Thetownend.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkGZzs8ujUs

Interesting!

I wouldn't go reading too much into it. He was just answering a question, that's all.

Could do with subtitles for this. ???

I just thought it was interesting that all the controversy surrounding him 'just happened', like it all took place of its own accord.  The lady interviewer seemed to be the only one asking pertinent questions.   I feel  Mr Ranger may be a bit disappointed when he tries to get back into football next season, having effectively taken half a season off.

anybody  taking on that fruit cake with all his history deserves all they get.

it's clear he is not all there. whether it's just a disorder or substance induced who knows.

I liked it when the bloke on the left asked if he was in the first team at 12........

The main presenter seemed to only be interested in how much money he's earned..

Also, how many times do they all wanna say 'rarrr' or however it's spelt.

Never knew he was here until Newcastle poached him off of us. He seemed genuine when he said he'd love to come back and had respect for us, having obviously seen how the club operates twice now.

He's clearly a nutter but a nutter who is a good footballer so there will always be someone willing to take him on. He should comfortably be playing in the championship at worse. I just don't see him growing up enough to be worth the risk for us any time soon, if ever.

http://thetownend.com/index.php?topic=29728.0

Back in 2008.

He's a horrible person with a lot of issues and I would not want him back here.

He seriously thinks he's like Kanye West or something?

That was surprisingly good viewing. Poor kid just can't help himself. Doesn't blame the clubs for sacking him, recognises he keeps going off the rails but doesn't really seem to learn as he goes along. Said he doesn't have an agent - if anyone ever needed a good guiding influence… But he'd probably only find the wrong sort.

I really wanted them to ask why the hell he had his name tattooed on his head. But as others have said the 2 guys were only really Interested in the tame questions, and didn't let the woman who may have asked, have much time. Pity that.

He also has it tattooed on his hand.

Fruit cake

Not as a genius player as George best obviously.....but similar in the respect that constantly pisses away chances given to him.

Shame....great player.

Right mindset and he would have been a Premier League footballer without a doubt

Yeah, poor kid. He goes to jail for 'some street robberies' - they just happened. They weren't his fault.
He steals a load of kit from Southampton - it just happened. It wasn't his fault.
He smashes a door in and smacks his girl friend and guess what?

What a poor, poor kid who everyone is against for some strange reason. Ever heard of taking responsibility for your own actions?

Agent...good guiding influence...

????!???!???!???! Aren't they all the exact opposite?

Such a waste of very good talent.

Ye get me bruv....

Innit.

Rarr... 8)

So basically what I said then. ::)

I don't think so.

You seem to be saying "Aaah, poor kid what a shame, he can't help himself"

Whereas what I am saying is - Of course he can help himself. In fact he is has to, he is the only person who can. He needs to man the fuck up and take responsibility for his own actions.

Why should he when successive Governments and judicial systems pretty much ensure you don't need to any more.

Amen.

Think RF was saying that too, just his sarcasm wasn't as blatant as yours. At least I hope so, anyway.

Maybe I've been wooshed but I didn't think he was being sarcastic.

Maybe I have. I may have self-wooshed. I think at the very least we should ask RF for a clarification of who is the wooshee here :)

Whereas there are plenty of people with problems who can only help themselves with lots of help from medical professionals and prescribed medication.

I reckon there is a strong chance that if Nile were to spend some time being properly assessed psychologically, he would get a diagnosis and structured support.

I reckon there's an equally strong chance he'd get sectioned.

Well, I seem to have dropped back into another TEF lynch-mob episode. I always hate it when the TEF gets its pitchforks out.

No, for the avoidance of whoosh, I wasn't being sarcastic. I think it's sad to witness a bright talent going to waste for the want of the mental capacity to sort himself out. All that macho talk of manning up and taking responsibility is all very well, but I don't see what it changes. He's amply demonstrated that he's incapable of sorting himself out on his own. Like I said, he seriously needs help or else it's not just a football career but his whole life that he'll flush away, taking collateral victims with him. And I was suggesting he pays for that help, by the way.

