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Title: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: mexico red on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 16:22:54
Come on Germany


 http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zV4CTHUFhig


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Power to people on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 16:50:39
There was a time that English fans would not be cheering Germany to win but I think with what they done against Brazil has won them a bit more respect


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 16:59:02
Argies for me.

The Hun have done nothing wrong and are worthy favourites but I do like a superstar that is humble so it's Messi and his mates I'll be cheering on


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Post by: herthab on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 17:03:47
Football should be about teamwork. Germany is the best team by a mile. Therefore Germany get my vote.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: 4D on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 17:11:25
Deutschland um es in der nachspielzeit gewinnen


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: janaage on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 17:13:04
Vamos, vamos Argentina! Although if the Germans do win it then fair enough.



Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 17:16:53
Fucking hate Argentina, so it's the krauts for me.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 17:24:28
We (England) used to be great rivals to the Germans. Now they are streets ahead. The Bundesliga is great without them wittering on about it being the greatest league in the world and you have to admire their international team, no 'superstars', but a great team ethic.

For me I want Germany to win, and handsomely.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 17:35:54
The longer it stays 0-0 the more worried I'd be given Argentinas defensive tactics, that they'd nick one.
Our midfield I believe is too strong to keep quiet, however

2-1 with Thomas Müller winning the golden boot


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Langers on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 17:38:13
The Argentinian fans have been my favourite at this tournament (seen here in a Brazilian shopping centre)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwFhPqLcW3U

But I still want the Germans to win.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Stevens on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 17:49:07
I hope the game goes to extra time.
5/1 Germany, 7/1 Argentina to win in extra time or pens.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 17:53:05
I have a load of Scottish friends and the irony of them continually calling robben a cheat when they hold maradona on a pedestal for the hand of god is pretty funny.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: adje on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 17:53:20
cant help thinking of the 1990 final when germany were a disgrace
kind of want argentina to get revenge.plus muller is my 3rd most hated player of this tournament behind marcelo and robben


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 18:06:53
Really don't mind who wins, don't really like either team. Gone Germany to win on pens at 9/1


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 18:10:56
Argentina were my pick from the start so I will stick with them. 1-0 with a late messi goal.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: stfc1975 on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 18:39:11
Just hoping for a decent game although I have got The Argies in my work sweepstake. 
Might do a scorecast on Germany to even it up. Klose first goal and 3-1 .


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: janaage on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 18:46:02
I have a load of Scottish friends and the irony of them continually calling robben a cheat when they hold maradona on a pedestal for the hand of god is pretty funny.

You put yer left hand in, yer left hand out.....

Come off it Bob footballs full of hypocritical bullshit, why should the scots be immune from that?

Maradona's a legend, would like to see Messi emulate him tonight and in fact go one better, Diego never managed a WC final goal.



Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 18:48:23
Khedira out injured, that's a big loss


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 18:50:10
Had a nibble 3-1 and 3-2 Argentina win in 90 mins

33/1 and 50/1


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 18:53:51
You put yer left hand in, yer left hand out.....

Come off it Bob footballs full of hypocritical bullshit, why should the scots be immune from that?

Maradona's a legend, would like to see Messi emulate him tonight and in fact go one better, Diego never managed a WC final goal.



My comment was a fishing one for you Jan if I'm honest! :)

It wasn't really a serious one 🎣


Title: Re:
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 19:00:34
Deutschland!!


Title: Re:
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 19:02:44
Bit rubbish they're making Argentina play in Chelsea strip.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 19:03:37
Can't we just change the rules so neither team wins?


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 19:13:22
Can't we just change the rules so neither team wins?

I'm hoping for a mass brawl so the game can be abandoned, and neither wins.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 19:15:34
I'm hoping for a mass brawl so the game can be abandoned, and neither wins.

That'll work.


Title: Re:
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 19:28:36
Maybe if the Luftwaffe launch an offensive on Port Stanley before half time?


