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Title: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 11:53:07
Anyone else fed up of reading the 'Administration' thread, when admin is - we hope - very much a last resort?  This story is going to run for quite some time, so maybe a thread with a more positive (and accurate) heading would be a better place to discuss.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 11:54:05
Nice 1. I hope it's concluded sooner rather than later. Looks like a deal for new investment for Birmingham is dragging on and they may be forced to sell players.

My hope lays with a comment from pdc where he said he was excited by one. One that to be fair could buy a bigger club. Normally he says it how it is.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 11:55:08
From what I can gather everything is actually looking very positive indeed.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 11:56:25
Good shout Ardiles. To paraphrase the remarkable Mr Holt "There is no Administration".


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BenTheRed on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 12:01:50
Nice 1. I hope it's concluded sooner rather than later. Looks like a deal for new investment for Birmingham is dragging on and they may be forced to sell players.

Birmingham could be seen as a lesser attractive proposition


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 12:02:31
Birmingham could be seen as a lesser attractive proposition
Considerably less. Hell of a lot of skeletons in that closet. We're clean and on the up.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 12:03:54
Birmingham have already announced their squad for sale.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 12:25:34
We're clean and on the up.

My thinking was that Birmingham could be heading for relegation and therefore less valuable, where as we are in with chance of championship football so more likely to increase in value. This I hope will aid to things coming to a quicker conclusion.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 12:27:22
Buuuut, do Birmingham own their ground? If some kind of debt restructuring could be done they'd surely have potential.

Hell of a restructure mind :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: bassett boy on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 12:29:36
Anyone else fed up of reading the 'Administration' thread, when admin is - we hope - very much a last resort?  This story is going to run for quite some time, so maybe a thread with a more positive (and accurate) heading would be a better place to discuss.
How about sale of a succesful club with potential for further growth ?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 12:31:10
How about sale of a succesful club with potential for further growth ?

When u put it like that, investors what ya waiting for


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 12:45:54
But it is reportedly ex QPR chairman Paladini that is interested in Brum, if he cannot get a deal at Brum and wants to own a club then you wonder if he may be one of the ones interested.

I seem to remember that QPR fans didnt rate Paladini  - do we need to fear ?

Although this could be 2 + 2 = 5


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 12:49:52
But it is reportedly ex QPR chairman Paladini that is interested in Brum, if he cannot get a deal at Brum and wants to own a club then you wonder if he may be one of the ones interested.

I seem to remember that QPR fans didnt rate Paladini  - do we need to fear ?
We might not need to fear him looking at us, but if he does it would be sub-optimal as potential owners go, let's say.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 13:23:07
I hope Ken Bates isnt interested in buying another football club - although he only buys clubs on the cheap so I expect we have nothing to fear there


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kaufman on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 13:52:30
Think any serious buyers should be looking at the stats by this fella on twitter. fascinating stuff, Swindon coming out near the top on all of them.

https://twitter.com/experimental361


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 13:55:24
I wonder how much any potential investor would consider the manager (and manager) as part of the deal, considering most managers are not around for long. For all we know PDC could be off at the end of the season.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 13:56:10
I hope Ken Bates isnt interested in buying another football club - although he only buys clubs on the cheap so I expect we have nothing to fear there

To be fair to Bates, Chelsea and Leeds aren't doing too badly at present and I doubt their fans will moan that much about his time in charge.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 13:58:16
To be fair to Bates, Chelsea and Leeds aren't doing too badly at present and I doubt their fans will moan that much about his time in charge.
Leeds fans fucking hate him


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: STFC_Manc on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 14:12:36
Leeds fans fucking hate him

Agree with Pauld they hate him with a passion


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 14:14:57
You've got to put that in perspective though - everyone hates him, probably even his mum.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 14:17:13
You've got to put that in perspective though - everyone hates him, probably even his mum.
:D Nice one


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 14:56:18
I hate the suspense.

If I were Piers Morgan I'd bug Black's phone to find out what is going on.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BruceChatwin on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 15:39:02
Think any serious buyers should be looking at the stats by this fella on twitter. fascinating stuff, Swindon coming out near the top on all of them.

https://twitter.com/experimental361

The only place we come out near the bottom seems to be corner efficiency. Maybe a hint we should stop taking so many ad hoc bloody short corners.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 15:47:56
Think any serious buyers should be looking at the stats by this fella on twitter. fascinating stuff, Swindon coming out near the top on all of them.

https://twitter.com/experimental361

I always wonder if any clubs actually use statistics like that. I get the impression they don't and are missing a trick.

Moneyball is a good movie to watch for the statistical element in baseball. Wonder if the same could be applied to football?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 15:49:25
Buyer criteria-needs lots of money, no expectation of making profit. Anyone else need not apply.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Spud on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 15:53:31
Moneyball is a good movie to watch for the statistical element in baseball. Wonder if the same could be applied to football?

Liverpool tried doing it, when they signed Carroll, Downing etc last season. Didn't quite work out though!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 15:54:00
I always wonder if any clubs actually use statistics like that. I get the impression they don't and are missing a trick.

Moneyball is a good movie to watch for the statistical element in baseball. Wonder if the same could be applied to football?
Yeah, it's been working really well for Liverpool since John Henry and co took over :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BruceChatwin on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 15:54:34
Also agree with Ardiles its a good idea to move our discussion of the sale of the club here, instead of constantly having the dark cloud of a thread titled 'administration' hovering over the forum every time you switch it on.

Incredible that almost 900 posts (and libel damages) have all resulted from one piece of shoddy and erroneous journalism by the BBC. They've got to take some serious responsibility for this; think they've got away rather lightly while we've been focusing all our attention on the FLP/ Talksport etc.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: thedarkprince on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 15:55:33
Liverpool tried doing it, when they signed Carroll, Downing etc last season. Didn't quite work out though!

TBF, Downing's doing alright now though.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 15:56:57
John Henry has nothing to do with Moneyball


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 16:13:39
Liverpool tried doing it, when they signed Carroll, Downing etc last season. Didn't quite work out though!

You sure they were using sabermetrics, rather than just having a fuckwit of a manager?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: mrverve on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 16:32:24
John Henry has nothing to do with Moneyball

Billy Beane is good mates with Damien Comolli, I think that's how Liverpool started with the whole sabermetrics stuff.

I find it quite fascinating but I honestly don't think it works in football.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 16:41:04
Agree, you can't really judge footballers on their stats whereas you most certainly can in baseball.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 16:42:48
Is Peter Ridsdale still available to be our new chairman, with Sandy Gray doing the accounts, and Bob Holt as head of media relations


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 17:08:52
Anyone else fed up of reading the 'Administration' thread, when admin is - we hope - very much a last resort?  This story is going to run for quite some time, so maybe a thread with a more positive (and accurate) heading would be a better place to discuss.

However you want to dress it up, the previous thread does highlight the precarious state the club is in right now.

The latest thoughts from the Adver for what they're worth is that, there are 2 foreign statements of interest but as yet no more. Call me a cunt, but I'm not overly thrilled by the general history of English football clubs being foreign owned. It wil certainly make it more difficult to register protest if we get shafted....no painting of Newbury driveways.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Coca Fola on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 17:13:21
I also feel uneasy about foreign ownership, particularly non-Europeans who don't come from big football backgrounds..


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 17:19:31
However you want to dress it up, the previous thread does highlight the precarious state the club is in right now.

The latest thoughts from the Adver for what they're worth is that, there are 2 foreign statements of interest but as yet no more. Call me a cunt, but I'm not overly thrilled by the general history of English football clubs being foreign owned. It wil certainly make it more difficult to register protest if we get shafted....no painting of Newbury driveways.
for the love of all that is holy, stop it


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 17:24:55
However you want to dress it up, the previous thread does highlight the precarious state the club is in right now.

The latest thoughts from the Adver for what they're worth is that, there are 2 foreign statements of interest but as yet no more. Call me a cunt, but I'm not overly thrilled by the general history of English football clubs being foreign owned. It wil certainly make it more difficult to register protest if we get shafted....no painting of Newbury driveways.

Who is 'dressing up' what?

Administration is one possible outcome to the situation the Club presently finds itself in.  There are several others.  I'll agree with you that the uncertainty is far from ideal - but your comment implies that we should accept the worst possible outcome as a default assumption.  And I'm not that sort of person, sorry.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 17:26:15
for the love of all that is holy, stop it

OK master Youth...let's have a little debate about foreign ownership of English football clubs. Wimbledon's Norwegian owners were good weren't they, the Franchise ended up in Milton Keynes and Wimbledon in non-league.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 17:30:54
for the love of all that is holy, stop it

He's not had the opportunity for a moan for a while. Needs to get it out of his system.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 17:31:53
OK master Youth...let's have a little debate about foreign ownership of English football clubs. Wimbledon's Norwegian owners were good weren't they, the Franchise ended up in Milton Keynes and Wimbledon in non-league.
if i believed for a moment you were posting in an attempt to engage serious debate, as opposed to pure scaremongering and proclaiming doom, i wouldn't disagree with you

but you're sounding a lot like this:

[url width=400 height=300]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WaaPzMNSCEg/TzzcnvUVYYI/AAAAAAAABRw/uczYEHTr9s4/s1600/end-is-near.jpg[/url]

(the former chairman of Wimbledon FC was voted as Norway's best boss in 2005)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 17:43:08
if i believed for a moment you were posting in an attempt to engage serious debate, as opposed to pure scaremongering and proclaiming doom, i wouldn't disagree with you

but you're sounding a lot like this:

[url width=400 height=300]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WaaPzMNSCEg/TzzcnvUVYYI/AAAAAAAABRw/uczYEHTr9s4/s1600/end-is-near.jpg[/url]

(the former chairman of Wimbledon FC was voted as Norway's best boss in 2005)

No...I'm quite capable of serious debate about football...I'll give you examples of foreign or possibly foreign ownership of football clubs and see if you agree, that on balance, there are things thaty should concern us.

Let's talk about Stoke when they were owned by Icelanders, or Hearts and the good Mr Romanaov....Cork City and Best Holdings or someone I'm sure is close to your heart, Coventry City


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 17:43:35
(the former chairman of Wimbledon FC was voted as Norway's best boss in 2005)

Sorry, but that's up there with Devizes Lawn Bowls Club Player of the Season. Not sure that will be enough to put Reg off his stride.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Paolo69 on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 17:49:28
Are that not plenty of examples of English/British owners fucking up too Reg?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 17:51:15
No...I'm quite capable of serious debate about football...I'll give you examples of foreign or possibly foreign ownership of football clubs and see if you agree, that on balance, there are things thaty should concern us.

Let's talk about Stoke when they were owned by Icelanders, or Hearts and the good Mr Romanaov....Cork City and Best Holdings or someone I'm sure is close to your heart, Coventry City

no disagreements from me, just suggesting that you are jumping the gun somewhat when we have absolutely no knowledge of the potential owners.

Sorry, but that's up there with Devizes Lawn Bowls Club Player of the Season. Not sure that will be enough to put Reg off his stride.

are you kidding? it's a clear indication that he was awesome cos he is norsk


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: DRS on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 17:53:32
No...I'm quite capable of serious debate about football...I'll give you examples of foreign or possibly foreign ownership of football clubs and see if you agree, that on balance, there are things thaty should concern us.

Let's talk about Stoke when they were owned by Icelanders, or Hearts and the good Mr Romanaov....Cork City and Best Holdings or someone I'm sure is close to your heart, Coventry City
Or Madjeski or the blackpool owers.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 17:57:13
are you kidding? it's a clear indication that he was awesome cos he is norsk

Wow, you're really domesticated aren't you.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 18:05:17
It wil certainly make it more difficult to register protest if we get shafted....no painting of Newbury driveways.

We'll have to go to dubai or italy instead.

Im sure a few could cope with that!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 18:07:28
Are that not plenty of examples of English/British owners fucking up too Reg?

Yes, of course, but ask the question why would someone want to buy a Div 3 football club? 

A question pertinent to Mr Black, who as far as anyone knows has never given an answer....we heard that Arbib was minted and wanted to return something to a localish community....Fitton and J Wray were obviously interested in football and were getting a fix for relatively modest layout. Now all gone, along with Black as well.

Think we got very lucky last time....can we really expect someone to lob £10 mill in our direction for a bit of a vanity project?



Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 18:10:38
We'll have to go to dubai or italy instead.

Im sure a few could cope with that!

Well if Thaksin Shinawatra makes a comeback, we'll have a man for the job.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 18:11:07
No...I'm quite capable of serious debate about football...I'll give you examples of foreign or possibly foreign ownership of football clubs and see if you agree, that on balance, there are things thaty should concern us.

Let's talk about Stoke when they were owned by Icelanders, or Hearts and the good Mr Romanaov....Cork City and Best Holdings or someone I'm sure is close to your heart, Coventry City

Or we could talk about Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool. Foreign owners aren't necessarily bad and can mean pissing away shit loads of money on the club (Chelsea) or running it efficiently with good financial management (Arsenal) as much as it can mean fucking the club up.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 18:13:49
I'm curious about Arbib. We were originally told he was the money behind the consortium. So was that not true, or did he at some point transfer his holding to Black? Or was his contribution a gift, rather than an exchange for shares?Anyone have any idea what Arbib actually put in?

In any case, one lesson of this pretty sound consortium is that you're in trouble if the major investors are not the football-lovers. In retrospect, that was always going to risk making their interest short-term.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 18:15:06
Well if Thaksin Shinawatra makes a comeback, we'll have a man for the job.

Alas, that cunt lives in Dubai as he'll get nicked if he sets foot in Thailand.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 18:21:00
Or we could talk about Man Utd, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal and Liverpool. Foreign owners aren't necessarily bad and can mean pissing away shit loads of money on the club (Chelsea) or running it efficiently with good financial management (Arsenal) as much as it can mean fucking the club up.

It's relatively easy to see though, why you'd throw money at a top level Prem club...harder to understand why you'd do it at Div 3 level.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 18:24:10
Alas, that cunt lives in Dubai as he'll get nicked if he sets foot in Thailand.



Dubai eh.....hasn't SWP got contacts that out that way? [url width=334 height=151]http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/Reg__Smeeton/sherlockmanatee.jpg[/url]


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 18:35:26
Alas, that cunt lives in Dubai as he'll get nicked if he sets foot in Thailand.



On second thoughts though.....

His sister lives in Thailand so I could always 'send a message' through her. Security might be a bit tight, what with her being Prime Minister and all that. Will have to devise a way to get the tarmac painter thingamy onto her driveway.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: DRS on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 18:42:36
It's relatively easy to see though, why you'd throw money at a top level Prem club...harder to understand why you'd do it at Div 3 level.
Maybe they want to get to the premier league


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: herthab on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 18:42:45
It's relatively easy to see though, why you'd throw money at a top level Prem club...harder to understand why you'd do it at Div 3 level.
Cheaper to buy a lower league club and propel it to the top flight, the returns could be very lucrative, if done correctly. Southampton haven't done badly with foreign backing.
This is all bollocks anyway, no one has any idea who these mystery people are, so I've decided to believe it's the Saudi royal family. They are going to pump in 300 million a year, with the aim of making us European Champions and the new glory hunting club of choice.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 18:47:47
Ive heard that too.  Im being installed as manager on account of having won the premier league in 2022 on FM.  And may I be the first to bemoan all these glory hunters.  It was so much better in the old days when you didnt have to buy tickets in advance and you bought your boots just in case you got a game.  And the food was shit.  Who wants prawn sandwiches at a football match.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 18:54:59
Cheaper to buy a lower league club and propel it to the top flight, the returns could be very lucrative, if done correctly. Southampton haven't done badly with foreign backing.
This is all bollocks anyway, no one has any idea who these mystery people are, so I've decided to believe it's the Saudi royal family. They are going to pump in 300 million a year, with the aim of making us European Champions and the new glory hunting club of choice.

Do you know, I wouldn't even want that. Wouldn't be my club any more. Surely even Man U or Chelsea fans must wonder what will happen if/when their owners bail out / go to prison / die. Just spend enough to make us sustainable, a la Reading/Swansea. God knows, that will take plenty.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 19:03:06
*Actually, don't know if they're sustainable. Is any club, above L1 level, on a long-term basis?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: A Gent Orange on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 19:26:36
Agree, you can't really judge footballers on their stats whereas you most certainly can in baseball.

This thread isn't really about sabremetrics but since people are talking about it - this is interesting http://5addedminutes.com/2013/01/03/part-ii-the-january-transfer-window-is-here-so-sit-back-and-relax/#more-1063 Largely due to the emphasis on not signing player based on stats.

Anyway Liverpool hardly applied it as they actually bought players well above market value, which is hardly clever use of the data.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ralphy on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 20:14:12
Cheaper to buy a lower league club and propel it to the top flight, the returns could be very lucrative, if done correctly. Southampton haven't done badly with foreign backing.
This is all bollocks anyway, no one has any idea who these mystery people are, so I've decided to believe it's the Saudi royal family. They are going to pump in 300 million a year, with the aim of making us European Champions and the new glory hunting club of choice.

Sounds mental. I wouldn't want that. All the glory hunters would fuck me off. Wouldn't feel like my club anymore.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: london_red on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 20:21:28
Do you know, I wouldn't even want that. Wouldn't be my club any more. Surely even Man U or Chelsea fans must wonder what will happen if/when their owners bail out / go to prison / die. Just spend enough to make us sustainable, a la Reading/Swansea. God knows, that will take plenty.

Couldn't have said it better myself.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 20:33:07
Do you know, I wouldn't even want that. Wouldn't be my club any more. Surely even Man U or Chelsea fans must wonder what will happen if/when their owners bail out / go to prison / die. Just spend enough to make us sustainable, a la Reading/Swansea. God knows, that will take plenty.

Absolutely agree.  All I want is some investment in the club and its infrastructure to enable it to reach its potential...as has happened at the clubs you mention.  The truth is that, at Swindon, there has been huge underinvestment in the last few decades.  (You only have to look at the ground to see this.  We are sweating that particular asset to the point of dehydration.)  I thought we had turned the corner in the last few years...and still hoping that the story has a happy ending.  Not because I want the club to be permanently bankrolled by a benefactor, but because I can see that its full potential to sustain itself and tap in to the local market has not yet been unlocked.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 20:37:32
I'd rather new investors invest in new facilities and infrastructure as opposed to signings. I think we need someone who is prepared to help progress us but in a slower manner as opposed to going gun ho and spending big in the hope for instant promotions. Get a new stadium sorted, get a scouting network and proper youth system going. Get the club's rep back into this Town's good books rather than seeing people comment saying "Swindon are rubbish" or "Why on earth do you support Swindon they're a joke" etc.

I still feel that the last point exists widely amongst local residents here although less so since the current board took over.

It'll be a longer project and would probably mean less excitement on the pitch for a sustained period but it's what happens once the target is achieved. Swansea and Reading only began their rise once they moved to their new homes.


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: herthab on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 20:42:07
My comment was less than entirely serious....


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: FatSmurf on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 20:44:18
Just read this, probably bull but could be interesting: -

Al Waleed is currently involved in an ongoing dialogue with the directors of Swindon Town Football Club, England. Al Waleed was introduced to the football club by former UN Diplomat, Sir William Patey, who has been handed the task of selling the football club on behalf of major shareholder and Betfair founder, Andrew Black. Al Waleed's son is said to be very keen on English football and it is thought should the due dilligence be completed, he will have an active role in running the club.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Waleed_bin_Talal


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 20:45:38
I WANT WORLD DOMINATION


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 20:50:02
I WANT WORLD DOMINATION

I second this notion


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 20:50:42
My comment was less than entirely serious....

Well obviously, but it got me thinking what the limit of my ambition for our club would be.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Samdy Gray on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 20:52:51
Just read this, probably bull but could be interesting: -

Al Waleed is currently involved in an ongoing dialogue with the directors of Swindon Town Football Club, England. Al Waleed was introduced to the football club by former UN Diplomat, Sir William Patey, who has been handed the task of selling the football club on behalf of major shareholder and Betfair founder, Andrew Black. Al Waleed's son is said to be very keen on English football and it is thought should the due dilligence be completed, he will have an active role in running the club.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Waleed_bin_Talal


Everything on wikipedia is 100% accurate.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Benzel on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 20:58:11
I WANT WORLD DOMINATION

And I want everyone to despise us for it.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: fatbasher on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 20:59:43
Seriously, just think of the stunned silence from up the A420 if that came to pass. Mind you you could say that about the rest of the football world.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 21:02:23
And I'd still be the only one boycotting games. The rest of you will applaud less once they've cut your hands off.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Barry Scott on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 21:07:58
I'd rather new investors invest in new facilities and infrastructure as opposed to signings. I think we need someone who is prepared to help progress us but in a slower manner as opposed to going gun ho and spending big in the hope for instant promotions. Get a new stadium sorted, get a scouting network and proper youth system going. Get the club's rep back into this Town's good books rather than seeing people comment saying "Swindon are rubbish" or "Why on earth do you support Swindon they're a joke" etc.

I still feel that the last point exists widely amongst local residents here although less so since the current board took over.

It'll be a longer project and would probably mean less excitement on the pitch for a sustained period but it's what happens once the target is achieved. Swansea and Reading only began their rise once they moved to their new homes.

I raised a point a long time ago, and stated that (I'm trying not to be negative here) Swindon has become rather run down - to put in kindly. I know I like to hate the council, so I'll refrain here, but the town has deteriorated and deteriorated. The centre is a shell of a shit hole and it's not a nice place, easy place, or pleasant place to go.

As a result of this there's little to no civic pride in Swindon. Sure, most of us will defend the town, in the face of opposition, but amongst ourselves, most will slate it to high heaven. Reading, amongst others, had decent and effective regeneration, therefore giving the town some level of civic pride and, I believe, that good feeling has had a knock on effect on the football club.

I know there aren't many examples of this, but we do have many reasons to compare ourselves to Reading. And regeneration, to me, is something the club requires to grow it's fanbase and improve the general populace's feeling towards the club.

When talking of clubs, and the local pride in one's surroundings, you only need look to Brighton. Every Brighton resident's favourite subject is Brighton (the place) and they've got more plastics than you can shake a stick at. Although of course, correlation does not imply causation.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 21:12:15
I raised this point a long time ago, and I decided that (I'm trying not to be negative here) Swindon has become rather run down - to put in kindly. I know I like to hate the council, so I'll refrain here, but the town has deteriorated and deteriorated. The centre is a shell of a shit hole and it's not a nice place, easy place, or pleasant place to go.

As a result of this there's little to no civic pride in Swindon. Sure, most of us will defend the town, in the face of opposition, but amongst ourselves, most will slate it to high heaven. Reading, amongst others, had decent and effective regeneration, therefore giving the town some level of civic pride and, I believe that good feeling has had a knock on effect on the football club.

I know there aren't many examples of this, but we do have many reasons to compare ourselves to Reading and regeneration, to me, is something the club requires, to grow it's fanbase.

When talking of clubs, and the local pride in one's surroundings, you only need look to Brighton. Every Brighton resident's favourite subject is Brighton (the place) and they've got more plastics than you can shake a stick at. Although of course, correlation does not imply causation.

I don't think there's a great lack of pride about swindon. I think, generally, the population does quite well at coming together when something major happens - See two 30k trips to wembley and the support that Jahmene got and his welcoming. Even see how something like the Sian Callaghan case brought people from the town together (the mass candle-vigil thing at the polo ground).

So when there's something worth shouting about, the people of swindon are more than ready to jump up and shout about it. The town just lacks anything consistent to shout about (which may have been your point).


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Cibocchi_Is_God on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 21:17:04
The people of Swindon are unified in it's own shitness in a kind of way... We dont think it's shit because it's all we're used to, and anything not shit is put on a pedestal and over celebrated, thus making it a bit shit. I for one like wallowing in my own shit and so love living in and supporting Swindon.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Not that Nice If I'm Honest on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 21:27:59
Just read this, probably bull but could be interesting: -

Al Waleed is currently involved in an ongoing dialogue with the directors of Swindon Town Football Club, England. Al Waleed was introduced to the football club by former UN Diplomat, Sir William Patey, who has been handed the task of selling the football club on behalf of major shareholder and Betfair founder, Andrew Black. Al Waleed's son is said to be very keen on English football and it is thought should the due dilligence be completed, he will have an active role in running the club.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Waleed_bin_Talal


Not a big fan of the Saudi's I must say


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: leftside on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 21:42:56
A city like Brighton has obvious heritage and other 'unique selling points' that makes it appealing to outsiders and a source of interest / pride / vibrancey to locals. Swindon less so. New development is pretty unambitious, and cultural amenities, for example are desperately poor for a town of its size. It could be argued that alongside its railway heritage, Swindon's most notable positive is its professional football league club.

Ideally, I'd like to see club ownership that redevelops the CG, supports the manager with a realistic and competitive budget, and that has an exit strategy that doesn't cause apoplexy amongst the locals (media and fans).


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 22:02:22
I raised a point a long time ago, and stated that (I'm trying not to be negative here) Swindon has become rather run down - to put in kindly. I know I like to hate the council, so I'll refrain here, but the town has deteriorated and deteriorated. The centre is a shell of a shit hole and it's not a nice place, easy place, or pleasant place to go.

As a result of this there's little to no civic pride in Swindon. Sure, most of us will defend the town, in the face of opposition, but amongst ourselves, most will slate it to high heaven. Reading, amongst others, had decent and effective regeneration, therefore giving the town some level of civic pride and, I believe, that good feeling has had a knock on effect on the football club.

I know there aren't many examples of this, but we do have many reasons to compare ourselves to Reading. And regeneration, to me, is something the club requires to grow it's fanbase and improve the general populace's feeling towards the club.

When talking of clubs, and the local pride in one's surroundings, you only need look to Brighton. Every Brighton resident's favourite subject is Brighton (the place) and they've got more plastics than you can shake a stick at. Although of course, correlation does not imply causation.

If I was gay, and not already married (etc etc) I could marry you.  Agree with every word of that.  Swindon - but particularly its centre - could be so much better than it is at the moment.  So much of the town's life has been shunted out to the outskirts - but the Club is still there in the middle.  Any local politician with any imagination will realise that STFC could be a catalyst for rescuing the town centre from its malaise.  We have to sort our own problems out first, however.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: red sheldon on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 22:44:44
I'd rather new investors invest in new facilities and infrastructure as opposed to signings. I think we need someone who is prepared to help progress us but in a slower manner as opposed to going gun ho and spending big in the hope for instant promotions. Get a new stadium sorted, get a scouting network and proper youth system going. Get the club's rep back into this Town's good books rather than seeing people comment saying "Swindon are rubbish" or "Why on earth do you support Swindon they're a joke" etc.

I still feel that the last point exists widely amongst local residents here although less so since the current board took over.

It'll be a longer project and would probably mean less excitement on the pitch for a sustained period but it's what happens once the target is achieved. Swansea and Reading only began their rise once they moved to their new homes.

Agree completely, I don't understand why Black and Fitton didn't progress the stadium further in their 4 years(?) I know there was the relegation, but attendances have been good, and they have banged on about making the ground increase revenue for the club.  Buying one player will be great for a couple of years getting a greatly improved Town End with boxes, will last for ever, and it will have to last that long 


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Stegenfreud on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 22:50:54
I raised a point a long time ago, and stated that (I'm trying not to be negative here) Swindon has become rather run down - to put in kindly. I know I like to hate the council, so I'll refrain here, but the town has deteriorated and deteriorated. The centre is a shell of a shit hole and it's not a nice place, easy place, or pleasant place to go.

As a result of this there's little to no civic pride in Swindon. Sure, most of us will defend the town, in the face of opposition, but amongst ourselves, most will slate it to high heaven. Reading, amongst others, had decent and effective regeneration, therefore giving the town some level of civic pride and, I believe, that good feeling has had a knock on effect on the football club.

I know there aren't many examples of this, but we do have many reasons to compare ourselves to Reading. And regeneration, to me, is something the club requires to grow it's fanbase and improve the general populace's feeling towards the club.

When talking of clubs, and the local pride in one's surroundings, you only need look to Brighton. Every Brighton resident's favourite subject is Brighton (the place) and they've got more plastics than you can shake a stick at. Although of course, correlation does not imply causation.

Great post.

I think a redeveloped CG would go along way in starting to achieve greater civic pride in swindon, hopefully you would see the town centre and other areas fall in line too. Now just for someone willing to fund it...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: lambourn red on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 22:51:58
Everything on wikipedia is 100% accurate.

Are man certainly knows him therefore it must be true  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

[url width=380 height=253]http://www.mideast-times.com/photos/big/xxxba.JPG[/url]


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 22, 2013, 23:13:34
Agree completely, I don't understand why Black and Fitton didn't progress the stadium further in their 4 years(?) I know there was the relegation, but attendances have been good, and they have banged on about making the ground increase revenue for the club.  Buying one player will be great for a couple of years getting a greatly improved Town End with boxes, will last for ever, and it will have to last that long 

There are so many positive to support the development of the stadium and the potential for commercially successful uses that i think it does represent a great opportunity. I don't know Swindon that well these days but a site for a decent hotel, grade A offices etc in the town centre seems a good opportunity for the club to get that 365 day revenue stream that all clubs need to prosper.

However from a development point of view it really isnt an easy site for a number of reasons. A key one is the tenure, the club are still only tenants and no lender etc is likley to even look at a development of that scale without the club having a decent lease period (probably 75 years +), I imagine that the owners have had to spend substantial time getting the landlord to accept they are legit (through no fault of their own, just becauise of the previous owners!) hopefully if a decent lease can now be negotiated that should move things forward.

The other thing to bear in mind is that their ownership has coincided with the downturn, the property and development market is still fairly stagnant and very up and down month on month, funding is still scarce and whilst our owners are very wealthy people they would not fund this on their own so they need bank funding.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 01:09:08
I'd like a club firstly, then I'd want it to be soundly run, who are competing in whatever league they're in (hopefully the championship next season), no administration or threat of and a nice new Town End, with a bit of money going towards improving the squad...not too much to ask is it?!  :D (if there is anything I've missed please point out/add/delete)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 03:27:41
I'd like a club firstly, then I'd want it to be soundly run, who are competing in whatever league they're in (hopefully the championship next season), no administration or threat of and a nice new Town End, with a bit of money going towards improving the squad...not too much to ask is it?!  :D (if there is anything I've missed please point out/add/delete)

Id just like this cloud to be sorted out. I work in Oxford and im thinking about havin a week off as i cant handle the scummers at the moment. I just dont think it will be sorted out that quickly. This sort of stuff does not seem to ever go smoothely at STFC. All the positive vibes but still no firm bids or letters of intent make me nervous as if its all just spin, remembering that black has been trying for a while. If these guys were that loaded they would not care about the current debt or cost of buying blacks controlling stake.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: fatbasher on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 07:24:16
Fitton has not ruled out a come back in sort of capacity on the radio this morning.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 07:26:10
Fitton has not ruled out a come back in sort of capacity on the radio this morning.

He'd make a great scout.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: london_red on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 08:07:03
Fitton has not ruled out a come back in sort of capacity on the radio this morning.

Does this mean Curly Withers is retiring?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RWB Robin on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 08:47:00
I think the question of whether the town of Swindon has the potential and/or the will to develop with STFC at its heart is actually quite an important one for a potential investor.  STFC on its own, looking at its history, would not provide a great protfolio of evidence!  One league cup win and one season in the Premier League doesn't strike one with a huge sense of greatness, whatever that history may mean to us supporters!

The town, too, has no great story to latch on to - its railway history is significant, there were some years in the seventies when it looked as though it might 'break out' and even become a city, but that seems to have gone for good.  It is not the county town, it has little heritage (especially in architecture), and the town centre is OK but certainly has nothing in it to get excited about.

So the question is....is there real potential for creative new thinking in the town as a whole.  I know very little about the Council, but would not expect creative thinking to come from there - its a hard enough job to cope with constantly trying to cut budgets at the whim of successive governments.  But there must be entrepreneurial thinking out there, and, with the right new owner(s), STFC could and should be at the heart of that.  There is no rival to Swindon between Reading and Bristol and Southampton and Birmingham/Coventry.  Salisbury, Bath, Oxford are quite different kind of places.  There is an interesting development around the railway station/outlet centre/steam museum for which there are further plans in the offing.  The football ground is certainly within touching distance of that development (for someone with imagination....  We have, without doubt, on-field potential.  I don't know anything about Saudi tycoons (well only a little), but that kind of target would be the only obvious reason for bringing Sir W P on board, but for me it is not unrealistic, and actually quite exciting, to think that this couldbecome a real opportunity for the whole town.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: london_red on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 08:51:41
Great post.

I think a redeveloped CG would go along way in starting to achieve greater civic pride in swindon, hopefully you would see the town centre and other areas fall in line too. Now just for someone willing to fund it...

Agreed. Evidently (as of a couple of years ago at least) 40k Swindon residents leave the town every Saturday to watch sporting events etc elsewhere. It's not just on field success, but a redeveloped CG and making the town centre a more hospitable and pleasant place to be that might help persuade a lot of them to hang around. Good for the club, good for Swindon as a whole.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: red socks on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 08:58:51
Does this mean Curly Withers is retiring?
:clap: bit harsh mind


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Benzel on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 09:28:55
Don't known how I feel about a Fitton return..


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 09:35:07
A Fitton return would be Nottif


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 09:36:11
Andrew Fitton's biggest achievement was the creation of a back office infrastructure following the free-for-all of the Diamandis years.  It was a massive improvement.  We should still be grateful to him for that.  Didn't fare so well when it came to the football side of things (the Malpas appointment; leaving it too long before dispensing with Danny Wilson's services).  As long as the role was the right one, I wouldn't mind seeing him back at the Club at all.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 10:06:47
I think Fittomn should always be welcomed back he was the one that put the original consortium together to oust Wills, Diamandis & co, I expect he still has contacts and seeing how the club has progressed may want another go at it.

He may even be able to convince Black to hold on if he can find someone else to share the financial burden, although I dont think Black will want to give up his whole shareholding though probably want to keep a stake in case there was a way of recouping his money in the future.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bumpkin on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 10:29:18
In Fitton We Trust.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 10:34:43
I would welcome back Fitton and Wray, but Fitton must not be allowed to dabble in team matters but his scouting might come in useful too and he has a good knowledge of football with some "alleged" good connections.

And as for a very rich person coming in and buying us success that would take us to the top....FUCKING BRING IT ON!

I want nothing but the best for my/our club - end of story.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 10:41:43
Andrew Fitton (and his consortium) saved my football club. He will always be welcome back!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 10:55:45
If he had learned from his mistakes then I'd like him back. Wouldn't want him involved in team matters at all though. He is no scout.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 11:00:04
I think we may be getting a bit ahead of ourselves here, AF said the door was always open to a return to SN1, but my take is that he wouldn't have given that interview if he was a serious contender!  Anybody that got rid of big fat greek, Diamandis, is a hero in my eyes!!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 11:07:02
Actually after a bit of thought, I don't think fitton returning is a good idea. Move on not back.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 11:10:47
Fitton and his consortium saved our club, and I'll always be very thankful for that. I'd be interested in him returning, allbeit away from the footballing side.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bumpkin on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 11:18:45
Andrew Fitton commitment to Swindon Town should never ever be forgotten.
His management of the club may not have grabbed headlines and he rightly refused to spend big on an emotional rollercoaster of promotion and relegation.
He was never held to ransom, rightly or wrongly.
AF is/was/will be more important to STFC than PDC.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 12:34:31
I'd have a Fitton backed consortium here in a blink of an eye. We would spend less, be less 'ambitious', but we'd be professional, as become sustainable.

I'm sure he has learnt from the Greer/Wilson things too.

He may not get everything right, but I'd be confident he wouldn't shaft the club on purpose!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 12:36:52
I'd have a Fitton backed consortium here in a blink of an eye. We would spend less, be less 'ambitious', but we'd be professional, as become sustainable.

I'm sure he has learnt from the Greer/Wilson things too.

He may not get everything right, but I'd be confident he wouldn't shaft the club on purpose!
Spot on.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 12:40:38
I'd have a Fitton backed consortium here in a blink of an eye. We would spend less, be less 'ambitious', but we'd be professional, as become sustainable.

I'm sure he has learnt from the Greer/Wilson things too.

He may not get everything right, but I'd be confident he wouldn't shaft the club on purpose!

This.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 12:42:42
Fitton was right for the club 5 years ago but not now. For a start he wouldnt get on with Di Canio and not least his agent. He interered too much in football snd first team affairs for my liking. His choice of managers was poor as well bar Wilson. Is he really the right man to drive the club forward with a redeveloped CG and PDC? No. Will he offer financial  sustainability? Quite possibly. For me its a no but i do have a lot of time and respect for him after his time here.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 12:46:01
Be careful what you wish for. Nothing wrong with Fitton as a frontman, but given that he'll never be the majority shareholder, his involvement will always be dependent on who's behind him. He'll need to find friends who are in it for the long-haul next time round.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 12:50:33
Fitton was right for the club 5 years ago but not now. For a start he wouldnt get on with Di Canio and not least his agent. He interered too much in football snd first team affairs for my liking. His choice of managers was poor as well bar Wilson. Is he really the right man to drive the club forward with a redeveloped CG and PDC? No. Will he offer financial  sustainability? Quite possibly. For me its a no but i do have a lot of time and respect for him after his time here.
  :nod:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: DRS on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 12:53:10
Fitton was right for the club 5 years ago but not now. For a start he wouldnt get on with Di Canio and not least his agent. He interered too much in football snd first team affairs for my liking. His choice of managers was poor as well bar Wilson. Is he really the right man to drive the club forward with a redeveloped CG and PDC? No. Will he offer financial  sustainability? Quite possibly. For me its a no but i do have a lot of time and respect for him after his time here.
Great post.Do you come here often


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Barry Scott on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 13:08:43
Spot on.

Agreed.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bumpkin on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 13:16:33
I'd have a Fitton backed consortium here in a blink of an eye. We would spend less, be less 'ambitious', but we'd be professional, as become sustainable.

I'm sure he has learnt from the Greer/Wilson things too.

He may not get everything right, but I'd be confident he wouldn't shaft the club on purpose!

Yes.  If AF comes back with a few more rich friends then great.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 13:28:07
Better the devil you know.....

If I had to choose between AF and some complete unknown then there's no contest. (Provided he has the financial backing of course). It's all very hypothetical anyway. He hasn't said he is coming back. He just answered the question on whether or not he would come back by refusing to rule it out.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: lambourn red on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 13:43:39
Interesting reading his article on the BBC about the disagreement in the board room of how to take the club forward which resulted in him leaving. I think you can safely say we would not have had PDC or some of the players we have now if AF was in charge , the big question is would AB have left anyway which I suspect is yes .


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 13:49:33
It's a real shame we didn't go up to the Championship that year because I honestly think we'd have kicked on so much by now and I wouldn't mind betting that the redevelopment would have broken ground by now. Oh well.

I still think we need a Fitton style character here to make progress off the pitch and behind the scenes. We need to be the club which punches above its weight, otherwise we'll be having these same discussions in 5 years and 10 years time.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 14:00:58
It's quiet on the bidders front today. No news, good news or bad news?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: DRS on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 14:07:06
It's quiet on the bidders front today. No news, good news or bad news?
No news is usually good news


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 14:16:00
It's quiet on the bidders front today. No news, good news or bad news?

No news is no news.

Personally even if we had a buyer fully committed I'd expect this to take at the minimum weeks if not months.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 14:17:47
It's quiet on the bidders front today. No news, good news or bad news?
it's all over.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 14:36:04
No news is no news.

Personally even if we had a buyer fully committed I'd expect this to take at the minimum weeks if not months.

Morshead seems to be under the impression things could come to a head as early as this week.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 14:37:14
Morshead seems to be under the impression things could come to a head as early as this week.

We'll see when a sale goes through. I've been wrong before once or twice :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 15:27:50
Interesting reading his article on the BBC about the disagreement in the board room of how to take the club forward which resulted in him leaving. I think you can safely say we would not have had PDC or some of the players we have now if AF was in charge , the big question is would AB have left anyway which I suspect is yes .

I wonder if Black would have stayed as he would not have been shelling out as much money, but equally as has been said you wonder where the club might be had he stil lbeen chair and what type of manager we would have had.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 15:29:41
Morshead seems to be under the impression things could come to a head as early as this week.

Surely not enough time for the accountants to properly go over the books and for due dilligence to be completed and letters of intent to be agreed - although selling a football club is like buying a house apparently !!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: nevillew on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 15:36:03
It's quiet on the bidders front today. No news, good news or bad news?

You have no idea of how this sort of thing works, do you?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 16:14:03
Surely not enough time for the accountants to properly go over the books and for due dilligence to be completed and letters of intent to be agreed - although selling a football club is like buying a house apparently !!
Unless this has been going on since Patey arrived and been kept secret?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: DRS on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 16:18:19
They can agree a sale now if they want and sign the paperwork as long as it had the correct condititions in ie the debt isnt higher etc.To be fair it is like buying a house in the sense you can have your offer subect to a survey :-)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 16:24:08
You have no idea of how this sort of thing works, do you?

No enlighten me


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 16:29:40
No enlighten me
well, it's an awful lot like buying a house...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 16:31:38
well, it's an awful lot like buying a house...

Ok I've done that enough times


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Saxondale on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 16:36:27
Patey is currently brewing coffee and baking bread whilst Black hides the big holes where they've done a bodge job on the town end under the carpet.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 16:46:16
Patey is currently brewing coffee and baking bread whilst Black hides the big holes where they've done a bodge job on the town end under the carpet.

i think its gone beyond that, the potential purchasers wife is now considering what colour to paint the DRS!

Incidentally don't we have our own Phil Spencer - I can feel a Location, Location, Location special coming on....


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 17:01:33
If I was gay, and not already married (etc etc) I could marry you.  Agree with every word of that.  We have to sort our own problems out first, however.

It's not unheard of for men to leave their wives because they've been repressing their true feelings...does cause a few problems mind for the wife and kids, so yes best to sort them out first.

An ex casual bird of mine of many years ago...met and married a bloke while at uni, had a big house in the Lawns...her problem was the shame it caused when he came out, and fucked off with a bloke, was so bad she moved to O*ford.

I'd have Andrew Fitton back despite him having the worst STFC side in living memory and 2 exits to non-league sides on his CV.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: brocklesby red on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 17:03:35
I'd have a Fitton backed consortium here in a blink of an eye. We would spend less, be less 'ambitious', but we'd be professional, as become sustainable.

I'm sure he has learnt from the Greer/Wilson things too.

He may not get everything right, but I'd be confident he wouldn't shaft the club on purpose!
Have i missed something,under Fittons chairmanship we signed Douglas,Prutton,Sheehan,Rose on high wages and paid huge sums to Hart and McParland by way of redundancy.Not what i call sustainability but i would have him anyday over SWP


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: london_red on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 17:07:17
I'd have Andrew Fitton back despite him having the worst STFC side in living memory and 2 exits to non-league sides on his CV.

Praise don't come much higher than that.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bumpkin on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 17:08:16

I'd have Andrew Fitton back despite him having the worst STFC side in living memory and 2 exits to non-league sides on his CV.

Wasn't Iffy's side that went down even worse?  Or Jimmy Quinn's team?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 17:14:52
Wasn't Iffy's side that went down even worse?  Or Jimmy Quinn's team?

No.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 17:16:48
Hard to tell.  On paper, the Wilson/Hart fuck up side of 2010/11 was one of the 4 or 5 worst in the Club's history for the simple reason that we have only been relegated in to the bottom division a handful of times.  For a Club that has spent a good proportion of its history in the 3rd tier, we have spent surprisingly little time in the 4th (no more than 6 or 7 seasons in total).  When you add in that we finished bottom that season as well, it has to be a contender for one of the worst seasons ever.  (I wasn't around - in STFC terms - in the dark days of the early 1980s though.  Those that were may disagree.)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 17:21:00
No.
Stats prove otherwise with defeat ratio in a season, both 96-97 and 98-99 being worse in the table than the 11-12 season.

1    1901-1902
50 matches played    80%  
 2    1900-1901
50 matches played    60%  
 3    1996-1997
52 matches played    50%  
 4    1955-1956
51 matches played    49%  
 5    1905-1906
54 matches played    48%  
 6    1998-1999
50 matches played    48%  
 7    2010-2011
53 matches played    47%  

But saying that.....the morale of the team and quality of football played was pretty much up there with the worst ever.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 17:26:12
Not to mention we finished bottom, even though one of our relegation rivals was deducted 10 points.


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: tans on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 17:29:39
I should hope so JJ, we won the league in the 11-12 season ;)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 17:30:34
05/06 was awful but we had crap expectations, little money and some of the worst players i've seen at Swindon.

10/11 came off the back of a great campaign and Greer aside we assembled a squad that most of us thought would challenge again. then it went from bad to worse...

the parallels between the seasons are quite interesting though; sold and failed to replace a key player before the season and then sold our top scorer in january. not sure who the worst replacement was though - Benyon or Benjamin.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 17:37:44


10/11 came off the back of a great campaign and Greer aside we assembled a squad that most of us thought would challenge again. then it went from bad to worse...


That was the most depressing thing about the whole season, we assembled a team that looked fantastic on paper, but was shit on grass!

I was actually really positive at the start of that season, I will never learn.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 17:39:15
We should've played on paper.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 17:54:28
I should hope so JJ, we won the league in the 11-12 season ;)
:oops:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 17:56:02
Things moving quickly apparently.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: dphunt88 on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 17:58:38
the parallels between the seasons are quite interesting though; sold and failed to replace a key player before the season and then sold our top scorer in january. not sure who the worst replacement was though - Benyon or Benjamin.

Fallon's replacement was Lee Peacock from Bristol City. They actually played one game together before Fallon was sold - and we won 4-2 with both of 'em scoring i believe!

http://swindon-town-fc.co.uk/MatchCentre.asp?MatchID=20060128


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 18:04:29
Things moving quickly apparently.

Sauce?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 18:06:16
Sauce?

Morshead on twitter. There'll be more in tomorrow's adver.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 18:10:23
Dazinblack ‏@Dazinblack
@SamMorshead_SA how come no news on possible return of Andrew Fitton? I think it's a bad move rumours are he bought Pericard not Wilson

23m Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA
@Dazinblack You can read that stuff elsewhere. Things moving fast.

22m Dazinblack ‏@Dazinblack
@SamMorshead_SA some solid news about new owners perhaps?????

21m Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA
@Dazinblack Check tomorrow's paper. Believe me, this ownership saga has become my life.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 18:13:22
Ask him whether it is 'good' news or 'bad' news.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 18:13:40
The way they are snapping up distressed businesses (I wont use the A word), it will probably be Hilco buying the town. HMV earlier in the week, now Jessops.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 18:16:25
Great to see things are moving quickly. As long as we get the right owners it can only be a good thing for the club.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 18:21:20
Are we all going with the 'I won't believe it until there is a picture with a scarf above the head of [new owner/investors] on the pitch' ??  :sherlock:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: leefer on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 18:21:58
Ask him whether it is 'good' news or 'bad' news.

Good or bad is all the same to him...as long as its news.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: thedarkprince on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 18:23:09
Are we all going with the 'I won't believe it until there is a picture with a scarf above the head of [new owner/investors] on the pitch' ??  :sherlock:

Absolutely, why change it now?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 18:26:17
Are we all going with the 'I won't believe it until there is a picture with a scarf above the head of [new owner/investors] on the pitch' ??  :sherlock:

Or, new chairman and FD paraded on Sky before we play Yeovil. We've been through that one before...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: newmarket red on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 18:31:09
I hope there rich enough for paolo?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: corner on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 18:39:56
I hope there rich enough for paolo?
Summed it up for me.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 18:53:20
I doubt any new owner will have enough money for Paolo, he's like a kid in a sweet shop when it comes to signing players - including spitting out all the ones he doesn't like after 5 seconds.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 19:03:11
I think PDC is slowly learning that he needs to make do a lot more with some of his players.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: herthab on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 19:03:19
I doubt any new owner will have enough money for Paolo, he's like a kid in a sweet shop when it comes to signing players - including spitting out all the ones he doesn't like after 5 seconds.
Disagree. He made a lot of mistakes last season, which he seems to have learnt from.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Coca Fola on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 19:07:17
Disagree. He made a lot of mistakes last season, which he seems to have learnt from.
This. He's more careful now.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 19:09:48
I doubt any new owner will have enough money for Paolo, he's like a kid in a sweet shop when it comes to signing players - including spitting out all the ones he doesn't like after 5 seconds.

Meow


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 19:12:43
Are we all going with the 'I won't believe it until there is a picture with a scarf above the head of [new owner/investors] on the pitch' ??  :sherlock:

No... we've seen "new owners" on the pitch with a scarf above the head, who've turned out not to be new owners. The acid test should be when they call a public meeting and Gazzza gets to lurch drunkenly, to shake some hands and slap some backs.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Not that Nice If I'm Honest on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 19:16:16
I hope there rich enough for Paolo?

Paolo, it's Paolo


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Dozno9 on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 19:20:04
[url width=88 height=229]http://i49.tinypic.com/rsbr04.png[/url]

May I introduce Al Waleed bin Talal


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 19:21:46
Any relation to Dusty Bin from 3-2-1 fame?

or perhaps that fella who used to go to Town games dressed with Arab headgear


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 19:33:48
Disagree. He made a lot of mistakes last season, which he seems to have learnt from.

He's definitely improved, but that's not difficult given last seasons transfer target selection policy which was akin to throwing darts at a dartboard blindfolded. I think it will always be a case of just one more player with him, which isn't a bad thing provided he can show a bit more appreciation of the financial aspects and accepts there isn't a bottomless pit of money.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 19:36:47
No... we've seen "new owners" on the pitch with a scarf above the head, who've turned out not to be new owners. The acid test should be when they call a public meeting and Gazzza gets to lurch drunkenly, to shake some hands and slap some backs.

When I saw this photo in a piece from The Washbag (http://thewashbag.com/2012/11/07/hall-of-shame-20/) a while back, it actually made me quite angry.

[url width=166 height=206]http://fraserdigbyswashbag.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/best-holdings-2-jim-little.png?w=610[/url]


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Not that Nice If I'm Honest on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 19:37:42
Any relation to Dusty Bin from 3-2-1 fame?

or perhaps that fella who used to go to Town games dressed with Arab headgear

The ageing ex-skinhead from the CGH ?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 19:46:40
I actually thought the sales of houses took a lot longer than this?


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 19:51:26
That picture scares the sh*t out of me and just acts as a reminder of how important it is to have owners who understand football, or at least put someone in place on a day to day basis who does.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 19:52:39
When I saw this photo in a piece from The Washbag (http://thewashbag.com/2012/11/07/hall-of-shame-20/) a while back, it actually made me quite angry.

[url width=166 height=206]http://fraserdigbyswashbag.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/best-holdings-2-jim-little.png?w=610[/url]
That was a surreal time.


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 19:57:32
Also with regard to fitton im not sure im keen on that. He was very frugal and kept a tight ship but didnt he sell Paynter and Austin to balanace the books and that the loss in goals the folowing season hurt us badly. This is slighly before I started being an avid supporter so I do stand to be corrected and happy to be so if im wrong.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Stegenfreud on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 20:05:07
Also with regard to fitton im not sure im keen on that. He was very frugal and kept a tight ship but didnt he sell Paynter and Austin to balanace the books and that the loss in goals the folowing season hurt us badly. This is slighly before I started being an avid supporter so I do stand to be corrected and happy to be so if im wrong.

In fairness to AF both Austin and Paynter wanted to leave... Paynter turned down a new contract and Austin put in a transfer request to push through a move


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: fatbasher on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 20:07:07
In fairness to AF both Austin and Paynter wanted to leave... Paynter turned down a new contract and Austin put in a transfer request to push through a move
Before he was lynched....


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheDukeOfBanbury on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 20:08:02
Any relation to Dusty Bin from 3-2-1 fame?

or perhaps that fella who used to go to Town games dressed with Arab headgear

:) - I remember him. He got a banning order for something if I recall.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 20:15:12
In fairness to AF both Austin and Paynter wanted to leave... Paynter turned down a new contract and Austin put in a transfer request to push through a move

ok nice 1 i stand corrected. I not sure on his vision being frugal. Yes we have to be sustainable but then you also have to make an investment, a speculation to jump to the next level. The scummers and wilder are always harping on about that they are doing it the right way a more slowly slowly approach but I dont see them being promoted in the next 100 years. Lets get to the championship and then be sustainable from there within reason of course.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 20:24:28
I'd welcome Fitton back and roll out the red carpet for him. I can remember just what a fucking basket case we were and he was fucking mental to take it on. If he was fronting a consortium, I'd trust them. In my opinion, I owe him for saving my club. A good businessman learns from his mistakes and he made some but they were genuine mistakes.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 20:29:29
ok nice 1 i stand corrected. I not sure on his vision being frugal. Yes we have to be sustainable but then you also have to make an investment, a speculation to jump to the next level. The scummers and wilder are always harping on about that they are doing it the right way a more slowly slowly approach but I dont see them being promoted in the next 100 years. Lets get to the championship and then be sustainable from there within reason of course.

Devil's advocate here: their form recently has been promotion form.  If they sustain it, they will make the play offs at least.  But would you swap their situation for ours (even at this uncertain time)?  Not in a million years.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 20:30:23
I can remember just what a fucking basket case we were and he was fucking mental to take it on. If he was fronting a consortium, I'd trust them. In my opinion, I owe him for saving my club. A good businessman learns from his mistakes and he made some but they were genuine mistakes.

Id agree with that. Whats comments with regards to fitton and him being a good scout.

Just been tweeted that three parties are at adavanced stages in taking owenership.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 20:32:30
"An initial agreement could be reached by the end of next week, the Advertiser understands #stfc"


Exciting tweet alert.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 20:33:10
Just been tweeted that three parties are at advanced stages in taking ownership.

If these reports have substance, this does all seem to be happening much more quickly than most would have imagined possible.  Perhaps things were taking place behind the scenes well before Andrew Black made his announcement.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 20:34:50
wait, buying a house isn't this quick is it?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 20:35:09
Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA
The Advertiser understands three parties are in advanced talks regarding the possibility of taking the ownership of #stfc

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Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA
One party, believed to be a domestic consortium, is ahead in their discussions, the Adver understands

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Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA
An initial agreement could be reached by the end of next week, the Advertiser understands #stfc

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Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA
No word on identities and that is probably best right now as the issue remains hugely important and highly sensitive. #stfc

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Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 20:36:17
wait, buying a house isn't this quick is it?

I think you might be right


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 20:39:02
Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA
The Advertiser understands three parties are in advanced talks regarding the possibility of taking the ownership of #stfc

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Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA
One party, believed to be a domestic consortium, is ahead in their discussions, the Adver understands

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Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA
An initial agreement could be reached by the end of next week, the Advertiser understands #stfc

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Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA
No word on identities and that is probably best right now as the issue remains hugely important and highly sensitive. #stfc

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This stuff is about as realistic as if it was written by Dosser....


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: nochee on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 20:39:35
wait, buying a house isn't this quick is it?
It is if you've got a suitcase full of cash


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 20:40:28
7...
6...
5...
4..
3.......


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 20:40:48
This stuff is about as realistic as if it was written by Dosser....

Reg.

With the greatest of respect, please feel free to fuck off at your earliest convenience.

Cheers


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 20:43:58
Reg.

With the greatest of respect, please feel free to fuck off at your earliest convenience.

Cheers

OK mate you believe the scribblings of a cub Adver reporter if you want...personally I'll wait for something more concrete.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: DRS on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 20:55:38
OK mate you believe the scribblings of a cub Adver reporter if you want...personally I'll wait for something more concrete.
Fuck me Reg you are all doom lately


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 20:59:53
[url width=350 height=206]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bAxCETz4Hb8/Tpsko5qrtKI/AAAAAAAAAes/UWlgS2yuiOY/s1600/054314450_were_doomed_answer_5_xlarge.jpg[/url]


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 21:02:20
Fuck me Reg you are all doom lately

Lately?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 21:03:44
[url width=350 height=206]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-bAxCETz4Hb8/Tpsko5qrtKI/AAAAAAAAAes/UWlgS2yuiOY/s1600/054314450_were_doomed_answer_5_xlarge.jpg[/url]
amateur

[url width=400 height=225]http://i.imgur.com/dXeEyaY.gif[/url]


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 21:06:32
 No, still not convinced that Morshead's witterings, are an inside line to our decision makers. He might like you to think that the case...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Barry Scott on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 21:07:38
If these reports have substance, this does all seem to be happening much more quickly than most would have imagined possible.  Perhaps things were taking place behind the scenes well before Andrew Black made his announcement.

Also, don't forget the only previous change of ownership, at least that I've ever experienced, involved a greedy board with a director who was a hateful shady cunt. Between them they had all the business acumen of your average government toff, so it's no wonder that any changing of hands previously was like swimming through molasses.

I'm more hopeful that people who actually live in the real world, might be able to sort their shit a little quicker than a fat greek, a tobacco seller and jockey.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Barry Scott on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 21:12:07
amateur

[url width=400 height=225]http://i.imgur.com/dXeEyaY.gif[/url]

[url width=169 height=168]http://i.imgur.com/DSTiB4K.gif[/url]


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: leefer on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 21:13:14
Every good forum needs a Reg....he feels he has heard it and seen it all before i suspect.

It is ONE of the reasons our crowds remain slightly disappointing in times of goodness.........just because many on this forum may be happy that the club is being sold so quickly,others realise that this has happened many times before and sadly ended up being a complete waste of time.

I will reserve judgement until the facts are made public....but i am glad that it looks to be a quick outcome.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 21:17:02
Also, don't forget the only previous change of ownership, at least that I've ever experienced, involved a greedy board with a director who was a hateful shady cunt. Between them they had all the business acumen of your average government toff, so it's no wonder that any changing of hands previously was like swimming through molasses.

I'm more hopeful that people who actually live in the real world, might be able to sort their shit a little quicker than a fat greek, a tobacco seller and jockey.

Equally I suspect that we also have legible books/accounts these days I suspect in the past it was back of envelope and in mikes head!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 21:18:04
OK mate you believe the scribblings of a cub Adver reporter if you want...personally I'll wait for something more concrete.

Its all we have got to go on at the moment. Sam is in dialogue directly with the club and I beleive he does no more than he has publicly stated but I appreciate what info he has given.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 21:18:20
I don't mean to knock anyone...just a bit of friendly ribbing.  Reg does also have an annoying habit of being right about a lot of stuff (eg predicted our relegation 2 seasons ago way before anyone else), so I'm not dismissing the cautionary noises either.  Fingers crossed.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 21:19:54
You don't have to be an old boy to have experienced the hardships of Swindon Town. The younger fans have endured plenty.

We could win the F.A. Cup and before it's even lifted Reg would bemoan the fact that Europe would stretch our side thus resulting in oblivion. Portsmouth anyone?

Hello Reg :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 21:43:34
Perhaps things were taking place behind the scenes well before Andrew Black made his announcement.

It's very likely. Businesses usually take months to sell, although football clubs seem to be very different.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 21:53:17
Twatter's great isn't it?...

Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA
One party, believed to be a domestic consortium, is ahead in their discussions, the Adver understands
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1h nick webb ‏@stfcnickw
@SamMorshead_SA whats a domestic consortium?
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1h Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA
@stfcnickw ie not foreign

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Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 21:56:23
It's very likely. Businesses usually take months to sell, although football clubs seem to be very different.

Indeed I would imagine that this has been ongoing since the summer when he first tried to sell us.


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 22:06:01
Very handy if, on the basis of heads of terms (if that's what is meant by initial agreement and it actually comes to fruition) someone's prepared to dip into their pocket for Martin and Hollands' extensions.