I don't really see what solution those of you who think the government wastes endless millions on trying to turn around people like Nile would suggest instead. What should have been done differently by public authorities in his case? He's been judged and punished whenever the case has been proven. Recent Home Secretaries have lengthened minimum sentences, so more criminals are spending longer in jail, with the consequences we all know. If cramming prisons with a correspondingly lower emphasis on reforming criminals is your answer, then I hope you're ready to pay a lot more for locking a lot of people up for a lot longer.

Does rehabilitation work? To be honest, I'd happily pay more tax if I knew it was going to lock a lot more bastards up. I'd also abolish this crap where you serve half or less of your sentence. Let them serve the sentence and if they misbehave add more time on. I bet the vast majority of people would be happy to pay more tax if it meant more bastards locked up and for longer. If you are truly sorry for what you've done, you'll accept and serve your sentence.

Haha! You got wooshed pauld!  8) Now - where's me pitch fork  :hmmm:

Totally agree with this, and Red Frog to an extent. I'm a trainee [forensic] psychologist, so I might be a bit biased, but I fear it should have happened a long time ago, and being a pro-footballer is a pretty toxic environment for someone like that.

Oh, and "does rehabilitation work"? It works a hell of a lot better than prison, unless you think Ranger should be locked up forever. He's not suddenly going to be shocked into behaving like a model citizen because you give him 10 years instead of 5. The root cause of his offending needs to be addressed, or he'll keep reoffending. Not that simple in practice of course, but giving someone like him treatment isn't a "wishy-washy" option to get them out of serving time, it's to stop them doing it again.

Enough wishy washy spineless liberal bollocks. The answer is right here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04clpd7h0b0

Careful there, Els, we don't want no namby pamby  experts on here.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/aug/30/childprotection.society

Quality!! Classic....

 :)

Speak for yourself you fascist cunt

ok, just me then.

I'm really not sure what is fascist about wanting the wronguns out there suitably punished / reprimanded / rehabilitated for sufficiently long enough to make them valuable members of society.

The only person here who is probably fascist is the person shouting fascist inappropriately. IMO...

UAF ( Unite Against Fascists ) funnily enough is run as a Fascist organisation the way they operate. Shouting down free speech and ideologies that do not fit in with there leftist superlatives at every opportunity.

It's the wishy washy liberal crap that has fucked the country right up.

http://m.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/12911774.Serial_fraudster_Victoria_Grieve__21__gets_another__last_chance_/

How do people think we should deal with her? Just lock her up or find out if she has some psychological issue causing her to be a serial fraudster and impose mandatory treatment? If I was one of her victims, I think I'd know which option id favour. But it costs a fortune and rarely changes behaviour

..

Have "I'm a serial fraudster" tattooed on her forehead.

Spot on.
Tough World out there and with open market trading you have to be competitive to survive.
Sad but true, you are on your own and people need to understand that.

Poor girl, I feel sorry for her, she can't help herself, she's the victim here, she needs help, the system's failed her... and so on and so forth.

Wouldn't be a "poor girl" if she robbed £3,000 out of your account and you were given a crime number whilst she got community service.
Good news is she can pay you back £10 per week.
Do me a favour.
I would gladly take you around an old lady who got robbed of her savings from someone like this.
Yes you can say poor girl to her. Everything wrong with this soft shite of a Country.

I believe one of the chaps defrauded is matt jones our defender

THEN KILL HER WITH FIRE!!

Oh my, did you not hear that sound?


It was a great big almighty WHOOSH flying over your head.

Mental note to self...


"Duke - doesn't do irony" 8)

not just you, we can be fascists together

It's a bit straw man that. I can understand why people get angry with crime/criminals - it's obvious. But rehabilitation doesn't say "oh poor you why don't we give you a cuddle instead of punishing you." It's a hell of a lot more complex than that.. And the goal is the same, to harm less people.

Oooh, logical fallacies. I love this game.

I agree by the way Ells, it is a strawman.

Blame it on cider/doombar/fosters shandy etc.

OK, all joking and classic NTNON sketches aside, a few points of clarification...

