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Title: Cooper Out
Post by: Oxfordhater on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 15:15:06
Enough is Enough. Time to get rid.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Skinny Pete on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 15:58:15
If Power is happy to see Cooper carry on I aint going any more.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Oxfordhater on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:00:11
Top to bottom we need a shake up.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Levi lapper on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:01:11
Yeah bring in Maurice malpas, he'd do wonders with our squad of injured players


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:02:43
what we really need is Steve Lomas


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Oxfordhater on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:11:27
Yeah bring in Maurice malpas, he'd do wonders with our squad of injured players

He really wouldn't. Pointless post.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: DiV on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:20:11
I wouldn't get your hopes up.
Powers model isn't reliant on results. If Cooper can keep brining through players to sell for profit - he'll stay in a job.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Quagmire on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:22:02
Williams, Stewart, Obika, Thomas, Robert, Turnbull, Kasim and Thompson.
There are some fucking good players in that list, it doesn't matter what club you manage or what manager you are, it's going to be hard when you have 8 if not more first team players out.
Yes it's shit, yes we aren't playing well, but we have been unable to get a settled team since the beginning of he season due to shit luck.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: jimbob on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:23:54
He really wouldn't. Pointless post.
Ironic


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Red and Proud on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:25:32
Ironic
couldn't agree more


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: 4D on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:26:58
I wouldn't get your hopes up.
Powers model isn't reliant on results. If Cooper can keep brining through players to sell for profit - he'll stay in a job.

Pointless being a fan if that's the only plan.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Kinky Tom on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:27:57
I just fail to see what another manager is going to be able to do with all these players unavailable? It really isn't all his fault that we've been shit out of luck with players not being available so often.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: STFCFORLIFE on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:29:28
We've been shit since January though, so he needs to go.


Title: Re: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Ironside on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:30:24
I just fail to see what another manager is going to be able to do with all these players unavailable? It really isn't all his fault that we've been shit out of luck with players not being available so often.
We've been shitbag since March.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Kinky Tom on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:33:23
But what would be the point in bringing a new man in with only half a squad to choose from? Fans would be on his back well before the squad would be at its strongest.  Would just be a totally pointless exercise


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: DiV on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:34:11
Pointless being a fan if that's the only plan.

I somewhat concur.
 You'd hope once our finances are settled and consistently good for a few years -we'd look to push on.
Just my opinion but I think short term Power will be great, he will be sensible and balance the books but it will stifle any on pitch progression. In the perfect world you'd have Power get us balanced then have someone else come along will to invest 'properly' for want of a better term.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: dogs on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:35:40
Time to go. Not a lot else to say regarding Cooper.

We look bottom of the league material.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Ells on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:38:31
But what would be the point in bringing a new man in with only half a squad to choose from? Fans would be on his back well before the squad would be at its strongest.  Would just be a totally pointless exercise

Yep.
Cooper has his hands tied both by the arrangement with Power and by the current injuries/selection issues. I can't see how a new manager is going to fix these.

I think a lot of people, if they really think about it, want Cooper out because they want something to change, not because they specifically want rid of him. Which is fair enough.. But not a solution.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:39:29
Sorry but Cooper had to go.

Injury wise- Obika now is out for 4 weeks. There is something really wrong and some of these injuries are wholly avoidable.

We look relegation fodder. Sack him now to give a new man time


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Kinky Tom on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:41:15
Please explain how these injuries are avoidable?  Be specific too


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:41:53
Mark needs a chance to turn things around when our squad of crocks start returning to fitness - which should hopefully be soon.  He has earned that at least.

I agree that recent results are not good enough and would also concede that he should now be looking over his shoulder.  He's in 'turn things around during the next few games' territory.  Not quite there yet.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Outletred on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:43:20
Some of the injuries occur due to lack of correct training and fitness.

The number we have is farcical- Power should be asking serious questions


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Oxfordhater on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:45:59
When you have just as many injured players as fit players questions need to be asked. Not acceptable.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: woolster on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:46:49
Mark needs a chance to turn things around when our squad of crocks start returning to fitness - which should hopefully be soon.  He has earned that at least.

I agree that recent results are not good enough and would also concede that he should now be looking over his shoulder.  He's in 'turn things around during the next few games' territory.  Not quite there yet.
agree with this, wait till we have a full squad, give him 5 games and see where we are, whatever happens we can kiss goodbye to a playoff final at Wembley :sherlock:


Title: Re:
Post by: sonicyouth on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:47:17
Henning Berg has just been sacked from Legia Warsaw. We could have preseason in Lillestrøm.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Kinky Tom on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:48:04
Some of the injuries occur due to lack of correct training and fitness.

The number we have is farcical- Power should be asking serious questions

That's not going to cut it I'm afraid, please in your obvious medical expert point of view explain this in detail


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: jimbob on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:49:55
When you have just as many injured players as fit players questions need to be asked. Not acceptable.
I've got an idea.Why don't you head to the training ground on Monday and ask these 'questions' you speak of.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Batch on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:50:57
whatever happens we can kiss goodbye to a playoff final at Wembley :sherlock:

every cloud...


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: 4D on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:54:27
agree with this, wait till we have a full squad, give him 5 games and see where we are, whatever happens we can kiss goodbye to a playoff final at Wembley :sherlock:

It's ok, we still have the JPT league /fa cup final to look forward to.


Title: Re:
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 16:59:36
Henning Berg has just been sacked from Legia Warsaw. We could have preseason in Lillestrøm.

Probably paying the price for binning off Henrik Ojamaa.

I wonder if it's just coincidence that injuries seem to have increased since going to Calne for training.  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Oxfordhater on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 17:04:50
I've got an idea.Why don't you head to the training ground on Monday and ask these 'questions' you speak of.