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 22:24:59
Very handy if, on the basis of heads of terms (if that's what is meant by initial agreement and it actually comes to fruition) someone's prepared to dip into their pocket for Martin and Hollands' extensions.

I Thought there were limits in place an emergency loan players could stay at a club (90 Days). Any longer than that I would be thinking of a permenant approach to be made as the only way round this. When does the Transfer window shut and could we still be active if The sale of the club is concluded soon, guess we will find out soon enough.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 22:34:35
All sounds promising at the moment, fingers crossed!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 23:05:30
Wonder if its gonna be blow your socks off time or meeted with scetism or darn right pesimism. On one hand I want to know more on the other hand I want to it to be kept secret reducing the chances of it going wrong.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bumpkin on Wednesday, January 23, 2013, 23:36:34
Fitton and Reg Smeeton. Now that's a consortium.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 01:35:36
This is my bit of fun at guessing who this Consortium is. The domestic Consortium and the one I believe that has got PDC all excited is Jeremy Wray, Andrew Fitton backed by Edward Wray the co founder of Betfair.

This would Get PDC all excited as he would be working with Jeremy Wray again. The two clearly got on and wray believed in pdc. Black made a comment about maybe it was a mistake to mix business with friends, so there was clearly a spat between the two. Jeremy Wray was removed from his post and did not reisgn, cant imagine this also went down well. Wray declined to sit on the current Board. Wray obviously still feels a big affinity with the club as someone else has mentioned seeing him at most matches. Also wasnt it wray who broke the story of the current board possible considering the administration, again why, surely this was not black as it was not beneficial to him. Patey was then caught on the hop answering questions again suggesting black had not planned for this situation. The club is so close to completing the ambition set out in the three year plan that PDC bought into in only two years. It could be a case of wray not wanting to give up his vision and prove he was right and black was wrong to pull out and remove him from his post. And with Edward also being a very wealth man and wanting to help his brother out. Fitton has also started to be public in his association again once more with the club and started suggesting he would not rule out a return almost touting himself to the new ownersas if he already knows who they are.

Also I have found it hard to believe with all his exposure to the media recently that no body has asked wether Wray was involved in any takeover almost as if the media have not been allowed to or asked not to.

2 + 2 = 5 doesnt it. Its just a bit of fun before people go a bit nutty over it and im waiting for the pic from SonicYouth


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 06:06:09
I don't mean to knock anyone...just a bit of friendly ribbing.  Reg does also have an annoying habit of being right about a lot of stuff (eg predicted our relegation 2 seasons ago way before anyone else), so I'm not dismissing the cautionary noises either.  Fingers crossed.

Reg predicts relegation every season.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 06:16:30
Twatter's great isn't it?...

Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA
One party, believed to be a domestic consortium, is ahead in their discussions, the Adver understands
Expand

1h nick webb ‏@stfcnickw
@SamMorshead_SA whats a domestic consortium?
Expand

1h Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA
@stfcnickw ie not foreign


So it doesn't mean they'll be cleaning the floors and washing the kits?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ronnie21 on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 08:33:07
More news today?  Another board meeting is planned, surely it will take longer than a few days, although we don't know what has been going on behind the scenes since the summer.  Will this mean the end of Sir William?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: DRS on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 08:45:07
More news today?  Another board meeting is planned, surely it will take longer than a few days, although we don't know what has been going on behind the scenes since the summer.  Will this mean the end of Sir William?
I wouldn't kill him off Ronnie


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: london_red on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 08:52:16
Think we just need to be patient - neither Black nor Watkins are stupid, they are clearly doing their best to find an appropriate investor to come in.

It's evident this process has been going on a while - presumably since SWP's arrival - and I think we wouldn't have heard a thing about it if it hadn't been for the ill-advised column from BBC Wilts last week.

Because the process and situation is now in the public domain we as fans want to know everything and crave a resolution as soon as possible. Sure the club don't want a repeat of last week and will release information more sparingly - and choosing their words more carefully - until the end of this takeover/sale or whatever it turns out to be.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 09:12:32
I thought this was Watkins quote interesting

Quote
“Due diligence should take limited time because everything is prepared and the club records are very detailed, but time remains the issue and everything is being done achieve the time lines.”

as it does emphasise some urgency in getting a deal done, rather than pootling along to the end of the season. That's my take anyway


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: welshred on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 09:40:47
Reg predicts relegation every season.

Actually, you're wrong there. He predicted mid table obscurity for the season we got promoted from League 2 under Wise/Sturrock. Still wrong though.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: mrverve on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 10:38:50
Interesting what Little Red said but I can't see Paolo and Fitton working together


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 10:40:47
Actually, you're wrong there. He predicted mid table obscurity for the season we got promoted from League 2 under Wise/Sturrock. Still wrong though.

I wonder what triggered that little wave of optimism.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 11:05:03
Why do I keep reading fitton is a good scout? Utter Tosh. The last thing we want is him meddling with team matters again. 


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: london_red on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 11:09:09
Why do I keep reading fitton is a good scout?

Well he's a sixer with his local troop and he has over 30 activity badges.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: 4D on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 11:10:22
Perhaps he could wash Chubbs car during bob a job week.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 11:11:04
Well he's a sixer with his local troop and he has over 30 activity badges.
chortle


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: luckyluke699 on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 11:11:14
Why do I keep reading fitton is a good scout? Utter Tosh. The last thing we want is him meddling with team matters again. 

A lot of that probably comes from the fact that he's credited with being the driving force behind bringing Charlie to us after noticing him while chairman of Hungerford Town.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Paolo69 on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 11:56:08
I haven't read it anywhere on here. You been torturing yourself by reading thisis comments Arriba?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 12:00:47
Fitton is responsible for bringing Ferry, Caddis, Cuthbert, Austin, Flint(?) and perhaps some others to the club.

He didn't do too shabbily.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: herthab on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 12:06:08
Fitton is responsible for bringing Ferry, Caddis, Cuthbert, Austin, Flint(?) and perhaps some others to the club.

He didn't do too shabbily.
I don't think he scouted them.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 12:07:48
Fitton did a lot of scouting when he was here.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Arriba on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 12:49:37
I haven't read it anywhere on here. You been torturing yourself by reading thisis comments Arriba?
its on here.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Family at War on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 13:36:49
And AF also found us Milan Misun and P.Hart


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: DRS on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 14:52:57
He was also key in getting Pericard and Benyon


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: herthab on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 15:36:16
And AF also found us Milan Misun and P.Hart
Bullshit. Nobody has ever found Misun.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 15:38:09
Bullshit. Nobody has ever found Misun.
There is no Misun, never was, never has been and never will be.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sheepshagger on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 15:51:26
Well this is tenuous - but here we go :)

I just gave blood at the CG and the nurse told me a lot of the "pow wow big directors" - her words  - were all upstairs and had been for a few hours having meetings with regards to the sale......

Thats all I know !!!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 15:56:45
Well this is tenuous - but here we go :)

I just gave blood at the CG and the nurse told me a lot of the "pow wow big directors" - her words  - were all upstairs and had been for a few hours having meetings with regards to the sale......

Thats all I know !!!

I think we all knew that anyway


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ginginho on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 16:01:05
I think we all knew that anyway

I didn't know sheepshagger had given blood, that's new information.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 16:07:08
Come to think of it though....

Pow wow big directors? We're being bought by native Indians?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 16:10:08
They're domestic based native americans.  Someone can surely find out from that.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 16:12:16
I didn't know sheepshagger had given blood, that's new information.
we can also infer from this news that sheepshagger is kind hearted guy.

i think in these dark times we can all take solace in that.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 16:19:56
They're domestic based native americans.  Someone can surely find out from that.

A little internet research and bingo! Our new owners are: http://www.navajoonline.org.uk/ (http://www.navajoonline.org.uk/)

Interesting times ahead. (I wonder what Paolo will say...)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sheepshagger on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 16:20:13
Awwww shucks thanks :-)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: nevillew on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 16:22:34
Come to think of it though....

Pow wow big directors? We're being bought by native Indians?

They won't be Apache on the old lot.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 16:22:55
A little internet research and bingo! Our new owners are: http://www.navajoonline.org.uk/ (http://www.navajoonline.org.uk/)

Interesting times ahead. (I wonder what Paolo will say...)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSh04yd0eM4


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: yeo on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 16:44:37
Wasn't there a bloke who wanted to set up a Red Indian Reservation in Penhill a few years back?

that'll be your man


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 16:56:48
Wasn't there a bloke who wanted to set up a Red Indian Reservation in Penhill a few years back?

that'll be your man

Jeff Starr....unfortunately he'll see no more moons.

He wanted to set up a reservation at Coate Water....obviously SBC would have none of it as it would interfere with their plans to concrete it over.

[url width=300 height=252]http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/resources/images/179905/?type=articleLandscape[/url]

Here is Jeff in Penhill where he lived with his squaw.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Honkytonk on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 17:51:42
Is it normal to give blood at the CG? Does a lorry pull up in the car park or do you do it in Winner's?

CONSPIRACY THEORY TIME!

Maybe there's some doping going on using the blood of fans?

Or Ferry needs it to style his hair?

Or the 'pow wow big directors' are actually vampires?

Or this is part of Darren Ward's 'Paleo lifestyle'?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 18:13:00
In the Winner's (now Legends), been happening for years. Any conspiracy would have to involve a long term employee, and the main candidate left a few years back under a shadow (ironically as he couldn't cast one)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ralphy on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 19:28:47
Careful what you say on a public forum. They might Sioux you.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 19:32:12
Yes, libelling someone on a public forum is a Cherookie mistake.

a little stretched, perhaps.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Notts red on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 19:33:45
Careful what you say on a public forum. They might Sioux you.
How


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 19:34:21
Yes, libelling someone on a public forum is a Cherookie mistake.

a little stretched, perhaps.

i don;t get it


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 19:34:43
How

 ;D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ralphy on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 19:35:56
This explains the signing of Navarro though.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: GoSWINDON on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 19:42:39
apparently they're waiting for a hiawatha


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ralphy on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 19:47:18
My Indian name is Wynano Kotori apparently. Find yours here ...

http://www.blogthings.com/nativeamericannamegenerator/


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 19:49:03
Pannoowau Machakw

Which apparently means: Lying horny toad


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: GoSWINDON on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 19:53:34
Tsiishchili Kosumi

   
 Curly Haired One who Fishes for Salmon with Spear


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 19:58:31
Elan Molimo

I think Im a wonderkid playing for Juve in FM circa 2022 with a name like that.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 19:58:54
Melkedoodum Hohnihhohkaiyohos

Snappy. Fit that into Sloop John B if you can, Town End!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 20:01:15
Mawchau Kaktokoo: Enemy Bird with Big Beak


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Simon Pieman on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 20:02:22
Matchitehew Waquini

Which means 'Evil hearted hook nose'

:D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ScillyRed on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 20:05:49
Chunta Kosumi

Cheating One who fishes for salmon with spear  :(


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 20:13:34
i don;t get it

Cherokee, che-rookie...rookie mistake.

edit: DOH! Forgot to refresh before replying...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Benzel on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 20:17:33
Makkapitew Kosumi

Large Toothed One who Fishes for Salmon with Spear



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 20:25:00
Matchitehew Howahkah

Your name means: Evil Hearted One of the Mysterious Voice


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: lambourn red on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 20:25:13
@SamMorshead_SA: Of the two foreign parties interested, the Adver understands one is European and already has a vested interest in a club on the continent.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: lambourn red on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 20:25:53
@SamMorshead_SA: The Advertiser understands a fourth party in advanced talks re takeover at #stfc. One domestic consortium still believed to be leading way.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Simon Pieman on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 20:26:54
@SamMorshead_SA: Of the two foreign parties interested, the Adver understands one is European and already has a vested interest in a club on the continent.

BEST holdings :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 20:27:04
Melkedoodum Hohnihhohkaiyohos

Snappy. Fit that into Sloop John B if you can, Town End!
Melkedoodum Hohnihhohkaiyohos
Melkedoodum Hohnihhohkaiyohos
Nemos a cunt in Japan
Melkedoodum Hohnihhohkaiyohos


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 20:32:53
@SamMorshead_SA: The Advertiser understands a fourth party in advanced talks re takeover at #stfc. One domestic consortium still believed to be leading way.

Positive to hear we have so much interest. Still think going into administration is probably our best option though.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Nemo on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 20:37:35
Melkedoodum Hohnihhohkaiyohos
Melkedoodum Hohnihhohkaiyohos
Nemos a cunt in Japan
Melkedoodum Hohnihhohkaiyohos

Good try, but inaccurate as of two days ago as I'm back. Just in time for three away games on the bounce, it seems.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: nochee on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 20:38:57
Melkedoodum Hohnihhohkaiyohos
Melkedoodum Hohnihhohkaiyohos
Nemos a cunt in Japan
Melkedoodum Hohnihhohkaiyohos
Why have I read that with a Scottish accent in my head?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 20:39:29
Good try, but inaccurate as of two days ago as I'm back. Just in time for three away games on the bounce, it seems.
I'm glad it went with the tune though.....and its 4 away games on the bounce.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 20:40:13
Why have I read that with a Scottish accent in my head?
Fuck knows, are you pissed?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: fatbasher on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 20:40:57
Just seen PDC on Sky Sports news, sadly I caught the last 20 seconds. Anyone enlighten me as to what he said?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: nochee on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 20:44:19
Fuck knows, are you pissed?
I may of had a wee peev  ;)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 20:46:09
@SamMorshead_SA: Of the two foreign parties interested, the Adver understands one is European and already has a vested interest in a club on the continent.

Watford model then....


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 20:47:40
Watford model then....

At first I was sceptical about Watford but they have surprised me a bit this season.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 20:58:12
Just seen PDC on Sky Sports news, sadly I caught the last 20 seconds. Anyone enlighten me as to what he said?

About that stupid Welsh twat that Hazard kicked in the gut.

PdC said he would have probably done the same!!

Good man


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 21:03:42
Just seen PDC on Sky Sports news, sadly I caught the last 20 seconds. Anyone enlighten me as to what he said?

From a lad on twitter has said that he watched pdc on SSN "saying a potential new owner in the next few days"


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: maggers86 on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 21:07:19
Apenimon Chavatangakwunua

means... trustworthy short rainbow!!

wtf?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: lambourn red on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 21:11:05
Watford model then....

Lazio owner maybe ? That would certainly get Paolo excited


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 21:13:19
Melkedoodum Hohnihhohkaiyohos

Snappy. Fit that into Sloop John B if you can, Town End!

You got all that from "Nemo"? I feel cheated (without prospering) ... me heap little Bimsi Enyeto. Or Slippery One Who Walks as a Boar to my friends.

(The real me is Honovi Hevataneo ... Strong Hairy Rope)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 21:41:40
Lazio owner maybe ? That would certainly get Paolo excited

There was a Lazio group of supporters at the last home game that got a mention over the tanoi system, I wonder if a few of them were more than that. Also I wonder if thats why pdc was so keen to get the game on. Would have been a nightmare them making the trip and never seeing us play.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Cibocchi_Is_God on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 21:45:08
There was a Lazio group of supporters at the last home game that got a mention over the tanoi system, I wonder if a few of them were more than that. Also I wonder if thats why pdc was so keen to get the game on. Would have been a nightmare them making the trip and never seeing us play.

OF COURSE! It all makes sense now... 2+2=5 ;D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 22:01:18
Lazio owner maybe ? That would certainly get Paolo excited

Doubt it. He had a big falling out with the current Lazio owner.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Riddick on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 22:33:31
See Hollands is staying with us despite being injured for the rest of his loan? PDC must think there is a good chance he will be able to keep him till the end of the season so the sale of the club can't be too far away. Hope its the right people.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Coca Fola on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 22:56:02
Chunta Adahy - Cheating One Who Lives in The Woods


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 23:12:35
Chunta Adahy - Cheating One Who Lives in The Woods

There's a damn good anagram there somewhere


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Gnasher on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 23:15:19
Matchitehew Mochni - Evil Hearted Talking Bird.

Sounds about right.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Coca Fola on Thursday, January 24, 2013, 23:21:03
There's a damn good anagram there somewhere
Had Ha Ya Cunt


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 25, 2013, 10:02:33
http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/news/headlines/10184602.Fourth_buyer_in_the_mix/

Quote
The Adver has learnt that one of the foreign investors looking at the possibility of buying up a large chunk of majority shareholder Andrew Black’s 98 per cent stake in the club is European and currently has a vested interest in a professional football club on the continent.

However, the party in question is not the front-runner as things stand, as Swindon try to tie up a deal by the end of this month It is understood that the due diligence procedure could leave the Robins with limited time to finalise any agreement before January 31.

Please do not sell to the one that gives the quickest deal, make sure they are the RIGHT new owners please.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, January 25, 2013, 10:05:05
http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/news/headlines/10184602.Fourth_buyer_in_the_mix/

Please do not sell to the one that gives the quickest deal, make sure they are the RIGHT new owners please.

I'm confident that won't happen with the current consortium.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 25, 2013, 10:06:48
I'm confident that won't happen with the current consortium.
I am fairly confident I have to admit but the wording of that and the fact that Black wants out ASAP just put a small concern in there for me.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: @MacPhlea on Friday, January 25, 2013, 10:11:18
Chunta Nahiossi

Cheating One with Three Fingers

hmmmm...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: mrverve on Friday, January 25, 2013, 10:13:01
Lazio owner maybe ? That would certainly get Paolo excited

A couple of years ago whilst Paolo Di Canio was a pundit on Italian tv he had a heated row with Claudio Lotito (Lazio owner). I think it's still on Youtube



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 25, 2013, 10:15:32
Wasn't Paolo Di Canio touting when he joined us that he was very friendly with the Chairman of AC Milan Adriano Galliani?

Yes here it is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzQlpVeUeN4


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: mrverve on Friday, January 25, 2013, 10:18:56
Can't see Burlosconi/Galliani being interested. They're having to do cut backs at Milan.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Friday, January 25, 2013, 10:20:11
It wouldn't be the greatest surprise to find PDC involved in some way.  I'm not saying he is...just that it would not be implausible.  There has not been the slightest hint of discontent or concern from him about the change of ownership.  He's been uncharacteristically quiet, in fact.  Watching this space with interest.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 25, 2013, 10:25:54
Paolo did say that he and Phil Spencer were making some enquiries to friends and aquaintances about them buying the club. Its not difficult to suggest that Paolo would indeed be a part of the negotiations at least.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Nemo on Friday, January 25, 2013, 10:28:00
I realise it's not the same Phil Spencer, but every time I read Paolo's agent's name in relation to all this, I have a vision of Kirsty Alsopp showing prospective buyers around the County Ground

"As you can see, there's real potential to do something special with this place and although the second concourse is a little disappointing, I reckon we can get this significantly under the asking price."


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: london_red on Friday, January 25, 2013, 10:33:31
Paolo did say that he and Phil Spencer were making some enquiries to friends and aquaintances about them buying the club. Its not difficult to suggest that Paolo would indeed be a part of the negotiations at least.

As I understand it Spencer has been quite heavily involved in trying to source new investors. Imagine he has a decent contact book to be fair.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, January 25, 2013, 10:39:10
Paolo did say that he and Phil Spencer were making some enquiries to friends and aquaintances about them buying the club. Its not difficult to suggest that Paolo would indeed be a part of the negotiations at least.

Selling a club is a lot like selling a house. I’m glad we have Phil Spencer on board, I don’t rate that Kirstie Allsopp that much.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, January 25, 2013, 10:44:26
I genuinely know nothing about the background of Phil Spencer at all other than he has been Paolos agent since his Premier League days, is he an agent for any other footballer or managers too? or is Paolo his sole client?

What is his background? Other than moonlighting for property developing TV programmes with a different face and body.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, January 25, 2013, 10:46:30
I genuinely know nothing about the background of Phil Spencer at all other than he has been Paolos agent since his Premier League days, is he an agent for any other footballer or managers too? or is Paolo his sole client?

What is his background? Other than moonlighting for property developing TV programmes with a different face and body.

SPENCER Philip
PMS Sports International Limited
119 High Road
LOUGHTON, ESSEX IG10 4LT   
Tel:+44-208/418 81 23
Mobile:+44-860/626 008
Fax:+44-208/418 81 33

from: http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=eng/footballofficials/agents/peoplekind=pag.html

although according to companies house...

P M S SPORTS INTERNATIONAL LIMITED
HILLCREST HOUSE
85-87 HIGH ROAD
SOUTHWOODFORD
ESSEX
E18 2QP
Company No. 03802523


      

Status: Dissolved 06/04/2004
Date of Incorporation: 08/07/1999

Country of Origin: United Kingdom
Company Type: Private Limited Company
Nature of Business (SIC):
9262 - Other sporting activities
Accounting Reference Date: 31/07
Last Accounts Made Up To: 31/07/2001  (TOTAL EXEMPTION SMALL)
Next Accounts Due:
Last Return Made Up To: 08/07/2002
Next Return Due:
Last Members List: 08/07/2002


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Stegenfreud on Friday, January 25, 2013, 11:01:54
Last season Phil Spencer was the agent of alot of our squad, signing up some our young players too like Nathan Thompson and Mark Scott also brokers all our current transfer deals. Got a nice spanking new Bentley too...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Friday, January 25, 2013, 11:15:23
I realise it's not the same Phil Spencer, but every time I read Paolo's agent's name in relation to all this, I have a vision of Kirsty Alsopp showing prospective buyers around the County Ground

"As you can see, there's real potential to do something special with this place and although the second concourse is a little disappointing, I reckon we can get this significantly under the asking price."

Ha ha me too - and they'd definitely be knocking some walls down!!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, January 25, 2013, 11:29:08
Wasn't Paolo Di Canio touting when he joined us that he was very friendly with the Chairman of AC Milan Adriano Galliani?

Yes here it is...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzQlpVeUeN4

Looking at that video, christ he's aged in two years! Oh, and: Paolo, it's Paolo.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: fatbasher on Friday, January 25, 2013, 14:12:33
It wouldn't be the greatest surprise to find PDC involved in some way.  I'm not saying he is...just that it would not be implausible.  There has not been the slightest hint of discontent or concern from him about the change of ownership.  He's been uncharacteristically quiet, in fact.  Watching this space with interest.

Good point.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Friday, January 25, 2013, 15:32:58
SPENCER Philip
PMS Sports International Limited

PMS? That could lead to some tension...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Friday, January 25, 2013, 15:33:39
It wouldn't be the greatest surprise to find PDC involved in some way.  I'm not saying he is...just that it would not be implausible.  There has not been the slightest hint of discontent or concern from him about the change of ownership.  He's been uncharacteristically quiet, in fact.  Watching this space with interest.

Or the return of Wray with Fitton + new investment...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Friday, January 25, 2013, 15:46:00
Or the return of Wray with Fitton + new investment...

That interview with Fitton suggested they disagreed on how to run the club, Fitton wanted to run it break even whilst Wray wanted to run at a loss and chase promotion. Not sure we'll see them back as a double act.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Power to people on Friday, January 25, 2013, 16:29:41
I have this feeling we will see the return of Wray as part of a new consortium, and Fitton will keep a small shareholding along with Black, and there will be a new major shareholder


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Friday, January 25, 2013, 17:50:30
Can't see either returning to be honest. The new owners will want their own men in. If anything it will probably all change.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Friday, January 25, 2013, 17:56:10
Can't see either returning to be honest. The new owners will want their own men in. If anything it will probably all change.
The suggestion is that they might be (part of) the new owners.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Friday, January 25, 2013, 18:07:29
The suggestion is that they might be (part of) the new owners.

Suggestion from who? People got a bit too excited at Fitton's comments the other day in my opinion. Unless i'm missing something here? I've been out of the loop a bit in the last 24 hours.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Friday, January 25, 2013, 18:14:30
Suggestion from who? People got a bit too excited at Fitton's comments the other day in my opinion. Unless i'm missing something here? I've been out of the loop a bit in the last 24 hours.
Sorry, yes, all I meant was that people on here were suggesting that one or both may return as part of a consortium. And I'm inclined to agree, think both Fitton and Wray have been leaving the door open to being invited back on board, rather than hinting at firm plans, FWIW.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ralphy on Friday, January 25, 2013, 18:15:22
I thought the new owners were red Indians ? I've been doing a rain dance since last night.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Friday, January 25, 2013, 18:20:46
Sorry, yes, all I meant was that people on here were suggesting that one or both may return as part of a consortium. And I'm inclined to agree, think both Fitton and Wray have been leaving the door open to being invited back on board, rather than hinting at firm plans, FWIW.

Fair enough. I don't think we can rule it out. I'm not opposed to them coming back but think they'd need someone who is willing to fund the CG redevelopment with them.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, January 25, 2013, 18:24:05
If somebody looks out for smoke signals over the CG we might get to know what's happening.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Mother Brown on Friday, January 25, 2013, 18:40:30
If somebody looks out for smoke signals over the CG we might get to know what's happening.
Or there could be a new Pope  :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, January 25, 2013, 18:42:37
The pope's at the County Ground? Never thought he'd be into buying a football club.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Friday, January 25, 2013, 18:45:27
Sorry, yes, all I meant was that people on here were suggesting that one or both may return as part of a consortium. And I'm inclined to agree, think both Fitton and Wray have been leaving the door open to being invited back on board, rather than hinting at firm plans, FWIW.

If either were able to put together a new consortium or find a backer they would have done before now and things would have got to the point they have now. Really can't see this happening.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: suttonred on Friday, January 25, 2013, 18:47:10
If either were able to put together a new consortium or find a backer they would have done before now and things would have got to the point they have now. Really can't see this happening.

Maybe they have, that's just an assumption this has only been happening for the last week or two, when it's probably been going on since SWP joined.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: nochee on Friday, January 25, 2013, 18:49:30
Maybe they have, that's just an assumption this has only been happening for the last week or two, when it's probably been going on since SWP joined.
Shits been going on way long before we knew about it


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Friday, January 25, 2013, 18:50:24
I guess the signs could be there. Wray considered taking action against the FLP and Fitton's been vocal this week. I guess both still own a small stake in the club though so it's probably not worth reading too much into it.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Friday, January 25, 2013, 18:54:01
Shits been going on way long before we knew about it

Of course it has, only reason we know about it now is that someone blabbed to the media. Otherwise we'd be none the wiser.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, January 25, 2013, 18:58:30
Of course it has, only reason we know about it now is that someone blabbed to the media. Otherwise we'd be none the wiser.

I wonder if, without the press spreading shit, we would have just woke up on day to find Red Indians were in charge.

We weren't about Wray being replaced until the day it happened.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: tans on Friday, January 25, 2013, 18:59:29
The pope's at the County Ground? Never thought he'd be into buying a football club.

Hes probably willing to invest in the youth setup


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, January 25, 2013, 19:19:36
Hes probably willing to invest in the youth setup

Bet he'd love to nurture their ball control skills


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Friday, January 25, 2013, 19:20:38
Of course it has, only reason we know about it now is that someone blabbed to the media. Otherwise we'd be none the wiser.
Eh? Patey said when he first came in he was brought in to find new investors. And shortly after that that "the dream" was next season to be in the Championship with new owners. And one or other of Black, Wray or Watkins said much the same over the summer - at least that they were looking for new major investors. There's only two things that have especially surprised me about this whole kerfuffle - the first one is how much of a surprise it seems to have been to so many people that the Black was looking to sell; the second is that local media reporting on it has been greeted with such hostility. Often by the same people. Most bizarre.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Friday, January 25, 2013, 19:20:58
Hes probably willing to invest in the Hitler youth setup
Fixed it


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, January 25, 2013, 19:28:22
Fixed it

We're part way there already.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pumbaa on Monday, January 28, 2013, 14:04:40
Not sure where to post this, so fuck it, I'll post it here!

http://www.thewestonmercury.co.uk/sport/football/weston_consider_football_stadium_move_1_1807020

It just leads me to say, come on STFC, lets hear some positive news on all fronts.....


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Weasel on Monday, January 28, 2013, 22:07:28
Adver calling the front runners a 'local' consortium.

Booo. I wanted Russians.


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Frigby Daser on Monday, January 28, 2013, 22:14:48
Ramsbury perhaps?!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: suttonred on Monday, January 28, 2013, 22:41:05
Gotta be Kingswood...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: [email protected] on Monday, January 28, 2013, 23:34:36
Gotta be Kingswood...

Well they could do us a good deal when building a new stand!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: red socks on Monday, January 28, 2013, 23:42:24
Adver calling the front runners a 'local' consortium.

Booo. I wanted Russians.

Can't help feeling the outcome will a bit of an anti climax, but I'll be happy with a sustainable club for the future, just hope thre is enough ambition for backing the current manager and squad for the rest of the season and they can give  a real go at getting into the championship.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Monday, January 28, 2013, 23:45:33
Adver calling the front runners a 'local' consortium.

Booo. I wanted Russians.

Paolo lives in Marlborough


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Monday, January 28, 2013, 23:48:35
Let's hope "local" doesnt include Newbury.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: deltaincline on Monday, January 28, 2013, 23:53:48
Fitton and Wray heading up the new local consortium then.

Not really sure what to make of it to be honest.

Wray would be OK with another rich bloke/s money to spunk around with PDC.

Grateful as I am for the job he did ousting the Greek, the prospect of Fitton coming back scares the shit out of me.

Not sure I can stomach any more of his boorish corporate-speak or prudent (shit) financial mastery, not to mention him strutting his coaching stuff in a nylon tracksuit, like a perennially embarrassing uncle.

Better than a bunch of unknown cunts I suppose.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Cibocchi_Is_God on Monday, January 28, 2013, 23:58:02
Fitton and Wray heading up the new local consortium then.

Not really sure what to make of it to be honest.

Wray would be OK with another rich bloke/s money to spunk around with PDC.

Grateful as I am for the job he did ousting the Greek, the prospect of Fitton coming back scares the shit out of me.

Not sure I can stomach any more of his boorish corporate-speak or prudent (shit) financial mastery, not to mention him strutting his coaching stuff in a nylon tracksuit, like a perennially embarrassing uncle.

Better than a bunch of unknown cunts I suppose.

How'd you know this!?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Stegenfreud on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 00:03:41
Fitton and Wray heading up the new local consortium then.

Not really sure what to make of it to be honest.

Wray would be OK with another rich bloke/s money to spunk around with PDC.

Grateful as I am for the job he did ousting the Greek, the prospect of Fitton coming back scares the shit out of me.

Not sure I can stomach any more of his boorish corporate-speak or prudent (shit) financial mastery, not to mention him strutting his coaching stuff in a nylon tracksuit, like a perennially embarrassing uncle.

Better than a bunch of unknown cunts I suppose.

How dare Fitton (potentially) sink more money in to our club... and as for saving us last time? Bastard


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 00:07:26
Let's hope "local" doesnt include Newbury.

So this, unless Prince Ali Bin Willy or whatever his name is happens to reside in Newbury.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: deltaincline on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 00:25:22
How'd you know this!?

My hairdressers sister is shagging a bloke from a pub in Ramsbury that Fitton and Wray can frequently be found drinking expensive wine in. Just round the corner from PDC's favourite haunt..... :wink:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 06:55:18
You should get a job on the FL Paper with contacts like that!!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: fatbasher on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 06:58:34
That if true would explain why Paolo is so relaxed. It is 50% of his dream team, well JW is. Can he work with Fitton and can Fitton provide cash for the voracious beast that is Paolo?

You'd like to think that if Fitton is making a comeback and I am sure he said in an interview when he "left" never say never WRT returning to SN1, that he knows he'll have to have a more relaxed attitude to finances and agents otherwise Paolo will be off and Spencer trying to keep up in the dust trail. It is also the best way he'll have of getting his cash back......


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Samdy Gray on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 07:28:20
Well they could do us a good deal when building a new stand!


Their speciality was putting brick fascias around old PRC properties. Perhaps Gazzzzzza's idea of building a wall around the stadium finally got legs...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 08:50:21
IF it is Fitton, Wray & Arbib I'm sure this will be in conjunction with others perhaps some property developer also


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ronnie21 on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 09:05:18
Ramsbury perhaps?!
Fitton no longer lives in that area I understand, does Sir Seton still live there??


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: mrverve on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 09:14:42
You would think if Fitton and Wray are part of the consortium then there has to be some sort of money man like there was with Black last time around.

Unless Fitton has changed his approach I really can't see how he and Paolo can work together.

Hope I'm proved wrong though.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 09:14:54
I was suggesting Fitton....


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: nochee on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 09:17:00
You would think if Fitton and Wray are part of the consortium then there has to be some sort of money man like there was with Black last time around.

Unless Fitton has changed his approach I really can't see how he and Paolo can work together.

Hope I'm proved wrong though.
Wray would always get his way over Fitton as he has the stronger right arm. Everyone knows they settle all arguments with an arm wrestle


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 09:22:21
you've just gotta love unfounded speculation.

Personally, I'm delighted to hear they will have Bernie Ecclestone's money behind them.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 09:33:02
you've just gotta love unfounded speculation.

Personally, I'm delighted to hear they will have Bernie Ecclestone's money behind them.

The forum would be boring if there was no speculation.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 10:29:50
Adver calling the front runners a 'local' consortium.

Booo. I wanted Russians.

Кто вы собираетесь звонить? Клуб разрушителей!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 11:04:59
If kingswood are involved surely they will want to lay a brick or two they wont be able to help themselves.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 11:26:54
Just seen the Paolo article about bringing players in depending on if the sale goes through by Thursday...time surely pushing it a bit now?  :sherlock:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Weasel on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 11:29:05
Кто вы собираетесь звонить? Клуб разрушителей!

Ha! Which brings me to my favourite Russian translation:

Businessman = бизнесмен (biznesmen)

Probably better that we aren't being bought by some super-rich, boat-with-a-replica-monaco-track-on-it owning biznesmen.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: london_red on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 11:38:53
Ha! Which brings me to my favourite Russian translation:

Businessman = бизнесмен (biznesmen)

Probably better that we aren't being bought by some super-rich, boat-with-a-replica-monaco-track-on-it owning biznesmen.

Not as good as the Russian for 'Sock' which is 'носок' (pronounced 'no sock')


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Gnasher on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 13:08:31
Кто вы собираетесь звонить? Клуб разрушителей!

Who are you going to call? Club of destroyers!

Should be Кому, btw.  8)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 15:16:02
Quote
Sam Morshead‏@SamMorshead_SA
Unusual lunchtime spent traipsing in a car round the Wiltshire countryside. Almost forgot I have to get to east London for 6.

The net is tightening. Domestic > local > Wiltshire. I hope our guys have found moneyed friends who will stick with them this time...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 15:37:16
It's Sting


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: THE FLASH on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 15:43:12
Guy Ritchie


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 15:47:22
There is no takeover, its a conspiracy.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: REDBUCK on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 15:53:40
Jilly Cooper


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 15:57:24
Madonna lives in wiltshire dosent she


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 16:15:54
Brian Hillier


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 16:23:48
it's Andrew Black buying his own shares from himself


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BenTheRed on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 16:30:24
Surely this has to be Fitton and Wray?
It would be nice to have fitton back on board for his objectivity – there needs to be someone to question PdC when he asks for new players etc..  Fitton won’t allow so many players to have their contracts bought out

Wray back as Chairman please!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 16:33:17
Its the legend of Fittons Gold.

Actually its Jamie Cullum spending his "Universal record deal" millions.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: @MacPhlea on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 16:37:28
It's Robbie Williams... you heard it here first


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Samdy Gray on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 16:38:48
It's Robbie Williams... you heard it here first

With his mate Jonny Wilkes as player manager?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: [email protected] on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 16:54:37
With his mate Jonny Wilkes as player manager?

...and Melinda Messenger becoming the new Kate Cady!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: corner on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 16:56:41
Its the legend of Fittons Gold.

Actually its Jamie Cullum spending his "Universal record deal" millions.
His dads always there in the chairmans suite.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 17:03:19
His dads always there in the chairmans suite.
He himself still visits sometimes, like here with Sophie Dahl his missus.

[url width=420 height=253]http://www.swindonweb.com/uploaded_files/1051/images/jamie_cullum_sophie_dahl_swindon.jpg[/url]


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 17:04:24
What about David Howell?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 17:16:01
What about David Howell?

I did hear he was looking to buy a new club.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: red socks on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 17:16:54
What about David Howell?

It's Gilbert O'sullivan, Billie piper, and Steve wrights sidekick, mark my words.....


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: london_red on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 17:20:13
I did hear he was looking to buy a new club.

 :clap:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: nochee on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 17:29:08
As long as its not Julian clary :gay:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 17:33:24
:clap:

Been waiting a week for someone to feed me a line so I could use it.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:05:54
The man who owns Banbury United is apparently the front man for the consortium. Jed McCrory. Plus a silent investor and maybe others ??

If it doesn't go through there may be more than one player sold before deadline day to see us through to the end of the season.

The next 48 hours are critical.....

Source: BBC Wiltshire just now


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:08:02
 Jed McCrory


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: phelpsieboy on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:10:23
He's a Luton fan, that's all I know


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: phelpsieboy on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:11:39
On a Banbury United thread on a football forum states that Jed McCrory is a bit 'dodgy' allegedly.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Samdy Gray on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:16:03
Hmm, I'll reserve judgement until it's a) confirmed and b) a done deal, but a quick Google leaves me feeling slightly uneasy.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:17:21
A couple of googled threads:

http://www.sports262.com/topic/34891-banbury-utd-takeover-luton-connections/

http://banter.cv31.co.uk/showthread.php?9378-All-Change-At-Banbury/page1

http://www.nonleaguematters.co.uk/forum/gforum.cgi?post=433229;guest=78109245

Again will reserve judgement...



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:18:55
The only part of the deal that makes me feel uneasy is that it was stated that this consortium has been chosen because they will tie up the deal quickest.

As I stated previously.....pick the best buyer not the fastest deal.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: corner on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:19:13
Hmm, I'll reserve judgement until it's a) confirmed and b) a done deal, but a quick Google leaves me feeling slightly uneasy.
Yep.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LucienSanchez on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:20:27
The only part of the deal that makes me feel uneasy is that it was stated that this consortium has been chosen because they will tie up the deal quickest.

As I stated previously.....pick the best buyer not the fastest deal.

That's pretty much how I feel. There is an increased chance of the 'fastest deal' not being a particularly good one.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:21:51
Think we all googled him and read the same things

'I have a bad feeling about this...'


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:23:04
But he cant be dodgy.  He'll have to pass the FA's stringent fit and proper persons test wont he? That always makes sure no dodgy characters are in football.


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Frigby Daser on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:24:17
I feel a little bit like the screen has gone back on Blind Date and I've got the minger. Still, if I do go to Torremelinos with Jed, hopefully he'll have a good personality.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: phelpsieboy on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:25:40
But he cant be dodgy.  He'll have to pass the FA's stringent fit and proper persons test wont he? That always makes sure no dodgy characters are in football.
I present you Munto finance


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: corner on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:25:48
Is he the phil spencer link?..... :sherlock:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:27:53
I present you Munto finance

I was being a tad sarcastic you know.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Weasel on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:36:55
Isn't the Banbury bloke Jed McCoy?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:42:01
Isn't the Banbury bloke Jed McCoy?

Not according to

www.oxfordmail.co.uk/sport/football/headlines/9921029.FOOTBALL__Banbury_chief_McCrory_targets_play_offs/


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: the washbag on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:46:55
Lots of information about Gerard (Jed) McCrory here - https://www.duedil.com/director/914916712/gerard-mccrory

A varied business career...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:48:20
Wasn't it the BBC who set this all running with their piss poor reporting of the whole administration issue, therefore will keep the panic button on ice until more details emerge.

Whilst I know little of Mr Black I have also felt that Messers Wray and Fitton had our interests at heart so fingers crossed!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:49:34
Wasn't it the BBC who set this all running with their piss poor reporting of the whole administration issue, therefore will keep the panic button on ice until more details emerge.

Whilst I know little of Mr Black I have also felt that Messers Wray and Fitton had our interests at heart so fingers crossed!
Spot on.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Mister Lorenzo on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:50:17
Pretty underwhelmed by this news to be honest, but i guess the acid test will be what Di Canio makes of it and whether he stays..


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: newmarket red on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:50:40
 
Lots of information about Gerard (Jed) McCrory here - https://www.duedil.com/director/914916712/gerard-mccrory

A varied business career...
Double glazing anyone? :cry:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: leefer on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:54:42
Maybe we will get some BOGOFF deals on seasons tickets next season....i say you buy one and get one free.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:56:09
I find it interesting that he took over a non league club with no assets to speak off, so obviosuly wasnt looking to cream off the money

I will reserve until I hear who his partners are


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: phelpsieboy on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:56:28
Maybe we will get some BOGOFF deals on seasons tickets next season....i say you buy one and get one free.
Rockin Robin will be replaced with Cannon and Ball


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: red socks on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:56:40
Double glazing anyone? :cry:

Doesn't sound like a person of sufficient gravitas to be the owner/chairman of our club, I hope there is someone else in the consortium a bit less, well,  pikey wide boy is what springs to mind.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:57:14
Underwhelming.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:57:44
Doesn't sound like a person of sufficient gravitas to be the owner/chairman of our club, I hope there is someone else in the consortium a bit less, well,  pikey wide boy is what springs to mind.

Danny Donegan Mk II !!


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: herthab on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:57:59
First impressions, if he is one of the front runners, is less than enthusiastic. But let's wait and see who else is involved. The key phrase is consortium, it all depends on who the backers are...


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:58:20
Having played at and watched football at Banbury Uniteds ground i think its safe to say ground redevelopment and catering wont be top of the agenda....


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:59:08
what was the source for this? i note that Morshead has mentioned BBC but i can't see anything anywhere


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: newmarket red on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:59:36
Doesn't sound like a person of sufficient gravitas to be the owner/chairman of our club, I hope there is someone else in the consortium a bit less, well,  pikey wide boy is what springs to mind.
Some nice bay windows in the arkells would be nice and some french doors in the townend? :pint:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 19:59:51
Underwhelming.

We don't know the consortium he's leading yet.

Must say it is doesn't give a warm and fuzzy feeling to hear him being called 'a bit dodgy'....... But then there seems to be no substance to the claim anywhere.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:00:02
what was the source for this? i note that Morshead has mentioned BBC but i can't see anything anywhere

BBC Radio Wilts. About 45 mins before KO.

SPORT: @BBCWiltshire understands the Banbury United owner Jed McCrory is fronting local consortium hoping to take over #Swindon Town. #stfc


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:01:28
We don't know the consortium he's leading yet.

Must say it is doesn't give a warm and fuzzy feeling to hear him being called 'a bit dodgy'....... But then there seems to be no substance to the claim anywhere.

True. Hopefully the consortium might be packed full of rich legends.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:02:17
Hmm, I'll reserve judgement until it's a) confirmed and b) a done deal, but a quick Google leaves me feeling slightly uneasy.
In a nutshell. Fingers crossed though


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:03:33
BBC Radio Wilts. About 45 mins before KO.

SPORT: @BBCWiltshire understands the Banbury United owner Jed McCrory is fronting local consortium hoping to take over #Swindon Town. #stfc
the same that still can't get their facts right about to whom the money is owed


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: leefer on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:04:30
True. Hopefully the consortium might be packed full of rich legends.

Rich Legends....i feel a letter coming on to Cadbury's for next Christmas's special prezzie for choccy lovers.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:04:36
the same that still can't get their facts right about to whom the money is owed

It has been mentioned that this may not be accurate :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Weasel on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:05:01
Not according to

www.oxfordmail.co.uk/sport/football/headlines/9921029.FOOTBALL__Banbury_chief_McCrory_targets_play_offs/

Who's @JedMcCoy on Twitter then? Seems a bit of a coincidence. Has he typo'd his own name?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:05:24
The other thing to remember is that Fitton was involved in non league football before he became our chairman and with his links in that are perhaps he may know something of this new consortium.

I dont believe that Black et all will sell to just anyone tghough they would have to provide proof of funds and more than likely impress with their plan as Black will be keeping a shareholding, how much remains to be seen


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:06:15
Who's @JedMcCoy on Twitter then? Seems a bit of a coincidence. Has he typo'd his own name?

I don't know, it all a bit confusing.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:06:44
Who's @JedMcCoy on Twitter then? Seems a bit of a coincidence. Has he typo'd his own name?

Wonder if Gary Elkins is still in charge at didcot town as he was in that report.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: china red on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:08:57
Underwhelmed.

After all those years of financial problems and the club nearly going under I really thought we had a board who were in it for the long term


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:10:48
Whoever is taking over is I assume paying a hefty wedge to Black so I would hope they would need a little more than a double glazing salesman?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:11:44
the same that still can't get their facts right about to whom the money is owed
Eh?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:12:39
Whoever is taking over is I assume paying a hefty wedge to Black so I would hope they would need a little more than a double glazing salesman?

Maybe he's using the tried and tested double glazing salesman technique of talking Black into submission.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:13:51
Christ he's not the mad-eyed slaphead off the telly is he?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: leefer on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:14:50
Christ he's not the mad-eyed slaphead off the telly is he?

Yep....i say you buy one you get one free!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:14:57
Wonder if he wants to get in before the end of the transfer window? Maybe Malcolm glazer is also involved? Jimmy Glass?

That's probably enough now.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:15:08
Eh?

"It is thought Swindon have debts totalling about £13m, and the club have considered entering administration in a bid to wipe £9m owed to investors, including Black and Fitton."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21188916



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:15:40
Yep....i say you buy one you get one free!

[url width=320 height=240]http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u339/fil26/BOGOF.jpg[/url]


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: leefer on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:16:36
Wonder if he wants to get in before the end of the transfer window? Maybe Malcolm glazer is also involved? Jimmy Glass?

That's probably enough now.

Our dreams are shattered :-[


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: tans on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:16:53
My banbury supporting mate says he invested a lot of money into banbury for that level. Obviously this is a different level. Apparently he fucked over Luton Town.

Hmmm.

As others have said, i will wait to see who else is involved in the consortium before judginfg.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:17:47
"It is thought Swindon have debts totalling about £13m, and the club have considered entering administration in a bid to wipe £9m owed to investors, including Black and Fitton."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21188916
Riiiiiiggghht. So how's that constitute "not getting their facts right about to whom the money is owed"?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Summerof69 on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:17:49
He's made a cracking start !!!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:18:48
Riiiiiiggghht. So how's that constitute "not getting their facts right about to whom the money is owed"?

There's no need to be obtuse Paul


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:19:53
My banbury supporting mate says he invested a lot of money into banbury for that level. Obviously this is a different level. Apparently he fucked over Luton Town.

Hmmm.

As others have said, i will wait to see who else is involved in the consortium before judginfg.
From what little I can gather from the very small amount of googling that everyone else has done, he was very much a minor player at Luton. So it may not have been him primarily doing any "fucking over". Not that I'd accept that as an excuse for Bob Holt for example


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:21:20
Riiiiiiggghht. So how's that constitute "not getting their facts right about to whom the money is owed"?

Well who is the other £4m owed to?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:21:41
There's no need to be obtuse Paul
Well, it's a completely different accusation. And a bit rich considering sonic was slamming the BBC for supposedly being inaccurate over basic facts. Pot, kettle and all that


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:22:02
Riiiiiiggghht. So how's that constitute "not getting their facts right about to whom the money is owed"?
clearly i've misunderstood, so why not just correct me instead of being obtuse?

i thought that the £13m was owed to Black only and that administration was not being considered at all but came from a response Patey gave that nobody could ever rule that out


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:22:32
Well who is the other £4m owed to?

The same investors.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:23:15
From what little I can gather from the very small amount of googling that everyone else has done, he was very much a minor player at Luton. So it may not have been him primarily doing any "fucking over". Not that I'd accept that as an excuse for Bob Holt for example

From all I can see is the negativity has stemmed from one random Joe on a Banbury forum saying 'he's a bit dodgy'. There is nothing of any substance that I can find.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:25:16
Here we go again, I have no doubt that the BBC have some basis for this but I wish they would get some fact before they release headline grabbing statements.

I do wonder whether their desperation to release the 'exclusive' means they release things when they have half a story when an hour or so checking would make things so more accurate.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:27:17
Well, it's a completely different accusation. And a bit rich considering sonic was slamming the BBC for supposedly being inaccurate over basic facts. Pot, kettle and all that

You're still being obtuse


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:29:00
From all I can see is the negativity has stemmed from one random Joe on a Banbury forum saying 'he's a bit dodgy'. There is nothing of any substance that I can find.
Well, FWIW, and I'm not saying this constitutes being "dodgy" in any way, the fact he's had 22 directorships, half of which are now dissolved, and all of which seem to be of pretty small concerns, was what worried me more than random Banbury-based slurs. And given he's only a front-man it may well be nothing at all to worry about


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:31:25
From all I can see is the negativity has stemmed from one random Joe on a Banbury forum saying 'he's a bit dodgy'. There is nothing of any substance that I can find.
i'm more concerned about this

[url width=717 height=270]http://i.imgur.com/Au3aHRh.png[/url]


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: leefer on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:31:42
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/obtuse

Very strange word is obtuse.

Edit..............22 directorships :eek:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:33:33
clearly i've misunderstood, so why not just correct me instead of being obtuse?
Because I didn't realise you'd misunderstood. I'd assumed you were just jumping on the general "Yah boo sucks any local pressperson who dares say anything less than positive about our sacred club is a witch and must be burned" bandwagon. 7-8 years ago we were crying out for journos with the cajones to go against the party line, I'd rather have journos who are prepared to report stories the club might find inconvenient than not (Even if on this occasion, it would have been much better if they'd checked the story first)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: thepeoplesgame on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:34:27
Well, FWIW, and I'm not saying this constitutes being "dodgy" in any way, the fact he's had 22 directorships, half of which are now dissolved, and all of which seem to be of pretty small concerns, was what worried me more than random Banbury-based slurs. And given he's only a front-man it may well be nothing at all to worry about

Not sure what to make of this statistic either, given 13 still active directorships:

"The total cash in bank at active companies where this person currently holds a position. 125 GBP"


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:36:21
i'm more concerned about this

[url width=717 height=270]http://i.imgur.com/Au3aHRh.png[/url]

Ha ha

You cunt. I spent ages on google looking for something to be worried about until I spotted it.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: red socks on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:36:50
And some people were not happy about the prospects of  Andrew Firton returning, I know it's early days to judge/jump to an opinion but him coming back into the fold right now would be as comforting as sharing some worthers originals with a kindly uncle....


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:40:29
Well, FWIW, and I'm not saying this constitutes being "dodgy" in any way, the fact he's had 22 directorships, half of which are now dissolved, and all of which seem to be of pretty small concerns, was what worried me more than random Banbury-based slurs. And given he's only a front-man it may well be nothing at all to worry about

Depends what line of business he is/was in... If its development for instance that's perfectly understandable.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:40:49
Because I didn't realise you'd misunderstood. I'd assumed you were just jumping on the general "Yah boo sucks any local pressperson who dares say anything less than positive about our sacred club is a witch and must be burned" bandwagon. 7-8 years ago we were crying out for journos with the cajones to go against the party line, I'd rather have journos who are prepared to report stories the club might find inconvenient than not (Even if on this occasion, it would have been much better if they'd checked the story first)
no bandwagon here.

i don't think that Chris Wise handled the administrationgate very well, the story was initially alarming but this was due to a lack of clarification from the club and perhaps he could have kept his cards a little closer to his chest? i think the same may apply here, throwing out a random name isn't helping anyone.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:42:48
no bandwagon here.

i don't think that Chris Wise handled the administrationgate very well, the story was initially alarming but this was due to a lack of clarification from the club and perhaps he could have kept his cards a little closer to his chest? i think the same may apply here, throwing out a random name isn't helping anyone.


I agree totally.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Mother Brown on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:45:53
[url width=320 height=240]http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u339/fil26/BOGOF.jpg[/url]
Used to be one of Burnleys "top boys" if ime not mistaken :hmmm:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: DRS on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:49:30
Just out of interest and i dont know the answer but how many companies has Fitton been director of


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:50:12
i don't think that Chris Wise handled the administrationgate very well, the story was initially alarming but this was due to a lack of clarification from the club and perhaps he could have kept his cards a little closer to his chest?
Completely agree with all that and as I said at the time, he could have saved everyone a lot of bother by checking the story with the club before putting it out. So fair do's he is at fault for that. But there's been a general atmosphere of "Burn the witch" all season, mostly at Sam Morshead, now he's getting a bit of respite due to Chris Wise. I don't think it's especially healthy or conducive to open reporting of the club, personally.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:50:58
Just out of interest and i dont know the answer but how many companies has Fitton been director of
Don't have the number to hand but lots. Hence why I said it may not mean anything. It's more the size/nature of the companies and what happens to them that gives the clue


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 20:51:55
Just out of interest and i dont know the answer but how many companies has Fitton been director of
I am pretty sure it was about 15 last time I heard.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 21:16:20
Had Fitton stayed on after we were relegated, we would of had Paul Hart as full time manager instead of PDC which is a scary thought imo, so I can't say I would be over the moon if Fitton came back, as I would be living in fear of Hart/Malpas part 3 when PDC eventually does go.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 21:18:34
Had Fitton stayed on after we were relegated, we would of had Paul Hart as full time

No


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 21:19:03
Not sure what to make of this statistic either, given 13 still active directorships:

"The total cash in bank at active companies where this person currently holds a position. 125 GBP"

Is that 125 Giga British Pounds? Like kilobytes, megabytes ... gigabytes? Must be enough dosh there for PdC and enough left over for Mr. Black.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bogus Dave on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 21:20:08
Had Fitton stayed on after we were relegated, we would of had Paul Hart as full time manager instead of PDC which is a scary thought imo, so I can't say I would be over the moon if Fitton came back, as I would be living in fear of Hart/Malpas part 3 when PDC eventually does go.

Seeing as Hart left with two games to go that season, with Fitton still In charge, I'd suggest not.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 22:13:05
Seeing as Hart left with two games to go that season, with Fitton still In charge, I'd suggest not.

Think your find that the first thing Wray did when he took over was get rid of Hart, while Fitton had offered him the job full time before he decided to quit.

so I suggest so...

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/8998690.breaking_news__swindon_town_sack_paul_hart/


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 22:15:23
Think your find that the first thing Wray did when he took over was get rid of Hart, while Fitton had offered him the job full time before he decided to quit.

so I suggest so...

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/8998690.breaking_news__swindon_town_sack_paul_hart/
He didn't, he offered to boot him upstairs as DoF, probably in an effort to save on compo. Which Hart declined.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 22:22:17
I thought from the reports that the money men behind the offer were as yet un-named and one at least wanted to be a silent partner.  The name they have is probably just a bone for now, and even if he's the main man for decision making, it sounds similar to the original consortium that took over 5 years ago, with Fitton being the least wealthy of the gang and being in charge of a much lower level football club.  In fact, it's all sounding very similar!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 22:42:40
Is it time to dust off the orange beanie yet?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 22:45:02
As I said earlier on the thread, I'll wait until there is a picture on the pitch with scarves above heads  :sherlock:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: König on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 23:20:16
If Black has been trying to sell since the summer, can we assume that talks with interested parties have been going on for a while? Or that 4+ potential new owners have just come along at once? It all seems very rushed for a process which effectively started in the summer.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 23:38:11
If Black has been trying to sell since the summer, can we assume that talks with interested parties have been going on for a while? Or that 4+ potential new owners have just come along at once? It all seems very rushed for a process which effectively started in the summer.

Who knows what has been/is going on. I'm surprised at the apparent rush on getting the deal done. Not sure how or why we went from 'more funds available in Jan/3 year plan still on' when Patey took over to cut off by Black and seemingly desperate for a quick sale a month or so later.

Or why walk away now rather than in the summer, meaning the saleability of the club would be reduced if this deal falls and players are sold.

But it is what it is. Whatever that is.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Tuesday, January 29, 2013, 23:46:00
Got a bad feeling this "deal" could drag on for a few more weeks yet and we may have to sell a player to fund us for the next month or so. Fingers crossed we don't.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 00:25:38
Dear TEF,

RELAX

Kind regards,

Costanza


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 00:29:58
Dear TEF,

RELAX

Kind regards,

Costanza


For now, I tend to agree


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bumpkin on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 00:35:22
Wait til Thursday.

Costanza says Relax. Did you ever watch Seinfeld??


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bumpkin on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 00:37:31
Wait til Thursday.

Costanza says Relax. Did you ever watch Seinfeld??


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 00:43:21
He didn't, he offered to boot him upstairs as DoF, probably in an effort to save on compo. Which Hart declined.

Hart was on a short term contract until the end of the season, Fitton wanted to send him up stairs to save two weeks wages? Always amusing how things get rewritten over the passage of time, I seem to remember a totally deluded Fitton offering up an outrageous defence of Hart after he had got us relegated, either way had Fitton stayed then Hart and McParland would of stayed on as the management team in one form or another, and that would of not been a good thing.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/s/swindon_town/9467993.stm


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: STFCFORLIFE on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 01:56:40
Look at this article in the Daily Mail today:-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2270370/Paolo-Di-Canio-faces-uncertain-future-Swindon-Town-administrators.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Paolo Di Canio is facing an increasingly uncertain future at Swindon, amid claims the financially stricken League One club will go into administration in the next 24 hours.
A desperate search for new investment to help offset debts of around £13m appears to have failed and left club bosses fearing they may have little alternative but to call in the administrators.
As a consequence, Swindon’s entire first-team squad would be put up for sale, in a move that would leave Di Canio agonising over his next move.

In an emotional outburst at the start of this month, the Swindon manager offered to pay £30,000 of his own money to keep loan players John Bostock, Chris Martin and Danny Hollands.
He will be distraught at the latest developments, with Swindon on the brink after launching a quest for new backers but seemingly drawing a blank.





Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 02:12:59
that is completely ridiculous


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Coca Fola on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 02:49:56
Sam's Morshead's tweets make for pretty grim reading...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 07:07:12
There's some that would continue to believe the daily mail no matter what they say.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: china red on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 07:13:41
I just hope that all the hard work the board have put in over the last five years is not undone because AB wants out asap. 


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 07:17:37
Its not inconceivable we'd go into administration (worst case), though doubt the Mail know shit. Equally selling Ritchie may be enough to avoid it.

Its also not a certainty by any chalk, we may be fine.

Just got to sit tight and let Black and co get on with it.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 07:25:06
 I'm not saying anything...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: london_red on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 07:31:37
I just hope that all the hard work the board have put in over the last five years is not undone because AB wants out asap. 

Unfortunately this is looking more feasible. Shame. Hard to fathom how a guy could be involved in a club for so long and then suddenly be willing to have it be all about the bottom line without regard for the club's future.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: red socks on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 07:38:06
Unfortunately this is looking more feasible. Shame. Hard to fathom how a guy could be involved in a club for so long and then suddenly be willing to have it be all about the bottom line without regard for the club's future.

This is what I find difficult. We are very close to making the club and players much more valuable assets, AB you just need to hang  on for a bit longer its a bit of a gamble (you seem to like others doing a bit of this) stop being such a posh boy fucking pussy.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: london_red on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 07:43:35
This is what I find difficult. We are very close to making the club and players much more valuable assets, AB you just need to hang  on for a bit longer its a bit of a gamble (you seem to like others doing a bit of this) stop being such a posh boy fucking pussy.

Who knows what his motivations are, whether he just wants to cut his losses without pissing another few hundred thousand up the wall next month or has other businesses he desperately needs cash for.

Just hope someone can sort out a deal with him today so he doesn't cut and run to save himself a couple of mill leaving us in the shit.


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: tans on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 07:53:40
One paper says we are going into admin, another says we are signing Bradley Wright Phillips on loan. Got to love the media!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pumbaa on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 07:57:50
One paper says we are going into admin, another says we are signing Bradley Wright Phillips on loan. Got to love the media!

