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Was talking to a friend at the weekend who is into rock climbing.

Now, I could just about give that a go but potholing or caving just gives me the creeps.

There is no way I could even attempt that.

I worked with a guy who spent every evening rock climbing. Sounded boring as fuck tbh.

Only one real fear for me which is death.

Potholing. I actually have to look away whenever I see it on a movie/TV.

Last orders comes in a close second.

Have you seen the descent,  FH?

Spiders.

Absolutely hate the creepy little bastards.

Death is a strange one. If there is something afterwards yoo-hoo and if not you ain't going to know about it.

I must admit, if I could be granted one wish it is to die before my wife. Selfish  as it is.

By that, I mean after her not in front of her.

Just wasps for me, pointless little insect chavs.

I'm ok with most things,  spiders, rats, mice, snakes etc; but the one thing I don't like is those big moths, they always seem to fly into my face.

I climbed this once. Most assuredly not boring as fuck.

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Kudos

if you wanted to die before her then it would not be after her.

Yes I have. It was a terrible experience for me.

You're right.

Fuck it, I may be dying right now

Actually not that difficult, technically. If you came to the link centre to practice you could be up that in 2 months tops. The difficult part is the fear factor.

Were you off your face on acid at the time Jayo

Fuck me, never thought it would take 2 months to climb that!

Sober as a judge. Good buzz on it's own that rock climbing.

You knew what I meant you clever cunt.

Just drowning.

Not over keen on heights or enclosed places but they don't overly worry me as such.

As for insects.....have a word with yourself, they are tiny little things that could do you no damage, unless you have an alergy to wasp stings etc.

I take it you use ropes and the like.

You're not one of those free climbing nut jobs that just uses your hands

Free climbing is for bellends. I don't even do trad, all top rope sport climbing for me. Literally no danger.

Spiders and heights.

It's not being up high as such. Have done the cn tower glass floor, etc. It's being up heigh with the possibility of falling. Cliffs, that king of thing. Watched a c4 program recently about some knob that climbed crains and stuff. Had sweaty palms and had to look away. It was only a TV programming ffs.

Heights does it for me too, could never go on those fantastic looking rides at Alton Towers or Blackpool, have to look away - fucking coward I know!!  One of the other things I hate is snakes - and i also hate the crap music played at the CG!!

Yeah it's an odd one, it's the feeling of knowing I'm going to die which frightens me. When I do go, I don't wanna know anything about it!

Locked in syndrome

I'll hold you to that. I've been (excuse the pun) roped into abseilling the Jury's Inn in town in June. Enclosed heights don't bother me, however that element of danger with heights is a little fearful.

That would be horrific. One of the few cases where assisted suicide is an essential right to have.

That's easy for you to say, but phobia is a very real thing.

I could say drowning won't do you any damage if you can swim.

My mates uncle had that, i think they are still fighting it in court

Ian Brown songs.

Potholing isn't too bad - cave diving is for total nut-jobs.

I don't like flying. Dying in a plane crash is top of my list, especially a crash into water, at night. Drowning in a pitch black tomb, makes me shudder.

don't forget freezing cold!

of its any consolation your plane is more likely to disintegrate on impact.

Being buried alive in a confined space (like a coffin!).

In recent years I've become pretty scared of heights, always used to be fine but have no idea what has triggered this.

Stuff like getting up ladders is fine but being up a tall building and looked over the edge toward the ground makes me feel physically sick.

Bridges. And dying. Two separate fears.

I'm not afraid of dying, but I do feel a sense of missing out. I'd love to be about for all the amazing discoveries we will inevitably make in the future.

To paraphrase Hitch: Not only are we being told to leave the party, but we know that the party will still be going on once we have left.

It's just over and not coming back is what scares me.

It's impossible (so far) to be certain of what happens after we die.

If it is oblivion then there is nothing to be afraid of. What we should, perhaps, be more afraid of is life after death because we don't know what kind of 'life' that would be.

Heights for me, like other people i feel like i'm going to fall, and have the urge to jump because i hate being high up etc.

Spiders etc don't bother me at all, if they're in the house i leave them alone, they're not going to hurt me. Although i can understand why people have phobia's about them, as some of my friends can't understand why i have phobia's about heights, but we're all different.

My biggest fears are those such as loosing a limb/s or being paralyzed and confined toa  wheel chair. I know people can live their lives as normal, but i wouldnt be able to. I'd rather die than have to have a limb amputated.

Dying isn't really a fear is it? It's a healthy thing to have, else we'd get nowhere as a species.

Heights for me. Being on the edge of a tall building and looking down or walking around gets me a bit jelly legged

Daily fears: wasps, spiders, frogs.