No that's a shit idea. It's bad enough watching them on a Saturday afternoon let alone training.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 17:11:16
I do feel for Cooper given the number of players we have out injured, but sticking to the same rigid slow 3-5-2 and trying to screw horn players into this formation when you haven't got the players to fit the formation is Barmy. Today Louis Thompson was rb and ajose kind of right wing. Why not change the formation and play the players in their comfortable positions.

Why is the tempo only at an acceptable level when we are 2-0 down?


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 17:26:07
Some of the injuries occur due to lack of correct training and fitness.


Cooper should visit the TEF for advice, it seems we have a resident expert.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 17:37:15
Come on, blaming injuries on our training methods is a bit silly isn't it? Who the hell knows what we are doing in training? All teams go through an injury crisis, it's part and parcel of sports teams in general.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: ronnie21 on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 17:41:08
Cooper should visit the TEF for advice, it seems we have a resident expert.
pmsl


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Paolo69 on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 17:43:55
It's the modern mentality. It used to just be bad luck now some people have to blame someone. We were probably lucky last season with injuries. I highly doubt we're doing anything much different this year. Unless our resident expert can tell me different obviously?!


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: SuperBosnian on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 17:44:15
Deserves until the end of the month to turn it around.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Bob's Orange on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 17:44:50
MARK Cooper spoke to the media after Town's 2-1 home defeat to Peterborough United.

On the result...
I thought we did well with the team we cobbled together. I didn’t think we deserved to lose but you can't legislate for the second goal - that gives them something to hang on to. Ben Gladwin came in and added a lot to us. He could have scored three or four goals. For the first 20 minutes we got him in-and-around the box and with a bit more quality on the shots we could have easily scored. We got done by a sucker punch then in the second half we had a right go and deserved something out of the game. We just needed one more bit of quality. We had loads of opportunities to pull the trigger and it didn’t quite happen.

On injuries...
Jon Obika was in the team and got a bad injury yesterday morning so we had to change the team. He failed a fitness test before kick off. He got a bad kick in training and he’ll be out for a few weeks. We’ve got a lot of players unavailable and until we get them back its going to be hard.

On debutant, Adam El-Abd...
I thought he was good competed well and he is what he is hes a good defender. HI’m sure he’ll do well in his loan spell at the club.

On Louis THompson playing at right-back...
He was probably the only player that could play right back today. I spoke to him last night and he said "I'll play. I want to give it a go." He did great then when he went into midfield he was very good.

On the support...
I thought they were brilliant. The boys got a round of applause at the end. If you lose and put in the effort they understand that and appreciated the effort today.

Looking ahead...
Its difficult but you come back to the fact you have so many of your better players unavailable we somehow have got to scramble a result from somewhere. We need people back fit. It’s simple.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Paul Mason on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 18:16:22
Seriously why do people keep going on about these injuries being down to training, calne etc Brad Barry took a blow to his head, Fabien Robert got kicked at Blackpool and came off and today it was said that Obika was caught late by a player in training, if i recall correctly kevin Stewart hurt his knee in a tackle in a game and something similar for Jordan Williams, so really the only muscle type injuries were/are Nathan Thompson and Wes Thomas.

If a player gets injured in a tackle how is that avoidable?! It simply does just appear to be bad luck that they all seem to have come at the same time. I guess people will be saying its the clubs fault Kasim and Thompson have been on international duty and missed game!  :eek:


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: woolster on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 18:30:09
Seriously why do people keep going on about these injuries being down to training, calne etc Brad Barry took a blow to his head, Fabien Robert got kicked at Blackpool and came off and today it was said that Obika was caught late by a player in training, if i recall correctly kevin Stewart hurt his knee in a tackle in a game and something similar for Jordan Williams, so really the only muscle type injuries were/are Nathan Thompson and Wes Thomas.

If a player gets injured in a tackle how is that avoidable?! It simply does just appear to be bad luck that they all seem to have come at the same time. I guess people will be saying its the clubs fault Kasim and Thompson have been on international duty and missed game!  :eek:
Thompson played


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 18:36:07
Power buys the players

Williams is in charge of training

Cooper picks the team

I don't think cooper can be blamed much for the way events transpired today. The 11 that played did about as well as they could have done


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Red and Proud on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 18:42:34
Sorry but Cooper had to go.

Injury wise- Obika now is out for 4 weeks. There is something really wrong and some of these injuries are wholly avoidable.

We look relegation fodder. Sack him now to give a new man time
has he gone or not?


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Red and Proud on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 18:44:47
agree with this, wait till we have a full squad, give him 5 games and see where we are, whatever happens we can kiss goodbye to a playoff final at Wembley :sherlock:
Good, doubt to many would be bothered with it this time round.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Jamiesfuturewife on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 18:45:43
Some of the injuries occur due to lack of correct training and fitness.

The number we have is farcical- Power should be asking serious questions

Hahahahahaha the players are training in my gym and I know for a fact my trainer is one of the most knowledgable people in the industry!


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: herthab on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 18:55:27
I wouldn't get your hopes up.
Powers model isn't reliant on results. If Cooper can keep brining through players to sell for profit - he'll stay in a job.
That doesn't really stack up. As Power himself has said, the only way to improve a players value is to improve the player and raise their profile. if he wants to turn a profit on players, they need to be successful. The problem, as I see it, apart from the stupid number of injuries, is the style of play. When it worked last year it was brilliant, but that was with a core group of players who had time to perfect it. This season, with the late signings and constant chopping and changing (mostly enforced) we haven't had that luxury.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: 4D on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 19:03:30
Would it help if we put the goals in front of the DRS and dugout?


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: pauld on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 19:28:10
Would it help if we put the goals in front of the DRS and dugout?
Or just hid them altogether?