You should be in media. Your shit stirring doesn't help at times ;-)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: lambourn red on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 08:06:23
I just can't work out what putting the club into admin is going to achieve for Black . If what we are being told is true and that the club has no debt to anyone except the investors what is he going to gain by doing this ? It all smacks of a guy who has got a lot of financial issues and needs some cashflow quick it just does not add up. I hope all this posturing is to speed up the process and certainly one player sale could pay the costs for the next few months but surely that is not the answer as we will get less money for say Ritchie if he is offered as the sacrificial lamb


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 08:16:38
This will go right down to the wire. It's gonna be a case of who blinks first black or mccrory. Black will not finance the club beyond January. After that the club is unsustainable and will either have to borrow money or sell players. The end of January co insides with end of the transfer window and thus beyond this the only option will be to borrow money or not to pay the bills. It has also been stated that black is selling a large chunk of his controlling state, not all, this is not because he still wants to be part of it but more so that its easier to sell a controlling stake and also in the hope that later on he will be able to sell the other part at a higher price to try to get more of his money back. McCrory holds all the cards as he knows the seemingly desperation of black to sell and that after January the value of blacks assets will go down unless he changes his mind and funds us beyond. So McCrory will happily let black sweat it out. Also I believe McCrory will happily let this go beyond the transfer window deadline as it also eases pressures on him no introduce money to invest in players that Paolos wants. Obviously I don't know who the consortium is behind McCory and maybe black doesn't either, it could even be wray and Fitton, but on the face of it it does seem like Macclesfield taking over man utd.

On an optimistic note of speculation this could be a blinding bit of business by whoever is behind this consortium. Send someone in who can on the face of it only just afford the club, get the best price accordingly and then reveal the consortium is flippin loaded, oh dear black you could have asked for more but I doubt us swindon fans will be that lucky.

This is one hell of a game of poker!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LucienSanchez on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 08:24:06
Morshead's tweets last night sounded ominous rather than optimistic... getting a little worried.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 08:35:11
Morshead's tweets last night sounded ominous rather than optimistic... getting a little worried.

I think he just expressed one way the situation could pan out. It could could also quite easily go the other way. The truth is Sam don't know and neither do we.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: dporter on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 08:37:55
I'm starting to get a bit fed up of all this speculation and just want something certain to happen now. One minute we have 4 parties interested and the next Black's not going to fund us, nothing's agreed and we're going into administration. This really is the problem with 24 hour news coverage, the internet and crap newspaper reporting (The Daily Mail to name but one!). I think now I'd rather be kept in the dark until a decision's made whichever way it goes.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 08:53:44
This will go right down to the wire. It's gonna be a case of who blinks first black or mccrory. Black will not finance the club beyond January. After that the club is unsustainable and will either have to borrow money or sell players. The end of January co insides with end of the transfer window and thus beyond this the only option will be to borrow money or not to pay the bills. It has also been stated that black is selling a large chunk of his controlling state, not all, this is not because he still wants to be part of it but more so that its easier to sell a controlling stake and also in the hope that later on he will be able to sell the other part at a higher price to try to get more of his money back. McCrory holds all the cards as he knows the seemingly desperation of black to sell and that after January the value of blacks assets will go down unless he changes his mind and funds us beyond. So McCrory will happily let black sweat it out. Also I believe McCrory will happily let this go beyond the transfer window deadline as it also eases pressures on him no introduce money to invest in players that Paolos wants. Obviously I don't know who the consortium is behind McCory and maybe black doesn't either, it could even be wray and Fitton, but on the face of it it does seem like Macclesfield taking over man utd.

On an optimistic note of speculation this could be a blinding bit of business by whoever is behind this consortium. Send someone in who can on the face of it only just afford the club, get the best price accordingly and then reveal the consortium is flippin loaded, oh dear black you could have asked for more but I doubt us swindon fans will be that lucky.

This is one hell of a game of poker!

Once you get an idea in your head it just runs and runs, doesn't it? Talk about jumping the gun.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 08:55:59
Where has it been stated that Black only wants to sell his controlling stake, but leave some money in? Apart from littlered's over active imagination that is.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 09:03:01
Remember when Fitton et al took over? It seemed very on and off as well. I seem to remember the day before the actual takeover happened there were reports that the deal was off, and then the next day it was all done and dusted.

Difficult I know but patience really is key here.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: random_five on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 09:05:29
Remember when Fitton et al took over? It seemed very on and off as well. I seem to remember the day before the actual takeover happened there were reports that the deal was off, and then the next day it was all done and dusted.

Difficult I know but patience really is key here.

Agreed. There is still potential for a postive outcome


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: nochee on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 09:08:47
This will go right down to the wire. It's gonna be a case of who blinks first black or mccrory. Black will not finance the club beyond January. After that the club is unsustainable and will either have to borrow money or sell players. The end of January co insides with end of the transfer window and thus beyond this the only option will be to borrow money or not to pay the bills. It has also been stated that black is selling a large chunk of his controlling state, not all, this is not because he still wants to be part of it but more so that its easier to sell a controlling stake and also in the hope that later on he will be able to sell the other part at a higher price to try to get more of his money back. McCrory holds all the cards as he knows the seemingly desperation of black to sell and that after January the value of blacks assets will go down unless he changes his mind and funds us beyond. So McCrory will happily let black sweat it out. Also I believe McCrory will happily let this go beyond the transfer window deadline as it also eases pressures on him no introduce money to invest in players that Paolos wants. Obviously I don't know who the consortium is behind McCory and maybe black doesn't either, it could even be wray and Fitton, but on the face of it it does seem like Macclesfield taking over man utd.

On an optimistic note of speculation this could be a blinding bit of business by whoever is behind this consortium. Send someone in who can on the face of it only just afford the club, get the best price accordingly and then reveal the consortium is flippin loaded, oh dear black you could have asked for more but I doubt us swindon fans will be that lucky.

This is one hell of a game of poker!
Read this with the ever increasing speed of the crystal maze music going on in the background of your mind, fantastic  :D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 09:14:10
Once you get an idea in your head it just runs and runs, doesn't it? Talk about jumping the gun.

Won't disagree with ya. I don't even think we will know the outcome by Thursday. Would love to be a fly on the board room wall at the moment.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 09:32:13
This is fun.

When these new guys do takeover I think their first action should be to put the club up for sale again.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 09:36:24
I think today will be the day for the takeover to be finalized too, some wierd feeling my waters.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 09:37:40
This is fun.

When these new guys do takeover I think their first action should be to put the club up for sale again.

Noooooooooo


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 09:38:49
I think today will be the day for the takeover to be finalized too, some wierd feeling my waters.

Have you tried cranberry juice..


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 09:41:12
Have you tried cranberry juice..
Yeah it burns like Vic on peeled skin.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: lambourn red on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 09:45:20
Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA
Been told Jed McCrory was at Banbury Utd v Kettering last night. With board & consortium meeting would've thought he'd have been there

Gets even more bizarre by the minute


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 09:47:16
Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA
Been told Jed McCrory was at Banbury Utd v Kettering last night. With board & consortium meeting would've thought he'd have been there

Gets even more bizarre by the minute

Where did this Jed McCrory rumour come from? BBC wasn't it?

I think bearing in mind the BBC think we are in 7th, I think we need to take what they say with a lorry load of salt.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 09:48:11
I believe the Adver/BBC reported that the meetings took place at the CG in the morning/afternoon yesterday so plenty of time to get back to Banbury before their game last night.


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: tans on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 09:49:15
I hope they move the club to banbury if they take over as its only 10 minutes from me :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pumbaa on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 09:49:49
I think today will be the day for the takeover to be finalized too, some wierd feeling my waters.

Another trip up the A358?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pumbaa on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 09:50:48
I hope they move the club to banbury if they take over as its only 10 minutes from me :)

We could be the biggest club in Oxfordshire. Great plan!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 09:51:09
I hope they move the club to banbury if they take over as its only 10 minutes from me :)
I heard that we willbe relocated to a 3 sided ground that will be free of its current incumbants when they are evicted that is much closer to Banbury.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BenTheRed on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 10:17:26
The @talkSPORTDrive twitter account has retweeted the daily fail article and said:

'I  got a load of abuse from #STFC fans recently. Looks like I was right'


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 10:18:58
I have heard a rumour that the takeover hit a snag when the issue of cheese came up, the prospective new owners can not guarentee anything more than a rich danish blue.
Andrew Black is holding out for a slice of Wensleydale and at the very least some grated Cathedral City, if things aren't sorted soon then we could be forced into accepting Dairylea slices. But I must emphasise, that is the last thing the board want to accept and will do everything in their power to avoid it.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: red socks on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 10:33:47
I have heard a rumour that the takeover hit a snag when the issue of cheese came up, the prospective new owners can not guarentee anything more than a rich danish blue.
Andrew Black is holding out for a slice of Wensleydale and at the very least some grated Cathedral City, if things aren't sorted soon then we could be forced into accepting Dairylea slices. But I must emphasise, that is the last thing the board want to accept and will do everything in their power to avoid it.

Whup - there go my sides.......


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BruceChatwin on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 10:33:57
The @talkSPORTDrive twitter account has retweeted the daily fail article and said:

'I  got a load of abuse from #STFC fans recently. Looks like I was right'

Fucking hell. If he thinks he can give it large about being right based on a Daily Mail article then he's even more of a twat than i thought. If we do avoid administration then he deserves some serious abuse for all this.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pumbaa on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 10:36:15
Great. The whole deal hinges on cheap cheese. At least offer some quality biscuits to offset the obvious cheese deficiencies.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ron dodgers on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 10:36:48
It's well known that McRory is lactose intolerant - this cannot go through!!!!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:11:00
http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/news/10194056.Town_takeover_close/

Deal is close now, with McCory.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: mrverve on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:11:57
Morshead and BBC have tweeted that the takeover will be completed shortly.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: leefer on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:12:41
Have you tried cranberry juice..

 :clap:



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:13:18
Good news?  :sherlock: Still awaiting that picture with the scarves on the pitch though!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:15:19
The @talkSPORTDrive twitter account has retweeted the daily fail article and said:

'I  got a load of abuse from #STFC fans recently. Looks like I was right'

Once this takeover happens (looks like it might be soon) we make sure that the abuse that this utter cuntroll originally took, it magnified tenfold.

AND the Daily Mail as well for that matter.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: london_red on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:16:27
Once this takeover happens (looks like it might be soon) we make sure that the abuse that this utter cuntroll originally took, it magnified tenfold.

Indeed, some massively premature smugness going on there.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: WR5 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:17:42
Completely unfounded and wild speculation on my part but Jed McCrory lives in Worcester and I believe is friendly with Cecil Duckworth, the bloke who set up Worcester Heating Systems then sold it to Bosch for a tidy amount. Duckworth owns Worcestrer Rugby Club and has spunked a considerable amount on them.

as I said just me guessing nothing more


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:17:52
Once this takeover happens (looks like it might be soon) we make sure that the abuse that this utter cuntroll originally took, it magnified tenfold.

AND the Daily Mail as well for that matter.

I'm in!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:18:05
This Jed bloke as just taken over at Banbury (Oct 2012), so why would he be interested in stfc? Seems a bit strange.

He's obviously fronting a consortium, but who will take his priority?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:18:52
Good news on the takeover, I just hope that these guys have the finance and business nous to take the club to the next level.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:19:52
oh and at Banbury, that was another consortium takeover.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:22:03
Completely unfounded and wild speculation on my part but Jed McCrory lives in Worcester and I believe is friendly with Cecil Duckworth, the bloke who set up Worcester Heating Systems then sold it to Bosch for a tidy amount. Duckworth owns Worcestrer Rugby Club and has spunked a considerable amount on them.

as I said just me guessing nothing more

Wild speculation, good work!! A mad sports fan so not a bad guess.

http://icbirmingham.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/features/midlandrichlist/page.cfm?objectid=12271528&method=full&siteid=50002


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jimmy_onions on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:22:28
Completely unfounded and wild speculation on my part but Jed McCrory lives in Worcester and I believe is friendly with Cecil Duckworth, the bloke who set up Worcester Heating Systems then sold it to Bosch for a tidy amount. Duckworth owns Worcestrer Rugby Club and has spunked a considerable amount on them.

as I said just me guessing nothing more

What exactly are you sepculating on, a new central heating system for the CG?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: phelpsieboy on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:23:24
One of the guys in his consortium at Banbury is Perry Deakin, who was a big part of the reason Port Vale went up shit creek, obviously he may not even be apart of this consortium but that's just my pessimistic twopenneth on the situation.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: WR5 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:24:48
What exactly are you sepculating on, a new central heating system for the CG?

underpitch heating at the very least



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Notts red on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:25:06
What exactly are you sepculating on, a new central heating system for the CG?
Cecil the Plumber  :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pumbaa on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:25:37
This thread is rapidly turning into a classic.....its got the lot!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jimmy_onions on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:30:54
THis Jed Mccrory owns banbury town right?
Well banbury is a town in Oxon famous for cock horses and crosses etc,
well cross sound like floss which is a dental hy-giene product
Hi Jean
Jean is a ladies name
Henrietta Knight is a lady, who trains horses
She live in Wantage
Wantage is near London
Lots of rich arabs live in London
Arabian Knights
Airline flights
The Mummy II: Tomb of the forgotten emporer
Arseholes
Rissolles
Rizzo from Grease...
Pancake day

Could be onto something, maybe not?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:33:17
Are you Kevin Bacon?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Notts red on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:33:33
THis Jed Mccrory owns banbury town right?
Well banbury is a town in Oxon famous for cock horses and crosses etc,
well cross sound like floss which is a dental hy-giene product
Hi Jean
Jean is a ladies name
Henrietta Knight is a lady, who trains horses
She live in Wantage
Wantage is near London
Lots of rich arabs live in London
Arabian Knights
Airline flights
The Mummy II: Tomb of the forgotten emporer
Arseholes
Rissolles
Rizzo from Grease...
Pancake day

Could be onto something, maybe not?
Don't think it's that straight forward, got to be a twist somewhere along the line  ;)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jimmy_onions on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:33:52
ha....

maybe subconciously that is what I had in my head!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:34:39
One of the guys in his consortium at Banbury is Perry Deakin, who was a big part of the reason Port Vale went up shit creek, obviously he may not even be apart of this consortium but that's just my pessimistic twopenneth on the situation.

http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/Port-Vale-Fan-fury-Deakin-lands-new-job-Oxford/story-15900507-detail/story.html


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: tans on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:39:26
Once this takeover happens (looks like it might be soon) we make sure that the abuse that this utter cuntroll originally took, it magnified tenfold.

AND the Daily Mail as well for that matter.

Im planning..


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:44:09
How about we just start an "Adrian Durham is on the brink of admin" type trend?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pumbaa on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:44:31
Im planning..

 :soapy tit wank:

Don't let us down Agent Tanswell


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: phelpsieboy on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:49:24
Done and dusted now according to Morshead :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:53:41
Done and dusted now according to Morshead :)

If that is the case then reading this thread makes things all the more sweeter!!

http://www.yellowsforum.proboards.com/thread/12944/swindon-24-hours-till-admin


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jimmy_onions on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:53:57
I wonder if these dudes are the ones PDC was 'excited' about?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BruceChatwin on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 11:55:40
How about we just start an "Adrian Durham is on the brink of admin" type trend?

I was just going to go for 'Adrian Durham is a cunt' but yours is much better. Something with a bit of good natured terraces humour is more likely to catch on and put us in a better light.

Or something connecting him with Jim Davidson. Striking similarity I think.

[url width=480 height=360]http://i.ytimg.com/vi/7Gw5NVRqrp0/0.jpg[/url]


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 12:08:07
Once this takeover happens (looks like it might be soon) we make sure that the abuse that this utter cuntroll originally took, it magnified tenfold.

AND the Daily Mail as well for that matter.

Townend Pressure Group to be properly deployed?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: bassett boy on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 12:09:28
Adrian Durham is always controversial and winds me up
He should be encouraging people to support teams outside the top league ,
Apart from the Preimer shit he talks about Peterboro and Franchise FC


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 12:10:56
I can't hear the word 'Jed' without images of The Beverley Hillbillies springing to mind.

I've already made my mind up on him - twat


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 12:19:28
May be about to be proved comprehensively wrong, but does anyone else have a lingering concern that this Jed and his local lower-league business chums sound just the teensiest bit, well, tinpot for a ambitious Championship-bound club? Is Jed in Banbury the top result from Sir William's extensive worldwide contact list?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: dave_bambers_right_sock on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 12:20:08
For those who don't have Twatterbook here's some Tweets from Advers Sam Morshead

Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA

It is believed that the takeover could be finalised today, with fit and proper persons tests still to be completed.


Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA

It's my understanding that the deal, which remains subject to FL approval, that has been reached ensures stability at the club...

Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA

I also understand that the deal, when it goes through, would get rid of all and any threat of administration.


 Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA

It's understood that Championship football remains target of new owners, but remains to be seen whether funds will be available this month
Expand

Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA

Meetings are expected to take place in the next 24 hours to try to secure funds for PDC to use before 11pm deadline tomorrow.


Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA

It's my understanding that club's prospective new owners and current board will retain joint control of running of Robins til deal ratified.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 12:22:55
May be about to be proved comprehensively wrong, but does anyone else have a lingering concern that this Jed and his local lower-league business chums sound just the teensiest bit, well, tinpot for a ambitious Championship-bound club? Is Jed in Banbury the top result from Sir William's extensive worldwide contact list?

There are many concerns, but we have to wait and see what it all means and who is involved. It could be the best thing ever, or the opposite. But its far too early to judge.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 12:24:26
To be honest the word stability has been mentioned. That's a good start for me.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Weasel on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 12:25:14
May be about to be proved comprehensively wrong, but does anyone else have a lingering concern that this Jed and his local lower-league business chums sound just the teensiest bit, well, tinpot for a ambitious Championship-bound club? Is Jed in Banbury the top result from Sir William's extensive worldwide contact list?

Wasn't Fitton just the chairman of Hungerford Town? I'm interesting in seeing who else is on board before writing Jed off.

Maybe we should start calling him Gerard instead?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: nochee on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 12:26:20
Who said they are lower league business men?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: dogs on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 12:29:12
Wasn't Fitton just the chairman of Hungerford Town? I'm interesting in seeing who else is on board before writing Jed off.

Maybe we should start calling him Gerard instead?

Exactly and he wasn't exactly short of a few quid. Worth £100 million in his own right.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 12:29:18
I want to know how much involvement the Red Indians will have


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 12:32:23
I will reserve judgment until we have a scarf above the head moment and some more details, at which stage I will decide whether the socks are to be blown off or not.

Seems a somewhat strange one, but assume the wedge is there for Mr Black et al to move on, not surprised that he is keeping some shareholding as at least means he could benefit if the ground thing ever does get off the ground.

The fact that he is a double glazing man and the speculation that a plumber is also involved is an interesting hark back to the good old days when clubs would be owned by the local butcher.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: welshred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 12:43:10
This is all very interesting.

I won't judge until we know exactly who the people involved are. There's obviously a fair bit of money involved in purchasing the shares, so there's obviously some wealthy people.

Hopefully they see the potential in the club in its current form and let Paolo do his stuff. No doubt PDC will let us all know in his next post-match interview if he's unhappy!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: monkey on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 12:43:48
sam believes there is a money man within the consortium


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 12:44:46
One of the guys in his consortium at Banbury is Perry Deakin, who was a big part of the reason Port Vale went up shit creek, obviously he may not even be apart of this consortium but that's just my pessimistic twopenneth on the situation.

 Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA

For those wondering, I'm led to believe Perry Deakin is not part of the consortium set to take over at Swindon Town.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: welshred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 12:45:59
Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA

For those wondering, I'm led to believe Perry Deakin is not part of the consortium set to take over at Swindon Town.

And thats good news! Don't want any former scum employees on board.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pumbaa on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 12:47:43
Irrespective as to who takes over, a certain section of our fan base will be disappointed or dissatisfied. The percentage remains to be seen pending a formal announcement (whenever that may or may not be).

What I personally want assurances on are the following:

- That the imminent threat of admisistration (whether it was ever there or not) has been lifted.
- The immediate plans for the rest of this season relative to playing budget and push for the Championship (given the current league position)
- A medium/longer term plan to push for sustained Championship football
- A business plan to deliver self-sufficiency
- Plans for ground redevelopment

Not all will be immediately available, so patience will be key across the fan base.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 12:48:50
Fair question Pumbaa.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 12:54:46
Who said they are lower league business men?

Agreed. I suppose I thought that bringing in Patey for his address book and aiming for the Championship we might be getting in another sort of investor. As you say, we might yet. You're right - I'll shut up and won't add any more speculation into the pot.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 12:56:58
Where does it stand on McCrory having ownership interest in two clubs?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BenTheRed on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 13:00:19
I'm not bothered. Didn't fitton soon stand down as chairman of hungerford when he did the same? thats assuming Jed Mccory will be the chairman


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 13:02:40
From the advertiser feed thing...

After taking over at Banbury United, Jed McCrory attempted to increase attendances at the club by offering to buy fans drinks.
 


 

He told the Banbury Guardian in October: “If we can double the gate of our last home game – 143 – then I will buy the first 286 fans a beer if they come up and introduce themselves to me at the bar in the clubhouse between 12.30pm and 2.30pm.
 
“If we get more than 300 fans then I will buy the first 300 a beer at the following home game and so on. But if we only get 299 then the supporters’ club chairman has to buy me one!”
 


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 13:03:43
From the advertiser feed thing...

After taking over at Banbury United, Jed McCrory attempted to increase attendances at the club by offering to buy fans drinks.

He told the Banbury Guardian in October: “If we can double the gate of our last home game – 143 – then I will buy the first 286 fans a beer if they come up and introduce themselves to me at the bar in the clubhouse between 12.30pm and 2.30pm.
 
“If we get more than 300 fans then I will buy the first 300 a beer at the following home game and so on. But if we only get 299 then the supporters’ club chairman has to buy me one!”

Incidentally if thats the Banbury Town badge its great!!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: The_Doctor on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 13:10:13
Both the Banbury supporters say he seems ok...



It would certainly be a shame if the rumours are true, just looking at the lick of paint and the amount of volunteers coming down and helping along with the results getting better, Jed would be a loss to us I think. Then again can you blame him when he has had a lot of s*** off people when it would seem he is just a genuine guy doing his best to get the club going. Also I have been down the stadium and asked Jed questions and he has always answered straight up, I think most people have found that so I am sure he will update us if and when the time is right, if the rumours are true then he probably wouldn't be able to say anything at this point anyway would he? Not 100% certain of my facts of course but come on Jed you started a great thing here at Banbury don't desert us now... Lets get the whole town behind the club and move on up....


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 13:11:23
Links to Cecil seem to have been incorrect, he's away in Brazil at the moment - bet he's delighted thats in the paper.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 13:13:29
From the advertiser feed thing...

After taking over at Banbury United, Jed McCrory attempted to increase attendances at the club by offering to buy fans drinks.
 


 

He told the Banbury Guardian in October: “If we can double the gate of our last home game – 143 – then I will buy the first 286 fans a beer if they come up and introduce themselves to me at the bar in the clubhouse between 12.30pm and 2.30pm.
 
“If we get more than 300 fans then I will buy the first 300 a beer at the following home game and so on. But if we only get 299 then the supporters’ club chairman has to buy me one!”
 

I like him already, that's pretty impressive.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 13:17:45
I like him already, that's pretty impressive.

Beat me to it. Was just about to write the same.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 13:22:16
Need to know if this includes Nick Watkins staying a chief Exec as I think he has done an excellent job and will hopefully stay


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 13:22:39
Again, waiting on the photo of the scarf above the head on the pitch...but some what relieved it has been agreed...remains to be seen if 'pleased'...hopefully Jed and his crew will do the business, but from what I've read so far seems ok!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Sippo on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 13:30:43
@JedMcCoy


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 13:31:22
Limited information so far seems to suggest he at least has an idea  (quote from Banbury fans etc above.

He's only 5 years older than me - scary!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 13:32:32
Beat me to it. Was just about to write the same.

Great minds etc. Sod financial stability, get the beers in :)   Talking of which where were you hiding last night? Saw your dad trying to give himself the shits at the burger stall :)


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 13:37:52
I'm desperately hoping rumours of Perry Deakin's involvement are wide of the mark. Here's hoping NW sticks around.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 13:41:57
pleased to hear this has been sorted out quickly after the protracted takeover of the Fitton led consortium but am eager to know who exactly is involved, their immediate plans for the rest of the season (consolidate or push on?) and if there are plans for redevelopment.

interesting times ahead


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Saxondale on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 13:43:08
I'm desperately hoping rumours of Perry Deakin's involvement are wide of the mark. Here's hoping NW sticks around.

Moorshead has said Deakin is not involved.


Title: Your Take?
Post by: leefer on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 13:46:21
Few threads on here so i look forward to hearing your comments on the supposed takeover....for what they are worth ;D

Any take over is good news for the club in the short term obviously,selling players and losing points because of Admin is a big no/no in my view.
Of course these guys are not Town fans...they are buisness people....anything wrong with that,course not most clubs have these kind of people running the club.
Will there be money behind them....doubtfull but if they shore up the club for a short time it is better than the alternative.

We have a real chance of grabbing promotion to the Championship....maybe these guys realise that and can see the pound signs that will come with a rise in division.....is that a bad thing...only time will tell.

As it stands it looks like we have a new dawn at the club....to me its good news as i have learnt that in football what happens today is more important in football than what happens tommorow.
It seems that the new consortium are taking over all the debt...who is to say that Jed and his gang will be the answer to our dreams....he is a property developer so maybe he has one eye on the stadium situation also.

Lets embrace the rest of the season and let the future do its thing.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 13:52:59
Great minds etc. Sod financial stability, get the beers in :)   Talking of which where were you hiding last night? Saw your dad trying to give himself the shits at the burger stall :)

He probably succeeded too. Nice.

I was around but if that was pre-match, i tried to duck in the supporters clubhouse for a swift half at 7:30pm. Sadly the bar was already closed (or so the old "bouncer" told me) - not impressed although i'd probably had enough by then.

I personally enjoyed last night - proper old school ground (aka a bit of a craphole). The stewards were keen though i have to say.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Langers on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 13:56:06
Need to know if this includes Nick Watkins staying a chief Exec as I think he has done an excellent job and will hopefully stay

Agree, he has been brilliant for this club.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kaufman on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 14:38:23
My hairdressers sister is shagging a bloke from a pub in Ramsbury that Fitton and Wray can frequently be found drinking expensive wine in. Just round the corner from PDC's favourite haunt..... :wink:

Seems so long ago now doesn't it


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Leggett on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 14:56:05
I do hope Nick stays around, the guy has been so good for the club, seems to really care about the club. Cautiously optimistic.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 15:12:15
I think the main question is who else is involved.

Was it Banbury United Mark Scott was on loan to last season? Expect we might see a few more youngsters head that way.

...anyways...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: tans on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 15:13:11
Yes DV,  Scott was on loan there. Took my mate out of the team


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 15:14:09
Wonder when we will find out who the members of the consortium are. Exciting times certainly over the next 30 hours or so.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 15:19:06
Yes DV,  Scott was on loan there. Took my mate out of the team

So, Mark Scott is behind all of this then...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: london_red on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 15:19:27
I do hope Nick stays around, the guy has been so good for the club

Have heard a lot of people saying this. Out of interest what sort of thing does he do? Not being facetious but don't see his name mentioned that often normally, in the press etc.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 15:40:29
Have heard a lot of people saying this. Out of interest what sort of thing does he do? Not being facetious but don't see his name mentioned that often normally, in the press etc.
aside from whatever he may or may not bring to the club, it would no doubt be very valuable to have someone who has been around since 2008 to help ease the transition and such. it won't be Black or Patey so Watkins is the man.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Benzel on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 15:45:24
What is Chris Tanner on about?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 15:45:51
Is this Jedward fella the same bloke who tried to buy Luton but failed to come up with the wonga?


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 15:48:17
Have heard a lot of people saying this. Out of interest what sort of thing does he do? Not being facetious but don't see his name mentioned that often normally, in the press etc.

He is the chief exec. I think the more appropriate question would be,  what doesn't he do!?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 15:49:26
What is Chris Tanner on about?

given the story broke 5 or 6 hours ago, bit late for the club to turn up and say "nothing has happened"?

https://twitter.com/cmt82/status/296640683899498496


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 17:23:43
 This new lot are going to have to go on a charm offensive to get the fans onside...when the last lot came in Sturrock fucked off straight away....and we got Malpas.  Losing players and PdC isn't something which is going to be acceptable this time, given the circumstances.

 The Banbury beer story reminds me of Mr Whippy, who went on a coporate in London with a mate of mine...Whippy mused out loud how he might improve his and the Board's image with the fans...mate suggested pitching up in the CG or Merlin and buying fans a few pre-match beers...lo and behold he did  :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kaufman on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 18:07:25
"The Advertiser understands the terms of the takeover at Town would see the money owed to Andrew Black, Sir Martyn Arbib, Andrew Fitton and Jeremy Wray in the club's holding company wiped.

Those debts are believed to total between £9.5million and £10million."

Still think one player is going to go, but for owners to have a completely clean slate thats a rarity in football business


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 18:11:13
Wiped as in written off ?  Wow.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 18:13:03
Or, wiped as in here's your £10 million, now we'll just create it as a debt from the football club to the new holding company.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 18:13:25
Asset Stripping springs to mind.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kaufman on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 18:13:30
That's the papers understanding

That is money owed to Andrew Black, Sir Martyn Arbib, Andrew Fitton and Jeremy Wray.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 18:16:55
Asset Stripping springs to mind.
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Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: DMR on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 18:18:30
Unless the £10m has been paid out of the goodness of the new owners hearts then that debt still stands somewhere. Crazy.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Red Frog on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 18:19:08
Asset Stripping springs to mind.

Somewhat randomly.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Cibocchi_Is_God on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 18:20:26
To be fair it's not as though they are paying that 10M to the HMRC or anything... It just means they wont get it back, maybe Black & co just want to cut their losses and get out ASAP. Or is that wishful thinking?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 18:27:57
The new owners have basically been given the club, paid nothing and with a large wage bill I really hope these guys have deep pockets as they obviously didn't have enough whereby the previous investors got any of their money back. I really hope I'm wrong as the past two years have been awesome and I don't want to what has been built up knocked down.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Summerof69 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 18:29:11
To be fair it's not as though they are paying that 10M to the HMRC or anything... It just means they wont get it back, maybe Black & co just want to cut their losses and get out ASAP. Or is that wishful thinking?

Black did indicate that he would be prepared to write off most of the debt on the deal.

The debt will then go down from £13m to £3m, which is currently the losses Shitty mount up in 2.5 months, according to their latest accounts.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 18:31:19
The new owners have basically been given the club, paid nothing and with a large wage bill I really hope these guys have deep pockets as they obviously didn't have enough whereby the previous investors got any of their money back. I really hope I'm wrong as the past two years have been awesome and I don't want to what has been built up knocked down.

Do you post anything that isn't complete bollocks?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Cibocchi_Is_God on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 18:32:25
Hopefully he sticks to his word and is able to do that then! All this take over stuff is giving me a headache to be honest... Just want it over and done with!


Title: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 18:32:59
Do you post anything that isn't complete bollocks?

Lets hope not


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: herthab on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 18:33:17
I don't know what the fuck is going on, just like everyone else.
Unfortunately I haven't got either the imagination or pessimism to come up with any theories as to what it all means for the club.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: leefer on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 18:39:52
Points West.....the former owners have written off the debt.

So at least we can send Mr Black on his way with a big pat on the back for this at least.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 18:43:04
I really don't get it.

They bank roll the club, agree a budget in the summer, then released further funds. Then they suddenly pull the plug, with threats of administration and having to sell players to balance the books. Then they sell the club and write off the debt.

I still think there is something we don't know about. Some kind of shit has gone down.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 18:51:04
I think it might e time to have a beer.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: leefer on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 18:53:57
I really don't get it.

They bank roll the club, agree a budget in the summer, then released further funds. Then they suddenly pull the plug, with threats of administration and having to sell players to balance the books. Then they sell the club and write off the debt.

I still think there is something we don't know about. Some kind of shit has gone down.

Nope...just the rich getting fed with certain toys.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BruceChatwin on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 18:59:13
Points West.....the former owners have written off the debt.

So at least we can send Mr Black on his way with a big pat on the back for this at least.

If this is true, and he's leaving us with a genuinely clean slate, then he deserves massive credit for what he's done for this football club.

 :ty:

Edit: i realise i've just used the phrase 'this football club,' one i've always hated for its overuse by managers in post match interviews. It's easier to slip into these football clichés than i realised.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ghanimah on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 19:09:57
I really don't get it.

They bank roll the club, agree a budget in the summer, then released further funds. Then they suddenly pull the plug, with threats of administration and having to sell players to balance the books. Then they sell the club and write off the debt.

I still think there is something we don't know about. Some kind of shit has gone down.

My guess is, as a founder of Betfair, and a gambling chap in general - he's simply invoked his 'stop-loss'


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 19:28:58
I think that no matter who the new owners are they will never be able to please all of our fans.....ever.

Some of our fans live in the Football manager world where they hope for a billionaire who will pump money into the club for fun and want nothing back out of it except to have his ego stroked.

These people DO NOT ever buy into lower league clubs, some fans need to get real.

We are a smallish club that are now clear of debts off the pitch with a bright future ahead of us with a great manager and good squad, if the new owners back Paolo then we have a great future head of us in possibly a higher league from next season.

I expect there will be business people involved who want to either redevelop the CG or move to a new site, virtually 100% of all new owners of clubs would be looking at a similar plan if a new ground was not already in place, makes perfect common sense to want to forward the club off the pitch as well as on it.

I think we should be fairly glad that it is all sorted now and not worry too much about motives behind these people until we actually know their plans/goals or for that matter exactly who they are.

Maybe one or more of them has a lot of money that they are willing to put into the club, I say one because apparently one of the backers is nameless and has a lot of money so the beeb insinuated yesterday.

Lets wait and see what they say before we write them off as being a bunch of grabbing assett stripping wankers which some people seem to be thinking they will be yet in all fairness we know nothing about them yet.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 19:36:45
We don't really have many assets to strip.  A few players worth a few bob, but not enough to cover off the losses in the long term, or only just create a small profit.  We don't own our ground and as the Wills gang showed, even the stands csn't be mortgaged for too much.

So it is always about potential, be that making a name for yourself or be it from some sort of ground development/re-development.  I'm not sure that worries me right now, something to be more concerned about once we get there and ensure a Kassam doesn't occur.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bewster on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 19:39:07
I am still a long way from feeling comfortable about all of this.

Thank you Mr Black, for everything.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: bassett boy on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 19:40:15
I am still a long way from feeling comfortable about all of this.

Thank you Mr Black, for everything.
this


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pumbaa on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 19:40:35
Officially, the silence is deafening. Might be because some sensitive discussions are still taking place, but we've all being jumping off in different directions based on some tweets from Sam Morshead. Its unsettling everyone.

So, calm the fuck down everyone. All will become clear in due course.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: magicroundabout on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 19:42:07
where has this idea of asset stripping come from?

Mr Black has wiped the slate clean, the new owners want championship football, why would they then start stripping our team who PDC has got to 3rd in the table?!

it doesn't make sense where this idea has come from


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 19:43:28
I'd imagine the deafening silence will be upheld until legals/proof of funds are approved. Not sure how long league ratification takes, but I think the fir and proper person test is just 'can he sign his name, X will do if not'.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: corner on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 19:43:44
I think it will be announced tommorow along with the signing of a couple of loan players


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 19:44:37
where has this idea of asset stripping come from?

Mr Black has wiped the slate clean, the new owners want championship football, why would they then start stripping our team who PDC has got to 3rd in the table?!

it doesn't make sense where this idea has come from
from the same person who blamed Patey for the war in Afghanistan in another thread.

pay no heed


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: magicroundabout on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 19:45:43
i imagine we will get FL approval over night and tomorrow will be getting the dead wood out (maybe this is the asset stripping?!) and bringing in fresh faces. Martins & Hollands until the season ends no doubt + a couple more


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 19:46:39
I'd imagine the deafening silence will be upheld until legals/proof of funds are approved. Not sure how long league ratification takes, but I think the fir and proper person test is just 'can he sign his name, X will do if not'.

Ah, I see how people like Yeung and Chanrai have managed it, they just need to show they can grow Christmas tree's.  Is this a confusion caused by the formation by the same name I wonder.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 19:46:51
where has this idea of asset stripping come from?

Mr Black has wiped the slate clean, the new owners want championship football, why would they then start stripping our team who PDC has got to 3rd in the table?!

it doesn't make sense where this idea has come from
The club assetts are obviously the players, what with the rumours of Collins and Ritchie leaving who are probably our 2 major prized assetts on the pitch along with Foderingham, I would call that rumours of assett stripping, although no official bid has been made for either according to PdC.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pumbaa on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 19:48:59
I'd imagine the deafening silence will be upheld until legals/proof of funds are approved. Not sure how long league ratification takes, but I think the fir and proper person test is just 'can he sign his name, X will do if not'.

Quite. But there is nothing, I repeat nothing, on the official club website about any of this.

Like many on here, I'm a Project Manager. Its a well known statistic in the 'industry' that the primary cause of project failure is Communication, mainly it being poor or lacking.

The club's wall of silence is a concern. Understandable, but a concern nonetheless.

I'm happy to wait. Seems the majority are feeding vigourously on the speculative bollocks.


Title: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 19:51:35
Every club in league 1 and 2 would say there aim is the championship. Actually putting the means in place and achieving it are two very different things.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 19:52:01
I don't think it is a concern. If we wake tomorrow to find players sold, and/or a takeover breakdown then I'll be concerned.

I'd call this normal.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 19:52:21
I'm happy to wait. Seems the majority are feeding vigourously on the speculative bollocks.
Exactly.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pumbaa on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 19:55:46
I don't think it is a concern. If we wake tomorrow to find players sold, and/or a takeover breakdown then I'll be concerned.

I'd call this normal.

Hope to god you're right. In the meantime. I'll wait patiently and remain mildly concerned over the lack of official comms. Night xx


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 19:57:05
Hope to god you're right. In the meantime. I'll wait patiently and remain mildly concerned over the lack of official comms. Night xx
There is no Bob Holt :D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 19:58:21
Seems the majority are feeding vigourously on the speculative bollocks.

oh, I only have pizza for dinner


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 20:30:43
I don't think it is a concern. If we wake tomorrow to find players sold, and/or a takeover breakdown then I'll be concerned.

I'm concerned.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 20:31:26
I'm concerned.

And with good cause.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 20:32:44
Who mentioned assett stripping?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 20:35:34
Great way for the new owners to get the fan base onside.

Sell your best player for about half of what you turned down a few months ago, it's Fjortoft all over again.


Oh well, the last 18 months were fun :(


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Sharpe on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 20:37:18
Morshead doesn't seem to know what he is talking about. He said our stadium was being used as leverage but as far as i know we don't even own it. Where is he getting his info from?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonah on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 20:38:41
Fuck. This. Shit.

What a monumental fucking disgrace selling at that price - Can't expect PdC to be happy about this.
 
If he's half as pissed off as me then he'll be off to club with some ambition like Fleetwood or Stevenage.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 20:40:26
Morshead doesn't seem to know what he is talking about. He said our stadium was being used as leverage but as far as i know we don't even own it. Where is he getting his info from?

We own the stadium...just not the freehold of the land that it is built on.  That's my understanding anyway.

This is starting to smell very bad.  Not happy this evening.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 20:44:05
We own the stands.  St Modwen did have a charge against their full value, which was cleared by Arbib as I remember.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 20:46:10
I think either Black or Arbib had a debenture over the ground as security for their loan. Someone with access to companies house should be able to confirm.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RobertT on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 20:46:44
Makes sense, probably transferred the charge when they paid off St Modwen.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Sharpe on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 20:47:00
We own the stadium...just not the freehold of the land that it is built on.  That's my understanding anyway.

This is starting to smell very bad.  Not happy this evening.

Oh dear...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Freddies Ferret on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 20:47:34
Tomorrow is going to be interesting! Mad day today


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 20:49:25
I think either Black or Arbib had a debenture over the ground as security for their loan. Someone with access to companies house should be able to confirm.

Yes, I confirmed this to Morshead on Twitter


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:22:20
Taking a step back, if it were any other board on the way out there wouldn't be half as much criticism. Five years on we're in roughly the same league position but with a much better balance sheet.

After the shambles that was the Wills era, Black/Fitton et al seemed like a breath of fresh air. They had ambition and a clear business plan. I will always be eternally grateful for these men not only saving our football club from certain liquidation but completely turning it around off the pitch.

But, after the openness and transparency that we've grown accustomed to in the last few years, the manner of the swift sale to the first/easiest bidder and deafening silence today has left a very bitter taste and somewhat tainted my view of them.

Hopefully tomorrow brings better news and a statement of some kind from someone in authority. If we don't have reassurances from the outgoing owner then Mr McCrory better talk a very good game.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:23:51
Taking a step back, if it were any other board on the way out there wouldn't be half as much criticism. Five years on we're in roughly the same league position but with a much better balance sheet.

After the shambles that was the Wills era, Black/Fitton et al seemed like a breath of fresh air. They had ambition and a clear business plan. I will always be eternally grateful for these men not only saving our football club from certain liquidation but completely turning it around off the pitch.

But, after the openness and transparency that we've grown accustomed to in the last few years, the manner of the swift sale to the first/easiest bidder and deafening silence today has left a very bitter taste and somewhat tainted my view of them.

Hopefully tomorrow brings better news and a statement of some kind from someone in authority. If we don't have reassurances from the outgoing owner then Mr McCrory better talk a very good game.

Not in a million years will there be better news, the way things are going today.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: JanTheMan on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:25:39
I might be clutching at straws, but Paolo was happy with progress on the takeover a few days ago, which presumably meant whoever we were talking to were happy to stick in a few quid (especially with the knowledge AB would write off all that debt).  If we assume the Banbury consortium have been front runners for a few days, then hopefully when it is confirmed we will also hear about a big injection of cash.

I really do hope the above is true.  Selling someone to get through the next month or two is kinda logical. I can understand a potential owner not wanting to fork out 250k/500k at risk, especially if they've had their fingers burnt before.  But MR, for that fee, to rivals, is absolutely fucking appalling.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: red socks on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:26:15
Taking a step back, if it were any other board on the way out there wouldn't be half as much criticism. Five years on we're in roughly the same league position but with a much better balance sheet.

After the shambles that was the Wills era, Black/Fitton et al seemed like a breath of fresh air. They had ambition and a clear business plan. I will always be eternally grateful for these men not only saving our football club from certain liquidation but completely turning it around off the pitch.

But, after the openness and transparency that we've grown accustomed to in the last few years, the manner of the swift sale to the first/easiest bidder and deafening silence today has left a very bitter taste and somewhat tainted my view of them.

Hopefully tomorrow brings better news and a statement of some kind from someone in authority. If we don't have reassurances from the outgoing owner then Mr McCrory better talk a very good game.

If its just Richie going then we might be okay, my worry is Wes Williams ferry etc all go on the cheap tomorrow, swiftly followed by the main man......


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:28:42
I might be clutching at straws, but Paolo was happy with progress on the takeover a few days ago, which presumably meant whoever we were talking too were happy to stick in a few quid (especially with the knowledge AB would write off all that debt).  If we assume the Banbury consortium have been front runners for a few days, then hopefully when it is confirmed we will also hear about a big injection of cash.
With all due respect, if we're relying on Di Canio's sound fiscal judgement to do due diligence on the new consortium then clutching at straws doesn't even begin to cover it.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Barry Scott on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:29:59
With all due respect, if we're relying on Di Canio's sound fiscal judgement to do due diligence on the new consortium then clutching at straws doesn't even begin to cover it.

 :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:32:10
Was I dreaming earlier or did I misread on the adver the new consortium say something along the lines of Championship football 'as soon as possible' (what with selling Ritchie on the other thread...they must have someone else lined up?!?!)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:33:26
Was I dreaming earlier or did I misread on the adver the new consortium say something along the lines of Championship football 'as soon as possible' (what with selling Ritchie on the other thread...they must have someone else lined up?!?!)

The thing that worries me is how quiet the club is about the takeover, even Chris Tanner saying no takeover has happened.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:35:25
The thing that worries me is how quiet the club is about the takeover, even Chris Tanner saying no takeover has happened.
In fairness, that may be because they want to have the thing fully signed and sealed before making any official takeover announcement


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: welshred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:36:12
Was I dreaming earlier or did I misread on the adver the new consortium say something along the lines of Championship football 'as soon as possible' (what with selling Ritchie on the other thread...they must have someone else lined up?!?!)

Ummm...I think you were dreaming. Everything we've heard today has been from Sam Moreshead. God knows where he gets his information from, but he said the new owners didn't want to get rid of Ritchie.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: caveej on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:37:57
the only people that know what is going on is the pricks right at the top that do not give a fuck about us, the supporters, or the club.  Its all about money. They dont give a fuck about PDC, Ritchie, et al. They dont give a fuck. they are businessmen - not supporters of the club. they dont give a fuck.  All they care about is not losing any money.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: magicroundabout on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:38:25
Ummm...I think you were dreaming. Everything we've heard today has been from Sam Moreshead. God knows where he gets his information from, but he said the new owners didn't want to get rid of Ritchie.



maybe they didn't but the old boys did? a parting shot maybe


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:38:50
Ummm...I think you were dreaming. Everything we've heard today has been from Sam Moreshead. God knows where he gets his information from, but he said the new owners didn't want to get rid of Ritchie.



Well they didn't appear to put up much of a fight to keep him.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: JanTheMan on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:40:43
With all due respect, if we're relying on Di Canio's sound fiscal judgement to do due diligence on the new consortium then clutching at straws doesn't even begin to cover it.

I'm not expecting him to be heading the due diligence for either side, but he would have been happy with what he was being told.  You may not like him, but he's no puppet.  He also may have been fed a load of shit....and yes i'm clutching at straws.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: welshred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:40:52
Well they didn't appear to put up much of a fight to keep him.

Could well have been out of their hands. Money was required to fund the club until the deal is officially done perhaps? I don't know. Hopefully we'll find out tomorrow.

And I don't think the current board would have sold Ritchie to spite us.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Freddies Ferret on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:41:20
the only people that know what is going on is the pricks right at the top that do not give a fuck about us, the supporters, or the club.  Its all about money. They dont give a fuck about PDC, Ritchie, et al. They dont give a fuck. they are businessmen - not supporters of the club. they dont give a fuck.  All they care about is not losing any money.
are you 12 years old? Because your acting it


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: newmarket red on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:41:41
Fodders next to go now then?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Simon Pieman on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:41:51
Quite honestly, the people that said administration wasn't a possibility are looking a little bit silly now.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: DiV on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:43:09
Could well have been out of their hands. Money was required to fund the club until the deal is officially done perhaps? I don't know. Hopefully we'll find out tomorrow.

And I don't think the current board would have sold Ritchie to spite us.

Then loan the club the money and hold onto one of your best assets.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:43:29
Quite honestly, the people that said administration wasn't a possibility are looking a little bit silly now.

Its far worse than that...Adrian Durham could be proven right.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: caveej on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:44:00
are you 12 years old? Because your acting it

You are the kind of mug that doesn't understand business.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Dozno9 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:44:33
Its far worse than that...Adrian Durham could be proven right.

Shit, never thought of that.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: herthab on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:44:41
the only people that know what is going on is the pricks right at the top that do not give a fuck about us, the supporters, or the club.  Its all about money. They dont give a fuck about PDC, Ritchie, et al. They dont give a fuck. they are businessmen - not supporters of the club. they dont give a fuck.  All they care about is not losing any money.
Think Black has lost a fucking fortune hasn't he?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:45:11
You are the kind of mug that doesn't understand business.

So that's a yes?


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: caveej on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:50:32
Think Black has lost a fucking fortune hasn't he?

Exactly. You have just solidified my point. As soon as Black realised he couldn't make money out of Swindon, fucks off.  It's business.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:52:14
Exactly. You have just solidified my point. As soon as Black realised he couldn't make money out of Swindon, fucks off.  It's business.

How many people have ever made money out of a football club?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:52:57
Exactly. You have just solidified my point. As soon as Black realised he couldn't make money out of Swindon, fucks off.  It's business.

Umm I think he may have realised that a few months before now. Probably within 5 minutes in fact.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Dozno9 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:53:42
How many people have ever made money out of a football club?

Players. Only players.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:54:05
Players. Only players.

Agents ;)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Freddies Ferret on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:55:42
You are the kind of mug that doesn't understand business.
well obviously...I'm a nurse! You need to fucking calm down though


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Dozno9 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:56:12
Agents ;)

Oh yeah, forgot about them.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Freddies Ferret on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:56:56
How many people have ever made money out of a football club?
Don't question him! He knows a lot about business you know.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: herthab on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:57:11
Exactly. You have just solidified my point. As soon as Black realised he couldn't make money out of Swindon, fucks off.  It's business.
Amazed he's been such a successful businessman if he loses 9 million quid in a few years. Think there's more to his bailing than that.
Fans have notoriously short memories, but come on.....


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: welshred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 21:58:27
Umm I think he may have realised that a few months before now. Probably within 5 minutes in fact.

I'm pretty sure Black knew before he bought the club that we weren't going to be a money-spinner.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: caveej on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:01:51
I'm pretty sure Black knew before he bought the club that we weren't going to be a money-spinner.

OK, I am not here to argue, just feel so infuriated.

But answer this, why would somebody that not only is not a football man, let alone a Swindon supporter invest in the club unless they thought they could make money?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LoyalSupporter on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:03:15
From the Banbury forum
http://banburyunitedfc.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1275
RUMOURS/FACTS

I have been asked to invite you all to a meeting on Friday night at the Clubhouse with Jed, where he will speak to you all and give you the chance to ask questions.

As it stands at the moment Jed has spoken to no Media, much of the talk has come from the Swindon area. And obviously other media have picked up on it and passed it on.

The Clubhouse will open at 7.00pm, meeting will commence at 7.30pm.

If you have an interest in the club it's very important you attend and hear the FACTS from Jed.

Please pass this on to anyone who may not see the forum.

Many thanks Stewart
Radio Horton and Banbury United Supporter


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: tans on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:04:17
Agent Darren - @DarrenL68: The lesson of the day, don't spend money you haven't got to keep the fans Happy, as one day you will only fck the Fans over.  Night all.

Quite happy to take your cut though werent you, bit bitter seeing as he is banned from the club


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: joteddyred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:04:49
Could well have been out of their hands. Money was required to fund the club until the deal is officially done perhaps? I don't know. Hopefully we'll find out tomorrow.

And I don't think the current board would have sold Ritchie to spite us.

Well one of the parties has done us over, or at least that's what it feels like.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:05:17
From the Banbury forum
http://banburyunitedfc.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1275
RUMOURS/FACTS

I have been asked to invite you all to a meeting on Friday night at the Clubhouse with Jed, where he will speak to you all and give you the chance to ask questions.

As it stands at the moment Jed has spoken to no Media, much of the talk has come from the Swindon area. And obviously other media have picked up on it and passed it on.

The Clubhouse will open at 7.00pm, meeting will commence at 7.30pm.

If you have an interest in the club it's very important you attend and hear the FACTS from Jed.

Please pass this on to anyone who may not see the forum.

Many thanks Stewart
Radio Horton and Banbury United Supporter

Fallen through then?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: tans on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:05:24
From the Banbury forum
http://banburyunitedfc.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1275
RUMOURS/FACTS

I have been asked to invite you all to a meeting on Friday night at the Clubhouse with Jed, where he will speak to you all and give you the chance to ask questions.

As it stands at the moment Jed has spoken to no Media, much of the talk has come from the Swindon area. And obviously other media have picked up on it and passed it on.

The Clubhouse will open at 7.00pm, meeting will commence at 7.30pm.

If you have an interest in the club it's very important you attend and hear the FACTS from Jed.

Please pass this on to anyone who may not see the forum.

Many thanks Stewart
Radio Horton and Banbury United Supporter

i have to go to banbury friday night, might pop in to that


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:05:35
I'm pretty sure Black knew before he bought the club that we weren't going to be a money-spinner.

Umm that's kinda (well exactly) what I was trying to say.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: welshred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:06:31
OK, I am not here to argue, just feel so infuriated.

But answer this, why would somebody that not only is not a football man, let alone a Swindon supporter invest in the club unless they thought they could make money?


It was a nice little project for him and his mates to play with. Once they fell out, it no longer became fun. There may have been plans for the club to one day become sustainable, but it would have cost a fortune to get us there!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: joteddyred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:08:12
Fallen through then?

It honestly wouldn't surprise me the way today has gone.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: caveej on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:08:47
It was a nice little project for him and his mates to play with. Once they fell out, it no longer became fun. There may have been plans for the club to one day become sustainable, but it would have cost a fortune to get us there!

Agree, and I think that is why it is so frustrating. As soon as 'they' get bored, they disappear leaving a mess behind.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: welshred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:09:22
From the Banbury forum
http://banburyunitedfc.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1275
RUMOURS/FACTS

I have been asked to invite you all to a meeting on Friday night at the Clubhouse with Jed, where he will speak to you all and give you the chance to ask questions.

As it stands at the moment Jed has spoken to no Media, much of the talk has come from the Swindon area. And obviously other media have picked up on it and passed it on.

The Clubhouse will open at 7.00pm, meeting will commence at 7.30pm.

If you have an interest in the club it's very important you attend and hear the FACTS from Jed.

Please pass this on to anyone who may not see the forum.

Many thanks Stewart
Radio Horton and Banbury United Supporter

If he's one of the new owners of our club, he can use our facilities to hold a forum with the fans. If he's not the new owner, I have no interest in the man.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:10:43
Morshead has gone very quiet.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Freddies Ferret on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:11:53
I think we should all go to bed and sleep on it


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: STFCFORLIFE on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:12:07
Reckon we will lose Wes, Di Canio and a few more this week and enter Administration, it's all over.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: herthab on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:12:21
Agree, and I think that is why it is so frustrating. As soon as 'they' get bored, they disappear leaving a mess behind.
The mess they've leaving behind is a lot fucking less than the mess they walked in on.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: leefer on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:12:51
Morshead has gone very quiet.

A small crumb of comfort then.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: caveej on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:13:13
The mess they've leaving behind is a lot fucking less than the mess they walked in on.

Still a mess. A mess is a mess.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: welshred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:13:33
Reckon we will lose Wes, Di Canio and a few more this week and enter Administration, it's all over.

Fair enough if that's your opinion, but we just don't know what the hell will happen tomorrow.

I'm trying to stay positive.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: welshred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:15:09
Still a mess. A mess is a mess.

A mess is a lot less of a mess than being in massive, massive debt. I really can't see the new owners coming in, putting us in administration and selling all of our players. Why would they do that?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:17:15
A small crumb of comfort then.

Unless he knows what's coming next and is swinging from a rafter.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: joteddyred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:18:06
I think we should all go to bed and sleep on it

I think I'd like to sleep for the next 24 hours or so and be blissfully unaware of anything that's happening.  As it is I have back to back meetings at work, which are now going to be difficult to concentrate in.  It could be another bad day in the history of Swindon Town FC and I'm not sure I'm up to it.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: STFCFORLIFE on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:18:22
Morshead has gone very quiet.

He's talking again now saying a deal is close.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Stegenfreud on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:19:42
Selling Ritchie would make more sense (only a little) if the takeover has fallen through...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: welshred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:19:51
He's talking again now saying a deal is close.

What deal?!!?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Stegenfreud on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:20:45
I think I'd like to sleep for the next 24 hours or so and be blissfully unaware of anything that's happening.  As it is I have back to back meetings at work, which are now going to be difficult to concentrate in.  It could be another bad day in the history of Swindon Town FC and I'm not sure I'm up to it.



This


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: joteddyred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:21:08
He's talking again now saying a deal is close.

I don't think he knows any more than the rest of us to be honest.  He clearly had no idea what was going on with Ritchie earlier.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: caveej on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:21:37
Fair enough if that's your opinion, but we just don't know what the hell will happen tomorrow.

I'm trying to stay positive.

True. Lets just see what happens.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: welshred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:22:16
I don't think he knows any more than the rest of us to be honest.  He clearly had no idea what was going on with Ritchie earlier.

Someone was obviously filling him in with little bits and pieces throughout the day though.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:28:21
I don't think he knows any more than the rest of us to be honest.  He clearly had no idea what was going on with Ritchie earlier.
Agreed.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:29:28
I don't think he knows any more than the rest of us to be honest.  He clearly had no idea what was going on with Ritchie earlier.

According to that interview, neither did Ritchie.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: dave_bambers_right_sock on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:31:30
Just in case it's needed


http://www.samaritans.org/swindon/ (http://www.samaritans.org/swindon/)    :D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:33:11
"Expecting a statement from Town shortly"


Wouldn't go to bed quite yet then! roller coaster continues.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:33:49
"Expecting a statement from Town shortly"


Wouldn't go to bed quite yet then! roller coaster continues.

Statement Wednesday


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:33:51
Hmm, was just about to go to bed. Will wait for the inevitable big kick in the bollocks instead.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: oxonrobin on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:35:47
Hmm, was just about to go to bed. Will wait for the inevitable big kick in the bollocks instead.

Hopefully it's more of a gentle cupping to soothe the earlier blow.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:36:27
You've had a blow?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:36:30
Deal Done.


"#STFC pleased to announce its majority shareholder Andrew Black has today exchanged contracts with a consortium to acquire the Club #STFC"


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:36:54
Hmm, was just about to go to bed. Will wait for the inevitable big kick in the bollocks instead.

I've got my jockstrap at the ready!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:37:19
Deal Done.


"#STFC pleased to announce its majority shareholder Andrew Black has today exchanged contracts with a consortium to acquire the Club #STFC"

We couldn't wait two hours and keep our best player?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:37:19
http://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/article/contractsexchanged-629219.aspx


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:37:19
Well, still shit about Ritchie. But I think its better than "deal has not been done". At least in the short term.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: welshred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:37:41
Is that all we're gonna get today?! An brief explanation of what the fuck would be nice.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:37:41
http://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/article/contractsexchanged-629219.aspx

Quote


THE Board of Swindon Town FC are pleased to announce its majority shareholder Andrew Black has today exchanged contracts with a consortium to acquire the Club. Completion of the sale is dependent upon approval from the Football League, which we hope to obtain in the next few days.

Upon completion, most of the Club’s existing debt will be written off, the threat of administration will be avoided and Paolo Di Canio and the squad will be able to concentrate on football and the challenge of making Swindon a Championship club next season.

Chairman Sir William Patey commented: “This is an important day for the Club, with the current owners writing off most of their debts and the new consortium’s funding, the Club has a strong financial base to continue the battle for Championship football. I look forward to updating you with more details as soon the deal receives Football League approval.”


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: welshred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:38:25
http://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/article/contractsexchanged-629219.aspx

Someone has had a sex change?!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Dozno9 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:38:48
Just after the lottery numbers were announced. Coincidence?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:38:59
http://www.swindontownfc.co.uk/news/article/contractsexchanged-629219.aspx


Contract Sex Changed?  Who'd sign that?!

Edit:  Damn you Welshred. (Shakes fist in a Grampa Simpson stylee  :))


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:39:56
What a load of shit, nothing all day and when we get a statement it tells us something we already know.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:40:12
The statement's on the OS now. Patey says the deal puts us on a sound financial base for the rest of the season. Which seems completely at odds with us selling Ritchie for a pittance.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: oxonrobin on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:40:33
Well that was a shorter statement than I hoped


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:40:45
"which we hope to obtain in the next few days."....so room for bringing players in or is it too late??



