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Title: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 31, 2015, 21:37:25 According to ASD on Twitter.
http://www.flicwiltshire.com/STFC/Cooper-set-for-Sheffield-United-talks-over-vacant-hot-seat.aspx Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, May 31, 2015, 21:40:08 Way I see it with Cooper, he has done extremely well on limited budget and the style of football we play is a joy to watch. Never thought he'd do as well as he has done. Only thing is in "do or die" games we often came up very short. AG this season, Mk at home, even FA cup performances and of course last week.
If he goes I trust power to get someone good in. Would personally go for Ainsworth from Wycombe Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Abrahammer on Sunday, May 31, 2015, 21:45:46 Can understand why it would appeal to him.
Probably big pay rise, presumably full control of transfers/playing style etc. Not critising our setup but a "traditional" managers role must be tempting for him. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, May 31, 2015, 21:47:46 Part of me wants him to go, because I want to find out who is really behind all the good things going on on the pitch*
*That silly game at Wembley didn't happen. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, May 31, 2015, 21:49:12 I really don't think it would affect us to much, in fact I think he would struggle at Sheffield United.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, May 31, 2015, 21:50:00 whilst we have had a successful season I do keep thinking about whether another manager could have got more out of players and got us promoted. When we played well we were very good, when we sturggled we never found a remedy. Tactically how good is cooper? I don't think that many of our fan base will be distraught at him leaving. On the flip side he has been in charge of our highest finish in 15 years and we should be grateful for that.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Costanza on Sunday, May 31, 2015, 21:52:16 Steele-Davis often jumps the gun but it wouldn't surprise me if true.
I know we can't go by everything they say but the local press have never fully dismissed the notion of Cooper leaving when they've happily cleared transfer rumours. I think Sheffield United have to be very careful with this decision whether it involves Mark Cooper or not. League One is there for the taking. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Sunday, May 31, 2015, 21:57:45 I wonder if Cooper is was seen playing as Sheffield United on Football Manager, and it's just got out of hand.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: reeves4england on Sunday, May 31, 2015, 22:13:03 The/a big question is, if Cooper leaves does Luke Williams go with him?
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Costanza on Sunday, May 31, 2015, 22:16:19 Depends where Williams' loyalties lie.
I don't think Cooper and Williams were associates pre-Swindon were they? Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Sunday, May 31, 2015, 22:18:05 Depends where Williams' loyalties lie. I don't think Cooper and Williams were associates pre-Swindon were they? No I'm pretty sure they weren't. Which probably means they were. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: DMR on Sunday, May 31, 2015, 22:29:23 Playoff finalists with a load of kids on a shoestring and the majority on here will be pleased to see the back of him. I love this forum.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, May 31, 2015, 22:32:37 Playoff finalists with a load of kids on a shoestring and the majority on here will be pleased to see the back of him. I love this forum. Yeah, because the majority have said that.... Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Costanza on Sunday, May 31, 2015, 22:35:20 General response thus far leans towards 'meh' than 'noooooooo' from what I've read so far (beyond TEF) which is interesting.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: luckyluke699 on Sunday, May 31, 2015, 22:41:24 Whether you believe its LP or MC behind the strategy and transfers, the fact is that we've done well, and this could upset the ST apple cart at an important time!
Personally I hope the story is a load of of bull... But not surprised Coops has a few admiring suitors Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: singingiiiffy on Sunday, May 31, 2015, 22:41:28 Playoff finalists with a load of kids on a shoestring and the majority on here will be pleased to see the back of him. I love this forum. The fact is we have had some fantastic talent through our doors and the transfer fees and interest is evident in this, no one else in our league has been commanding fees anywhere near what we look to be getting. The team has been built by power, players have openly said Williams is one of the best coaches they have ever worked with. I don't mind keeping cooper and he has done well but this success isn't down to the manager making them perform way above their ability Would I fancy cooper if we were in a relegation battle? Not in a million years. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: bigbobjoylove on Monday, June 1, 2015, 04:36:37 The team has been built by power, players have openly said Williams is one of the best coaches they have ever worked with. I don't mind keeping cooper and he has done well but this success isn't down to the manager making them perform way above their ability Exactly. If Cooper were to go, would have no worries about us replacing him with someone just as good if not better. Be that Williams as Head Coach with a new assistant. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: tans on Monday, June 1, 2015, 05:25:32 He'll be gone.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: kerry red on Monday, June 1, 2015, 06:04:14 The/a big question is, if Cooper leaves does Luke Williams go with him? I did moot this a while ago from what I was told.Williams to remain coach with a DoF. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, June 1, 2015, 06:31:29 Playoff finalists with a load of kids on a shoestring and the majority on here will be pleased to see the back of him. I love this forum. Absolutely nobody has said they would be pleased to see the back of him.Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Monday, June 1, 2015, 06:34:42 Didn't think Cooper should have got the job when he did. He definitely won me around with his (sometimes too) calm talking and a good season.
Bit worried that even if you believe its Power/Williams doing it behind the scenes that i) Its damaged our stock with other teams re:loans. If Sheff U believed that it was Power/Williams they wouldn't be talking to him (unless William IS off too) why wouldn't other teams (Villa/QPR/Norwich aside!). ii) There are no guarantees Williamss could step into the spotlight. Mind you, don't blame Cooper. A much bigger club is knocking, the team is being destroyed, and pulling shit like forced playing of Agombar* and resting players* to such extremes would piss off anyone. *educated guesswork. Bit worry/gutting that a successful formula is being tinkered with. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: herthab on Monday, June 1, 2015, 07:17:18 John Gorman used to get loads of credit from the players and was considered a very good coach.....
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: @mwooly63 on Monday, June 1, 2015, 07:19:14 John Gorman used to get loads of credit from the players and was considered a very good coach..... And we know how well that worked out Hoddle obv thought a lot of him as took him everywhere inc England Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Barry Scott on Monday, June 1, 2015, 07:20:17 I'd be gutted if he left, but can't say I blame him. It's also funny how many refuse to give him any credit whatsoever. I love how many think that it's Williams pulling the strings with no proof at all; the mind boggles at how little credit people want to give him.
I guess we'll see how he does elsewhere, but he'll be a massive loss in my opinion. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Monday, June 1, 2015, 07:20:37 Yes but the problem Gorman had from the off wasn't just that he was taking over, but that he was taking over a team that had lost most of it's stand out players post a Wembley appearance....oh
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Monday, June 1, 2015, 07:23:19 My concern is that Cooper will know our summer targets.
Not such an issue with potential loanees, but if there are some Gladwin/ Kasim style rough diamonds in the mix, what's to stop him poaching them for Shef U, who will be able and willing to pay more even if it's on a 'punt' Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: pauld on Monday, June 1, 2015, 07:24:40 I'd be gutted if he left, but can't say I blame him. It's also funny how many refuse to give him any credit whatsoever. I love how many think that it's Williams pulling the strings with no proof at all; the mind boggles at how little credit people want to give him. I don't think people do think it's Williams pulling the strings, the common narrative seems to be it's Power pulling the strings, Williams doing the coaching and that leaves Cooper .. fronting up to the press and leaning against the dugout on matchdays? I agree that gives him far too little credit, equally he's not done it all on his own. The 3 of them - Power, Cooper and Williams - have proven to be a very effective team, and pulling that kind of unit apart to bet on the bits that you reckon really make it tick is a risky business. Sometimes it isn't any one component but the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts etc...Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Monday, June 1, 2015, 07:25:17 I love how many think that it's Williams pulling the strings with no proof at all; Bloody hope they are right if Cooper leaves, I think. Agombar got a game so maybe its not all good. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Islington Red on Monday, June 1, 2015, 07:26:18 Neil Redfearn would be a good choice as would Warbuton but I don't think that is realistic
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Monday, June 1, 2015, 07:26:36 pulling that kind of unit apart to bet on the bits that you reckon really make it tick is a risky business. Sometimes it isn't any one component but the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts etc... Exactly. Oh and still reckon Sheff U ditching Clough a day after Wembley isn't coincidence. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Quagmire on Monday, June 1, 2015, 07:26:57 If he does go, I wouldn't be surprised to see Ricketts appointed as player/manager/coach. If not him then someone who was worked with a DOF, Tisdsle?
I'm strangely relaxed about the whole thing, despite watching a promotion chasing team ripped apart including what now looks like the manager. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, June 1, 2015, 07:27:11 Whatever happens I trust Power to get it right again.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: brocklesby red on Monday, June 1, 2015, 08:10:58 No mention of Mark Cooper on the Sheff utd forums so hope it's all just bollocks. I like Mark Coopers laid back style although I appreciate it may annoy others. Hopefully,some news of in comings this week and not just outgoing
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: kaufman on Monday, June 1, 2015, 08:15:35 No mention of Mark Cooper on the Sheff utd forums so hope it's all just bollocks. I like Mark Coopers laid back style although I appreciate it may annoy others. Hopefully,some news of in comings this week and not just outgoing http://boards.footymad.net/forum.php?tno=463&fid=221&sty=2&act=1&mid=2109995158 Interesting point about him be able to work alongside Chris Morgan. That could swing it for him Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: suttonred on Monday, June 1, 2015, 08:22:40 They picked it up off here, I call bollocks to this story (at the moment anyway)
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: kaufman on Monday, June 1, 2015, 08:29:30 Okay, fair enough.
I call truth to this story (at the moment anyway) Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: ronnie21 on Monday, June 1, 2015, 08:30:09 My concern is that Cooper will know our summer targets. If he were to go Blades would want instant success - won't be prepared to take time to develop players.Not such an issue with potential loanees, but if there are some Gladwin/ Kasim style rough diamonds in the mix, what's to stop him poaching them for Shef U, who will be able and willing to pay more even if it's on a 'punt' Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: ronnie21 on Monday, June 1, 2015, 08:33:34 Just been chatting to a friend who lives in Rotherham but supports the Blades, he has not heard this and reckons they are after Nigel Adkins or the guy from the Franchise!
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: GL5 Arkells Stand on Monday, June 1, 2015, 08:35:46 If he goes there, he'll be under pressure from the off - no developing players, no being given time to get it right - and Sheffield United have currently got very similar defensive problems to ours, with no central defenders who are able to head the ball.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 1, 2015, 08:56:15 No smoke without fire.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Bewster on Monday, June 1, 2015, 08:57:46 My view on this is simple :
Coops has done a great job on the budget and lets face it none of us know what the hierarchy is and who is or is not picking the team so any comment on that is wasted effort. He is a decent chap, comes across well and but unfortunately for him it has been in the shadow of the nutsfest* that was PDC's reign. However, do I think Cooper is the man to take us out of this league ? Probably not - he has tried, come close but no cigar. Maybe now is the time for a change and a new face (and somebody who can get us defending) and Bring The Noise back * Copyright Batch Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: lambourn red on Monday, June 1, 2015, 09:07:54 My concern is that Cooper will know our summer targets. I think Power is cuter than that I think he is in total control of the transfer dealings and would not be surprised if Cooper does not know as much as he thinks he does of potential rough diamonds.Not such an issue with potential loanees, but if there are some Gladwin/ Kasim style rough diamonds in the mix, what's to stop him poaching them for Shef U, who will be able and willing to pay more even if it's on a 'punt' If Coops does go he is going to be under massive pressure at Bramall Lane as they are red hot favourites for next season in what looks like an even weaker league to this year .I would be surprised if he did get the job but I would imagine he will be a cheap option for them as I cant imagine he is on a great amount at STFC Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Monday, June 1, 2015, 09:18:42 It’s interesting that, for the man who has taken us to our highest league finish in 15 years, his potential departure is being met with a shrug by most on here.
