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Title: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, October 4, 2015, 16:45:47
Let's see what everyone thinks, arguments for him to stay and go. I'm intrigued to see the results, kept it to yes and no as I know many would love and will write more options!

Edit: OUR form. Can't change poll name..


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Sunday, October 4, 2015, 16:54:57
If his skin is thick enough to survive all the slings and arrows of discontent that some seem to rejoice in firing off, and he is able to select HIS team, then yes.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, October 4, 2015, 16:59:39
Let's see what everyone thinks, arguments for him to stay and go. I'm intrigued to see the results, kept it to yes and no as I know many would love and will write more options!

Edit: OUR form. Can't change poll name..


Sorted that for you, yo.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Sunday, October 4, 2015, 17:04:14
Sorted that for you, yo.

Then ... Cooper, it's Cooper!


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: FormerlyPlymRed on Sunday, October 4, 2015, 17:08:49
I still back Cooper, best finish in years last season and a very different side this time around. Still believe we will get through this and have a good season, the league is very average and no team stands out


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Batch on Sunday, October 4, 2015, 17:11:41
I'm pissed off work whoever didn't bother recruiting proper defenders and I'd continually overlooking how piss poor we are there. we practically have to score three to win.

if that's cooper he needs a wake up call.

not in for the sack him call yet.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Skinny Pete on Sunday, October 4, 2015, 17:21:28
I want him to go - BUT if he has, indeed, had players parachuted in without any consultation then I do sympathise.

My worry is that if he does go and is replaced with someone who will be similarly constrained what's the point.

If any new manager turns out to have prior links to Power I would start to wonder if we are being butt-fucked for profit.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, October 4, 2015, 17:25:32
 Sherwood, is on borrowed time...


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Skinny Pete on Sunday, October 4, 2015, 17:33:40
That would worry me big time


Title: Re:
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Sunday, October 4, 2015, 17:48:00
Rogers can come and manage his lad now.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: EldeneRed on Sunday, October 4, 2015, 17:55:36
Town fans at the moment.

https://www.facebook.com/JasonPierrePaul/videos/1585215288381169/


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Sunday, October 4, 2015, 17:58:44
 :clap:


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, October 4, 2015, 18:47:57
For whatever reason, I have little to no confidence that he will turn it around. It may not be a particularly informed opinion, but there it is. I won't be the one making any decisions anyway, that'll come to to Power and he is in a much better position to decide.

I think it's a shame, I was one of those willing to give him time when he was appointed where many others had already written him off.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: DiV on Sunday, October 4, 2015, 21:45:24
I don't think he can turn it around, however I'm not sure bringing in a new manager will change our fortunes either. Think the problem is a bit more deep rooted than that.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Batch on Monday, October 5, 2015, 06:52:11
I'm anti-flash in opinion. when appointed I didn't think he was right.

then the model became obvious and it was clear a traditional manager wasnt the right fit, he's also excellent at facing the media. I now like him.

I think we are still in knee jerk territory, sort of. it would be less debatable if the last third of last season didn't happen...

anyway, we've seen kingy go on this kind of run cumulating in that match at Cheltenham, and turn it around (albeit with the help of an outside influence.)

it can be done. still think the man deserves a bit more time


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Tails on Monday, October 5, 2015, 07:29:04
I'm not sure he can turn it around personally. I think after the disappointment at the end of last season and the turnaround of players it was always gonna be tough this year, and I was expecting a relegation battle. However, the squad we have now should not be fighting relegation and if we do continue slipping then Power has to take a long hard look at himself and maybe at Cooper too. I like Cooper, he's done a great job under ridiculous fan pressure and a small budget... but I think there are managers out there who could probably do better with the current crop of players. I'm not sure many other managers would enjoy our style though, with Powers hefty influence.

It would be incredibly harsh to sack at him but come the new year, if we are languishing around the bottom 4 then maybe it's time for a change. We will not get out of League Two quickly with this model IMO. Mid-table would be acceptable I think, with a push at the top 6 next season.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, October 5, 2015, 08:18:39
I read on another forum about a Posh fan who did state that he would be very surprised if Cooper had the nous to turn this around. Peterborough and Coventry at home this month will be a good litmus test. If we lose these games I think its probably going to be curtains.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Berniman on Monday, October 5, 2015, 09:03:18
I don't think he can turn it around, however I'm not sure bringing in a new manager will change our fortunes either. Think the problem is a bit more deep rooted than that.

I agree with this


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: joteddyred on Monday, October 5, 2015, 09:49:34
I'm not sure he can turn it around personally. I think after the disappointment at the end of last season and the turnaround of players it was always gonna be tough this year, and I was expecting a relegation battle. However, the squad we have now should not be fighting relegation and if we do continue slipping then Power has to take a long hard look at himself and maybe at Cooper too. I like Cooper, he's done a great job under ridiculous fan pressure and a small budget... but I think there are managers out there who could probably do better with the current crop of players. I'm not sure many other managers would enjoy our style though, with Powers hefty influence.

It would be incredibly harsh to sack at him but come the new year, if we are languishing around the bottom 4 then maybe it's time for a change. We will not get out of League Two quickly with this model IMO. Mid-table would be acceptable I think, with a push at the top 6 next season.

Totally agree with this.

I don't believe Cooper will turn it around, because I'm honestly not sure he actually wants to be here anymore.  I personally wouldn't want it left to the New Year if results don't improve.

I've accidentally clicked on yes, so have now skewed the poll results slightly.

Is an admin able to change my vote?