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:40:55
My take is we've been taken over by a load of shysters who have taken advantage of Black's desperation to offload the club to any bunch of twats.

There is an awful stench about all that has gone on


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: red socks on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:41:19
Well, still shit about Ritchie. But I think its better than "deal has not been done". At least in the short term.

It's been a bit of a horrific day, and who knows what tomorrow will bring, but I wouldn't swap the down and dirty cut and thrust of supporting a team like swindon than moaning that we haven't spent £50m on a new player like a Chelsea fan I over heard in the gymn earlier,  we could be Pompey........


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Barry Scott on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:42:00
All sounds good to me. Might have lost Richie, but then Roberts favours the righ,t does he not? and both De Vita and Rooney (Luke) can play there.

Also, Ramon Nunez is unattached and I'm convinced he's amazing and set to sign. :beers:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:42:44
It's been a bit of a horrific day, and who knows what tomorrow will bring, but I wouldn't swap the down and dirty cut and thrust of supporting a team like swindon than moaning that we haven't spent £50m on a new player like a Chelsea fan I over heard in the gymn earlier,  we could be Pompey........

By when...end of Feb? (Sorry, I feel the old STFC gallows humour returning...it kinda feels like coming home.)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: caveej on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:43:49
The sale of Ritchie and the exchange of contracts was clearly all part of the deal.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: reeves4england on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:44:18
By when...end of Feb? (Sorry, I feel the old STFC gallows humour returning...it kinda feels like coming home.)

Orange hats at the ready?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Salford Red on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:44:33
PUBLISHED

22:25 30th January 2013

by Swindontownfc.co.uk

THE Board of Swindon Town FC are pleased to announce its majority shareholder Andrew Black has today exchanged contracts with a consortium to acquire the Club. Completion of the sale is dependent upon approval from the Football League, which we hope to obtain in the next few days.


Upon completion, most of the Club’s existing debt will be written off, the threat of administration will be avoided and Paolo Di Canio and the squad will be able to concentrate on football and the challenge of making Swindon a Championship club next season.


Chairman Sir William Patey commented: “This is an important day for the Club, with the current owners writing off most of their debts and the new consortium’s funding, the Club has a strong financial base to continue the battle for Championship football. I look forward to updating you with more details as soon the deal receives Football League approval.”


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:45:36
Orange hats at the ready?

 :)It's upstairs in me wardrobe (actually I have a woolly one for the winter and a baseball cap with Power on it for the summer).  What's Bill Power up to these days?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: JanTheMan on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:46:14
I might be clutching at straws, but Paolo was happy with progress on the takeover a few days ago, which presumably meant whoever we were talking to were happy to stick in a few quid (especially with the knowledge AB would write off all that debt).  If we assume the Banbury consortium have been front runners for a few days, then hopefully when it is confirmed we will also hear about a big injection of cash.

I really do hope the above is true.  Selling someone to get through the next month or two is kinda logical. I can understand a potential owner not wanting to fork out 250k/500k at risk, especially if they've had their fingers burnt before.  But MR, for that fee, to rivals, is absolutely fucking appalling.


With all due respect, if we're relying on Di Canio's sound fiscal judgement to do due diligence on the new consortium then clutching at straws doesn't even begin to cover it.

It's worth clutching every now and again


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: red socks on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:47:00
The sale of Ritchie and the exchange of contracts was clearly all part of the deal.
How much was richie on a week, anyone know? £10k per chance?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kaufman on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:47:13
is @MacPhlea our groundsman ?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Gnasher on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:47:39
Orange hats at the ready?

The good times are now in the past. Darkness has descended on the County Ground. Must be time for bed.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:47:54
The information available at the moment is that Jed Nobody who was not allowed by the FA to buy Luton Town as he was too skint, is now in the final stages of buying Swindon, nothing else is yet known about his "consortium" other then the first thing they have done is to sell a player for far less then his market value to get some much needed cash in quick, not sounding that great at the moment but will see how it plays out over the next few days.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:48:01
How much was richie on a week, anyone know? £10k per chance?

Yeah, they all are.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:49:37
Just seems to me that the fans have been done over again, may be wrong annd I hope I am, but if they cannot complete for a few days there is no way we can get players in tomorrow - unless they have promised PDC a wedge of it to spend, ie still with the old directors, yet somehow I cannot prospective new owners sanctioing the spending of any money right now.  Dream over guys!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:50:27
Something stinks and it's not of the good variety! If only I could win euromillions!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:50:57
On ssn now


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:51:05
When does the loan window open again?!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: leefer on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:51:35
When does the loan window open again?!

When Jed has knocked one up.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Stegenfreud on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:52:03
Ritchie going seems odd in all this... lots of clarification needed.

There is an awful stench about all that has gone on

Can't help but agree with this..


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:52:33
When Jed has knocked one up.

:) , bet his close quietly rather than slam shut


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BruceChatwin on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:53:19
TBH, they can send out all the positive press releases and messages they like. The desperate sale of Ritchie for a shocking cut price fee cuts straight through all the bullshit and tells us everything we need to know about the type of people taking us over.  



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:53:28
is @MacPhlea our groundsman ?

I believe so, he has made some interesting comments on twitter.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:53:41
When Jed has knocked one up.
Knocked one up, or knocked one out - cos he sounds like a right wanker!!  Points West were actually reporting him to be big in property deals, everybody else seems to think he is a window man!!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: woolster on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:54:24
TBH, they can send out all the positive press releases and messages they like. The desperate sale of Ritchie for a shocking cut price fee cuts straight through all the bullshit and tells us everything we need to know about the type of people taking us over.  


:nod:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ronnie21 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:54:45
I believe so, he has made some interesting comments on twitter.
But he's gone quiet on here!!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:55:29
I believe so, he has made some interesting comments on twitter.

Worth posting on here?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:55:30
If the price of a (relatively) debt free club & being on a sound financial footing is losing Matt Ritchie then it is worth it.

The worry still has to be that we know next to nothing about who the new owners are, and if the deal is complete all bar FL approval then selling one of your most valuable assets below his real worth doesn't at face value make much sense.

I still fear that the backlash from this sale might cost us this season (either with the manager deciding that this isn't the place for him, or causing a bit of unrest amongst the players that are still here).

I guess only time will tell, but at the moment it doesn't feel quite right


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:56:02
When Jed has knocked one up.
When Jed has knocked one up.

That's made me proper laugh... Thank you sir!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 22:56:14
Knocked one up, or knocked one out - cos he sounds like a right wanker!!  Points West were actually reporting him to be big in property deals, everybody else seems to think he is a window man!!

When asked to explain the sale of Ritchie, Jedward explained:

'You buy one, you get one free'

'I said, you buy one you get one free'


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: slinky on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:03:19
When asked to explain the sale of Ritchie, Jedward explained:

'You buy one, you get one free'

'I said, you buy one you get one free'

So they've bought Ritchie who they gonna get free?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:06:56
Worth posting on here?

Can't paste as on phone but his comments are positive re transfers?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:07:13
Worth posting on here?
Without quoting, it was something like 'The next 24 hours will stun a few, sometimes you have to swallow a bitter pill to get better'


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:08:27
Can't paste as on phone but his comments are positive re transfers?

Messi on his way for a medical tomorrow ;)













Fred Messy the builders mate that is :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:08:33
1 Matt Ritchie = half a Matt Tubbs. I'm going to bed now and i'm going to wake up tomorrow and it will all hav e been a bad dream.I've got so many questions and fuck all answers. This has been a clusteruck of a day.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:08:59
Without quoting, it was something like 'The next 24 hours will stun a few, sometimes you have to swallow a bitter pill to get better'

Ok, thanks for that...I suddenly feel a bit better...love to be happy tomorrow.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:09:30
Without quoting, it was something like 'The next 24 hours will stun a few, sometimes you have to swallow a bitter pill to get better'

What the hell does that mean. Have I won a brand new dustbin. 3-2-1.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:10:42
Messi on his way for a medical tomorrow ;)













Fred Messy the builders mate that is :)

Surely Mr Messy would be great in goal? And we'd have Arthur Lowe's reassuring tones at the back.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:11:38
Stupid boy


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: dogs on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:12:58
What a bunch of panic pussies. Calm the fuck down. This is Swindon town, and this is what we do.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:13:11
Stupid boy

 :)More than you think...I meant Mr Tickle. :-[


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:13:40
Sod it!

I'm off to bed so that I can wake up refreshed for a day full of 'blow your socks off' signings! (Hopefully not of our players for other clubs!)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:14:30
What a bunch of panic pussies. Calm the fuck down. This is Swindon town, and this is what we do.

This


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:15:10
I hope they sort out the chips in the Don Rogers.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Abrahammer on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:15:35
Would be a bit creepy if if had a massive cheesy grin in a photo he pressumably didn't know was being taken


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: joteddyred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:15:54
1 Matt Ritchie = half a Matt Tubbs. I'm going to bed now and i'm going to wake up tomorrow and it will all hav e been a bad dream.I've got so many questions and fuck all answers. This has been a clusteruck of a day.

When you give an example like that it makes the whole situation even more of a joke.  I can't get my head round it either.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:17:25
What a bunch of panic pussies. Calm the fuck down. This is Swindon town, and this is what we do.

Yep, we are Swindon.... We do what we want.

Which in this case is panic like buggery!!  :D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:19:12
Ok, thanks for that...I suddenly feel a bit better...love to be happy tomorrow.

Err I dont think the stun will be of the nice variety. ( hope you've gone to bed)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: lambourn red on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:19:49
Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA
PA: "Swindon have announced a consortium led by majority shareholder Andrew Black has bought the club, subject to Football League approval."

WTF???????


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LucienSanchez on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:21:14
That's what the Press Association is circulating - ie. incorrect shite.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BruceChatwin on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:22:36
Without quoting, it was something like 'The next 24 hours will stun a few, sometimes you have to swallow a bitter pill to get better'

If we were gonna offload anyone it should have been Collins who we were supposedly offered £300,000 for from Wolves a few days ago. We'll never get better than Ritchie in terms of goal return, assists, shape of the team for under £400,000. We wouldn't get better than him for the £900,000 that is far closer his actual worth.

Nightmarish shambles of bad planning and shoddy decision making.




Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:23:27
Its the old buy yourself out then write of debts to yourself rouse is it. Well I see your game there..


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: lambourn red on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:24:49
The media reporting of this whole shambles is well shambolic


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: joteddyred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:27:55
Without quoting, it was something like 'The next 24 hours will stun a few, sometimes you have to swallow a bitter pill to get better'

That doesn't make sense though.  Why sell one of our best players for far less than he's worth and then fork out money on other players?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:28:43
That doesn't make sense though.  Why sell one of our best players for far less than he's worth and then fork out money on other players?

We wont be, I'm pretty sure today has taught us that.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:29:27
That doesn't make sense though.  Why sell one of our best players for far less than he's worth and then fork out money on other players?

I'm still not sure if Ritchie was THE bitter pill, and whether "stun" is a good thing or a bad thing!

Maybe short term pain, long term gain. I say in hope. But not in this transfer window.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Coca Fola on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:29:44
Reg was right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqUUlBwtKNs


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Quagmire on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:30:26
Who knows... This time tomorrow everything should (hopefully) be clearer, because today as been a fuck up.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: phelpsieboy on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:31:00
Jed mcCrory has made a post on the Banbury forum

Hi guys ... Sorry for delay to reply's ... And apolgise for any inconvenience caused to all i look forward to Friday with all, obviously through media exposure through a third party unknown to myself .. Communications extremly difficult ... I would just ask all to remember I am a football fan at heart with strong believes that all kids should have the opportunities to play football for there home town as you all no i am a Luton Town fan and have lived through the pain of having there club on the brink and hated that feeling.
I would like to say to all who have supported the club since I have been here a huge thank you and to those who have not liked me being here .. Get used to it ...😝.. #putitans has affected me support grass root football @ Banbury Utd ....


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: luckyluke699 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:31:15
That doesn't make sense though.  Why sell one of our best players for far less than he's worth and then fork out money on other players?

Neither did the bit where Sam Morsehead's twitter told us the head of the consortium Andrew Black sold the club to... is Andrew Black??!

1st tweet
Sometimes we get things a bit wrong, this is extraordinary (next tweet is the 1st par of PA copy on #stfc takeover currently on the wire)...

2nd tweet
PA: "Swindon have announced a consortium led by majority shareholder Andrew Black has bought the club, subject to Football League approval."
@SamMorshead_SA

I don't really understand what's gone on (sure we'll find out soon enough) but if we've effectively sold Ritchie for £400k and written off 10+ million of debt as part of the process... that's some good business no matter what your view on the matter!!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:32:42
We wont be, I'm pretty sure today has taught us that.

Stop it, you bugger.  Give me something...I can't even make Saturday now, which is a pisser.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:33:25
Shit you should be in bed..


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:33:52
Right hoping for a better day tomorrow, this has been a day of chaotic bollocks that would do Diamandis proud.

This checking the net for statements and updates is like going back to the happy days of 2006-08


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:33:58
Jed mcCrory has made a post on the Banbury forum

Neville is going to hate him with that grammar :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:34:45
Shit you should be in bed..

Sorry dad. ;)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: hobnob on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:35:14
The main thing is PDC stays, he is the main reason we are where we are.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: suttonred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:35:54
Neville is going to hate him with that grammar :)

Yes made me wonder also. Reads to me though that he's saying he's staying there?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: STFC_Manc on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:36:02
Neither did the bit where Sam Morsehead's twitter told us the head of the consortium Andrew Black sold the club to... is Andrew Black??!

1st tweet
Sometimes we get things a bit wrong, this is extraordinary (next tweet is the 1st par of PA copy on #stfc takeover currently on the wire)...

2nd tweet
PA: "Swindon have announced a consortium led by majority shareholder Andrew Black has bought the club, subject to Football League approval."
@SamMorshead_SA

I don't really understand what's gone on (sure we'll find out soon enough) but if we've effectively sold Ritchie for £400k and written off 10+ million of debt as part of the process... that's some good business no matter what your view on the matter!!

He is saying that some one has fucked up and put that we have been taken over by AB again.  I assume anyway!!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:38:14
Jed mcCrory has made a post on the Banbury forum

Hi guys ... Sorry for delay to reply's ... And apolgise for any inconvenience caused to all i look forward to Friday with all, obviously through media exposure through a third party unknown to myself .. Communications extremly difficult ... I would just ask all to remember I am a football fan at heart with strong believes that all kids should have the opportunities to play football for there home town as you all no i am a Luton Town fan and have lived through the pain of having there club on the brink and hated that feeling.
I would like to say to all who have supported the club since I have been here a huge thank you and to those who have not liked me being here .. Get used to it ...😝.. #putitans has affected me support grass root football @ Banbury Utd ....

Fuck me... And we thought Paolo was incomprehensible... Wheres Nomoreheroes to translate this one?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: joteddyred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:40:46
Perhaps the fact that we've now been taken over and the threat of administration has diminished is supposed to completely overshadow the Ritchie situation?

However there still appears to be some confusion as to who has taken us over? The post from McCrory seems to infer he's staying there. What a shambolic load of crap this has been.

I really ought to go to bed, but I might miss something vital  :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:41:15
Jed mcCrory has made a post on the Banbury forum

Hi guys ... Sorry for delay to reply's ... And apolgise for any inconvenience caused to all i look forward to Friday with all, obviously through media exposure through a third party unknown to myself .. Communications extremly difficult ... I would just ask all to remember I am a football fan at heart with strong believes that all kids should have the opportunities to play football for there home town as you all no i am a Luton Town fan and have lived through the pain of having there club on the brink and hated that feeling.
I would like to say to all who have supported the club since I have been here a huge thank you and to those who have not liked me being here .. Get used to it ...😝.. #putitans has affected me support grass root football @ Banbury Utd ....
hooray, our chairman elect can barely spell


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BruceChatwin on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:45:41

I don't really understand what's gone on (sure we'll find out soon enough) but if we've effectively sold Ritchie for £400k and written off 10+ million of debt as part of the process... that's some good business no matter what your view on the matter!!

So you're saying we basically sold Ritchie for £10,400,000? Club record fee?

 :yay:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BruceChatwin on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:48:58
hooray, our chairman elect can barely spell

Club just waiting for the handprint on the dotted line to dry. God help us.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: luckyluke699 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:49:05
So you're saying we basically sold Ritchie for £10,400,000? Club record fee?

 :yay:

effectively. I'd drive him to Bournemouth for that amount!

Still stunned by the concept that Andrew Black has sold the club to... himself?!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:50:59
Still stunned by the concept that Andrew Black has sold the club to... himself?!

the Press Association are a bunch of fucking cretins and are misreporting it


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: fatbasher on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:52:02
On a positive note the company free bar at the Belfry is going down a storm.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:53:26
Fuck this shitty day. I'm off to bed. Hope tomorrow is better than today.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Notts red on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:53:34
But he's gone quiet on here!!
Nanny MacPhlea: "when you need me but no longer want me I must stay" but " When you want me but no longer need me, I must go " Something like that anyway  :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:55:00
Just heard the SSN presenter saying 'Andrew Black majority shareholder leads the consortium in the take over of Swindon to safe guard the clubs future'...presume this is wrong?!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: luckyluke699 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:55:10
the Press Association are a bunch of fucking cretins and are misreporting it

Originally yes they got it wrong. But then they corrected it to Andrew Black. It really does sound as if he's sold it to a consortium lead by himself and written the debts off in the process...

1st tweet
Sometimes we get things a bit wrong, this is extraordinary (next tweet is the 1st par of PA copy on #stfc takeover currently on the wire)...

2nd tweet
PA: "Swindon have announced a consortium led by majority shareholder Andrew Black has bought the club, subject to Football League approval."


Sod knows why the Ritchie deal had anything to do with this?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:56:01
fucking hell

PA are wrong, they just can't read.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: luckyluke699 on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:56:54
PA are wrong, they just can't read.

You think AB = AF?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: axs on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:57:40
You think AB = AF?

What? They just got it the wrong way round, ab sold, not bought.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: joteddyred on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:58:01
SSN has just reported that a consortium led by majority shareholder Andrew Black has taken over?!!

Surely he can't do that and if so, why all the bollocks about wanting out?

I can't take any more excitement/upset/stress (delete as appropriate)  I'm off to bed!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:58:13
You think AB = AF?

No, PA just read it wrong . Then propagated the wrongness to Sky and other news outlets. Idiots.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, January 30, 2013, 23:59:13
no

PA have read the club statement and misunderstood it because they're useless fucking donkeys

"THE Board of Swindon Town FC are pleased to announce its majority shareholder Andrew Black has today exchanged contracts with a consortium to acquire the Club. Completion of the sale is dependent upon approval from the Football League, which we hope to obtain in the next few days."

so Black has exchanged contracts with the other consortium who are acquiring the club from him


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 00:01:04
No, PA just read it wrong . Then propagated the wrongness to Sky and other news outlets. Idiots.
they will have picked it up from the club and then put it on the wire

other news outlets won't do any kind of research, just report what is on the wire


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 00:03:22
other news outlets won't do any kind of research, just report what is on the wire

That's what I meant by propagated it to other news outlets. PA must have had the same statement we saw and misinterpreted it.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 00:06:33
Confusion on the mind and questions needing to be answered...it's been a long day, bed time and we'll see what tomorrow brings!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: luckyluke699 on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 00:16:32
PA now confirmed consortium lead by Jed mcrory!

Tweeted by Vic Morgan (makes more sense)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 00:27:26
Odd question for the accountants, following the takeover and assuming we do write off the £10m of debt, are we likely to report our largest ever profit as a business in the financial year?  Can't remember if this gets added to the P&L account, because the balance sheet needs adjusting.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 06:54:19
Well after about 3 hours sleep, I'm actually quite looking forward to what today will bring, I've already got the tin hat on, it's going to be interesting for sure.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: JanAageisGod on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 07:48:27
At the moment needing evidence that new consortium press conference will not look like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tvJa5gnkZ4


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 07:56:21
Jed mcCrory has made a post on the Banbury forum

Hi guys ... Sorry for delay to reply's ... And apolgise for any inconvenience caused to all i look forward to Friday with all, obviously through media exposure through a third party unknown to myself .. Communications extremly difficult ... I would just ask all to remember I am a football fan at heart with strong believes that all kids should have the opportunities to play football for there home town as you all no i am a Luton Town fan and have lived through the pain of having there club on the brink and hated that feeling.
I would like to say to all who have supported the club since I have been here a huge thank you and to those who have not liked me being here .. Get used to it ..... #putitans has affected me support grass root football @ Banbury Utd ....

Please God, I hope he doesn't start posting. He can't even spell. This is tin pot. The PA story gave me a shred of hope that this wasn't happening.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 08:01:41
Please God, I hope he doesn't posting. He can't even spell. This is tin pot.
So let me get this right - you are slating him for his poor use of the English language - yes?


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 08:03:46
So let me get this right - you are slating him for his poor use of the English language - yes?

Ha...now corrected. Maybe he was using predictive on his phone too.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bewster on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 08:15:32
Still don't know how comfortable I am with all this. Doesn't fill me with confidence.

But then again being close to Portsmouth I can remember all the eurphoria when Sheik Urwallett bought the club and we all know how that turned out.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 08:20:43
Isn't Marie Saunders Nick Watkins' PA? I'm hoping that colleagues wishing her all the best on her last day at the CG yesterday is co-incidental and a move she'd planned for some time, not related to the take-over.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 08:22:43
just report what is on the wire


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Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 08:28:18
A question - How much realistically would promotion to the Championship be worth to the club? 5-6 million?



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 08:29:50
A question - How much realistically would promotion to the Championship be worth to the club? 5-6 million?


And the rest.... (no, I don't have the figures to hand, but it's a significant jump. Although as with promotion from Champ to Prem, it comes with attendant increased costs too)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 08:33:03
A question - How much realistically would promotion to the Championship be worth to the club? 5-6 million?


Fitton said promotion to the Championship (back in 2010 when we were in the play off final) was worth around £10 million, that was 3 years ago so it could have gone up since then.


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 08:34:21
Then there is the small matter off increased wages to players.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 08:34:56
Isn't Marie Saunders Nick Watkins' PA? I'm hoping that colleagues wishing her all the best on her last day at the CG yesterday is co-incidental and a move she'd planned for some time, not related to the take-over.

That was announced over a month ago. Not related.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LucienSanchez on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 08:35:05
Isn't Marie Saunders Nick Watkins' PA? I'm hoping that colleagues wishing her all the best on her last day at the CG yesterday is co-incidental and a move she'd planned for some time, not related to the take-over.

Yeah, she got a new job, it's unrelated


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 08:35:39
I think I read that Cardiff were something like 93 million in debt, although they look like they are going to get promoted to the championship, but some of these debt I have been reading about are pretty staggering.

Paul, you seem to know your stuff. The unsecured debts of 9-10 million have been written off, but we have a secured debt of 3 million still (if I have read correcly). What does this actually mean? (apologies if this has been covered before but I have only been catching up this morning)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 08:35:56
Then there is the small matter off increased wages to players.

There is no money to be made, ask Bristol City, It's all a fantasy world.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 08:36:45
Yeah, she got a new job, it's unrelated
That's a relief. Nick Watkins would be a significant loss, probably worse than losing Matt Ritchie in the medium term. Hope her new job goes well, must have been a bloody weird last day.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 08:40:04
Paul, you seem to know your stuff. The unsecured debts of 9-10 million have been written off, but we have a secured debt of 3 million still (if I have read correcly). What does this actually mean? (apologies if this has been covered before but I have only been catching up this morning)
I may seem to, but it's just a good impression I assure you. Basically though the difference is that the secured debt is secured against something, like your mortgage is secured against your house. So if you default on your mortgage, you lose your house. Same thing here, except the debt is secured on the ground. Not sure though whether it's owed to the Holding Co (I think it is) or directly to individuals (Arbib and/or Black). SiPie's a better man to ask, he does actually know his stuff on this


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 08:44:25
Sod it. This may turn out to be a disaster, it may just be a bit of a rocky start to what ultimately proves to be one of the most glorious periods in the club's history. Or more likely somewhere in between. But me fretting about it isn't going to make any difference, I'm going back to bed to enjoy my flu!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 08:49:57
Sod it. This may turn out to be a disaster, it may just be a bit of a rocky start to what ultimately proves to be one of the most glorious periods in the club's history. Or more likely somewhere in between. But me fretting about it isn't going to make any difference

A most sensible post.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ginginho on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 08:51:15
Sod it. This may turn out to be a disaster, it may just be a bit of a rocky start to what ultimately proves to be one of the most glorious periods in the club's history. Or more likely somewhere in between. But me fretting about it isn't going to make any difference, I'm going back to bed to enjoy my flu!

Indeed.

Whatever happens today, there's fuck all I can do about it, i've got more important things going on to worry about what happens at a football club :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 09:06:01
I heard a representative of the Oxford English Dictionary has been seen in SN1

Apparently they are excited to have a solid definition of TINPOT


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 09:06:49
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Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 09:29:49
I heard a representative of the Oxford English Dictionary has been seen in SN1

Apparently they are excited to have a solid definition of TINPOT

They would have gone to Oxfordshire and Dorset long before SN1


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bewster on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 09:33:33
Indeed.

Whatever happens today, there's fuck all I can do about it, i've got more important things going on to worry about what happens at a football club :)

oooh what is that like ? Please tell ?  ;D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ronnie21 on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 10:01:00
10 am statement!  Sorry to tell all our loyal supporters - and have to reiterate that your support has been magnificent - but we have fucked you over again!!  However, there is a shaft of light, we have arranged a 10% discount on any new windows you may require!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: slinky on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 10:23:59
The Advertiser understands funds are now available to manager Paolo Di Canio to add to his squad, with any deals expected to be loans.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Benzel on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 10:26:45
The Advertiser understands funds are now available to manager Paolo Di Canio to add to his squad, with any deals expected to be loans.

BUT WHO ELSE WILL BE SOLD TO MAKE THIS FUNDS AVAILABLE?!!?

ERRMERRGERRD


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: welshred on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 10:27:03
The Advertiser understands funds are now available to manager Paolo Di Canio to add to his squad, with any deals expected to be loans.

Yep - Just saw this.

Lets hope its enough to get a decent replacement in. Fingers well and truly crossed.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Paolo69 on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 10:28:09
The Advertiser understands funds are now available to manager Paolo Di Canio to add to his squad, with any deals expected to be loans.

Everything nowadays is "understands". Hopefully the adver has a better "understanding" of this than it did the Richie transfer yesterday afternoon.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: iffy on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 11:09:08
http://zamarettopremierfans.myfanforum.org/Jed_Mccrory_swindon_town_and_Banbury_united_about1058.html


Quote
Good luck to Swindon fans ! expect no investment, alot of empty statements about what the club is doing to do and the supporters charmed by a Irishman with the gift of the gab !


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Benzel on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 11:12:31
I'd like to think they'd be more serious about running an established FL club with NPC aspirations.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 13:22:15
Town chief executive Nick Watkins reveals previous bid for Ritchie from Bournemouth provided significantly less up-front cash despite being larger headline amount. Watkins would not be drawn on his personal future as he said state of club remains more important. Watkins suggested Jed McCrory's consortium consists of around five members, some of whom will be silent partners. Ritchie deal does include a sell-on clause - percentage unclear.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 13:27:41
Ritchie deal does include a sell-on clause - percentage unclear.


Well at least that's something, hopefully it'll be a good amount although in a fire sale I'm not so sure!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 13:28:30
Watkins suggested Jed McCrory's consortium consists of around five members, some of whom will be silent partners.

Translation:
Watkins suggested Jed McCrory's consortium consists of around five members, some of whom are completely minted.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 13:30:25
Everything nowadays is "understands". Hopefully the adver has a better "understanding" of this than it did the Richie transfer yesterday afternoon.
huh? the Adver were right about the Ritchie transfer from the start.


Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA
Watkins suggested Jed McCrory's consortium consists of around five members, some of whom will be silent partners.
https://twitter.com/SamMorshead_SA/status/296969118463188992

can anyone clarify if silent partners can be anonymous?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: welshred on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 13:32:24
Translation:
Watkins suggested Jed McCrory's consortium consists of around five members, some of whom are completely minted.

Lets hope so!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 13:33:07
They will be shareholders of some description, most likely in the new holding co, so it should be possible to fathom who they are from companies house.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 13:53:14
They will be shareholders of some description, most likely in the new holding co, so it should be possible to fathom who they are from companies house.
Not always. Ask Leeds fans who's owned them for the most of the past decade.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: iffy on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 13:58:27
We always knew it was Black, Arbib, Fitton, Wray etc.

I would expect the new consortium to identify themselves in the same way. "Anonymous backers" are an absolute red flag for any football club.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Paolo69 on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 14:04:04
huh? the Adver were right about the Ritchie transfer from the start.


Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA
Watkins suggested Jed McCrory's consortium consists of around five members, some of whom will be silent partners.
https://twitter.com/SamMorshead_SA/status/296969118463188992

can anyone clarify if silent partners can be anonymous?

There was definitely a tweet from Morshead at some point late in the afternoon along the lines of - The adver understands the new owners do not want to sell Richie.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: welshred on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 14:05:18
There was definitely a tweet from Morshead at some point late in the afternoon along the lines of - The adver understands the new owners do not want to sell Richie.

I don't think anybody wanted him to go. Was just an unfortunate necessity.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bogus Dave on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 14:05:30
huh? the Adver were right about the Ritchie transfer from the start.


Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA
Watkins suggested Jed McCrory's consortium consists of around five members, some of whom will be silent partners.
https://twitter.com/SamMorshead_SA/status/296969118463188992

can anyone clarify if silent partners can be anonymous?

Nah, Mimes.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 14:06:54
There was definitely a tweet from Morshead at some point late in the afternoon along the lines of - The adver understands the new owners do not want to sell Richie.
Which was probably a piece of misdirection from Jed the Double Glazing Salesman. i.e. "We don't want to sell Matt Ritchie (but [several hours later] we understand why the current board feel they have had to)"


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: hobnob on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 14:09:03
We always knew it was Black, Arbib, Fitton, Wray etc.

I would expect the new consortium to identify themselves in the same way. "Anonymous backers" are an absolute red flag for any football club.
How can the FA do their checks if the people they are checking up on are anonymous silent partners?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 14:10:52
How can the FA do their checks if the people they are checking up on are anonymous silent partners?
 

They probably released the names to the FA under confidentiality/NDA


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Simon Pieman on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 14:27:18
Silent partners just means they are investors but will not manage the running of the business.

It doesn't mean they have to or wish to remain anonymous.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: iffy on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 14:32:54
How can the FA do their checks if the people they are checking up on are anonymous silent partners?

Because the FA are jokers
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/15241344


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Simon Pieman on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 14:36:07
I may seem to, but it's just a good impression I assure you. Basically though the difference is that the secured debt is secured against something, like your mortgage is secured against your house. So if you default on your mortgage, you lose your house. Same thing here, except the debt is secured on the ground. Not sure though whether it's owed to the Holding Co (I think it is) or directly to individuals (Arbib and/or Black). SiPie's a better man to ask, he does actually know his stuff on this


I feel there is a lot of conjecture in the press, which may or may not accurately reflect the situation as it stands but I get the feeling snippets of information are getting read/fed to people and muddying the reality. For example, the figure of £3m in secured debts which is currently being thrown about – it’s not the correct amount as far as I can see and is also causing confusion as to what it is and whether it’s on top of £9m/£12m or whatever amount people are quoting.

I also think the majority of debts which are to be written off lie in the holding company and not in the football club. i.e. £9m has been borrowed by the holding company (money probably from Black but can’t tell) which has been used to buy shares in the football club and also lend it around £7m.  The reason this makes sense is so that the only related-party debts (owed to and from companies/people with an interest in the club) at the very point of purchase should be between the football club and the holding company.

I’m going to post a complete summary of company ownership, structure, debts due to and from for both the holding co and the football club. I’ll try and do it in as non-technical as possible so people can actually understand it.

I won’t be able to post this until later this evening as it takes some time.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Paolo69 on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 15:12:27
Which was probably a piece of misdirection from Jed the Double Glazing Salesman. i.e. "We don't want to sell Matt Ritchie (but [several hours later] we understand why the current board feel they have had to)"

Neither of us have any idea where it came from in reality. All i know is i went home from work relieved when Richie when in actual fact Richie was in his motor on his way to Bournemouth.

For that i'm entitled to be a little pissed off with the adver, although i realise none of this is actually their fault.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bumpkin on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 15:13:15
If anyone wants to ring Jed -- his number and email address is on his LinkedIn page


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 15:15:35
Can't even spell his own fucking name.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 15:17:21
Neither of us have any idea where it came from in reality. All i know is i went home from work relieved when Richie when in actual fact Richie was in his motor on his way to Bournemouth.

For that i'm entitled to be a little pissed off with the adver, although i realise none of this is actually their fault.
Same as I breathed a little easier when I saw Di Canio laughing off the idea we'd had any offers for Ritchie much less that we'd accept them a couple of days ago. We've both been done, mate, do you want to cry on my shoulder first or can I cry on yours?  :cry: :cry:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 15:29:13
If anyone wants to ring Jed -- his number and email address is on his LinkedIn page

Maybe we can call him to do a beer/curry night like he did at Banbury?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jimmy_onions on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 15:31:00
I find it a bit worrying that he has a linkedin account at all, you would kind of hope the guy already has all the contacts he needs.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 15:34:11
hopefully he won't be involved in any web design...

http://jedmccoy.wix.com/streets-radio#!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 15:38:39
hopefully he won't be involved in any web design...

http://jedmccoy.wix.com/streets-radio#!

Full of business ideas.  Lots of directorships.  Likes to talk, meet & greet.  Gift of the gab.  Enjoys the limelight.  But still feels a teensy-weensy bit small time.

Sorry folks...but I'm getting Rikki Hunt flashbacks.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 16:20:08
Silent partners just means they are investors but will not manage the running of the business.

It doesn't mean they have to or wish to remain anonymous.

They could be mute.... we haven't considered this!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BruceChatwin on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 16:24:38
hopefully he won't be involved in any web design...

http://jedmccoy.wix.com/streets-radio#!

I find that website quite scary if indicative of the care and attention he gives to his business ventures. The mission statement has that slight 'something's not quite right upstairs' hint of the clumsy ellipses filled missive he sent off to Banbury fans yesterday.

"Streets Radio is  a station for you literally the  streets of Great Britain , it is the opportunity  for  the streets you live in to show Great Britain  the style of music you play whilst also learning to produce and stage shows in the future.
Streets is a non-profit making organisation's  with all funds raised in youre area being donated  to local youth houses to aid the up bringing of the youth of today"

Reads like something dictated in the voice of Rick Wakeman to a blind tamarin on a calculator.

I also don't feel easy being taken over by someone who uses a personal yahoo account as their company's business address. Added to the fact it's a free website...(ellipses ellipses ellipses)  :(


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 16:24:53
hopefully he won't be involved in any web design...

http://jedmccoy.wix.com/streets-radio#!
Does anyone else find it really quite worrying that he seems to spell his surname a number of different ways? Once on this twitter account, well, could be a mistake, could be his real name was taken, could be a rip-off account, but this is another instance, starting to become a trend. Adds to the pile of "things that just do not smell good round all this" IMO. I look forward to being wrong

http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/8861320.Laurence_Bassini_was_Bazini_before_bankruptcy/


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: random_five on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 16:26:45
Does anyone else find it really quite worrying that he seems to spell his surname a number of different ways? Once on this twitter account, well, could be a mistake, could be his real name was taken, could be a rip-off account, but this is another instance, starting to become a trend. Adds to the pile of "things that just do not smell good round all this" IMO. I look forward to being wrong

http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/8861320.Laurence_Bassini_was_Bazini_before_bankruptcy/

Don't worry Paul it'll be alright


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LucienSanchez on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 16:27:02
His LinkedIn is different too... weird, shady, or dyslexic?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 16:27:28
Don't worry Paul it'll be alright
Cheers mate feel much better now :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 16:35:56
Cheers mate feel much better now :)
[url width=325 height=203]http://i.imgur.com/ZmIxUBG.gif[/url]


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Samdy Gray on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 16:45:39
Does anyone else find it really quite worrying that he seems to spell his surname a number of different ways? Once on this twitter account, well, could be a mistake, could be his real name was taken, could be a rip-off account, but this is another instance, starting to become a trend. Adds to the pile of "things that just do not smell good round all this" IMO. I look forward to being wrong

http://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/8861320.Laurence_Bassini_was_Bazini_before_bankruptcy/

His directorships are all under the name of Gerard Martin McCrory, which would appear to be his 'official' name. It's clear that he likes to go by the name of Jed, but no idea about the McCrory/McCoy thing.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 16:50:36
  It would appear that Jed UPVC...is going to have to go some to allay fears that he's not a fit and proper person to be running our club...can The Duke of Banbury throw any light on the situation?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 16:50:55
[url width=325 height=203]http://i.imgur.com/ZmIxUBG.gif[/url]
What a totally random GIF ???


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: red sheldon on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 17:33:41
Does this mean that we may get a nice conservatory instead of the Town End??


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 18:43:05
Does this mean that we may get a nice conservatory instead of the Town End??
Maybe they could put plexi-glass up and make the County Ground like an ice-hockey arena!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 19:04:16
Maybe they could put plexi-glass up and make the County Ground like an ice-hockey arena!
Might be a bit risky with our manager!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 19:04:40
Might be a bit risky with our manager!
assistant manager!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 19:12:00
assistant manager!
Oops, sorry!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Red Frog on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 19:15:36
assistant manager!

Goalkeeping coach.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Whits on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 20:22:21
the way PDC smiles when hes asked if hes met the new owners makes me think its gotta be someone he knows..


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 20:24:04
Maybe Jedward offered Ritchie in exchange for the perspex we owed the Muff. 


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: woolster on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 20:25:51
Does this mean that we may get a nice conservatory instead of the Town End??
NO, boremuff get ritchie and a new plexi glass dugout :cry:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: tans on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 20:27:12
the way PDC smiles when hes asked if hes met the new owners makes me think its gotta be someone he knows..

My thoughts too


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Sharpe on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 20:35:45
If they install some double glazing, maybe the value of our club will increase.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 20:39:10
My thoughts too

Indeed, he has never been one to tow the party line. The fact that he was ranting and climbing the walls when we all thought things were fine and rosy in the garden and now seems a little chilled does calm me a bit.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 20:45:35
My thoughts too
I'd written the same on my summary of the radio broadcast.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: corner on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 20:47:20
Indeed, he has never been one to tow the party line. The fact that he was ranting and climbing the walls when we all thought things were fine and rosy in the garden and now seems a little chilled does calm me a bit.
I reckon it's gotta be something todo with phil spencer, he's into property to.....


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Barry Scott on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 21:00:23
My thoughts too

Out of that whole interview, that smile was the thing that allayed my fears the most. Paolo is incredibly calm, which is not normal, so clearly he has no fears.

If someone with more pent up drama than a closet gay in an all male drama school can keep his calm, something's right behind the scenes. I'm more than a little happy that all is well.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 22:33:42
Out of that whole interview, that smile was the thing that allayed my fears the most. Paolo is incredibly calm, which is not normal, so clearly he has no fears.

If someone with more pent up drama than a closet gay in an all male drama school can keep his calm, something's right behind the scenes. I'm more than a little happy that all is well.
He wouldn't be much good at poker would he? There's no way he hasn't met the prospective owners. Whether or not they include AF and/or JW is anyone's guess.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 23:03:18
Paolo and Phil Spencer as the silent partners? We seem such a soap opera I'd believe anything these days.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 23:08:14
Paolo and Phil Spencer as the silent partners? We seem such a soap opera I'd believe anything these days.
Agents aren't allowed to own football clubs or parts of companies that do


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: red sheldon on Thursday, January 31, 2013, 23:12:59
I thonk that if Fitton and Wray were involved it would have come out by now, as it would help to get the fans onside and supportive of the new regime particularly after the Ritchie 'incident'


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, February 1, 2013, 00:10:46
Let's wait and see. The previous consortium knew very little about running a football club of our size too, I won't be besmirching the new lot until I:

a) Know more about them.
b) We definitely can work out they're a group of 'chancers'
c) They fuck up.

It appears they've probably prevented us from dropping out of the football league (at least for the time being). Their financial clout beyond this is of concern but isn't the be all and end all. We're supposed to become self-sustaining at some point right?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: red socks on Friday, February 1, 2013, 00:37:07
the way PDC smiles when hes asked if hes met the new owners makes me think its gotta be someone he knows..

It's Harry Redknap  - that's why we flogged richie to Bournemouth  :D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Friday, February 1, 2013, 10:07:48
In the "Be careful what you wish for" column, for all those hoping we'd get taken over by oil-rich Arabs, well that was supposedly what happened to Forest, except it rather seems if they do have money, they're not quite so keen on spending it at Forest as they may have led many, including their new manager Alex McCleish, to believe. Which is apparently what lay behind yesterday's George Boyd eye test fiasco. And it was being strongly rumoured last night that McCleish had walked as a result. Which the club are denying, it has to be said

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/feb/01/nottingham-forest-alex-mcleish

Oh dear


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, February 1, 2013, 10:20:41
so relieved that we're being takeover by some local, British, down to earth double-glazing salesmen


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RobertT on Friday, February 1, 2013, 10:23:12
Was the incorrect spelling of Boyd in the sentence about his eye sight done on purpose?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Friday, February 1, 2013, 10:24:55
so relieved that we're being takeover by some local, British, down to earth double-glazing salesmen
Having endured the local "dream team" of Wills and Diamandis, I wasn't making a petty nationalist point. Just been slightly alarmed by some of the "Hope it's some rich Arabs" posts we've seen on here of late and thought this was a salient example of why that isn't necessarily guaranteed all good either. I'd have hoped Portsmouth would have shown that, apparently not.

Hopefully what the last week or so has taught us is that the fat cat benefactor model of ownership isn't really sustainable any more.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RobertT on Friday, February 1, 2013, 10:27:02
Do you think some of these clubs are unwittingly part of a long in development series from the BBC for a new twist on The Hustle?  If so, I'll watch it.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, February 1, 2013, 10:35:33
Having endured the local "dream team" of Wills and Diamandis, I wasn't making a petty nationalist point. Just been slightly alarmed by some of the "Hope it's some rich Arabs" posts we've seen on here of late and thought this was a salient example of why that isn't necessarily guaranteed all good either. I'd have hoped Portsmouth would have shown that, apparently not.

Hopefully what the last week or so has taught us is that the fat cat benefactor model of ownership isn't really sustainable any more.
wasn't a remark aimed at you, more a comment on how far away from rich Sheikhs we really are...whether this is good or not, we'll soon find out.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Friday, February 1, 2013, 10:40:58
wasn't a remark aimed at you, more a comment on how far away from rich Sheikhs we really are...whether this is good or not, we'll soon find out.
If we could find some guys who have just enough to underwrite the wage bill while they get the club on a more sustainable footing, I'd be delighted. Then maybe we could break this constant dependence on the whims of rich individuals who toss us aside as soon as they get bored and constantly leaves us one bad owner away from being right back in the shit. And actually start to build something more solid. Sadly that was what I think Fitton and Co initially planned on doing and it just didn't work out.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: animalwilliams on Friday, February 1, 2013, 10:46:18
Makes you almost wish we could go back to the old days of a board made up of local small business men. Wilf Castle the baker, Eric Lane the butcher and Cecil Green the painter and decorator.
Can well remember the Town End in full voice inviting Mr Castle to go to Vietnam.l


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, February 1, 2013, 10:58:44
If we could find some guys who have just enough to underwrite the wage bill while they get the club on a more sustainable footing, I'd be delighted. Then maybe we could break this constant dependence on the whims of rich individuals who toss us aside as soon as they get bored and constantly leaves us one bad owner away from being right back in the shit. And actually start to build something more solid. Sadly that was what I think Fitton and Co initially planned on doing and it just didn't work out.

Spot on Paul and what I alluded to in my post.

Fitton & Co were great and they had the right idea. But as soon as Fitton walked that idea went out of the window. Some blame di Canio but his spending has been sanctioned and in fairness to him, he's hinted the club needs to spend on infrastructure (such as youth development) to sustain long term success.

I think we almost became a boom or bust club (chasing the Championship) and as soon as Black decided enough was enough it has screwed us over in the last month or two.

My main concern is surrounding the long term goals of the new owners and how they will achieve it (redevelopment etc.). It'll be very interesting to know what has happened/will happen with the County Ground lease for example. I think we need some 'boring' off field shake ups to support the exciting stuff happening on the pitch.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: moredonboy on Friday, February 1, 2013, 11:19:03
rare poster here!
Very concerned about the FL approval - especially after reading about Luton's experience
Jed McCrory seems to be director of many small private companies - see list below
They are all recent starts and most have filed no accounts (probably because they are so young)
If he does not have some seriously rich partners, I cannot see deal going through - I am sad to say.

Director Summary

Gerard Martin McCrory has 21 current or previous company director or secretary appointments.

Short name - Gerard McCrory
Director ID : 908185233
Year of Birth: 1970


    
Company Summary

Company Name   Company Status   
TOUCH BAR CARDIFF LTD   Active   
TOUCH NORTH LTD   Active   
TOUCH CENTRAL LTD   Active   
TOUCH SOUTH LTD   Active   
TOUCH PROPERTY LTD   Active   
ORDICIUM SPORT SOLUTIONS LIMITED   Active   
ORDICIUM MARKETING LIMITED   Active   
BANBURY UNITED FC LIMITED   Active   
ORDICIUM LIMITED   Active   
ENVIRO SEALED WINDOWS UK LIMITED   Active   
ORBIS INDICIUM LIMITED   Active   
TOUCH LEISURE LIMITED   Active    (Director Resigned 11/01/2013)
ORDICIUM LIMITED   Active    (Director Resigned 01/01/2012)
GLOBAL DATA SECURITY LIMITED   Dissolved   
ENVIRO SEALED WINDOW SYSTEMS LTD   Dissolved   
FAN CLOTHING LIMITED   Dissolved   
THE COMPLETE DOOR COMPANY LTD   Dissolved   
WARM EDGE HOLDINGS LTD   Dissolved   
HARRY NASH CLOTHING LIMITED   Dissolved   
NBW GLASS LIMITED   Dissolved   
PRETORIA TRADES LIMITED   Dissolved    (Director Resigned 22/12/2009)
  


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 1, 2013, 11:34:46
I know its all public domain stuff but might not be a great idea posting his address on an open forum.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: moredonboy on Friday, February 1, 2013, 11:42:02
Thanks Peter - have removed the address - I hope

Funny thing is his street address is spelt in two different ways all over the place (companies house, websites etc.)
They are company addresses so maybe he doesn't actually live there? think he does though.

Thanks again - due diligence seems to be the way forward?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, February 1, 2013, 11:44:41
he can't spell his name right on consecutive occasions so not surprised by the address


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 1, 2013, 11:46:00
he can't spell his name right on consecutive occasions so not surprised by the address
:D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Friday, February 1, 2013, 11:46:00
Thanks Peter - have removed the address - I hope

Funny thing is his street address is spelt in two different ways all over the place (companies house, websites etc.)
They are company addresses so maybe he doesn't actually live there? think he does though.

Thanks again - due diligence seems to be the way forward?

A bit like his name, then.   :)

No word from Banbers lately.  I wonder if he's going to the fans' event at Banbury United this evening.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, February 1, 2013, 12:07:13
This has no relevance to the F&P test.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 1, 2013, 12:48:23
Thanks Peter - have removed the address - I hope

Funny thing is his street address is spelt in two different ways all over the place (companies house, websites etc.)
They are company addresses so maybe he doesn't actually live there? think he does though.

Thanks again - due diligence seems to be the way forward?


I am more than willing to be shot down but I wouldn't place too much weight on the number of Directorships, in many lines of business you keep different investments separate so that could explain that.

I am still not pushing the panic button although the lack of information is pissing me off, for a couple of reasons:

Paolo seemed genuinely upbeat and happy. Considering how pissed off he was the other week when we didn't know what was going on with cash I take it as a positive that he thinks he can work with these people.

The groundsman guy who posts on here and twatter and I would suspect knows at least a little more than we do also seems positive.

Not saying its going to be smooth, but would rather base mood on people who have some information rather than completely random hand wringing.

However I reserve the right to change my opinion and start running around clutching my head screaming and panicing at any point I choose in the future.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 1, 2013, 13:25:35
Morshead seems to have suggested on Twatter that sale of club could finally go through next week, possibly Thursday, no idea where that has come from though.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 1, 2013, 13:28:38
Morshead seems to have suggested on twitter that sale of club could finally go through next week, possibly Thursday, no idea where that has come from though.

Isn't that just the opening of the loan window and wishful thinking?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, February 1, 2013, 13:28:52
Morshead seems to have suggested on twitter that sale of club could finally go through next week, possibly Thursday, no idea where that has come from though.

Next Thursday co-incidentally is when the emergency window swings open.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Friday, February 1, 2013, 13:29:57
Seems like a couple of his dissolved businesses have miraculously reincarnated themselves in slightly different names and still trading.

Mmmmmmm


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RobertT on Friday, February 1, 2013, 13:34:57
Don't know why everyone is spending so much time researching Jed, I thought the initial reports suggested he wasn't the money behind this deal, just the name that got thrown to the media feeding frenzy.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: bobby barnes jink on Friday, February 1, 2013, 13:35:57
Next Thursday co-incidentally is when the emergency window swings open.

Why do they slam the transfer window shut only to open it again a week later? You'd think they'd just leave it ajar.

I hate all this shit. Reading that interview with Matt Ritchie made me feel physically sick. That bloke has shown nothing but focus and loyalty despite constant attention from suitors and we basically ask him to leave.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, February 1, 2013, 13:37:00
Don't know why everyone is spending so much time researching Jed

probably because he's the only name we've got so far?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RobertT on Friday, February 1, 2013, 13:37:35
I don't think he was asked, more like presented with the Bournemouth contract and a pen in a QPR boardroom style from a few years ago.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RobertT on Friday, February 1, 2013, 13:38:26
probably because he's the only name we've got so far?

I know, but he's not the one who'll be under the FL rigour I doubt.  They'll be checking the purse strings to make sure they aren't made of cheap cotton.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, February 1, 2013, 13:38:59
Can anyone shed light on why "Ged"'s involvement in the takeover of Luton failed? Could give us a clue to next week's outcome (or not).


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Mplanney on Friday, February 1, 2013, 13:41:26
Not that it make a lot of difference now, I was told by somebody with close connections to Black that he was pulling out and was told this a least a year ago, think it was last January, (I was told not to tell anyone as they would know where it came from).  Although at this stage i was a little concerned i did not even realise he the majority shareholder for some reason i though it was Arib.  As time went on to the summer i heard nothing was metioned so presumed he'd changed his mind or been pursuaded otherwise.

The only reason i telling now is so people realise he was looking to get out a long time ago, so although this takeover looks to have happened fast, it proabably been a long drawn out time, maybe with not much happening for Black, who was still putting money in.  
Therefore this makes his deadline of no more investing look a lot more reasonable.

I would also presume Fitton and Wray would have been aware of Black wanting to leave, therefore can't possible see them as part of the takeover as some suggest as surely if they had the means it would have been sorted long ago.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, February 1, 2013, 13:43:39
If this isn't going to be over and done with until next thursday I may have to take an internet holiday.  Could someone wake me up if there is any actual news rather than just speculation and opinion?  Ta.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Mplanney on Friday, February 1, 2013, 13:46:54
If this isn't going to be over and done with until next thursday I may have to take an internet holiday.  Could someone wake me up if there is any actual news rather than just speculation and opinion?  Ta.

I know what you mean, just remember back to the day when you just check the Evening Advertiser (paper edition) for the Swindon news once a day if that, now feel the need for a update every 30 seconds


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, February 1, 2013, 13:50:31
Don't know why everyone is spending so much time researching Jed, I thought the initial reports suggested he wasn't the money behind this deal, just the name that got thrown to the media feeding frenzy.

Yep agree with you.

I reckon McCrory is probably the new chairman.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 1, 2013, 13:54:21
I have a feeling that after all of this the new owners will try and persuade JW to come back to the club in some capacity to calm the fans nerves and Paolos too.

That would make sense, that is of course if JW wants to return and even gets on with the new board.

I know its conjecture but thats what I would do in McCrory's position, try and instill some kind of stability and people with prior knowledge of the club.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Mplanney on Friday, February 1, 2013, 13:54:36
Yep agree with you.

I reckon McCrory is probably the new chairman.

Will McCroy be at Crawley on Saturday, if have to see who he's sat next to, although I haven't a clue what McCroy looks like


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Red Frog on Friday, February 1, 2013, 13:58:34
And while we're speculating, in the absence of any actual information, I wonder if the main reason for the last lot pulling out was the failure to move the development agenda forward with SBC, since that's where the moneymaking opportunity lies. They wouldn't be the first.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, February 1, 2013, 14:20:36
And while we're speculating, in the absence of any actual information, I wonder if the main reason for the last lot pulling out was the failure to move the development agenda forward with SBC, since that's where the moneymaking opportunity lies. They wouldn't be the first.

I was wondering that as well actually. I reckon we are never going to be able to develop the ground.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 1, 2013, 14:24:46
I wonder what Terry Brady is doing now, he was one of the first that leapt out when planning permission was denied.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, February 1, 2013, 15:05:26
Black's lost a lot of wealth recently and I don't think his ventures are making him any money. Probably more to do with that.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Friday, February 1, 2013, 15:22:00
Will McCroy be at Crawley on Saturday, if have to see who he's sat next to, although I haven't a clue what McCroy looks like

Look out for a double glazing sales man, then you've got your man!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Friday, February 1, 2013, 15:57:56
Will McCroy be at Crawley on Saturday, if have to see who he's sat next to, although I haven't a clue what McCroy looks like

He's short, bearded and wears a red cape.

Will probably be heard saying 'You buy one, you get one free'!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, February 1, 2013, 16:08:10
I wonder what Terry Brady is doing now, he was one of the first that leapt out when planning permission was denied.

To be fair to SBC, Brady and his consortium...ie Donegan and Blatchley wanted preferred developer status on housing in Swindon, which SBC were prepared to do in return for a new ground, but they also wanted SBC to provide infrastructure for thier houses which was beyond their remit....that's when Brady jumped. Donegan and Blatchley then hung about like a stink until SSW claimed the club back.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, February 1, 2013, 16:09:46
Here's an interlude

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh9ZZgDqzAg


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, February 1, 2013, 18:53:12
Significant news is due apparently.

I can't find the twitter thread for some reason........


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: tans on Friday, February 1, 2013, 18:56:31
Significant news is due apparently.

I can't find the twitter thread for some reason........

Check my last rt


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Friday, February 1, 2013, 18:57:21
Gary Lawrence ‏@gazzaloz
Look out on @swindonadver website, could be some significant news regarding #stfc in the next hour.
 Retweeted by Swindon Advertiser


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: DRS on Friday, February 1, 2013, 18:58:30
Joy


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Friday, February 1, 2013, 18:58:48
And that was an hour ago


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 1, 2013, 18:59:05
Significant news is due apparently.

I can't find the twitter thread for some reason........

Uh-oh,......please be good, please be good, please be good.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Friday, February 1, 2013, 18:59:37
Toys and pram at the ready...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: reeves4england on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:00:04
He only said "could be"...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Dozno9 on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:00:07
I 'could' do a lot of things.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Dozno9 on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:00:32
So close.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:00:43
Somebody just tweeted RIP Swindon, charming


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Jamiesfuturewife on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:02:25
Crazy thought but maybe they were trying to be mildly amusing?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:02:25
Please be good news...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:04:34
My hand is hovering over the panic button.

Maybe I should get the vodka ready to drown my sorrows.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:10:24
Gets better and better.


http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/swindontown/news/10202596.Di_Canio_considering_his_position_at_Swindon_Town/


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BruceChatwin on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:10:48
Di Canio considering position.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:11:33
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Dozno9 on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:12:32
Hardly a shock is it.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:12:42
Di Canio considering position.
Pure guesswork.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bedford Red on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:13:32
Pure guesswork.

http://m.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/sport/10202596.Di_Canio_considering_his_position_at_Swindon_Town/

Sadly not


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:14:02
http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/swindontown/news/10202596.Di_Canio_considering_his_position_at_Swindon_Town/


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:14:27
Hardly a surprise really. Hope he doesn't go but get the feeling this has now gone too far for him. He sounds proper fed up and pissed off in that statement.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BruceChatwin on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:14:58
At least the statement sheds a lot more light on what's been going on behind the scenes. Doesn't sound good.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LucienSanchez on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:15:15
Right... Jed needs to go on a charm offensive and reassure him. If he hasn't sat down with the new fellas already, they ought to make that happen fucking sharpish.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:15:30
Hardly a surprise really. Hope he doesn't go but get the feeling this has now gone too far for him. He sounds proper fed up and pissed off in that statement.

Reading it, I don't blame him!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: tans on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:16:41
Fucking marvellous


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Riddick on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:17:36
Bit confused here.

Black sold Ritchie as the take over is still to be concluded. New owners said they wouldn't sell him but wasn't their decision yet.

The new owners aren't supplying funds until the club is theirs (dont blame them for that in case it doesn't go through)

The FL blocked transfers as takeover not complete. Unless there was a different reason the FL didn't agree these moves.

Hardly surprising from PDC but not sure it all makes sense.

Need something from the new owners now to convince him to stay and to the fans


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: DiV on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:18:36
Gets better and better.


http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/sport/swindontown/news/10202596.Di_Canio_considering_his_position_at_Swindon_Town/

He is a committed, dedicated, gives everything, ambitious man with a strong desire and will to win and better himself.

He deserves better than our shambles of a club.

I think he will be gone and I can't blame him.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:19:58
The way I see it; Paolo wanted to vent and he doesn't have a chairman to vent at, so he does it in public. Maybe he's trying to force someone's hand, he's done it before.

All in all though, a pretty shit week for the club.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:20:33
Problem is nothing can progress until the FA pull their fat fucking fingers out of their arses and approve our take over. The longer they take over this, the more fucked up our club will be in the long run. First no transfers, now Di Canio considering position. Cunts


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:21:45
I think it's fair to say there isn't a much worse way the new guys could have come in to take control.

Selling our best player for peanuts and in doing so seemingly forcing out the best manager we've had in decades.

Not exactly gone well has it?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: red sheldon on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:21:52
Well this is a complete disaster, we've lurched from one thing to the next over the last couple of weeks.  I think from PDC's comment that you can almost certainly be sure that Fitton & Wray are not involved in the consortium though


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: corner on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:23:51
Read this on twitter.

@keifer74: @Smith_Creative well one has to make sound investments and STFC is one! How's the French?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Gnasher on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:24:01
What a mess. Paolo's threatened to resign before, but I can see why he's so upset. Jedward might want to stay clear of Swindon for a while.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:24:19
I think it's fair to say there isn't a much worse way the new guys could have come in to take control.

Selling our best player for peanuts and in doing so seemingly forcing out the best manager we've had in decades.

Not exactly gone well has it?

Correct me if i'm wrong but i'm fairly sure it wasn't the new owners decision to sell Ritchie.

I'd guess they aren't having any involvement until it's approved.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:24:44
Is anyone out at Banbury tonight? We need answers.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:26:30
Correct me if i'm wrong but i'm fairly sure it wasn't the new owners decision to sell Ritchie.

I'd guess they aren't having any involvement until it's approved.

I read it as it was a case of the takeover wouldn't happen if he didn't go, kind of an agreement between the two owners to tide the club over between them.

