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Title: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: random_five on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 17:24:20
Ambition i.e spending money you don't have in the hope it pays off?

We do have money though


Title: Re: STFC Transfer Rumours
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 17:27:12
We do have money though

Where from? You mean the £500,000 from Byrne which will be paid in instalments over the next 3 years?


Title: Re: STFC Transfer Rumours
Post by: LittleRed on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 17:28:52
No it was the right time to sell Byrne even though he was decent. It's been reported that we got 3.5 for luongo and gladwin, 1m reportedly for Byrne. Even if we have half that money I can't see where it has gone. If it's covered losses then something is wrong. I'd imagine the Eddie money might be being used for the training ground. So again I can't see where any of the money has gone. It could be earmarked for something else later but we are not seeing anything yet.


Title: Re: STFC Transfer Rumours
Post by: Skinny Pete on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 17:29:15
Got to say all this about stage payments for players cuts both ways.

Anybody we bought would also be paid for over time


Title: Re: STFC Transfer Rumours
Post by: LittleRed on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 17:31:31
The only thing I can think of is a vague memory of a 4m loan that was needing to be paid back to black at some point. Maybe power has one eye on this if this is correct.


Title: Re: STFC Transfer Rumours
Post by: Skinny Pete on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 17:31:51
No it was the right time to sell Byrne even though he was decent. It's been reported that we got 3.5 for luongo and gladwin, 1m reportedly for Byrne. Even if we have half that money I can't see where it has gone. If it's covered losses then something is wrong. I'd imagine the Eddie money might be being used for the training ground. So again I can't see where any of the money has gone. It could be earmarked for something else later but we are not seeing anything yet.
I imagine Power has, quite rightly, paid himself back for the amount he put in. The Eadie money is maybe half of what is needed for a bespoke training complex.


Title: Re: STFC Transfer Rumours
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 17:31:58
No it was the right time to sell Byrne even though he was decent. It's been reported that we got 3.5 for luongo and gladwin, 1m reportedly for Byrne. Even if we have half that money I can't see where it has gone. If it's covered losses then something is wrong. I'd imagine the Eddie money might be being used for the training ground. So again I can't see where any of the money has gone. It could be earmarked for something else later but we are not seeing anything yet.

When you sell a player, the full amount doesn't instantly go to the selling club. Transfer fees are paid in instalments over the length of the players contract. We would have received very little of the Gladwin/Mas money thus far.


Title: Re: STFC Transfer Rumours
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 17:32:21
You know the mong count is up when Audrey is the voice of reason


Title: Re: STFC Transfer Rumours
Post by: Barry Scott on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 17:32:48
No it was the right time to sell Byrne even though he was decent. It's been reported that we got 3.5 for luongo and gladwin, 1m reportedly for Byrne. Even if we have half that money I can't see where it has gone. If it's covered losses then something is wrong. I'd imagine the Eddie money might be being used for the training ground. So again I can't see where any of the money has gone. It could be earmarked for something else later but we are not seeing anything yet.

Was going to reply, can't be bothered. Posted pointless reply anyway.

EDIT: Sorry Flashheart you're right.


Title: Re: STFC Transfer Rumours
Post by: @mwooly63 on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 17:33:02
Didnt we also get around £1 million for playoffs/wembley ?
Recall seeing something of the sort


Title: Re: STFC Transfer Rumours
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 17:36:24
The only thing I can think of is a vague memory of a 4m loan that was needing to be paid back to black at some point. Maybe power has one eye on this if this is correct.
Will you just bore off. It's been done to death where the money is going, read some old threads. It's paid off debts and is going on infrastructure ie the training ground. Power has openly said the next few years are more about infrastructure than on the pitch. Go start your own thread and talk to yourself!


Title: Re: STFC Transfer Rumours
Post by: Skinny Pete on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 17:36:44
You know the mong count is up when Audrey is the voice of reason
There appears to be a spurious o in count used above!


Title: Re: STFC Transfer Rumours
Post by: random_five on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 17:40:32
Where from? You mean the £500,000 from Byrne which will be paid in instalments over the next 3 years?

Oh behave - there's enough money available to spend more than £55k on transfers and you know it.


Title: Re: STFC Transfer Rumours
Post by: Skinny Pete on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 17:41:21
For some its not a question of forgetting what he said. It's whether they believe him or not


Title: Re: STFC Transfer Rumours
Post by: Kinky Tom on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 17:48:51
Oh behave - there's enough money available to spend more than £55k on transfers and you know it.

So that automatically means we should I guess, who gives a shit if we're spending 100K on a pile of shit so long as it's being spent now and not going toward what could be a more successful team of the future.  I want to win now at all costs!!