Says a lot about our system, or at least how we perceive it to work. It will be interesting to see how we do without him, Power thinks we can stay competitive with a huge turnover of players each year (and, to be fair, so far he’s been proven right). Can we stay competitive with the same turn over in coaching staff. I hope so, being less reliant on an individual manager, when the average tenure is less than 2 years, can only be a good thing. Incidentally I wouldn’t blame him for going, his stock is high at the moment and with a practically a whole new squad for next year, there’s no guarantee he’ll be as well thought of in 12 months time, and even if he is, a job as big as Shef U may not be available then. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Monday, June 1, 2015, 09:26:49 Quote from: suttonred They picked it up off here, I call bollocks to this story (at the moment anyway) as ASD said, he originally wasn't in their top 3 candidates. could see him being on the list though, so not inconceivable they failed with their top 3. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Posh Red on Monday, June 1, 2015, 09:50:03 Would be more concerned if we didn't have Power, as he is so involved in player recruitment.
Would say that it's better to get it sorted quickly though, think it would help with getting players in if they knew who was going to be the coach/manager As for Cooper I'm firmly in the done a good job camp, but managers seem to come & go so quickly now that it's hard to get too attached to them Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: joteddyred on Monday, June 1, 2015, 10:06:05 My view on this is simple : Coops has done a great job on the budget and lets face it none of us know what the hierarchy is and who is or is not picking the team so any comment on that is wasted effort. He is a decent chap, comes across well and but unfortunately for him it has been in the shadow of the nutsfest* that was PDC's reign. However, do I think Cooper is the man to take us out of this league ? Probably not - he has tried, come close but no cigar. Maybe now is the time for a change and a new face (and somebody who can get us defending) and Bring The Noise back * Copyright Batch This is exactly how I feel and I posted a similar comment on the inquest thread about not being sure he was the man to get us out of League 1. Nothing really to back this up, other than a feeling and perhaps the lack of ability to change things tactically this season when required. Financially, it would be a great move for him, but he really would have to hit the ground running there. As others have said, he'll get very little patience from Sheff Utd supporters if it takes a while for him to bed in. I'm not sure they'd see it as a particularly great appointment either, so he may have to win them over from the off. All hypothetical at the moment of course, but if he is going to leave, I'd rather it happens quickly, so we can start the rebuild. It's certainly going to be an interesting summer again. Title: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Monday, June 1, 2015, 10:21:55 with our current finances I'm not sure we need someone brought in to mount a title assault. nice if it happens mind.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Bewster on Monday, June 1, 2015, 10:55:41 how about Mark Warburton as a replacement?
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Monday, June 1, 2015, 10:58:37 Warburton will be in demand, can't see him coming here and dancing to Powers tune.
IF He and Power think he's ready/ up to it I'd give Williams the gig, if not I'd like to see Paul Tisdale come in. He's worked with DoFs, and on limited budgets at Exeter. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Sippo on Monday, June 1, 2015, 11:03:01 War-Burton... that fucking advert is annoying as fuck.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, June 1, 2015, 11:03:41 He's targeted by Rangers if/when McCall is sacked
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: pauld on Monday, June 1, 2015, 11:07:00 Warburton will be in demand, can't see him coming here and dancing to Powers tune. Plus we could add a new revenue stream selling replica cravats and smoking jackets in the club shop. We'd all look like Noel Coward impersonators in the stands.IF He and Power think he's ready/ up to it I'd give Williams the gig, if not I'd like to see Paul Tisdale come in. He's worked with DoFs, and on limited budgets at Exeter. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: horlock07 on Monday, June 1, 2015, 11:11:01 Warburton will be in demand, can't see him coming here and dancing to Powers tune. IF He and Power think he's ready/ up to it I'd give Williams the gig, if not I'd like to see Paul Tisdale come in. He's worked with DoFs, and on limited budgets at Exeter. I thought we hated Tisdale - or am I not keeping up! Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Tails on Monday, June 1, 2015, 11:12:05 I would be sad to see Cooper go. He's done an excellent job here on limited resources and with a fanbase that hasnt been very supportive of him overall.
However I do question the impact he would have at Brammall Lane, without the influence of Power and Williams. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, June 1, 2015, 11:12:30 I was hoping that Rambo would get the gig, assuming that QPR wouldn't fancy him after relegation.
Appleton, might fit the bill. The Scummers don't rate him as they're used to hoofball, and Appleton likes playing out from the back.... Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: horlock07 on Monday, June 1, 2015, 11:14:46 Appleton, might fit the bill. The Scummers don't rate him as they're used to hoofball, and Appleton likes playing out from the back.... Oohh you are a little Troll Smeeton! :girlgiggle: Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Monday, June 1, 2015, 11:14:57 Appleton, might fit the bill. The Scummers don't rate him as they're used to hoofball, and Appleton likes playing out from the back.... Troll alert, troll alert. Nobody could seriously suggest that serial football failure as an alternative. And that's without his Oxford connections being taken into account. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, June 1, 2015, 11:20:38 Troll alert, troll alert. Nobody could seriously suggest that serial football failure as an alternative. And that's without his Oxford connections being taken into account. The key is it will have to be someone, willing to fit into Power's input, which appears to be outlining a style of play and a very large say in transfers......so he basically wants a coach, with some managerial qualities. Appleton managed to keep the Scum in the FL this season, no small achievement. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: pauld on Monday, June 1, 2015, 11:22:10 Fucking hell Reg, you're starting early this summer
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Monday, June 1, 2015, 11:30:51 haha nice try reg.
malpas would be better received than Appleton Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, June 1, 2015, 11:40:41 I'd rather put Reg in charge. The interviews alone would be worth it.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: RJack on Monday, June 1, 2015, 11:46:32 Whilst Cooper has done an excellent job for us I'm not surprised to hear other clubs looking at him. Tbh the one member of staff we don't want to lose is Luke Williams an excellent coach who has managed to get the best of some of our players. Nathan Thompson & Louis spring to mind
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Panda Paws on Monday, June 1, 2015, 11:48:01 Don't think Williams wants to play bad cop, discipline players.... actually be a manager - and that's what we need. Whoever we do go for obviously needs to fit into the model - They're at best an equal part of football management team of four.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: RJack on Monday, June 1, 2015, 11:53:24 That's fair enough. I just hope we don't lose Luke as well because I think he's done a grand job for us and a bit of an unsung hero.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, June 1, 2015, 12:04:20 That's fair enough. I just hope we don't lose Luke as well because I think he's done a grand job for us and a bit of an unsung hero. Sherwood is a known admirer of Luke Williams coaching.Title: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Monday, June 1, 2015, 12:10:53 how do you know that rjack?
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Monday, June 1, 2015, 12:12:59 Sherwood is a known admirer of Luke Williams coaching. Well then, Coops to Shef U, Williams to Villa as Assistant and KMac back here for a second spell. Sorted. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, June 1, 2015, 12:16:13 haha nice try reg. malpas would be better received than Appleton I'm just trying to think of the type of man, we're going to need, giving our model. Obviously, someone old skool isn't going to work, also we're not going to be able to afford someone with a proven track record. Appleton is a bit unrealistic atm, as he's under contract, and I don't think we've ever paid out for an in work boss, with the possible exception of Bob Smith. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Power to people on Monday, June 1, 2015, 15:14:58 I do find it odd though that Morshead has remained silent on this ok Flic seems to have something as he swears his info is correct, but usually Sam has been quick to poo poo ASD's transfer rumours but this time he is saying nothing.
Odd for Morshead to stay silent which does make me wonder if there is more to this story and Sam is waiting for the right to fire in there and steal ASD thunder. the Sheff Utd co chair seems to have suggested that there will be some sort of announcement later this evening - their fans want Nigel Adkins so if they end up with Cooper they may be a tad disappointed. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: herthab on Monday, June 1, 2015, 15:21:38 That's fair enough. I just hope we don't lose Luke as well because I think he's done a grand job for us and a bit of an unsung hero. If there's one thing that Williams definitely isn't, it's unsung. Everyone raves about him, from players to supporters.Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Monday, June 1, 2015, 15:50:40 the Sheff Utd co chair seems to have suggested that there will be some sort of announcement later this evening - their fans want Nigel Adkins so if they end up with Cooper they may be a tad disappointed. Adkins down to 1/4 now and Coopers slipped to 16/1. Bookies often wrong, but the fact that only ASD has reported this either means he's got a incredible scoop or there's nothing to it Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Costanza on Monday, June 1, 2015, 15:50:47 The thing is, as much as I like Cooper and hoped that he would stay on, we can't have someone in charge this summer with an eye on other jobs elsewhere.
This squad rebuild is far too important for that. If FLIC's story is true and Cooper wanted talks, he probably should leave Swindon regardless. Perhaps I'm being harsh and/or unrealistic. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: @mwooly63 on Monday, June 1, 2015, 15:54:20 The thing is, as much as I like Cooper and hoped that he would stay on, we can't have someone in charge this summer with an eye on other jobs elsewhere. This squad rebuild is far too important for that. If FLIC's story is true and Cooper wanted talks, he probably should leave Swindon regardless. Perhaps I'm being harsh and/or realistic. Neither harsh nor unrealistic. Could do one in the middle of preseason which wouldn't be the best scenario. IF the FLIC story is true that is Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: DiV on Monday, June 1, 2015, 15:56:13 I don't think we will know how much influence Cooper has had in his time here, till he goes.
He might have been nothing more than a puppet or he might be the brains behind the whole thing. If he does go - I'll throw out the name Ian Culverhouse, just because I have done the last 4 or 5 times our job has come up. Excellent record as Paul Lamberts #2 working their way up from L1 to the Premiership. No idea what exactly he was sacked for at Villa mind you. Plus he played for us and was good! Although the younger generation of fans won't have heard of him... Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, June 1, 2015, 16:06:00 Plus he played for us and was good! Although the younger generation of fans won't have heard of him... Outside of the old player manager template which we had in the 90's, the ex player turned manager doesn't have much to commend it.....John Trollope, Jimmy Quinn, Iffy Onuora, all achieved a relegation on their CV. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, June 1, 2015, 16:27:28 Haven't read back.
If he's staying...great. If he's going...fuck off quickly. It's ground zero and we need as much time as possible. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Stevens on Monday, June 1, 2015, 16:29:39 Looks like Adkins for Sheff Utd
http://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/it-isnt-adkins.40222/page-4 Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: tans on Monday, June 1, 2015, 16:58:51 Culverhouse was sacked for bullying or something like that iirc
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Exiled Bob on Monday, June 1, 2015, 18:30:51 Outside of the old player manager template which we had in the 90's, the ex player turned manager doesn't have much to commend it.....John Trollope, Jimmy Quinn, Iffy Onuora, all achieved a relegation on their CV. But they all managed the club when it was going through serious decline to be fair to them - especially Quinn.With the exception of Cooper, the managers that have been successful over the last 20-30 years have all had pretty good backing financially. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, June 1, 2015, 18:37:03 But they all managed the club when it was going through serious decline to be fair to them - especially Quinn. With the exception of Cooper, the managers that have been successful over the last 20-30 years have all had pretty good backing financially. True, they've been relatively successful spending money we didn't have, as soon as we've tried for a more sustainable model....ie low wages, we've been relegated....the 3 mentioned all being a cheap option. If it's Cooper or AN Other next season....they've got a tough looking job in front of them. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: herthab on Monday, June 1, 2015, 18:41:24 True, they've been relatively successful spending money we didn't have, as soon as we've tried for a more sustainable model....ie low wages, we've been relegated....the 3 mentioned all being a cheap option. Which is what most people thought at the end of the previous season.....If it's Cooper or AN Other next season....they've got a tough looking job in front of them. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Exiled Bob on Monday, June 1, 2015, 18:43:13 True, they've been relatively successful spending money we didn't have, as soon as we've tried for a more sustainable model....ie low wages, we've been relegated.... ......and at least twice with high wages.Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Monday, June 1, 2015, 18:59:12 To be fair to Reg, its obviously a bigger risk with what will probably be untried youngsters .