Both parties at fault IMO.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BruceChatwin on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:27:12
Correct me if i'm wrong but i'm fairly sure it wasn't the new owners decision to sell Ritchie.

I'd guess they aren't having any involvement until it's approved.

Ritchie seemed to suggest his being sold was at the new owners demand. Came out like a freudian slip he tried to backtrack on.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: red sheldon on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:27:22
the original statement said the sale was agreed by both old and new members of the board didn't it


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:30:33
The worst bit for me is the prospect of going from a club owned by multi-millionaire astute businessmen with a world renowned manager, to a club owned by a double glazing salesman and his mates with a lower league has-been for a manager.

The sooner we find out who this consortium is, the better.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Langers on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:31:43
The worst bit for me is the prospect of going from a club owned by multi-millionaire astute businessmen with a world renowned manager, to a club owned by a double glazing salesman and his mates with a lower league has-been for a manager.

The sooner we find out who this consortium is, the better.

This. It would be such a shame to waste the last 18 months.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:33:24
I'm preparing my CV as we speak.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BruceChatwin on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:36:16
This. It would be such a shame to waste the last 18 months.

My feeling too. Seem like we're undoing all the good work in two panic-striken days and all good sense is going out the window. The worst feeling is that if it could have been so much better planned and executed by a board who had so far been so professional in that regard.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Gnasher on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:37:05
the original statement said the sale was agreed by both old and new members of the board didn't it

Either way, it sounds like the new board made a promise to PDC and then broke it, almost immediately. Can't blame him if he walks.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: DiV on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:38:06
The worst bit for me is the prospect of going from a club owned by multi-millionaire astute businessmen with a world renowned manager, to a club owned by a double glazing salesman and his mates with a lower league has-been for a manager.

The sooner we find out who this consortium is, the better.

Indeed.

The worst thing is the (potentially) regression in ambition.

Being a run of the mill lower league club going no where just isn't the same.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:39:51
The worst bit for me is the prospect of going from a club owned by multi-millionaire astute businessmen with a world renowned manager, to a club owned by a double glazing salesman and his mates with a lower league has-been for a manager.

The sooner we find out who this consortium is, the better.

This. It's beginning to feel reminiscent of the pre-Fitton days.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Boy About Town on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:43:07
Perhaps the money simply isn't there with the new owners who infact have little money if none whatsoever?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: janaage on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:45:26
Agree with Samdy, but surely the new owners have the funds to help progress the club?

If not it'd be like me going out and buying a Ferrari. I could probably afford the monthly payments but not to run the motor.

Very worrying times.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:46:34
The worst bit for me is the prospect of going from a club owned by multi-millionaire astute businessmen with a world renowned manager, to a club owned by a double glazing salesman and his mates with a lower league has-been for a manager.

The sooner we find out who this consortium is, the better.

Or worse, a consortium unable to even service costs. Or no takeover whatsoever. SNAFU.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: dave_bambers_right_sock on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:47:28
Can someone clarify what would happen if the FL don't approve the 'new owners'


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:48:53
Can someone clarify what would happen if the FL don't approve the 'new owners'

Yes, find new owners within the next few weeks or administration


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BruceChatwin on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:49:26
Can someone clarify what would happen if the FL don't approve the 'new owners'

We survive off the Ritchie money until someone else steps in/ we run out. Black stays at the helm but puts no more money in. In that respect, the sale makes sense. Guarantees immediate future whatever happens.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: moredonboy on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:49:55
Boy about town
I do suspect that the potential new owners do not have enough capital to even start running our club
If they don't (and I pray they do) then the FL will not OK the sale
if this is a cock-up it is the current board who are responsible


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Gnasher on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:50:15
Agree with Samdy, but surely the new owners have the funds to help progress the club?

If not it'd be like me going out and buying a Ferrari. I could probably afford the monthly payments but not to run the motor.

Very worrying times.

Yeah, but you could sell your mum's house and use the money to make a few monthly payments. Then dump it when the money runs out.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Boy About Town on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:50:51
Perhaps Black needs to have a 'change in heart', anyone have his address?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:52:17
Perhaps Black needs to have a 'change in heart', anyone have his address?

You think a strongly worded letter writing campaign will help?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Boy About Town on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:53:51
You think a strongly worded letter writing campaign will help?

Just a friendly visit, chat over a cuppa, anyone have a 4x4 to plough through his front gates?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:55:00
We need a hard hitting tee shirt campaign.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 1, 2013, 19:57:26
Just a friendly visit, chat over a cuppa, anyone have a 4x4 to plough through his front gates?

It a good job we know you are joking, because believe it or not OB have been know to pay members of the forum a visit before now. Yes they have nothing better to do.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Boy About Town on Friday, February 1, 2013, 20:01:43
It a good job we know you are joking, because believe it or not OB have been know to pay members of the forum a visit before now. Yes they have nothing better to do.

Disclaimer: For the attention of the plod, my last post was just a joke, I am not yet searching for my balaclava, I hope you are not to overrun out on the streets stopping real crime to not be reading this post.

As I type why is there a ghetto bird in the sky what are all these nice and bright red lasers shining through my blinds?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BruceChatwin on Friday, February 1, 2013, 20:02:08
We need a hard hitting tee shirt campaign.

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Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: dave_bambers_right_sock on Friday, February 1, 2013, 20:06:31
Banbury United Fc ‏@BanburyUnitedFC

@JedMcCoy states he is committed to club. Unable to talk much about role at Swindon due to non disclosure agreement.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BruceChatwin on Friday, February 1, 2013, 20:07:48
Banbury United Fc ‏@BanburyUnitedFC

@JedMcCoy states he is committed to club. Unable to talk much about role at Swindon due to non disclosure agreement.

Does he have a non-disclosure agreement with Paolo as well?

(if not he should fuck off out of his press conference and pull his finger out)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: dave_bambers_right_sock on Friday, February 1, 2013, 20:10:09
have no Idea just posting what's on twatter


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: tans on Friday, February 1, 2013, 21:21:09
Cant help but think black sold up to the first fuckers that came along


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: joteddyred on Friday, February 1, 2013, 21:24:12
Cant help but think black sold up to the first fuckers that came along

Certainly feels like it  :(


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Friday, February 1, 2013, 22:10:09
I'm beginning to wish the sale does not go through.

We take our medicine with administration and take the time to actually find some bona fide owners - not the invisible members of a consortium whose part in all of this is looking more likely to be an asset stripping exercise.

Are they forcing PdC out - thus saving his (and his staff) salaries and replacing him with some useless (but cheap) fuckwit?

I reckon if Jedward shows his face at SN1 (that's if he actually knows where it is), he's in for a majorly rough ride.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, February 1, 2013, 22:16:04
I'm beginning to wish the sale does not go through.

We take our medicine with administration and take the time to actually find some bona fide owners - not the invisible members of a consortium whose part in all of this is looking more likely to be an asset stripping exercise.

Are they forcing PdC out - thus saving his (and his staff) salaries and replacing him with some useless (but cheap) fuckwit?

I reckon if Jedward shows his face at SN1 (that's if he actually knows where it is), he's in for a majorly rough ride.

I still cannot decipher whether or not you are serious.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Friday, February 1, 2013, 22:25:01
Does it not seem a plausible alternative to the shambles we are witnessing at the moment?

10 point deduction could yet see us in the play-offs - but worse case still in League 1.

I just hate the idea of faceless goons taking the piss with OUR club


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 1, 2013, 22:25:37
You gotta give the new owners a chance. Not saying there is no need for concern, but lets at least find out who they are and WTF they plan to do before condemning them.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Friday, February 1, 2013, 22:29:41
Got to commend you for your faith, but I think this isn't going to end well.

Sooner it's busted, sooner it's fixed.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 1, 2013, 22:33:07
Its not faith. I do not know whether it will end badly or well, my gut feeling is badly.

But what if I'm wrong. I don't KNOW anything.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Friday, February 1, 2013, 22:34:12
I'm beginning to wish the sale does not go through.

We take our medicine with administration and take the time to actually find some bona fide owners - not the invisible members of a consortium whose part in all of this is looking more likely to be an asset stripping exercise.

Are they forcing PdC out - thus saving his (and his staff) salaries and replacing him with some useless (but cheap) fuckwit?

I reckon if Jedward shows his face at SN1 (that's if he actually knows where it is), he's in for a majorly rough ride.

 :fishing: Surely?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Friday, February 1, 2013, 22:35:48
Fishing for what?

Just my personal feelings on the situation.

May be a load of old bollocks to everyone else - but it is MY opinion


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 1, 2013, 22:35:52
:fishing: Surely?

He got me...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, February 1, 2013, 22:41:54
He got me...

I reckon he might be serious.


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: herthab on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 08:34:13
The one thing I do know is that if Jed or other members of the new consortium read the shit spouted by some on here, thisis, twitter, etc they may be starting to wonder if investing is such a good idea. Despite some thinking that administration is preferable to new, mainly unidentified owners, I would rather not go down that route again. 10 point deduction for going into administration for the 3rd time? Dream on. We would get crucified.
Why don't people wait to find out the facts before doing a character assassination? I've even heard some fucking loons suggesting we demonstrate against the new guys!
I fucking despair.


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: dporter on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 08:39:34
The one thing I do know is that if Jed or other members of the new consortium read the shit spouted by some on here, thisis, twitter, etc they may be starting to wonder if investing is such a good idea. Despite some thinking that administration is preferable to new, mainly unidentified owners, I would rather not go down that route again. 10 point deduction for going into administration for the 3rd time? Dream on. We would get crucified.
Why don't people wait to find out the facts before doing a character assassination? I've even heard some fucking loons suggesting we demonstrate against the new guys!
I fucking despair.

Totally agree with you!

Yes people are angry and frustrated but there's nothing we can do about it. Spouting off the way some 'fans' have has just made us look stupid. STFU and get to the game today and get behind the team, that's the best thing we can do!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 08:43:22
Fishing for what?

Just my personal feelings on the situation.

May be a load of old bollocks to everyone else - but it is MY opinion
Yes but to be coming out with stuff like, 'I'd rather go into Admin and get a 10 point deduction' when you have no idea whatsoever about the new owners is a bit idiotic and OTT don't you think?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: JanAageisGod on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 08:48:08
Well since the new board have exchanged contracts:

1) a key player sold to promotion rivals
2) Transfers fall through
3) The manager saying he is considering his position claiming he's not been informed when players are sold
4) Silence from the front man from the new consortium (arguably courtesy of Non-Disclosure, but..)

And with me being a middle class snob

5) A guy with questionable spelling.

I think points 1-4 are fair enough to raise legitimate concern. If people coming in to run a football club don't expect legitimate scrutiny from press and fans then they aren't the smartest. My default position with new owners is that they earn my trust with something precious to me rather than being allowed to piss about with it if they are a bunch of chancers.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: dporter on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 08:55:22
Well since the new board have exchanged contracts:

1) a key player sold to promotion rivals
2) Transfers fall through
3) The manager saying he is considering his position claiming he's not been informed when players are sold
4) Silence from the front man from the new consortium (arguably courtesy of Non-Disclosure, but..)

And with me being a middle class snob

5) A guy with questionable spelling.

I think points 1-4 are fair enough to raise legitimate concern. If people coming in to run a football club don't expect legitimate scrutiny from press and fans then they aren't the smartest. My default position with new owners is that they earn my trust with something precious to me rather than being allowed to piss about with it if they are a bunch of chancers.



You can't blame the new board for the rules and regulations of the FL. Until it's all been checked out and cleared there's not a lot they can do. We had to sell Ritchie to raise funds. The FL put the kibosh on the transfers (temporarily - they will still happen). Paolo always has a rant and voices his feelings. And you quashed your own argument in point four with the NDA.

Sorry, what was your point?!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: JanAageisGod on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 09:08:57
1) How much money do the new lot have if we have to sell a player as a "bridging loan"?
2) What guarantees are there the transfers will happen?
3) Yes he rants. Not often he says I have had my contract breached. That's a bit more than spleen venting
4) Who knows what's in the NDA or isn't? It could be a handy thing to hide behind.

The point is perhaps not to take everything we are told at face value until they have earned our trust.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 09:13:56
Yes but to be coming out with stuff like, 'I'd rather go into Admin and get a 10 point deduction' when you have no idea whatsoever about the new owners is a bit idiotic and OTT don't you think?

In the cold light of day maybe a bit OTT

I just dont think I could endure 18 months of watching a bunch of chancers asset stripping the club to inevitably leave us up shit creek.

If they turn out to be even half decent owners, feel free to tar and feather me


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 09:20:22
The one thing I do know is that if Jed or other members of the new consortium read the shit spouted by some on here, thisis, twitter, etc they may be starting to wonder if investing is such a good idea. Despite some thinking that administration is preferable to new, mainly unidentified owners, I would rather not go down that route again. 10 point deduction for going into administration for the 3rd time? Dream on. We would get crucified.
Why don't people wait to find out the facts before doing a character assassination? I've even heard some fucking loons suggesting we demonstrate against the new guys!
I fucking despair.
Fucking spot on, I too fucking despair at some of our fans attitudes.


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 09:29:30
Fucking spot on, I too fucking despair at some of our fans attitudes.

Well, I'd like to know how many other clubs have been taken over with nobody knowing who it is - Jedward apart.

And this is 4 days after the event. What on earth harm can there be in just releasing the names of those involved - what is there to be gained by a non disclosure clause.

What is it they are trying to hide?

All very well saying fans are loons for holding some opinions but in my mind trust should be earned not given lightly.

Surely we all see this is not an auspicious start


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: dporter on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 09:30:02
1) How much money do the new lot have if we have to sell a player as a "bridging loan"?
2) What guarantees are there the transfers will happen?
3) Yes he rants. Not often he says I have had my contract breached. That's a bit more than spleen venting
4) Who knows what's in the NDA or isn't? It could be a handy thing to hide behind.

The point is perhaps not to take everything we are told at face value until they have earned our trust.



1) Who knows? But the 'bridging loan' was needed as Black & co weren't going to fund any more and why should the new lot fund when they don't actually have ownership yet? This point has been discussed on other threads. It's not about how much money they have, it's about them not actually owning us yet.

2) Once the deal's gone through (the next few days) there is no reason we can't sign these players during th EL period. Everything was agreed just not completed. Given, a few terms may need to be tweaked but we can still get these players.

3) Yes, admittedly, Paolo's statement was a lot more serious than his normal rants but by him coming out he forced the club to make a statement. Hopefully they have also spoken to him now and allayed some of his fears (trying to remain optimistic on the Paolo front!).

4) Why would they hide behind the NDA? It's there to protect people's interests. We, as fans, don't have to know everything about the new board at the moment. The FL will be doing their investigations and if some of the new board have other interests they may not want them being picked over by all and sundry at the moment.

I don't understand why they have to earn our trust. They want to buy us and, ultimately, they will have saved us once this goes through. If we hadn't have sold then we wouldn't have just gone into administration and had points deducted, it would have been a lot worse. Cold hard fact so we should actually be a bit grateful to the new board and maybe not judge them without knowing anything about them!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 09:32:51
I'm with Kerry to a point. We just keep going round and round and always get shafted. The only way to end it is to start from scratch with a non profit seeking board that is completely open and transparent. Otherwise we will be in a similar situation to now in the future. The new lot will take over, say what fans want to hear and all will be forgottenfor alot of fans. I'd say this warning though, if the so called great board who saved us etc, etc are leaving us in this fucking mess, it aint gonna see an improvement from them is it?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 09:33:12
The one thing I do know is that if Jed or other members of the new consortium read the shit spouted by some on here, thisis, twitter, etc they may be starting to wonder if investing is such a good idea. Despite some thinking that administration is preferable to new, mainly unidentified owners, I would rather not go down that route again. 10 point deduction for going into administration for the 3rd time? Dream on. We would get crucified.
Why don't people wait to find out the facts before doing a character assassination? I've even heard some fucking loons suggesting we demonstrate against the new guys!
I fucking despair.

Now THAT makes you just want to  :suicide:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 09:35:25
I'm with Kerry to a point. We just keep going round and round and always get shafted. The only way to end it is to start from scratch with a non profit seeking board that is completely open and transparent. Otherwise we will be in a similar situation to now infusion future. The new lot will take over, say what fans want to hear and all will be forgottenfor alot of fans. I'd say this warning though, if the so called great board who saved us etc, etc are leaving us in this fucking mess, it aint gonna see an improvement from them is it?
Yes, OK, but let's wait for them to fuck up/fuck off first shall we?? Actually, better still, let's wait for  them to actually take over!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 09:36:16
Jesus fucking christ.

One downside of the internet is that it reveals a lot of the population really are fucking idiots.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 09:40:03
Jesus fucking christ.

One downside of the internet is that it reveals a lot of the population really are fucking idiots.
who makes you the voice of reason on everything? People who don't share your view are idiots or  get told to fuck off.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 09:41:09
Why is it stupid just to have a different opinion?

Does your count more than anyone else's?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 09:43:41
Jesus fucking christ.

One downside of the internet is that it reveals a lot of the population really are fucking idiots.

Do you think spewing shit about the new board and posting their numbers on twitter, for example, are the actions of intelligent people?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 09:45:08
Or wanting to stage protests even before the new lot have taken over.

Yeah, that's really fucking smart innit.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: fatbasher on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 09:47:30
Jesus fucking christ.

One downside of the internet is that it reveals a lot of the population really are fucking idiots.
.......and why politicans thrive. If you want to kill the beast the only effective way is to starve it.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: herthab on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 09:49:29
Why is it stupid just to have a different opinion?

Does your count more than anyone else's?
It's natural to be sceptical, of course it is. After what the club have been through in the past I'd go as far as it's healthy. But there's a difference between healthy scepticism and knee jerk comments/reactions based on the flimsiest of evidence. The only thing we can do, aside from supporting the team, is wait and see what the new lot actually do when they're in situ. It's a fucking horrible situation, but attacking the new lot isn't really productive is it. At least not yet.....


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 09:55:43
I can't believe some fans are attacking the new board before they have even took control of the club. Thats utter fucking madness, nice way to make them feel welcome, I do despair.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 09:56:43
Why is it stupid just to have a different opinion?

Does your count more than anyone else's?

Do you know that some of your 'opinions' are so bizarre that other people aren't sure if you are serious or on a wind-up

Preferring administration to the take over. I mean really.... what the actual fuck? I'm still not convinced you aren't just trolling.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RJack on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 09:56:54
I can understand fans fustrations & worries it's a road we've been down before, but unfortunately no amount of speculation or accusation is going to remedy the situation.

What will be will be.  The new takeover could be for the best or for the worst but for now we as fans will just have to cross that bridge when we come to it.

Small rumblings seem to suggest the new lot taking over have good footballing knowlege so it will be interesting to see who the other parties of the consortium are once the takeover is complete.

For now though as fans we should focus all our energy on what matters on the pitch & not on club matters.  Players & Paolo need our support so lets just do that


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: JanAageisGod on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 09:59:42

I don't understand why they have to earn our trust. They want to buy us and, ultimately, they will have saved us once this goes through. If we hadn't have sold then we wouldn't have just gone into administration and had points deducted, it would have been a lot worse. Cold hard fact so we should actually be a bit grateful to the new board and maybe not judge them without knowing anything about them!

It's quite possible it could be ok and we're just in a period of teething troubles, and I'd be more than happy if it is (yes, really) but I'd say they need to earn our trust for two reasons:

1) This start
2) Rikki Hunt, Diamond Mike, Spencer Trethewy, Keith Haslam at Mansfield, Bill Archer at Brighton etc...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 10:00:54
I can't believe some fans are attacking the new board before they have even took control of the club. Thats utter fucking madness, nice way to make them feel welcome, I do despair.

I probably was a little OTT in my criticisms of the front man and his apparent unsuitability last night.  Hadn't really appreciated the extent to which their hands are tied at the moment.  At the risk of upsetting Barry, I hope he comes out in the next few days and proves me wrong.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 10:01:11
I can understand fans fustrations & worries it's a road we've been down before, but unfortunately no amount of speculation or accusation is going to remedy the situation.

What will be will be.  The new takeover could be for the best or for the worst but for now we as fans will just have to cross that bridge when we come to it.

Small rumblings seem to suggest the new lot taking over have good footballing knowlege so it will be interesting to see who the other parties of the consortium are once the takeover is complete.

For now though as fans we should focus all our energy on what matters on the pitch & not on club matters.  Players & Paolo need our support so lets just do that
No, no, no, enough of this irrational nonsense -  Let's condemn them as cowboys and con men before we even know who they are - lets demand their removal from the Club before they've actually taken over - that is the way forward!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 10:03:55
We don't know who these people are yet. Therefore they must be fucking terrible, innit.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ronnie21 on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 10:07:46
Jesus, just switched on and read the last few pages of this thread.  We need to face facts, the money had dried up, we were going to be in shit street without any further funding, we raised the funds to carry on (and a lot of us didn't like the way it was done) and the club has been sold - allegedly!  Without this new consortium coming in where would we be, no money - means more players being sold - and in administration.  We could not carry on without more cash and hopefully the "new owners" will supply that.  I guess we all felt a bit of smugness that after years of living hand-to-mouth that we were finally in a comfortable position - that rug was pulled out from under our feet - so we all seem to be panicking.  Hopefully everybody will turn up at the next home game and we will know more about our future.  


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 10:09:14
I probably was a little OTT in my criticisms of the front man and his apparent unsuitability last night.  Hadn't really appreciated the extent to which their hands are tied at the moment.  At the risk of upsetting Barry, I hope he comes out in the next few days and proves me wrong.
We are all concerned that these may not be the right people thats human nature but we have to at least know who they are and their motives before we write them off.

It was not a direct attack on you at all Ardiles it was just a general despair at the way a lot of fans have decided that after one dodgy rumour on a non league fans forum page that someone is unfit for the purpose of taking our club forward.

Please give them time, they may be good they may be bad, nobody has a clue at the moment at all.

I think its time to sit back a bit and chill out and let the people in charge communicate to us their plans before we totally dismiss them.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 10:11:08
I think its time to sit back a bit and chill out and let the people in charge communicate to us their plans before we totally dismiss them.

Im in favour of this i couldnt carry on the way i was


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 10:30:37
Jesus, just switched on and read the last few pages of this thread.  We need to face facts, the money had dried up, we were going to be in shit street without any further funding, we raised the funds to carry on (and a lot of us didn't like the way it was done) and the club has been sold - allegedly!  Without this new consortium coming in where would we be, no money - means more players being sold - and in administration.  We could not carry on without more cash and hopefully the "new owners" will supply that. I guess we all felt a bit of smugness that after years of living hand-to-mouth that we were finally in a comfortable position - that rug was pulled out from under our feet - so we all seem to be panicking.  Hopefully everybody will turn up at the next home game and we will know more about our future. 
That's it right there and why I'm so gutted. I have to admit I thoroughly enjoyed feeling smug. It was nice while it lasted.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: herthab on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 10:33:42
That's it right there and why I'm so gutted. I have to admit I thoroughly enjoyed feeling smug. It was nice while it lasted.
I think that's one thing most are agreed on.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 10:36:42
I think that's one thing most are agreed on.
I agree, but part of that smugness could come back this week if Paolo says he is staying and the new board confirm the takeover and that they plan to make us a new force in the league with financial backing....or failing that a win at Creepy today is a good start.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 10:39:56
We could still see a great deal of success even if Paolo does leave. He's not the only good manager out there.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: tans on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 10:40:15
http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/sport/football/nonleague/10202689.FOOTBALL__McCrory___I_won_t_desert_Banbury/?ref=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 10:41:07
We could still see a great deal of success even if Paolo does leave. He's not the only good manager out there.
Nigel Adkins?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: joteddyred on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 10:42:54
We are all concerned that these may not be the right people thats human nature but we have to at least know who they are and their motives before we write them off.

It was not a direct attack on you at all Ardiles it was just a general despair at the way a lot of fans have decided that after one dodgy rumour on a non league fans forum page that someone is unfit for the purpose of taking our club forward.

Please give them time, they may be good they may be bad, nobody has a clue at the moment at all.

I think its time to sit back a bit and chill out and let the people in charge communicate to us their plans before we totally dismiss them.

Totally agree with this and hopefully it will happen sooner rather than later.  My concern is that Football League approval of the takeover becomes drawn out and the limbo state and associated negativity drags on.

Edit:  Having just read Tan's link, it appears the FL will need to give special dispensation because of involvement at Banbury as well.  Let's hope this doesn't create an issue or delay the process.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Frigby Daser on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 10:46:40
Nigel Adkins?

Behave! He was front runner for Huddersfield.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 10:50:02
Behave! He was front runner for Huddersfield.
Just stating a good manager that was available, not for one minute would he come to us :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 10:52:50
Edit:  Having just read Tan's link, it appears the FL will need to give special dispensation because of involvement at Banbury as well.  Let's hope this doesn't create an issue or delay the process.

I don't think it's that big a deal.

Fitton did the same with hungerford(?) when he first joined us.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 10:54:45
I don't think it's that big a deal.

Fitton did the same with hungerford(?) when he first joined us.
I thought he was made to leave hungerford before the league agreed to his taking over, but TBH I don't remember exactly now, I know he kept connections with them but in what capacity I know not.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: wheretherealredsare on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 10:55:46
Having read that
http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/sport/football/nonleague/10202689.FOOTBALL__McCrory___I_won_t_desert_Banbury/?ref=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
I just wonder if Jed is only fronting the consortium through the takeover process until the ones with "a wealth of football experience" (and maybe wealth of wealth) can come out. It could partly explain the lack of communication from him and his reassurance to Banbury that he won't be leaving them in the lurch.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Nemo on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 10:56:21
I thought he was made to leave hungerford before the league agreed to his taking over, but TBH I don't remember exactly now, I know he kept connections with them but in what capacity I know not.

Was given special dispensation until the summer after he took over, when he left Hungerford.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Frigby Daser on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 10:56:41
http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/sport/football/nonleague/10202689.FOOTBALL__McCrory___I_won_t_desert_Banbury/?ref=rss&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

I don't really like the sound of that. He confirms he is part of the consortium to 'take us through a difficult period'. Difficult period?...we're third in the league with a superb squad. They really don't have the money do they. This sale has gone through to throw the liability onto anybody other than Black, regardless of whether they have the ability to take it on, or more probably, with a view to drastic cuts. Someone tell me I've got the wrong end of the stick.

Social responsibility? Thanks for getting our hopes up, just to stand back at the crucial moment and take the piss.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 10:57:26
All I can fins is on the Hungerford website that quotes...

Quote
The 2007/2008 season began with high hopes for success in the league and with some great league and cup performances, they entered March still chasing trophies on three fronts.Unfortunately home defeats in the FA Vase quarter final against Whitley Bay and Ardley in the league proved costly. Consolation was once again achieved by retaining the Challenge Cup by beating Almondsbury Town 2-1.During the season club chairman Andrew Fitton announced that he was leaving to form a consortium to take over at football league side Swindon Town.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RedRag on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 10:58:04
That's it right there and why I'm so gutted. I have to admit I thoroughly enjoyed feeling smug. It was nice while it lasted.
I have loved the "smug era" too

In our case, it even included a relegation!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 10:59:07
I have loved the "smug era" too

In our case, it even included a relegation!
Thats smugness to the extreme! how I miss those days :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RedRag on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 11:02:40
Anyone else fed up of reading the 'Administration' thread, when admin is - we hope - very much a last resort?  This story is going to run for quite some time, so maybe a thread with a more positive (and accurate) heading would be a better place to discuss.
I welcomed this thread but can we go back to the safe, old administration thread now?


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 11:05:17
The one thing I do know is that if Jed or other members of the new consortium read the shit spouted by some on here, thisis, twitter, etc they may be starting to wonder if investing is such a good idea. Despite some thinking that administration is preferable to new, mainly unidentified owners, I would rather not go down that route again. 10 point deduction for going into administration for the 3rd time? Dream on. We would get crucified.
Why don't people wait to find out the facts before doing a character assassination? I've even heard some fucking loons suggesting we demonstrate against the new guys!
I fucking despair.

Certainly, if we go into admin, the FL are not going to look favourably on our case....they'd most likely look to hasten us down the Looton path.

Nevertheless, the new lot need to know, they've got work to do to get the fans onside...and that given the lack of opportunity for formal accountablity within the ownership structure...informal action is the only alternative, and does have a history of use.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BruceChatwin on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 11:06:08
Having read that  I just wonder if Jed is only fronting the consortium through the takeover process until the ones with "a wealth of football experience" (and maybe wealth of wealth) can come out. It could partly explain the lack of communication from him and his reassurance to Banbury that he won't be leaving them in the lurch.

I don't like how he says we have a 'fighting chance'. Fighting chance of what? We're third in the league with an excellent squad FFS. That's the kind of wording you should be using in relation to a team deep in a desperate relegation battle.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Barry Scott on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 11:32:20
At the risk of upsetting Barry, I hope he comes out in the next few days and proves me wrong.

:D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: leefer on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 11:37:17
Upsetting Barry sounds like a song XTC might have sung.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 11:39:31
I don't like how he says we have a 'fighting chance'. Fighting chance of what? We're third in the league with an excellent squad FFS. That's the kind of wording you should be using in relation to a team deep in a desperate relegation battle.
Why on earth not? Surely that's a good thing?? He could just as easily mean 'fighting chance of automatic promiotion'. Why oh why do some people have to a put a negative spin on everything?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 11:42:20
Upsetting Barry sounds like a song XTC might have sung.
We're only breaking plans for Barry, we only want whats worst for him....


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 11:45:19
We only have passed history to go on and going back as long as I can remember has seen every board leave us in trouble. I'd be amazed if the next lot buck the trend. For that reason is why I think starting from scratch might not be a bad thing. Think that it will probably happen one day anyway.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 12:02:30
We only have passed history to go on and going back as long as I can remember has seen every board leave us in trouble. I'd be amazed if the next lot buck the trend. For that reason is why I think starting from scratch might not be a bad thing. Think that it will probably happen one day anyway.

When we had the Fan's Consortium...with some financial backing from Bill Power, I genuinely thought we could create structure, whereby the fans had a greater say in how the club was run.

Given, that the then new owners, were a decent lot meant that everything seemed hunky dory....which is why it would have been good if the Trust, had been built up in that period, ready for the kind of eventuality we have now.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Arriba on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 12:08:54
When we had the Fan's Consortium...with some financial backing from Bill Power, I genuinely thought we could create structure, whereby the fans had a greater say in how the club was run.

Given, that the then new owners, were a decent lot meant that everything seemed hunky dory....which is why it would have been good if the Trust, had been built up in that period, ready for the kind of eventuality we have now.
agree. Putting our faith in board after board always leads to disappointment eventually. I never saw this coming with the outgoing lot so cannot trust anyone. All boards have their own agendas which are not for the  greater good of stfc


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: thepeoplesgame on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 12:09:08
Why on earth not? Surely that's a good thing?? He could just as easily mean 'fighting chance of automatic promiotion'. Why oh why do some people have to a put a negative spin on everything?

Those two paragraphs in that story are all we have heard from anyone connected with the new owners. Throw in the fire sale of Ritchie behind the manager's back and it's only natural to view the terms "difficult period" and "fighting chance" in a cautious light. I defy anyone to read that Oxf*rd Mail piece and come away enthused.

I'm sure we all hope for the best, but it is a positive soul indeed that can have lived through the last few days and still be confident that everything is going to work out for the best. I sincerely hope it does, be that wealthy new owners who can give Paolo what he needs to get us into the Championship and keep us there or financially poor new owners with great principles who want to work with the Trust to develop a sustainable club with strong supporter involvement, but with the lack of information I don't think anyone can be confident of that.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: thepeoplesgame on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 12:23:50
When we had the Fan's Consortium...with some financial backing from Bill Power, I genuinely thought we could create structure, whereby the fans had a greater say in how the club was run.

Given, that the then new owners, were a decent lot meant that everything seemed hunky dory....which is why it would have been good if the Trust, had been built up in that period, ready for the kind of eventuality we have now.

To be fair, Reg, if you've ever tried building a union during a time of prosperity I think you will know how hard a task that has been for the Trust. People don't turn to collective organisations when all is going well for them individually, but they then expect them to be there when things go tits up. Although it's worth adding that at least half the Swindon Town supporter base thought the Trust should fuck off even when they were battling to save the club from Diamandis and friends.

Fortunately people have worked hard during a time of complete indifference to ensure the Trust has continued as a functioning entity so that it is at least here if we need it in the coming months.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: moredonboy on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 12:34:24
I think I have been a bit too pessimistic regards the potential unknown new owners.
We can only hope that the old board really sussed out the new one and chose the best solution.

On the subject of  future ‘sustainability’ surely the Trust must come to the fore again.
Apart from Bill Power’s input I cannot remember much about the Trust’s history – sorry too old for that! What state is the Trust in now? 

I would be delighted to invest say £100 per annum into a Trust fund that would remain in control of the fans representatives. I wonder how many other Swindon supporters might do similar? We must get more fan ownership for STFC.

I hope to get to the CG one day ( I live on Orkney now so it costs a fortune to get south) and really wish I could be at Crawley today.

Your immense enthusiasm must spread onto the field today – it could be another turning point.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 12:35:48
Those two paragraphs in that story are all we have heard from anyone connected with the new owners. Throw in the fire sale of Ritchie behind the manager's back and it's only natural to view the terms "difficult period" and "fighting chance" in a cautious light. I defy anyone to read that Oxf*rd Mail piece and come away enthused.

I'm sure we all hope for the best, but it is a positive soul indeed that can have lived through the last few days and still be confident that everything is going to work out for the best. I sincerely hope it does, be that wealthy new owners who can give Paolo what he needs to get us into the Championship and keep us there or financially poor new owners with great principles who want to work with the Trust to develop a sustainable club with strong supporter involvement, but with the lack of information I don't think anyone can be confident of that.
Fair enough, I just don't see any point in not being positive. That's just me. If you can't control something, all you can do is hope for the best.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 12:36:55
if the club was to become self-sustainable and/or fan controlled (whether it be via the Trust or another vehicle) then a great number of people will need to adjust our expectations in terms of what we can achieve.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: tans on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 12:38:57
I think I have been a bit too pessimistic regards the potential unknown new owners.
We can only hope that the old board really sussed out the new one and chose the best solution.

On the subject of  future ‘sustainability’ surely the Trust must come to the fore again.
Apart from Bill Power’s input I cannot remember much about the Trust’s history – sorry too old for that! What state is the Trust in now? 

I would be delighted to invest say £100 per annum into a Trust fund that would remain in control of the fans representatives. I wonder how many other Swindon supporters might do similar? We must get more fan ownership for STFC.

I hope to get to the CG one day ( I live on Orkney now so it costs a fortune to get south) and really wish I could be at Crawley today.

Your immense enthusiasm must spread onto the field today – it could be another turning point.


They have internet in Orkney? Blimey learn something new every day ;)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: deltaincline on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 12:50:48
To be fair, Reg, if you've ever tried building a union during a time of prosperity I think you will know how hard a task that has been for the Trust. People don't turn to collective organisations when all is going well for them individually, but they then expect them to be there when things go tits up. Although it's worth adding that at least half the Swindon Town supporter base thought the Trust should fuck off even when they were battling to save the club from Diamandis and friends.

Fortunately people have worked hard during a time of complete indifference to ensure the Trust has continued as a functioning entity so that it is at least here if we need it in the coming months.

Couple of great, meaningful posts there.

While I agree with both Reg and People sgame, from the outside looking in, would it be fair to asume that the club effectively killed off meaningful communications with the supporters trust pretty much after they took over?

I noticed the prominent office with the big sign in the car park seemed to dissapear within a season or so, and all the red army emails and press releases and info did the same - which was a shame.

I can see the point made by peoples game that its not easy running an organisation like that when things seem OK again in terms or club ownership and finances etc, so massive kudos goes to all who kept the thing going, just in case.

Now that the shit is hitting the fan as the old board scramble for the exits, the trust are still there. Hopefully Jed and co will embrace them and bring them in from the cold.

 


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: wigglesworth on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 13:14:54
if the club was to become self-sustainable and/or fan controlled (whether it be via the Trust or another vehicle) then a great number of people will need to adjust our expectations in terms of what we can achieve.

Bang on the money.  :nod: You've just summed up the paradox at the heart of football, which fans and media alike refuse to acknowledge. We demand ambition* from our owners, enjoy the ride for a bit, then complain when fiscal reality comes calling and once again we're left with the club which 8,000 paying customers 23 times a year can afford.

Football as a business is a broken model. Completely bankrupt and will remain so until we, the fans, are happy to support self sustainable clubs.  :zipped:


*(C) Sky Sports


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Gnasher on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 13:16:50
Bang on the money.  :nod: You've just summed up the paradox at the heart of football, which fans and media alike refuse to acknowledge. We demand ambition* from our owners, enjoy the ride for a bit, then complain when fiscal reality comes calling and once again we're left with the club which 8,000 paying customers 23 times a year can afford.

Football as a business is a broken model. Completely bankrupt and will remain so until we, the fans, are happy to support self sustainable clubs.  :zipped:


*(C) Sky Sports

You sound like Andrew Fitton. Not that I disagree with you.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 13:23:16
Bang on the money.  :nod: You've just summed up the paradox at the heart of football, which fans and media alike refuse to acknowledge. We demand ambition* from our owners, enjoy the ride for a bit, then complain when fiscal reality comes calling and once again we're left with the club which 8,000 paying customers 23 times a year can afford.

Football as a business is a broken model. Completely bankrupt and will remain so until we, the fans, are happy to support self sustainable clubs.  :zipped:


*(C) Sky Sports

I think that is a great post.

Nobody likes reality. But we have to face it.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: DiV on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 13:26:32
Ambition doesn't have to cost millions.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BruceChatwin on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 13:26:52
Why on earth not? Surely that's a good thing?? He could just as easily mean 'fighting chance of automatic promiotion'. Why oh why do some people have to a put a negative spin on everything?

Ask yourself: if you were coming in with a wealthy backer, who had a clear vision for the future progression and long-term stability of the club (the dream for us all right now supporting a club that lurches from ownership crisis to crisis), would 'a fighting chance' be the choice of words you'd go for as your first broadcast indication of your intentions for the club? None of us were negative about the Fitton takeover because his intentions were stated clearly and positively from the start.

Having said that, we all know Jed is not the most careful with his words (ellipses ellipses ellipses), so could be reading too much into it.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 13:30:47
Bang on the money.  :nod: You've just summed up the paradox at the heart of football, which fans and media alike refuse to acknowledge. We demand ambition* from our owners, enjoy the ride for a bit, then complain when fiscal reality comes calling and once again we're left with the club which 8,000 paying customers 23 times a year can afford.

Football as a business is a broken model. Completely bankrupt and will remain so until we, the fans, are happy to support self sustainable clubs.  :zipped:


*(C) Sky Sports
Don;t fucking come on here as a newby trying to talk some sense - cunt.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 13:33:08
Having said that, we all know Jed is not the most careful with his words (ellipses ellipses ellipses), so could be reading too much into it.
That's pretty much what I'm saying.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 13:35:40
Don;t fucking come on here as a newby trying to talk some sense - cunt.

Two post before being called a cunt. That is almost unprecedented high praise indeed!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 13:35:53
if the club was to become self-sustainable and/or fan controlled (whether it be via the Trust or another vehicle) then a great number of people will need to adjust our expectations in terms of what we can achieve.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO!!! :crash:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 13:40:45
To be fair, Reg, if you've ever tried building a union during a time of prosperity I think you will know how hard a task that has been for the Trust. People don't turn to collective organisations when all is going well for them individually, but they then expect them to be there when things go tits up. Although it's worth adding that at least half the Swindon Town supporter base thought the Trust should fuck off even when they were battling to save the club from Diamandis and friends.

Fortunately people have worked hard during a time of complete indifference to ensure the Trust has continued as a functioning entity so that it is at least here if we need it in the coming months.

I'm not implying criticism of anybody...to run something like the Trust is a big commitment, that most including myself are too lazy to make. It's a salient point about the faint hearts previously amongst the fan base...a scism that is currently reflected on the TEF.

It's good to hear the Trust is still around in some shape or form...let's see what the coming days may bring.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 13:49:11
if the club was to become self-sustainable and/or fan controlled (whether it be via the Trust or another vehicle) then a great number of people will need to adjust our expectations in terms of what we can achieve.
Joking apart, you are right but the problem with that is that it goes completely against what attracted most or all of us to the game in general and STFC in particular, in the first place. That is, to 'dream the impossible dream', to punch above your weight, to get to the cup final, to get to the Premier League.  I can't really imagine going out on the piss at the end of the season to celebrate finishing 11th in L1 and having made a 20K profit. If that's all there is to look forward to, I don't see the point in it. And there is your problem. Who the fuck wants to adjust their expectations? Sensible though that may be?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 13:56:14
Joking apart, you are right but the problem with that is that it goes completely against what attracted most or all of us to the game in general and STFC in particular, in the first place. That is, to 'dream the impossible dream', to punch above your weight, to get to the cup final, to get to the Premier League.  I can't really imagine going out on the piss at the end of the season to celebrate finishing 11th in L1 and having made a 20K profit. If that's all there is to look forward to, I don't see the point in it. And there is your problem. Who the fuck wants to adjust their expectations? Sensible though that may be?
Absolutely agree.

Even when we had a wealthy benefactor who was a fan of the club, it all went to shit... the fact is that there is no real solution, we can either accept that we're going to go through this cycle of boom and bust or tread water.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Power to people on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 13:57:02
I'm confused why the new lot felt they needed a NDA, what is it they are trying hide ?

The one thing I like with our 'old' board was it that they was usually open and truthful to fans and actually communicated.

I am concerned now that the new lot have something to hide, I just hope we dont find out that there is a Ken Bates or Peter Ridsdale type involved.

It would be a shame for all of Fitton & Wray's hard work (cant say Black as he was only the money man and seemingly bailed when the going got tough) to go up in smoke


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: wigglesworth on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 14:10:48

It would be a shame for all of Fitton & Wray's hard work (cant say Black as he was only the money man and seemingly bailed when the going got tough) to go up in smoke


To say Black was 'only the money man' sort of misses the point doesn't it? He funded the thing almost singlehandedly. There's a reason Wray was so popular with us, and Paolo, he kept spending the money!! (or backing the manager in media speak)

It just happened to be Black's money he was spending.

Without Mr Black, there would have been no Mr Wray backing Paolo to the hilt and earning adulation from a grateful fanbase!
Pretty easy to be popular when you're spending someone elses money!  ;)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 14:16:12
I'm confused why the new lot felt they needed a NDA, what is it they are trying hide ?

The one thing I like with our 'old' board was it that they was usually open and truthful to fans and actually communicated.
NDA's are standard practice in these kinds of deals. I signed a couple when I was talking to potentially interested parties around the time of the Fans' Consortium, and the old board had an NDA in place with the "old, old" board when they took over. What is different here is that the NDA around the sale seems to be being used as a general excuse for not communicating at all. Now either the NDA they've signed is so broad as to be in effect a gagging order prohibiting any communication (which given he can apparently talk to the Oxford Mail about Banbury wouldn't seem to be the case) or they're just using it to hide behind. Either way, we deserve better.

And yes, I do want to know who's taking over our club. I want to know it's not Ridsdale or Steve Vaughan or John Batchelor or any of the other crooks out there who always sniff round clubs in trouble


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 14:17:33
To say Black was 'only the money man' sort of misses the point doesn't it? He funded the thing almost singlehandedly. There's a reason Wray was so popular with us, and Paolo, he kept spending the money!! (or backing the manager in media speak)

It just happened to be Black's money he was spending.

Without Mr Black, there would have been no Mr Wray backing Paolo to the hilt and earning adulation from a grateful fanbase!
Pretty easy to be popular when you're spending someone elses money!  ;)
3 posts in and every one solid common sense. You'll never fit in around here! Absolutely spot on.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: iffy on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 14:44:03
I'm not implying criticism of anybody...to run something like the Trust is a big commitment, that most including myself are too lazy to make. It's a salient point about the faint hearts previously amongst the fan base...a scism that is currently reflected on the TEF.

This is a good point - mobilising fans to that extent normally needs a major crisis.

Everyone always points to Barcelona as the model of a big club that's really driven by the fans, but forgets the forty-odd years of Franco that were essential to forging that identity. I'd love to see Town do something that had substantial fan involvement - a 50+1 deal or something like you see in the Bundesliga, but I can't see it happening.

It's not all about money. Writing off the debt is a big positive, but a genuinely progressive chairman would also set up a governance structure that allows the club long-term sustainability and fan involvement.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 14:50:58
3 posts in and every one solid common sense. You'll never fit in around here! Absolutely spot on.
I said he was a cunt after the 2nd post.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 14:56:50
I said he was a cunt after the 2nd post.
You're like a noob-whisperer


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ghanimah on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 15:02:50
NDA's are standard practice in these kinds of deals. I signed a couple when I was talking to potentially interested parties around the time of the Fans' Consortium, and the old board had an NDA in place with the "old, old" board when they took over. What is different here is that the NDA around the sale seems to be being used as a general excuse for not communicating at all. Now either the NDA they've signed is so broad as to be in effect a gagging order prohibiting any communication (which given he can apparently talk to the Oxford Mail about Banbury wouldn't seem to be the case) or they're just using it to hide behind. Either way, we deserve better.

And yes, I do want to know who's taking over our club. I want to know it's not Ridsdale or Steve Vaughan or John Batchelor or any of the other crooks out there who always sniff round clubs in trouble

The complete silence is not welcome that's for sure, but in 2008 not all was revealed regarding the makeup of until "Andrew Fitton's consortium" officially took.

http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/sport/sportheadlines/1960266.arbib_revealed_as_mystery_town_backer/

http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/sport/sportheadlines/1966641.backhouse_joins_the_robins_board/


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 15:04:55
The complete silence is not welcome that's for sure, but in 2008 not all was revealed regarding the makeup of until "Andrew Fitton's consortium" officially took.

http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/sport/sportheadlines/1960266.arbib_revealed_as_mystery_town_backer/

http://www.thisiswiltshire.co.uk/sport/sportheadlines/1966641.backhouse_joins_the_robins_board/
This is what i have been saying all along, nothing was said about our "mystery backers" until after it was all in place and contracts exchanged etc etc.


Didn't Black and Arbib want anonymity when their consortium took over? with just Fitton being the front man to start with? it was only after a lot of questioning that they finally came and and said who they were.

I see no problem it will come out soon enough.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 15:16:25
What is different here is that the NDA around the sale seems to be being used as a general excuse for not communicating at all.

Exactly.

John Batchelor or any of the other crooks

No relation, I just want to point that out!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 15:18:57
This is what i have been saying all along, nothing was said about our "mystery backers" until after it was all in place and contracts exchanged etc etc.
Yeah, but we at least had some communication from Fitton, and some idea of what we were getting. We've had nothing from Jed and co. Plus Fitton had considerably more credibility than Jed does. Sorry, I'm sure he's a lovely fella and pisses football in his sleep and all that, but it's true. Which is why I want to know he has someone solid behind him


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 15:20:05
This is what i have been saying all along, nothing was said about our "mystery backers" until after it was all in place and contracts exchanged etc etc.

I think its accepted we won't find out who is involved until after the takeover is complete, maybe sometime after that.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: HardCorePrawn on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 15:22:26
To say Black was 'only the money man' sort of misses the point doesn't it? He funded the thing almost singlehandedly. There's a reason Wray was so popular with us, and Paolo, he kept spending the money!! (or backing the manager in media speak)

It just happened to be Black's money he was spending.

Without Mr Black, there would have been no Mr Wray backing Paolo to the hilt and earning adulation from a grateful fanbase!
Pretty easy to be popular when you're spending someone elses money!  ;)

This is absolutely spot on.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 15:27:51
I think its accepted we won't find out who is involved until after the takeover is complete, maybe sometime after that.
I think thats fair enough TBH.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: DiV on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 16:51:44
Joking apart, you are right but the problem with that is that it goes completely against what attracted most or all of us to the game in general and STFC in particular, in the first place. That is, to 'dream the impossible dream', to punch above your weight, to get to the cup final, to get to the Premier League.  I can't really imagine going out on the piss at the end of the season to celebrate finishing 11th in L1 and having made a 20K profit. If that's all there is to look forward to, I don't see the point in it. And there is your problem. Who the fuck wants to adjust their expectations? Sensible though that may be?

I love this post. It's spot on.

After our relegation to L2 I didn't renew my season ticket and took a step back. Not. That I stopped supporting Town, just I failed to see the point. There was no ambition to move forward and the people running the show at the time had more interest in balance  sheets.

Football isn't played on balance sheets!!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Saxondale on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 23:59:15
Tweet from our owner.  Or old owner.  Or whatever.

Andrew Black ‏@bertthebold
Wow this is all pretty horrible. I can't really say anything at the moment as the sale is still going through - I'll say plenty later.

No idea what that means.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: reeves4england on Saturday, February 2, 2013, 23:59:55
Just saw that. The good news is the sale is still going through. Don't know what the 'horrible' stuff is though?! Hopefully nothing bad for STFC.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 00:00:11
interesting tweet from Black.

https://twitter.com/bertthebold/status/297856216296722432



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 00:01:53
i just saw a tweet from him that disappeared just as quickly, along the lines of "as it happens I did sanction the sale of Ritchie" and something else about blocking it before? did anyone else see this tweet?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Saxondale on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 00:04:09
In a strange way Im hoping its just that the more knuckle headed of our fans have been giving him abuse and nothing more serious.  Ive tweeted him my appreciation and said that we just need some reassurance.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Saxondale on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 00:05:14
Andrew Black ‏@bertthebold
I did sanction the sale of Ritchie. I blocked it the first time it came up but agreed to it later believing it had to happen.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Saxondale on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 00:05:28
The tweet has reappeared.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 00:07:41
If Black is social networking, one would guess that a conclusion is near?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 00:09:30
maybe he's just drunk.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: reeves4england on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 00:11:06
Andrew Black ‏@bertthebold
There's obviously more to this but it's complicated and best left until a later date. That's all I'm saying.

Can't say I blame him.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Costanza on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 00:12:27
maybe he's just drunk.

Given the last few days, that's probably more likely.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Saxondale on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 00:15:28
He must be pissed. He has tweeted once since 22nd December until this point. He's probably just opened twitter again to find a stream of abuse from our fans.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 00:19:04
to be honest, those tweets didn't really help anything did they?

these things that can't be spoken about? there's not a lot of point speaking about them if you can only be vague.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: JanAageisGod on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 00:23:18
There are a good number of reasonable tweets at him from sane people who realise he's spent millions he's not going to see again.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: GoSWINDON on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 00:30:58
There are a good number of reasonable tweets at him from sane people who realise he's spent millions he's not going to see again.

but why now ? who said they took £7 off him , i blame that cunt


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Nemo on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 00:31:46
but why now ? who said they took £7 off him , i blame that cunt

Personally, I think he's read a few of your posts and is just lamenting the general standard of grammar.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: GoSWINDON on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 00:33:31
Personally, I think he's read a few of your posts and is just lamenting the general standard of grammar.

Fuck. Him ,then. He is to be well respected and hope he comes through the hard times ahead


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 00:38:32
fuck him then
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Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: DiV on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 00:52:59
Why now? Because he's got no more money init!!!!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: GoSWINDON on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 00:54:56
Why now? Because he's got no more money init!!!!

innit ( fuck , that means that's spelled correctly )


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Samdy Gray on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 08:36:57
but why now ? who said they took £7 off him , i blame that cunt

Gerry Stilton , is that you ?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 09:27:13
Just saw the Black tweets,  he's no idiot and I look forward to the explanation behind what on the face of it seems a senseless method of sale.

I am frustrated and a bit angry at the way things are going, but its hard to vilify someone (via twitter) who has funded saving the club, and funded project Paolo at great cost without knowing what the fuck happened that caused him to abort  in such a spectacularly rapid (and seemingly poor) manner.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: HardCorePrawn on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 09:35:06
Just saw that. The good news is the sale is still going through. Don't know what the 'horrible' stuff is though?! Hopefully nothing bad for STFC.

'Horrible' doubtless refers to the flak he has got for declining to toss more money in. The grief he is getting for closing his wallet at £9 million is hardly likely to be encouraging the potential new consortium to close the deal.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 09:37:07
'Horrible' doubtless refers to the flak he has got for declining to toss more money in. The grief he is getting for closing his wallet at £9 million is hardly likely to be encouraging the potential new consortium to close the deal.
The deal has been closed. It's down the the FL now.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 09:38:42
Just saw the Black tweets,  he's no idiot and I look forward to the explanation behind what on the face of it seems a senseless method of sale.

I am frustrated and a bit angry at the way things are going, but its hard to vilify someone (via twitter) who has funded saving the club, and funded project Paolo at great cost without knowing what the fuck happened that caused him to abort  in such a spectacularly rapid (and seemingly poor) manner.

I eagerly await why he chose to sell Ritchie, I have heard a couple of rumours that fairly and squarely put him in the driving seat for the sale but lets wait and see what his reasons are before we blame him totally.

After all he has put a hell of a lot of money into the club to save us and keep us afloat, there is no need for abuse anyway, I am just concerned of the effect that all this has had on Paolo more than anything.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: HardCorePrawn on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 09:47:52
I eagerly await why he chose to sell Ritchie, I have heard a couple of rumours that fairly and squarely put him in the driving seat for the sale but lets wait and see what his reasons are before we blame him totally.

After all he has put a hell of a lot of money into the club to save us and keep us afloat, there is no need for abuse anyway, I am just concerned of the effect that all this has had on Paolo more than anything.

I imagine Paolo is still receiving his division topping wage each week rather than putting money back in as he suggested in a headline grabbing move a few weeks back.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Gnasher on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 09:52:05
I eagerly await why he chose to sell Ritchie, I have heard a couple of rumours that fairly and squarely put him in the driving seat for the sale but lets wait and see what his reasons are before we blame him totally.


Patey will need paying off. Ritchie for Patey sounds like a bargain to me  :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 09:52:26
I eagerly await why he chose to sell Ritchie, I have heard a couple of rumours that fairly and squarely put him in the driving seat for the sale but lets wait and see what his reasons are before we blame him totally.

After all he has put a hell of a lot of money into the club to save us and keep us afloat, there is no need for abuse anyway, I am just concerned of the effect that all this has had on Paolo more than anything.

Think we are singing from the same hymn sheet.

Which makes me remember my 8 year old prayed during half time that Paolo doesn't leave. We aren't religious as a family so it was a bit of a long shot :)

edit: Oh, and its ->forum->general forum->new topic, then subject "The Politics Thread" HTH! ;)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 09:59:44
Patey will need paying off. Ritchie for Patey sounds like a bargain to me  :)
It could be something like that, Patey paid off for finding a new owners, we will see.

And @Batch...i think we were all praying yesterday for Paolo to stay! and it is the sabbath anyway today so hes allowed (albeit a day early!) :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: hobodan on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 10:00:32
Steve claridge is a Bell-end


Title: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 10:00:57
My fears are that this consortium ain't got a pot to piss in. There was never multiple bidders. That was only leaked to drive a better deal. Jed McCrorys comments to Banbury united were less that encouraging. Black has written off a shed load of debt leaving us with a strong squad and minimal debt but also a large wage bill that has to be serviced.

My hopes are that the money men have remained quiet so as not to inflate the price. McCrory see this as his shot at he big time and not an opportunity to make a quick buck. He seems very keen on his football and I'm hoping that he will see opportunities where many others have failed. I hope he can, as painless as can be, make us into a self sustaining football ball club that is successful on the pitch. I hope he can attract people to the games with more offers like kid for a quid etc. the potential is there!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Simon Pieman on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 10:22:40
It could be something like that, Patey paid off for finding a new owners, we will see.

And @Batch...i think we were all praying yesterday for Paolo to stay! and it is the sabbath anyway today so hes allowed (albeit a day early!) :)

Patey is taking a salary too I expect


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: hobodan on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 10:25:24
I'm not sure why so many are defending Andrew Black, yes he has spent his own personal wealth keeping Swindon afloat - but a so called business man should not have sanctioned a wage bill that is over budget if he didn't have the long term commitment to cover the red numbers. And subsequently we have been sold to a 'consortium' headed by jedward, who hasn't even had the decency to communicate any information to the fans what so ever.
I won't trust any owners of our club again unless they have a STFC tattoo slapped on their forehead, the previous consortium who everybody sung their praises (Fitton, Wray, Black etc) have seriously let everybody involved in STFC down, Massively; & I will never forgive, it was yet more false promises from just another consortium.

The redevelopment of the county ground has to be the priority if this club is ever to be self sustainable at a higher level, without question.

I'll see what the new consortium have to say, but I won't hold my breath.. Orange hat at the ready


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 10:26:41
Just seen AB's tweets, he's probably signed one of the exclusive-style contracts that keep him quiet until the sale has gone through...hopefully things will be sorted this week and explanations will come out, here's hoping anyway!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 10:34:34
I think someone who has written off £9m deserves defending to the hilt here. He clearly signposted he wanted out months ago. Patey was brought in to do one job by the owner and he's done it. So Black now has an exit strategy. It looksl ike he was left holding the baby. Personally, i think he should have waited until the Summer whem he wouldn't have been selling a club in crisis and possibly a Championship club. But if he's ill and stressed then its probably more about getting out than money and he's probably not that arsed about who to.
As for the new lot, its got off to a shambolic start. I think given our history all Town fans have the right to think the worst. This is where we need reassurances that they can't or don;t want to give until FL ratification. Are they hiding behind a NDA or don't they give a fuck.
At this moment I'm expecting the worst and anything else is a bonus.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 10:37:01
the reason for the silence is the NDA, nothing more sinister than that - bloody frustrating thought it is.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 10:38:35
I agree with the above totally.

Also how long does it take for ratification from the football league. Everyone seems to think it will be done but others have mentioned other clubs 6 weeks.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: wigglesworth on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 10:42:38
I'm not sure why so many are defending Andrew Black, yes he has spent his own personal wealth keeping Swindon afloat - but a so called business man should not have sanctioned a wage bill that is over budget if he didn't have the long term commitment to cover the red numbers. And subsequently we have been sold to a 'consortium' headed by jedward, who hasn't even had the decency to communicate any information to the fans what so ever.
I won't trust any owners of our club again unless they have a STFC tattoo slapped on their forehead, the previous consortium who everybody sung their praises (Fitton, Wray, Black etc) have seriously let everybody involved in STFC down, Massively; & I will never forgive, it was yet more false promises from just another consortium.

The redevelopment of the county ground has to be the priority if this club is ever to be self sustainable at a higher level, without question.

I'll see what the new consortium have to say, but I won't hold my breath.. Orange hat at the ready

Seriously? How have they let the club down? ???

They've bankrolled the Paolo era from their own pocket(s)!

It comes back to the point that no one cares about overspending when they're the beneficiaries of it, but when the plug is pulled everyone suddenly questions the previous few years?

You say a so called business man shouldn't sanction a wage bill over budget. I totally agree. But do we really understand what an 'on budget' wage bill actually means for a club with 8,000 fans 23 times a season?

It doesn't get us a manager like Di Canio and a squad like ours for sure. So whats it to be!!

And what is a 'long term commitment to cover the red numbers'?? He's covered the red numbers for the past four(?) years and now he doesn't want to cover the red numbers any more! How many years is acceptable to you to cover the red numbers? Remembering that each year of red numbers means more money to find?



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 10:44:59
Let the club down?

So he ploughs in 9 million of his own money yet he's let the club down? Andrew Black is a fucking legend.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: leefer on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 10:48:26
Seriously? How have they let the club down? ???

They've bankrolled the Paolo era from their own pocket(s)!