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Bogus Dave on Monday, October 5, 2015, 10:13:04
Its a kind of sad indictment of modern football that the man who led us to our highest league position in >15 years should find himself so out of favour with the fan base in early september of the following season. Particularly with the amount of upheaval the squads had to go through

My personal opinion, which I've stated before, is that we'll be indifferent-to-poor until november time, at which point our team will click (as teams thrown together at the end of september are sometimes prone to do) and we'll be bonza until the end of the season. Perhaps not good enough for the play offs, but not in any relegation trouble.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Batch on Monday, October 5, 2015, 10:45:48
you've lost a month Dave, is it due to anal probing aliens?

agree with your point, not sure it'll click but deserves the chance to try..


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: BruceChatwin on Monday, October 5, 2015, 10:48:15
Its a kind of sad indictment of modern football that the man who led us to our highest league position in >15 years should find himself so out of favour with the fan base in early september of the following season. Particularly with the amount of upheaval the squads had to go through

My personal opinion, which I've stated before, is that we'll be indifferent-to-poor until november time, at which point our team will click (as teams thrown together at the end of september are sometimes prone to do) and we'll be bonza until the end of the season. Perhaps not good enough for the play offs, but not in any relegation trouble.

I don't think the fans would have been so quick to turn on him if it hadn't been for the Wendies saga. The illusion of commitment from managers/ players is important to us, and to the sense of unity in a team, even though we know deep down any manager/ player would jump ship at the slightest hint of a better offer.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, October 5, 2015, 11:27:50
I don't think the fans would have been so quick to turn on him if it hadn't been for the Wendies saga. The illusion of commitment from managers/ players is important to us, and to the sense of unity in a team, even though we know deep down any manager/ player would jump ship at the slightest hint of a better offer.

Last season we won 7 of our last 20 games and 2 of the last 9. This season feels like a continuation of how we finished which is my problem. Iv said it before but I truly believe we should have got promoted last season and a better manager would have achieved that. Add to the fact that when we last reached a playoff final we got relegated the season after (and orient) its not surprising everyone is feeling it.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Batch on Monday, October 5, 2015, 11:43:05
BruceChatwin & singingiiiffy have equally valid points. The combination of both is contributing to this debate.

I really hope we somehow beat Oxford and Posh, I can only see the crowd going one way if we go behind having lost to Pox and then fall behind v Posh..


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Skinny Pete on Monday, October 5, 2015, 11:48:36
Yeah - out the exits!

Surely to God, if Westley can get a response out of the equally useless Posh, then anyone half decent could get us going.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, October 5, 2015, 12:06:37
Totally agree with this.

I don't believe Cooper will turn it around, because I'm honestly not sure he actually wants to be here anymore.  I personally wouldn't want it left to the New Year if results don't improve.

I've accidentally clicked on yes, so have now skewed the poll results slightly.

Is an admin able to change my vote?

I'll use my vote to vote no for you. For the record, I am undecided.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, October 5, 2015, 12:07:25
Last season we won 7 of our last 20 games and 2 of the last 9. This season feels like a continuation of how we finished which is my problem. Iv said it before but I truly believe we should have got promoted last season and a better manager would have achieved that. Add to the fact that when we last reached a playoff final we got relegated the season after (and orient) its not surprising everyone is feeling it.

So 9 in 29 (I am good at maths me!) its not exactly great is it and rather removes the argument that its all down to a 'new' team. Would a manager who was winning c. 1 in 3 games get much time?


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Monday, October 5, 2015, 12:17:26
Yeah - out the exits!

Surely to God, if Westley can get a response out of the equally useless Posh, then anyone half decent could get us going.

Yes but that presupposes a manager of experience will agree to join us under our current model, and I'm not sure that they would.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: singingiiiffy on Monday, October 5, 2015, 12:19:34
So 9 in 29 (I am good at maths me!) its not exactly great is it and rather removes the argument that its all down to a 'new' team. Would a manager who was winning c. 1 in 3 games get much time?

Sorry to confuse the 2 out of 9 was last season as well. this season we have won 2/11 league games (+ Lost to exeter in League Cup, Won on penalties at Newport)


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, October 5, 2015, 12:32:21
Sorry to confuse the 2 out of 9 was last season as well. this season we have won 2/11 league games (+ Lost to exeter in League Cup, Won on penalties at Newport)

So 9 in 31?


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Amir on Monday, October 5, 2015, 12:36:04
3 in 11 this season in the league. Keep adding up :)


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Skinny Pete on Monday, October 5, 2015, 12:41:21
Yes but that presupposes a manager of experience will agree to join us under our current model, and I'm not sure that they would.
Then we're fucked. Pure and simple.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, October 5, 2015, 13:21:30
3 in 11 this season in the league. Keep adding up :)

Still shit (both Town's form and my maths)!!

In my defence I have been preparing invoices all morning and maths isnt a strong point - I think I have exhausted by skills for the day!


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Power to people on Monday, October 5, 2015, 13:23:04
Then we're fucked. Pure and simple.

It will be a head coach role so forget any notion of an experienced manager joining us - and it will probably be someone who has been minimal experience but is rated highly - step forward Luke Williams

I'm not sure that Cooper can turn this around but as mentioned on previous thread I don't wholly blame Cooper


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Tails on Monday, October 5, 2015, 13:27:38
Then we're fucked. Pure and simple.

Experienced managers do not equal success. In fact nearly all of our success in the last 25 years has been largely down to inexperienced managers.



Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Skinny Pete on Monday, October 5, 2015, 13:29:01
Didn't mention any other manager - experienced or otherwise.

Just stated that sticking with Cooper = doom


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Amir on Monday, October 5, 2015, 13:29:45
Still shit (both Town's form and my maths)!!

In my defence I have been preparing invoices all morning and maths isnt a strong point - I think I have exhausted by skills for the day!