People disagreeing with you doesn't make them a 'lynch mob'. They're just disagreeing.

'Manning up* and taking responsibility' isn't macho talk, it's a fundamental tenet by which people should lead their lives and too many don't. Until he does that, no amount of help is going to be any good to him. Any 'rehabilitation' has to start with him.



*Man up - is a bit of a shit phrase which I wish I hadn't used but the point remains valid.

It costs about £50k a year to keep someone in prison, and pretty much guarantees they will never get out of the offending pattern as there is hardly any rehabilitation going on in prison.

Locking more up for longer? I'm with the wispy washy liberal shit that has some evidence base of actually working me.

Seriously scary though a little rural village 3 miles from where I live, a couple in there 60's, few weeks back, early Sunday evening. Door forced open with 3 masked men beat up the old chap and demanded jewellery, cash etc.
The trauma they now face is really bad and both not coping.
This is why I vented anger as it boils my piss when I here liberal do gooders irrespective of whoosh or not. To see that couple made me both sad and very angry.
Even if they get caught they will be out in a few years as this is not deemed a long custodial sentence.
Now where is the justice in that ?

What's your point? being angry about something is understandable, but isn't a solution. Prison rarely works as a deterrent and a significant number of ex prisoners re offend. There needs to be a solution that is both a punishment and a chance to rehabilitate, so those convicted don't end up in prison again, costing the rest of us to put them up at our expense.

That's not being a wishy washy liberal, that's just common sense.

You have to admire her industry being a serial fraudster at just 21.

I blame it on the boogie!

Blackpool have activated a clause in his contract for another year.  Nile back in league 1 next year if he can be bothered to turn up...

That'll be a no then.

Unlikely.

Blackpool are totally fucked. I can see them going down again.

That is Oystons plan apparently. He told them he won't sell the club and will take them to the Conference (National League) if he wants, which as you can understand got the Blackpool fans backs up.

Fuck me, seriously. Neither here nor there about Blackpool but that's fucking ridiculous.

The Oystons are evil and I fully understand them doing the pitch invasion thing, he is doing his best to kill the club.

Got his parachute payments and clearly kept it all for himself. Football doesn't need owners like him

Build a lot of houses on Bloomfield Road. I take it they still play there?

They turn up, not sure about play

Some don't turn up..

and they have no manager either after Clarke resigned

The Oystens have been in charge there for donkey's years though, haven't they? Anyone know what's changed? Did they just get greedy when the PL money started rolling in?

I thought they had been in for 3-4 years. But he took over a majority shareholding in 1988 according to Wiki.

Also done time for raping a 16 year old.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Oyston

His son is now chairman

Apparently Holloway is set for talks with the Blackpool chairman - that bloke must be desperate for a job

They have been there for donkeys years, Oystons are a big estate agency around here.

That's the thing with the Oystons... they've been involved for a long time, rebuilding the stadium and getting the team up from the bottom tier to the Premier League. But since then it's been a farce. They don't care about the club or the fans. I'm amazed they attract any players, even the dross they had last year. And I'm not remotely surprised Clarke resigned as he seemed in despair at the whole situation most weeks.

They'll have a job shifting season tickets this summer even if they keep the low prices.

He's sorry..

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/swindon_town_2014/13790248.Ranger_issues_public_apology/

How many clubs has he played for at the County Ground?

'FORMER Swindon Town striker Nile Ranger has written a public apology to his previous clubs, including those at the County Ground, and current team-mates.'

Its the first bloody sentence - at least try and make it look like you are trying!

What a bellened.

Now for the 'Sign him up' gang to start on twitter..

I'd have him back, he could be a top player if he sorted his demons.

Yep

We'd probably play him wide midfield....

I wouldn't. The guy is a colossal penis whose had more chances than you can shake a stick at. I think he's genially mentally unhinged or else on something.

I think his influence in the dressing room would be massively unsettling, and that's not something we need.

Good player though.

Nah wing back..

Without his problems he'd never have played as low as L1. Fucking class player.

Sign him up on a pay as you train contract.

As long as there are no fines involved!

All of the above.