Biggies: being paralysed from the neck down, drowning, falling from a great height.

Right now my fear is that this one day out of date seafood that I'm eating is going to have me talking to the big white telephone all night.

So, bravado aside, if push came to shove could anyone top themselves if their situation may warrant it?

I think I would/could.

Yup.

Yep. Wouldnt have the balls to do something like jumping infront of a train or jump from a building, imagine I could go through with an overdose or something like that.

Hanging oneself doesn't look the most pain free way of doing things.

Yeah. It does make you wonder why some people choose that method when there is far simpler ways.

Maybe they are making more of a point.

My brother used to be a part time fireman and by all accounts the old exhaust pipe isn't too pretty for the discoverer

If people are going to do it, do it so it doesn't harm anyone else physically.

I have no sympathy for people who do it off a bridge or similar cos it can cause death on innocent people.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLXc4OalIn8

Uh huh

I don't understand why people choose to hang themselves either. The jumping in front of trains I can understand, it disrupts thousands of people so in the victim's warped logic they feel they're getting attention, people know what has happened to them.

The ol' exhaust fumes in the garage method seems painless.

I don't really fear anything.

I'm not mental - obviously it's not like I'm not bothered about dying etc. But it's not something I consciously consider or fear.

OK for the doer but very messy as they do vomit a lot apparently

Out living my children.

I firmly believe we only get one life. That's it, no heaven or hell, no coming back as a fish or anything else. You live then you die. There cannot be any other rational anything else.

The only correct answer to the matter of life after death is that we just don't know.

I don't believe in heaven, hell or re-incarnation myself. But why should religious superstition have a monopoly over what happens after we die? That's all fictional nonsense anyway.

Life after death could simply be part of physics and nature that we don't yet understand. The world of quantum physics is revealing all sorts of things that we previously thought impossible and we've only just scratched the surface. We also need to take into account that the reality we experience is limited by the processing powers of our sensory organs and brains. Einstein reckoned that time is not linear as we experience and that the past, present and future all exist simultaneously. We are only able to see a 2D version of time.

The afterlife is such an abstract concept that we may never get close to any closure on it, but to begin we need to think outside the box and probably cast aside notions of heaven and what-not.

Yep. I wasn't aware that I had this fear until I was watching Kill Bill. I nearly had a fucking panic attack.

Heights is the worst for me, I don't like lifts either.

Heights for me too. Which is interesting as I've been to the top of the world trade centre (NYC) and centre point in Sydney and love flying......

Heights for me too, or more precisely falling. No problem flying, and wouldn't mind the actual parachuting, but there's no way I could throw myself out of the aeroplane. And don't even talk about bungee-jumping.

Does his avatar shit you up?

Cliff edges. That's pretty much it. No bravado or anything, but that's really the only thing I am not keen on.

I suppose dying alone and forgotten is a horrible thing that I hope will never happen, but that, like a fear of death itself, is surely the fear of everyone.

I love heights,  but probably down to the slight fear factor it gives.

I am not so sure about that. I think that as you get older you become more accepting of the inevitable. I remember my mum saying in her late eighties that she wasn't concerned about dying, she felt that the time would be about right for enough life.

Something like this I guess:

http://youtu.be/NOW4QiOD-oc (http://youtu.be/NOW4QiOD-oc)

:)

Or psychological horror computer games

Open heights - I've been to the top of the WTC when it was there and was fine, but did the Stratosphere, saw a woman leaning on the windows (which over hang) and my feet went.  Had to go straight back down in the lift.

Wasps - not so much phobia wise, just hate the buggers and having never been stung, don't fancy trying whether I have an allergy or not.

Deep water - don't like the sense of no sides and nothing beneath me bar water for more than my own height!

Apprehensive of flying - was never that way, this is in the past 13 years and is getting worse if anything.  Started when I flew 3 weeks after 9/11 and our flight was diverted due to a fault in the US.  I think that as an adult, all the possibilities became a closer reality and having no control over the situation makes it worse.  I now have to be at least tipsy to get on the buggers and my holiday to Florida last year must have seen me close to being refused entry!

Its an interesting one flying. No matter how many times someone tells you 'how statistically unlikely it is..', it doesn't make much difference to how you feel.

I used to be an uncomfortable flier myself, sweat palms and racing heart, nothing worse, but I think the following things sorted me out
 - Flying to Australia on honeymoon
 - Experiencing turbulence on a smallish (30 seat) twin prop plane - things never seemed so bad in a big plane.
 - Watching Air Crash Investigation - I think its because it has shown that if things go wrong then its not certain death, some things are recoverable.