It wasn't your sum that was wrong ;)


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Tails on Monday, October 5, 2015, 13:33:31
Didn't mention any other manager - experienced or otherwise.

Just stated that sticking with Cooper = doom

I think that's a little harsh. I'm not necessarily saying Cooper is the man to take us forward but I don't think he'll be the death of us or anything. If we'd had earlier transfer dealings and not so many injury problems you never know where we could be. IF (big if) we can get a settled XI and formation then I think we'll generally be okay and float around midtable. In the mean time, if we continue to stick with our model while clubs like Bury & Burton get heavier investment than we do we will continue to float at this level. For the club to progress we need serious investment off the pitch in our facilities. If we did go up last season we would have come straight back down, I think that much was obvious.

I do have a feeling he will need to turn things around very, very quickly though or else the fans will really get on his back. Losing to Oxford tomorrow feels inevitable and unacceptable in equal measures to me at the moment.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Skinny Pete on Monday, October 5, 2015, 13:39:56
I honestly think he has run his race as far as we are concerned.

He's had a long, long time to sort out our most visible problem - the defence - yet things have lurched from piss poor to laughable.

I'm going to swerve the game against Posh - my first miss this season - not because we are losing but because it is fucking turgid to watch.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, October 5, 2015, 16:44:56
The main point for me, as mentioned above, is that after the abortive move to Wednesday - and the clubs apparent happiness for him to go, has undermined him to such an extent that he doesn't want to be here - or at the very least, won't have the same willingness to take us up as he might have done. Not seeing eye to eye with Power, not getting on with Williams - should we expect anything else?


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: REDBUCK on Monday, October 5, 2015, 16:53:15
Have I not been paying much attention or is that all supposition on your part.


Title: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, October 5, 2015, 18:16:51
I did say "apparent" in relation to our happiness for him to go - we let him talk to them, according to Link and FLIC at the time. There was no positive statement made of wanting to keep him.

A Morshead Q&A also alluded to there being differences between Cooper and Williams - and that the relationship was "civil" and that they'd managed to find a way to work together. I don't take that as absolute fact - but why report it if there isn't substance?

As for his mindset - complete supposition, but (would you not agree?) the most likely effect of being told by your employer they were happy for you to leave and having to work with an assistant who, for whatever reason, you don't see eye to eye with, would be that you aren't quite as up for it as you may have been when everyone seemed to be pulling in the same direction.

I may be wrong, but something isn't right. Read Cooper's words on FLIC about the Bangoura signing - do they strike you as the words of a manager that is on the same page as his boss? I read that as "This is Lee's signing. I've had nothing to do with it. I don't even know where he supposed to play, but still, I've been told we've signed him. He looks like a defensive midfielder." A manager without control or authority can't be as motivated as a manager with it, can they?


Title: Re: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, October 5, 2015, 19:37:17
I did say "apparent" in relation to our happiness for him to go - we let him talk to them, according to Link and FLIC at the time. There was no positive statement made of wanting to keep him.


Has it ever been confirmed whether we let him talk to them because he asked to be allowed to talk to them?

Whatever it doesn't suggest a healthy relationship?


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Pericles on Monday, October 5, 2015, 21:07:13
Hi all. Well, it seems to me that there are a few people that don't seem to want to be here at the moment. Kasim is one and Cooper is another. Cooper's interview after the Blackpool game sounded pretty delusional to me and as if he was just making shit up. I thought he was taking the piss to be honest. He just seemed like 'yeah we lost but I'm just gonna make up some shit about the game'. What worries me is he seems demotivated and this spills over to the players who to be frank, look pretty clueless at the moment and seem reluctant to take any responsibility. So they pass side to side and backwards hoping someone else will do something and Cooper is doing nothing to change that. Its the same every week. Its just so damn boring. There is just no drive in any of the players or coaching staff. If Cooper's mind and heart are not in it I don't see how he can turn it around. Yet it seems pointless to change when we all know that any new 'manager' will have to take on board Powers input. Does Power have any coaching badges? I'm sure I read somewhere he did some coaching. Maybe he should just take over!  :eek:


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Dazzza on Monday, October 5, 2015, 21:17:22
I don’t see what another manager would necessary add at this stage.  The squad is what it is.  There’s not a huge scope to juggle things around until January and add to that the injuries and options availible what would a different manager be able to offer.  Perhaps a change of style and a bit of luck may turn things around but I can’t see it being anything other than short term and may prove disruptive and have a negative effect.

 As Cooper said this weekend.  80% of last seasons squad are gone.  It hasn’t clicked, yet and we are short in few areas.  

Players brought in this season have less pedigree but that doesn’t necessary equate to less ability.  It will just take longer to get them performing consistently.

The past couple of seasons the loan players that have come in have all been rated by their parent clubs and here for the experience or to be released on the cheap with a vested interest via a sell on clause.  We were never going to have those players on tap season after season and I suspect a lot of clubs have looked at what we have done and are starting to recruit on the same basis adding to the competition.  

I got the impression over the summer, this is just an impression mind, that a lot of our 1st and 2nd choice targets just didn’t come off.  That’s why we have a squad of players coming up from non-league and from abroad.  They’re far more of an unknown and risk and what we have ended up with is inconsistency and a lack of experience.

Yes, its likely to be a season of meh and we may well struggle but its worth considering that for all the crap and risks the current model brings that were only a season away from starting the whole process again.  I'd rather roll the dice stick with the gamble that comes with having the wheels fall off every now and again if it means we have a chance at another season like 14/15.   


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Paul Mason on Monday, October 5, 2015, 21:44:12
The picture on flic sport tells a story, Williams couldnt be sat any further away from the rest of the coaching staff and manager??