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: janaage on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 19:48:29
Really enjoyed that first half, good final so far.


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 19:55:29
Half time view : Germany mostly in charge but Argie pace causing them problems. Argentina have made the better chance but how the hell did Germany mid that header.


Title: Re:
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 20:00:56
This time 20 years ago, I remember sitting up in to the small hours to watch the Final go to penalties.  Have a feeling that this could go the same way.


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Post by: Bewster on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 20:02:09
This time 20 years ago, I remember sitting up in to the small hours to watch the Final go to penalties.  Have a feeling that this could go the same way.

where were you then ??


Title: Re:
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 20:13:32
My Mum & Dad's house.  Not that interesting.  :D

Seem to remember it was on late.  Am I remembering that wrong?


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 20:16:35
Shades of Schumacher there


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Sir Pissalot on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 20:18:27
So, how was that a foul by Higuain?  Ridiculous decision!


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 20:19:12
Seem to remember it was on late.  Am I remembering that wrong?

It was in the USA with a similar time difference, but I believe it kicked off an hour or so later UK time.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 20:20:05
So, how was that a foul by Higuain?  Ridiculous decision!

Agreed. Should be an Argie throw-in.


Title: Re:
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 20:30:09
I've loved this World Cup


Title: Re:
Post by: Bewster on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 20:36:34
My Mum & Dad's house.  Not that interesting.  :D

Seem to remember it was on late.  Am I remembering that wrong?

20 years ago was in USA, pens weren't that late - mid evening perhaps. Or maybe I am wrong too?


Title: Re:
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 20:42:48
20 years ago was in USA, pens weren't that late - mid evening perhaps. Or maybe I am wrong too?

I think it kicked off about 2030 UK time.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Sir Pissalot on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 20:46:29
Yes, it was a 12.35 KO in California which I think is 8 hours behind us.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 20:54:16
I am close to a heart attack


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Stevens on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 21:09:07
I hope the game goes to extra time.
5/1 Germany, 7/1 Argentina to win in extra time or pens.


Thank you


Title: Re: Re: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 21:18:15
I am close to a heart attack
Not surprised.  Hang in there.  Would hate to see this go to penalties...as would you, I expect.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 21:22:01
Aguero very lucky not be sent off.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Sir Pissalot on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 21:26:48
A goal worthy of winning it!


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 21:27:28
Germany 6 mins away from being the first European side to win the WC in South America.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: jutty274 on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 21:28:08
A good finish from the hun there


Title: Re:
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 21:29:42
Imagine MWS is feeling like I did after Steve White's pen at Wembley.

Tick, tock...


Title: Re:
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 21:37:16
Uber alles.  Deservedly.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 21:37:28
Messi's next stop should be a Spanish jail for tax evasion.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 21:38:17
Congrats... the Germans.



Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 21:39:49
Messi ist over-rated, Argentina got what they deserved

I'm off to have my heart checked....


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Summerof69 on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 21:40:50
Messi ist over-rated, Argentina got what they deserved

Fully agree.


Title: Re:
Post by: Batch on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 21:42:02
Fantastic. Well done Germany. Schweinsteiger was my man of the match. Messi bottled it IMO, so much pressure on him though. Same thing happened to fat Rinaldo in France.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Ginginho on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 21:47:03
Great stuff, the best team this tournament (by a country mile) deservedly won.

Well done Deutschland, fuck you Argentina, you got what you deserved, fuck all.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 21:47:30
Not jumping on bandwagon, always thought Messi is over-rated. Mueller more influential in international football.


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Post by: Quagmire on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 21:51:30
Same thing happened to fat Rinaldo in France.
I didn't realise till recently he collapsed on the day of the final, wasn't on the original team sheet as we was still in the hospital when the teams were announced.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Bewster on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 21:58:33
Great stuff, the best team this tournament (by a country mile) deservedly won.