But alcohol works too.

Losing my sight or hearing.

Thats where i realised i developed the fear of heights, looked over the edge and my legs went. Then i saw those rides hanging off the side of the tower and the thought of attempting to go on one made me feel sick. 

Birds, the feathered variety, cant stand em. They move funny, flap in your face and have evil eyes!

Not scared of heights by any means, but I tend to get an incredible adrenaline rush when I am up ridiculously high and I get an overwhelming urge to jump as well. No idea why! Don't want to die, just think it would be fun. Think this is why I love rollercoasters so much!

Public speaking, which is ironic given my job. Whenever I have to speak to over 20 or 30 people I shit myself! Once I'm up there it disappears,  so I suppose the fear is more the thought than the action.

I feel more confident about public speaking as I have got older.

It gets easier with practice.

Many years ago when I was just a puppy, I was thrown into doing a presentation at work in front of the MD. It was woeful, truly horrible and I was as nervous as hell. My boss decided to send me on a three day public speaking course which was absolutely brilliant.

I would quite happily stand on the Bank on a matchday and give a speech now.

That is usually the case

Hertha,  you need to watch the episode of the office when Brent does his motivational speech to an audience  :)

mushrooms, i will run, and maybe throw your clothes off the balcony if you put one in my bed

having  been paralyzed from the neck down for a few weeks, learning to walk  again and gradually regaining the feeling in my limbs over 4 months,the most worring when in mid rehab was meeting a bloke with Parkinsons ( I think ) whoes journey was the other direction as he  gradually lost the use of his  ability to do simple tasks I would not like to go  down that route knowing what it was like- drinking tea though a straw was aminor inconvenience. :(

Is that because there won't be mushroom left?

(I'll get my coat)

I concur with that, i had a stroke a couple of months ago and lost the use of my arm. I have full mobility back now but the thought of having another, worse one and being like that permanently is pretty scary especially when you have seen how it's affected other people.

Not being able to go to sleep at night - completely freaks me out :(

That happens to me all the time. It's not that bad. I'll give you some decent channel numbers for if it does ever happen to you, will calm you right down!

Chanel Number Five any good?

Has to be claustrophobia.  And, in particular, the thought of being put in a coffin and buried alive is a horror that almost makes me ill when I think about it.  I can think of nothing more terrifying.

So much so, in fact, that I am going to insist on being cremated when the time comes.  No one really knows for sure that corpses have no consciousness (yes, I'm being paranoid), and I just can't run the risk.

Heights and I reckon I have Trypophobia

That Reg has been romancing my mum  ;D

Small boobs

'shudder'

Don't even make me think about it.

It's a crime. My friend only goes for chicks with small tits. I won't let my kids go near him!

Takes all sorts, I guess.

One of my exes had enormous tits.  She was in her mid 20s then.  And, quite by coincidence, I saw her for the first time in 15 years on Sunday.  She was lining the route of the marathon at around the 11 mile mark in Southwark and I ran right past her.  Don't think she saw me.  None of this is really relevant to anything, but I just thought I'd mention it.

By the way - I just had time to check, and they're still huge.

Another vote for big tits.

This is probably worth a thread of its own.

I'm on it!

 :headhurts:

That we will still be having a minutes silence for Hillsborough every year for the rest of my life

:D

Not a criticism, but it did occur to me when I was listening to a radio report about the remembrance ceremony the other day how Liverpool FC has effectively appropriated the name of another club's ground and made it its own.  Fans talk about '25 years since Hillsborough', with 'Hillsborough' referring to the disaster and not to the ground itself.  It's as if 'Hillsborough' now belongs more to LFC than it does with Sheffield Weds - which is quite odd when you think about it.

I've thought this a number of times.  It must be a strange subject to talk about as a Sheffield Wednesday fan.  Its a natural enough thing for people to do linguistically - essentially shorten "The Hillsborough Disaster" to "Hillsborough" - but, as you say, it does seem to be an appropriation of the stadium name.  It is, sadly, the first thing you think of when you hear the stadium name - which is a real shame, because the stadium was built in a similar way to many others at the time, and has been redesigned and, these days, is a fantastic stadium.  I really don't know what my point is here, other than I agree with you. 

I just came across this  :eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iD4qsWnjsNU

I am going to say something controversial here, I felt the complete absence of reference to Heysel a touch amnesiac (is that a word) in these recent commemorations. Has that tragedy been airbrushed from history? Everton are to place a memorial to the victims of Hillsborough at Goodison, but has the City of Liverpool endeavoured to memorialise the loss of 39 Juve fans in any official sense? I heard not one mention of the loss of life in Brussels last week, a shade negligent?