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: SleafordRobin on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 19:34:10
It's been said many times on several threads about the injuries, suspension etc as contributors to our poor run, obviously this is having a major impact as it would with any professional outfit.

However, just to put something else out there...  

Our form has dipped considerably since late January, our tactics have become predictable and teams have learnt how to play against us & ultimately beat us, our passing game that gained us a pure football reputation has become our downfall... why? It could be because our manager doesn't really understand it, or believe in it (pre-Swindon he was known for long ball).  Coincidently, Tim Sherwood was recruited by Villa early February, he was widely publicised as a close tactical advisor to Power & Cooper & provider of many of the players that played the system we were promoting, as they had done in the Spurs youth set up. It became natural for Sherwood's kids to play in the way they had been moulded & we were the benefactors.

We are now trying to adopt the same system without Sherwood (or Ferdinand) there to help, Cooper & Williams are trying to continue the style on there own, only now they haven't got the technical players that we had last season, who were bred for that particular style of football & I'm not convinced they have the ability to transform average young talent into technically gifted stars...... not playing the way we are anyway, it just doesn't fit.

I'm not convinced it's time to change the manager, but I'm convinced it's time to change the style we play.  

Football is about results, if Cooper is picking the team & adopting the tactics, then he needs to be able to do this his way, Sherwood & Ferdinand are busy, so try things your own way Cooper, pick a team that's balanced, play your players in their proper positions and play to your strengths.  it might not be popular with everyone but neither is the possession game we're currently playing.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: joteddyred on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 19:52:24
agree with this, wait till we have a full squad, give him 5 games and see where we are, whatever happens we can kiss goodbye to a playoff final at Wembley :sherlock:

Realistically, we're looking at 6 weeks for the bulk of the injured players to be back.  A couple will be even longer.

Add in 5 games or so to see where we are and we're nearly in January.  It worries me that if our poor form continues, it doesn't leave much time for someone to turn it around.

Also couldn't help but notice the difference in the two benches today.  Westley and his no 2/coach were both standing and shouting instructions and constantly conferring.  Williams remained rooted to the bench even when virtually the whole team came over near the end and Cooper was giving out various instructions.  There really seems to be little or no communication between the two.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 20:00:27
Realistically, we're looking at 6 weeks for the bulk of the injured players to be back.  A couple will be even longer.

Add in 5 games or so to see where we are and we're nearly in January.  It worries me that if our poor form continues, it doesn't leave much time for someone to turn it around.

I said earlier that it isn't inevitable we're down, but we've roughly 10 games up til Christmas, keep this form and we'll need title winning form for the second half of the season to stay up. 6 weeks uses up a large chunk of those 10 games, so we have to turn this around with what we've got.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: tans on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 20:44:16
Would it help if we put the goals in front of the DRS and dugout?

Top of the townend


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 20:54:11
Gladwin scored a few last season and can't be match fit. I wouldn't be too harsh.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: tans on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 20:55:01
Yeah qpr fans said he was out of condition after the cardiff game

Played plenty for the u21s though


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 22:28:23
He has to go now imo. The injuries are a factor but the tactics are poor and i feel that the players look like they dont want to play for Coops. If it was me id sack the lot from the manager to the physio. All of them should take some blame for this mess.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Skinny Pete on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 22:50:34
It's been shite well before all the injuries. Why do so many think it's just going to magically turn round?

We're probably good enough to stay up but that's as good as it gets.

Cooper is fucking clueless.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Oxfordhater on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 22:51:28
We should go in for Hasselbaink. Big name, works on a shoe string budget. Now this would be a great appointment.

 I think he would come too.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: tans on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 22:54:54
Costs £ though


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Oxfordhater on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 22:59:17
Yes that's fine. We got £3,000,000 for Gladwin and Luongo.

Oh wait a minute...

He is at Burton Albion at the end of the day, he could force a move from there with the great work he's done.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: tans on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 23:04:31
Why the hell would he want to come here :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Oxfordhater on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 23:15:02
Not an easy answer to that one, but then look at all the other big name managers we've brainwashed over the years.





Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: tans on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 23:17:38
Big names?

Hoddle. Ardiles. Mcmahon. Di Canio
All took the job as the first time in management did they not?

Wilson, Sturrock as they had been sacked from elsewhere


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Oxfordhater on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 23:28:34
I would have taken you seriously but you left Macari off that list and you lost all credibility.

Your right though we always attract big name managers in their first pop at management. Let's Buck the trend and get a manager who's proven, a big name from a small club. Ecactly the sort of appointment we should go for but with the way the setup is I think Power will stick with Cooper no matter what.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: STFCFORLIFE on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 23:34:28
My opinon is if things don't improve quickly and Power persists with Cooper then both Cooper and Power are going to start getting a lot of stick from the fans I think, this can't go on with these very poor results and yes we might have injuries but we could still be getting better results than we have been, I reckon Cooper has lost the dressing room, think he lost it sometime ago.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 00:26:24
I reckon Cooper has lost the dressing room, think he lost it sometime ago.

This would explain why the likes of Jack Stephens, Jordan Turnbull, Louis Thompson, Nicky Ajose and Ben Gladwin opted to come back to the club, so they could have its whereabouts pointed out ot them.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: REDBUCK on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 00:59:53
I do feel for Cooper given the number of players we have out injured, but sticking to the same rigid slow 3-5-2 and trying to screw horn players into this formation when you haven't got the players to fit the formation is Barmy. Today Louis Thompson was rb and ajose kind of right wing. Why not change the formation and play the players in their comfortable positions.

Why is the tempo only at an acceptable level when we are 2-0 down?