Somehow keep what we have left an I'd be much more confident. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Monday, June 1, 2015, 19:13:06 Quote Sam Morshead @SamMorshead_ 33s34 seconds ago Understand Mark Cooper has not held formal talks with Sheff Utd re manager's job. Sounded out as potential candidate but nothing further. Doesn't really answer much but there it is.. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Costanza on Monday, June 1, 2015, 20:01:53 An over eager Andrew Steele-Davis causes a day of discussion. He could have waited a day or two so we can spread our pre-season news over the weeks...!
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Monday, June 1, 2015, 20:07:51 An over eager Andrew Steele-Davis causes a day of discussion. He could have waited a day or two so we can spread our pre-season news over the weeks...! He was quick to stamp down that it was his exclusive too.. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: leftside on Monday, June 1, 2015, 20:28:53 Haven't read back. Yes to this.If he's staying...great. If he's going...fuck off quickly. It's ground zero and we need as much time as possible. Early days, of course, but looking at the make-up of the third division for 2015-16, a half-decent squad led by a manager with knowledge of getting out of the third tier have a great chance of promotion. Not sure Town could afford this though. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Mother Brown on Monday, June 1, 2015, 21:02:41 He was quick to stamp down that it was his exclusive too.. Is he anything to do with the builders,from Devizes ?Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 04:45:40 Seems it was bollocks
http://totalswindonsport.com/2015/06/no-blades-discussions-for-cooper/ Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Red and Proud on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 06:08:48 Seems it was bollocks As I said, until one of the three confirm it, Power, Cooper or Morshead, then.....http://totalswindonsport.com/2015/06/no-blades-discussions-for-cooper/ Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 06:26:33 I think ' bollocks ' is a bit strong, early interest not followed up.
can understand cooper being interested in a big club, all managers would be, would be nice to know he's not looking to leave though Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 06:35:08 AS-D should have probably sat on it for a little while longer to see how things develop but a scoop is a scoop I suppose.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: THE FLASH on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 06:51:11 No hurry to leave my job but listen to anybody that wants to talk.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Paolo69 on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 07:20:45 I'm still a bit confused on how a club can "offer talks" without Power's permission. Coops is under contract after all.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 07:24:14 Glad to hear this. Think we are better off with a rebuild from the current leadership team rather than having to bring in others. I'm intrigued to see whether the philosophy stands the test of a second major rebuild - I hope so.
EDIT: I mean I am glad to hear that Cooper is not going......yet. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 08:22:17 I'm still a bit confused on how a club can "offer talks" without Power's permission. Coops is under contract after all. Would be a call to LP or MC, "would you be interested if"... If answer is no, no offiacl approach. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 08:26:18 Is ASD becoming the new Chang?
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 08:31:08 AS-D should have probably sat on it for a little while longer to see how things develop but a scoop is a scoop I suppose. Apart from when it's not, like this case. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: ronnie21 on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 08:39:28 Is ASD becoming the new Chang? Fuck me, forgotten about him!!Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 09:35:28 Apart from when it's not, like this case. ;) Quite. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 09:44:45 I imagine that this kind of thing may happen a bit more with multiple media outlets- whereas before the Adver may have sat on a story for a few hours to corroborate it with other sources/see if goes anywhere, the new reality of having multiple competing outlets means that they're going to rush a story out to scoop others, even if it's not a particularly strong story yet.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 10:01:29 I imagine that this kind of thing may happen a bit more with multiple media outlets- whereas before the Adver may have sat on a story for a few hours to corroborate it with other sources/see if goes anywhere, the new reality of having multiple competing outlets means that they're going to rush a story out to scoop others, even if it's not a particularly strong story yet. Better to be right than first - even now. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: ronnie21 on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 10:16:46 I imagine that this kind of thing may happen a bit more with multiple media outlets- whereas before the Adver may have sat on a story for a few hours to corroborate it with other sources/see if goes anywhere, the new reality of having multiple competing outlets means that they're going to rush a story out to scoop others, even if it's not a particularly strong story yet. You are talking about the Swindon Advertiser are you not? Their scoops are usually six days old and not factual in any case!!Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 11:07:38 You are talking about the Swindon Advertiser are you not? Their scoops are usually six days old and not factual in any case!! You may note the use of the word "before" - as in when the Adver was good, which, to be fair, they were for large parts of the previous decade. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Bumpkin on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 11:56:32 Blame Twitter. Anyone can publish stuff now.
TansMedia generally more reliable. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: ronnie21 on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 12:10:42 You may note the use of the word "before" - as in when the Adver was good, which, to be fair, they were for large parts of the previous decade. Fair enough, when I worked up there in production many, many moons ago it was a decent paper, certainly couldn't call it that now! Last week they did a small article on a charity event at the Moonrakers, told everyone it was in South Marston!Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 12:11:15 Atkins set to be confirmed SheffU boss later today..
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 12:15:56 I'm confused.
The original story on Flic seems to be backed up by the one on Total Sport - talks did occur, albeit an informal chat. What am I missing? Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 13:07:38 Quote from: jonny72 I'm confused. The original story on Flic seems to be backed up by the one on Total Sport - talks did occur, albeit an informal chat. What am I missing? a sense of outrage. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 13:44:18 Atkins set to be confirmed SheffU boss later today.. The old Scum boss....bit of a surprise. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 16:47:17 OK - 'thicko alert' - What are ASD and Flic?
I'm sure the answers are embarassingly obvious but I can't think what the fuck they are right now ::) Edit: I think I've answered my own question - they're just different versions of Mooshead's lot. Got it :doh: Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: STFCFORLIFE on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 16:49:32 OK - 'thicko alert' - What are ASD and Flic? I'm sure the answers are embarassingly obvious but I can't think what the fuck they are right now ::) ASD is Andrew Steele Davis the sports journalist and FLIC is FLIC Wiltshire :D Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 16:51:49 ASD is Andrew Steele Davis the sports journalist and FLIC is FLIC Wiltshire :D OK, yep got it now. Thanks.Carry on - nothing to see here 8) Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: @mwooly63 on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 16:52:33 OK - 'thicko alert' - What are ASD and Flic? I'm sure the answers are embarassingly obvious but I can't think what the fuck they are right now ::) Andrew Steele Davis Reporter for Flic which is another online media outlet, similar to Total Swindon ( Morsheads employer ) Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 16:59:26 Andrew Steele Davis Thanks - I'm sure I had read that somewhere, I just have a very short attenti......LOOK, A BIRD!!!Reporter for Flic which is another online media outlet, similar to Total Swindon ( Morsheads employer ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsKOYQ7z9CE Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 19:34:52 Fuck me, forgotten about him!! Where's he disappeared off to? Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: leftside on Tuesday, June 2, 2015, 19:45:45 Atkins set to be confirmed SheffU boss later today.. Cert faves for promotion (and massive pressure of expectation).Title: Re: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Honkytonk on Wednesday, June 3, 2015, 08:26:23 Where's he disappeared off to? He's probably on holiday with Jason Roberts.Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: JayBox325 on Wednesday, June 3, 2015, 08:42:30 Andrew Steele Davis Reporter for Flic which is another online media outlet, similar to Total Swindon ( Morsheads employer ) Haha. I read this as the quote on OST's post. I instantly thought "That can't be his Twitter bio"... then scrolled up to see that is wasn't anything half as funny as that. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, June 3, 2015, 17:39:51 Adkins' appointment secures Sheffield United one of the two automatic spots. Cooper was never going to get a look in as he has not delivered a football league promotion and that is what they need.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: herthab on Wednesday, June 3, 2015, 19:04:20 Adkins' appointment secures Sheffield United one of the two automatic spots. Cooper was never going to get a look in as he has not delivered a football league promotion and that is what they need. Adkins appointment secures fuck all.Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: JoeMezz on Wednesday, June 3, 2015, 19:14:53 Adkins' appointment secures Sheffield United one of the two automatic spots. Cooper was never going to get a look in as he has not delivered a football league promotion and that is what they need. He did pretty well at Reading to be fair Title: Re: Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, June 3, 2015, 20:38:01 Adkins CV is better, end of.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, June 3, 2015, 20:45:50 With their budget and resources, a monkey should be able to get them up in all honesty.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: joteddyred on Wednesday, June 3, 2015, 21:41:36 With their budget and resources, a monkey should be able to get them up in all honesty. Doesn't say much for Clough really! Title: Re: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: london_red on Thursday, June 4, 2015, 16:38:10 With their budget and resources, a monkey should be able to get them up in all honesty. Didn't know Peter Reid was in the runningTitle: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: lambourn red on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 06:52:46 Checkout Darren ward's interview in the adver heaping praise on Luke Williams but the bit at the end about Cooper is pretty damning especially from a guy who has been professional until the end.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 07:09:52 that's um, well, if the adver haven't edited it too much it's basically saying Williams is the man and Cooper is nothing but someone in the right place at the right time.
like you say, many have said this kind of thing before, but this is the first person you'd believe! I'll stick up for Cooper to say he's at least very good at staying calm in interviews. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Uncletrunx on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 07:26:57 Adkins' appointment secures Sheffield United one of the two automatic spots. Cooper was never going to get a look in as he has not delivered a football league promotion and that is what they need. If Adkins is good enough to secure promotion without the need to play any football matches, no wonder they went for him. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: REDBUCK on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 07:46:52 Checkout Darren ward's interview in the adver heaping praise on Luke Williams but the bit at the end about Cooper is pretty damning especially from a guy who has been professional until the end. Well If that's the case then Williams had some work to do on improving the defensive side of his much lauded methods Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: ronnie21 on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 08:16:32 Checkout Darren ward's interview in the adver heaping praise on Luke Williams but the bit at the end about Cooper is pretty damning especially from a guy who has been professional until the end. Read between the lines, it seems to me it was financial as his contract specified a certain number of games - he stopped at 79!Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: kerry red on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 08:17:31 Williams is the real proponent of 3-5-2 and the only reason we play it is to attract the good PL youngsters.
Heard a worrying thing about someone else having input into 'tactics' and to all intents and purposes overruling Cooper - and it's not Power. No wonder he's looking for an out - much for the same reason Macdonald left. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 08:40:01 [quote author=Audrey link=topic=55840.msg1334198#msg1334198 date=
Heard a worrying thing about someone else having input into 'tactics' and to all intents and purposes overruling Cooper - and it's not Power. [/quote] Gareth Barry? Tommy Agombar? Sheena Easton? Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: kerry red on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 08:54:50 Gareth Barry's agent
Title: Re: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 09:02:14 Gareth Barry's agent Michael Standing?Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: kerry red on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 09:05:50 Yep
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 09:36:28 If that's true, its clearly unacceptable.