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: tans on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 20:46:03
Go. Now.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: random_five on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 20:48:44
Go. Now.

This


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 20:50:59
Losing to your local rivals upsets the fans more than the chairman, but if the crowd really start to turn on cooper & the team then this could be the final straw


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 20:55:17
It's probably best for all concerned if he goes, it's just come to a natural end.

Hope the crowd don't turn on him, he deserves better than that based on his whole time in charge


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 21:07:37
Go. Now.

Are you making a placard to take along on saturday


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: tans on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 21:11:48
No because i aint fucking going. More important things to do than watch the shit thats being curently served up


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 21:26:18
Not sure Cooper is the only problem given the 'model' we operate and fuck knows who behind the scenes influencing players we sign.

However its 3 wins in 14 now this season, those being Bradford (we were shit first half and Byrne saved us second half), Southend (pretty lucky), Crewe (very lucky) and that is really alarming. I had no hope we would be anywhere near last season given transfer business and overall quality in the team but that is a terrible record. I'd say we need 7 points from the next 4 games (3 are at home) but with the injuries we have and lack of defence i can't see how this is going to happen! I think its getting really close to the end for Cooper though.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: singingiiiffy on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 21:29:04
It's probably best for all concerned if he goes, it's just come to a natural end.

Hope the crowd don't turn on him, he deserves better than that based on his whole time in charge
Absolutely this. I don't hate the guy, I thank him for what he did at the start of his tenure, it's now time for a change. If anything just to get the crowd and possibly the players back on side.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 21:34:38
So whats Power going to do when  no one wants to buy these players znd crowds drop to below 6k? Come January his plan could be in some serious shit.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: joteddyred on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 21:35:17
Not sure Cooper is the only problem given the 'model' we operate and fuck knows who behind the scenes influencing players we sign.

However its 3 wins in 14 now this season, those being Bradford (we were shit first half and Byrne saved us second half), Southend (pretty lucky), Crewe (very lucky) and that is really alarming. I had no hope we would be anywhere near last season given transfer business and overall quality in the team but that is a terrible record. I'd say we need 7 points from the next 4 games (3 are at home) but with the injuries we have and lack of defence i can't see how this is going to happen! I think its getting really close to the end for Cooper though.

Can't argue with any of this.   However, I genuinely can see us coming out of the next 4 games with nothing.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Ells on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 21:37:00
ok, so under Power and Cooper/Williams we achieve our best position for 15 years, we play some fantastic football and get to Wembley (not without hiccups of course - but our final league position was, still, 4th).

We're now under Power and Cooper/Williams and everything's gone to shit and we're going to get relegated by Christmas.

So where's the disparity? The first scenario was all luck? What has Cooper done differently that makes people think getting rid of him would benefit us?


Just curious of others opinions. I'm not sold on in or out, personally, because the situation is so complex.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: leftside on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 21:39:33
No because i aint fucking going. More important things to do than watch the shit thats being curently served up
Yes, it is pretty shit currently, but why should that stop you going? We've been shit in the recent past, been average, and been outstanding - it is the nature of Div 3/4 football, and for a club of our size. Surely the buzz of going to football outweighs the need for success? Sure, it is unlikely we'll win or even put in an acceptable performance Saturday, but there is a chance that we might.

I can understand fans staying away if they can't afford to go, or have a serious gripe against a dodgy owner, but struggle to understand why they don't go just because we're a bit shit.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 21:46:32
I think the whole of 2015 has been shite for us, and that excuse for a game in the play offs was the last game I attended. This is Swindon, the obvious failure is getting tedious now. We all knew we'd lose this tonight.
Are the team getting fired up for games like this?


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 21:47:32
My OPINION (i.e not fact before anyone gets on their high horse)

Last season and the season before (presumably) Power called in a couple of favours from Sherwood and we got the like of Luongo, Byrne (Mason, Pritchard) and some quite decent loans, a splattering of PDC hangovers, the Tompson stalwarts and a couple of lucky punts with the likes of Kassim and Gladwin towards the latter stages.

This season we've just seemed to leave everything too late, relied on too many cheap punts and have had injuries, and Kasim seems to be in a permanent fucking sulk. But mostly, whoever decided to totally ignore recruiting in the defence/defensive midfield department is in denial (and should be slapped with a wet haddock). Last years team struggled in the end. This years lesser team moreso, its like it has the integrity of an eggshell.

Its impossible to know who does what with the team, it certainly doesn't seem like a normal setup, so its impossible to give you a straight answer beyond the players aren't as good and injuries are telling,


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 21:48:46
I think there are many who no longer attend out of routine and are looking for a reason for no longer going. A bad start this season is just convenient


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: 4D on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 21:49:28
Players or fans?


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 21:50:49
I think there are many who no longer attend out of routine and are looking for a reason for no longer going.

as has always been the case..


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 21:53:47
as has always been the case..

...and always will.

Ultimately, it's their choice.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: joteddyred on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 21:54:05
ok, so under Power and Cooper/Williams we achieve our best position for 15 years, we play some fantastic football and get to Wembley (not without hiccups of course - but our final league position was, still, 4th).

We're now under Power and Cooper/Williams and everything's gone to shit and we're going to get relegated by Christmas.

So where's the disparity? The first scenario was all luck? What has Cooper done differently that makes people think getting rid of him would benefit us?


Just curious of others opinions. I'm not sold on in or out, personally, because the situation is so complex.


Can't really answer your question, but it sometimes just happens and did under Danny Wilson.  We made the play off final after playing some good football and getting some great results on the way.  Had fairly high hopes for the following season,  decent squad, but it all went to shit and we got relegated.  The only difference I would say is that there wasn't so much input from the chairman and the board in team affairs as there is now.

