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Title: All our yesterdays
Post by: Skinny Pete on Saturday, November 7, 2015, 12:46:40
Just watching 'Uddersfield v Leeds and what popped into my head was going to see us away at Huddersfield's old ground (can't remember what it was called - old git syndrome), think it was a Tuesday evening, probably League Cup and we thumped them 6-0 (probably).


I see club's like that - along with the likes of Watford and Reading - and it hits home just how far we've been left behind.

Just when did we have that one chance to really kick on as a club?

Just checked it was 1-4. Deary me!


Title: Re: All our yesterdays
Post by: Batch on Saturday, November 7, 2015, 12:55:30
Leeds Road?


Title: Re: All our yesterdays
Post by: Skinny Pete on Saturday, November 7, 2015, 12:57:57
That's it.

Thank you, young man


Title: Re: All our yesterdays
Post by: Batch on Saturday, November 7, 2015, 13:03:50
young. I wish.


Title: Re: All our yesterdays
Post by: lambourn red on Saturday, November 7, 2015, 13:05:43
Just watching 'Uddersfield v Leeds and what popped into my head was going to see us away at Huddersfield's old ground (can't remember what it was called - old git syndrome), think it was a Tuesday evening, probably League Cup and we thumped them 6-0 (probably).


I see club's like that - along with the likes of Watford and Reading - and it hits home just how far we've been left behind.

Just when did we have that one chance to really kick on as a club?

Just checked it was 1-4. Deary me!

I went to that game as well, I think Duncan Shearer scored a hat trick.


Title: Re: All our yesterdays
Post by: ahounsell on Monday, November 9, 2015, 12:01:27
Video below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygdSQd8aIlk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygdSQd8aIlk)

Proper old school ground, Leeds Road. The move to the new stadium is a big part of the answer to why clubs like that (and Reading etc...) have left us behind though.


Title: Re: All our yesterdays
Post by: Combe Down on Monday, November 9, 2015, 12:25:20
We beat 'udders 6-0 in a League game on a Tuesday night one year. I chose to go to Level 3 to watch a gig instead!

Although STFC lost 0-1 to 'udders in San Antonio, Ibiza under Wise we topped the group table and took home the Copa Ibiza.


Title: Re: All our yesterdays
Post by: 4D on Monday, November 9, 2015, 12:28:29
http://youtu.be/YTaWayUE5XA


Title: Re: All our yesterdays
Post by: Ardiles on Monday, November 9, 2015, 12:45:37
The 6-0 scoreline came in a League game at home at the start of the 1996/97 season.  I remember the game well.  Every time we went forward, you felt a goal was coming.

STFC 6-0 Huddersfield (Oct 1996) (http://swindon-town-fc.co.uk/MatchCentre.asp?MatchID=19970112)

As to the original question: why have we been left behind?  We've been a financial basket case for decades and, during all that time, have never had an owner strategically committed to taking us up a level.  The lack of progress in terms of ground redevelopment is testament to that.  We are one of an increasingly small band of clubs that have done nothing of any note to their grounds since the time of the Taylor Report.  A lick of paint here, a new partition wall in the Winner's lounge, bolt a few extra seats on to some old terracing...that's the Swindon way.  Sticking plaster, at best.

We're living hand to mouth, season by season.  Lee Power may, in time, move things forward but he's building from the bottom (focusing on training facilities etc.), and slowly.  Only time will tell if his legacy will be any different to previous owners who have, at best, had us treading water for a few seasons.


Title: Re: All our yesterdays
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 9, 2015, 12:49:00
The 6-0 scoreline came in a League game at home at the start of the 1996/97 season.  I remember the game well.  Every time we went forward, you felt a goal was coming.

STFC 6-0 Huddersfield (Oct 1996) (http://swindon-town-fc.co.uk/MatchCentre.asp?MatchID=19970112)

As to the original question: why have we been left behind?  We've been a financial basket case for decades and, during all that time, have never had an owner strategically committed to taking us up a level.  The lack of progress in terms of ground redevelopment is testament to that.  We are one of an increasingly small band of clubs that have done nothing of any note to their grounds since the time of the Taylor Report.  A lick of paint here, a new partition wall in the Winner's lounge, bolt a few extra seats on to some old terracing...that's the Swindon way.  Sticking plaster, at best.

We're living hand to mouth, season by season.  Lee Power may, in time, move things forward but he's building from the bottom (focusing on training facilities etc.), and slowly.  Only time will tell if his legacy will be any different to previous owners who have, at best, had us treading water for a few seasons.

And yet it wasn't so long ago that you said this....
 
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But a club like ours - with the relative resources we have at our disposal compared with most at this level - we have to aim at the top 6 every season.  No ifs or buts.  We're long overdue a stint in the 2nd tier now.