Would confirm the 'Barry is an investor' rumour though. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: kerry red on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 09:40:39 I'm really only on about one specific incident relating prior to the Wembley debacle
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 09:48:28 I'm really only on about one specific incident relating prior to the Wembley debacle Well, you may as well spill it now, assuming it doesn't betray anyone's confidence. We'll take it as a rumour rather than fact, honest. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: herthab on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 09:52:15 Read between the lines, it seems to me it was financial as his contract specified a certain number of games - he stopped at 79! Anyone who saw Ward's last few games for us would find it hard to believe the reason wasn't due to the fact that he was playing like an OAP. His legs had gone and he was obviously uncomfortable with the system. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 09:53:47 If that's true, its clearly unacceptable. Why? It seems to be working just fine, albeit with a dodgy defence. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 09:58:58 Why? It seems to be working just fine, albeit with a dodgy defence. I find it hard to believe you need it spelt out as to why it would be unacceptable for a football agent that isn't employed by the club would have influence over and above the manager. You contrary sod you :) Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 10:01:02 Anyone who saw Ward's last few games for us would find it hard to believe the reason wasn't due to the fact that he was playing like an OAP. His legs had gone and he was obviously uncomfortable with the system. Agree with that to a large extent. But to be totally frozen out in the way he was seemed bizarre and to be honest a bit shoddy to me. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 10:02:14 I find it hard to believe you need it spelt out as to why it would be unacceptable for a football agent that isn't employed by the club would have influence over and above the manager. You contrary sod you :) I'm not being a contrary sod at all. If it works, it works. Why do people always have a tendency to jump to the negative rather than the positive or even neutral? Title: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 10:13:57 why do people always jump into 'everything is awesome' whenever there is anything remotely worrying.
if the effects of years undue influence from advisors and a complete lack of transparency from the club haven't taught you anything about why I think this may again be a bad thing this time around there isn't much I can do to make you change your mind. though given its only an unspecified rumour I'm not going to lose sleep over this one just yet. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: A Gent Orange on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 10:19:35 Didn't we have similar rumours about influence with Di Canio and Phil Spencer and Colin Todd and his agent?
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 10:33:27 Didn't we have similar rumours about influence with Di Canio and Phil Spencer and Colin Todd and his agent? Yes, as all the evidence pointed in that direction.....the signing of players like Heiselberg, Cobian etc under T*dd and Atiku, Lanzano, Comazzi etc under PdC couldn't really be explained in any other way. The current regime's signings have been a lot more focused, I'm giving Agombar to McCrory.....Tijane Reis :hmmm: Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 10:38:37 To me Tijane was a simply a gamble that didn't pay off. He'd been highly rated in the past, hadn't lived up to the hype for whatever reason, so we took a chance on him. Can't imagine he was on a lot and when it became clear we weren't the ones to finally unlock his potential we got rid.
Don't see it as a suspicious signing at all Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Panda Paws on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 11:01:39 Why on earth is there outcry that our defacto director of football is having an influence on..... Football? It's a management team of four. Standing, Power, Cooper, Williams. All bringing their own skills to the table. Why is that worrying, or a problem.....
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 11:06:26 Why on earth is there outcry that our defacto director of football is having an influence on..... Football? It's a management team of four. Standing, Power, Cooper, Williams. All bringing their own skills to the table. Why is that worrying, or a problem..... There's no actual football atm, and as most players are on holiday, it quite rightly goes quiet, that's what a close season is for. This means that folk have to make up bollocks to fill the vacuum...it's what the TEF is good at. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 11:07:23 Why on earth is there outcry that our defacto director of football is having an influence on..... Football? It's a management team of four. Standing, Power, Cooper, Williams. All bringing their own skills to the table. Why is that worrying, or a problem..... Is Standing employed by the club/been doing this all season? I had no idea (Standing was involved). In which case I apologise for going off on one. Would still like more transparency about things. I'm not comfortable with things being hidden given our history, and to be honest I've never 100% trusted Power even though everything he has said and done has been seemingly spot on. That's definitely because of recent history. I'd still like to see Cooper stay mind, think he handles "front of house" exceedingly well. (edit for clarity) Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: stfc1975 on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 11:11:19 Loved Lee Power on twitter sending Cooper out shopping while the rest discussed tactics. Sounds about right actually.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Ginginho on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 11:11:33 I've never heard of him before, but after a brief google search, he seems to be an unofficial director of football and consultant to Lee Power.
He also runs a sports management company, is agent to Gareth Barry and is also his best friend. http://www.firsttouchpro.co.uk/ Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 11:32:13 Is Standing employed by the club/been doing this all season? I had no idea (Standing was involved). In which case I apologise for going off on one. Would still like more transparency about things. I'm not comfortable with things being hidden given our history, and to be honest I've never 100% trusted Power even though everything he has said and done has been seemingly spot on. That's definitely because of recent history. I'd still like to see Cooper stay mind, think he handles "front of house" exceedingly well. (edit for clarity) The first rule of being an STFC fan should be never trust the chairman... Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Exiled Bob on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 11:38:46 Agree with that to a large extent. But to be totally frozen out in the way he was seemed bizarre and to be honest a bit shoddy to me. I don't agree. Ward said himself that it happens all the time in football and that he implied that he didn't really have a problem with it - clubs have budgets and, particularly clubs like Swindon, they can't overspend. Besides, players know when they sign the contract that it's likely to happen that way. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Exiled Bob on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 11:41:02 To me Tijane was a simply a gamble that didn't pay off. He'd been highly rated in the past, hadn't lived up to the hype for whatever reason, so we took a chance on him. Can't imagine he was on a lot and when it became clear we weren't the ones to finally unlock his potential we got rid. I saw his first game at Peterboro on the first game of last season and he was brilliant. Shame he got injured....Don't see it as a suspicious signing at all Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: pauld on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 11:42:10 Read between the lines, it seems to me it was financial as his contract specified a certain number of games - he stopped at 79! You don't have to read between the lines, he explicitly states it was financial, a clause in his contract"I think everyone will know about the financial side in my contract about playing a certain amount of games. There is a budget, it’s there and I appreciate that. It happens in football, I wasn’t the first and I certainly won’t be the last." Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 12:44:57 why do people always jump into 'everything is awesome' whenever there is anything remotely worrying. Has anybody done that? Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Saturday, June 6, 2015, 13:06:25 Quote from: Flashheart Quote why do people always jump into 'everything is awesome' whenever there is anything remotely worrying. Has anybody done that?Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Levi lapper on Monday, June 15, 2015, 05:16:47 Has anybody done that? all the time Most of the people who were noshing of JEd a year or two ago have short memories Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Monday, June 15, 2015, 08:33:37 Most of the people who were noshing of JEd a year or two ago have short memories I spent far to long on Twitter trying to put right people who thought Jed was the dream ticket! Re Cooper ..... His worth is pretty high atm with regards to other clubs looking in. Given the chance it would have been a good time for him personally to have moved on. (This does not mean I wanted him to leave). With practically a brand new team next year if we start badly his stock could fall pretty quickly. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Flashheart on Monday, June 15, 2015, 09:09:26 The 'we want jed back' petition was cringeworthy. Other than that, the only 'support' of him I saw in here was people saying he shouldn't be judged too soon. So he turned out to be a cock-womble, but then many were also rather quick to judge Power as soon as he put his foot in the door.....
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: kerry red on Monday, June 15, 2015, 09:17:50 I think any incoming owner has to win the fans over by action, not rumours or perceived dodginess or even by what he says.
There are still some fans, not just ours, who think owners must only put in and never take out. Jed was the exception - he just oozed shit from the start which was clear to see Title: Re: Post by: Honkytonk on Monday, June 15, 2015, 09:21:55 I also remember people getting all riled up about Power not being in the country, how he was leeching off the club etc. Etc.
Essentialy people are too quick to jump to conclusions with little to no evidence to back it up. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, June 15, 2015, 10:04:18 I think any incoming owner has to win the fans over by action, not rumours or perceived dodginess or even by what he says. There are still some fans, not just ours, who think owners must only put in and never take out. Jed was the exception - he just oozed shit from the start which was clear to see Don't do Twitter, but it if as it seems that was where the Jedophiles hung out, there were definitely a few of his accolytes on here. As regards Power, there are still plenty of question marks....just not as many as when he fiirst arrived. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Swindon Please Win on Tuesday, June 16, 2015, 14:15:19 http://totalswindonsport.com/2015/06/wednesday-interest-in-cooper-for-assistant-role/
Would be strange if he took it, but it was how he got the job with us, so maybe that might have an influence on being an assistant again? Still massively in doubt he would be interested in the chance. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, June 16, 2015, 14:28:40 http://totalswindonsport.com/2015/06/wednesday-interest-in-cooper-for-assistant-role/ I heard mention he wanted to move back to Yorkshire, not sure on how true that is though.Would be strange if he took it, but it was how got the job with us, so maybe that might have an influence on being an assistant again? Still massively in doubt he would be interested in the chance. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, June 16, 2015, 14:50:23 http://totalswindonsport.com/2015/06/wednesday-interest-in-cooper-for-assistant-role/ Would be strange if he took it, but it was how got the job with us, so maybe that might have an influence on being an assistant again? Still massively in doubt he would be interested in the chance. Wouldn't have thought it strange at all....money similar, and a really difficult job in prospect next season with a high % chance of early sacking. Remember T*dd, left for asst manager at Championship Derby, as soon as he realised his agent had signed a sack of shit and we were in a relegation battle, after about a dozen games. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, June 16, 2015, 15:23:09 And with Sheff Weds recently being taken over people expecting them to have a good season and spend a few quid, risk as always with a foreign manager...isn't that what he basically does here though technically a coaches job as he does not really pick the players to sign just picks the tactics on the day and coaches the players, doesn't even pick his own back room team.
He may be interested as it is a move to a bigger club. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, June 16, 2015, 15:25:27 That's what Luke Williams does
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, June 16, 2015, 15:29:04 That's what Luke Williams does If Cooper goes and Williams is bumped up to boss, then maybe an opening for someone like Ricketts....or even Darren Ward. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: donkey on Wednesday, June 17, 2015, 10:18:23 If Cooper goes and Williams is bumped up to boss, then maybe an opening for someone like Ricketts....or even Darren Ward. Or Jason Roberts? Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, June 17, 2015, 10:27:18 Or Jason Roberts? I think Chang would have told us by now if JR was in the building.... Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, June 17, 2015, 10:29:57 or Steve Lomas ?
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Panda Paws on Wednesday, June 17, 2015, 16:26:37 Or Sheena Easton
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Red and Proud on Thursday, June 18, 2015, 08:39:11 Sheffield Pork Butchers "mulling over" a formal approach according to the Adver to scanned the pages of Sheffields local rag for some space fillers.....
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, June 18, 2015, 08:54:04 Sheffield Pork Butchers "mulling over" a formal approach according to the Adver to scanned the pages of Sheffields local rag for some space fillers..... Don't diss pork butchers, being involved in football clubs....Eric Lane was our chairman in 69. His Wood Street emporium, purveyed the finest chitterlings and caul, east of Chippenham. He was finally undone in his 80's, by the SBC health fascists, who criticised him for having fat and lard traces around the place.....it's a fucking butchers >:( Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, June 18, 2015, 09:00:34 Sheffield Pork Butchers "mulling over" a formal approach according to the Adver to scanned the pages of Sheffields local rag for some space fillers..... http://totalswindonsport.com/2015/06/cooper-wont-join-wednesday/ Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: bigbobjoylove on Thursday, June 18, 2015, 16:29:43 http://totalswindonsport.com/2015/06/owls-consider-head-coach-approach-for-cooper/
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Costanza on Thursday, June 18, 2015, 16:49:23 I just think the fact that local media know/believe that there's already a plan of action in place if Cooper was to leave say a lot.
Personally, I want Cooper to stay but I can't help but think there's more substance in this. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, June 18, 2015, 16:50:17 Do they realise they're going for the wrong guy? Hasn't everyone said that our success basically came from Williams?
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: kerry red on Thursday, June 18, 2015, 16:56:40 Probably fed up being Power's mouthpiece.
Wouldn't blame him going in the least Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 18, 2015, 17:01:27 Personally, I want Cooper to stay but I can't help but think there's more substance in this. The thing is, he's been linked with so many clubs and one with some 'substance' (SM) that it seems highly probable he wants out. Its a shame because I don't want something that has worked to be broken. You can say Williams does all the work, and that may be true, but someone doing that behind the scenes is different from someone doing it in the spotlight - assuming we don't bring in another pseudo-manager. -- Club is a bit of a PR shambles isn't it - I mean have we actually signed BOO or not? Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Costanza on Thursday, June 18, 2015, 17:06:33 Not the first person to rock up unannounced, the problem is that it tends to happen under shaky owners (BEST and Jed).