Hard one to call really.  On the pitch his attitude was fantastic and he got on well with a lot of the players, coaching staff and management.  As others have highlighted though its away from the club is where his inner demons escape.  Shame really because he has the makings to be a top player.

He was a great striker. The goal at Peterborough sums him up very well. Quick, clinical and composed.

He was best mates with Byrne, Pritchard and Gladwin while he was here and since he's left (looking at his instagram) so I'm not sure if the pull that we once had is still there. But I'm pretty sure if Cooper/Power said the word, he'd come back.

But looks like we've learned lessons regarding dealing with players like this well and used them on Vigs recently so I don't think he'd ever be welcome back here*.

* not that anyone was saying he would be.

That's what Blackpool did!

I thought they had him on £150 a week and £33 for every minute playing, not training?

Ah, my mistake. I thought it was training.
Didn't work whatever it was!

HAs he gone on some sort of "how to sort your life out" course?? Putting loads of weird crap on Instagram lately too

I think that'd be more beneficial than any "pay as you play" contract - have him on a normal contract, but on the condition he regularly sees a psychologist..

Unfortunately I think his latest apology is because he's looking for a job and not that he's genuinely repentant, but is don't think it's fair to call the man a write off because of his past, either. It's a tricky one.

Yeah it reeks of desperation to be honest.
I know of some really nasty things he's done outside of football - he's very manipulative and takes advantage of people's good nature.
Why am I actually following him on Instagram??!

Gossip?
 :girlgiggle:

Hmm maybe not but it's not unreasonable to take more than a decade of being a complete gobshite into account when trying to decide whether or not he's likely to repeat that behaviour over the next 12 months or so if offered a contract here. We made that mistake once before, he remained a gobshite and has remained one since leaving here.

Oh for sure - when I say it's unfair I mean it's against my personal views. It's more than logical and whilst I've given lots of people 10th, 11th chances and seen them turn their life around I've never had to invest in them like one would signing a player to a professional football team.

No way he wrote that statement.

It doesnt say 'maaad ting' anywhere in it

I probably go against the general consensus here but, as a match time footballer I love Nile Ranger and think he could do a real job for us. For that reason I would like to see him back.

I know he has his demons. We all do but Nile's seem to be a lot more destructive than most. I wish we could do something to help him keep them in check and make him a viable option.

Everyone has to grow up sometime.

In Adulthood the death of ones Mother or Father is usually the psychological trigger to "grow up" for most.

We don't have enough defenders. We have too many attackers. Therefore we don't need him.

How bad is the Thomas injury?

4-6 weeks.

Short term deal 1 month contract to cover for thomas, if he behaves and stops acting like a twat then sign until january. Assess the situation when thomas loan finishes.

He's an exceptional player for this division, if he can sort himself out. With a 1 month contract, little risk.

There's not enough pennies in the world for Nile to pay the number of 'late for training' fines he'd rack up.

Isn't he under contract to Blackpool? How can we sign him outside the window?

That's a lot of shrapnel.

I'd be an exceptional player for this division if I was 20 years younger and had Championship level footballing ability. But I'm not and I don't. He's shown time and again that he's a complete liability in the dressing room and in wider sphere off the pitch. The harm he does far outweighs any marginal benefit he brings, on the rare occasions when he's actually present to bring it. Nowhere near my club, thanks.

It doesn't set a great example either does it, we won't tolerate any bullshit.. Unless you're really good at football.

That's not even mentioning that I'm sure the last time Power and Cooper talked about it they both sounded like they'd rather bang Susan Boyle than have him back.

Doesn't Ranger have some weird record of never being booked or something? If you only ever saw him play, you'd think he was a model professional. His attitude during games was always superb.

It's a bit odd really

Yup here comes dinner...

 :D

He hardly gave away any fouls, very strange how he was so calm and composed on the pitch..

And the way defenders tried to rough him up you'd expect him to clout them like he did that girl. They spent most of the time just bouncing off of him.

Sigh, I miss Nile.

Agreed. Jekyll and Hyde. Maybe he should play a match every day?

if you could get him to turn up every other day it  would be an improvement