In all honesty though we weren't playing fantastic football from February onwards and stuttered our way to the play offs.  Our dip in form goes back much further than the last couple of months.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 21:54:21
Also for the record our form after the Asia cup was much more sketchy than before, we limped into the playoffs and could have been up automatically.

Difference between this season and last is a squad with less league experience and less quality, and more new players in the first 11. Late transfer activity, signing players who have not done complete preseasons has clearly led to lack of cohesion and must contribute to the injuries. A stubbornness of system and style and not adapting to the new players. Not all of these are Coopers fault as per my previous statement.

My biggest problem this season and its probably just me is the lack of hope i have, there seems no ambition to kick on, no willingness to invest record transfer fees received (in whatever instalments) to have more at our disposal than last season. No willingness to build the new stadium, not for massive numbers of seats but to offer non match day income (the only fucking way this club moves up!!!!!). Like i say its probably just me but i've always felt in the past that it could be us, we could do what so many other clubs from this level hae done but it never feels so far away as it does right now.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: leftside on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 21:57:48
ok, so under Power and Cooper/Williams we achieve our best position for 15 years, we play some fantastic football and get to Wembley (not without hiccups of course - but our final league position was, still, 4th).

We're now under Power and Cooper/Williams and everything's gone to shit and we're going to get relegated by Christmas.

So where's the disparity? The first scenario was all luck? What has Cooper done differently that makes people think getting rid of him would benefit us?


Just curious of others opinions. I'm not sold on in or out, personally, because the situation is so complex.

One disparity seems to be that the balance of the side was better last season - the players fitted the formation and style of play. Also, the players that have gone were better than those that have come in (from what I've seen so far). Before the end of last season opposing managers had worked out ways to stop our style being most effective and this has continued into this season. And, we seem to be much slower attacking, allowing the opposition to get into position to defend and ready to catch us on the break. I can't remember what the injury situation was around this time last season, but it has been pretty desperate this season.





Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 22:09:34
...and always will.


Ultimately, it's their choice.

To be honest I'd rather that than have them sit near me and moan to the whole world for 90 minutes.



Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Oxfordhater on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 22:22:50
Can we have another poll. Bring Di Canio back.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Pericles on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 23:04:02
Well if I stop going its simply because we are just so boring. In over 20 years of following the town I have never been so bored (and we've had some seriously shit teams in that time) but I still felt motivated to go. Now I just can't be bothered! As someone rightly pointed out, teams found us out last season and are playing the same this season against us. Tonight was just dire. I know we are missing our 'best players' but even then they've been shit to be honest. Kasim doesn't give a shit any more and Ojamma, what the actual fuck? He's terrible, truly terrible. Th boredom of our play just doesn't inspire me enough to go any more. I can go and play poker instead!


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Oxfordhater on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 23:10:03
I agree. It's no fun anymore. Yes there has been times as bleak as these in my many years following town, this is low though.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Pericles on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 23:15:00
The way I would describe the way we play is when I play against someone really good at Fifa. My tactic is to just pass it around my defence for the entire game to grab a draw. And guess what? People watching that take the piss and say its 'fucking boring'.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, October 6, 2015, 23:25:25
Oh dear -Good luck with the poker.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: tans on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 05:40:27
Yes, it is pretty shit currently, but why should that stop you going? We've been shit in the recent past, been average, and been outstanding - it is the nature of Div 3/4 football, and for a club of our size. Surely the buzz of going to football outweighs the need for success? Sure, it is unlikely we'll win or even put in an acceptable performance Saturday, but there is a chance that we might.

I can understand fans staying away if they can't afford to go, or have a serious gripe against a dodgy owner, but struggle to understand why they don't go just because we're a bit shit.

To be fair the mrs is having an operation friday


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 07:13:10
I'll have your season ticket then.

I need something to burn to keep the house warm.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: adje on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 07:21:04
Leftside is right.none of the new arrivals are as good as the players they replaced.i think its as simple as that.luongo williams stephens gladwin and byrne are ll major losses


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: adje on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 07:26:19
My OPINION (i.e not fact before anyone gets on their high horse)

Last season and the season before (presumably) Power called in a couple of favours from Sherwood and we got the like of Luongo, Byrne (Mason, Pritchard) and some quite decent loans, a splattering of PDC hangovers, the Tompson stalwarts and a couple of lucky punts with the likes of Kassim and Gladwin towards the latter stages.

This season we've just seemed to leave everything too late, relied on too many cheap punts and have had injuries, and Kasim seems to be in a permanent fucking sulk. But mostly, whoever decided to totally ignore recruiting in the defence/defensive midfield department is in denial (and should be slapped with a wet haddock). Last years team struggled in the end. This years lesser team moreso, its like it has the integrity of an eggshell.

Its impossible to know who does what with the team, it certainly doesn't seem like a normal setup, so its impossible to give you a straight answer beyond the players aren't as good and injuries are telling,


"Slapping with a wet haddock" is too good for them!


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Tails on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 07:37:17
I'll probably get slated for this, but we could have done with someone like Ricketts in the back 4....


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 07:43:48
I'll probably get slated for this, but we could have done with someone like Ricketts in the back 4....

I was thinking the same a few days ago


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Skinny Pete on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 07:44:32
Turnbull staying on the pitch was what we could have done with.

The fates do seem to be conspiring against Cooper - should take the hint.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 08:47:26
I'll probably get slated for this, but we could have done with someone like Ricketts in the back 4....

To be honest Michael Ricketts would probably be an improvement on what we have at the moment!