Well done Deutschland, fuck you Argentina, you got what you deserved, fuck all.

I thought Columbia were the best team or at least the most entertaining


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 21:59:35
Messi golden ball.. REALLY? These mongs are in charge of our game..  :cry:


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: janaage on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 22:00:17
Messi is overrated? Ha ha ha. Brilliant.

Tonight came to quality of finishing, Arg had none, Germany had a little, and the little they had was enough.

That said I really enjoyed that final, very enjoyable. Well played Germany, unlucky Argentina.

Always a bit sad when you get to the end of a World Cup, had no kids during SA 2010, wonder what life will be like in 2018.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 22:04:48
Messi is overrated? Ha ha ha. Brilliant.

Tonight came to quality of finishing, Arg had none, Germany had a little, and the little they had was enough.

That said I really enjoyed that final, very enjoyable. Well played Germany, unlucky Argentina.

Always a bit sad when you get to the end of a World Cup, had no kids during SA 2010, wonder what life will be like in 2018.

He genuinely is though. Gets fed chances on a plate at Barca. Not saying he's not world class, because he really is. But goes hiding in games, seems to be most important games too. Not better than Maradona..


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 22:06:38
Lionel Messi is, without doubt, the best player I've seen in person.

He was unbelievable.



Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Gnasher on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 22:08:38
Lionel Messi is, without doubt, the best player I've seen in person.

He was unbelievable.



Quite a specimen eh?  ;)


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 22:11:10
Messi had the chance to show he was the best player in the world tonight and came up short.
Compare him to maradona for instance. Not even close.
He is arguably the best player in the world but this was set up for him and he didn't show it.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Bewster on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 22:13:29
Messi is up there with the best. I just don't think the Argies have developed a system or a team structure that gets the best out of him.  Maradona didn't and neither did Sabella.



Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Paolo69 on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 22:13:50
Is Messi allowed to be a bloody good player? Not as good as Maradona but still a bloody good player?

Agree with Jan, not over rated IMO. His club record speaks for itself and he had a massive influence on getting a reasonably average team to the final. Not sure who he's over rated by?!


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 22:16:04
Of course he isn't overrated. His record speaks for itself.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 22:17:33
He genuinely is though. Gets fed chances on a plate at Barca. Not saying he's not world class, because he really is. But goes hiding in games, seems to be most important games too. Not better than Maradona..


Yeah all those champions league finals and el classicos he's scored in mean fuck all. You've referred to him as world class and overrated at the same time, have a word with yourself.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: suttonred on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 22:20:45
I reckon he did his hamstring start of the 2nd half


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: JoeMezz on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 22:24:54
Yeah all those champions league finals and el classicos he's scored in mean fuck all. You've referred to him as world class and overrated at the same time, have a word with yourself.

World class but not best ever as people suggest - therefore over-rated.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: 4D on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 22:26:32
Deutschland um es in der nachspielzeit gewinnen

Thank you one and all  :naughty:


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 22:31:18
 My mind can't help but drift back to a Euro u 21 final 5 years ago. England got mullered by the Hun, but had been quite impressive in getting to the final.

Germany U21: Neuer, Beck, Howedes, Boateng, Boenisch, Hummels (Aogo 83), Johnson (Schwaab 68), Castro, Khedira, Ozil (Schmelzer 89), Wagner.
Subs Not Used: Fromlowitz, Ebert, Marin, Grote, Adlung, Ben-Hatira, Ede, Sippel.
Goals: Castro 23, Ozil 48, Wagner 79, 84.
Booked: Boenisch, Wagner.
England U21: Loach, Cranie (Gardner 80), Richards, Onuoha (Mancienne 46), Gibbs, Cattermole, Muamba (Rodwell 77), Noble, Milner, Walcott, Johnson.
Subs Not Used: Lewis, Taylor, Stearman, Tomkins, Driver, Rose.