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: tans on Friday, June 19, 2015, 08:45:51 http://m.thestar.co.uk/sport/sheff-weds/sheffield-wednesday-owls-fight-to-land-cooper-1-7317170
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: kerry red on Friday, June 19, 2015, 09:00:45 £150,000 for Coops?
No brainer! Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Red Frog on Friday, June 19, 2015, 09:12:35 http://m.thestar.co.uk/sport/sheff-weds/sheffield-wednesday-owls-fight-to-land-cooper-1-7317170 Four language errors in that short article. Who let the kids take over the press? Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Friday, June 19, 2015, 10:10:43 if he wants to go then there isn't any point stopping him. 150k is irrelevant really.
Humph. feels like we are a drifting rudderless club right now. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Panda Paws on Friday, June 19, 2015, 11:45:22 Humph. feels like we are a drifting rudderless club right now. Based on? Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: suttonred on Friday, June 19, 2015, 11:59:37 A hunch I can see where Batch is coming from, the lack of tangible info coming out of the club is becoming rather unsettling.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: kerry red on Friday, June 19, 2015, 11:59:58 I'm taking a 'fuck it' stance.
Looking forward to seeing how all the new players perform, looking forward to seeing Hylton progress, looking forward to taking some teams apart, looking forward to getting rid of the 82er infection. It's my club - bollocks to everyone else Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Friday, June 19, 2015, 12:14:35 Based on? Its a mixture of things: - No mention of BOO signing or lack of signing. PR blackout it seems. - Letting anything that has a value leave (albeit for FMV) - A manager constantly linked away from the club - A lack of transparency on a certain agents input to the cub, and why. especially when at least one local journalist suggests he could become DoF. I hope the local media address this sometime rather than constantly providing opinion pieces. - Lack of signings - not so much of a worry as such as they will come. Basically the season ended in a massive disappointment, and absolutely nothing has happened to give any hint of optimism about the forthcoming season. Look, they could be waiting for Cooper to leave before everything starts to slot into place. Until it does I feel a bit uneasy. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Red Frog on Friday, June 19, 2015, 12:22:23 Its a mixture of things: - No mention of BOO signing or lack of signing. PR blackout it seems. - Letting anything that has a value leave (albeit for FMV) - A manager constantly linked away from the club - A lack of transparency on a certain agents input to the cub, and why. especially when at least one local journalist suggests he could become DoF. I hope the local media address this sometime rather than constantly providing opinion pieces. - Lack of signings - not so much of a worry as such as they will come. Basically the season ended in a massive disappointment, and absolutely nothing has happened to give any hint of optimism about the forthcoming season. Look, they could be waiting for Cooper to leave before everything starts to slot into place. Until it does I feel a bit uneasy. I think you'll find everyone's been on holiday. Even Paolo di Canio could get in unnoticed at the moment. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Friday, June 19, 2015, 12:26:32 I think you'll find everyone's been on holiday. Even Paolo di Canio could get in unnoticed at the moment. So we signed a player when everyone was on holiday? I believe the clubs press guy was back this week too. We can't have 1 employee at the club either. No, I don't buy that at all. Oh, and Di Canio uses the cove of nightfall. I bet he went in fully cam'd up. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Red Frog on Friday, June 19, 2015, 12:36:52 So we signed a player when everyone was on holiday? I believe the clubs press guy was back this week too. We can't have 1 employee at the club either. No, I don't buy that at all. Oh, and Di Canio uses the cove of nightfall. I bet he went in fully cam'd up. When the press guy is on holiday, there is no communication. He's working through his in-tray now. He just hasn't got to O yet. That or we haven't actually signed the kid. I mean, it's not like he's the messiah. Summer is for not worrying about football. Chill. :toocool: Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Flashheart on Friday, June 19, 2015, 12:37:58 Goodness gracious.
Fuck this, I'm going down the pub. Title: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Friday, June 19, 2015, 12:42:32 Quote Goodness gracious. have fun at the Winchester.Fuck this, I'm going down the pub. sorry expressing an opinion on a football forum has driven you there. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: chalkies_shorts on Friday, June 19, 2015, 13:12:18 have fun at the Winchester. Keep your opinions to yourself or we'll all be alcoholics..............oh. sorry expressing an opinion on a football forum has driven you there. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, June 19, 2015, 13:57:09 Its a mixture of things: - No mention of BOO signing or lack of signing. PR blackout it seems. - Letting anything that has a value leave (albeit for FMV) - A manager constantly linked away from the club - A lack of transparency on a certain agents input to the cub, and why. especially when at least one local journalist suggests he could become DoF. I hope the local media address this sometime rather than constantly providing opinion pieces. - Lack of signings - not so much of a worry as such as they will come. Basically the season ended in a massive disappointment, and absolutely nothing has happened to give any hint of optimism about the forthcoming season. Look, they could be waiting for Cooper to leave before everything starts to slot into place. Until it does I feel a bit uneasy. Think it's a bit early to be pressing the panic button, it is the close season after all, but probably nothing wrong in greasing the mechanical parts and checking that all connections etc are sound, so it'll work in July/August if necessary. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, June 19, 2015, 14:21:54 You know you've gone a bit too far when you're making Reg look optimistic.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: horlock07 on Friday, June 19, 2015, 14:27:56 It has been deadly quiet for a couple of weeks, but even the media outlets don't seem to have anything to say much - are the club not talking or just dont have anything to talk about?
Be interested to hear Mr Morshead's thoughts on this next time he is lurking on here as he is closer than most to the club (and I don't mean he's on the payroll - its just his livelihood to know whats going on! Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, June 19, 2015, 14:32:24 It has been deadly quiet for a couple of weeks, but even the media outlets don't seem to have anything to say much - are the club not talking or just dont have anything to talk about? Be interested to hear Mr Morshead's thoughts on this next time he is lurking on here as he is closer than most to the club (and I don't mean he's on the payroll - its just his livelihood to know whats going on! Things will pick up, firstly, when players are back in training, and secondly when contracts end, no point in paying 2 sets of players for doing fuck all is there. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Friday, June 19, 2015, 14:39:37 it's not panic button pressing, it's mostly a comment on the clubs continuing lack of communication/transparency, and a seeming lack leadership where that's concerned.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: fuzzy on Friday, June 19, 2015, 14:40:32 Things will pick up, firstly, when players are back in training, and secondly when contracts end, no point in paying 2 sets of players for doing fuck all is there. What's with all this talking sense bollocks eh? Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: horlock07 on Friday, June 19, 2015, 14:42:37 Things will pick up, firstly, when players are back in training, and secondly when contracts end, no point in paying 2 sets of players for doing fuck all is there. Sorry can whoever has kidnapped Reg and replaced him with the slightly more positive version please release him! Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, June 19, 2015, 15:01:29 Sorry can whoever has kidnapped Reg and replaced him with the slightly more positive version please release him! I wouldn't necessarily disagree with anything Batch is saying, just that it's not something to worry too much about yet. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Red Frog on Friday, June 19, 2015, 15:01:43 Sorry can whoever has kidnapped Reg and replaced him with the slightly more positive version please release him! I think you'll find this is a rare sighting of the lesser spotted Smeeton in his bright close-season plumage. Come August the species reverts to greyish-brown, veering towards black with the onset of winter (especially in boggy, northern locations). Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Friday, June 19, 2015, 15:05:43 so anyway, when are friendlies against teams I've never heard of normally announced. it's the best bit of preseason (genuinely).
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, June 19, 2015, 15:11:12 so anyway, when are friendlies against teams I've never heard of normally announced. it's the best bit of preseason (genuinely). Assuming Cooper goes, do you regard that as a good or bad thing? Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: kerry red on Friday, June 19, 2015, 15:14:28 Carbon neutral
I don't think many people actually know what he does on a day today basis for sure Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Ardiles on Friday, June 19, 2015, 15:16:10 Early June is always quiet on the football front. It's the one time of year that you can guarantee nothing will happen. Why else do you think that they scheduled the Women's World Cup at this time?
If it's still like this at the beginning of next month, I'll start to worry. They're on holiday. They deserve one. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, June 19, 2015, 15:24:44 Early June is always quiet on the football front. It's the one time of year that you can guarantee nothing will happen. Why else do you think that they scheduled the Women's World Cup at this time? If it's still like this at the beginning of next month, I'll start to worry. They're on holiday. They deserve one. I assumed because the Canadians had paid Chuck Blazer and Jack Warner shed loads to get it in CONCACAF. You'd have thought the Qataris, would have been after this one. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Friday, June 19, 2015, 16:19:48 cooper going = bad on the face of it. we have a formula that works, changing it risks this.
but obviously it's impossible to tell what will happen given we are likely starting completely from scratch. no way of telling whether last seasons squad was a game changing formula to success, or a total fluke. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, June 19, 2015, 16:21:29 cooper going = bad on the face of it. we have a formula that works, changing it risks this. Agree with that. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: DarloSTFC84 on Friday, June 19, 2015, 21:28:52 Me during close season..
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Mplanney on Saturday, June 20, 2015, 09:38:15 Agree with that. I also agree it could be a bad thing, as said we have a formula of power, cooper & Williams and it worked.It seems to be that many think we can easy lose Cooper and Williams will step up, I unsure if this will work. Granted Williams appears to be a excellent coach but there a difference to coaching on training ground and managing the team. I view Williams very much as the Gorman role, brilliant number 2. I may well be wrong, but Williams never seems to show his self or be in any interview with the Press, also on a match day I don't notice much of him instructing from the bench, Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: herthab on Saturday, June 20, 2015, 09:44:07 It would be good, for ticket sales and an increase in interest, if the club appointed a high profile manager should Cooper go. An ex player who is well known and could generate media interest.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, June 20, 2015, 09:52:28 It would be good, for ticket sales and an increase in interest, if the club appointed a high profile manager should Cooper go. An ex player who is well known and could generate media interest. A sort of Gareth Barry type player? ;)Actually for the record I totally agree with you Steve, another in the mould of Macari, Ardiles, Hoddle, (a lesser extent) McMahon, Di Canio etc would be ideal, a famous(ish) player coming to the end of his long Premiership/international career who wants to start the management ladder not at the total bottom rung but about 3/4 of the way up. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, June 20, 2015, 10:10:19 It would be good, for ticket sales and an increase in interest, if the club appointed a high profile manager should Cooper go. An ex player who is well known and could generate media interest. We now have a template, and I say what we'll get is someone who knows lower/non league, has a track record for developng players, currently out of work, cheap and low profile. Dave Hockaday might fit the bill. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: adje on Saturday, June 20, 2015, 10:23:47 We now have a template, and I say what we'll get is someone who knows lower/non league, has a track record for developng players, currently out of work, cheap and low profile. Dave Hockaday might fit the bill. id be fairly happy with that Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Spud on Saturday, June 20, 2015, 11:13:14 I may well be wrong, but Williams never seems to show his self or be in any interview with the Press, also on a match day I don't notice much of him instructing from the bench, Yep. You're wrong. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: kerry red on Saturday, June 20, 2015, 11:19:59 No high profile ex player /manager with an ego would work under Power
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: JoeMezz on Saturday, June 20, 2015, 12:37:06 I'd be happy with Gareth Barry
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Nomoreheroes on Saturday, June 20, 2015, 12:44:49 id be fairly happy with that We now have a template, and I say what we'll get is someone who knows lower/non league, has a track record for developng players, currently out of work, cheap and low profile. Dave Hockaday might fit the bill. I don't disagree, but please not Hockaday. I don't think he did a very good job at all at Forest Green and his time at Leeds was a bit of a joke.Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, June 20, 2015, 12:48:37 I don't disagree, but please not Hockaday. I don't think he did a very good job at all at Forest Green and his time at Leeds was a bit of a joke. Yes but at Lids he had no control over training, tactics, team talks, man management or signings......oh wait.Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: kerry red on Saturday, June 20, 2015, 13:02:42 This Spanish fella supposedly taking over at Wendies seems a strange appointment.