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: BruceChatwin on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 09:01:17
Leftside is right.none of the new arrivals are as good as the players they replaced.i think its as simple as that.luongo williams stephens gladwin and byrne are ll major losses

The team was still dysfunctional with all those players in it in the second half of last season. Gladwin was the only one putting in decent performances.

The malaise long pre-dates the current playing squad. All the drive/ passion/ energy just seems to have gone out of the club, from the players and fans to the manager.

I don't think it's easy for any of us to put our finger on exactly why looking in from the outside, but the effects are clearly visible.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: nigel grays a postie on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 09:34:33
Keep hearing how impossible it is for Cooper to manage under the circumstances that Power imposes, but as the man charged with motivating the team Power presents him with, Cooper surely needs to be doing more?  No one could compare the team that Cooper moulded together to excite us and top the league in January this year to the rag tag bunch of triallists, sick notes, cast offs and wannabes that are currently masquerading as Swindon Town FC.

Cooper certainly isn't giving any sort of impression that he is really up to the job of gelling them into a team that can compete effectively in League 1. In fact I don't think this bunch would cut it in the division below at present.  Zero shots on target against a League 2 side, having already lost at home to Exeter and just about scraped together a win on penalties against Newport - probably nailed on to follow Cheltenham, the League 2 side who humiliated us last year, into non league football - suggests to all that this is a mess he isn't capable of sorting out.

I imagine we will find a defender from somewhere for Saturday to play alongside Branco but who knows who will play right back. Traore or Bangoura maybe? Even with a full complement the back 3, 4 or 5 were failing. By the time Turnbull, Williams,  Thompson, Barry and Stewart are back it is hard to imagine Cooper will still be in charge.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 10:18:40
Not to say I told you so, cos I didn't, and not criticising anyone, but it's worth remembering that three weeks is a long time in football, especially during an injury crisis.

Quietly confident we can really challenge again this year.

Well well well.  Anyone who thinks Power doesn't want promotion needs to think again. 

At this point, if we don't get at least a play-off place and stuff the pox in their shitty 3-sided box then something is very wrong.

Our squad looks so good I'm actually laughing.

Is this real?  Will we ever lose again?  If this is indeed real then our last 8 days worth of business have been damn impressive.

I know I'm jumping the gun a tad here, but I'm beginning to think that Power would be able to put together a team that could stay up in the Championship.... without running up debts.

I know this is STFC where we've got used over the years to every silver lining having a cloud and every light at the end of the tunnel being a train heading straight towards us etc BUT -  I think it's fair to say we have every reason to be optimistic at this point in time  :nod:

We've gone from certain relegation to automatic promotion very quickly! Amazing what a little patience can do...

I still think we'll end up midtable but its an exciting squad being put together.

With the squad we have we should definitely push for autos.

I've just done a sex wee


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 10:21:05
One poster was keeping a level head...

But...
- We don't know if Ojaama is any good.
- We don't know if Pinko is coming and is any good
- We don't know if Stewart is good enough to step up from Glentoran
- We don't know if Thomas will stay longer or whether he will be the same as at other clubs and be lazy but score goals
- We don't know if Obika and more importantly Thompson will stay injury free. They both appear fragile.
- We don't know whether Hylton will come back and step up this year
- We don't know what the score is with Kasim

So, interesting times ahead, yes. But does the recent flurry make us world beaters? I think not.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: joteddyred on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 10:23:21
That was me showing my optimistic side. I'm now back to my usual pessimistic self.

Also, it was 4 weeks ago.  That extra week makes all the difference  ;)


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 10:25:55
That was me showing my optimistic side. I'm now back to my usual pessimistic self.

Also, it was 4 weeks ago.  That extra week makes all the difference  ;)

What happens that makes you feel pessimistic every four weeks?

Sorry.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Skinny Pete on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 10:27:36
Oh, come on. That's what all fans would say about signings. Most are optimistic souls and I reckon only 2-3 look like real pigs.

The problem, injuries notwithstanding, is Cooper seems incapable of fashioning a functioning team - and that's been the case for more than a few weeks.

Most have enormous sympathy for Cooper, albeit based on the perceived terms he works under, but he is the visible figurehead of the club and takes the flak.


Title: Re:
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 10:36:14
There's been a lack of real excitement or buzz around the club for a long time now, ever since the back to back defeats over Easter. The playoffs papered over a couple of cracks until it all came tumbling down at Wembley.

The summer and preseason were as dead and uninspiring as any I can remember and everything just feels subdued this season.

I don't care if Cooper stays or not, it won't signal a massive change either way.

Things have been much worse than this and I'm not sure why people have forgotten that so easily.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: adje on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 10:38:28
The team was still dysfunctional with all those players in it in the second half of last season. Gladwin was the only one putting in decent performances.

The malaise long pre-dates the current playing squad. All the drive/ passion/ energy just seems to have gone out of the club, from the players and fans to the manager.

I don't think it's easy for any of us to put our finger on exactly why looking in from the outside, but the effects are clearly visible.

Fair points but i would say losing byrne when we did was a huge blow


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 10:39:34
There's been a lack of real excitement or buzz around the club for a long time now, ever since the back to back defeats over Easter. The playoffs papered over a couple of cracks until it all came tumbling down at Wembley.

The summer and preseason were as dead and uninspiring as any I can remember and everything just feels subdued this season.

I don't care if Cooper stays or not, it won't signal a massive change either way.

Things have been much worse than this and I'm not sure why people have forgotten that so easily.
Completely agree with all of this. The Youth speaks the Truth!


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 14:37:53
Not to say I told you so, cos I didn't, and not criticising anyone, but it's worth remembering that three weeks is a long time in football, especially during an injury crisis.


