in local news that others have also referred to. The variation in sentencing lengths is the issue. I still can't believe you can kill someone with intent and be out in 20 years.

Most recently this one was all over social media and the news

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/teaching-assist-spared-jail-despite-6848058 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/teaching-assist-spared-jail-despite-6848058)

A teaching assistant who was spared jail for having sex with a 15-year-old student has had her sentence quashed.

Caroline Berriman, 30, was allowed to walk free from court despite admitting charges of sexual activity with a child, and sexual activity with a child by a person in a position of trust.

But today her suspended sentence was quashed and she was locked up for two years after the Court of Appeal decided it was too lenient.

The victim, now 17, claimed the pair had sex up to 50 times.

It's not just sex crimes. Women regularly get away with shorter sentences and fewer convictions than men.

http://www.law.umich.edu/newsandinfo/features/Pages/starr_gender_disparities.aspx

I think in that case she plead d guilty to two counts of the same charge as Johnson but the third one was different, grooming being the one that Johnson was guilty of.  The boy then publically told his story where it seems much juicier but that wasn't the charges she faced.

I believe that there is some research that shows the general public are more likely to suggest lower sentences than judges when presented with case facts.  It is is mainly that we hear more about the ones that are deemed lenient.

Bloody hell, that was quite a session.

Serious question. Would you make that joke if the victim was female?

Please tell me you're not an MRA.

Had to Google that also.

I've met John, he's definitely not a Magnetic Resonance Angiogram.

Ha.

I did exactly the same and came to the same conclusion. Although I've not met him, you can call it a hunch.

Because I don't see the funny side of sexual abuse on a male? Bizarre.

It was a question. "No" is okay ;)

I saw a story posted yesterday that a guy in bath had pleaded guilty to the rape of a 13 year old girl at knifepoint. He got 6 and a half years.
Surely based on Johnson's sentence he should have got much longer

Had a little dig around and reckon the grooming charge may well have been a big factor int the sentence.  Guideline is a minimum of 2 years if intention includes to have sex and given the evidence that has been reported on abouth the potential for having an STD, that is listed as an aggravating facor for a judge considering length of sentence.  I would guess this is seen as a serious offence in it's own right.

Even the doctor for the prosecution acknowledged that Johnson isn't a deviant or a paedophile didn't he?

6 years for fingering a willing 15 year old is mental.

Grooming means she wasn't seen as willing, on top of being legally incapable of providing consent

If you read the whatsapp messages he sent he was a conniving cunt. A lot more to it than an impromptu hookup.

Think you will find the Judge gave him a lot harder sentence as he did not plead guilty till two weeks before the trial. If he had pleaded earlier he could have saved the victim months of anguish.

"Please tell me you're not an MRA." is a statement.

you really are genuinely fucking stupid aren't you.

Sorry then, I did have a bit to drink yesterday. It was traumatic.

Obviously I don't find it funny either.