Manure fans unfurled a JFT39 banner at Goodison last weekend
Not for the right reasons of course

mwooly63, something else I don't think I have ever heard, a spectator in Leppings Lane that day say they were in the end having rushed the gates without a ticket, it just doesn't happen. I am not judging because we'd all likely have done the same in the event of seeing Town play in an FA Cup Semi Final. But why nobody say they have a burdened conscience through launching themselves en-masse through flimsy cordons? I HAVE NEVER seen or heard this subject broached. I am sure many in Liverpool have quietly held their counsel on what happened that day.

Because they have had the police and sun to keep blaming.

Ticketless fans that day are hardly going to advertise it. They were there though I'm sure. Pretty well known for getting into grounds without them. See footage from their cup final vs everton.

I can understand where you're coming from, but it seems highly unlikely and a bit conspiracy theory-ish that all these people have managed to keep schtum for all these years. Isn't it more likely that they simply don't exist?

I tend to believe what I've read about "the rushing ticketless" being a myth that doesn't actually stand up to scrutiny. It seems plausible to me that if you have a large number of people walking slowly in to a funnel shaped area then people at the front will get slowly crushed.

There were fans without tickets that got in and fans that were drunk. Both are acknowledged and noted in the Taylor report, both were found not to be a factor in what happened. Well worth reading the highlights of the Taylor report, the sequence of events that lead to the disaster came across as the perfect storm to me.

What I find saddest about it all is that 25 years later some of the families still haven't been able to move past what happened and get on with their lives. I get the feeling they'll never get the justice or closure that they need.

With regards to coverage of the Heysel disaster, what about Bradford? Obviously it has nothing to do with Merseyside, but 56 people died due to an ageing ground and improper safety. Don't see why Hillsborough is a special case.

Liverpool had nothing to do with Heysel it was Chelsea fans apparently! we know that's bollocks, I recall that prick Dalglish saying that they were not to blame either.. What a wanker

Trust we will have a late kick off for the Bradford memorial or was that just a scouse special

Bradford usually falls outside the season as on the 11th May
Which is a shame
30th anniversary next season

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I still remember seeing the live TV feed and seeing people come out of the stand with their hair on fire.....and to think that they were the 'lucky' ones!

Sit next to a scouser at work... They take absolutely no blame for it (Hillsborough) whatsoever. I personally think a large portion of the blame does not lie with them at all, but it does seem to be quite clear fans turned up without tickets and forced their way in. But that alone does not kill 96 people.

There's footage from the day, where a fan on the pitch is berating other Liverpool fans for not having tickets. I'll try and dig it out.

Some guy tweeted that picture and said where the fuck was there justice... Police laid fans to blame for that as well I think

I would expect quite a number of fans to turn up without tickets. Don't forget FA Cup semis weren't televised live in those days, so the only way to watch it was to be there. There were thousands of Liverpool fans who travelled to Istanbul without tickets, when they won the CL, and the game was live on TV around the world.

If a number of ticketless fans were hanging around the turnstiles when the police opened the gates, they were always going to smell an opportunity to get in for free, but it caused the deaths of 96 innocent people, which should always be mostly the police's fault for that decision, but if there wasn't a crush outside the ground, they wouldn't have opened the gates...

The 'so-called' independent inquiry last year was not independent as you had four people with links to Liverpool or Hillsborough on the board, from the Bishop of Liverpool, Peter Sissons, born in Liverpool, a producer who worked on the documentary 'Hillsborough' and a professor who wrote a book called 'Hillsborough - The Truth', so they were biased towards Liverpool and the fans.

In the meantime, next year is the 30th Anniversary of Heysel, and nothing gets mentioned about that.

Spot on

Don't think the fans were ever blamed for that.

I saw the picture and don't really know what he was expecting when he said those fans deserved 'justice' when it was his own club at fault for not replacing a stand they had been warned was unsafe.

Was due to be demolished at seasons end
And that game was last home game of the season
Who knows it may well have been shut if they weren't receiving the 3rd div trophy that day which undoubtedly swelled attendance

Unfortunate set of circumstances

I think it's pretty pathetic to constantly bring up Heysel as some sort of counter argument to Hillsborough and I also think it's pathetic and moronic to constantly slag off an entire City/football club/fanbase for events that happened where a contributing factor was (in the case of Heysel) or may have  been (in the case of Hillsborough) a tiny minority of supporters.
Every year the same twats spout the same shit. I doubt the parents who lost children at Hillsborough are in any way culpable, but some deride them as grief junkies?
Moronic.

Totally agree.