 :) good work Froggy.

Bunging together a bunch of new players was always going to be difficult, and certainly not helped by the remaining core from last season, being in and out with injury and now suspension and call ups.

We're locked into the model, come what may...ok, may be a bit of tinkering round the edges, but you can't acquire loans on a pretext of playing progressive football, and then start playing the % ages.

Kingy inherited a bunch of ne'er do wells in 00/01, but just about kept us up, by getting a donkey CH who could head the ball Heywood, and an old head midfielder in Ian Woan, to provide some nous.

The Crewe boss Steve Davis said of working with young players...you've got to be prepared to get relegated to allow them a chance to develop, it would be good if those left of our fans who aren't joining the many on here to jump ship could be mindful, that a bit of patience is necessary.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 14:57:14
I do wonder about the Crewe comparisons though - is that really our model? People are very polite about them, but it's not like their strategy has delivered a great deal of success has it, and where have all their millions of transfer income gone?


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 15:04:35
I do wonder about the Crewe comparisons though - is that really our model? People are very polite about them, but it's not like their strategy has delivered a great deal of success has it, and where have all their millions of transfer income gone?

As I've pointed out before Crewe have had 5 seasons in Div 2, since we were last there. It is very expensive to run top notch academies.  Crewe were habitual re-election applicants when they set up the model....so relatively they are successful

Our model is different, there's no way we could compete financially with theirs.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 15:15:45
As I've pointed out before Crewe have had 5 seasons in Div 2, since we were last there. It is very expensive to run top notch academies.  Crewe were habitual re-election applicants when they set up the model....so relatively they are successful

Our model is different, there's no way we could compete financially with theirs.

Interesting, but I wonder if a full-blown academy is over-engineered in Crewe's case. Are they consistently developing a steady stream of saleable assets, or might some of that expensive academy money be better spent on the first-team?


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 15:23:20
Interesting, but I wonder if a full-blown academy is over-engineered in Crewe's case. Are they consistently developing a steady stream of saleable assets, or might some of that expensive academy money be better spent on the first-team?

I'd guess that the Crewe model becomes increasingly difficult as the Prem change the rules to their advantage, with regards to Academies.

They have the high spec infrastructure, but it becomes increasingly expensive to maintain. It may well implode for them, certainly the FA won't give a fuck.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 15:31:47
I'd guess that the Crewe model becomes increasingly difficult as the Prem change the rules to their advantage, with regards to Academies.

They have the high spec infrastructure, but it becomes increasingly expensive to maintain. It may well implode for them, certainly the FA won't give a fuck.

 :nod: and thus screw exactly the sort of lower-league club that's doing what they said they needed...


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 15:34:33
:nod: and thus screw exactly the sort of lower-league club that's doing what they said they needed...

Here's the state of play with Crewe....

http://www.crewealex.net/team/eppp-statement/


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 16:17:54
Here's the state of play with Crewe....

http://www.crewealex.net/team/eppp-statement/

Fair enough. Seem pretty well-run. I hope their fans are more patient than ours.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: SuperBosnian on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 16:46:40
I think Cooper deserves until the end of the month to turn it round. He's been very unlucky with injuries, and we all know this isn't the usual Manager-Chairman working relationship. Power's responsible for this mess but you can hardly replace an owner.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 16:56:36
I think Cooper deserves until the end of the month to turn it round. He's been very unlucky with injuries, and we all know this isn't the usual Manager-Chairman working relationship. Power's responsible for this mess but you can hardly replace an owner.
There are times when I genuinely think he might aswell appoint himself. It would save a wage & according to popular belief he's basically Cooper in disguise anyway.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Ells on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 16:58:28
There are times when I genuinely think he might aswell appoint himself. It would save a wage & according to popular belief he's basically Cooper in disguise anyway.

Except all his half time team talks would have to be via Skype


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Pericles on Wednesday, October 7, 2015, 21:28:02
Not to say I told you so, cos I didn't, and not criticising anyone, but it's worth remembering that three weeks is a long time in football, especially during an injury crisis.


I have to say Red Frog that post had me in stitches, especially throwing in Nemo's, 'I've just done a sex wee'. Fucking hilarious  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: THE FLASH on Thursday, October 8, 2015, 00:22:58
Denial is not a river in Egypt!

Start recognising that it's shit and needs improving...that is at least a start!

I'm sick of this 'we were the better team' shite!


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Ells on Thursday, October 8, 2015, 16:26:10
I'm sure he knows we need to improve. Publically criticising the players has just never really been his style.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, October 8, 2015, 17:28:02
Power was never going to give Cooper the vote of confidence on a phone-in.

However, what Lee Power didn't do was defend Cooper to the hilt. I know most of us feel this anyway but I'm inclined to think that Power agrees that Mark Cooper is on thin ice.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: A Gent Orange on Thursday, October 8, 2015, 17:40:25
Seem the remember that Power has never been that effusive about Cooper, even in the good times. Suspect that he's always been on relatively thin ice - hence his contract being run down with no talk of renewal, even during last season.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Skinny Pete on Thursday, October 8, 2015, 17:45:44
Remember he got the boot from Posh cos he was unable to turn round a poor spell of form.

I do feel sorry for the bloke, though.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Ells on Thursday, October 8, 2015, 17:53:46
Let's all make him a cake.

On the top it can say "fuck off Cooper", so he leaves, but on the plus side, he gets a cake.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, October 8, 2015, 18:43:51
I still don't see what difference sacking Cooper is going to make. We've got a shit squad that was assembled over a summer that made me long for the days of pre-season cigar smoking under Kingy sprinkled with whoever has become subsequently available and now we're bringing in another ex-midfielder on loan.