It comes back to the point that no one cares about overspending when they're the beneficiaries of it, but when the plug is pulled everyone suddenly questions the previous few years?

You say a so called business man shouldn't sanction a wage bill over budget. I totally agree. But do we really understand what an 'on budget' wage bill actually means for a club with 8,000 fans 23 times a season?

It doesn't get us a manager like Di Canio and a squad like ours for sure. So whats it to be!!

And what is a 'long term commitment to cover the red numbers'?? He's covered the red numbers for the past four(?) years and now he doesn't want to cover the red numbers any more! How many years is acceptable to you to cover the red numbers? Remembering that each year of red numbers means more money to find?



However you see it and i agree with you to be fair it is not the thing to do.....leaving at the time he did,beginning of season or the end in my view.
Its like getting a team of climbers a 1000 feet from the top of Everest then turning round and saying ....fuck it ive had enough and walking them all back down again.

The timing was piss poor.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Abrahammer on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 10:50:54
I'm not sure why so many are defending Andrew Black, yes he has spent his own personal wealth keeping Swindon afloat

You've answered your own question there

He bankrolled us and then wrote off £9m he was owed.  This alone more than cancels out the disappointing end to era.

We would probably be in a lot worse situation if he hasn't of showed up in the first place.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 10:52:41
The timing I feel was a major problem, coming so close to the transfer deadline that Paolo was unable to complete any transfers in time.

I personally would have delayed the takeover for one more week to allow Paolo time to make the signings he wanted thus it not causing any disruption to the team and on pitch management. Obviously that is if the sale had been agreed in time for this, there could have been thoughts that the sale of the club would not happen for Black to do this, he must  have had his reasons, lets see what they were before attacking him too much eh?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 10:55:55
The timing was piss poor.

This is my view. Maybe he always had this time frame as his exit strategy, even pre-season. It just seems silly to fund squad building to the extent of a squad capable of competing for the Championship only to pull the plug  if so.

Unless PDC's contract is so strong that he was guaranteed x amount budget per-season, or unless he was pretty sure a buyer could be found I suppose.

Not saying we don't have 9 million reasons to be thankful (if that's what he writes off).


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: joteddyred on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 11:00:09
However you see it and i agree with you to be fair it is not the thing to do.....leaving at the time he did,beginning of season or the end in my view.
Its like getting a team of climbers a 1000 feet from the top of Everest then turning round and saying ....fuck it ive had enough and walking them all back down again.

The timing was piss poor.

Totally agree with this.  The timing couldn't have been any worse and I can't help but be pissed off at that.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: hobodan on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 11:04:26
I don't agree that we spent big to get Paolo, he was desperate to get into management and we gave him a chance. He has subsequently proven to be successful, with a fair backing I will add.

8,000 gates at this level with our ticket prices is very good, certainly enough to mount a promotion campaign.

Football as a whole needs to change, the current regulations in place obviously didn't prevent us from making a loss of 250k per month or whatever the real figure is. I was under the impression that we had reached our wage percentage maximum against club turnover. It genuinely came as a surprise to me that we as a club were / are losing this amount every month. I want to see us (and every club) competing fairly within our means & not being able to overspend.

Playing fairly within our means is more compelling to me than being bankrolled and batting above our weight, with the off chance that mr sugar daddy will pull the plug.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 11:05:02
He wanted to cut his losses which is very understandable. It is very selfish to expect him to stay on and continue throwing his money into a bottomless pit. Nobody here would be happy to throw money away with the knowledge you will not get it back so how can you expect another person to do the same.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: hobodan on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 11:14:20
Andrew black and co did a great thing by rescuing the club, paying off the debts to HMRC ect. But it feels as if they have undone a lot of the good work by allowing us to operate at a loss and selling us down the river. If Andrew black did not want to be in this situation then it was ultimately in his control to make sure we operated within budget. Weather the fans or Paolo would have liked the situation, we may not be where we are in the league but we wouldn't be in the position we are now off the field yet again.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 11:15:24
I asked this question the other day and I would still like someone more clued up than myself to answer it.

If Black wanted the 9 million he is apparantly writing off back,what chance would there be of him getting it,or any of it?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: wigglesworth on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 11:15:59
However you see it and i agree with you to be fair it is not the thing to do.....leaving at the time he did,beginning of season or the end in my view.
Its like getting a team of climbers a 1000 feet from the top of Everest then turning round and saying ....fuck it ive had enough and walking them all back down again.

The timing was piss poor.

I agree. The timing of this is the biggest downside, and I'm a bit perplexed by it but understand if it really is just a case of 'enough is enough'.

Do we really know if it would have been any better had Mr Black agreed to wait until the end of the season though? Pulling the money supply is going to hurt whenever its done. I remember hearing rumblings from someone alot closer to him than I am that he was looking for a way out midway through last season.

If the team of climbers had no business being anywhere near the summit of Everest without the highly paid specialist support team, oxygen, and personal helicopters, and whatever else you need to climb everest - all of which was paid for by maxing out multiple credit cards with no means of ever paying off then weren't they in a bit of a false position anyway?

Ok I concede thats a rubbish analogy  ???


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 11:51:19
If the rumours of Black wanting out for 12 months are true I would suggest he has gone way beyond the call of duty funding, and considering to fund this season, but it had to end somewhere. I suspect that the 31st Jan deadline has been there for sometime hhence the posturing etc with Fitton Wray etc, linked to this I wonder if the new owners have been in the frame for a while and had done the deal with Black which was possibly being held up by others?

The timing is shit but I honestly cannot see that the plug was pulled. He had to stop funding at some stage and its not like its a couple of quid he would have to bung in.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 11:53:50
What if he timed his decision to stop funding the club with when he first decided he wanted out?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Stevecourty on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 12:03:30
Black has done good things but handled this whole affair shockingly. Yes we can all applaud his 9 million input and he's a top man for doing so BUT it was his business and we all spend our own money on a business to then come out and say he is owed that money in the first place is ludicrous. He's put the club under a cloud that needn't of been there. If he had waited a few months he'd be selling a club in the championship without really spending much more. Now he's selling a club in a crisis without one of its major assets and possibly without its beloved manager. The man despite all his good deeds has shat on his good work with a few weeks of craziness that will derail our season


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: dave_bambers_right_sock on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 12:13:54
Steve claridge is a Bell-end cunt

Corrected


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: wigglesworth on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 12:15:10
Black has done good things but handled this whole affair shockingly. Yes we can all applaud his 9 million input and he's a top man for doing so BUT it was his business and we all spend our own money on a business to then come out and say he is owed that money in the first place is ludicrous. He's put the club under a cloud that needn't of been there. If he had waited a few months he'd be selling a club in the championship without really spending much more. Now he's selling a club in a crisis without one of its major assets and possibly without its beloved manager. The man despite all his good deeds has shat on his good work with a few weeks of craziness that will derail our season

If he'd waited a few months, he'd be selling a club that he'd sunk another £x,x00k into which may or may not be in the league above. The only certainty was that he would have to bankroll until the end of the season, the rest is speculation.

I'm not even convinced we'd be finanically better off in the Championship. :no:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ahounsell on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 12:17:26
I asked this question the other day and I would still like someone more clued up than myself to answer it.

If Black wanted the 9 million he is apparantly writing off back,what chance would there be of him getting it,or any of it?
Very little chance. The only way would be if the new owners were prepared to pay him back as part of the takeover, or if he decided to sell off some players to enable the club to pay some of it back.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ghanimah on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 12:28:22
Black has done good things but handled this whole affair shockingly. Yes we can all applaud his 9 million input and he's a top man for doing so BUT it was his business and we all spend our own money on a business to then come out and say he is owed that money in the first place is ludicrous. He's put the club under a cloud that needn't of been there. If he had waited a few months he'd be selling a club in the championship without really spending much more. Now he's selling a club in a crisis without one of its major assets and possibly without its beloved manager. The man despite all his good deeds has shat on his good work with a few weeks of craziness that will derail our season

He's sold the club (subject to FL approval) and one of the assets was part of the deal.

It's all very well waiting until the end of season, but that would've meant upheaval in the boardroom at a time when we could be changing divisions (and in playoffs) which will probably require significant changes of the team personnel, and also a time, when players' contracts usually come to an end.

If a takeover is going to mess up a transfer window I'd rather it was the one just gone, not the one in preparation for next season.


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: AldbourneRed on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 12:31:59
I think at the very very least £10 million should buy Black the benefit of the doubt until we find out what has actually gone on, if we ever do.

To knock his handling of this situation when none of us know the full details seems extremely harsh when we all know for a fact that he has done an awful lot right by the club.

Admittedly the current situation for us as fans sucks, but who here hasn't at some point in their life had to make a very difficult decision that might look selfish or poorly thought out to anyone not in full possession of the facts?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 12:36:58
I love football fans (and I include myself in this) we moan like buggery if season tickets go up a bit or if beer and burgers go up by a quid.. Then chastise our owner because he won't spend another £250k of his own cash propping the club up!  :D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 13:37:44
I just hope this takeover gets ratified by the league.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 13:52:05
Some people are right drama queens.

How on earth has Black sold a club in crisis?  He is wiping off the debt, we've sold a player to ensure we can cover the wage bill.  If the new owners don't fancy running at the same loss they can cut the wage bill in the summer.  We are near the top of the table having one of our best seasons in the last 20 years.

That is not a club in crisis.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: herthab on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 13:52:36
I love football fans (and I include myself in this) we moan like buggery if season tickets go up a bit or if beer and burgers go up by a quid.. Then chastise our owner because he won't spend another £250k of his own cash propping the club up!  :D
Spot on. I want a cheap season ticket and to watch a good team that's challenging every season. I also want someone else to foot the bill. Oh, from time to time I'll say that having a club that's self sustaining is the way to go, although deep down I know that probably means league 1 at best and would rather look at self sustainability once we're in the Championship, with a redeveloped ground. Who foots the bill for that is the difficulty.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Notts red on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 14:03:05
I think the new consortium taking over will be footballers.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 14:05:59
I think the new consortium taking over will be footballers.

?????? why ???????


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 14:14:57
I think the new consortium taking over will be footballers.
Rufus Brevett?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Notts red on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 14:20:32
?????? why ???????
It's just a feeling I've got Batch.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 14:23:15
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Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 14:45:15
Andrew Black wanted out last summer, but a proposed sale fell through, so I imagine that he said, right you have 6 months to find a new owner or I'm off. One of the reasons that Wray was sidelined and Patey brought in was that he wasn't doing THAT job to AB's satisfaction.

I'm with the others that say he (Black) deserves some slack, because without his money we wouldn't have PDC, we wouldn't have a chance of championship football, we would probably be playing Salisbury or Supermarine.


The two biggest concerns for me are,
The fact that we are still losing £1m a year, the debt to the holding company went up by £4m in 4 years (£400K on agents fees won't have helped).
Have the new consortium got the funds to keep us going, let alone to kick on and progress.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 14:50:00

Have the new consortium got the funds to keep us going, let alone to kick on and progress.


Maybe, maybe not.

We just have to be patient and wait to find out.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 15:03:18
Some people are right drama queens.

How on earth has Black sold a club in crisis?  He is wiping off the debt, we've sold a player to ensure we can cover the wage bill.  If the new owners don't fancy running at the same loss they can cut the wage bill in the summer.  We are near the top of the table having one of our best seasons in the last 20 years.

That is not a club in crisis.

 :hmmm:

It's my gut feeling, that this week has been the lull before the storm....we're in for some real shit.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: fatbasher on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 15:07:38
Andrew Black wanted out last summer, but a proposed sale fell through, so I imagine that he said, right you have 6 months to find a new owner or I'm off. One of the reasons that Wray was sidelined and Patey brought in was that he wasn't doing THAT job to AB's satisfaction.

I'm with the others that say he (Black) deserves some slack, because without his money we wouldn't have PDC, we wouldn't have a chance of championship football, we would probably be playing Salisbury or Supermarine.


The two biggest concerns for me are,
The fact that we are still losing £1m a year, the debt to the holding company went up by £4m in 4 years (£400K on agents fees won't have helped).
Have the new consortium got the funds to keep us going, let alone to kick on and progress.



Andrew Black should have a bronze bust at SN1 next to Flemming!

Moving on, you have to think like a businessman, sorry, person, for all our PC friends in the Lib & Lab parties.

If, no not if, your due dilligence is rigourous enough (you'd expect it to be with our chequered history) you'll see what the club has been wracking up debt wise for the, say, last 10 years? Then look at the income over the same period. Won't take a Carol Vorderman long to work out there is a massive gap to plug each season. Sooooooooooo how you gonna do it?

In retrospect we have pretty much as it would appear had the slate wiped clean. What about the natives, that's you and me? How long are we going to hang around spending our money if we don't see any improvement on the pitch and around the stadium. In a nutshell these "investor/consotium" bods better have deep pockets and big balls, because if I don't feel comfy with the outcome of this take over, PDC won't be the only fecker not appearing on a Saturday afternoon at SN1 next season which is a hard thing to say and swallow after supporting the town since circa '73.

Think about this, I reckon we pull £100-120k per home game on a 9k crowd taking into account ST sales and concessions etc for only 9 months of the year excluding cup runs and kiosk sales and sponsorship etc. The wage bill is reportedly in excess of £250k per month...every month. Sobering stats eh. 


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 15:36:05
Don't think your income per matchday is any near. 9000 @ £20-odd per ticket is 180000 then add on prog sales and food and drink and were knocking on £200k per game. Times that by 2 for the month and that still leaves 150,000 per month to cover any other expenses other than wages.

Other income from sponsorship/tv etc and it seem it should be more than enuf to cover costs


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 15:38:42
9000 @ £20-odd per ticket

We have 5000 season ticket holders, thats £13.50 per ticket or something like that. But its less than that because of pensioners, students, children and other sundry concessions.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 15:44:04
Ok so thats £67.5k per game from STs and 4000 paying £20 per ticket makes £300k per month income.

Again that leaves £50k monthly after taking out the supposed £250k monthly wage bill

With other income streams it still seems enuf to me to cover running costs


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 15:51:31
50k is nothing, travelling costs, non-playing staff wages, transfer fees, agents fees, etc, etc. I know there are other sources of income, but historically under the new regime (whose accounts are reliable) it seems they don't meet the outgoings. Sad but true, and certainly not unique.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ronnie21 on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 16:02:01
Ok so thats £67.5k per game from STs and 4000 paying £20 per ticket makes £300k per month income.

Again that leaves £50k monthly after taking out the supposed £250k monthly wage bill

With other income streams it still seems enuf to me to cover running costs
There is a non-playing/coaching staff of about 40!  Add to that the youth team set-up costs, as said before travelling, hotel costs etc. there is bound to be a shortfall.  Yet Watkins said they were running about 15% ahead of budget, but what budget?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Arriba on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 16:05:09
Very little chance. The only way would be if the new owners were prepared to pay him back as part of the takeover, or if he decided to sell off some players to enable the club to pay some of it back.
thanks. Thought as much. Alot of confusion regarding the whole thing remains. Time will tell and we will learn things over time I suppose.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: red socks on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 16:10:22
50k is nothing, travelling costs, non-playing staff wages, transfer fees, agents fees, etc, etc. I know there are other sources of income, but historically under the new regime (whose accounts are reliable) it seems they don't meet the outgoings. Sad but true, and certainly not unique.

£50k prob doesn't even cover PDC,s salary.....


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Saxondale on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 16:28:08
Sponsorship, advertising revenue.... some other things.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: DiV on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 16:31:39
Plus costs like gas, electric, water plus the rent for the CG and money for the use of the training ground to? Maybe even the car park on match days?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 17:06:46
Ok so thats £67.5k per game from STs and 4000 paying £20 per ticket makes £300k per month income.

Again that leaves £50k monthly after taking out the supposed £250k monthly wage bill

With other income streams it still seems enuf to me to cover running costs

The £250k monthly wage bill is for the players only.

From the accounts our total staffing cost in 2010/11 was £4.38m. It looks like the non-playing staff costs were £1.18m, leaving £3.20m for playing staff. So roughly £250k for playing staff and £100k for the rest every month. Other general running costs were about £100k a month.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 17:34:07
Generally speaking, we lose about £1m a year on average before player sales.  Our income has actually risen for pretty much the first time in 20 years thanks to the Fitton and Wray era's, that despite having lower season ticket prices.  This is primarily down to much greater commercial revenue - better sponsorship deals, corporate hospitality etc.

The season we sold Austin we made a profit - given the Cox sale before that, it looked like Fitton's era was going to get the Board into a position of some sort of self sustainability.  Unfortunately, we went and got relegated rather than promoted which fucked up the "plan".  I don'tthink we are spending much if any more than we did 3/4 seasons ago, we just aren't generating the income from player sales to offset the cash shortfall.  I don't doubt this is one of the reasons Black is walking - Id hazard a guess from previous accounts that about half his investment in the club occurred in the purchase and paying all the debts.  He was probably ok with that, and maybe even a few quid each year as a top up.  The past 2 years he's been pumping cash in to maintain the same desire to get promoted.

The sale of Ritchie probably protects this season for now, it's then down to new owners to decide if they continue covering the shortfall, find some way of getting new money in (ground) or stem the flow.  I'd imagine where we are may play a part in that.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: cheltred69 on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 17:52:30
Just seen the BBC article where Brighton reckon they will struggle to get under the cap next season whereby championship teams aren't allowed to make a loss exceeding £8 million in a year!
What is going on?  Are there any clubs at that level being run in a sustainable manner?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: random_five on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 18:38:54
Just goes to show how important the sale of Austin will be..


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 19:49:31
Just seen the BBC article where Brighton reckon they will struggle to get under the cap next season whereby championship teams aren't allowed to make a loss exceeding £8 million in a year!
What is going on?  Are there any clubs at that level being run in a sustainable manner?

Blackpool probably. Chairman is a bit of a skinflint with wages and takes a nice cut for himself.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: reeves4england on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 20:19:07
What he said ^

Blackpool got the the Premier League on a sustainable budget, partly through good buying and partly through great management by Holloway. I'd love us to follow their model but it's obviously not easy.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 21:52:51
But I would hazard a guess Blackpool will never see the PL again and, as with all clubs of their/our size will fall another step down the ladder.

So what we are saying here is that if people want a sustainable club they must give up the dream and be happy with our lot.

Yet again the only club with a history similar to ours that appears to have broken the mould is Reading


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 21:59:53
Apologies if posted elsewhere, Di Canio off to Huddersfield or made up bollocks?

http://www.swindon.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=307870


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 22:00:15
Blackpool did have a bit of money thrown at them to get them up the leagues, not massive in the grand scheme of things, but not small fry.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 22:02:01
Apologies if posted elsewhere, Di Canio off to Huddersfield or made up bollocks?

http://www.swindon.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=307870


Made up bollocks.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RobertT on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 22:02:49
Apologies if posted elsewhere, Di Canio off to Huddersfield or made up bollocks?

http://www.swindon.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=307870

Recycled rumour.   That's not to say it couldn't happen, but is a pure conjecture article with no inside knowledge.  Vital is just written by fans.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 22:04:08
Apologies if posted elsewhere, Di Canio off to Huddersfield or made up bollocks?

http://www.swindon.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=307870

Taken from Mail/Mirror stories that appeared this morning. We'll see if there is anything behind them.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/paolo-di-canio-emerges-as-contender-1571571

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2272718/Paolo-Di-Canio-lined-Huddersfield-Town-manager.html#axzz2JqKDpxLk

As Mr Morshead points out, the Mail article isn't the most accurate...
Quote
Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA

Have read today's Mail offering as well and once again the inaccuracies are shocking. Says Di Canio fell out with new owners. NOT TRUE...

Said administrators sold Ritchie. NOT TRUE. All it takes is a little research. So frustrating when you spend all week immersed in this...



Went onto a Huddersfield fan forum earlier, they are bricking it that they are bringing in Megson after spotting him and  his assistant from Sheff Weds at their game frantically making notes!

http://downatthemac.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=80746

http://downatthemac.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=81113


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Coca Fola on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 22:08:30
Apologies if posted elsewhere, Di Canio off to Huddersfield or made up bollocks?

http://www.swindon.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=307870
Nothing would surprise me after the week we've had.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 22:13:55
Apologies if posted elsewhere, Di Canio off to Huddersfield or made up bollocks?

http://www.swindon.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=307870
god damn you Gary Stanley

[url width=425 height=231]http://i.imgur.com/v5XYICb.gif[/url]


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Stegenfreud on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 22:26:09
I think we're going to have to put up with all sorts of rumours and misinformation over the next week or two, at least until things become clearer.

PDC's statement (or more likely his agents on his behalf) had a purpose, what purpose will hopefully become clear soon.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 23:27:25
god damn you Gary Stanley

[url width=425 height=231]http://i.imgur.com/v5XYICb.gif[/url]

Is he the porky one? Used to stand at the players entrance at away games? And most shockingly, sponsored Malpas?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: red socks on Sunday, February 3, 2013, 23:39:45
Di Canio might leave next week, or in the summer, in our 125 year history it makes not much difference. I hope he stays a bit longer, shows a bit more loyalty than the average football professional, I think Richie going has more impact than any other player leaving and it might have soured the whole thing for Paolo. In my ti e of supporting Town he's been the next best thing to Hoddle, it's been a great two years, now we move on to another era I think, just hope the club has a bit of stability and solvency for a few years. It's never dull supporting this lot.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, February 4, 2013, 07:08:26
Is he the porky one?

It's gazzzza (how many z's now) on here that spits his dummy out if you take the piss out of Michael Jackson and goes on the occasional meltdown over STFC. Pay no attention.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Monday, February 4, 2013, 07:13:03
'...but unless things get sorted at STFC very shortly, Di Canio will be gone which will leave 96% of supporters gutted after a very memorable 18 months.'

I'd love to see the polling evidence and supporting calculations to justify the 96%.   ;D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Stevecourty on Monday, February 4, 2013, 07:58:57
Let's start I've Been watching swindon on and off since about 14 (on and off due to work commitments) thats 14 years ive been watching them and this past few years with di canio is by far the best feeling I've felt around the cg I would be gutted. There are lots of PDC haters out there though so I'd hazard a guess at 70% gutted


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Barry Scott on Monday, February 4, 2013, 08:24:18
'...but unless things get sorted at STFC very shortly, Di Canio will be gone which will leave 96% of supporters gutted after a very memorable 18 months.'

I'd love to see the polling evidence and supporting calculations to justify the 96%.   ;D

Like the female hair and skin care product polling: 96% of 13 people questioned agree.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Whits on Monday, February 4, 2013, 08:25:39
Taken from Mail/Mirror stories that appeared this morning. We'll see if there is anything behind them.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/paolo-di-canio-emerges-as-contender-1571571

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2272718/Paolo-Di-Canio-lined-Huddersfield-Town-manager.html#axzz2JqKDpxLk

As Mr Morshead points out, the Mail article isn't the most accurate...


Went onto a Huddersfield fan forum earlier, they are bricking it that they are bringing in Megson after spotting him and  his assistant from Sheff Weds at their game frantically making notes!

http://downatthemac.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=80746

http://downatthemac.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=81113

Can we do a pressure group on the daily mail? would love to give them some shit :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 4, 2013, 15:31:01
You can call it shit stirring or PDC mind games. I call it disappointing

Quote

 BBC Wiltshire ‏@BBCWiltshire


1/3: Having said he wouldn't talk about off the pitch issues, #Swindon manager Paolo di Canio says he hasn't spoken to board since weekend

2/3: Di Canio says there's a hostile environment at CG and club has lied and broken promises over new players.

3/3:Di Canio says current board not spoken to him in 3-4 months and he doesn't want to talk to any of them at the moment,focusing on game.

And also

SPORT: #Swindon manager Paolo di Canio says he doesn't want to bring #Norwich striker Chris Martin back to club after loan ended.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Cibocchi_Is_God on Monday, February 4, 2013, 15:36:24
Mind games I think... "Look we need players, I have no fit players and look how well I am doing"
But I agree, it's a tad dissapointing that he wont take any youth players solely in order to strengthen his own bargaining position.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, February 4, 2013, 15:43:45
it's a tad dissapointing that he wont take any youth players solely in order to strengthen his own bargaining position.

We don't know that.

Anyway. I can't get my head around him blaming the board for the loanees falling through. It's irrational and although he may be a loon, he ain't stupid. Perhaps he doesn't really blame them but is using it as extra ammo to get his own way.

I also get the impression he's pissed off at black et al and not so much the new lot, but I could be wrong.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Monday, February 4, 2013, 15:43:51
Mind games I think...

Hope so, rather than a true reflection of his state of mind. Though there is no mention of the perspective new regime in there, so there is still hope even if it is.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Stegenfreud on Monday, February 4, 2013, 15:47:20
Nick W sits on the board so I find it hard to believe he hasn't spoken to him in 4 months. Perhaps he means Black specifically?

I would have thought this would be a great opportunity to give some U18's match day experience even if they won't play. What harm is there? 


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Trashbat? on Monday, February 4, 2013, 15:50:01
1/3: Having said he wouldn't talk about off the pitch issues, #Swindon manager Paolo di Canio says he hasn't spoken to board since weekend

But he also says he hasn’t spoken to them for 3-4 months so this must refer to the potential new owners?!

2/3: Di Canio says there's a hostile environment at CG and club has lied and broken promises over new players.

We tried to bring in 3 players on loan and the Football league stopped us, so how has the club broken its promise…unless there is some sort of issue that really caused the loans not to happen.
Have the new owners not got the finance to fund these loans after the takeover? Or did the old board promise him what was left over from the 500k that was brought forward in November, only to pull the plug on it?!


It’s so confusing and contradictory from everyone at the moment!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Monday, February 4, 2013, 15:50:07
4 months...so pretty much after Wray was replaced by SWP


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Red Frog on Monday, February 4, 2013, 15:50:18
We don't know that.

Anyway. I can't get my head around him blaming the board for the loanees falling through. It's irrational and although he may be a loon, he ain't stupid. Perhaps he doesn't really blame them but is using it as extra ammo to get his own way.

I also get the impression he's pissed off at black et al and not so much the new lot, but I could be wrong.

I think this is right. There's been no-one on the board with any interest in football for at least three months. They don't even bother telling him when they've sold players. In their minds they moved on ages ago. It's pretty casual that they didn't even see the value in selling the club with PdC as a current asset. Paolo needs to wait and see how the new owners treat him.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, February 4, 2013, 15:55:09
http://www.thisisswindontownfc.co.uk/news/10022281.Paolo_positive_after_summit/

last meeting i could find...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: random_five on Monday, February 4, 2013, 15:57:43
I think this is right. There's been no-one on the board with any interest in football for at least three months. They don't even bother telling him when they've sold players. In their minds they moved on ages ago. It's pretty casual that they didn't even see the value in selling the club with PdC as a current asset. Paolo needs to wait and see how the new owners treat him.

Agreed, good post


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Cibocchi_Is_God on Monday, February 4, 2013, 16:00:44
We don't know that.

Anyway. I can't get my head around him blaming the board for the loanees falling through. It's irrational and although he may be a loon, he ain't stupid. Perhaps he doesn't really blame them but is using it as extra ammo to get his own way.

I also get the impression he's pissed off at black et al and not so much the new lot, but I could be wrong.

Certainly seems that way though, I mean why wouldnt he bother to take youth players? He took Oakley on saturday for the experience...

I hope he is only pissed off with Black ect for the moment though, because it'd be a bit irrational for him to be annoyed with the new owners as you say. Especially as they haven't been given the opportunity to publically declare their position/support for PDC yet.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: fatbasher on Monday, February 4, 2013, 18:46:27
This ties in with PDC staying or going.

More worryingly than Paolo going is this. If the take over fails not only will he be off but we'll have to sell more players to survive, now I know the window has shut but I am sure without any "owners" as such the administrators called in would be able to off load our crown jewels by special dispensation. We'll lose at least 10 points too.

So everything and i mean everything hinges on the sale.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Monday, February 4, 2013, 18:59:25
I hope he is only pissed off with Black ect for the moment though, because it'd be a bit irrational for him to be annoyed with the new owners as you say. Especially as they haven't been given the opportunity to publically declare their position/support for PDC yet.

When Paolo's pissed off he's pissed off with everyone. If the new owners come in and give him a blank cheque he'll love everyone and the last couple of weeks will be a distant memory, with him signing a new 10 year contract and stating he'll be here for the rest of his career. Until someone pisses him off again.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: wigglesworth on Monday, February 4, 2013, 19:24:23
When Paolo's pissed off he's pissed off with everyone. If the new owners come in and give him a blank cheque he'll love everyone and the last couple of weeks will be a distant memory, with him signing a new 10 year contract and stating he'll be here for the rest of his career. Until someone pisses him off again.

Phil, is that you?  :D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Monday, February 4, 2013, 19:29:35
1/3: Having said he wouldn't talk about off the pitch issues, #Swindon manager Paolo di Canio says he hasn't spoken to board since weekend

But he also says he hasn’t spoken to them for 3-4 months so this must refer to the potential new owners?!

2/3: Di Canio says there's a hostile environment at CG and club has lied and broken promises over new players.

We tried to bring in 3 players on loan and the Football league stopped us, so how has the club broken its promise…unless there is some sort of issue that really caused the loans not to happen.
Have the new owners not got the finance to fund these loans after the takeover? Or did the old board promise him what was left over from the 500k that was brought forward in November, only to pull the plug on it?!


It’s so confusing and contradictory from everyone at the moment!

I really wouldn't try and do much deep analysis of what Di Canio says. He quite often contradicts what he's said in the same interview, part of the "speaking from the heart" bit I guess. It all kind of adds up in the end, but it rarely bears line-by-line dissection


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 4, 2013, 20:08:03
I honestly think he is/has been great for the club, but at times it is like being managed by a particularly stroppy and hormonal 15 year old girl.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: leefer on Monday, February 4, 2013, 23:02:57
I honestly think he is/has been great for the club, but at times it is like being managed by a particularly stroppy and hormonal 15 year old girl.

Sounds good to me. ;D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 06:47:57
I honestly think he is/has been great for the club, but at times it is like being managed by a particularly stroppy and hormonal 15 year old girl.
It can be very tiring at times  :nod:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ralphy on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 08:51:27
Do sometimes think his ego gets the better of him. The amount of players he's signed, fallen out with and fucked them off down the road is frightening.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Sippo on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 08:59:49
But 99% of us wouldn't change him for the world...

Best thing to happen to this club in a very long time.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 09:03:45
Perhaps, when we revert to employing a dull dough-ball as manager, hopefully people will appreciate what we had


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 09:07:56
indeed, Paolo is terribly underappreciated by our fans


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 09:09:33
I agree he is the best thing at the club for yeas and yes 99% wouldn't change him but I also agree with Ralphy that there are some traits I would happily make him change, but if he did change then he wouldn't be what he is now.

You take the rough with the smooth I guess.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: herthab on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 09:32:30
indeed, Paolo is terribly underappreciated by our fans
Are you being 100% serious? I think Paolo had more support from the fans than any manager since Lou. And rightly in my opinion. Fitton et al were the ones that gave him the resources, but it's been PdC that's changed the whole feeling around the club.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 09:39:57
Been away for 2 weeks can someone give a short summary of where we are re takeover and players brought and sold .....


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sheepshagger on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 09:40:30
I think herthab might have just been whooshed !!!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: @MacPhlea on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 09:42:15
Do sometimes think his ego gets the better of him. The amount of players he's signed, fallen out with and fucked them off down the road is frightening.

and if he hadn't we would have argued he isn't a strong enough manager... what people fail to grasp is that he has completely changed the footballing culture at the club - it's now a culture where the manager rules the player and not the other way round... gone are the days (whilst PDC is in charge) when a group of players who don't like the training regime or team selection could decide the fate of the manager/club... yes we have lost money on players signed and released but the success on the pitch and the team ethic has far wider benefits for the longer term...  

The difference between us and say Bristol City is that they have spent money, retained their existing culture and are failing - we have spent money and invested in a culture where players come in knowing exactly where they stand with PDC and STFC - they fuck about then they can fuck off...  we're here to win stuff not just to be also rans...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 09:42:54
Been away for 2 weeks can someone give a short summary of where we are re takeover and players brought and sold .....

  • Ritchie has got a big move to a smaller club.
  • Something about someone called Jed.

That's about it, really.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 09:45:07
Are you being 100% serious? I think Paolo had more support from the fans than any manager since Lou. And rightly in my opinion. Fitton et al were the ones that gave him the resources, but it's been PdC that's changed the whole feeling around the club.
not serious in the slightest!

kerry red's post suggested that people don't appreciate him at the moment and will only do so in hindsight, that's just not even close to the truth


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 09:45:44
  • Ritchie has got a big move to a smaller club.
  • Something about someone called Jed.

That's about it, really.

Who the fuck is Jed?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: nochee on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 09:48:00
Who the fuck is Jed?
He is this weeks punchbag. We might love him next week, we just don't like him this week


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bewster on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 09:52:20
Who the fuck is Jed?

He lives next door to Alice


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 09:52:34
He is this weeks punchbag. We might love him next week, we just don't like him this week
But none of us are quite sure exactly why we hate him we just do....apparently.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: herthab on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 09:52:44
not serious in the slightest!

kerry red's post suggested that people don't appreciate him at the moment and will only do so in hindsight, that's just not even close to the truth
Ah. Just scanned the thread and didn't pick up the subtlety.  Apologies.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 11:06:13
and if he hadn't we would have argued he isn't a strong enough manager... what people fail to grasp is that he has completely changed the footballing culture at the club - it's now a culture where the manager rules the player and not the other way round... gone are the days (whilst PDC is in charge) when a group of players who don't like the training regime or team selection could decide the fate of the manager/club... yes we have lost money on players signed and released but the success on the pitch and the team ethic has far wider benefits for the longer term...  

The difference between us and say Bristol City is that they have spent money, retained their existing culture and are failing - we have spent money and invested in a culture where players come in knowing exactly where they stand with PDC and STFC - they fuck about then they can fuck off...  we're here to win stuff not just to be also rans...

Well said that man.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pumbaa on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 11:45:55
Off the back of MacPhlea's post (and at a tangent to this thread, sorry), Bristol City have today revealed their Plan B for potential redevelopment of Ashton Gate should their proposed relocation to Ashton Vale fail to be approved.

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Bristol-City-FC-reveal-plans-rebuild-Ashton-Gate/story-18057895-detail/story.html


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bedford Red on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 12:36:33
Off the back of MacPhlea's post (and at a tangent to this thread, sorry), Bristol City have today revealed their Plan B for potential redevelopment of Ashton Gate should their proposed relocation to Ashton Vale fail to be approved.

http://www.thisisbristol.co.uk/Bristol-City-FC-reveal-plans-rebuild-Ashton-Gate/story-18057895-detail/story.html

Interesting read that, the following bit -

"Rebuilding Ashton Gate would mean that plans to build a new Sainsbury's superstore at the ground would be ditched.

But majority shareholder Steve Lansdown has promised to pick up the whole bill to rebuild the ground if the funding cannot be found from other sources."

Whatever we think of City, they know that their owner will pay for it if they can't get funding from elsewhere, so no reason why their ground redevelopment won't go ahead if they can't get the land for their new stadium. A bit of good news for their fans to have after there awful season on the pitch.




Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: blinkpip on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 12:41:42
Who the fuck is Jed?
Jed Pitman, ITV west match plus presenter


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: DRS on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 12:50:00
not serious in the slightest!

kerry red's post suggested that people don't appreciate him at the moment and will only do so in hindsight, that's just not even close to the truth
The majority yes but an awful lot of fans really do not like him either


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Paolo69 on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 13:22:36
Been away for 2 weeks can someone give a short summary of where we are re takeover and players brought and sold .....

Cheeky sod!!!

What gives you the right to find out like that. Read through hundred of pages of drivel and arguments just like the rest of us had to. :-)

In conclusion - we don't know a lot.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 13:39:23
The majority yes but an awful lot of fans really do not like him either
you reckon? I'd say it would be around 10% of supporters,maybe less.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: DiV on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 13:40:13
Do sometimes think his ego gets the better of him. The amount of players he's signed, fallen out with and fucked them off down the road is frightening.

Where as plenty of managers in the past have stuck with shit players for far too long. How many years did Pook play here as a pro. 6 years!

Under about a 100 bloody managers. Now that's frightening.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 13:40:44
Not sure if this has been posted or not, but this was on Banbury FC's forum regarding the fans meeting with Jed last Friday.

Quote
Jed reiterated his commitment to Banbury, confirming he is the owner and his involvement with Swindon did not change this.

He is speaking to the FA and Football league to ensure he can continue with both clubs.

Bringing consortium's together is part of his business and if any club are in trouble he would try to help, the issues with Luton hurt him and he doesn't want to see another club i the same trouble.

He didn't want this to come out so soon and he was very unhappy with the press, he wanted to protect the rest of the consortium from the press.

He's loving it at Banbury and only a call from Luton could change this, he was meeting with planners yesterday to look at possible new sites for Banbury

http://banburyunitedfc.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1275


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 13:45:40
you reckon? I'd say it would be around 10% of supporters,maybe less.

Its just Ben and Mex only really, and possibly Yeo. 

Hope this helps.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 15:33:30
Is the guy smoking crack? He does know he won't be able to continue in both roles until past the end of this season right?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 15:39:37
Maybe he's only coming here for the first 6 months?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 15:59:18
Is the guy smoking crack? He does know he won't be able to continue in both roles until past the end of this season right?

His role is yet to be confirmed though. Could be anything from mouthpiece to chairman. I'm not sure what the FA rules are to be honest.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 16:14:44
There is something very odd about all of this. Do the new owners not want the old owners to know who they are? Are they trying to screw Andrew Black? Is Andrew Black trying to screw them? Are the new owners trying to screw us? Why is the FL taking so long?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 16:19:19
His role is yet to be confirmed though. Could be anything from mouthpiece to chairman. I'm not sure what the FA rules are to be honest.
From that post, it makes it sound more like his role was more along the lines of getting everyone together so he may not plan on having much of a role once it's all done and dusted. Or maybe not. We'll find out soon enough I guess


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ralphy on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 16:25:41
It's a fucking big steaming pile of shit, that's what it is.


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: tans on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 16:44:54
There is no takeover deal.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 16:45:21
It's a fucking big steaming pile of shit, that's what it is.

How would you feel about a franchised STFC in a new ground at Banbury, Ralphy? Got to be handy for you.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 16:46:43
Are you suggesting we take Oxford in a classic pincer movement?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 16:47:33
Are you suggesting we take Oxford in a classic pincer movement?

Eirc style


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 16:49:12
Are you suggesting we take Oxford in a classic pincer movement?

I think a ground share with Looton might work.


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 16:52:13
There is no takeover deal.

Is this the Milan Misun of takeover deals, in a few months we will have all forgotten about it and be told that nothing was ever signed.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 16:58:31
Wasn't there the possibility of some news on the takeover on Thursday. Not long to wait.

Jed McCrory seems to suggest he will still have something to do with Banbury. It's all very puzzling

I ain't got a clue anymore. Lets hope we win tonight.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 16:59:23
I ain't got a clue anymore.

You are claiming to have had a clue before? All your posts on the subject have been utter nonsense.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 17:01:57
You are claiming to have had a clue before? All your posts on the subject have been utter nonsense.

Thanks for reading them though.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 17:30:01
I hope the new owners get some Guinness in the DRS, and some steak and ale pies would not go a miss either.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Hitchinred on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 18:14:04
I think a ground share with Looton might work.

Would save me a lot of money although I'd probably have to chop my feet off to sit in the stands!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 18:30:19
Would save me a lot of money although I'd probably have to chop my feet off to sit in the stands!

Fret not...the plan would be for Looton to join us in Banbury.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ralphy on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 19:41:48
How would you feel about a franchised STFC in a new ground at Banbury, Ralphy? Got to be handy for you.

Banbury makes Swindon look like the European city of culture.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ralphy on Tuesday, February 5, 2013, 19:47:06
Swindon Puritans FC


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 19:29:37
According to Morshead on Twitter Black is set to retain 15% of the club after/if the sale has gone through (unclear as to whether this is 15% of what he currently owns or 15% of the shares in general). Does make you think that the owners are a lot more credible than people seem to be giving them credit for on here/other forms of social networking over the last couple of weeks. I find it hard to believe that Black would keep 15% and then sell to a bunch of cowboys on the basis that he is unlikely to ever see any sort of return on it.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 19:41:40
According to Morshead on Twitter Black is set to retain 15% of the club after/if the sale has gone through (unclear as to whether this is 15% of what he currently owns or 15% of the shares in general). Does make you think that the owners are a lot more credible than people seem to be giving them credit for on here/other forms of social networking over the last couple of weeks. I find it hard to believe that Black would keep 15% and then sell to a bunch of cowboys on the basis that he is unlikely to ever see any sort of return on it.

Welcome Jed, you cunt  :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 19:42:43
According to Morshead on Twitter Black is set to retain 15% of the club after/if the sale has gone through (unclear as to whether this is 15% of what he currently owns or 15% of the shares in general). Does make you think that the owners are a lot more credible than people seem to be giving them credit for on here/other forms of social networking over the last couple of weeks. I find it hard to believe that Black would keep 15% and then sell to a bunch of cowboys on the basis that he is unlikely to ever see any sort of return on it.

Jed, what's your favourite cheese?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 19:56:32
According to Morshead on Twitter Black is set to retain 15% of the club after/if the sale has gone through (unclear as to whether this is 15% of what he currently owns or 15% of the shares in general). Does make you think that the owners are a lot more credible than people seem to be giving them credit for on here/other forms of social networking over the last couple of weeks. I find it hard to believe that Black would keep 15% and then sell to a bunch of cowboys on the basis that he is unlikely to ever see any sort of return on it.

Have you got any tips as to where I can get good quality double glazing for half price?

Bit of a long shot I know...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 20:01:04
According to Morshead on Twitter Black is set to retain 15% of the club after/if the sale has gone through (unclear as to whether this is 15% of what he currently owns or 15% of the shares in general). Does make you think that the owners are a lot more credible than people seem to be giving them credit for on here/other forms of social networking over the last couple of weeks. I find it hard to believe that Black would keep 15% and then sell to a bunch of cowboys on the basis that he is unlikely to ever see any sort of return on it.

Jed, what is your actual real name?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Gnasher on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 20:03:20
According to Morshead on Twitter Black is set to retain 15% of the club after/if the sale has gone through (unclear as to whether this is 15% of what he currently owns or 15% of the shares in general). Does make you think that the owners are a lot more credible than people seem to be giving them credit for on here/other forms of social networking over the last couple of weeks. I find it hard to believe that Black would keep 15% and then sell to a bunch of cowboys on the basis that he is unlikely to ever see any sort of return on it.

Did Morshead give the names of the rest of the consortium? You can trust us.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jutty274 on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 20:06:09
Have you got any tips as to where I can get good quality double glazing for half price?

Bit of a long shot I know...
I can help with that Batch


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 20:18:15
According to Morshead on Twitter Black is set to retain 15% of the club after/if the sale has gone through (unclear as to whether this is 15% of what he currently owns or 15% of the shares in general). Does make you think that the owners are a lot more credible than people seem to be giving them credit for on here/other forms of social networking over the last couple of weeks. I find it hard to believe that Black would keep 15% and then sell to a bunch of cowboys on the basis that he is unlikely to ever see any sort of return on it.

I'm gonna give you a jolly good thrashing*

*Only joking, i will not be thrashing anyone contacted with the football club,


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 20:20:10
I can help with that Batch

You were Jed all along, and you would have got away with it if it wasn't for us meddling kids approaching middle aged sad fucks


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ralphy on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 20:28:54
Jed, when are you buying me a pint ?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 20:30:16
Welcome Jed, you cunt  :)
Ha ha, I was expecting a suspicious reaction due to that being my 1st post but that takes some beating!!!! In all seriousness this is hardly a backing or a put down to the incoming consortium, more a pointer that if Black still intends to hold 15% of his shares (which is a lot more than I anticipated being the case) then he must have a lot of faith in what the new owners have in store for us actually bearing some fruit. Alternatively he may be as desperate to get out as some on here will have us believe!!!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 20:32:04
Jed, what's your favourite cheese?
No comment - at least not until the takeover is ratified!!!  :D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 20:33:15
Ha ha, I was expecting a suspicious reaction due to that being my 1st post but that takes some beating!!!! In all seriousness this is hardly a backing or a put down to the incoming consortium, more a pointer that if Black still intends to hold 15% of his shares (which is a lot more than I anticipated being the case) then he must have a lot of faith in what the new owners have in store for us actually bearing some fruit. Alternatively he may be as desperate to get out as some on here will have us believe!!!

Will you put Guinness in the Don Rogers?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ralphy on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 20:34:42
And can you start serving chips in the legends lounge again please.

Thank you Jedward.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 20:37:22
And can you start serving chips in the legends lounge again please.

Thank you Jedward.
I'm starting to think it might be a while before I'm able to shake the Jedward tag off & I've only been here 5 minutes!!! Gives me something to talk about in work tomorrow!!!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Family at War on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 20:39:26
And put the Carvery back in the Legends I'm loosing weight!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 20:41:06
I'm starting to think it might be a while before I'm able to shake the Jedward tag off & I've only been here 5 minutes!!! Gives me something to talk about in work tomorrow!!!

How are things at Everest?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 20:44:03
Now, you didn't expect you would be asking that today, did you?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 20:55:20
Will you buy us all a pint Jed? Or at least we can buy one, I said buy one, and get one free  :pint:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 20:57:41
'It's free fitting!'

Maybe he'll manufacture his doors and windows with uPDC!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 21:07:36
So - are we agreed tomorrow is THE day?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 21:09:38
I'm Jed and so is my wife


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 21:11:43
I'm Jed!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Gibbons on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 21:18:10
I think supermarioTV has got to the nub of the fans' concerns here.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Notts red on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 21:23:37
The bloke to his right looks gutted, he must of dropped his sign.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 21:24:00
I think supermarioTV has got to the nub of the fans' concerns here.
[url width=288 height=199]http://i.imgur.com/Agxi7Ln.gif[/url]


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 21:32:32
That has to be one of the worst mis-spellings of Jed I've ever seen. On that basis alone, he must be the real @McCoy


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 21:33:02
So - are we agreed tomorrow is THE day?
Hoping that'll be the case. We can't play with 15 or so players for much longer. Fingers crossed Pack & more importantly Green & BWP are still open to coming here!!
I'm Jed!
I think it's quite clear that I am indeed Jed. U'll all know what I really look like this time tomorrow :eek:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Coca Fola on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 21:52:26
Hi Jed.  :bye:

If you want to persuade Paolo to stay I suggest locking him in the boardroom. Only let him out when he agrees to stay.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 21:52:55
I think supermarioTV has got to the nub of the fans' concerns here.

That's me on the front page  :D I was waiting for this to come up on here and for a doctored sign!  :clap:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 21:54:09
The bloke to his right looks gutted, he must of dropped his sign.

He didn't have hold of one at the time, too many beers on the way down!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: donkey on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 21:56:46
and if he hadn't we would have argued he isn't a strong enough manager... what people fail to grasp is that he has completely changed the footballing culture at the club - it's now a culture where the manager rules the player and not the other way round... gone are the days (whilst PDC is in charge) when a group of players who don't like the training regime or team selection could decide the fate of the manager/club... yes we have lost money on players signed and released but the success on the pitch and the team ethic has far wider benefits for the longer term...  

The difference between us and say Bristol City is that they have spent money, retained their existing culture and are failing - we have spent money and invested in a culture where players come in knowing exactly where they stand with PDC and STFC - they fuck about then they can fuck off...  we're here to win stuff not just to be also rans...

We need that posted all around the CG.  Good line.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Gibbons on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 21:57:44
That's me on the front page  :D I was waiting for this to come up on here and for a doctored sign!  :clap:

Did Paolo borrow your coat when he had lost his green one?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 22:00:02
Did Paolo borrow your coat when he had lost his green one?

Sorry I've broken my NDA on the matter, No comment!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Notts red on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 22:00:42
He didn't have hold of one at the time, too many beers on the way down!
He does look a bit inebriated  :pint:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Gibbons on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 22:00:51
Sorry I've broken my NDA on the matter, No comment!
:D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, February 6, 2013, 22:01:00
We need that posted all around the CG.  Good line.
Not done Liverpool many favours, although I suppose there's a certain irony in pinching it off the Scousers #WeComeNotToRob


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BruceChatwin on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 15:51:00
I see Preston are £46 million in debt.

http://www.pne-online.net/forum/showthread.php?79100-%A346Million-debt (http://www.pne-online.net/forum/showthread.php?79100-%A346Million-debt)

£30 million of that is to the owner. Still, puts our relative situation in perspective. There are truly some f*cked clubs out there. If Black writes off his debts, we're looking a lot rosier than 90% of football league clubs, for a short time at least. Players wages are going to have to equalise with turnover at some point if English football is going to get out of the cycle of boom and bust. 


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 15:54:50
I see Preston are £46 million in debt.

http://www.pne-online.net/forum/showthread.php?79100-%A346Million-debt (http://www.pne-online.net/forum/showthread.php?79100-%A346Million-debt)

£30 million of that is to the owner. Still, puts our relative situation in perspective. There are truly some f*cked clubs out there. If Black writes off his debts, we're looking a lot rosier than 90% of football league clubs, for a short time at least. Players wages are going to have to equalise with turnover at some point if English football is going to get out of the cycle of boom and bust. 

So are we going to see reports of them cheating are we? Of course not.

However with Pompey 60 million in debt and PNE 46 million in debt you have to ask questions about whether it is really worth chucking cash at a club to chase the premiership dream.

Not that it seems to be working for PNE, they are falling like a stone!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 15:56:42
Quote
JedMcCoy ‏@JedMcCoy
😴

Anybody know what this means?..... If anything


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ADJr on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 16:01:14
It's an iPhone emoji, if you look at it on a phone, it's a face like this:  :zzz:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: welshred on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 16:01:17
Anybody know what this means?..... If anything

Paolo is probably ranting.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 16:04:38
It's an iPhone emoji, if you look at it on a phone, it's a face like this:  :zzz:

Hi Jed, when you taking over our club?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 16:05:19
Paolo is probably ranting.
Or they are calling in NoMoreHeroes to transcript what Paolo is saying directly to the new owners :D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ralphy on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 16:05:42
Jed is obviously hungover and not enjoying the meeting regarding the takeover.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 16:07:34
Probably sick of waiting for Football league ratification.

The five-strong consortium’s takeover of the Robins is imminent, as members of the group await the results of their fit and proper persons test from the Football League.

The Adver has learnt that a sickness bug within the administrative body is partly responsible for the delay in the applications, although the respective parties are still pushing the sale of the club through at an extraordinary rate.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 16:10:42
Or they are calling in NoMoreHeroes to transcript what Paolo is saying directly to the new owners :D
There is little that I can say at this point due to the NDA. However, I can confirm that I have been advised to keep the next 30 hours free.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 16:11:01
The Adver has learnt that a sickness bug within the administrative body is partly responsible for the delay in the applications, although the respective parties are still pushing the sale of the club through at an extraordinary rate.

I can't be the only one who read that and thought 'nasty business, that sickness bug'.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: welshred on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 16:28:15
Probably sick of waiting for Football league ratification.

The five-strong consortium’s takeover of the Robins is imminent, as members of the group await the results of their fit and proper persons test from the Football League.

The Adver has learnt that a sickness bug within the administrative body is partly responsible for the delay in the applications, although the respective parties are still pushing the sale of the club through at an extraordinary rate.



A sickness bug? Pull your fucking finger out! We had players playing with a virus last week! Man-up!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: nochee on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 16:43:16
Probably sick of waiting for Football league ratification.

The five-strong consortium’s takeover of the Robins is imminent, as members of the group await the results of their fit and proper persons test from the Football League.

The Adver has learnt that a sickness bug within the administrative body is partly responsible for the delay in the applications, although the respective parties are still pushing the sale of the club through at an extraordinary rate.
I can't be the only one who read that and thought 'nasty business, that sickness bug'.

I saw this word and am now going into melt down


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 17:06:54
I am fucking bored of this nonsense now.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 18:04:03
Has anyone asked Jed the cheese question or is that under NDA until takeover ratified?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ralphy on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 18:13:07
He won't disclose his favourite cheese till the takeover is agreed. Judging by his twitter account I'm guessing Dairylea or Cheese Strings.


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: tans on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 18:16:34
Football league quick to act for Portsmouth though..

http://www.football-league.co.uk/footballleaguenews/20130207/portsmouth-statement_2293334_3068475


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Frigby Daser on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 18:34:35
That doesn't sound very good for Pompey at all. As there was a FL board meeting today, might that be why we were led to believe there may be an announcement today? Hopefully tomorrow's news will be good news.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: DRS on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 18:47:31
Heard you the fucking first time


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Saxondale on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 19:07:29
I see the premier league are bringing in strict new spending limits.  Only allowed to lose 105 million over the next 3 seasons and next season will have to limit their wage bills. 

Poor little lambs.  What are they going to do.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21374699


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: A Gent Orange on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 19:21:32
I see the premier league are bringing in strict new spending limits.  Only allowed to lose 105 million over the next 3 seasons and next season will have to limit their wage bills. 

Poor little lambs.  What are they going to do.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21374699

Bloody Platini and his interfering! Oh, hang on...



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: corner on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 19:37:34
So what do we recon then? 2oclock press conference to unveil new owners and three new loans and everything's hunky dory, the aim to get automatic promotion. It can't go that we'll can it? After all this is STFC! Coyr  :beers:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Gibbons on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 19:43:49
So what do we recon then? 2oclock press conference to unveil new owners and three new loans and everything's hunky dory, the aim to get automatic promotion. It can't go that we'll can it? After all this is STFC! Coyr  :beers:

I know that past performance is not a reliable indicator of future results, but the way i see it is that selling Matt Ritchie was the worst possible, most awful, disastrous thing and therefore hardly likely to be the precursor to an excellent scenario such as the one you have described.  I hope I'm wrong, of course.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: nochee on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 19:45:58
Apparently we are being demoted 2 divisions for causing upset and distress at the FL office during the busy transfer window with our "childish" stresses of the take over bid


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Gibbons on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 19:47:46
Apparently we are being demoted 2 divisions for causing upset and distress at the FL office during the busy transfer window with our "childish" stresses of the take over bid


Plus Sepp Blatter is coming to Swindon to personally demolish the Locarno.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 19:58:26
Football league quick to act for Portsmouth though..

http://www.football-league.co.uk/footballleaguenews/20130207/portsmouth-statement_2293334_3068475

"This means that in the event that the PST bid does not succeed and Portsmouth do not exit administration before the end of the current playing season, the club will lose its membership of The Football League."

So what does that mean exactly? Better not lose our 6 points.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Costanza on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 20:06:26
Here we are getting anxious over the possibility of 'administration' but imagine having the term 'expulsion' being thrown at you. No thanks.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 20:11:44
Plus Sepp Blatter is coming to Swindon to personally demolish the Locarno.

Don't worry!  The town seems to be managing by itself to let its finest buildings crumble through neglect - without needing to get a racist Swiss pensioner in on the act as well.

That was a bit off topic, I know.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 20:25:37
Poor old Pompey, keith harris - where's Orville?



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ralphy on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 20:33:53
So basically if this Pompey supporters trust group don't get the takeover sorted, they're kicked out of the league ?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Simon Pieman on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 20:42:41
Yep. The hold up seems to be around the purchase of Fratton Park from Chanrai.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 20:44:34
Is that straight away or at the end of the season


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 20:45:52
The PST has until the end of the season to complete the purchase.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ralphy on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 20:47:49
Would every team lose the points from when they played them ?

Would only 1 team go down from league 2 to the Conference ??


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: nochee on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 20:52:16
Would every team lose the points from when they played them ?

Would only 1 team go down from league 2 to the Conference ??
I assume that as it would be the end of the season all teams would keep their points as all games had been played.

Looks like we've lost Green to Franchise


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ralphy on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 20:58:16
4 would still come up from league 2, 3 down from league 1 and Pompey sent to the Conference with 1 team from league 2 right ???


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Gnasher on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 21:02:47

Looks like we've lost Green to Franchise

That won't help Paolo's mood.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 21:13:53
Jed speaketh

JedMcCoy ‏@JedMcCoy

@SamMorshead_SA @paulw36 awaiting news will be sure to tell you when I no and the NDA is over ..


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 21:16:30
If the NDA is over you would assume they've approved the takeover.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: reeves4england on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 21:17:27
It's not though...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 21:18:52
I think he meant he'll let Sam know when the takeover is done, and (hence) the NDA is over.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 21:19:15
Read it wrong.  :doh:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Gibbons on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 21:19:25
And don't start a sentence with a conjunction.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Notts red on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 21:41:29
If the NDA is over you would assume they've approved the takeover.
This is how I saw it too. This morning it was said that  " Paolo will not take any major decisions until he has had the chance to meet personally with Swindons new owners, as and when the takeover is ratified, to discuss how the club progresses" So the FL may of already ratified the takeover?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: suttonred on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 22:21:43
Find out in the morning I guess.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 22:33:56
Jed speaketh

JedMcCoy ‏@JedMcCoy

@SamMorshead_SA @paulw36 awaiting news will be sure to tell you when I no and the NDA is over ..
[url width=500 height=233]http://i.imgur.com/oWZhjUc.gif[/url]


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Freddies Ferret on Thursday, February 7, 2013, 23:59:48
[url width=500 height=233]http://i.imgur.com/oWZhjUc.gif[/url]
maybe it's a 95 character limit? Couldn't squeeze in that pesky KW


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: fatbasher on Friday, February 8, 2013, 06:43:33
As PDC has had some sort of meeting with the new owners/front man, I would surmise that they have had through possibly their legal team a nod from the FL in the right direction that all is ok. Then their is a formal signing off from the FL heirachy and it just remains to watch the white smoke appear from the burger extraction vent at SN1 for all of us to take to the streets waving flags, lighting red and white flares whilst sitting on the roof and bonnets of cars circling around the magic round about while the police hand out ice cold Perroni beers and room temperature vintage Barolo. In the mean time the Wlitshire Fire Brigade will have a couple of tenders pumping great plums of water in a guard of honour style.

Happy days.

 :pint: :clap: :beers:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Friday, February 8, 2013, 07:16:58
Either that or a 'David Koresh' moment.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Gibbons on Friday, February 8, 2013, 08:10:37
I always think of this song when I read "Non Disclosure Agreement" (awesome track btw):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Leax63ullPE



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 8, 2013, 08:24:34
The picture of Jed reminds me of a chunky Jim Eoin.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 8, 2013, 08:47:38
I think much of the frustration of the delay and lack of info stems from the fact that we have had perfectly satisfactory owners for a while (although becoming clear that Paolo disagreed) and thus changes cause suspicion and concern. However last time round anything was better than the shower of shit who were in command so change was positive.

Fingers crossed for today although wonder what will happen first, ratification or the thread to 100 pages...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Friday, February 8, 2013, 09:00:28
Well, you have to think that if the FL sanction some of the crooks and spivs they have done in the past,  if they don't ratify this lot they must be really wicked


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 8, 2013, 10:53:25
Its all rather quiet today, both on here but Morshead is also very quiet on Twatter.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ralphy on Friday, February 8, 2013, 10:58:59
Day off work today, just got back from the gym and was hoping for good news when I returned. FFS !


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, February 8, 2013, 11:13:33
Day off work today, just got back from the gym and was hoping for good news when I returned. FFS !

This could be the lull before the storm Ralphy. It is said no news is good news, but you can almost taste the tension. It must have been like this waiting for Neville Chamberlain to return from Mansfield Munchen.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Trashbat? on Friday, February 8, 2013, 11:17:56
I’m heading down the CG at lunchtime to take the club up on the discounted replica shirt offer, I am going to loiter in the hope I see someone/something exciting.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 8, 2013, 11:18:23
This could be the lull before the storm Ralphy. It is said no news is good news, but you can almost taste the tension. It must have been like this waiting for Neville Chamberlain to return from Mansfield Munchen.