6 Hun, on the original team sheet tonight.

James Milner the only one of ours to make the squad, although I suppose Theo would if he'd been fit.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: DV Canio on Sunday, July 13, 2014, 22:49:25
My mind can't help but drift back to a Euro u 21 final 5 years ago. England got mullered by the Hun, but had been quite impressive in getting to the final.

Germany U21: Neuer, Beck, Howedes, Boateng, Boenisch, Hummels (Aogo 83), Johnson (Schwaab 68), Castro, Khedira, Ozil (Schmelzer 89), Wagner.
Subs Not Used: Fromlowitz, Ebert, Marin, Grote, Adlung, Ben-Hatira, Ede, Sippel.
Goals: Castro 23, Ozil 48, Wagner 79, 84.
Booked: Boenisch, Wagner.
England U21: Loach, Cranie (Gardner 80), Richards, Onuoha (Mancienne 46), Gibbs, Cattermole, Muamba (Rodwell 77), Noble, Milner, Walcott, Johnson.
Subs Not Used: Lewis, Taylor, Stearman, Tomkins, Driver, Rose.

6 Hun, on the original team sheet tonight.

James Milner the only one of ours to make the squad, although I suppose Theo would if he'd been fit.

People keep going back to this...

It's hardly a shock is it? If Germany had better players 5 years ago - 5 years on those players are still going to better?

I'd be more interested to know how many league games those German players have averaged since compared with the English players.



Title: Re: Re: Re:
Post by: Batch on Monday, July 14, 2014, 06:28:19
I didn't realise till recently he collapsed on the day of the final, wasn't on the original team sheet as we was still in the hospital when the teams were announced.
Yeah, there were a lot of rumours that sponsor pressure forced Brazil to play him despite his fit.

All denied of course but whatever happened it caused Brazil not to turn up to the final .


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, July 14, 2014, 07:57:13
The best team of the whole four weeks won.....as much as it hurts me to say it.

Great goal and so glad it never went to penalties.

Jocks and Paddies with Hun and Jam rolls in the Euro qualifying group...they're fucked!


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, July 14, 2014, 08:42:52
For me the best 'team' in the tournament take home the spoils.

Messi showed glimpses of brilliance but, like Ronaldo, his club team is better than his International team and he never really looked like the Messi of Barcelona. I thought giving him the golden ball trophy was a bit of a piss-take and felt for him having to go up and collect it (Robben or James Rodriguez for me should have got it).

One of my friends was watching on Copacabana beach and said some of the Argentinians were throwing chairs at the celebrating Germans which is a shame but not altogether surprising.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Abrahammer on Monday, July 14, 2014, 08:50:21
I keep seeing an awful lot of people saying this is the best WC ever.  The group stages were excellent but there were about 3 good games in the knockouts. I think the shitness of 2010 has distorted things.

France 98 remains the best World Cup I can remember (1990 onwards)


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, July 14, 2014, 09:11:35
People keep going back to this...

It's hardly a shock is it? If Germany had better players 5 years ago - 5 years on those players are still going to better?

I'd be more interested to know how many league games those German players have averaged since compared with the English players.

I can see your point, but can't help but think, it's more indicative of how our problem lies with player development around this stage...and you're probably right to infer it's because these sort of lads hit a glass ceiling at Prem clubs.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Honkytonk on Monday, July 14, 2014, 09:32:23
I keep seeing an awful lot of people saying this is the best WC ever.  The group stages were excellent but there were about 3 good games in the knockouts. I think the shitness of 2010 has distorted things.

France 98 remains the best World Cup I can remember (1990 onwards)

Yeah, normally the group stages of a competition are full of boring games, followed by excitement in the knockouts, but it's been the other way round this year - I honestly can't think of one boring group game.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, July 14, 2014, 09:47:31
Yeah, normally the group stages of a competition are full of boring games, followed by excitement in the knockouts, but it's been the other way round this year - I honestly can't think of one boring group game.