Cooper leaving will not change the approach to recruitment that has failed this season after proving moderately successful for a year (or two at a stretch).


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Jamiesfuturewife on Thursday, October 8, 2015, 18:48:42
Let's all make him a cake.

On the top it can say "fuck off Cooper", so he leaves, but on the plus side, he gets a cake.

 :girlgiggle:


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Skinny Pete on Thursday, October 8, 2015, 19:19:22
I still don't see what difference sacking Cooper is going to make. We've got a shit squad that was assembled over a summer that made me long for the days of pre-season cigar smoking under Kingy sprinkled with whoever has become subsequently available and now we're bringing in another ex-midfielder on loan.

Cooper leaving will not change the approach to recruitment that has failed this season after proving moderately successful for a year (or two at a stretch).
Think we've got a decent squad - just so happens most of them are injured. They need direction and a different approach.

Mind you, if Power does the recruiting and Williams the coaching, just how much input does Cooper have?


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, October 8, 2015, 19:35:16
Think we've got a decent squad - just so happens most of them are injured. They need direction and a different approach.

Mind you, if Power does the recruiting and Williams the coaching, just how much input does Cooper have?
That's exactly the point - why blame Cooper when there are other influences having a severe impact on the team?

The injuries are unfortunate but the squad looks incredibly disjointed.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, October 8, 2015, 20:11:38
Let's all make him a cake.

On the top it can say "fuck off Cooper", so he leaves, but on the plus side, he gets a cake.


Ace post.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: singingiiiffy on Thursday, October 8, 2015, 22:07:25
That's exactly the point - why blame Cooper when there are other influences having a severe impact on the team?

The injuries are unfortunate but the squad looks incredibly disjointed.

You are making out that Cooper has no responsibilities. If something needs to change then unfortunately it is the only realistic scenario. The set up at Swindon if you put lee power as a director of football is no different to many clubs up and down the country and managers still leave. And the change of manager has an effect. (Not always positive) players played for di canio, it's the managers job to instil respect, motivation and get them playing to potential


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: suttonred on Friday, October 9, 2015, 01:39:42
Bessone didn't play for di canio. Nor did Clarke for that matter.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: random_five on Friday, October 9, 2015, 08:52:41
You are making out that Cooper has no responsibilities. If something needs to change then unfortunately it is the only realistic scenario. The set up at Swindon if you put lee power as a director of football is no different to many clubs up and down the country and managers still leave. And the change of manager has an effect. (Not always positive) players played for di canio, it's the managers job to instil respect, motivation and get them playing to potential

Decent post, agree with this..


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Ardiles on Friday, October 9, 2015, 08:57:14
Let's all make him a cake.

On the top it can say "fuck off Cooper", so he leaves, but on the plus side, he gets a cake.

Never stop posting, please.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, October 9, 2015, 09:09:44
Can everyone stop sucking Ells cock please? Ta.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: random_five on Friday, October 9, 2015, 09:56:38
Can everyone stop sucking Ells cock please? Ta.

Seconded


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: hammondt1 on Friday, October 9, 2015, 10:05:13
At the beginning of last season I think even the most glass half full fan would have admitted the team we had in August 2014 was at best an mid table League 1 team. However with the same model and coaches we have this season we overachieved and made it to the play off final whilst developing a lot of players throughout the season.

Things haven't clicked on the pitch, players are under performing and we have as many injuries now than we had in almost the whole of last season.  

We're playing a slow boring brand of football that is DULL and UNIMAGINATIVE and something DOES need to change. Unfortunately for 60% of you, personally i cant see Power sacking Cooper so it will be down to the current coaching team. From reports on Total Swindon and Flic it appears Coopers rolling contract comes to an end at the end of the season. So we may well get a new manager but he will be cheap so most likely inexperienced and made to play the possession game.

My advice if you want something done about the current situation is to focus efforts on contacting every member of The Sunday Times rich list to see if they can buy the club.

I reckon things will pick up once players regain fitness as there is talent in the current squad. I welcome you thoughts.....


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Skinny Pete on Friday, October 9, 2015, 10:07:21
An 'ell' is an old unit of measurement - taken from the elbow to the tip of the middle finger.

Could be a clue


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Power to people on Friday, October 9, 2015, 11:49:00
My opinion is Williams is as much to blame as Cooper is so if one goes the other should follow


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Friday, October 9, 2015, 18:04:10
hammondt1 -

It saddens me that some supporters still think we overachieved last season. I will refer to a post I made in the summer:

Low budget or not, Cooper has had our most talented group of players for years - the leagues best 'keeper, youth international standard loanees, free scoring strikers and most impressively a set of midfielders comfortably worth over £5 million between them.

If he can't deliver a promotion with that lot, however commendable an effort last season was, I do not think the man will ever deliver one.

For that reason, and the fact Power has proven to be more than shrewd in the transfer market, I would not be devastated to lose Cooper. I would of course wish him well and I do not wish to sound like I am down playing what he has done, however I do not think he can take us any further.

Over achieved my arse, we had a superb side for this level and one that arguably should have joined the shitheads in going up automatically.


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: RobertT on Friday, October 9, 2015, 18:07:06
You do realise quoting your own opinion doesn't make it FACT right? (something only OST can actually determine anyway).


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: corner on Friday, October 9, 2015, 19:10:02
Glen hoddle, he could do the job and bring the crowds back!  :clap:


Title: Re: Cooper- very simple 2 options
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Saturday, October 10, 2015, 08:48:09
Over achieved my arse, we had a superb side for this level and one that arguably should have joined the shitheads in going up automatically.

We had a superb first 11 but the squad wasn't up to it.