Mediocre player and has had 14 fairly unsuccessful stints as manager in 16 years. Him plus Coops could be a disaster Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: stfc1975 on Saturday, June 20, 2015, 15:02:30 Michael Vaughan tweeted about half hour ago he's heard Cooper linked to Wednesday, althougg his source is not that reliable.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Paolo69 on Saturday, June 20, 2015, 15:08:02 Michael Vaughan tweeted about half hour ago he's heard Cooper linked to Wednesday, althougg his source is not that reliable. Is it the TEF? Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: stfc1975 on Saturday, June 20, 2015, 15:09:42 Could be. I hear he's an avid reader. Might even be a member.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Paolo69 on Saturday, June 20, 2015, 15:11:12 Could be. I hear he's an avid reader. Might even be a member. Maybe he could point me in the direction of the nearest hair clinic?! Over to you Vaughnie....:-) Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: kerry red on Monday, June 22, 2015, 14:56:31 According to the Wendies forum Cooper has accepted the Head Coach job to be assisted by our youth team coach Scott Lindsley, compo has been agreed and will be announced within 24 hours.
Make of it what you will. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: @mwooly63 on Monday, June 22, 2015, 15:04:52 Either way wish he would piss or get off the pot
All this will he won't he crap has gone on long enough Title: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Monday, June 22, 2015, 15:09:16 can't be helping player recruitment mentioned, or am I being nieve in thinking players want to know who the manager will be.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, June 22, 2015, 15:11:22 can't be helping player recruitment mentioned, or am I being nieve in thinking players want to know who the manager will be. What's a Sky climbing domestique got to do with it? Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Monday, June 22, 2015, 15:42:31 they're very naive
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, June 22, 2015, 15:47:33 they're very naive That's better. I'm not sure that uncertainty can ever be a help, but the likes of the kiddy playing in the Hellenic, I'm sure won't be deterred by a change of manager. These are changing times, Watford had I think 5 different managers last season, and still got promoted. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Costanza on Monday, June 22, 2015, 17:41:59 This whole business is all very silly, isn't it?
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: REDBUCK on Monday, June 22, 2015, 17:58:58 Yes the endless chatter and speculation is very silly. Have any facts actually been reported.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Costanza on Monday, June 22, 2015, 18:12:22 Yes the endless chatter and speculation is very silly. Have any facts actually been reported. Nope but it's very obvious that some media people know what's happening. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: cdakev on Monday, June 22, 2015, 19:53:57 According to the Wendies forum Cooper has accepted the Head Coach job to be assisted by our youth team coach Scott Lindsley, compo has been agreed and will be announced within 24 hours. Make of it what you will. Well it's definitely on their fans forum. Nothing from Swindon or Sam. Will believe it when I see it Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Costanza on Monday, June 22, 2015, 20:03:11 Do we have a link or is it just the usual idle forum chatter?
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 06:46:53 Looks like the potential Cooper move to Wednesday may take until the end of the week according to ASD.
Can we upgrade it all to a saga now. http://www.flicwiltshire.com/STFC/Wednesday-hope-to-reveal-new-management-team-by-end-of-the-week.aspx Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Paolo69 on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 07:15:10 Hmmm. It sounds like he's gone then!
I'm still confused how they're allowed to have been "locked in talks" with him without making a "formal" approach but.... Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 07:21:05 I think it only matters if the manager's club objects.
In this instance, it seems that Power is playing hard ball just for the money - not to hang on to Cooper. Obviously, Cooper doesn't agree with Power that he has the best job in football Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Paolo69 on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 07:33:47 I think it only matters if the manager's club objects. In this instance, it seems that Power is playing hard ball just for the money - not to hang on to Cooper. Obviously, Cooper doesn't agree with Power that he has the best job in football I've no doubt that's exactly what Power is doing. Just wondered how we're supposed to object if they don't make a formal approach. It's all a bit odd but don't suppose it will make a difference to the outcome. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 07:40:31 If there is no word of a "formal approach" then it would appear obvious that Power has no problem with Cooper applying for jobs and being interviewed as long as adequate compensation is agreed upon.
Power obviously has had a falling out with Cooper and has contingency plans in place upon Coopers inevitable leaving. It seems that according to some that Williams has been approached by Power to become "Head Coach" but that Williams prefers to be number 2, so whether we approach somebody in club when Cooper leaves such as Jeremy Newton or we go for an ex player who "knows the ropes" such as Ricketts. We will find out soon enough. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 07:41:33 Maybe it will be a Cooper/Byrne double that's holding it up.
The Wendies seem underwhelmed about it. Can't see it making much difference to us TBH. Don't know if we'll appoint another figurehead and leave Williams to coaching. Got a feeling there may be something about Gareth Barry Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 07:42:46 Got a feeling there may be something about Gareth Barry Hes under contract at Everton for another 2 seasons on an alleged £30k per week wage, he wont be coming to us soon.More likely to be Michael Standing. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Islington Red on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 07:54:46 http://m.thestar.co.uk/sport/sheff-weds/sheffield-wednesday-owls-edge-nearer-to-revealing-new-look-team-1-7322228
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 08:34:17 I'm very much in the 'If it's not broken, don't fix it' camp. Regardless of who was or was not behind last season's 'success', the set-up we had worked and because of that I'd rather Cooper stayed.
However, just because something may be good, that doesn't mean it can't be improved upon. Power has shown that he knows his football, plus he also knows going-ons at the club much better than any of us do so I think he's better qualified to judge than we are. As to how it all turns out, we'll just have to wait and see...... but we'll be champions by Christmas. FACT! Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 08:42:52 It's never dull, that's for sure.
It'll almost be a clean sweep with the majority of players replaced and Cooper gone. Could be a recipe for disaster or kick-on from last season. Fucked if I know which! Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 08:45:52 Scott Lindsey is part of the Standing, Williams, Power power set I always thought - would be surprised if he went.
Cooper's replacement will also no doubt be heavily linked with Power et al already too - although Hockaday is a smart bet to come in. Not sure Standing will have an official role at the club as that may muddy his agent waters. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 08:47:39 no idea, I'd prefer less 'churn' though. hey ho.
it's annoying this seems set to drag on. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 08:49:10 Is standing a proper agent representing multiple players? only ever seen his name linked to Gareth Barry
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Sam Morshead on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 08:56:05 Is standing a proper agent representing multiple players? only ever seen his name linked to Gareth Barry Director of First Touch Pro. Never was a licenced FIFA agent when there were such things, now he could become (already be) an intermediary very easily after change of rules.Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: tans on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 09:26:54 Just wish he'd go now, pissing me off how long this is dragging on.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 09:37:05 One of the things that's impressed me most about the Power regime is they (I’ll use the collective term as have no idea who is making these calls) always seem to have a plan in place when they need to get someone in.
We saw it in the previous season, when Ranger got injured and Ajose was recalled, they had the Smith deal done and dusted pretty quickly. When it became clear that Ward and Hall weren’t cutting it at centre back, Stephens was quickly drafted in. This year, when Brad Smith and Liverpool fell out, Toffolo was soon here; and when it looked like we needed more experience at the back, the Ricketts deal came together, seemingly out of no where. Now, you could argue that not all of these signings worked out. But they show a decent degree of planning, and willingness to act decisively when necessary. It sounds obvious, but you only have to remember the panic deadline day buy of Elliot Benyon, after Austin left, to see it isn’t always the case. And look how that season turned out. What I’m saying, in a long winded way, is I suspect Power will have prepared for Coopers departure and have a decent plan of succession in place Whether the club keep the rest of us informed, of course, is another question Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Barry Scott on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 09:41:26 I'm curious why we'd need to be formally approached; isn't Copper soon to be out of contract? If that is the case, why would we pretend to hold all the cards when we've already shown our hand by not having him on a new contract?
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 09:47:17 I'm curious why we'd need to be formally approached; isn't Copper soon to be out of contract? If that is the case, why would we pretend to hold all the cards when we've already shown our hand by not having him on a new contract? Year left, so Wendies will need to pay that up, reputedly about 150K. So in other words a year's salary. Peanuts for an assistant at a top end Championship club, and probably about par for Wendies. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Barry Scott on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 09:52:17 Year left, so Wendies will need to pay that up, reputedly about 150K. So in other words a year's salary. Peanuts for an assistant at a top end Championship club, and probably about par for Wendies. Oh, nice. I thought it was up around now. Well hopefully we hang onto him. Or get a few quid to pay the wages of another Power-puppet. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 09:56:08 Quote from: Sam Morshead Director of First Touch Pro. Never was a licenced FIFA agent when there were such things, now he could become (already be) an intermediary very easily after change of rules. thanks. guess we'll have to wait and see whether that's an advantage for stfc', or becomes a conflict of interest. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 09:58:26 Oh, nice. I thought it was up around now. Well hopefully we hang onto him. Or get a few quid to pay the wages of another Power-puppet. After a bit of thought, my opinion is that this is a good move all round....we get a new man paid for by Wendies for a year, and some fresh ideas and commitment. You'd expect next season to be a bit of a struggle, so likely that Cooper would be sacked early doors anyway, this way the new man gets a pre season, and gets cut a bit of slack, due to obvious difficulties faced. Cooper gets a longer and more lucrative contract, so a better pay out if it goes west in Yorkshire. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: tans on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 10:03:31 I agree with Reg :eek:
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Tails on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 10:11:24 I reckon we'll end up with Hockaday, Williams staying as number 2. Based on nothing, just a hunch!
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 10:14:18 no idea, I'd prefer less 'churn' though. hey ho. it's annoying this seems set to drag on. The main reason seems to be that Sheff Wed are taking a bloody age to appoint a manager! Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Stevens on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 10:48:32 Year left, so Wendies will need to pay that up, reputedly about 150K. So in other words a year's salary. Peanuts for an assistant at a top end Championship club, and probably about par for Wendies. I doubt he is on 150K, less than half that amount. In his first season he was earning 40K, informed by Terry Brown ex Wimbledon manager who is a mate of his. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: steveg on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 10:53:33 One of the things that's impressed me most about the Power regime is they (I’ll use the collective term as have no idea who is making these calls) always seem to have a plan in place when they need to get someone in. We saw it in the previous season, when Ranger got injured and Ajose was recalled, they had the Smith deal done and dusted pretty quickly. When it became clear that Ward and Hall weren’t cutting it at centre back, Stephens was quickly drafted in. This year, when Brad Smith and Liverpool fell out, Toffolo was soon here; and when it looked like we needed more experience at the back, the Ricketts deal came together, seemingly out of no where. Now, you could argue that not all of these signings worked out. But they show a decent degree of planning, and willingness to act decisively when necessary. It sounds obvious, but you only have to remember the panic deadline day buy of Elliot Benyon, after Austin left, to see it isn’t always the case. And look how that season turned out. What I’m saying, in a long winded way, is I suspect Power will have prepared for Coopers departure and have a decent plan of succession in place Whether the club keep the rest of us informed, of course, is another question Oops apologies- quote: I totally agree and wish others would as well. Our chief is no mug!! I applaud the way he deals with problems. How many times have we been poked by others? Fuck em!! Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 10:55:07 I doubt he is on 150K, less than half that amount. In his first season he was earning 40K, informed by Terry Brown ex Wimbledon manager who is a mate of his. Maybe 40K when he was cone collector. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 11:17:04 Oh, nice. I thought it was up around now. Well hopefully we hang onto him. Or get a few quid to pay the wages of another Power-puppet. 1 year rolling contract isn't it - so he's always got a year left This is the first time I can recall that an stfc manager that has had (a bit) of success has been approached and fans are not bothered about him leaving, it is usually a case of not wanting him to leave Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 11:20:44 Funny really, look at some of the dross we've had as manager last 15 years, and some people aren't bothered MC might be off. Worrying very worrying.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: derbystfc on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 11:26:54 He's done well here, but as others have said, with the players at his disposal, perhaps he could have done more.