Title: Re: All our yesterdays
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, November 9, 2015, 12:49:24
The 6-0 scoreline came in a League game at home at the start of the 1996/97 season.  I remember the game well.  Every time we went forward, you felt a goal was coming.

STFC 6-0 Huddersfield (Oct 1996) (http://swindon-town-fc.co.uk/MatchCentre.asp?MatchID=19970112)

As to the original question: why have we been left behind?  We've been a financial basket case for decades and, during all that time, have never had an owner strategically committed to taking us up a level.  The lack of progress in terms of ground redevelopment is testament to that.  We are one of an increasingly small band of clubs that have done nothing of any note to their grounds since the time of the Taylor Report.  A lick of paint here, a new partition wall in the Winner's lounge, bolt a few extra seats on to some old terracing...that's the Swindon way.  Sticking plaster, at best.

We're living hand to mouth, season by season.  Lee Power may, in time, move things forward but he's building from the bottom (focusing on training facilities etc.), and slowly.  Only time will tell if his legacy will be any different to previous owners who have, at best, had us treading water for a few seasons.

For Swindon Town read Swindon town.


Title: Re: All our yesterdays
Post by: Ardiles on Monday, November 9, 2015, 13:12:35
You're implying that the two posts contradict each other, Reg, but I don't think they do.  I'm bemoaning a lack of strategic vision for the club over a sustained period - which has led to a sustained period during which we have been punching below our weight.  We are better resourced - and significantly so - than many of the clubs we have been scrapping with for years now in Div 3 & Div 4.  With astute management and a proper strategic plan, we will one day make that advantage tell.  If you were to draw up a list of clubs who had underperformed consistently and had pottential to raise themselves up from their present level in the medium term, we'd be near the top of it.


Title: Re: All our yesterdays
Post by: Skinny Pete on Monday, November 9, 2015, 13:20:00
Video below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygdSQd8aIlk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygdSQd8aIlk)

Proper old school ground, Leeds Road. The move to the new stadium is a big part of the answer to why clubs like that (and Reading etc...) have left us behind though.
What a pen save by Hammond!

Oh, for a Kerslake now!


Title: Re: All our yesterdays
Post by: Tails on Monday, November 9, 2015, 13:33:23
A fully co-operative council would have helped us kick on, they've done little to properly support the club. I know the Trust, years ago, had a proposal that showed Swansea as an example of council and club working together (although they had more incentive for a new arena what with the rugby club in the City too).

Even if we did get a shiny new stadium with lovely new facilities, half of our fan base would complain at the lack of a soul anyway. The apathy of the Town towards its own football club is hardly surprising given the apathy of it's own fans. To be honest though, the whole Town needs a massive kick up the backside.


Title: Re: All our yesterdays
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, November 9, 2015, 13:52:27
You're implying that the two posts contradict each other, Reg, but I don't think they do.  I'm bemoaning a lack of strategic vision for the club over a sustained period - which has led to a sustained period during which we have been punching below our weight.  We are better resourced - and significantly so - than many of the clubs we have been scrapping with for years now in Div 3 & Div 4.  With astute management and a proper strategic plan, we will one day make that advantage tell.  If you were to draw up a list of clubs who had underperformed consistently and had pottential to raise themselves up from their present level in the medium term, we'd be near the top of it.

Have you ever considered a career in politics.

You correctly outline how things are in today's post, but previously insisted we should be pushing for promotion every season.

So, let me get this right, you think that we are in a group of 48 clubs who've been left behind and are near of the top of those for potential?

But surely if as you say we're living hand to  mouth season by season, than what is happening this season is always a likely prospect....which is why over the period you're talking about I have classified us as  a Div 3/4 yo-yo club.


Title: Re: All our yesterdays
Post by: Ardiles on Monday, November 9, 2015, 14:44:23
The point that I'm making - and that you're choosing to ignore (deliberately or otherwise) - is that the reason we are 'living hand to mouth' is down to systemic, long-term financial mismanagement.  Were we not the basket case I referred to earlier (a point you agree with), we would have achieved significantly more during our recent history.

If the management of the club's affairs was better managed then, yes, of the 48 lower league clubs I do believe that we are near the top in terms of potential.  I would illustrate the point by asking which, of the other 47 clubs who have also been consistently outside of the upper 2 divisions during the last 15 years, attract larger crowds than we do.  I do not have the answer...but it's not many.  Conversely, there are a great many clubs with smaller fanbases than ours that have graced those top 2 divisions since we last did in 1999/2000.

I don't think the points I'm making are particularly controversial.

And no, I've never considered a career in politics, thanks.


Title: Re: All our yesterdays
Post by: Skinny Pete on Wednesday, November 18, 2015, 19:08:06
Watched an oldish youtube video of us v Ipswich.

Can't for the life of me remember why away fans were given the Town End and we were stuffed onto the Bank.

What the fuck was all that about?