1.we didn't start with a rigid 3-5-2 today
2. Thompson filled as right back as the best choice righted footer available in today's squad
3. We changed the formation at half time and the tempo improved at 1-0. We just then gifted them a ridiculous goal.
4. Ajose generally plays on the right and likes to cut in, he also plays off a bigger forward, a player we don't have available.


All this happened today at a game you didn't appear to watch.

Just my view you understand.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: THE FLASH on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 04:26:03
He got the job by default and i (personally) have never liked/rated him...that doesn't count for shit though in greater scheme of things.

My sad assumption is that sacking Cooper wont make any difference.

I just felt the whole team looked like they were playing because they had to yesterday....not because they wanted to.

It's Shit at the minute.....shit.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Combe Down on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 06:27:09
Having seen the last three games I feel we turned a corner today. We were more positive & had more purpose. I would have taken a draw before the game to stop the rot. If it hadn't been for the howler by Vigs we would have got that draw. No time to panic. Let's see where we are after another six League games & how much desire we have in the FA Cup.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: lambourn red on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 07:31:02
He got the job by default and i (personally) have never liked/rated him...that doesn't count for shit though in greater scheme of things.

My sad assumption is that sacking Cooper wont make any difference.

I just felt the whole team looked like they were playing because they had to yesterday....not because they wanted to.

It's Shit at the minute.....shit.


i am normally patient but I think time has come for cooper to go , we need a motivator at the moment. Cooper just does not seem to handle it when things start going against us , yesterday He says we played well but again offer little or no threat on goal surely he can see we need to be quicker in the build up . I am really not enjoying going at the moment because I have a season ticket I am almost just going out of habit rather than actually looking forward to it.
I like powers approach and he has to be commended on reducing the costs but I fear gates are going to slide dramatically unless he acts soon. The biggest frustration for me is how poor this league is this year the team from last season would be running away with it, as fans all we can do is turn up and get behind them booing and getting on the players backs is not the answer .


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: nigel grays a postie on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 08:38:00
Seems like everyone associated with our horrific play off display is suffering something of a reaction not just Cooper, his coaching staff and few remaining players still at the club. Turnbull, LouisT and Gladwin not deemed ready yet for leagues above so back with us, and Byrne and Stephens struggling to get much Championship game time. Williams not exactly flying at Donny or Smith at Barnsley. Wes doing fine at big club but in small league so really only Balloon D'Or nominee Luongo, and possibly Toffolo who has flirted around fringes of Norwich first team, who obviously seem to have got over it.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: joteddyred on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 09:10:30
Seems like everyone associated with our horrific play off display is suffering something of a reaction not just Cooper, his coaching staff and few remaining players still at the club. Turnbull, LouisT and Gladwin not deemed ready yet for leagues above so back with us, and Byrne and Stephens struggling to get much Championship game time. Williams not exactly flying at Donny or Smith at Barnsley. Wes doing fine at big club but in small league so really only Balloon D'Or nominee Luongo, and possibly Toffolo who has flirted around fringes of Norwich first team, who obviously seem to have got over it.

We're all scarred for life!


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Power to people on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 09:21:33
I would like to know what is the point of Cooper being there if Luke Williams now does most of the coaching and power does the recruitment.

It reportedly changed towards the end of last season.

Copper is not going to resign as he has bills to pay and what manager resigns they will miss their pay off.

We need a shake up of the coaching staff, if Williams is coaching then he is surely coaching them to play a certain way and style, so why does he not put his balls on the line and pick the team and tactics.  Why power has decided this I'd love to know as it leaves Cooper as the odd man out really just there to take the stick from fans when things go wrong and if it is going well it is down to the players brought on and how they are being improved on the training ground.

Its time for change but not change for changes sake, lets get a manager that is in charge of everything and has a say in players being brought in, not necessarily final say but not given players that are not really needed.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 09:30:50
We should go in for Hasselbaink. Big name, works on a shoe string budget. Now this would be a great appointment.

 I think he would come too.

They've already turned down an approach from a Championship club. If he's going anywhere, it'll be the Championship.


Title: Cooper Out
Post by: Batch on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 09:43:59
Quote
I would like to know what is the point of Cooper being there if Luke Williams now does most of the coaching and power does the recruitment.

It reportedly changed towards the end of last season.
it did? who reported that?

in any case could be that Williams doesn't like being in the public eye. cooper is pretty good at that..

power says cooper picks the team, makes the subs, etc.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Oxfordhater on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 09:54:43
They've already turned down an approach from a Championship club. If he's going anywhere, it'll be the Championship.

Yes that club being Rotherham United.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 10:05:40
if Williams does so much with the team - and in some peoples view was seen as the brains behind the outfit - then surely he must cop his fair share of the criticism?


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Skinny Pete on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 10:09:10
Perhaps Power is waiting for his co-owner to hang up his boots at Everton before giving it a go at managing.



Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 11:25:47
I would like to know what is the point of Cooper being there if Luke Williams now does most of the coaching and power does the recruitment.

It reportedly changed towards the end of last season.

Copper is not going to resign as he has bills to pay and what manager resigns they will miss their pay off.

We need a shake up of the coaching staff, if Williams is coaching then he is surely coaching them to play a certain way and style, so why does he not put his balls on the line and pick the team and tactics.  Why power has decided this I'd love to know as it leaves Cooper as the odd man out really just there to take the stick from fans when things go wrong and if it is going well it is down to the players brought on and how they are being improved on the training ground.

Its time for change but not change for changes sake, lets get a manager that is in charge of everything and has a say in players being brought in, not necessarily final say but not given players that are not really needed.
So why not put Cooper in charge of everything and let him have a say etc ...


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 11:52:27
Yep.
Cooper has his hands tied both by the arrangement with Power and by the current injuries/selection issues. I can't see how a new manager is going to fix these.