I truly hope Power puts together a strong foundation for progress over a number of years so we have the infrastructure to build a successful club for the future, if that means waiting a couple of seasons then so be it. 

I say this more to be able to rub the noses of the countless short sighted, impatient clowns than my desire to see us succeed.


Title: Re: Re: STFC Transfer Rumours
Post by: random_five on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 18:01:34
So that automatically means we should I guess, who gives a shit if we're spending 100K on a pile of shit so long as it's being spent now and not going toward what could be a more successful team of the future.  I want to win now at all costs!!

I truly hope Power puts together a strong foundation for progress over a number of years so we have the infrastructure to build a successful club for the future, if that means waiting a couple of seasons then so be it. 

I say this more to be able to rub the noses of the countless short sighted, impatient clowns than my desire to see us succeed.

Oh grow up you fucking baby.. where did I say I wanted us to spend £100k on a pile of shite?

Paragraph 3 is nonsense.





Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: Kinky Tom on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 18:14:17
Oh grow up you fucking baby.. where did I say I wanted us to spend £100k on a pile of shite?

Paragraph 3 is nonsense.

Oh the hypocrisy...

I just fail to see why we should expect money to be spent just because we've had money come in especially when we've not too long ago spent the 4th highest fee we ever paid for a player because he was the RIGHT player.  The right player just isn't available all of the time is he?  Why spend just because you can?  I can afford a £200 bottle of whiskey if I want but but it doesn't mean I should go out and get one.

How is it nonsense?  Been people ramming down our throats so much drivel recently despite all the noises coming out of the club about where the money is going.  Some of us are just fed up with it, and I know I'm not alone in the way I feel about it.  Do you really not look beyond the current season at what might be achieved more long term?
 


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: Whits on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 18:25:12
I can afford a £200 bottle of whiskey if I want but but it doesn't mean I should go out and get one.
ahem, you can get me one instead?!


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: random_five on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 18:32:03
Oh the hypocrisy...

I just fail to see why we should expect money to be spent just because we've had money come in especially when we've not too long ago spent the 4th highest fee we ever paid for a player because he was the RIGHT player.  The right player just isn't available all of the time is he?  Why spend just because you can?  I can afford a £200 bottle of whiskey if I want but but it doesn't mean I should go out and get one.

How is it nonsense?  Been people ramming down our throats so much drivel recently despite all the noises coming out of the club about where the money is going.  Some of us are just fed up with it, and I know I'm not alone in the way I feel about it.  Do you really not look beyond the current season at what might be achieved more long term?
 

We had plenty of time to find the "right player"..

Re the nonsense comment - You just worded it badly, but I take your point. The other side of the coin, in my view, is that this should at least be open for debate.  We only have 2 outfield players on our bench tonight and one of them is 17. I expected us to spend more than £55k on players to strengthen the squad, can't see how that's unreasonable. I must be a "mong".



Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: Kinky Tom on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 18:32:21
ahem, you can get me one instead?!

ok, you have the bottle, I'll keep the contents



Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: Kinky Tom on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 18:40:17
We had plenty of time to find the "right player"..

Re the nonsense comment - You just worded it badly, but I take your point. The other side of the coin, in my view, is that this should at least be open for debate.  We only have 2 outfield players on our bench tonight and one of them is 17. I expected us to spend more than £55k on players to strengthen the squad, can't see how that's unreasonable. I must be a "mong".

And if we didn't find the right player then he must not have been available.

I don't use the word mong, I don't like others using it either to be honest.  I'm just naturally a very patient person, I've got, touch wood, another 40 odd years of following Town ahead of me and if we can build to be better in the majority of those to the detriment of a couple for now then I can wait for it.  I got to breaking point over seeing the same thing written over and over day after day though.


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: Skinny Pete on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 18:44:00
I did like Power's comment that when the injured/internationals are back we've got too many players!


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: Sir Pissalot on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 18:46:58
I did like Power's comment that when the injured/internationals are back we've got too many players!

Well, he does have a point.



Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: Skinny Pete on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 18:47:14
Quite


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: Red and Proud on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 18:49:25
ahem, you can get me one instead?!
Arkwrights in Higworth is the place.


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 18:49:29
What money???!!   :sherlock:


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: Skinny Pete on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 18:50:21
Dunno. Some cunt's nicked it apparently


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 18:51:59
ahem, you can get me one instead?!
And me good chap, i may even sharea tipple with you  :beers:


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 18:53:49
Dunno. Some cunt's nicked it apparently
Thieving cunts i say


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: ronnie21 on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 19:04:32
Thieving cunts i say
And they were seen driving around in new Mercs!


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: theakston2k on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 19:53:24
We had plenty of time to find the "right player"..