What we need is a manager who is tactically shrewd enough to change things during a game, MC always left things too late to change. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 11:29:08 ...... but we'll be champions by Christmas. FACT! How very Oxford United :DTitle: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 11:34:16 I agree with Reg :eek: Me too pretty much.1 year rolling contract isn't it - so he's always got a year left Apparently he is not on a rolling contract but signed a 3 year contract when he became manager according to Mr Power a little while ago.This is the first time I can recall that an stfc manager that has had (a bit) of success has been approached and fans are not bothered about him leaving, it is usually a case of not wanting him to leave Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: pauld on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 11:58:11 He's done well here, but as others have said, with the players at his disposal, perhaps he could have done more. Although none of them were saying that this time last summer were they? I seem to recall a lot of "Oh woe is me, we're doomed to relegation with this squad/manager", rather than swathes of "Well, that's promotion nailed on then". Yet when we fall short of the promotion no-one thought we were capable of, suddenly Cooper's a shit manager? I'd love to do some of your appraisals in your own jobs.Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: derbystfc on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 12:23:10 Although none of them were saying that this time last summer were they? I seem to recall a lot of "Oh woe is me, we're doomed to relegation with this squad/manager", rather than swathes of "Well, that's promotion nailed on then". Yet when we fall short of the promotion no-one thought we were capable of, suddenly Cooper's a shit manager? I'd love to do some of your appraisals in your own jobs. Ive always been open minded about cooper, ive enjoyed the ride last season, ut I dont mind admitting that at times I was frustrated by what was Tactical naivity. If I was doing his 'appraisal' to use your example, It would be good job done, lets aim for higher next season, I have no problems if Cooper was manager for next season. The point is, we do not know what exactly goes on behind the scenes, perhaps MC doesnt have a say in how the team is set up, perhaps he does, whoever does need to answer to how we lined up at Wembley, because a lot of what went wrong there was obvious from the sheff utd game. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: leftside on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 12:32:47 This is the first time I can recall that an stfc manager that has had (a bit) of success has been approached and fans are not bothered about him leaving, it is usually a case of not wanting him to leave I think this is in part to do with the questions about how much last season's success/failure was down to one or more of the Power/Cooper/Williams/players combo.Whatever the balance of influence, they combined to produce a pretty successful season (resulting in sought-after players and manager). That combination is going to be pretty different next season. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Berniman on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 13:14:43 Apparently he is not on a rolling contract but signed a 3 year contract when he became manager according to Mr Power a little while ago. Power confirmed on the radio that he was on a rolling 12 month contracts a few months ago, so it seems that Power is having an argument with himself :D I back Power to win that argument. I have heard Hockadays name mentioned on an other forum as the man who is being lined up to replace Cooper. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 14:15:35 Power confirmed on the radio that he was on a rolling 12 month contracts a few months ago, so it seems that Power is having an argument with himself :D I back Power to win that argument. Well he has been described as a man who can have an argument with himself :DI have heard Hockadays name mentioned on an other forum as the man who is being lined up to replace Cooper. Thats one major problem with this board...communication. Many many contradicting stories seem to come from the club, stories do seem to change week to week. Hockaday does not exactly inspire me with confidence as a manager though, great bloke, I am a fan of his and he does love Swindon but I don't think he is right for the job at the moment, IMO. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: BruceChatwin on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 14:39:50 Ultimately, we won't know just how good a manager Cooper is/ how important he was to our success last year until he moves on and proves himself (or fails) in another job, without the generally credited Williams/ Power team behind him.
It seems pretty clear though that he's not totally committed to being Swindon manager at the moment (and perhaps he has good reasons for that, given the rumours of interference from above, exemplified by the Agombar fiasco). For that reason, I'm starting to sway towards the 'better he moves on now' camp, so both him and us can go into next season with a clean break and a fresh start. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 16:28:55 Hockaday is used to working in a, shall we say, unusual environment so could/should be willing to work as the smallest cog in a managerial machine despite being 'head' coach, fronting up etc.
Got to be better than travelling to Cov every day anyway! Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 16:38:25 Vital saying they 'understand' that Cooper has left.
Not sure what leads them to 'understand' this, nor get this 'understanding' ahead of the 423 professional journos who cover Town these days, but there we go As for Hockaday, connection to the club, cheapish you'd presume, local and, as Panda Paws points out, not used to anything like total control while nominally 'Head Coach'. Could see it happening IF Williams doesn't want to make the step up. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 16:39:21 Looks like he's gone
https://mobile.twitter.com/VitalSwindon Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: PetsWinPrizes on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 16:42:44 According to Vital.
Which is one up from 'I heard it down the pub'. Actually, it's probably not even one up. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Panda Paws on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 16:44:48 Looks like he's gone https://mobile.twitter.com/VitalSwindon Vital Swindon is not and has never been a source for anything, ever - Although no doubt he is going Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Red and Proud on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 16:46:37 Sam's waiting for Power to say he can say, so to speak.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 16:55:25 I hear rumours of up to £200k compensation, which I think isn't bad.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 16:56:26 Thought it was £75,000
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: corner on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 16:56:43 I hear rumours of up to £200k compensation, which I think isn't bad. I read the figure 75k which is probly more realistic....Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 16:57:51 I read the figure 75k which is probly more realistic.... That does sound closer to what I would expect but I heard from 2 sources it was £200k.Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 16:58:41 Is that us paying them or them paying us!
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 16:59:29 Sheffield Wednesday haven't even made an approach yet (apparently), where are these figures coming from!?!
Power won't want £200,000, no way. I think. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: herthab on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 17:18:37 Hockaday is used to working in a, shall we say, unusual environment so could/should be willing to work as the smallest cog in a managerial machine despite being 'head' coach, fronting up etc. Got to be better than travelling to Cov every day anyway! It won't be Hockaday. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: phelpsieboy on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 17:59:24 Hockaday would be Powers ideal manager. When he was FGR manager, he ran everything past the chairman, every single decision. Power would have all the control he likes, plus Hockaday still lives within 15 minutes of Swindon and worked with the team last year, so this could be a case of watch this space.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 18:21:22 A certain unemployed manager on the south coast could be looking at an advisory role I hear with Williams as Head Coach... :hmmm:
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: tans on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 18:31:15 A certain unemployed manager on the south coast could be looking at an advisory role I hear with Williams as Head Coach... :hmmm: Who? Harry fucking Redknapp? Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Gnasher on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 18:34:11 A certain unemployed manager on the south coast could be looking at an advisory role I hear with Williams as Head Coach... :hmmm: Must be Martin Ling Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 18:37:04 Fuck off Chang.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: adje on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 18:38:43 if fucking redkrapp comes anywhere near my club i will spontaneously combust with apopleptic rage
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 18:40:49 He'd be welcome to fuck a few quid in to the Town or maybe his dogs tax free money.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 18:42:24 Redknapp's first challenge would be convincing Kevin-Prince Boateng and Lassana Diarra to join on £500 p/w.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: A Gent Orange on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 18:44:44 Redknapp's first challenge would be convincing Kevin-Prince Boateng and Lassana Diarra to join on £500 p/w. would Kanu fit our usual age profile? What is he now? 24-25? Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Sam Morshead on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 18:58:55 Sam's waiting for Power to say he can say, so to speak. I'm nibbling. Haven't made contact with the chairman for almost three weeks. (corrected, I got my dates wrong)Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 19:01:44 Perhaps his phone is out of credit :)
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 19:01:55 Has he disappeared with the Wembley takings and Gladwin/Luongo money?
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 19:03:18 would Kanu fit our usual age profile? What is he now? 24-25? according to his passport, he's just turned 18 Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 19:04:16 Has he disappeared with the Wembley takings and Gladwin/Luongo money? (http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-620/h--/q-95/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/6/30/1277917806056/readers-recommend-songs-a-006.jpg) Found him :D Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 19:05:24 according to his passport, he's just turned 18 It says British Nigeria on his birth certificate so that makes him at least 23. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: suttonred on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 19:42:26 Redknapp's first challenge would be convincing Kevin-Prince Boateng and Lassana Diarra to join on £500K p/w. That's more his style now.Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Nemo on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 19:49:39 Redknapp would probably be the last person on earth to sign up for Lee Power's style of management. Limited control over transfers Harry? Blooding lots of young players Harry? No real opportunity to sign large quantities of foreigners who never play but happen to mysteriously share an agent Harry?
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Batch on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 19:51:38 Arry Redknapp, get real. Chang probably mean Andy Awford
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 20:29:21 Redknapp would probably be the last person on earth to sign up for Lee Power's style of management. Limited control over transfers Harry? Blooding lots of young players Harry? No real opportunity to sign large quantities of foreigners who never play but happen to mysteriously share an agent Harry? Yeah, but we do a great line in brown envelopes.Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 20:41:32 Press conference at Sheff Wed tomorrow at 1pm, apparently.
Hope he does well for them - the very definition of a sleeping giant. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Red and Proud on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 20:43:15 I'm nibbling. Haven't made contact with the chairman for almost three weeks. (corrected, I got my dates wrong) Chop, chop, moresy. :fishing:Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Mother Brown on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 20:43:46 John Fisher is leaving Highworth next May.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: Hoboken on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 21:26:15 Could someone change the title of this thread, then? Sounds like Wednesday is pretty much a done deal.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: JayBox325 on Tuesday, June 23, 2015, 21:28:31 Could someone change the title of this thread, then? Sounds like Wednesday is pretty much a done deal. I like it. I think it's quite ironic. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with Sheff Utd Post by: tans on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 07:18:47 heard there is a holdup over compensation as we have to give AFC Telford 50% of any compensation for Mark Cooper due to clause when he left them for us.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 07:31:30 I still don't buy into this 'Williams is the cause of our success, Cooper is just a frontman' talk.
It's a shame that when we do finally have a half decent manager, fans see fit to belittle him Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: DRS on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 07:40:10 Spot on
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: Tails on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 08:14:19 heard there is a holdup over compensation as we have to give AFC Telford 50% of any compensation for Mark Cooper due to clause when he left them for us. You're probably trolling but he was on an expenses only deal there so I seriously doubt that's true. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 08:18:50 heard there is a holdup over compensation as we have to give AFC Telford 50% of any compensation for Mark Cooper due to clause when he left them for us. Never heard of anything like that before...so probably BS. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: tans on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 08:33:43 Never heard of anything like that before...so probably BS. :DWe have a 50% sell on for everyone ;) Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: tans on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 08:34:50 You're probably trolling but he was on an expenses only deal there so I seriously doubt that's true. You know me mate Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 08:36:44 :D We have a 50% sell on for everyone ;) Like the one for Matt Richie !! :) Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 08:49:13 I just wish that Wendies would bloody get a move on with this as we seem to be hanging in limbo and until this is sorted everything hangs in the air in terms of planning, signings etc - although I would suspect that Mr Power is already 3 or 4 moves ahead in terms of new manager signings and moving forward. I think its fairly clear that Power has concluded that a change might be good and Cooper being willing to talk to others makes a change easier for all.