Did I miss the memo where it stated that the consortium are planning to invade Poland?

Actually with Paolo's Italian links there could be something in this?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pumbaa on Friday, February 8, 2013, 11:18:36
Day off work today, just got back from the gym and was hoping for good news when I returned. FFS !

Chill. Go stroke your Audi's exhaust pipe or something.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 8, 2013, 11:22:13
I’m heading down the CG at lunchtime to take the club up on the discounted replica shirt offer, I am going to loiter in the hope I see someone/something exciting.
Oooo what offer is that?

EDIT....I see the £35 shirt offer, thats a good deal.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Friday, February 8, 2013, 11:24:47
Did I miss the memo where it stated that the consortium are planning to invade Poland?

Actually with Paolo's Italian links there could be something in this?

Abyssinia  :bye:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Trashbat? on Friday, February 8, 2013, 11:29:00
Oooo what offer is that?

£25 Adult Home long sleeve
£35 Adult Home short sleeve
£30 Adult Away short sleeve



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, February 8, 2013, 11:33:21
£35 for the home shirt is in the sale? Doesn't sound like much of a sale price!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pumbaa on Friday, February 8, 2013, 11:36:24
£35 for the home shirt is in the sale? Doesn't sound like much of a sale price!

Originally £45, I think. So no, not much, but still cheaper.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 8, 2013, 11:45:26
£25 Adult Home long sleeve
£35 Adult Home short sleeve
£30 Adult Away short sleeve



Not content with selling Ritche, they are now having a fire sale of merchandise.... Wait for all those who said they were asset strippers to come out and say i told you so, they will be selling the baby grows at half price soon.

Now wheres that Panic button  :D :D :D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ralphy on Friday, February 8, 2013, 11:47:46
Chill. Go stroke your Audi's exhaust pipe or something.

Is that a euphemism ?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: london_red on Friday, February 8, 2013, 11:57:03
£25 Adult Home long sleeve
£35 Adult Home short sleeve
£30 Adult Away short sleeve

Was looking to get an away shirt, now it's only £30 may even be able to afford to get Archibald-Henville's name on the back


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ralphy on Friday, February 8, 2013, 12:02:22
The away shirt is tight fitting. Go a size up from your normal size.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Leggett on Friday, February 8, 2013, 12:02:48
hmmmmm, lets hope they do have a general sale, an STFC babygrow for my impending sprog would be pretty cool... :P


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 8, 2013, 12:07:03
hmmmmm, lets hope they do have a general sale, an STFC babygrow for my impending sprog would be pretty cool... :P

Me to, whilst i don't want to turn this into an expentant STFC fathers love in, whens yours due?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: lambourn red on Friday, February 8, 2013, 12:08:20
Not content with selling Ritche, they are now having a fire sale of merchandise.... Wait for all those who said they were asset strippers to come out and say i told you so, they will be selling the baby grows at half price soon.

Now wheres that Panic button  :D :D :D

That is because they are changing the shirt suppliers to Spall and the sponsorship to "Safestyle" for next season so they want to clear all of the adidas stock out of the shop


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 8, 2013, 12:08:28
I assume that the deadline has now passed to sign new players who could play tomorrow...

Nice work FL, if one was paranoid you could think they do such things on purpose?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, February 8, 2013, 12:12:14
I'm imagining the documents sat in some tart's in-tray while she is playing bubble witch saga and chatting to her mates on Facebook.

Whoever it may be, I feel real frustration and anger toward that person right now.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Costanza on Friday, February 8, 2013, 12:12:39
Cox is being 'picked up' for Plymouth's game at Aldershot. Perhaps it's not too late for some clubs :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 8, 2013, 12:17:23
I assume that the deadline has now passed to sign new players who could play tomorrow...

Nice work FL, if one was paranoid you could think they do such things on purpose?

I have heard contradictory stories about deadlines for signings.

It is either 12 midday the day before a fixture, 5pm the day before a fixture or 24 hours before a fixture, not sure if anyone can confirm any of these as being the correct one?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pumbaa on Friday, February 8, 2013, 12:18:38
Is that a euphemism ?

You decide.... :D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: chrisser on Friday, February 8, 2013, 12:28:04
I have heard contradictory stories about deadlines for signings.

It is either 12 midday the day before a fixture, 5pm the day before a fixture or 24 hours before a fixture, not sure if anyone can confirm any of these as being the correct one?

Midday of the day before the game is the deadline - para 41.2:
http://www.football-league.co.uk/regulations/20110629/section-6-players_2293633_2125731


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 8, 2013, 12:30:09
Midday of the day before the game is the deadline - para 41.2:
http://www.football-league.co.uk/regulations/20110629/section-6-players_2293633_2125731
Cheers for that :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 8, 2013, 12:30:23
Midday of the day before the game is the deadline - para 41.2:
http://www.football-league.co.uk/regulations/20110629/section-6-players_2293633_2125731

Right, expect ratification of the sale very shortly, the FL have proved their point.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, February 8, 2013, 12:31:59
I expect they'e at lunch.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pumbaa on Friday, February 8, 2013, 12:32:35
I expect they'e at lunch.

Probably. I am.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, February 8, 2013, 12:42:15
Midday of the day before the game is the deadline - para 41.2:
http://www.football-league.co.uk/regulations/20110629/section-6-players_2293633_2125731

Next paragraph states in the case of loans it will be midday on the day of the match, or 3 hours prior to kick off (for weekend games). 3 hours before the office closes in midweek.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Exiled Bob on Friday, February 8, 2013, 12:48:02
Midday of the day before the game is the deadline - para 41.2:
http://www.football-league.co.uk/regulations/20110629/section-6-players_2293633_2125731
For loan players it is different and, anyway, according to the rules it is from when they receive the paperwork and find it in order:

41.3 Subject to Regulations 41.4 and 41.5, a Player will only be eligible to play in a match organised by The League if the appropriate forms for his Standard Loan, Emergency Loan, Youth Loan or Emergency Loan of a goalkeeper transfer are received (including by facsimile) and found to be in order by the Executive:

41.3.1 in respect of any fixture played on a weekday when the Office is normally open, at least three hours before the match; or

41.3.2 in respect of any other fixture:

(a) 12 noon on the day of the match; or

(b) at least three hours before the match, whichever is the earlier.

So, if the takeover is ratified today, along with any loan signings, they should be eligible to play tomorrow.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Costanza on Friday, February 8, 2013, 12:51:19
Portsmouth have signed 3 loan players today :)

In fairness, I'm not hugely bothered but it makes our situation seem bizarre.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Notts red on Friday, February 8, 2013, 12:55:00
I assume that the deadline has now passed to sign new players who could play tomorrow...

Nice work FL, if one was paranoid you could think they do such things on purpose?
Perhaps Marie Saunders could help us out  ;) Marie dealt with player registrations and pretty sure she now works for the Football League? Won't take kindly to being called a tart though Flashheart  :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 8, 2013, 12:55:13
The loan rules don't mean anything to me, I just read bla blah blah we all hate Swindon blah blah blah :D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 8, 2013, 12:56:44
I think this has been covered on here before, as they are in Administration they are in theory stable with known owners and thus can sign players with FL approval, however I have never really understood how that works as it is my understanding that Administrators are appointed to trade the business and protect the position of all including the Creditors, not sure how adding to the wage bill helps creditors. Suppose in some cases you could argue better performance may make business more attractive to buyers, but as Portsmouth are essentially relegated already I don't really seem a positive?

So in the eyes of the FL, essentially if you are £60m in debt with a bleak future, then fill your boots - however if you are a club which has upset the FL in the past, just wait you little upstarts!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 8, 2013, 12:59:05
So in the eyes of the FL, essentially if you are £60m in debt with a bleak future, then fill your boots - however if you are a club which has upset the FL in the past, just wait you little upstarts!
For the record....this is how I see it too!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Costanza on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:00:29
Can we make 'The Little Upstarts' our new nickname?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kaufman on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:06:01
Takeover unlikely to happen till next week BBC say


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Gnasher on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:06:56
Just announced on the radio that's it's going through next week. FL want clarification on a few points.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Costanza on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:07:07
Takeover unlikely to happen till next week BBC say

::)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:07:13
Christ on a fucking bike


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:07:55
Sad face.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:08:50
Yay....


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:11:10
Getting bored by it all now


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: welshred on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:11:50
What an absolute joke.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:13:00
Just announced on the radio that's is going through next week. FL want clarification on a few points.

I would like to clarify to the football league that they are full of shit, full of shit the football league are full of shit.  They're full of shit and shit and more shit, the football league are full of shit.

As someone else said earlier, if you were paranoid you really could think that the football league treat us just a little differently and they are a bunch of cunts.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:15:52
The knock on effect of us possibly missing out on the loan players could be a major concern with all of this too.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:16:13
Minor details, could that not just be priovided this PM or do the FL finish at 1 on a friday and then wont be available until Monday morning.

Farcical situation though.

Morshead hasn't said anything about this yet and it has reached the stage that I believe him somewhat more than the BBC so fingers crossed.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:17:06
In the meantime, with 46m debts Preston can carry on, with a squad of 35 very expensive players totally outstripping their incomings apart from injections of cash from a dodgy oiligarch AFCB can carry on, whilst completely fucked Portsmouth can sign players and carry on.  I could go on and on, but frankly I boring myself.  

Footballs fucked.  


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:17:20
So the 'majority' of incoming directors have apparently been approved by the FA, so come on who is the dodgy one?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:20:13
IMPLOSION


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Costanza on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:21:33
IMPLOSION

Impatience over Implosion


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pumbaa on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:21:53
In the meantime, with 46m debts Preston can carry on, with a squad of 35 very expensive players totally outstripping their incomings apart from injections of cash from a dodgy oiligarch AFCB can carry on, whilst completely fucked Portsmouth can sign players and carry on.  I could go on and on, but frankly I boring myself. 

Footballs fucked. 

Somebody please remove the hammer from Saxondale's hands for safety reasons......


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:22:51
Morshead hasn't said anything about this yet and it has reached the stage that I believe him somewhat more than the BBC so fingers crossed.

From Sam

Quote
I understand the Football League will meet in person with the new board as soon as possible next week to rubber stamp the takeover.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LucienSanchez on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:23:19
Nnnggghhh... is it really that hard to ratify a takeover, given what morons have been allowed to repeatedly fuck up in the past (Bates, Ridsdale etc.)?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: welshred on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:23:35
About the only positive from this is that we should have enough to get through Hartlepool, and we've got a big gap coming up before our next match. Can't see the loan players we were lining up still being available though. Hope Paolo has some other options.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: suttonred on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:23:51
Think some perspective needs to be added. I for one wouldnt be happy if the FL just ticked a box with yep, they've  a tenner in the bank, and approved, it like they were doing. Seems good to me they are being dilligent and making sure everything is in order. everyone would be well peeved if we had another Best, or a Notts co munto on our hands in a fortnights time.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: welshred on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:25:11
So the 'majority' of incoming directors have apparently been approved by the FA, so come on who is the dodgy one?

Probably trying to figure out which spelling of Jed's name us the right one!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:26:01
Think some perspective needs to be added. I for one wouldnt be happy if the FL just ticked a box with yep, they've  a tenner in the bank, and approved, it like they were doing. Seems good to me they are being dilligent and making sure everything is in order. everyone would be well peeved if we had another Best, or a Notts co munto on our hands in a fortnights time.
I think you are spot on, my only concern really is that it now means Paolos targets may not be signing for us on loan.

I would rather have the right people owning the club that a Ken Bates or Munto type owner thats for fucking sure.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: welshred on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:26:09
Think some perspective needs to be added. I for one wouldnt be happy if the FL just ticked a box with yep, they've  a tenner in the bank, and approved, it like they were doing. Seems good to me they are being dilligent and making sure everything is in order. everyone would be well peeved if we had another Best, or a Notts co munto on our hands in a fortnights time.

But how long does it take to sort these things out?! It's been over a week!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Costanza on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:27:17
It really is just impatience from the fans more than anything and I think that's fair enough. It's nice that the Football League are adhering to Sonic's request to delay proceedings as he's in some cabin over the weekend (sounds awfully Evil Deadesque, I wish him well).


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:28:20
But how long does it take to sort these things out?! It's been over a week!
Depends on how complicated a history of directorship etc they have had, and judging by some there is a long list of companies and all will probably be investigated fully before agreed upon.

lets say there are 5 people in the consortium and they all have as many fingers in as many pies as Jed then there could be up to a hundred different lines of investigation.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Gnasher on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:28:27
Oh well, I guess it all sounds promising. It's a shame we'll miss out on some of PDC's transfer targets because of the delay (I'd imagine).


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ghanimah on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:28:44
Think some perspective needs to be added. I for one wouldnt be happy if the FL just ticked a box with yep, they've  a tenner in the bank, and approved, it like they were doing. Seems good to me they are being dilligent and making sure everything is in order. everyone would be well peeved if we had another Best, or a Notts co munto on our hands in a fortnights time.

Agreed, but I think the criticism is one of lack of consistency of rules not being applied equally...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ralphy on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:28:56
I'm in Banbury now incase anyone is interested.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: suttonred on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:29:15
But how long does it take to sort these things out?! It's been over a week!

Who know's? It used to be 24 hours and look where that got everyone. I would expect with all the ownership issues those days are past, and they are finally doing what they should have been doing.  Christmas day does come eventually you know..


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:29:43
It really is just impatience from the fans more than anything and I think that's fair enough. It's nice that the Football League are adhering to Sonic's request to delay proceedings as he's in some cabin over the weekend (sounds awfully Evil Deadesque, I wish him well).


Cabin in the woods.  Good film.  Dont fancy Sonics chances of being the one to survive in a horror film scenario.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: suttonred on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:30:30
Cabin in the woods.  Good film.  Dont fancy Sonics chances of being the one to survive in a horror film scenario.

Dead snow. I bet he cops it on the crapper.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Simon Pieman on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:33:46
I'm in Banbury now incase anyone is interested.

Very. What's the weather like there?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:39:44
Agreed, but I think the criticism is one of lack of consistency of rules not being applied equally...
Which of course would be quite ridiculous as they are different rules being applied. Sutton's right, a little perspective and patience will go a long way.

Not sure I have much faith though that FPPT is worth anything much more than it was when Chainrai passed it or Andronikou's CSI lot who's whole empire was based around a fraudulent bank.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:44:15
Can we make 'The Little Upstarts' our new nickname?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eGPChAU06o


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Costanza on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:45:18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eGPChAU06o

We'll walk out to it. Sorted.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:46:33
We'll walk out to it. Sorted.
Certainly get them bouncing in the Town End. Could kill a few in the Arkells though. And the fast clappers would never keep up :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Costanza on Friday, February 8, 2013, 13:47:24
Certainly get them bouncing in the Town End. Could kill a few in the Arkells though. And the fast clappers would never keep up :)

A sacrifice I'm willing to take.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 8, 2013, 14:00:45
Think some perspective needs to be added. I for one wouldnt be happy if the FL just ticked a box with yep, they've  a tenner in the bank, and approved, it like they were doing. Seems good to me they are being dilligent and making sure everything is in order. everyone would be well peeved if we had another Best, or a Notts co munto on our hands in a fortnights time.

I would agree, but there are too many cases where they have apparently have obviously ticked the box with certain clubs. Anyway at least we are now guarenteed a 100 pager with this thread.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 8, 2013, 14:04:33
We'll walk out to it. Sorted.

Is it just me or does some of it sound scarily like the Football League Show theme music (or it may be some other football show?)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: suttonred on Friday, February 8, 2013, 14:08:08
I love the upstarts. I'm in. but it would as suggested above probably kill me these days, dancing   ( pogoing) to it.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 8, 2013, 14:11:08
Very disappointing news. I realise the FL are just doing their jobs, but its surely going to cost us on the playing side.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: tans on Friday, February 8, 2013, 14:13:35
Its all bollocks really isnt it.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, February 8, 2013, 14:14:00
Re the loan players, if we were to hang on until next Thursday they would be able to be involved with the play-offs if required.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Costanza on Friday, February 8, 2013, 14:20:44
As long as our transfer targets have interested parties elsewhere then I doubt the club would take any risks and get them in as soon as they can.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Friday, February 8, 2013, 14:23:24
rare poster here!
Very concerned about the FL approval - especially after reading about Luton's experience
Jed McCrory seems to be director of many small private companies - see list below
They are all recent starts and most have filed no accounts (probably because they are so young)
If he does not have some seriously rich partners, I cannot see deal going through - I am sad to say.

Director Summary

Gerard Martin McCrory has 21 current or previous company director or secretary appointments.

Short name - Gerard McCrory
Director ID : 908185233
Year of Birth: 1970


    
Company Summary

Company Name   Company Status   
TOUCH BAR CARDIFF LTD   Active   
TOUCH NORTH LTD   Active   
TOUCH CENTRAL LTD   Active   
TOUCH SOUTH LTD   Active   
TOUCH PROPERTY LTD   Active   
ORDICIUM SPORT SOLUTIONS LIMITED   Active   
ORDICIUM MARKETING LIMITED   Active   
BANBURY UNITED FC LIMITED   Active   
ORDICIUM LIMITED   Active   
ENVIRO SEALED WINDOWS UK LIMITED   Active   
ORBIS INDICIUM LIMITED   Active   
TOUCH LEISURE LIMITED   Active    (Director Resigned 11/01/2013)
ORDICIUM LIMITED   Active    (Director Resigned 01/01/2012)
GLOBAL DATA SECURITY LIMITED   Dissolved   
ENVIRO SEALED WINDOW SYSTEMS LTD   Dissolved   
FAN CLOTHING LIMITED   Dissolved   
THE COMPLETE DOOR COMPANY LTD   Dissolved   
WARM EDGE HOLDINGS LTD   Dissolved   
HARRY NASH CLOTHING LIMITED   Dissolved   
NBW GLASS LIMITED   Dissolved   
PRETORIA TRADES LIMITED   Dissolved    (Director Resigned 22/12/2009)
  


8 days since the application for approval, and the question sill remains as to whether Jed and his crew will pass the FA tests?

http://www.football-league.co.uk/staticFiles/0/8c/0,,10794~166912,00.pdf
 


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: london_red on Friday, February 8, 2013, 14:26:28

8 days since the application for approval, and the question sill remains as to whether Jed and his crew will pass the FA tests?

http://www.football-league.co.uk/staticFiles/0/8c/0,,10794~166912,00.pdf
 


Hadn't read that document before, what a total farce:

Quote
NB Primarily this is a self certification test


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, February 8, 2013, 14:27:01
Maybe they are waiting on information from third party sauces.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ralphy on Friday, February 8, 2013, 14:28:49
Very. What's the weather like there?

It was very overcast and gloomy. Strong smell of coffee in the air.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 8, 2013, 14:34:17
It was very overcast and gloomy. Strong smell of despair in the air.
Corrected :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: tans on Friday, February 8, 2013, 14:42:09
At least we are safe in the knowledge that paedos cant run football clubs


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Honkytonk on Friday, February 8, 2013, 14:43:13
Wahey, this'll be a 100 pager!

However, this news is a total kick in the perinieum. Never mind though, we'll just have to celebrate at the next home game...

Which is on the 23rd. Hopefully more than a week after the deal is ratified.

Let's just smash Preston 7-0 then...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ahounsell on Friday, February 8, 2013, 14:45:31
Its no surprise really, was obvious all along that it would take a while before it was formally approved. I wouldnt bank on it all going through next week either.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: AldbourneRed on Friday, February 8, 2013, 14:56:11
Maybe they are waiting on information from third party sauces.

I'm sick of waiting, wish they'd ketchup


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ron dodgers on Friday, February 8, 2013, 15:23:50

8 days since the application for approval, and the question sill remains as to whether Jed and his crew will pass the FA tests?

http://www.football-league.co.uk/staticFiles/0/8c/0,,10794~166912,00.pdf
 



"Information collated form Cubs at the start of the season"

quelle language ist das rittan in ?????


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 8, 2013, 15:24:48

"Information collated form Cubs at the start of the season"


Its the big society isnt it, they send the cubs out at the start of the season to collect this info, its like bob-a-job week for the 21st century!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Sippo on Friday, February 8, 2013, 15:27:15
Hope Akela knows.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 8, 2013, 15:28:39
Hope Akela knows.

Hasn't he just signed for Reading?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Friday, February 8, 2013, 15:38:25

"Information collated form Cubs at the start of the season"

quelle language ist das rittan in ?????
Got to be a good sign that they'll get on well with Jedward tho. If you no wot i meen


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, February 8, 2013, 15:38:38
Cabin in the woods.  Good film.  Dont fancy Sonics chances of being the one to survive in a horror film scenario.
turns out there is wireless here. and lots of danes.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: thedarkprince on Friday, February 8, 2013, 15:58:00
turns out there is wireless here. and lots of danes.



Is Claire one of them?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Saxondale on Friday, February 8, 2013, 15:58:13
Are they attractive Danish blondes?  They'll be first to go.  Im afraid you wont survive as you wear glasses.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: joteddyred on Friday, February 8, 2013, 16:42:56
What a disappointment  I hope next week means the beginning of the week and not the end.  I don't think anyone can endure another week of this shite.

As others have mentioned, the real concern is that transfer targets go elsewhere and Paolo loses patience with it all.

So much for Statement Friday!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Levi lapper on Friday, February 8, 2013, 16:45:54
What a disappointment  I hope next week means the beginning of the week and not the end.  I don't think anyone can endure another week of this shite.

As others have mentioned, the real concern is that transfer targets go elsewhere and Paolo loses patience with it all.

So much for Statement Friday!

Missing out on a few loanees is disappointing but minor issue in the grand scheme I suppose.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Sippo on Friday, February 8, 2013, 16:57:09
Hasn't he just signed for Reading?

Not sure but he best get a woggle on.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Friday, February 8, 2013, 19:11:18
I'll be driving across the Nevada desert when the Preston game is being played....I hope they get BBC Wilts out there :-)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Friday, February 8, 2013, 19:14:44
Bit of an odd Ward interview in BBC Wilts at 6:30 in regard to the takeover, something like "not sure about whose telling the truth, just getting on with it (playing)". Anyone else hear it or even know what context/question his was reply was in response to?

They also said the FL have asked for clarification on Jed's involvement in Banbury and Swindon.

The 7pm report just said it looks like it'll go through next week.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Friday, February 8, 2013, 19:18:29
Yeah I think Sam Morshead (could have been someone else though!) said something along the same lines, that he will not be allowed to hold the Chairmanship of STFC if he is still Chairman at Banbury too, thats the main cause of delay as far as he understands it.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Summerof69 on Friday, February 8, 2013, 19:22:24
Yeah I think Sam Morshead (could have been someone else though!) said something along the same lines, that he will not be allowed to hold the Chairmanship of STFC if he is still Chairman at Banbury too, thats the main cause of delay as far as he understands it.

But what's the difference to when Fitton became Chairman here, whilst still Chairman at Hungerford?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: janaage on Friday, February 8, 2013, 19:28:43
When Fitton took over he said he was continuing at Hungerford on a temporary basis, until the end of the season. Jed has stated STFC role will not affect his role at Banbury i.e. he has not committed to leaving his post at Banbury, like Fitton did at Hungerford.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, February 8, 2013, 19:41:44
I'm not sure Jed intends to be chairman here for long......

I have nothing to qualify that statement. It's nothing but a hunch.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: A Gent Orange on Friday, February 8, 2013, 19:44:08
Not sure Jed will be chairman... That never seems to have actually been said. He just seems to have been the one whose identity got out.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: stfcinbmth on Friday, February 8, 2013, 19:46:18
Thought it was mentioned that he was the one that got the consortium together


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Friday, February 8, 2013, 19:58:01
I'm not sure Jed intends to be chairman here for long......

I have nothing to qualify that statement. It's nothing but a hunch.

I'm with you on that.  Wouldn't be surprised if he was an introducer/fixer.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, February 8, 2013, 20:03:35
i get the impression that McCrory won't have anything to do with the club long term, hence his commitment to Banbury.

it doesn't fill me with confidence that his is the only name that has been made public.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, February 8, 2013, 20:10:44
To say it's 'just a hunch' may not be entirely true really.

Jed seems very reluctant to leave Banbury and has made noises that he will be doing no such thing. Surely the FA won't accept this on a long term basis.

There's also Paolo's cheeky grin when asked if he had met any of the new lot. From that grin, he knows at least one of them very well and, maybe, considers him to be the best chairman a manager could have.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Friday, February 8, 2013, 20:12:15
To say it's 'just a hunch' may not be entirely true really.

Jed seems very reluctant to leave Banbury and has made noises that he will be doing no such thing. Surely the FA won't accept this on a long term basis.

There's also Paolo's cheeky grin when asked if he had met any of the new lot. From that grin, he knows at least one of them very well and, maybe, considers him to be the best chairman a manager could have.

Either him, Fitton or Spencer were the 3 I thought about.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Friday, February 8, 2013, 20:16:45
and for the love of god, the spelling of his name is really bothering me


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, February 8, 2013, 20:31:42
and for the love of god, the spelling of his name is really bothering me

I bet getting confirmation of the spelling of his name is the hold-up.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Friday, February 8, 2013, 21:01:21
There's also Paolo's cheeky grin when asked if he had met any of the new lot. From that grin, he knows at least one of them very well and, maybe, considers him to be the best chairman a manager could have.

Then how do you explain Ritchie being sold and Paolo knowing nothing about it? And Paolo throwing his toys out the pram again? Though having said that, it might explain Black's comments on Twitter.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Friday, February 8, 2013, 21:43:02
Then how do you explain Ritchie being sold and Paolo knowing nothing about it? And Paolo throwing his toys out the pram again?
Because that was Black, not the new lot?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RobertT on Friday, February 8, 2013, 21:55:29
I got the impression from recent interviews that Black was the one being singled out by PDC


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Notts red on Friday, February 8, 2013, 21:56:20
Bit of an odd Ward interview in BBC Wilts at 6:30 in regard to the takeover, something like "not sure about whose telling the truth, just getting on with it (playing)". Anyone else hear it or even know what context/question his was reply was in response to?

They also said the FL have asked for clarification on Jed's involvement in Banbury and Swindon.

The 7pm report just said it looks like it'll go through next week.
So it seems the FL are waiting on the Consortium and maybe not the other way round. We are being drip fed updates which is very little on the takeover by other means via the club so if that's acceptable and within regulations why can't the club make some sort of statement regarding progress directly?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ronnie21 on Friday, February 8, 2013, 23:22:59
I got the impression from recent interviews that Black was the one being singled out by PDC
I think it is Patey!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Friday, February 8, 2013, 23:54:21
Not sure I've waited so long for a picture on the pitch with scarves above heads...!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Gibbons on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 02:19:10
I normally dislike conspiracy stories, but it does seem that the footballing authorities hate us.  Prime example being the tribunal fees set for Collins/TAH being the first in the history of tribunal fees where the selling club pissed themselves laughing all the way to the bank.  For this reason, I believe (a) the hold-up is most definitely at the Football League side of things and (b) Town will be demoted to the Findus Southern Premier Tiddlywinks League  and made to play their home games on Mannington Recreation Ground before this is all sorted.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 09:54:02
Then how do you explain Ritchie being sold and Paolo knowing nothing about it? And Paolo throwing his toys out the pram again? Though having said that, it might explain Black's comments on Twitter.

Thought it was pretty much common knowledge that Black sanctioned the Ritchie deal? He even suggested this himself on Twitter.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: wigglesworth on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 10:50:48
I normally dislike conspiracy stories, but it does seem that the footballing authorities hate us.  Prime example being the tribunal fees set for Collins/TAH being the first in the history of tribunal fees where the selling club pissed themselves laughing all the way to the bank.  For this reason, I believe (a) the hold-up is most definitely at the Football League side of things and (b) Town will be demoted to the Findus Southern Premier Tiddlywinks League  and made to play their home games on Mannington Recreation Ground before this is all sorted.


The Pox would still be in our shadow. Never forget that.  :nod:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 10:54:26
Thought it was pretty much common knowledge that Black sanctioned the Ritchie deal? He even suggested this himself on Twitter.

What he said was that he blocked the sale and then someone convinced him it was necessary. It appears Black has been on his own for a while so who convinced him? Plus I'm sure they'd have informed the new buyers of the sale.

I'm convinced there has been some real crazy shit going down behind the scenes.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 10:56:22
What he said was that he blocked the sale and then someone convinced him it was necessary.

He said no such thing


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: wigglesworth on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 10:56:48
I heard someone on the bus saying that Black fell out with Wray big time after he saw how much of his money he'd been blowing. Used to be good mates now haven't spoken for months. People on buses eh  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 11:06:16
He said no such thing

Not quite sure how else you could interpret this....

Quote
I did sanction the sale of Ritchie. I blocked it the first time it came up but agreed to it later believing it had to happen.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 11:09:57
I read it the first time Johnny.

Where does it say somebody convinced him? You made that bit up.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: bassett boy on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 11:15:50

The Pox would still be in our shadow. Never forget that.  :nod:

They would be in the Findus Beef lasagne league


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 11:30:12
I read it the first time Johnny.

Where does it say somebody convinced him? You made that bit up.

Something happened to make him change his mind, so someone else was involved. As he appears to be pretty much on his own in the running and funding of the club, who could that have been?

But the claim was that Black was behind selling Ritchie and there is nothing to suggest that other than him agreeing to it.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 11:31:26
Whatever johnny.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 11:33:20
Something happened to make him change his mind, so someone else was involved. As he appears to be pretty much on his own in the running and funding of the club, who could that have been?

Might even have been a personal issue, or something else completely unconnected with the Club.  A health scare, a relationship issue.  We'll probably never know - not that we need to anyway.  Bottom line is he's covered the Club's losses for several years.  Very grateful to him for that.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ADJr on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 13:55:18
Jed and his mates are in attendance today.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 14:08:24
I just want a win, and the scarf above the head at full time.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 14:39:59
Martin King. Anybody?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 14:58:29
Quote
Martin King is the founder and managing director of the Luton based corporate entertainment booking agency, Eminence but is better known for the scandals that occurred during his tenure as director of Luton Town. King was a director of Luton Town from July 2005 until March 2007, when he resigned following the sacking of Mike Newell.[1] King called Newell's sacking undemocratic, and suggested that only two board members were actually present at the sacking[2] although that's not believed to be the sole reason behind his departure.[1]

King has since revealed that £3,700,000 is currently unaccounted for at the club,[3] and that Newell was sacked for a letter he sent to the board of directors questioning certain the ongoings at the club.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_King_(Eminence)



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 15:04:43
See what you mean now.

Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA
Martin King, who the Adver understands will be one of the faces of the new consortium at Town, is believed to be here today #stfcadver

Also this from Sam.

Sam Morshead ‏@SamMorshead_SA
Just spent 15 minutes in the Legends Lounge with Jed McCrory talking to fans. Can't help but be impressed by his passion for the game.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 15:07:04
Can't say all these Luton connections are particularly inspiring.  Seems to have been involved, like Newell etc., during a period when they were in freefall.

But I know...open mind etc.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 15:13:12
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/teams/l/luton_town/6470567.stm


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 16:00:08
Another name then..... Steve Morrell (sp?)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 16:04:19
Well I just googled 'Steve Morrell Luton' and, mercifully, nothing shows.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Kinky Tom on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 16:05:09
yeah, i'm drawing a blank too


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 16:05:59
I can find nothing at all on him.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: brocklesby red on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 16:13:38
There is a Steve Morrell who is Managing Director of SGM Management and Design from Thame in Oxfordshire,2+2= and all that


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Kinky Tom on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 16:16:50
architects...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 16:22:34
architects...

With any background in stadium development?

And where does this name come from, Flash?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 16:23:46
beeb wilts


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 16:26:44
It sounded like Morrell. Could be Murrell or something similar.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: GoSWINDON on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 17:24:34
It sounded like Morrell. Could be Murrell or something similar.

 steve moreles ? thought thats what i just heard


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 17:29:35
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_King_(Eminence)



 :hmmm:


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 17:42:57
Hmmmm indeed. Will have to stuck it and see I guess.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 17:45:15
http://www.thestage.co.uk/news/2009/10/eminence-uks-largest-booking-agency-collapses/

Hmm....


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 17:48:11
Hmmmm indeed. Will have to stuck it and see I guess.

At least they're not foreign and dodgy...which would I think be a more troublesome proposition, the previous at Luton does at least flag up the need to be very vigilant about the direction the club will take.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 18:05:50
Sweet Baby Jesus - SM reckons the takeover won't get rubber stamped until maybe Wednesday or Thursday. I'm sure there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth between now and then ::)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 18:08:34
Skimming that Luton stuff it initially reads that King flagged up that there was dodgy stuff going on which he didn't want to be part of?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 18:09:08
With no game now until the 19th of Feb, all attention goes to the takeover...fingers crossed this happens and the guys are good for the club!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bewster on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 18:15:36
I heard today that Black is keeping a % of the club ? Anyone else heard this ? (can't be arsed to read back through)

TBH I'm a tiny bit fucked off with the whole thing


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: corner on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 18:18:45
Will be done on Tuesday.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 18:23:51
I heard a little whisper today, could be old news, but a bit of digging revealed there could be something in it. A guy called Vincent Goldstein set up a company called Swindon Land Ltd in September, 2 months after Black said he wanted out. Didn't think much of it until it I was told the other director of this company is a bloke named Phil Spencer.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 18:25:56
I heard today that Black is keeping a % of the club ? Anyone else heard this ? (can't be arsed to read back through)

I thought this was always known to be the case?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 18:27:24
I heard today that Black is keeping a % of the club ? Anyone else heard this ? (can't be arsed to read back through)

TBH I'm a tiny bit fucked off with the whole thing

I think he wants to keep 15%, which for a man who wants out still seems a lot to me?  :hmmm:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 18:27:50
I heard a little whisper today, could be old news, but a bit of digging revealed there could be something in it. A guy called Vincent Goldstein set up a company called Swindon Land Ltd in September, 2 months after Black said he wanted out. Didn't think much of it until it I was told the other director of this company is a bloke named Phil Spencer.

Si Pie will be all over that one if he can:

Quote
Date of Incorporation: 07/09/2012

SWINDON LAND LIMITED
249 CRANBROOK ROAD
ILFORD
ESSEX
UNITED KINGDOM
IG1 4TG

Think the address is just an accountants.

Hmmm, not sure how "official" this site is, Golstein and a Philip Spencer (is it even 'that' one, more likely to be the TV one!?!?) are listied

http://companycheck.co.uk/company/08205589

Which all amounts to naff all I suppose. No link to STFC :)



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: corner on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 18:28:08
I thought this was always known to be the case?
Yes this consortium is buying 75%.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 18:29:57
I have the full credit report, Goldstein has had just the 50 odd appointments


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 18:31:43

               
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Registered Address   249 CRANBROOK ROAD   Trading Address   249 Cranbrook Road
Ilford
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IG1 4TG


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Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: corner on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 18:34:31
And what does this tell us?....


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 18:35:03
SWINDON LAND LIMITED
08205589
Total Current Directors   2
Total Current Secretaries   0
Total Previous Directors / Company Secretaries   0
Current Directors
Name   Philip Spencer   Date of Birth   23/01/1957
Officers Title   Mr   Nationality   British
Present Appointments   13   Function   Director
Appointment Date   07/09/2012      
Address   249 Cranbrook Road, Ilford, Essex, IG1 4TG
Other Actions   View Director Report   View Consumer Report   View Trace Report

Name   Vincent Daniel Goldstein   Date of Birth   02/05/1960
Officers Title   Mr   Nationality   British
Present Appointments   55   Function   Director
Appointment Date   07/09/2012      
Address   249 Cranbrook Road, Ilford, Essex, IG1 4TG


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LucienSanchez on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 18:35:15
One of his other interests is here: http://vfund.co.uk - looks like they know how to do development


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 18:35:58
And what does this tell us?....

It tells us that a forum is an ideal place to throw specualtion in to the mix


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 18:37:59
Remember the smile Di Canio gave when asked about the new owners?

A consortium of 5? Martin King, Jed McCrory, Steve Mor....., Vincent Goldstein and Phil Spencer.

Just a thought


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 18:40:40
I agree with supermarioTV, if PDC was up with who was taking over he'd stay quiet and rejoice once it went through. Not sure what he'd expect to achieve by his recent statements, etc, to be honest.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Samdy Gray on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 18:43:05
Steve Murrall is the name you're looking for. He has ties with Jed, they share a few directorships.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 18:48:54
Steve Murrall is the name you're looking for. He has ties with Jed, they share a few directorships.

Is he part of the Banbury massive?
http://www.pitchero.com/clubs/banburyunitedfootballclub/members/


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 18:54:08
Remember the smile Di Canio gave when asked about the new owners?

A consortium of 5? Martin King, Jed McCrory, Steve Mor....., Vincent Goldstein and Phil Spencer.

Just a thought

Let say for a minute it was correct that Spencer was a member of the consortium, in this event why would PDC put out a statement showing his disgust over the sale of Richie and threatening to quit, and reinforce this statement this evening even after meeting the new owners in the week? if his best mate and trusted associate was involved in the takeover it would be unlikely that PDC would be reacting in this manner, so I doubt Spencer has anything to do with it.  



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Berniman on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 19:15:29
Maybe because it wasn't the consortium that sold him, just that they had to sign off on it to push the deal through?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 19:33:39
Si Pie will be all over that one if he can:

Think the address is just an accountants.

Hmmm, not sure how "official" this site is, Golstein and a Philip Spencer (is it even 'that' one, more likely to be the TV one!?!?) are listied

http://companycheck.co.uk/company/08205589

Which all amounts to naff all I suppose. No link to STFC :)

It is indeed.

http://goo.gl/maps/dj7OT


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 19:34:08
Phil Spencer is registered to an address in Loughton, Essex according to the FIFA website (http://www.fifa.com/associations/association=eng/footballofficials/agents/peoplekind=pag.html). Not too far from Ilford...

according to this (http://company-director-check.co.uk/director/906490496) his address is in Loughton as well.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: newmarket red on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 19:49:22
So with all these names being mentioned are any of these minted.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 19:51:52
That's the question, I will dig a bit further this evening. There's a good chance nothing will come of it but a bit of speculation won't do any damage.  :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: corner on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 19:54:37
All in all there were about 7 people with jed today, all looked from double glazing salesman to someone abit more prosperous.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: newmarket red on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 19:55:15
Stability for the club is all i care about.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Power to people on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 20:23:43
All in all there were about 7 people with jed today, all looked from double glazing salesman to someone abit more prosperous.

Did nobody think to take photos and then run them through facial recognition

I cannot beleive that Phil Spencer is involved if he was then PDC would not have made that statement (clearly not written by him) If Spencer was involved then PDC would be fully onboard and aware of what the new guys will be bringing to the party.

After Paolo's refusal to discuss these matters tonight and knowing he has met the new guys I am a little concerned as I expected him to either say he was happy with how the meeting went or say they needed to talk again.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 20:28:26
After Paolo's refusal to discuss these matters tonight and knowing he has met the new guys I am a little concerned as I expected him to either say he was happy with how the meeting went or say they needed to talk again.

That's true - but neither has he done the opposite either, and walked.  He's keeping his own counsel...which is very unlike him.  It feels to me as if he is under some form of obligation - probably legal - to keep quiet for now.  A bit of a guess there.  But if correct, it would indicate that he has a stake in what happens next.


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: herthab on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 20:31:16
For Paolo nothing's changed. It means exactly that. The takeover is still not completed and he's still operating under the embargo. Until the above points are resolved,  why would he have changed his stance? I'm going to try and avoid speculating what he is, or isn't going to do until the takeover's complete.


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 20:32:54
Oops, accidentally upset Sam Morshead, someone on here quoted Pdc saying he'd said nothing had changed re Crawley statement. I asked if that was accurate, I.e. is that what he said, didn't realise it came from adver in first place. He thought I was asking if he made it up!!!

Oh well.

Ah, he just clarified he wasn't pissed off at me. Phew. I don't like confrontation.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 20:35:55
I think its Sam's time of month


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Salford Red on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 20:36:31
Interesting!

Address litsed on VFUND Website:
VFUND
119 High Road
Loughton, Essex
IG10 4LT

And

SPENCER Philip    PMS Sports International Limited
119 High Road LOUGHTON, ESSEX IG10 4LT
Tel:+44208/418 81 23 Mobile:+44-860/626 008 Fax:+44-208/418 81


The plot thickens  :sherlock:




Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 20:43:15
What I already posted then


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Costanza on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 20:47:31
Why are we copy and pasting addresses? Spoon feed this simpleton please.


Title: Re: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 20:59:28
Why are we copy and pasting addresses? Spoon feed this simpleton please.

I think we are trying to prove 5 degrees of separation to the sultan of Brunei


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: nochee on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 21:06:00
Why are we copy and pasting addresses? Spoon feed this simpleton please.
So we know where to send our valentine cards?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Frigby Daser on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 21:12:22
But I assume no known link between King, Morrell, McCrory and Swindon Land Ltd?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 21:19:43
But I assume no known link between King, Morrell, McCrory and Swindon Land Ltd?

They're all linked if the Phil Spencer being mentioned is Paolo's Phil Spencer


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 21:24:25
So we know where to send our valentine cards?

Mines going to Paolo.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: corner on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 21:25:28
Mr Wayne Devine a recent friend of jed on twitter, owns upvc company also had something to do with Chippenham town f.c....


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 21:37:02
They're all linked if the Phil Spencer being mentioned is Paolo's Phil Spencer

Yes, one of his his previous companies registered to him is PMS Sports Associates or whatever they were called, the same PMS that is run by PdC's agent


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: janaage on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 21:42:22
Mr Wayne Devine a recent friend of jed on twitter, owns upvc company also had something to do with Chippenham town f.c....

Wayne Devine sounds like a porno actor name.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 21:44:30
Phil Spencer set up a company at the back of last year with the name Swindon in it, how you can take this information as a possible indication that he may have something to do with a consortium buying the football club sounds a bit mental to me.


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 21:48:44
A nod is as good as a wink to a blind man.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 21:55:07
Phil Spencer set up a company at the back of last year with the name Swindon in it, how you can take this information as a possible indication that he may have something to do with a consortium buying the football club sounds a bit mental to me.

You've not really been paying much attention, have you?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 21:58:41
Phil Spencer set up a company at the back of last year with the name Swindon in it, how you can take this information as a possible indication that he may have something to do with a consortium buying the football club sounds a bit mental to me.

Its a punt mate, probably nothing in it, merely speculation to pass away the wet winter nights


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 22:00:43
Skimming that Luton stuff it initially reads that King flagged up that there was dodgy stuff going on which he didn't want to be part of?

I guess this post was the most interesting. Do any of us actually know Martin Kings role with Luton?

Again, skim reading it seems that King stepped away from Luton due to the shenanigans by others

http://news.bbc.co.uk/mobile/bbc_news/england/nwyl/midlands/three_counties/709/70970/story7097084.shtml?cache_buster=20070611032052

Quote
"And also another director, Martin King, resigned in the wake of the manager's departure, saying he was concerned with a number of issues and not just the one to sack Newell at the time."


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 22:10:24
You've not really been paying much attention, have you?

Spencer could of set up a business for a 1000 different reasons, he is a businessman who is in Swindon every other day, he could be buying a few houses in Swindon to rent to loan players for example, it's pure conjecture to suggest it has anything to do with him being involved in buying the club, so your right that I don't follow so please explain what I am missing.


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Frigby Daser on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 22:23:12
Bar a company name referring to Swindon, I still see no link to the 3 known members of the new board.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 22:28:09
You've not really been paying much attention, have you?


Once again you have tried to give it the big one there, but have you humiliated yourself on the Swindon town chat forum yet again, better luck next time.....   


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 22:30:52

Once again you have tried to give it the big one there, but have you humiliated yourself on the Swindon town chat forum yet again, better luck next time.....   

Steady on, how has he humiliated himself? This is merely a few people speculating on an open forum, nobody is stating facts, claiming to be in the know or saying there is any conclusive link in all this. Just a rumour that really ain't worth pissing your pants over, what will be will be.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 22:39:18
Steady on, how has he humiliated himself? This is merely a few people speculating on an open forum, nobody is stating facts, claiming to be in the know or saying there is any conclusive link in all this. Just a rumour that really ain't worth pissing your pants over, what will be will be.


If you read the above post properly you will see I was clearly referring to Flashhart for deciding for no good reason other then to show off as usual by telling me "You've not really been paying much attention, have you?" (I quoted him) I was not referring to the conversion regarding Spencer, so maybe maybe you should  read the posts properly before pissing your pants, as it ain't worth it.  


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 22:48:46
Posting on this forum is like being married, every time you speak someone jumps down your throat!!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Coca Fola on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 22:50:38
It's because you only have 78 posts, always happens with new posters. I have 4000 posts and nobody listens to me, although that could be down to the fact that I spout complete bollocks most of the time.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: GoSWINDON on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 22:51:23
Posting on this forum is like being married, every time you speak someone jumps down your throat!!

 :sofa:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: GoSWINDON on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 22:55:29
It's because you only have 78 posts, always happens with new posters. I have 4000 posts and nobody listens to me, although that could be down to the fact that I spout complete bollocks most of the time.

it's true , you only have 3995 posts


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 22:58:27
If you read the above post properly you will see I was clearly referring to Flashhart for deciding for no good reason other then to show off as usual by telling me "You've not really been paying much attention, have you?" (I quoted him) I was not referring to the conversion regarding Spencer, so maybe maybe you should  read the posts properly before pissing your pants, as it ain't worth it.  

My pants remain dry, and thankfully, my wife doesn't sound nowhere near as miserable as yours.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 22:59:48
It's because you only have 78 posts, always happens with new posters. I have 4000 posts and nobody listens to me, although that could be down to the fact that I spout complete bollocks most of the time.

A warm welcome TO, and not a word , quick to fucking criticise eh  :(


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 23:20:37
My pants remain dry, and thankfully, my wife doesn't sound nowhere near as miserable as yours.

Not really sure what the point of your post is, might be that you don't find jokes about married life funny? it's a shame your not as quick to withdraw your misguided and rude posts, as you are to write them.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 23:25:46
Not really sure what the point of your post is, might be that you don't find jokes about married life funny? it's a shame your not as quick to withdraw your misguided and rude posts, as you are to write them.

Was you bullied at school by any chance?  :nod:

I must have missed the joke bit, feel free to liberate the ignore button.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 23:39:57
Was you bullied at school by any chance?  :nod:

Again I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean, the bottom line is that you embarrassed yourself on the Swindon chat forum by not reading a post properly and flying off the handle, now man up and accept it, rather then posting this crazy bullshit that makes no sense.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: nochee on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 23:41:45
Again I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean, the bottom line is that you embarrassed yourself on the Swindon chat forum by not reading a post properly and frying off the handle, now man up and accept it, rather then posting this crazy bullshit that makes no sense.
SHUT UP


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 23:43:02
SHUT UP

mind your bees wax....


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: red socks on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 23:45:00
mind your bees wax....

Are you djostosky or whatever his name is? You seem a bit stressed ?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 23:46:59
Are you djostosky or whatever his name is? You seem a bit stressed ?

Can't stop laughing as it happens, it's always amusing how things are translated over the internet.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: GoSWINDON on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 23:51:51
Can't stop laughing as it happens, it's always amusing how things are translated over the internet.

I dont know what it is . I cant quite put my finger on it , but everytime you post i feel hungry


edit: can you change your picture please mate


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 23:52:33
Can't stop laughing as it happens, it's always amusing how things are translated over the internet.

And the translation heading this way would suggest you really need to chill. Random loon


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Saturday, February 9, 2013, 23:58:28
And the translation heading this way would suggest you really need to chill. Random loon

You can't post this for no reason whatsoever.....

Steady on, how has he humiliated himself? This is merely a few people speculating on an open forum, nobody is stating facts, claiming to be in the know or saying there is any conclusive link in all this. Just a rumour that really ain't worth pissing your pants over, what will be will be.

And then tell someone else to chill, if anyone is a hothead here it's you, your post attacked me for no reason and now your taking the morale high ground, that outrageous. 


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 00:05:06
I dont know what it is . I cant quite put my finger on it , but everytime you post i feel hungry


edit: can you change your picture please mate

I will edit my picture for you, because since i left thisistfc and started posting on here instead I have made a lot of good pals, and I want to keep it that way. :pint:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: GoSWINDON on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 00:06:55
I will edit my picture for you, because since i left thisistfc and started posting on here instead I have made a lot of good pals, and I want to keep it that way. :pint:

you are not louis  cassius are you ?

 edit:can you edit your picture to a vacuum cleaner cos i really need to tidy my house , tanks


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 00:12:20
Not sure why i am bothering, but hey ho.

Firstly, if that is how you define a hotheaded attacking post I pity you. Morale high ground? Get a grip, how old are you? (mentally). If you find my outrageous behaviour is not to your liking can I politely suggest, as I did earlier, that you use the ignore button.

I have to say, 99.9% of the folk on here seem like the sort I would love to have a pint with, but there is always an exception to the rule.

Louis Cassius eat your heart out, you got competition sunshine :-))))))))))

If its any help - http://www.samaritans.org/  failing that - www.thisisswindontown.co.uk


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 00:13:08
I will edit my picture for you, because since i left thisistfc and started posting on here instead I have made a lot of good pals, and I want to keep it that way. :pint:

Everything explained in one sentence.

Surely there should be a filter for this type of thing?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 00:17:15
you are not louis  cassius are you ?

 edit:can you edit your picture to a vacuum cleaner cos i really need to tidy my house , tanks

Sorry but I don't kiss and tell, however I am willing to considering changing the picture to a hoover.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: GoSWINDON on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 00:18:20
Sorry but I don't kiss and tell, however I am willing to considering changing the picture to a hoover.

thanks sucker


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 00:36:04
Not sure why i am bothering, but hey ho.

Firstly, if that is how you define a hotheaded attacking post I pity you. Morale high ground? Get a grip, how old are you? (mentally). If you find my outrageous behaviour is not to your liking can I politely suggest, as I did earlier, that you use the ignore button.

I have to say, 99.9% of the folk on here seem like the sort I would love to have a pint with, but there is always an exception to the rule.

Louis Cassius eat your heart out, you got competition sunshine :-))))))))))

If its any help - http://www.samaritans.org/  failing that - www.thisisswindontown.co.uk

You tried to have a dig at me for no reason whatsoever, but you choose the wrong person to pick on as I don't let shit like that slide, and I have never lost a debate since the internet started and as I always check my facts first, something you should do, you started it, I finished it, you embarrassed yourself, end of. 


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 00:38:57
[url width=300 height=330]http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png[/url]


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: GoSWINDON on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 00:40:18
[url width=300 height=330]http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png[/url]

 BEST POST EVER

Edit: SINCE THE INTERNET STARTED


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Samdy Gray on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 00:45:54
Fucking hell, I thought I'd wandered over to thisis then.

Children.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ron dodgers on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 00:53:17
ram it ram it ram it ram it up your poop shoot


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 00:58:32
You tried to have a dig at me for no reason whatsoever, but you choose the wrong person to pick on as I don't let shit like that slide, and I have never lost a debate since the internet started and as I always check my facts first, something you should do, you started it, I finished it, you embarrassed yourself, end of. 

I will go as easy as I can on you because I don't think anyone has ever been kind enough to tell you that you really ain't the full ticket, almost a Joey Deacon of the 21st century. For you internet busting records, who said this?

"Funny how when I had a laugh about fighting someone you jumped all over the post taking the morale high ground, but you have just posted about violence against people in your own post, what a hypocrite!! embarrassed yourself again!!"

And this....

"You have run out of logical argument and have EMBARRASSED yourself."

And this.....

"If this is true, then I will go down to the club and kick the living shit out the new 'owners' until they fuck off"

And this.....

"Even in jest telling me I should be 'put down' for wanting to improve the catering at a place I go to 9 months of the year, every year for many years of life makes you sound like a bit of a horrible fucker, could you please apologise as I'm a bit upset tbh"

And this......

"And maybe this is why Wray got the push, great football chairman but unable to sort out important commercial issues such as the lack of chips in the DRS, I hope Patey takes the time to sort this shit out"

I could go on but I think you can see the theme. I am very pleased for you that you have never lost an internet debate, I hope you have fun finding the debate you are looking for, as speaking for myself, I'm having far to much fun ripping the shit out of some chap that is quite clearly a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

Please tell me this is a Tans wind up account and Jeremy Beadles replacement is going to virtually jump out any minute.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 00:59:05
Fucking hell, I thought I'd wandered over to thisis then.

Children.


:-))))))))))


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 01:04:55
Fuck me, they really do come out at night don't they?

I'm glad I only poke my head around the door rather than spending all night in these places these days, they have become scary as fuck!  There are some right weirdos on here!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 01:06:41
Fuck me, they really do come out at night don't they?

I'm glad I only poke my head around the door rather than spending all night in these places these days, they have become scary as fuck!  There are some right weirdos on here!

Charming  :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: GoSWINDON on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 01:09:38
Fuck me, they really do come out at night don't they?

I'm glad I only poke my head around the door rather than spending all night in these places these days, they have become scary as fuck!  There are some right weirdos on here!

what time is it ? its Berniman time
edit :only joking


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 01:10:17
I will go as easy as I can on you because I don't think anyone has ever been kind enough to tell you that you really ain't the full ticket, almost a Joey Deacon of the 21st century. For you internet busting records, who said this?

"Funny how when I had a laugh about fighting someone you jumped all over the post taking the morale high ground, but you have just posted about violence against people in your own post, what a hypocrite!! embarrassed yourself again!!"

And this....

"You have run out of logical argument and have EMBARRASSED yourself."

And this.....

"If this is true, then I will go down to the club and kick the living shit out the new 'owners' until they fuck off"

And this.....

"Even in jest telling me I should be 'put down' for wanting to improve the catering at a place I go to 9 months of the year, every year for many years of life makes you sound like a bit of a horrible fucker, could you please apologise as I'm a bit upset tbh"

And this......

"And maybe this is why Wray got the push, great football chairman but unable to sort out important commercial issues such as the lack of chips in the DRS, I hope Patey takes the time to sort this shit out"

I could go on but I think you can see the theme. I am very pleased for you that you have never lost an internet debate, I hope you have fun finding the debate you are looking for, as speaking for myself, I'm having far to much fun ripping the shit out of some chap that is quite clearly a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

Please tell me this is a Tans wind up account and Jeremy Beadles replacement is going to virtually jump out any minute.



Your so upset that in an attempt to regain some face, you have went and read every single post I have ever made, and then cut and paste some!! looks like it's you who is not the full ticket, but I'm glad you have confirmed that I have won every debate I have had on here, just like this one.

And it's funny how you have only choose to post the jokes I have previously put on the forum, and they are quite funny at that too, shame however you did not post the proper debate I have had and won.

In fact now I read your post again it's a little bit sinister, you have taken a few jokes posts I have made, put them up and tried to make out i'm totally mental, some might say that's not very nice and a little twisted, oh dear.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: GoSWINDON on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 01:13:51
Your so upset that in an attempt to regain some face, you have went and read every single post I have ever made, and then cut and paste some!! looks like it's you who is not the full ticket, but I glad you have confirmed that I have won every debate I have had on here, just like this one.

u havent posted a hoover yet , cunt


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 01:15:41
I suggest everyone makes a cup of cocoa (non Fola) and goes to bed. . Like good little people


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 01:18:35
I honestly don't see this as a debate fella, I'm very pleased for you that you do and I hope you take massive satisfaction from thinking I am another of your internet debating scalps. I have always thought a debate requires at least a sensible subject to debate and discuss, you however are not a sensible subject and as welcome to my time as toothache.

Seriously, care in the community has so much to answer for.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 01:20:10
Do think your some sort of superior being coming on a internet forum swearing, insulting and judging other people just because you can't understand or relate to their conversations, your arrogant response is the most immature post on here, and if anyone is a child on here it's you.

Samdy mentioned Thisis, you proved his and my point in 1 post, goodnight


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 01:29:00
u havent posted a hoover yet , cunt

True x2


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Coca Fola on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 01:39:18
I suggest everyone makes a cup of cocoa (non Fola) and goes to bed. . Like good little people
Oi, I make a smashing cuppa.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 02:27:49
Are you djostosky or whatever his name is? You seem a bit stressed ?

Dosser has a few multis on here....


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 08:42:54
Ha ha
 
Looks like I went to bed at the wrong time.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 08:54:35
He won't have finished with you yet flash, he has never lost an internet debate you know.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 08:55:33
Don't think I can face the humiliation to be honest.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LucienSanchez on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 08:56:57
Can someone move that spat elsewhere, working my way through that to try and find the latest gossip/news was painful...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 09:00:24
Don't think I can face the humiliation to be honest.

Its fair to say we have been learned.





Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: herthab on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 09:01:01
Even the arguments on here are shit nowadays.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 10:12:57
It won't be Phil and Vince behind the consortium, I have it from the horses mouth, although I am now subject to the NDA to say any more.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Berniman on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 10:26:20
Oi, I make a smashing cuppa.

 :D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: joteddyred on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 10:27:48
Can someone move that spat elsewhere, working my way through that to try and find the latest gossip/news was painful...

Yep, three pages of complete nonsense.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ron dodgers on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 10:34:50
Poop chute ramming is not nonsense - nerrrrrrr


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Gibbons on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 10:37:53
Well, I for one thoroughly enjoyed reading that.  More of the same please Shaw Rosso and SupermarioTV.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Sussex on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 11:03:11
Who sacked the gatekeeper?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 11:04:24
He seems very shady-esque to me.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 11:16:24
I'm not too fussed if the takeover drags to late this week given that we don't have a game until Feb 19th now. As long as there is enough time to get some loans in we'll be all set for an assault on the top 2.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 11:22:12
Well, I for one thoroughly enjoyed reading that.  More of the same please Shaw Rosso and SupermarioTV.

Thank you Peter, my abilities are not just limited to matchday thread starting.

I know disagreeing is beyond a few on here which is fine, each to their own and I fully respect that, buuuuuut, if a prick like that wants to have a go, after a few sherberts on a Saturday I am likely to respond. Seriously, the Swindon Chat Forum? If nutjobs that have flown in from Thisis to try and give themselves some sort of credibility want to come and have a go then new members need to be vetted for basic levels of sanity, thankfully I am not a new member so I should be ok, but a general waste of DNA such as that should be left to winning internet debates with those that want to debate with him, as I stated several times throughout.

This trauma has forced me to pop to Tesco this morning and purchase some Austrian Smoked Cheese, a gurt lump of Somerset Extra Mature Cheddar and a smashing bit of Camambert, which I may well roll in some breadcrumbs and fry.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: wigglesworth on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 11:23:54
Reading through an internet fight is like watching two teams who have already been relegated and have nothing left to play for duking out a nil nil on the last day of the season infront of a few hundred bored onlookers.*  :zzz:

Always funny to see how important the last word is on the internet, when none of these discussions would ever take place in real life!

*(c) Swiss Tony


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 11:24:19
I'm not too fussed if the takeover drags to late this week given that we don't have a game until Feb 19th now. As long as there is enough time to get some loans in we'll be all set for an assault on the top 2.

I feel the same as that, although with all 3 loan targets featuring for their respective clubs yesterday I wonder if the targets may well change?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Posh Red on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 11:28:45
ram it ram it ram it ram it up your poop shoot

......Corn Hole

Cant beat a bit of Frank :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 11:44:22
I feel the same as that, although with all 3 loan targets featuring for their respective clubs yesterday I wonder if the targets may well change?