Re the nonsense comment - You just worded it badly, but I take your point. The other side of the coin, in my view, is that this should at least be open for debate.  We only have 2 outfield players on our bench tonight and one of them is 17. I expected us to spend more than £55k on players to strengthen the squad, can't see how that's unreasonable. I must be a "mong".


Whose to say when everyone is back fit and settled in we haven't got the right players in already?
It's the first day of September for fucks sake at least get to double figures in terms of games played before judging!


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: leftside on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 19:58:46
Whose to say when everyone is back fit and settled in we haven't got the right players in already?
It's the first day of September for fucks sake at least get to double figures in terms of games played before judging!
Spot on.

If it transpires Power has pocketed the lot, pisses off and leaves the club with a mountain of debt, then we burn the witch.


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 20:00:02
Spot on.

If it transpires Power has pocketed the lot, pisses off and leaves the club with a mountain of debt, then we burn the witch.

Only if he weighs less than a goose


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: Sippo on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 20:01:43
I hope he has a big drive...


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 20:02:34
I hope he has a big drive...

I don't think he plays golf.


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: Sippo on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 20:17:48
Whooosh


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 21:04:10
Might have to spell it out Sippo, in yellow paint.


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Tuesday, September 1, 2015, 21:19:16
May have been an attempt at humour, in mitigation.


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, September 2, 2015, 17:42:27
*tumbleweed*  Wonder why yesterdays muppet of the day hasn't been back..


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, September 2, 2015, 17:52:38
24 hours is a long time in the lifetime of TEF panic button


Title: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, September 2, 2015, 18:01:06
Hi Suttonred. I'm still sceptical as you can't say powers has been whiter than white in the past. So by saying I don't fully trust him I think is sensible and also a view shared by many. Everyone thought jed was the bee's knees and look how that turned out.

Powers done well with the transfers and he certainly has got good contacts and an eye for talent.

Just because I share a view that is not shared by all and in some cases a less than a  well informed view it does not warrant the abuse that some shared on these forums towards me.

I am a relatively new supporter to swindon after deciding to support my local team instead of the premiership which I have very much fallen out of love with.

We all support the same team and want them to do well.


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Wednesday, September 2, 2015, 18:11:21
Everyone thought jed was the bee's knees and look how that turned out.



Not sure about that.

How would you do things differently to Power then LR? Assuming you aren't rich of course.


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, September 2, 2015, 18:16:21
Don't think I would do things differently. In terms of getting players in he has done remarkably well.


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, September 2, 2015, 18:18:03
It would be nice if access to the media was opened up. I understand Powers point of them making money from swindon but things just seem so censored and controlled now


Title: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, September 2, 2015, 18:20:11
I had enough of football fans after yesterday as I'd got a load of abuse from some pissed up Sheffield fans on Saturday as I was walking home just minding my own business.


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, September 2, 2015, 18:25:02
You're right everyone is entitled to an opinion. I just got fed up of you rehashing things without relating to the full facts. So i apologise If i came across as too aggressive. But it's always best to read back before commenting too strongly either way, as someone grumpier than me, will take umbrage!


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, September 2, 2015, 18:26:37
Just out of interest do you look like your profile picture and sit in the Drs


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, September 2, 2015, 18:29:28
Hi Suttonred. I'm still sceptical as you can't say powers has been whiter than white in the past. So by saying I don't fully trust him I think is sensible and also a view shared by many. Everyone thought jed was the bee's knees and look how that turned out.

Powers done well with the transfers and he certainly has got good contacts and an eye for talent.

Just because I share a view that is not shared by all and in some cases a less than a  well informed view it does not warrant the abuse that some shared on these forums towards me.

I am a relatively new supporter to swindon after deciding to support my local team instead of the premiership which I have very much fallen out of love with.

We all support the same team and want them to do well.

Good on you for supporting your local team. One of the differences to the (top end) Prem is having to get used to selling your assets to fund the future. Once you've seen a decades' worth of unsaleable players come and go, you'll understand the enthusiasm of some on here when we're paid millions to dismantle our team. We've literally never had such a valuable squad - Prem included. It really is a very different game, and quite exciting for the relatively few who understand it.


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, September 2, 2015, 18:32:00
One of the differences to the (top end) Prem is having to get used to selling your assets to fund the future. Once you've seen a decades' worth of unsaleable players come and go, you'll understand the enthusiasm of some on here when we're paid millions to dismantle our team. We've literally never had such a valuable squad

That makes a lot of sense


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 2, 2015, 18:36:42
group hug


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, September 2, 2015, 19:13:37
Just because I share a view that is not shared by all and in some cases a less than a  well informed view it does not warrant the abuse that some shared on these forums towards me.

You'll get used to it if you hang around. Trick is to realise that the abuse is not aimed so much at you, but at what you're saying. Therefore it is always easy to counter if you have a well reasoned argument...if you haven't then acept it, none of us are always right.