I am not sure why all the complaint on lack of news coming out of the club it nothing is happening - if they have nothing to say keep quiet, I have no interest in nothing stories just to fill column inches (what Sangita had for her tea, Powers comments on swiss chocolate) - interesting that none of the normal media outlets have been writing stories about alack of communication or planning, and I suspect they know more than we do as to whats happening behind the scenes. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 08:51:40 Like the one for Matt Richie !! :) TBF he was sold by Jed not Power. ;)Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 09:19:12 I still don't buy into this 'Williams is the cause of our success, Cooper is just a frontman' talk. Nobody's belittling Cooper - the vast majority eventually drifted into happyish acceptance.It's a shame that when we do finally have a half decent manager, fans see fit to belittle him But we do need a slight change of direction, or emphasis, and not sure if he is the man. Also the Power/Cooper relationship has broken down completely so he wants out Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 09:22:23 Nobody's belittling Cooper - the vast majority eventually drifted into happyish acceptance. I agree with this. While Cooper and Powers relationship has broken down the Power and Williams relationship seems stronger, Power hugely rates Williams and will do everything in his powers to keep him at the club.But we do need a slight change of direction, or emphasis, and not sure if he is the man. Also the Power/Cooper relationship has broken down completely so he wants out Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 09:51:04 why do we need a slight change of direction.
more flexibility in formation, yes, but I can't see us doing much better than giving us a one match shot at championship football. unless you mean because the relationship between owner and manager is broken, then yeah I agree. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: Tails on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 09:51:29 You know me mate thought as much, but thought I'd clarify anyway for any that don't! Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 10:12:17 Also the Power/Cooper relationship has broken down completely so he wants out How do you know this? Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: Tails on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 10:30:59 Its been mentioned by some members of the press.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: joteddyred on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 10:51:37 If the relationship has genuinely broken down, he's clearly going, so bloody well go and let us move on. It's been rumbling on for too long now.
FWIW, he's done a good job, but I don't think he would have ever taken us out of League 1 . Nothing to base that on other than my own feeling and lack of ability to change things when required/against certain teams. It may be no different with the next man in charge either if as some are alluding to, the decisions were never down to Cooper. We shall see. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 11:10:31 Well if that's true, Power will be delighted to be compensated for losing him. As long as Power's at the helm, the project's intact. I'm not overly worried.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: SuperBosnian on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 13:02:43 I still don't buy into this 'Williams is the cause of our success, Cooper is just a frontman' talk. Totally agree.It's a shame that when we do finally have a half decent manager, fans see fit to belittle him Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: pauld on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 14:40:40 Totally agree. And me. Cooper's done a decent job and deserves more credit than he's gettingTitle: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 14:49:36 And me. Cooper's done a decent job and deserves more credit than he's getting The last Swindon boss to leave us for Wendies, didn't last long, and he was a much better operator than Cooper. I'm not expecting Cooper to last long. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: pauld on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 14:50:26 The last Swindon boss to leave us for Wendies, didn't last long, and he was a much better operator than Cooper. I'm not expecting Cooper to last long. You surprise me Reg. You're normally such a cheery bundle of optimism with a sunny outlook on life :)Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 14:52:03 No one did here to be fair. I reckon he'll do well there.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 14:59:20 No one did here to be fair. I reckon he'll do well there. On what basis....Wendies will be expecting Prem football by season's end, or at least a decent crack at it. Very different to expectations here. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 15:02:23 Budget, type of football he advocates will suit championship better for 2
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 15:07:10 How can this saga be taking so long?
They want him, we have no objections, he wants to go, compo shouldn't really be a problem. If they aint going to piss, get off the pot! Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 15:25:25 On what basis....Wendies will be expecting Prem football by season's end, or at least a decent crack at it. Very different to expectations here. And from what I can gather from their forums, I don't think the appointment of Cooper and the foreign bloke is going to be a popular one. It is therefore reasonable to assume, because it is the nature of football fans in these situations, that they will be on their backs as soon as things start to go against them.Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: adder on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 15:48:10 On what basis....Wendies will be expecting Prem football by season's end, or at least a decent crack at it. Very different to expectations here. But it's 15 years since they went down from the Prem, since when they've never got anywhere near the 2nd tier playoffs and have had 2 spells in the third tier. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 15:59:27 But it's 15 years since they went down from the Prem, since when they've never got anywhere near the 2nd tier playoffs and have had 2 spells in the third tier. I know that and you know that, but some club's fans, can't help themselves. Take Oxford for example, they've been in Div 4 or non league for at least the last 15 years, and non league for the majority of Headington's history, yet a short top flight spell on the back of Maxwell's corrruption, means they think that's where they belong. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: tans on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 16:00:58 The last Swindon boss to leave us for Wendies, didn't last long, and he was a much better operator than Cooper. I'm not expecting Cooper to last long. Fans baying for his blood by xmas if they are not doing well. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: The Grim Reaper on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 16:54:09 I know that and you know that, but some club's fans, can't help themselves. Take Oxford for example, they've been in Div 4 or non league for at least the last 15 years, and non league for the majority of Headington's history, yet a short top flight spell on the back of Maxwell's corrruption, means they think that's where they belong. To be fair most Town fans think like this too.Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: Batch on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 18:08:19 I don't, I hope they root in non league
;) Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: RedRag on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 19:09:26 The last Swindon boss to leave us for Wendies, didn't last long, and he was a much better operator than Cooper. I'm not expecting Cooper to last long. And nor did the one before that, another Danny W (if my mind isn't playing tricks with me)Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: joteddyred on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 19:11:59 Weren't Sheff Weds supposed to be making an announcement this afternoon?
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 19:16:12 And nor did the one before that, another Danny W (if my mind isn't playing tricks with me) There would have been a certain symmetry, but Danny Wilson got the Blades after us....his Wendies stint was PdC days. Paul Sturrock was one of their more successful recent managers, but he left us for Plymuff. It was the great Danny Williams.... Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: chalkies_shorts on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 19:33:46 Danny Williams was a class manager and a class person. He was brilliant at finding little gems and polishing them up.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 19:49:24 John Smith being one such
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: chalkies_shorts on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 19:50:37 Ray McHale being another
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: Dr Pierre Chang on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 20:49:24 A certain unemployed manager on the south coast could be looking at an advisory role I hear with Williams as Head Coach... :hmmm: Said man had this to say today: Quote "I wouldn't just take a job anywhere, you know, just for the sake of a few quid. If there was an interesting project, then definitely. I don't feel old, I'm as sharp as ever. I would love to work with a young and upcoming coach somewhere and give him some experience. :hmmm: Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 20:51:52 He means bumming I reckon.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: leftside on Wednesday, June 24, 2015, 21:08:46 He means bumming I reckon. Or brown enveloping...or is that the same thing?Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: cdakev on Thursday, June 25, 2015, 10:34:00 Maybe Cooper is not going after all and he is in talks with Power. Maybe Power has offered to double his salary to £20 per week !
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: SwfcFanInPeace on Thursday, June 25, 2015, 22:23:38 Hi guys as a SWFC fan I come in peace. All gone strangely quiet this situation hasn't it, none of our supporters know what is going on any more. We've been talking to Cooper for well over a week now, if he wanted to come you'd have thought it would have happened by now. All seems very quiet in this thread all of a sudden, are you all just resigned to Cooper coming or are you not sure what is going on either? We need to get this sorted soon for the best for both our clubs, an ongoing saga is not helping going into pre season soon.
If Cooper doesn't want to come here we should move on quickly and look elsewhere, though who knows maybe that has already started to happen. We will find out very soon surely. If he does join us I wish you guys all the best next year. Go get Di Canio, he'll be ready to jump back into a job after how it went at Sunderland, could definitely get you up next season. PS please don't call us Wendies, Wednesday or even Sheff Wed would do :) . Sheffield is ok too I guess, after all there is only one proper team in Sheffield (as you guys proved!). Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 25, 2015, 22:30:16 Quote are you all just resigned to Cooper coming or are you not sure what is going on either? Both. The club (STFC) has been pretty quiet on an offcial PR capacity since our Wembley disaster, so I doubt it'll all be cleared up by them. The local press seem fairly happy that it was going to happen, and that there had been a falling out between Cooper and those above/sideways/below him, so there must be a stumbling block somewhere (compensation?) Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: suttonred on Thursday, June 25, 2015, 22:57:58 The actual facts are: We know nothing. Nor do the press here. It could all be a huge wind up, and MC comes back from Spain and laughs his balls off, there isn't anything even semi concrete any where truth be told (Cue big sign up tomorrow)
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: suttonred on Thursday, June 25, 2015, 23:00:55 Oh and Di canio's still here locked in the cleaners cupboard after he tripped on a bucket and the ladder fell over.
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: Batch on Thursday, June 25, 2015, 23:39:27 We know nothing. Nor do the press here. I'm sure they must know something about it all off the record. Some do seem to be a bit more keen to get a scoop out than others mind. Wouldn't be surprised if the current situation has been exaggerated a bit. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, June 26, 2015, 00:06:56 I mentioned a while back (near when this started gathering pace) that it was possible a Wednesday fan could've started the rumour just to Pee off Blades fans as cooper had rejected them. The Wednesday link sniffed in pretty close to then, so it's not beyond it's one big fat rumour that became partial truth. With Power possibly not talking to the press for other reasons (ie, he just doesn't want to and no one officially has to say anything until July 1st), even a Wednesday junior journo could have had a bit of fun and "leaked" some BS to one of the Swindon media outlets. Who knows, but all i know is everyone is being very coy about it all.... :hmmm:
Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: Combe Down on Friday, June 26, 2015, 06:07:11 This thread is so boring. Can we plan how we are going to wind up the Sheffield United fans on 29th August please? A nice quick return to the CG for them after THAT game. After all, historically they are the bigger of the the Sheffield clubs.
I remember when we beat the Wendies twice in a week at the CG 3-2 & 4-1 (cup)? We sang the obligatory 'can we play you every week'. When was the last time we played at the Wendy House? Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: Batch on Friday, June 26, 2015, 06:22:28 :girlgiggle:My favourite Wendy game was at home when we were garbage for 75 minutes, were 2-0 down, then Christian Roberts tore them a new one and we won 3-2.
Bet Patrick Collins still has nightmares about that one. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: BruceChatwin on Friday, June 26, 2015, 07:47:45 I mentioned a while back (near when this started gathering pace) that it was possible a Wednesday fan could've started the rumour just to Pee off Blades fans as cooper had rejected them. I'm not sure Cooper rejected them. I had the impression he was just a back-up option if their first-choice (Adkins) fell through. Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, June 26, 2015, 10:13:42 I'm not sure Cooper rejected them. I had the impression he was just a back-up option if their first-choice (Adkins) fell through. Fair one, but still would be an almighty wind up to the Blades.Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, June 26, 2015, 10:14:56 This thread is so boring. Can we plan how we are going to wind up the Sheffield United fans on 29th August please? A nice quick return to the CG for them after THAT game. After all, historically they are the bigger of the the Sheffield clubs. I remember when we beat the Wendies twice in a week at the CG 3-2 & 4-1 (cup)? We sang the obligatory 'can we play you every week'. When was the last time we played at the Wendy House? Ask any genuine person in sheffield and the biggest club in sheffield is Sheffield F.C... Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: THE FLASH on Friday, June 26, 2015, 12:47:15 Ask any genuine person in sheffield and the biggest club in sheffield is Sheffield F.C... They aren't in Sheffield though, so wrong by default! Title: Re: Cooper to have talks with the wendies Post by: BambooToTheFuture on Friday, June 26, 2015, 14:48:54 They aren't in Sheffield though, so wrong by default! :D I know they are near Dronfield. I live about 15 miles away. That's what makes it more laughable, people in Sheff think a club outside Sheff but is called Sheff is bigger than the other two! :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: |