I think a lot of people, if they really think about it, want Cooper out because they want something to change, not because they specifically want rid of him. Which is fair enough.. But not a solution.

This is the most accurate post in this thread IMO.

Those calling for Hasselbaink need to wake up and smell the coffee:
Power will not fork out for a top manager
Power will not fork out compensation
Burton are challenging for the league/promotion
Burton train at St George's park and are in the perfect location to really build the club.
He is at a club where he is in charge
He is at a club where he knows he won't have to rebuild pretty much from scratch every season

The only type of Manager we are likely to get is one that is willing to work under Powers rules, or one that Power trusts enough to let him make the decisions.  So if you want Cooper out, you should be careful what you wish for, because unless there is a Sherwood/Ferdinand/Barry available to be manager you are likely to be disappointed. 




Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Skinny Pete on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 12:03:58
That is one of the most depressing of posts.

You appear to hold out no hope for the future - with or without Cooper.

 It is only hope - or self delusion if you will - that keeps fans coming back. The hope over experience that things will miraculously change.

Cooper/Williams have proven that they are incapable of fashioning even the most basic of defensive shapes so we can be sure that the howlers will continue unabated with them remaining at the helm.

So, really, without change what's the point.


Title: Re: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 12:12:44

The only type of Manager we are likely to get is one that is willing to work under Powers rules, or one that Power trusts enough to let him make the decisions.  So if you want Cooper out, you should be careful what you wish for, because unless there is a Sherwood/Ferdinand/Barry available to be manager you are likely to be disappointed. 

If Cooper goes then the replacement is likely to be someone like Dave Hockaday. He knows the current set up, is close to Cooper and Williams and would be available. His coaching credentials are good but managerial record is more patchy after FGR and the Leeds debacle. Might end up as a do a job until the end of the season appointment if Power decides Cooper has run out of steam


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: blinkpip on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 12:15:40
KING IN!!!



Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Spud on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 12:16:11
If Cooper goes then the replacement is likely to be someone like Dave Hockaday. He knows the current set up, is close to Cooper and Williams and would be available. His coaching credentials are good but managerial record is more patchy after FGR and the Leeds debacle. Might end up as a do a job until the end of the season appointment if Power decides Cooper has run out of steam

He was appointed at Kidderminster the other day.


Title: Re: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Skinny Pete on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 12:16:57
If Cooper goes then the replacement is likely to be someone like Dave Hockaday. He knows the current set up, is close to Cooper and Williams and would be available. His coaching credentials are good but managerial record is more patchy after FGR and the Leeds debacle. Might end up as a do a job until the end of the season appointment if Power decides Cooper has run out of steam
He took over as Kidderminster manager yesterday - thank God!


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Samdy Gray on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 12:19:02
KING IN!!!



I hate to break it to you...


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: StfcRusty on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 12:20:48
KING IN!!!



I fear he may be unavailable


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: JayBox325 on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 12:37:12
That is one of the most depressing of posts.

You appear to hold out no hope for the future - with or without Cooper.

 It is only hope - or self delusion if you will - that keeps fans coming back. The hope over experience that things will miraculously change.

Cooper/Williams have proven that they are incapable of fashioning even the most basic of defensive shapes so we can be sure that the howlers will continue unabated with them remaining at the helm.

So, really, without change what's the point.

You're right. We might as well give up. We are no longer 'supporters', but we shall now be called 'people'.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 12:42:23
if Cooper went and Williams stayed, in my view, nothing much would be different.
If you going to get rid of one, then you have to get rid of both


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: DiV on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 13:32:22
You're right. We might as well give up. We are no longer 'supporters', but we shall now be called 'customers'.

Corrected for you.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Paul Mason on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 13:35:07
Of course nothing would change, as Lee Power stated, he chooses the philosophy and Williams is the one coaching the team


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: JayBox325 on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 14:01:37
Corrected for you.

Much better. Cheers, mate.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 14:07:14
Well things might change if Williams is able to pick the team and formation as well as do team talks. The players seem to like him.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 14:09:47
Well things might change if Williams is able to pick the team and formation as well as do team talks. The players seem to like him.

Players liking the manager, isn't necessary.  I don't suppose many liked PdC, but he delivered results


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 14:11:12
Players liking the manager, isn't necessary.  I don't suppose many liked PdC, but he delivered results

True but they might want to do well for him if he was in charge. Might not be thr same for Coops.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 14:17:30
True but they might want to do well for him if he was in charge. Might not be thr same for Coops.

I think the players see the benefit of Power/Cooper/Williams as being an opportunity to show their worth  and then seal either a lucrative move, or for some like Jordan Turnbull, a lucrative extension to a Prem contract.

Atm, this particular gravy train has hit the buffers....we don't look to have anyone whose value is increasing, so this may have a negative impact on the group.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: pauld on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 17:17:12
I would like to know what is the point of Cooper being there if Luke Williams now does most of the coaching and power does the recruitment.

It reportedly changed towards the end of last season.
Reported where? You keep asserting this as fact, but it's just supposition on your part isn't it? Unless I've missed something?


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 17:26:47
That is one of the most depressing of posts.

You appear to hold out no hope for the future - with or without Cooper.

 It is only hope - or self delusion if you will - that keeps fans coming back. The hope over experience that things will miraculously change.

Cooper/Williams have proven that they are incapable of fashioning even the most basic of defensive shapes so we can be sure that the howlers will continue unabated with them remaining at the helm.

So, really, without change what's the point.

I hold out hope, just not sure whether it's worth getting rid of Cooper unless Power brigs somebody in that will make difference.

Is there anything in my post that you don't agree with?  Obviously apart from what I just posted above, as you have made it clear that you want him gone..


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Skinny Pete on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 17:47:57
No, that's what makes it depressing. If the Power model requires a subservient manager then, yes, what is the point of sacking Cooper.