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, September 2, 2015, 19:14:41
If you're not in the clique you are fucked.

Anyone for a BBQ?


Title: Re: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, September 2, 2015, 19:25:08

Everyone thought jed was the bee's knees and look how that turned out.


Did everyone think Jed was the bees knees, I think it was more that people got a little tired of the constant carping about Jed with limited evidence and suggested that perhaps waiting and seeing - much as with Power now, although at least Power has put his money where his mouth is and seems to have a clue about football.


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: skiptotheLouMacari on Wednesday, September 2, 2015, 19:31:18
Might have to spell it out Sippo, in yellow paint.

I think you might


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, September 2, 2015, 19:33:29
Just out of interest do you look like your profile picture and sit in the Drs

Normally TE or Arkells. 8Ace is better looking than me.


Title: Re: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, September 2, 2015, 19:40:06
Did everyone think Jed was the bees knees,

There were a few of us who pointed out that there were many ways of extracting a few quid from an FC, without perhaps having a plan to sell the ground for housing etc.

Many others though were enchanted by a chairman who'd buy them a beer and have a bit of banter on Twitter.


Title: Re: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: leftside on Wednesday, September 2, 2015, 19:40:36
Did everyone think Jed was the bees knees,
Most definitely not. The unveiling of the 'consortium' in their cheap, multi-purchase red ties, especially the Lincolnshire B&B magnate (I swear he was wearing his 80s spandex rock hot pants under his suit), certainly added to the spivvyness of it all.


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, September 2, 2015, 19:45:40
He was good at PR, but shit at everything else.


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, September 2, 2015, 19:54:58
Jed was very good in having a pint, and talking total BS.


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: derbystfc on Wednesday, September 2, 2015, 20:58:22
Given time jet would have been worse for us then diamond Mike,  If anyone didn't see that then they are extremely gullible. Embargo because of a debt from the 50s?? Jet was pates idea of credible owner. Power in comparison is a huge calming breath of fresh air


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, September 2, 2015, 20:59:48
black wanted out and sold to the first person who would do the deal in his timeframe, credible or otherwise.


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: BruceChatwin on Thursday, September 10, 2015, 18:37:58
Surely our wages must be among the top half in the division now?


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and
Post by: Batch on Thursday, September 10, 2015, 19:24:12
who knows who pays what re: loans


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, September 11, 2015, 07:25:43
Power has stated the playing budget is £1.2 million and hasn't said it's changed.


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: kaufman on Friday, September 11, 2015, 07:37:00
Power did state he "broke the bank" to get Thomas.
I've a feeling it's raised slightly with Ajose and him on board.
But...The money from Byrne more than covers this of course.



Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, September 11, 2015, 08:52:29
who knows who pays what re: loans
I'm led to believe that often the parent club pays the player's wages and the club taking the loan pays 20% to cover VAT - VAT is charged because the club is hiring a 'service'.


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: suttonred on Friday, September 11, 2015, 08:55:23
I'm led to believe that often the parent club pays the player's wages and the club taking the loan pays 20% to cover VAT - VAT is charged because the club is hiring a 'service'.

They are all individual negotiations, depending on how bad you want someone. Quite often, certainly in the prem, there is a loan fee payable as well. Guess I'm saying we could be paying from 0-100% Only LP will know, but knowing him it will be nearer 0


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 11, 2015, 09:06:55
I always wondered if there are any "if he plays, we will pay 100% of his wages, if he doesn't then its 25%" type clauses.


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: suttonred on Friday, September 11, 2015, 12:20:17
Be very very surprised in this day and age if there were'nt clauses like that, after all the parent team wants them playing.


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: Power to people on Friday, September 11, 2015, 12:26:48
I always wondered if there are any "if he plays, we will pay 100% of his wages, if he doesn't then its 25%" type clauses.

Yes there is, especially from the bigger clubs as it is an incentive for the lower league club to give their players experience. It does work that stfc will agree to pay x of the wages and then they would get invoiced for that amount monthly rather than be paying any monies direct to the player, you got to remember there is Tax & NI as well in there which from memory the players' club pays.


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: Batch on Friday, September 11, 2015, 13:50:20
Yes there is, especially from the bigger clubs as it is an incentive for the lower league club to give their players experience. It does work that stfc will agree to pay x of the wages and then they would get invoiced for that amount monthly rather than be paying any monies direct to the player, you got to remember there is Tax & NI as well in there which from memory the players' club pays.

So we are financially better of by playing loan players over our own then.


Title: Re: Worrying about where the money has gone and stuff is in here.
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Saturday, September 12, 2015, 07:23:19
Yeah, if this completely hypothetical situation you've just dreamed up out of nowhere is true.