I always think it's the other way around....group games are better because early you get a second chance, players are fresher and you get unknowns and underdogs given a it a good go because of the likelihood of only playing a few games.

KO games tend to be cagier, for obvious reasons..

This has been a thoroughly enjoyable WC, but like all modern football, can't really compare to the past....it just is what it is.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, July 14, 2014, 10:05:25
Yeah, normally the group stages of a competition are full of boring games, followed by excitement in the knockouts, but it's been the other way round this year - I honestly can't think of one boring group game.

England v Costa Rica was honking.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: kerry red on Monday, July 14, 2014, 10:21:04
TBH I don't care who wins the WC, who is, or isn't, world class.

To me it's no different to watching the PL games on Sky. A few good ones, most are boring pap.

My only real interest is in what happens at SN1. The rest is peripheral fluff.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Honkytonk on Monday, July 14, 2014, 10:22:37
England v Costa Rica was honking.

Sorry, that doesn't count as it has been exorcised from my memory.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Nemo on Monday, July 14, 2014, 10:23:30
Sorry, that doesn't count as it has been exorcised from my memory.

Japan v Greece was awful too. But point made.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, July 14, 2014, 10:28:00
Nigeria v Iran was a snoozefest.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Honkytonk on Monday, July 14, 2014, 10:36:06
LALALALALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR ANY OF YOU LALALALALALALALA


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, July 14, 2014, 10:42:18
I only watched 2 games.

So there!


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, July 14, 2014, 10:54:54
Hopefully this world cup can put to bed the thought that any of our players are near world class or that the England team are anywhere near decent. We've got a lot of work ahead of us but one good thing is that people now have more realistic expectations. Not a bad World Cup overall.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, July 14, 2014, 11:13:50
Messi showed glimpses of brilliance but, like Ronaldo, his club team is better than his International team and he never really looked like the Messi of Barcelona. I thought giving him the golden ball trophy was a bit of a piss-take and felt for him having to go up and collect it (Robben or James Rodriguez for me should have got it).

Fully agree. There is no way Messi deserved the best player award.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, July 14, 2014, 11:30:37
Fully agree. There is no way Messi deserved the best player award.

I don't remember that particular farce at previous WC's....even Maradona said it was just done for the corporates.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: ronnie21 on Monday, July 14, 2014, 14:25:11
Fully agree. There is no way Messi deserved the best player award.
Totally agree, as one of the pundits said Messi in Barcelona's team and he is brilliant, put him in an average Argie team and he looks ordinary!


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, July 14, 2014, 15:00:30
Totally agree, as one of the pundits said Messi in Barcelona's team and he is brilliant, put him in an average Argie team and he looks ordinary!

Ironically, there has been talk that Sabella was just a patsy, and he was just doing what Messi wanted anyway.

There was an article over the weekend, about Suarez's move to Barca, and the fact that Barca just do what Messi wants, and that Suarez should get used to playing on the wing (when he's not suspended for biting players) as the team is just set up for making Messi look good.



Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Nemo on Monday, July 14, 2014, 15:12:18
Was that article in Marca?


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, July 14, 2014, 15:29:48
Messi's body language to me seemed all wrong last night as well. When Mascharano and the manager were doing their team talk on the pitch before extra time, Messi was sauntering around in his own little world not paying any attention. I know he doesn't 'need' to work very hard but if I was a team mate, seeing him barely running whilst I'm working my bollocks off wouldn't auger well. During extra time his 'heat map' probably covered the square root of fuck all.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: JoeMezz on Monday, July 14, 2014, 17:15:08
Finally people seeing that just because of Messi's goal record doesn't mean he can't be criticised. He wasn't even the best Argentinian player, Mascherano was.


Title: Re: World Cup final Germany v Argentina
Post by: Costanza on Monday, July 14, 2014, 17:20:28
Pele scored goals and was shite too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4fzeK3SQa4