But most clubs affect change by replacing their manager. Not always successful, I know, but I can't think of any club that doesn't replace their manager once poor results/performances become entrenched.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 17:56:51
I think it would have an initial effect, as usual, but I reckon we could be back in the same boat a few months down the line...


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: herthab on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 18:17:05
Just so I'm following correctly, is the general consensus that Power's model is doomed to failure? Sorry, but his model is EXACTLY the same as last season, when we were 1 GAME away from the Championship!


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Skinny Pete on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 18:19:49
It was successful for half a season. February onwards it's been a disaster on the pitch.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: STFCFORLIFE on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 18:20:02
I still think there's something not right behind the scenes, whether it's all the cooper speculation in the summer, the apparent falling out between Cooper/Williams etc, something doesn't seem right.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: DiV on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 18:25:14
Just so I'm following correctly, is the general consensus that Power's model is doomed to failure? Sorry, but his model is EXACTLY the same as last season, when we were 1 GAME away from the Championship!

My opinion is - it won't provide long term on the pitch success/progression.
Simply put, we will have to rebuild too often to sustain anything. We will put together good teams but they will last a season at best.
Being one game away from the Championship was a fantastic achievement all things considered and much better season than we all expected.
However, that side has broken up. We haven't just sold one player (like Luongo) and they reinvested in the squad. We havn't regrouped, added and tried to go one better.

We've started from scratch and it will be like that every season. We could go from 90 minutes from the Championship one season to 24th the next.

I understand the model works with regards to off field objectives but I don't think it will bring sustained on pitch success....not fact, just opinion.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: woolster on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 18:29:56
My opinion is - it won't provide long term on the pitch success/progression.
Simply put, we will have to rebuild too often to sustain anything. We will put together good teams but they will last a season at best.
Being one game away from the Championship was a fantastic achievement all things considered and much better season than we all expected.
However, that side has broken up. We haven't just sold one player (like Luongo) and they reinvested in the squad. We havn't regrouped, added and tried to go one better.

We've started from scratch and it will be like that every season. We could go from 90 minutes from the Championship one season to 24th the next.

I understand the model works with regards to off field objectives but I don't think it will bring sustained on pitch success....not fact, just opinion.
this


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Skinny Pete on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 18:31:59
I'm still not convinced what Power's main objective is.

If self-sustainability is the prime objective then, yes, it will probably be successful.

If it is on-the-pitch success then, no, I can't see it. Last season was a bit of a freak I think.

I realise there a number of lower league clubs who have very low expectations - we should not be one of them.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: herthab on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 18:35:27
It was successful for half a season. February onwards it's been a disaster on the pitch.
From February until the end of last season we won 7, lost 8 and drew 4 in the league (excluding play off games). Not fantastic, but not a 'disaster'. During this period we also lost Luongo and Kasim to the Asion Cup and they were arguably below par on their return.
Power got us closer to the Championship than any owner has for years and on a sustainable budget. No one likes seeing their side lose, but let's accept there's been quite a few extenuating circumstances.

Maybe we should think about where we'd be if Jed had somehow managed to keep control......


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Skinny Pete on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 18:43:52
My time period was Feb until now - 37 points from a possible 93. Or relegation form in common parlance.

It isn't about comparing Power to Jed, it's about where we are now and what direction we are heading.

You may have hit the nail on the head regarding the Asian Cup. Nothing was the same after that.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: BruceChatwin on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 18:50:45
I don't see how Power's model makes us any different from all the other teams who struggle to hold on to their best players at this level.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Skinny Pete on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 18:57:44
Whether it's true or not but most on here believe Power's model requires a subservient 'manager' to carry out his vision.

When other club's form hits the buffers the universal remedy is to change manager. Not many on here think a change would have much effect if he is just a Cooper clone.



Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 19:04:42
My time period was Feb until now - 37 points from a possible 93. Or relegation form in common parlance

Wouldn't that equate to 55 points in 46 games. Surely that would be enough to stay up



Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 19:05:47
I don't see how Power's model makes us any different from all the other teams who struggle to hold on to their best players at this level.

Best player yes, virtually the whole team not really


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Batch on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 19:06:05
I don't see how Power's model makes us any different from all the other teams who struggle to hold on to their best players at this level.

All clubs sell.

But I'm struggling to remember too many times a manager has had to start his squad from scratch. PDC, but that was with financial backing so he got away with his cock ups.

Don't get me wrong, while its disappointing as a fan its the only way to balance the books.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Oaksey Moonraker on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 19:38:06
I don't see how Power's model makes us any different from all the other teams who struggle to hold on to their best players at this level.

Has Power not tweaked his model since he first arrived? The Spurs young cast offs were bought with lowish transfer fees and high sell on percentages. This year it seems to be free transfers from anywhere or non league hopefuls.

I also doubt the lowest budget rumours given he said the budget is based on 7100 average home gates. Assuming FFP half the clubs in this league would kill for 7k at home. Nor can they all have millionaire benefactors chucking a couple of million each season to compete.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Kinky Tom on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 20:15:24
Has Power not tweaked his model since he first arrived? The Spurs young cast offs were bought with lowish transfer fees and high sell on percentages. This year it seems to be free transfers from anywhere or non league hopefuls.

I'm sure it's more down to opportunity rather than tweaking.  Power has said money will be spent when players worth spending money on are available or realistic. 

We were lucky that season to get Byrne and Luongo and at the time almost everyone was aghast that we'd spent £100,000 on Nathan saying it was an utter waste of money, Smith popped up in Jan at another £100,000.  We also, that season, got Kasim (free) and Gladwin (non-league hopeful)... 

The following season we spent £200,000 on Obika and while we've not really spent on fees this season we have invested in wages in certain areas.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: BruceChatwin on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 22:07:08
This is the team from last season's play-off final:

Foderingham

N. Thompson  Stephens  Turnbull

Byrne     Luongo     Kasim     Toffolo

Gladwin

Obika    Smith

(subs that day - Ricketts, L. Thompson, Andy Williams)

As like for like as possible, here's a team we could theoretically field from the current squad:

Vigouroux

N. Thompson  Williams  Turnbull

Ajose     L. Thompson   Kasim    Robert

Gladwin

Obika   Thomas

(closest relative subs to above - El Abd, Kevin Stewart, Hylton)

Hardly a big drop off in quality there, and 6 of the major players are still here (albeit 3 of them on loan), so not quite the tabula rasa some have made out. Our injury crisis at the moment is simply on an unprecedented scale, making it hard to judge both Cooper and the resources at his disposal.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: JayBox325 on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 22:31:08
This is the team from last season's play-off final:

Foderingham

N. Thompson  Stephens  Turnbull

Byrne     Luongo     Kasim     Toffolo

Gladwin

Obika    Smith

(subs that day - Ricketts, L. Thompson, Andy Williams)

As like for like as possible, here's a team we could theoretically field from the current squad:

Vigouroux

N. Thompson  Williams  Turnbull

Ajose     L. Thompson   Kasim    Robert

Gladwin

Obika   Thomas

(closest relative subs to above - El Abd, Kevin Stewart, Hylton)

Hardly a big drop off in quality there, and 6 of the major players are still here (albeit 3 of them on loan), so not quite the tabula rasa some have made out. Our injury crisis at the moment is simply on an unprecedented scale, making it hard to judge both Cooper and the resources at his disposal.


I like the idea of that team, but Ajose isn't great down the wing, he's much better making runs beyond the defenders and Robert is wasted on the wing, when he's playing well he's better in behind the front two.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Oxfordhater on Sunday, October 11, 2015, 22:44:13
Yes it looks ok on paper. Foderingham, Luongo and Byrne are gone though. Arguably the three best players last year. Normally when you lose one key player it can be telling, losing your three best has had more of an effect than we think. Be interesting to see if we would have picked a few more points up if Byrne was still here? Maybe he is the biggest loss of them all.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, October 12, 2015, 08:48:09
Yes it looks ok on paper. Foderingham, Luongo and Byrne are gone though. Arguably the three best players last year. Normally when you lose one key player it can be telling, losing your three best has had more of an effect than we think. Be interesting to see if we would have picked a few more points up if Byrne was still here? Maybe he is the biggest loss of them all.

Indeed, most of out early season points had a Byrne input somewhere in the goals. We were told that Stewart was the Byrne replacement....but another that hasn't worked out.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: BruceChatwin on Monday, October 12, 2015, 08:56:55
I like the idea of that team, but Ajose isn't great down the wing, he's much better making runs beyond the defenders and Robert is wasted on the wing, when he's playing well he's better in behind the front two.

If we did play that formation, in the unlikely event we had the whole squad available, I'd probably put Brophy in for Ajose and switch positions of Gladwin and Robert.

Yes it looks ok on paper. Foderingham, Luongo and Byrne are gone though. Arguably the three best players last year. Normally when you lose one key player it can be telling, losing your three best has had more of an effect than we think. Be interesting to see if we would have picked a few more points up if Byrne was still here? Maybe he is the biggest loss of them all.

Foderingham, Luongo and Byrne were obviously big losses, though Luongo had almost no influence on the team after the Asian Cup, and Byrne's assists evaporated along with any defensive support. As a lot of people have pointed out, we were poor even when we had those players in the team at the end of last season.

And Kasim at the moment is a textbook example of how holding onto your bigger players doesn't necessarily work out for the best.

Indeed, most of out early season points had a Byrne input somewhere in the goals. We were told that Stewart was the Byrne replacement....but another that hasn't worked out.

I thought Byrne was pretty average after his opening day hat-trick. Robert had by far the biggest influence on the points we picked up early in the season.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Skinny Pete on Monday, October 12, 2015, 08:57:15
He'd be playing now for sure.

I don't understand the homesick bit, though. He's had trials at both Barnsley and M'Boro so surely he'd know by those experiences if he could leave home and be happy.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Jimmy Glass is an Alien on Monday, October 12, 2015, 08:58:13
I agree that the injuries we have, have not helped Cooper. I'm not too sure if as mentioned before, the speculation about his role in the summer has played some part and undermined his authority in the dressing room.

On a separate note, why have we so many players that claim to have a favoured specialist position of the 'number 10' role. Surely we can't play them all there, which makes me think some of the buys were either panic or not thought out properly.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Skinny Pete on Monday, October 12, 2015, 09:00:24
That's the accusation thrown at Power's recruitment policy of bringing in players he thinks can turn a profit instead of what the team actually needs


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Oxfordhater on Monday, October 12, 2015, 09:04:55
In respect to comments about Byrne. I feel he was our best player. Every team that played against us was genuinely worried about his pace and quality. He may not have had the impact say of Robert but he changed the way other teams set up against us.

As for Luongo I get that his form dropped off somewhat but I don't buy into this that we don't miss him as he was poor after the Asia cup. He would walk into our midfield and is better than anything we have there at the moment.

As for Wes, losing the best keeper in the division for nothing says it all really.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: BruceChatwin on Monday, October 12, 2015, 09:13:23
As for Wes, losing the best keeper in the division for nothing says it all really.

Personally I think it was amazing we held onto Foderingham for as long as we did. You're right though that Byrne did seem to have a psychological effect on the opposite team.

On a separate note, why have we so many players that claim to have a favoured specialist position of the 'number 10' role. Surely we can't play them all there, which makes me think some of the buys were either panic or not thought out properly.

While I do think the quality of the squad is good, it's certainly fair to question whether much thought was given as to how it would fit together. Early signs were 'not very well,' though the injuries have made it impossible to determine.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, October 12, 2015, 09:24:50
As for Wes, losing the best keeper in the division for nothing says it all really.

What exactly does it say?

Apart from hold a gun to his head to sign a new contract when he had 6-12 months there was nothing more that could have been done.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Batch on Monday, October 12, 2015, 09:54:47
we were lucky to keep Wes for so long.

Byrne's quality is debatable, not sure he's championship material in the long term myself.

 but he was unarguably effective when running at defenders , and had started to chip in with very important goals indeed. even on an off day he could still unexpectedly create something.

in our current squad not yet impressed with boo, traore, ojamaa. brophy may have something, balmy looks enthusiastic - but is that enough, Ajose and kasim are bang out of form.

obika keeps getting injured which is a huge issue. Thomas - oh dear. 8+ weeks out speaks  for itself

it's all such a mess and I worry that by the time it's resolved it'll be too late for cooper.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: flammableBen on Monday, October 12, 2015, 10:32:36
On one hand we could fire Cooper, on the other we could stick with him. Is there a third way?


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, October 12, 2015, 10:35:33
On one hand we could fire Cooper, on the other we could stick with him. Is there a third way?

We could fire him, then get him back on loan from somewhere like Nuneaton.  The third way, was all the rage during the Clinton and then Blair years....gone out of fashion now mind.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: flammableBen on Monday, October 12, 2015, 10:38:56
We could fire him, then get him back on loan from somewhere like Nuneaton.  The third way, was all the rage during the Clinton and then Blair years....gone out of fashion now mind.

We could sack him in then contract him back in on a Private Finance Initiative?


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, October 12, 2015, 10:55:24
We could sack him in then contract him back in on a Private Finance Initiative?

Cooper would need to be state owned for that to happen. Even Louis Page managed to avoid being nationalisd by the great Atlee government....sadly  :(


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Power to people on Monday, October 12, 2015, 11:45:53
Reported where? You keep asserting this as fact, but it's just supposition on your part isn't it? Unless I've missed something?

I mean as in reported by Mr Morshead who I think most people seem to trust what he says


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Skinny Pete on Monday, October 12, 2015, 11:48:03
Villa are getting increasingly twitchy about Sherwood


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, October 12, 2015, 11:48:04
I mean as in reported by Mr Morshead who I think most people seem to trust what he says

I don't....he's a journalist....tans is probably more reliable.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Batch on Monday, October 12, 2015, 12:00:13
Villa are getting increasingly twitchy about Sherwood

Oh god, I hope the chain of events don't see him end up here..


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Skinny Pete on Monday, October 12, 2015, 12:17:08
Indeed


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Oxfordhater on Monday, October 12, 2015, 13:15:58
Bound to happen a few years down the line with Power in charge and another failed job. Tbf to Sherwood he inherited a terrible team there, I think they will stay up mind.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: flammableBen on Monday, October 12, 2015, 13:26:43
Looking for clues of whats really going on behind the scenes, I checked out Cooper's Daily Horoscope.

Quote from: today
A zany, deviant part of your being may be trying to surface. Though appreciating the effort someone's putting into maintaining a routine and ensuring that you're well cared for (at least physically) you may be craving something out of the ordinary. This could take the form of someone who's a little crazy but who was clearly (once) an expert in their field. This could result in a late night discussion as you learn more about a task you never before considered as being useful or necessary.

Hmmm.

Tomorrow?

Quote from: tomorrow
On the one hand you may think you've met a deadline and done everything required. On the other you could be unsettled by news from someone new to the scene. Their take on a situation could be very different. All this could leave you in a muddle - and once again impressed by those who carry on day to day affairs regardless of confusion. Your own inspiration could come from both them, music and those involved with the Arts.

Pretty clear that. Looks like someone new is coming in.

Oh there's a weekly one too

Quote from: weekly
Even ahead of Tuesday's New Moon it's likely to be all systems go. After weeks of either no replies or apparently justifiable delays, the need to get things done becomes imperative. It may be that more than one person feels they haven't been given value for money. A large part of the issue may be that the right team was never in place. A change of personnel could be considered. Your input as to who should be approached to join this team could prove useful. First you may need to show that you are still interested in being part of a project - and its rejuvenation. One thing that may be inescapable is that a colleague is totally fed-up with how things have been and needs assurance that you both understand their position and that you're willing to do what it takes to ensure that there are positive developments before the end of the month.

That's cleared up quite a lot. Thanks Astrology.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: flammableBen on Monday, October 12, 2015, 13:36:15
I'm not one of those posters who makes claims about having "inside information" whilst then refusing to name my sources. All this came from reputable horoscope site: http://www.horoscopes.co.uk/Sagittarius/Daily-Horoscope.php

 


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, October 12, 2015, 14:18:49
Looking for clues of whats really going on behind the scenes, I checked out Cooper's Daily Horoscope.

Hmmm.

Tomorrow?

Pretty clear that. Looks like someone new is coming in.

Oh there's a weekly one too

That's cleared up quite a lot. Thanks Astrology.

The weekly one looks the best bet.

Are you a Libran fB?  Today's effort fits you....expect an LNT.


Title: Re: Cooper Out
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Monday, October 12, 2015, 14:57:13
Bound to happen a few years down the line with Power in charge and another failed job. Tbf to Sherwood he inherited a terrible team there, I think they will stay up mind.
I think, hope & predicted at the start of the season that they will go down. Been teetering for the last couple of seasons now. Bet the Martin O'Neill days seem like an awfully long time ago for a Villa fan.