I think they probably will to be honest.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Hoboken on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 11:58:05
I think they probably will to be honest.

So what is the official position on emergency loans, and getting them extended if we are in the playoffs? league 1 playoff final is 19th May, so to be sure, should we NOT sign anyone until 17th Feb? (I.e. 93 days beforehand?)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 11:59:38
I think they probably will to be honest.

Paolo did mention a need for an out and out goalscorer in his post match interview, not sure if BWP is exactly that.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Frigby Daser on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 12:01:07
So in summary, Phil Spencer set up Swindon Land Ltd with Vincent somethingorother,  which has no link whatsoever to the new consortium, which we know is made up of McCrory, Martin King (ex Luton) and Steve Morrell (not ex Luton), but there are a couple of members we don't know about yet. Oh, and there was a late night argument when the FL show got into the League 2 bits.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 12:02:08
So in summary, Phil Spencer set up Swindon Land Ltd with Vincent somethingorother,  which has no link whatsoever to the new consortium, which we know is made up of McCrory, Martin King (ex Luton) and Steve Morrell (not ex Luton), but there are a couple of members we don't know about yet. Oh, and there was a late night argument when the FL show got into the League 2 bits.

Nailed.


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Fred Elliot on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 12:53:42
Even the arguments on here are shit nowadays.

No they're fucking not


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 13:00:42
Paolo did mention a need for an out and out goalscorer in his post match interview, not sure if BWP is exactly that.
31 goals in 72 games for Charlton. One goal every 2.32 games. As good as we can expect to get I would imagine :hmmm:


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BruceChatwin on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 13:21:38
No they're fucking not

Yes they fucking are.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 13:35:37
Mr Wayne Devine a recent friend of jed on twitter, owns upvc company also had something to do with Chippenham town f.c....
Wayne Devine used to, & possibly still does, own Griffin Windows & Techniglass which are based in the Rhondda Valleys in South Wales. Their both a couple of miles away from where I live & a lot of my mates work in both factories. I also seem to remember him outbidding either Craig Bellamy or John Hartson for a huge manor type house in the Vale of Glamorgan a few years back. Not that this has any relevance but I thought I'd mention it!!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Cookie on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 13:44:06
Can Martin King (ex Luton) be referred to as Martin Luton King from now on please.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 13:47:31
'I have a (wet) dream'


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: bullethead on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 13:49:24
Can Martin King (ex Luton) be referred to as Martin Luton King from now on please.

That just made me chuckle out loud. Hope he has a dream about STFC in the prem.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 14:01:41
Can Martin King (ex Luton) be referred to as Martin Luton King from now on please.

Genius.  Take a bow, Sir.

'Martin Luton King' it is.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: wokinghamred on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 14:13:29
Wayne Devine used to, & possibly still does, own Griffin Windows & Techniglass which are based in the Rhondda Valleys in South Wales. Their both a couple of miles away from where I live & a lot of my mates work in both factories. I also seem to remember him outbidding either Craig Bellamy or John Hartson for a huge manor type house in the Vale of Glamorgan a few years back. Not that this has any relevance but I thought I'd mention it!!

He and the other shareholder sold out to Masco for £30 something million a few years ago.
(Masco are a $9bn corporation). He is now CEO of Masco UK


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 14:22:01
He and the other shareholder sold out to Masco for £30 something million a few years ago.
(Masco are a $9bn corporation). He is now CEO of Masco UK
Now u mention it that does ring a bell. Not sure if he still lives in the area or not!! Will do a bit of digging on that to see if any of my mates know him personally!!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: corner on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 14:25:32
Now u mention it that does ring a bell. Not sure if he still lives in the area or not!! Will do a bit of digging on that to see if any of my mates know him personally!!
His twitter says ewenny South Wales, so would assume so, ask if he has been in Spain in the last week?.....


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: dphunt88 on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 14:29:56
Paolo did mention a need for an out and out goalscorer in his post match interview, not sure if BWP is exactly that.

My memories of BWP are that he doesn't do an awful lot outside the box - like Williams/Collins. But has a very happy knack of being in the right place to score a lot of goals. A quality that is very hard to teach.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: joteddyred on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 14:57:41
He and the other shareholder sold out to Masco for £30 something million a few years ago.
(Masco are a $9bn corporation). He is now CEO of Masco UK

Suggests he does have a bit of money then?

Hopefully all should become clear over the next few days.



Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Mother Brown on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 15:44:00
Yes they fucking are.
That"s not an argument,that"s contradiction.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 15:49:32
That"s not an argument,that"s contradiction.
No it isn't.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 15:51:16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTl9zYS3_dc


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Mother Brown on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 16:10:01
No it isn't.
Yes it is .


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: fatbasher on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 19:07:50
Here's how I read this and I shall title it...

Something For Everyone

PDC.

By having Black as an ongoing investor in the new venture, there is continuity of sorts. even if Black did sanction Ritchie's sale.
By having Spencer as a partner/investor he has inside info and confidance in things going his way.
By staying, with Spencer on board, he will be the "Alex Ferguson" of Swindon Town. Make no mistake, Paolo has made references to the champions league and Barcelona WRT to the town it is my opinion that he believes given the right foundations he can do that here... Yeah, fucking laugh but you'd be daft to think Paolo does not think that.

AB

As others have said and i quote "spunked £9m up against the wall" Well by retaining 25% and the above happening he will get that back in spades.....

Spencer

Pretty much the same as Paolo, except he will make a mint from the development of SN1 and player dealings and will be welded to the hip of Paolo.

The consortium

If they have £££'s, then they will have been seduced by the the development potential of SN1 which I feel confidant has been tacitally approved by the council either as a sale lock stock and barrel or on a long, long lease. In which case they will make shed loads more of £££££££'s. Why the fuck invest in STFC that will lose you money, just ask AB!

I am cooking dinner but wanted to post this whislt still in my mind. I will probably come back later and add/amend some of the above but it makes sense to me, think outside the box.   


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 19:52:04
I think this contributes nicely to the 80% bollocks.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: fatbasher on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 19:53:33
I think this contributes nicely to the 80% bollocks.

Thank you for your kind words.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 20:01:26
I just don't see what you're suggesting. The only part of it i can see is the development potential but I can;t see SBC playing ball with anyone even if its completely detrimental to the people of Swindon. I think the Ritchie sale would imply that nobody connected to Pdc was involved.
Can we now take the next 3 pages exchanging insults that nobody will give a fuck about.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Stegenfreud on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 20:04:27
PDC is a professional and commits 100% to his job. However if you think he is here for the long run then you'll be sorely disappointed. He has been great for the club and fans and we should appreciate his efforts for as long as they may continue but he won't be here for much longer. His career is more important to him than Swindon Town, being successful here helps his career and as soon as he can't obtain success here (for whatever reason) he'll be off, that's the long and short of it as far as I see it.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: fatbasher on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 20:17:12
I just don't see what you're suggesting. The only part of it i can see is the development potential but I can;t see SBC playing ball with anyone even if its completely detrimental to the people of Swindon. I think the Ritchie sale would imply that nobody connected to Pdc was involved.
Can we now take the next 3 pages exchanging insults that nobody will give a fuck about.

Don't flatter yourself Chalkie, I wouldn't waste my time. That said you are entitled to your opinion. My post was my creation and I'm man enough to take any shit you or anyone else throws at it or me. I may be 100% correct, though I am not deluded enough to put money on it. I stand by my assertaion that there is money & success in spades for anyone with enough bunce and balls to set things rolling. Certainly with PDC at the helm anything is possible. I and everyone else does not have the ear of PDC so as to his future, who knows. I doubt he does entirely.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: leefer on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 20:23:52
I like Chalike.....sort of mid sixties barber shop singers vibe to it.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: GoSWINDON on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 20:51:27
PDC is a professional and commits 100% to his job. However if you think he is here for the long run then you'll be sorely disappointed. He has been great for the club and fans and we should appreciate his efforts for as long as they may continue but he won't be here for much longer. His career is more important to him than Swindon Town, being successful here helps his career and as soon as he can't obtain success here (for whatever reason) he'll be off, that's the long and short of it as far as I see it.


whilst i agree , he ( pdc ) saw this as a stepping stone to bigger things originally, im not so sure its the same case now . I really believe he has fell in love with swindon and is very happy here , he loves the players the fans even the shitty town. Obviously things off the pitch may dictate his future quicker than what might off been , but if the takeover is a success  ( please god ) and he is reassured off the ambitions of the new owners , i dont think he will jump ship quite as quickly as you believe . Maybe if the West ham job does come up i maybe wrong .


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Gibbons on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 21:03:59
whilst i agree , he ( pdc ) saw this as a stepping stone to bigger things originally, im not so sure its the same case now . I really believe he has fell in love with swindon and is very happy here , he loves the players the fans even the shitty town. Obviously things off the pitch may dictate his future quicker than what might off been , but if the takeover is a success  ( please god ) and he is reassured off the ambitions of the new owners , i dont think he will jump ship quite as quickly as you believe . Maybe if the West ham job does come up i maybe wrong .

Don't think so mate.  Just enjoy it whilst it lasts.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: GoSWINDON on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 21:12:37
Don't think so mate.  Just enjoy it whilst it lasts.

Im loving it mate , i honestly cant remember looking forward to games as much as i do now . That is the PDC factor so maybe im being naive with my last comments . Anyway i would love it even more if this fucking damn takeover would just reach its conclusion.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jutty274 on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 21:21:05
Wayne Devine used to, & possibly still does, own Griffin Windows & Techniglass which are based in the Rhondda Valleys in South Wales. Their both a couple of miles away from where I live & a lot of my mates work in both factories. I also seem to remember him outbidding either Craig Bellamy or John Hartson for a huge manor type house in the Vale of Glamorgan a few years back. Not that this has any relevance but I thought I'd mention it!!
I was in a meeting with Wayne Devine on friday afternoon.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 21:21:53
I was in a meeting with Wayne Devine on friday afternoon.
Care to expand?!?!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 21:23:46
Care to expand?!?!

Jed, are you multi millionaire?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 21:23:58
I was in a meeting with Wayne Devine on friday afternoon.
let's just glaze over this, shall we...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jutty274 on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 21:26:05
I can confirm he was not in Spain in the last 2 weeks but is currently in Dubai


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 21:30:20
Jed, are you multi millionaire?
Yes, yes I am!!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 21:31:09
I can confirm he was not in Spain in the last 2 weeks but is currently in Dubai
Having not read through all of the thread why the mention of Spain??


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jutty274 on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 21:32:07
The company i work for are Masco's biggest customer so he was down & i was in the meeting he was having with some of my bosses


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jutty274 on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 21:33:45
Having not read through all of the thread why the mention of Spain??
On page 111 someone asked if he had been to Spain in the last couple of weeks


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 21:34:55
The company i work for are Masco's biggest customer so he was down & i was in the meeting he was having with some of my bosses
Do you know if his wealth extends to him being in a position to invest in a football club of our size these days??


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jutty274 on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 21:36:38
He is a very wealthy person, but i don't know if he would have time due to his commitments to Masco.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Joe Lemon on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 21:39:19
Yes, yes I am!!

Well done, that answer alone will calm the masses! 


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 21:41:59
He is a very wealthy person, but i don't know if he would have time due to his commitments to Masco.
Not sure whether having the time equates to whether or not he would consider investment or not. Black was very rarely at the club and focused the majority of his time and attentions on other business interests he held from what I know of. I've also read somewhere, possibly on ThisIs, that 1, maybe 2, of the investors intend to remain silent even after the t******r has been ratified so I suppose there is a possibility he could be one of those although I get the feeling I may be wide of the mark with that.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 21:43:43
Well done, that answer alone will calm the masses! 
I've always been told to say what the people want to here rather than what is factually correct  :D ;D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 21:44:59
I've always been told to say what the people want to here rather than what is factually correct  :D ;D

Truth is a poor cousin Jed...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 21:47:04
Truth is a poor cousin Jed...
The truth can often get in the way & spoil what is a perfectly good rumour!! I have no time for the truth  :D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jutty274 on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 21:47:27
He could be thinking of doing it, but it doesn't seem like the type of thing he would be interested in. If he is one of the consortium i am making sure he gets me a free season ticket next season.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 21:50:47
He could be thinking of doing it, but it doesn't seem like the type of thing he would be interested in. If he is one of the consortium i am making sure he gets me a free season ticket next season.
Good shout - got a feeling you'll be paying though  :D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pumbaa on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 21:52:16
Fucking hell, I thought I'd wandered over to thisis then.

Children.

You did. Welcome home!

 :D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: corner on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 22:57:12
The reason why were waiting is one of the new consortium was in Spain, they are all of to FL hq tommorow, will be done Tuesday.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: joteddyred on Sunday, February 10, 2013, 23:31:52
The reason why were waiting is one of the new consortium was in Spain, they are all of to FL hq tommorow, will be done Tuesday.

Really?  How do you know this?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Monday, February 11, 2013, 00:03:37
Thank you Peter, my abilities are not just limited to matchday thread starting.

I know disagreeing is beyond a few on here which is fine, each to their own and I fully respect that, buuuuuut, if a prick like that wants to have a go, after a few sherberts on a Saturday I am likely to respond. Seriously, the Swindon Chat Forum? If nutjobs that have flown in from Thisis to try and give themselves some sort of credibility want to come and have a go then new members need to be vetted for basic levels of sanity, thankfully I am not a new member so I should be ok, but a general waste of DNA such as that should be left to winning internet debates with those that want to debate with him, as I stated several times throughout.

This trauma has forced me to pop to Tesco this morning and purchase some Austrian Smoked Cheese, a gurt lump of Somerset Extra Mature Cheddar and a smashing bit of Camambert, which I may well roll in some breadcrumbs and fry.



oh dear oh dear, I missed this from you, my posts were all tongue in cheek and a bit of banner but after reading this from you, your really not a very nice person are you, anyone who can pour out this bile clearly has some issues.

I have to go to bed now as I need to be up for work, something which I doubt you would know much about.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Monday, February 11, 2013, 00:19:42
oh dear oh dear, I missed this from you, my posts were all tongue in cheek and a bit of banner but after reading this from you, your really not a very nice person are you, anyone who can pour out this bile clearly has some issues.

I have to go to bed now as I need to be up for work, something which I doubt you would know much about.

trolololololol sleep tight princess


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: FreddySTFC! on Monday, February 11, 2013, 10:30:03
The reason why were waiting is one of the new consortium was in Spain, they are all of to FL hq tommorow, will be done Tuesday.
U seem very confiedent about this. Are u Jed McCrory??  :D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: OrangeTransits on Monday, February 11, 2013, 11:16:59
Well Thats It.
Paolo is off then.....

Just seen on Sky News the Pope is about to resign.

Will Hill have made Paolo 4/5 FAV to succeed as next Pope........

The Miracles he has already performed at STFC make him number 1 candidate !!!!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 11, 2013, 13:02:15
It's what the Football League have been waiting for to ratify the takeover, it's a well known part of the fit and proper person test that you can't hold a high ranking position at a football club and within the catholic church simultaneously.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: corner on Monday, February 11, 2013, 13:57:52
Keith D'Arcy Ryan of I print digital. Is part of the takeover.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: tans on Monday, February 11, 2013, 14:01:04
Keith D'Arcy Ryan of I print digital. Is part of the takeover.

where did you hear this?

did a search for iprint digital, its based in jamaica?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, February 11, 2013, 14:02:22
Keith D'Arcy Ryan of I print digital. Is part of the takeover.
It wouldn't appear so according to his tweets, very highly doubtful.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Monday, February 11, 2013, 14:20:32
Could be a smokescreen of course  :hmmm: Hope he has got a few bob as Swindon's biggest printer, ESP turns over £11m max

Keith D'Arcy Ryan ‏@keifer74
@JanAageFjortoft we just need to know who's making the decisions at STFC! Any wealthy potential owners for us on Norge?
 View conversation


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: AldbourneRed on Monday, February 11, 2013, 14:56:07
Keith's a family friend, I've heard nothing of this at all from him, so would be very surprised if there were any legs to this.

Doesn't mean I can't ask though...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Fred Elliot on Monday, February 11, 2013, 15:11:10
Keith D'Arcy Ryan of I print digital. Is part of the takeover.

In what context may I ask ?

As in part of the consortium, or has he been promised he can print the match day menus in the sponsors suite ?

Genuine question


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Monday, February 11, 2013, 15:14:46
Keith's a family friend, I've heard nothing of this at all from him, so would be very surprised if there were any legs to this.

Doesn't mean I can't ask though...

To save time could you also ask him what his favourite cheese is?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: WR5 on Monday, February 11, 2013, 15:21:57
To save time could you also ask him what his favourite cheese is?
and if he can quote for 10000 a5 orange flyers


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: corner on Monday, February 11, 2013, 15:24:18
Keith's a family friend, I've heard nothing of this at all from him, so would be very surprised if there were any legs to this.

Doesn't mean I can't ask though...

Be good to get it from the horses mouth?.....

@Smith_Creative: @keifer74 I hear you've just purchased Swindon FC, bout time you spent some of your money :)

@keifer74: @Smith_Creative well one has to make sound investments and STFC is one! How's the French?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Monday, February 11, 2013, 15:49:04
Tell him to join up to the TEF so we can have an ask Keith thread.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Trashbat? on Monday, February 11, 2013, 15:54:17
Be good to get it from the horses mouth?.....

@Smith_Creative: @keifer74 I hear you've just purchased Swindon FC, bout time you spent some of your money :)

@keifer74: @Smith_Creative well one has to make sound investments and STFC is one! How's the French?


Just sounds like two mates making a joke and catching up to me


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Monday, February 11, 2013, 16:05:20
Just sounds like two mates making a joke and catching up to me
Sounds like that to me too.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: welshred on Monday, February 11, 2013, 16:06:11
Unless he's inherited a shitload of cash, and just run the print business to keep himself busy, there's no way he's have enough money to be involved in a football club.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: corner on Monday, February 11, 2013, 16:09:34
Yeh it could be bollocks, who says you need a shit load of cash to take on a club, there are a few of them.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Fred Elliot on Monday, February 11, 2013, 16:43:21
Yeh it could be bollocks, who says you need a shit load of cash to take on a club, there are a few of them.

Yes but you made it sound like fact.

Poor form


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: AldbourneRed on Monday, February 11, 2013, 16:46:00
I've had my spies (i.e. Mrs AldbourneRed) do some digging and there's no truth in the Keith rumour, as has been suggested it was just a couple of mates having a joke.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Fred Elliot on Monday, February 11, 2013, 16:50:02
I've had my spies (i.e. Mrs AldbourneRed) do some digging and there's no truth in the Keith rumour, as has been suggested it was just a couple of mates having a joke.

Now there's a surprise.

Thanks AR (and more importantly Mrs AR)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: corner on Monday, February 11, 2013, 17:01:50
I've had my spies (i.e. Mrs AldbourneRed) do some digging and there's no truth in the Keith rumour, as has been suggested it was just a couple of mates having a joke.
Yeah well done A R. On to the next one.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Monday, February 11, 2013, 18:33:02
Keith D'Arcy Ryan of I print digital. Is part of the takeover.


And well done to you for being a Gobshite, is there any need?   


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: corner on Monday, February 11, 2013, 18:39:40

And well done to you for being a Gobshite, is there any need?   
Do you want to take this to the other thread?   :I'm a complete mofleakin Deak


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: supermarioTV on Monday, February 11, 2013, 18:42:16
Do you want to take this to the other thread?   :I'm a complete mofleakin Deak

Normally I would but I'm about to have my pork chops, so your just have to take your internet beat down like a man, call me a cunt and get over it.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: corner on Monday, February 11, 2013, 18:44:14
You don't deserve to be called a cunt. X


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Monday, February 11, 2013, 19:21:11
I think someone just lost their first ever "debate" in the history of the internet ever.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: FormerlyPlymRed on Monday, February 11, 2013, 19:55:53
Back to football, when does the emergency loan window end?

Really hope this gets sorted in the next few days so we can bring in some reinforcements


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Summerof69 on Monday, February 11, 2013, 19:57:44
Back to football, when does the emergency loan window end?


Normally the last Thursday in March


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: FormerlyPlymRed on Monday, February 11, 2013, 20:03:18
Normally the last Thursday in March
Ah that's good as that's later than I thought!



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Monday, February 11, 2013, 21:15:58
Normally I would but I'm about to have my pork chops

Is that a euphemism?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Saxondale on Monday, February 11, 2013, 21:45:11
So Jed is over on twitter answering questions at the moment then. Irish cheddar I see.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Monday, February 11, 2013, 21:52:29
He's not a cheese fan apparently. Oh dear.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, February 11, 2013, 21:54:51
bollocks to the cheese, i want to know his real name.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Monday, February 11, 2013, 22:29:44
He seems likeable via twitter.

Though that may be cause he just replied to me with a load of beer smilies which tends to make me like a person.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, February 11, 2013, 22:59:34
He's not a cheese fan apparently. Oh dear.
Well, we're fucked then.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Monday, February 11, 2013, 23:08:33
He has answered tons of stuff on Twitter, if he is as good as his words then fair play. One thing that endeared me to Jeremy Wray was his communicating with the Town faithful and he constantly defended the clubs corner at the slightest sniff of any controversy. If Jed The Red can take on some of this and help the club become "self sustainable" as he suggests this evening, then early signs are promising.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: joteddyred on Monday, February 11, 2013, 23:13:51
I'm not on twitter.  Has he been answering questions directly linked to the takeover?  Does that means the NDA is no longer in force?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Shaw Rosso on Monday, February 11, 2013, 23:26:57
It doesn't seem he has revealed anything of a sensitive nature, I think he said about the takeover being complete by tomorrow of Friday.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: yeo on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 00:11:08
He seems a bit David Brent to me.

I base this on nothing much.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: thedarkprince on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 00:48:24
One message did say they would either be meeting the FL on Wed or Friday. Fingers-crossed its the former.

Must admit I didn't realise he was that young. I assumed he was in his 60s based purely on his name. Haven't seen any pics of him in papers as live in Devon.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Riddick on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 07:04:01
Self sustainable?

Thats code for they have money to fund the club as black has done, so cut backs on the way in the summer


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 07:07:39
Adver learn name of 4th member of board.

Gary Hooper the ex brentford and qpr commercial manager.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 07:38:08
Self sustainable?

Thats code for they have (no) money to fund the club as black has done, so cut backs on the way in the summer

I think you meant no money so corrected it above.

I don't think that it is much different from what Fitton originally wanted. I think you are right though, so this season could be our last chance for a while to leave the lower leagues.  And IF this is the case I can't see Paolo staying beyond the end of the season...

But I also think there is currently little choice. Being self sustaining is a good if less exciting thing. We really can't keep doing the boom and bust cycles.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Stegenfreud on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 07:47:01
It is reasonable to assume that the development of the CG is the main motivation for any incoming consortium. Maintaining status quo (league 1) while this occurs without having to cover too many losses is probably order of the day (understandably). Hopefully this doesn't mean impacting on PDC's budget too much, well this season anyway. It would be good if they could fund a few loans to give it a proper go this season.

Interesting times.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 07:58:09
Let's not start running away with assumptions, innit.

The last lot had a plan of achieving sustainability when they came in yet they still funded a promotion push even under Fitton. It might be that they only see self sustainability as viable in the Championship and are willing to invest to get there, it might mean something completely different.

It could mean anything, we just have to wait and see.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 08:05:53
You are of course correct BR, though it doesn't hurt to keep a watching brief.

However its also true the difference here is we have been told 4 of the 5 names (assuming they are accurate). So far we don't have a Black or Arbib to fund getting into the Championship...

I'm not trying to put a negative spin on the takeover before it has begun, but it is a discussion forum after all :)

Lets hope Jed forged a good friendship with Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor while replacing his windows*

*he might not have replaced his windows ;)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 08:19:42
Adver learn name of 4th member of board.

Gary Hooper the ex brentford and qpr commercial manager.

http://www.onevalefan.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?54864-Gary-Hooper-Consultant-Ameriturf/page1

Found this on a Port Vale forum, it appears that Gary Hooper was a consultant for an American artificial pitch company.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 08:39:18
But none of the 4 revealed so far have any real money to put in so I assume member number 5 is the money man and others are coming with him along for the ride not putting anything of their own at risk


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 08:47:58
http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/Port-Vale-Ameriturf-ready-reconsider-investment/story-15087583-detail/story.html?sp=normal&1360658642637#axzz2KfljwZb6

I have a feeling this Ameriturf might be involved in our takeover if this Gary Hooper is still involved with them.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 09:28:23
I don't think that it is much different from what Fitton originally wanted. I think you are right though, so this season could be our last chance for a while to leave the lower leagues.  And IF this is the case I can't see Paolo staying beyond the end of the season...

Agree with all the comments above (Batch, Flash, Stegenfreud), but the highlighted bit caught my eye.  And I'm actually very comfortable with this.  Of course, we have to go full tilt at promotion this season.  Right up there with just a third of the season to go; it would be madness not to.

BUT, let's suppose we don't make it - for what ever reason.  Given that as a starting point for 2013/14, I think I'd be fairly happy to see us maintain our position in League 1 for a few seasons [important rider coming up]...so long as the new owners were focussing their energies on implementing a stadium development plan; and one that is sufficiently ambitious (20,000 capacity minimum) that could lead to self-sufficiency in the Championship.

Reading and Swansea both had their new stadia before they started climbing the leagues (and were both attracting decent 5 figures crowds in the lower leagues immediately following their moves).  Get the stadium issue sorted - and sorted properly, and professionally (no half-arsed botched jobs like up the road) - and then in two or three seasons we will be leaving the lower leagues anyway.  It will just take a little time.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: london_red on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 09:35:29
Reading and Swansea both had their new stadia before they started climbing the leagues (and were both attracting decent 5 figures crowds in the lower leagues immediately following their moves).  Get the stadium issue sorted - and sorted properly, and professionally (no half-arsed botched jobs like up the road) - and then in two or three seasons we will be leaving the lower leagues anyway.  It will just take a little time.

Absolutely. More important to do it properly than to do it now.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 09:35:31
I think someone just lost their first ever "debate" in the history of the internet ever.

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Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: @MacPhlea on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 09:39:15
http://www.thisisstaffordshire.co.uk/Port-Vale-Ameriturf-ready-reconsider-investment/story-15087583-detail/story.html?sp=normal&1360658642637#axzz2KfljwZb6

I have a feeling this Ameriturf might be involved in our takeover if this Gary Hooper is still involved with them.

Oooh makes my life easier ;)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: mrverve on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 09:42:27
I think the long term aim has to be about sustainability but the short term has to be Championship football, it's absolutely paramount in keeping this club moving forward.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BruceChatwin on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 10:09:38
If they have little money for on field investment but a clear plan for keeping us sustainable while funding the development of a new stadium then that's pretty much the ideal scenario in my book.

The worry is they have little money for on field investment and both fewer funds and (snap judgement) less business savvy than the last lot for getting the stadium development going.

If the team aren't really going anywhere on the pitch then the fans need to feel the club is going somewhere off it or we'll lose what extra support we've built up in the Di Canio era and slip back into treading water in lower league mediocrity. 

Edit: whatever happens, it's paramount they make the short term investment necessary in giving the current team the chance to get promoted.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 10:15:36
http://www.onevalefan.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?54864-Gary-Hooper-Consultant-Ameriturf/page1

Found this on a Port Vale forum, it appears that Gary Hooper was a consultant for an American artificial pitch company.

This is one of the first "leaks" that make some sense, assuming this is our man. The FL are looking at changing the rules to allow artificial pitches....this then could mean after the initial outlay, an income generator through community use, and less overheads on maintainance...and losses through postponements. It is a good fit for a more sustainable future.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 10:23:05
To be fair with our average attendances compared to other clubs in this division, we should be creating enough revenue to stay competitive on the pitch and be sustainable.

The key in this scenario being the manager and board getting the most out of what they can afford, while also getting key decisions right. I think under Wilson/Fitton we saw the good and bad of a manager and board running a sustainable club.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RJack on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 10:27:39
I don't think it's that Gary Hooper.  BBC RS said he was Commercial manager for Brentford & previously QPR


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 10:28:27
To be fair with our average attendances compared to other clubs in this division, we should be creating enough revenue to stay competitive on the pitch and be sustainable.

On a level playing field. But Bournemouth (and our recent self) shows that a club with a benefactor can compensate for lack of real revenue. Its just not self sustaining as we know.

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The key in this scenario being the manager and board getting the most out of what they can afford, while also getting key decisions right. I think under Wilson/Fitton we saw the good and bad of a manager and board running a sustainable club.

Indeed, but at least it shows sustainability doesn't always equal relegation dogfight! That said I agree its vital to keeping the momentum for the fans to see long term progress (the right redevelopment) if there is short term pain coming.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 10:31:32
I don't think it's that Gary Hooper.  BBC RS said he was Commercial manager for Brentford & previously QPR
Working alongside Bill Power while at QPR and Mark Devlin at Brentford.

There is my 2+2=4,657 for ya as to the mystery investor.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 10:39:13
I think this is the Mistry investor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_Pallonji_Mistry


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 10:39:22
To be fair with our average attendances compared to other clubs in this division, we should be creating enough revenue to stay competitive on the pitch and be sustainable.

The key in this scenario being the manager and board getting the most out of what they can afford, while also getting key decisions right. I think under Wilson/Fitton we saw the good and bad of a manager and board running a sustainable club.


But we don't create enough revenue to be sustainable...which is probably one of the reasons for Black wanting out. It's a difficult one to consider at what sort of level in the pyramid...might we be self sustainable? 

Take the scum as a model, they have a relatively small wage budget £1.5 mill a season....compared to our £3 mill. For which they get an ability to maintain Div 4/Conference level football, but still lose close approx £750K a year which the chairman covers.

They of course get next to nothing from other sources connected to the ground..

Is the logic of wishing to be sustainable to accept a slight drop down the football pyramid? It seems to me that the current model would be completely at odds with the little we've heard about the new lot...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 10:42:39
I don't think it's that Gary Hooper.  BBC RS said he was Commercial manager for Brentford & previously QPR

Port Vale fans seemed to think it was the same person, whether it was confirmed or not I don’t know.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 10:43:12
I think this is the Mistry investor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_Pallonji_Mistry

Having Indian involvement at STFC would make me happy!  :D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 10:56:03
Is the logic of wishing to be sustainable to accept a slight drop down the football pyramid? It seems to me that the current model would be completely at odds with the little we've heard about the new lot...

No.  Hence earlier comments about getting the development/redevelopment right.

With a stadium like Oxford's (sited in a poor location, rented from a third party and with little opportunity to develop alternative income streams), sustainability probably does mean settling around League 2, with occasional forays in to League 1 and the Conference.  Despite being fairly well supported at that level, they are hamstrung/constrained by their stadium situation.  To be truly sustainable (ie if Lenegan stopped funding their losses to the tune of several £100k per annum), they would have to accept lower league football as their only realistic aim in the longer term.

But with a well located stadium, that the Club owned (even if it won't own the freehold of the land its sited on), with facilities on site that will generate additional revenues - sustainability in the Championship (and higher) is perfectly possible.  There are plenty of examples to show this.  In our case, I'm not even going to entertain Premiership football as a possibility again - and nor do I really want to.  But Championship football on a self-sustaining budget is, most definitely.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Barnard on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 10:57:58

Is the logic of wishing to be sustainable to accept a slight drop down the football pyramid? It seems to me that the current model would be completely at odds with the little we've heard about the new lot...

I got the impression that Fitton thought that the financial fair play rules would produce a position where clubs naturally found their level based on attendances and the ability to sell players further up the food chain.

If this had happened we would be sitting naturally at the top end of League 1 based on attendances and with some astute management of players etc and a bit of development, we would have had the potential to shift that natural position to a sustainable mid table championship club.

The fair play rules haven't had that sort of impact at all as yet, with clubs like Bournemouth, Crawley etc showing that there are ways round the limits on turnover.  In addition we've seen that 1 seasons mismanagement on the pitch can seriously fuck you up.

As things stand, if we are to be sustainable in the current climate based purely on our attendances, that might be at a lower level than we might like. I can't see running a bottom end of L1 side being attractive to the new guys and hope that their idea of sustainable is something slightly different.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: STFCforeigner on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 11:12:33
http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/Paul-Baker-Cheltenham-Town-turned-Jed-McCrory/story-18125137-detail/story.html#axzz2KWyRwU72?8815916357&redirected=true

Just spotted this. Probably old news but hey


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 11:23:49
So Andrew Black retains a 25% shareholding?  That's still very significant.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 11:25:50

"We did have an approach from the consortium who are now at Swindon, but we weren't convinced and you have to be very careful," Baker said.

"You have to be very thorough with your due diligence and the fact they want to become the controlling stake holders was a problem."

Sounds like the Cheltenham chairman wanted to keep the controlling stake, whereas Black doesn't. Little in this article really.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 11:26:43
So Andrew Black retains a 25% shareholding?  That's still very significant.

I thought I read that it was 15%. Can't remember where though.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 11:31:20
So Andrew Black retains a 25% shareholding?  That's still very significant.
I heard it was spread between Black, Wray and Fitton with Black holding the main part of it, something like 15%, 5% and 5%.

Could be wrong on that though.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 11:31:31
http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/Paul-Baker-Cheltenham-Town-turned-Jed-McCrory/story-18125137-detail/story.html#axzz2KWyRwU72?8815916357&redirected=true

Just spotted this. Probably old news but hey

To be honest doesn't actuslly say a great deal does it, they wanted majority ownership he didn't want to sell that, thats his perogative and good luck to him.

I think until we see photo's on pitch with scarves over heads we are piddling in the wind with regards to the new owners means, abilities and intentions.

It is fundamentally clear that no club can be sustainable on match day revenue alone and as has been said for probably 20 years until the CG is turning a return 365 days a year our level is probably at best where we are now if not a little lower, with inflated player wages etc we just won't have the income, its as simple as that.

I don't really understand the negativity regarding the developer ability of those incoming as we don't as yet know the power behind the throne (hopefully there is someone!), lets be honest after 4? years the present lot haven't made sparking progess, as I have mentioned earlier the tenure situation is tricky but neither rare nor unsurmountable. My one concern in all this is that unless there is some continuity at boardroom/management level the Council (quite rightly in some ways) will be very cautious to be dealing with artound the 5th? group of owners in 15 years, so that may be a delaying factor.

From the Twitter exchanges last night Mr McCrory seems a nice enough fella, but who knows if he has the ability to take us forward, a love of the game is a good start but there is always the fear of the Knighton situation in the back of my mind.

One interesting thing I wasn't aware of if the need for new owners to present a financed and deliverable 3 year business plan as part of the fit and persons test, this seems to be the stumbling block in our case as the Adver seems to suggest that all Directors have passed the review, is this normal as I cannot see how some of the shysters who have ownered other clubs have managed to pull this off?

Finally once this is done I will look forward to hearing some of the background/fall out from the previous owners. I do wonder whether the Ritchie sale was part of some last minute brinksmanship between the existing board, possibly to do with a final illustration to Fitton/Wray that if they didn't agree to reduce their liability the club would fold, i.e. Black saying well if you don't play ball I am not funding so we will have to sell best player which would also explain the mysterious fire sale email? Fitton and Wray have been very quiet (I suppose depends if media have spoken to them for quotes), but whilst I accept the NDA is in place they were happy to say stuff in media prior to all this?

Interesting times away, could be dreadful, could be wonderful, could be stable, to be honest as long as we avoid the former I would be happy!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jimmy_onions on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 11:34:15

I think until we see photo's on pitch with scarves over heads we are piddling in the wind with regards to the new owners means, abilities and intentions.


We have managed 119 pages of piddling in the wind so far. And what do we know for certain? Absolutely Jack.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 11:35:20
So Andrew Black retains a 25% shareholding?  That's still very significant.

I thought this was fairly common knowledge although I think the percentage depends on whether its 25% of post takeover, 25% of what he had or whatever. You can't blame him for wanting a bite of the cherry (if there ever is one) considering he is already in for £8m.

It comforts me that he wants to retain some shares as suggests he has got some confidence in them (and lets be honest he knows a damn site more about their backing and ability that we do!) I do suspect there is already links between him and possibly the money man, as you don't essentially give someone £8m unless you know a bit about them.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 11:37:19
We have managed 119 pages of piddling in the wind so far. And what do we know for certain? Absolutely Jack.

Its Jed, not Jack.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 11:37:26
"We did have an approach from the consortium who are now at Swindon, but we weren't convinced and you have to be very careful," Baker said.

"You have to be very thorough with your due diligence and the fact they want to become the controlling stake holders was a problem."

Sounds like the Cheltenham chairman wanted to keep the controlling stake, whereas Black doesn't. Little in this article really.

Other than the new owners want to buy a lower league FC...I'd imagine Cheltnum are reasonably self sustaining, and could maybe establish themselves as a Div 3 side...but that's about it. So it rather begs the question why them?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ahounsell on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 11:37:53
To be fair with our average attendances compared to other clubs in this division, we should be creating enough revenue to stay competitive on the pitch and be sustainable.

The key in this scenario being the manager and board getting the most out of what they can afford, while also getting key decisions right. I think under Wilson/Fitton we saw the good and bad of a manager and board running a sustainable club.

In theory this should be the case as long as the wage cap is implemented effectively which it doesnt appear to be as yet.

Under Fitton / Wilson the club was still making big losses which were only sustainable as long as the owners were prepared to put cash in to cover the shortfall.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 11:46:22
In theory this should be the case as long as the wage cap is implemented effectively which it doesnt appear to be as yet.

Under Fitton / Wilson the club was still making big losses which were only sustainable as long as the owners were prepared to put cash in to cover the shortfall.

I am sure I have read somewhere what a small percentage of total revenue match day receipts make up for in clubs that are self sustaining, what with staffing, policing in addition to player wages it really is a drop in the ocean.

Say we get 8000 as an average of around £20 a ticket, with two games a month thats £320k, what do our players earn something like I don't know £3k a week (obviously some would be higer and some lower), but with a squad of around 20 thats already £240k on just the playing staff, leaving to £80k to staff both management, admin and matchday, pay the police, maintain the pitch and ground etc etc etc.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 12:27:57
Isn't 25% an important number of shares to hold.  If my memory serves me correct, this is a level at which some sort of blocking can occur to certain decisions regarding a company.  If that is the case, it is an important snippet of info, because it suggests Black, while wanting out from financing the club, still has an interest in the long term so believes something may still be in the offing to recoup some of the gifted capital.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 12:29:45
If we are going self sustaining which I doubt very much, then let the trust run the club, not people with no ties to the club. Fans won't like self sustainability though as our cloth will be cut alot more than flogging Richie.
I'd take it and think it will happen eventually but others wont.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 12:40:21
25% holding is the amount required to block  a special resolution.  

http://www.crippslink.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1563&Itemid=514

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Such resolutions are required, for example, to amend a company's articles of association.

What these powers do is give minority shareholders some real leverage.  Sometimes they are sufficient in themselves to enable the resolution of a dispute with a majority shareholder who may, for example, not relish the auditing of the company's accounts or being held to account at a general meeting.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BrightonRed on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 12:41:41
Isn't 25% an important number of shares to hold.  If my memory serves me correct, this is a level at which some sort of blocking can occur to certain decisions regarding a company.  If that is the case, it is an important snippet of info, because it suggests Black, while wanting out from financing the club, still has an interest in the long term so believes something may still be in the offing to recoup some of the gifted capital.

The passing of a special resolution requires not less than 75% of shareholders to be in agreement.

Obviously this would mean that a shareholding of anything over 25% was significant.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RobertT on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 12:45:08
And it does become siginificant because one of the things it means Black can block is a change to the Articles of Association, which covers:

"The Articles can cover a medley of topics, not all of which is required in a country's law. Although all terms are not discussed, they may cover:

the issuing of shares (also called stock), different voting rights attached to different classes of shares
valuation of intellectual rights, say, the valuations of the IPR of one partner and, in a similar way as how we value real estate of another partner
the appointments of directors - which shows whether a shareholder dominates or shares equality with all contributors
directors meetings - the quorum and percentage of vote
management decisions - whether the board manages or a founder
transferability of shares - assignment rights of the founders or other members of the company do
special voting rights of a Chairman,and his/her mode of election
the dividend policy - a percentage of profits to be declared when there is profit or otherwise
winding up - the conditions, notice to members
confidentiality of know-how and the founders' agreement and penalties for disclosure
first right of refusal - purchase rights and counter-bid by a founder."

As pinched from a quick search.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 12:54:04
I thought Black owned 98% of the club, surely that would leave him with only 23% if the consortium are buying 75% ?!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BrightonRed on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 13:00:49
At the risk of being pedantic it would need to be at least 25.01% (or any amount over 25%) for him to actually be able to block a proposed special resolution.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 13:04:24
Agree with all the comments above (Batch, Flash, Stegenfreud), but the highlighted bit caught my eye.  And I'm actually very comfortable with this.  Of course, we have to go full tilt at promotion this season.  Right up there with just a third of the season to go; it would be madness not to.

BUT, let's suppose we don't make it - for what ever reason.  Given that as a starting point for 2013/14, I think I'd be fairly happy to see us maintain our position in League 1 for a few seasons [important rider coming up]...so long as the new owners were focussing their energies on implementing a stadium development plan; and one that is sufficiently ambitious (20,000 capacity minimum) that could lead to self-sufficiency in the Championship.

Reading and Swansea both had their new stadia before they started climbing the leagues (and were both attracting decent 5 figures crowds in the lower leagues immediately following their moves).  Get the stadium issue sorted - and sorted properly, and professionally (no half-arsed botched jobs like up the road) - and then in two or three seasons we will be leaving the lower leagues anyway.  It will just take a little time.
In the normal run of things I'd agree 100% Ardiles. There is one potential caveat that gives me pause - the conversion of the Championship to Premiership 2. While it might have been rejected last time it was put forward, it's not gone away, just been put on the back burner and there does seem to be a view within football that a split into a two-division Premiership, with the rump Football League joining with a now largely professional Conference to form a 3-division second tier professional league is coming. Although how long that 3-division rump FL will be able to remain professional is another matter.

And if/when that does happen, the two-division Premiership will pull up the ladder behind them - promotion will be restricted to one or two teams and the financial divide will be greater than ever. Getting out of the rump FL into the money league will then be very hard work, both in sporting and financial terms. So there is an argument for getting into the Championship now while we can before they cast anchor and sail away. I think this was the essential divide between the Fitton "sustainable club" model and the Wray "shit or bust" model. Not so much that Wray was reckless, more that he saw the Prem 2 thing as coming sooner rather than later and that if we missed the boat we might never be able to attract the finance required to redevelop or indeed achieve any of our other ambitions, on or off the pitch.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 13:21:55
Hmmm.  Food for thought there!  Hopefully we'll soon get a professional redevelopment underway and promotion...rendering all of this academic!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 13:23:13
A gent called Brian Melzack was involved with Port Vale and Ameriturf (Gary Hooper), he is a property developer and 12 years ago tried to buy QPR with a consortium...the 5th member?

Brian Melzack was also involved with Perry Deakin at Port Vale, who as we know has been involved with Jed McCory in the past at Banbury!




Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 13:32:37
In the normal run of things I'd agree 100% Ardiles. There is one potential caveat that gives me pause - the conversion of the Championship to Premiership 2. While it might have been rejected last time it was put forward, it's not gone away, just been put on the back burner and there does seem to be a view within football that a split into a two-division Premiership, with the rump Football League joining with a now largely professional Conference to form a 3-division second tier professional league is coming. Although how long that 3-division rump FL will be able to remain professional is another matter.

And if/when that does happen, the two-division Premiership will pull up the ladder behind them - promotion will be restricted to one or two teams and the financial divide will be greater than ever. Getting out of the rump FL into the money league will then be very hard work, both in sporting and financial terms. So there is an argument for getting into the Championship now while we can before they cast anchor and sail away. I think this was the essential divide between the Fitton "sustainable club" model and the Wray "shit or bust" model. Not so much that Wray was reckless, more that he saw the Prem 2 thing as coming sooner rather than later and that if we missed the boat we might never be able to attract the finance required to redevelop or indeed achieve any of our other ambitions, on or off the pitch.

When you look at the Championship, even if we were to go up this season, we'd have little chance of doing anything, based on the current model of the club (I'm factoring in new owners here, who don't seem to be minted).....maybe a different model of community based semi professional football club is all the town can sustain.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 13:42:11
The problem is that the majority of clubs are living vastly beyond their means. If everyone was sensible and spent within their means (including people wanting to piss their money away on clubs, provided it's a gift and not a loan/debt) things would quickly re-balance. The main casualty would be the players who would get a 50% pay cut, they could cope (as they did before the massive spike in wages) and it's not like they're going to fuck off abroad as they would earn even less.

Don't think we've done enough to maximise our revenue from the current ground. Match day catering is terrible, if done properly it could easily raise a few grand extra a game meaning £100k extra a season - which is a start. Must be some way to add on some extra facilities to the DRS at a low cost - maybe chop down the trees to enable it if they're not protected. The Town End could be rebuilt cheaply to incorporate extra revenue streams.

But the main thing is we'd need to cut our player wage bill in half.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 14:41:34
The problem is that the majority of clubs are living vastly beyond their means. If everyone was sensible and spent within their means (including people wanting to piss their money away on clubs, provided it's a gift and not a loan/debt) things would quickly re-balance. The main casualty would be the players who would get a 50% pay cut, they could cope (as they did before the massive spike in wages) and it's not like they're going to fuck off abroad as they would earn even less.

Don't think we've done enough to maximise our revenue from the current ground. Match day catering is terrible, if done properly it could easily raise a few grand extra a game meaning £100k extra a season - which is a start. Must be some way to add on some extra facilities to the DRS at a low cost - maybe chop down the trees to enable it if they're not protected. The Town End could be rebuilt cheaply to incorporate extra revenue streams.

But the main thing is we'd need to cut our player wage bill in half.

The problem is the wage bill needs to be halved or cut further, but we'd still like to be competing in Div 3. If the wage bill was cut, this might not be possible, without gates taking a proportional hit...meaning a need to cut again etc etc.  A conundrum, no mistake. We've tried all sorts of solutions, without ever really getting much progress...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 14:46:43
Think we'd be left with the likes of Miles Storey and Nathan thompson if we went self sustainable. Low wages players and would have to bring youth through(if the club could afford a youth set up of course)  Season tickets would have to go up significantly too.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 14:48:19
So how strong is the case for saying football below say the championship should be part time?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 15:06:04
When you look at the Championship, even if we were to go up this season, we'd have little chance of doing anything, based on the current model of the club (I'm factoring in new owners here, who don't seem to be minted).
You've kind of missed the point a bit Reg, although I agree we wouldn't be likely to tear up any trees. The point was more that there is some rationale to Wray's (apparent) "shit or bust" approach if you accept the thesis that Prem 2 is coming so it becomes all important to get on board and stay on board before the drawbridge is pulled up, because once it's pulled up, it will be umpty times harder to break into the gilded circle and things like stadium developments etc (at least on a scale needed to sustain a self-financing Championship/Prem 2 side) become commensurately harder (to the point of impossible).


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 15:08:56
The problem is the wage bill needs to be halved or cut further, but we'd still like to be competing in Div 3. If the wage bill was cut, this might not be possible, without gates taking a proportional hit...meaning a need to cut again etc etc.  A conundrum, no mistake. We've tried all sorts of solutions, without ever really getting much progress...
Sorry Reg I know it must look like I just logged in to argue with you but I really haven't honest! But, again, think you've missed jonny's key point
If everyone was sensible and spent within their means things would quickly re-balance
You're right about what would happen if we did it just by ourselves, jonny was suggesting (perhaps unrealistically) that ALL clubs need to do it - probably enforced by regulation.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Family at War on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 15:15:25
 AB can't own 25% as the consortium have 75 and there must be loads of people like me who have had shares handed down to them and added to them over the years. I have 150 so with other people we must account for 2% at least.He is retaining 15% from what I have heard.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: thepeoplesgame on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 15:27:27
You've kind of missed the point a bit Reg, although I agree we wouldn't be likely to tear up any trees. The point was more that there is some rationale to Wray's (apparent) "shit or bust" approach if you accept the thesis that Prem 2 is coming so it becomes all important to get on board and stay on board before the drawbridge is pulled up, because once it's pulled up, it will be umpty times harder to break into the gilded circle and things like stadium developments etc (at least on a scale needed to sustain a self-financing Championship/Prem 2 side) become commensurately harder (to the point of impossible).

I think Reg's point was that while Wray's current model might get us on board, staying on board would require an even greater investment.

There is a case to be made for getting promotion and sustaining that level at a loss while the redevelopment and whatever else is put in place to increase revenue and build the supporter base, but it will require deep pockets. To be honest, I thought that was possible while we had Mr Black underwriting us. I share Reg's uncertainty about whether the new owners have the funds available to make that a viable approach for them. Let's hope they do.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: mrverve on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 15:33:47
If we went down the low wage, young player, selling young talent every year route in this league then fans would slowly lose interest again.

Like I said in the previous post, sustainabilty long term is the way forward for clubs like ours, to build the club slowly in terms of ground redovelopment, fan base but the starting point must be the Championship, I honestly think it's vital.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 15:37:36
If we went down the low wage, young player, selling young talent every year route in this league then fans would slowly lose interest again.

Like I said in the previous post, sustainabilty long term is the way forward for clubs like ours, to build the club slowly in terms of ground redovelopment, fan base but the starting point must be the Championship, I honestly think it's vital.
How could a club like ours self sustain in the championship? It's just not possible imo


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kaufman on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 15:44:33
BBC Wiltshire had an financial expert on a week or so back and asked him what would championship football bring in extra. The answer was 4 million a year but with wage bills and such other costs rising most clubs end up 1 million better off in general compared to league 1.





Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ahounsell on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 15:50:00
The Championship as it is now is arguably stronger in terms of the wages paid and income received then the Premiership was in 93/94. STFC wont be able to compete at that level without a redeveloped ground, that has been obvious for several years.

It may be nice to hope that the new owners will continue to bankroll the club to the same extent as the previous ones but the sale of Richie is pretty conclusive evidence that this is not going to be the case.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: mrverve on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 15:52:02
How could a club like ours self sustain in the championship? It's just not possible imo

I don't think we can be 100% self sustainable, I meant to say more self sustainable ie. living more within our means.

That can only happen with more revenue and one of the main sources of incresed revenue would be a redevolpment/ new stadium and that can only happen if there are fans going through the turnstiles and are showing interest in the football club.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 15:52:10
One of my mates told me that George Boyd at Posh is their top earner at 15k per week. They average smaller crowds than us!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 15:54:13
How could a club like ours self sustain in the championship? It's just not possible imo

Very difficult to judge something like this.  You're comparing a collection of clubs in that league with another club (us) that last played in it, badly, in 2000.  There are some clubs up there that are definitely going to have more financial firepower than we will what ever we do.  But once we're up there, and have taken advantage of all the benefits arising from being there, and from redeveloping etc., you might just find that we're more a match for some of those clubs than a lot of people think.

Aside from a few highlights, STFC has been through a good 15 years now of unremitting shitness with little to cheer about.  There are plenty of 'smaller' clubs out there that have outperformed us in that time.  Our turn will come.  If Blackpool (for example) can make a go of Championship football, then so can we.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 16:15:20
One of my mates told me that George Boyd at Posh is their top earner at 15k per week. They average smaller crowds than us!
But have a (currently) considerably richer backer than us who is funding the vast majority of the playing staff rather than with club income.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 16:17:24
But have a (currently) considerably richer backer than us who is funding the vast majority of the playing staff rather than with club income.

MacAnthony is wealthier than Black?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 16:21:49
MacAnthony is wealthier than Black?
He is worth about the same as Black according to the Times rich list....I mean more so than we currently have....which is nobody as we are currently in limbo of ownership :D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: iffy on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 16:26:54
In the normal run of things I'd agree 100% Ardiles. There is one potential caveat that gives me pause - the conversion of the Championship to Premiership 2.

Knowing our luck we'd get promoted to Prem 2 the year it started and then demoted immediately and our place given to Sunderland and then Tottenham would win the FA Cup the same year they were fucking banned from it.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 16:33:25
Sorry Reg I know it must look like I just logged in to argue with you but I really haven't honest! But, again, think you've missed jonny's key point You're right about what would happen if we did it just by ourselves, jonny was suggesting (perhaps unrealistically) that ALL clubs need to do it - probably enforced by regulation.

My main point is the stupidity of it. The vast majority of clubs overspend on players wages. If they all paid them what they can afford, they'd end up with the same players but at half the cost. The more clubs that start operating within their means the quicker that player salaries will fall back to an affordable level.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 16:40:44
How could a club like ours self sustain in the championship? It's just not possible imo
you could have said the same about Swansea, Wigan et al


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 16:50:25
you could have said the same about Swansea, Wigan et al

Wigan? Last time I checked they were £80m in debt, not exactly self sustaining.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 16:53:40
Wigan? Last time I checked they were £80m in debt, not exactly self sustaining.
i missed the word 'self' when reading it. oops

although on that note, are there are any clubs in the top two divisions who are self sustaining?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Red Frog on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 16:58:28
Wigan? Last time I checked they were £80m in debt, not exactly self sustaining.
I think I read a similar figure for Swansea the other week. Wigan did at least turn a profit for the first time in years last season. So who in the top two leagues is "self-sustaining" - ie. regularly turns a profit without large injections of shareholder cash? Anyone?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 16:59:35
The big clubs without the wealthy backer do ok, so Arsenal, Man Utd and Tottenham. Sure there are plenty of others.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 17:00:27
I couldn't find anything recent or below Premiership level

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/premier-league/9255617/Revealed-the-financial-health-of-the-Premier-League-laid-bare.html

Its a little out of date but Bolton's finances must be worrying them after their relegation. They ain't doing very well this year either.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Trashbat? on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 17:07:57
I have to be honest other than being passionate about the team, I can never see many reasons to buy a football club unless you are ready to write off a lot of money.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 17:14:15
There are those who think the parachute payments to relegated PL clubs is virtually a free ticket back up again, need to take a look at Wolves, Bolton and to some extent Blackburn.

Wolves will become this season's Norwich/Southampton/Leeds and drop to League 1.

Can't really see Burnley getting back up in the near future and give a couple of seasons and Blackpool will be back amongst the dead men.

Hull seem to be making a decent fist of things this season (new stadium).

Still can't believe we spent our paltry parachute payment on Joey Beauchump


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 17:16:53
There are those who think the parachute payments to relegated PL clubs is virtually a free ticket back up again, need to take a look at Wolves, Bolton and to some extent Blackburn.

Wolves will become this season's Norwich/Southampton/Leeds and drop to League 1.

Can't really see Burnley getting back up in the near future and give a couple of seasons and Blackpool will be back amongst the dead men.

Hull seem to be making a decent fist of things this season (new stadium).

Still can't believe we spent our paltry parachute payment on Joey Beauchump

Wolves actually had a credit of 25 million in 2010/2011 so possibly aren't as financially buggered as Bolton and Blackburn.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 17:22:26
The big clubs without the wealthy backer do ok, so Arsenal, Man Utd and Tottenham. Sure there are plenty of others.

arsenal are doing Ok now they have finally paid for the ground, but speak to any arsenal fan and they hate the financial model they operate to, and actually taking note of their position in the league is their financial model sustaining their league position.

Man Utd are doing OK but remember their ground is probably 20% larger than any other of their competitors which makes things easier, plus they operate in a much bigger global market than probably 90% of clubs, do we get fans travelling huge distances from abroad to visit the club (apart from Norway obviously). They are also debted up to the eyeballs, our debts would only be petty cash to them.

Spurs are a funny one, aren't they owned by some off shore company and thus I don't know their funding model, they have done well in selling players for huge profits over the last 5 years which may help, but thats a very risky model to follow.





Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 17:24:58
There are those who think the parachute payments to relegated PL clubs is virtually a free ticket back up again, need to take a look at Wolves, Bolton and to some extent Blackburn.

Wolves will become this season's Norwich/Southampton/Leeds and drop to League 1.

Can't really see Burnley getting back up in the near future and give a couple of seasons and Blackpool will be back amongst the dead men.

Hull seem to be making a decent fist of things this season (new stadium).

Still can't believe we spent our paltry parachute payment on Joey Beauchump

Hull have been at the KC since 2002 so way before their premiership years. Not sure what if anything they make from revenue as the ground is owned by, and was majority paid for, by the Council following the sale of Kingston Communications.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 17:32:39
Can't remember where I heard it (Radio 5 possibly) but there was some research which shows the most successful clubs over time are the richest clubs, with just the occasional blip (ie someone pissing away their fortune). The richest clubs are those with the biggest fan base - Arsenals income is £100m more a season than Man City (whose sugar daddy won't last for ever). Seems obvious but the point is you can't buy long term success with a short term investment.

So if you want to back a club it would make a lot more sense investing all the money in increasing the fan base and related revenue making streams. That kind of investment lasts for ever rather than just covering salaries for a few seasons. It takes longer but it's the only way you'll ever be sustainable at the top level and be able to compete with the top clubs.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 17:36:11
You could argue that Man City will be getting more fans by winning trophies. Is that not how Man United did it?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 17:46:15
Man City were only about €5m behind Arsenal in the last Deloitte Money League. Jumped 5 places to 7th in one year alone.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 17:56:12
Man City were only about €5m behind Arsenal in the last Deloitte Money League. Jumped 5 places to 7th in one year alone.

Didn't there owners put in loads in the form of dodgy sponsorship deals?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 17:57:38
You could argue that Man City will be getting more fans by winning trophies. Is that not how Man United did it?

I would wholly agree, I may have a selective memory but when i grew up in the 1980's I don't remember any Man Utd supporters at my school, they all seemed to support Liverpool. However now many on Facebook seem to be Man Ure supporters and I suggest that if they keep it up the same may happen with City.

Speaking to a lad I work with in Manchester he was saying his lad and all his school friends seem to be City fans so we shall see.

I think prolonged investment and high level success brings a glory hunting fan base, don't think we are ever going to reach that with the occassional Johnsons Paint final sadly


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 18:28:48
Didn't there owners put in loads in the form of dodgy sponsorship deals?

EDIT: I see what you're getting at. The £400m of sponsorship from Etihad?

http://www.deloitte.com/view/en_GB/uk/industries/sportsbusinessgroup/sports/football/deloitte-football-money-league/c0d0cc64dac5c310VgnVCM3000003456f70aRCRD.htm


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 18:50:44
You could argue that Man City will be getting more fans by winning trophies. Is that not how Man United did it?

Think the fans attracted by trophies are only temporary, it's the core fan base that is important and moving the glory hunters in to that core so they won't jump ship when it all turns to shit. Otherwise, how do you explain the high attendances of the bigger clubs that have dropped down the leagues?

Don't think we do anywhere near enough to build our fan base, especially getting kids on board. Problem I guess is it's a slow and long term process and everyone wants immediate results.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 19:08:25
Don't think we do anywhere near enough to build our fan base, especially getting kids on board. Problem I guess is it's a slow and long term process and everyone wants immediate results.

Not having a go, but what exactly do you suggest over and above what we already do.

We have reasonable links in local schools and communities through Football In The Community. They run courses from 2-3 age upwards.

We have superb ticket prices for the under 10s, where for £25 to join the junior Robins they can have a free season ticket.

I'm not sure about the 10-16 age group mind.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 19:15:37
Haven't got a clue. If I did I'd probably be working in marketing.

Main problem I see is that my nephew and his mates all wear Chelsea and Liverpool shirts and want to be Torres and Suarez. That needs changing to Swindon shirts and wanting to be Paolo, or Ferry, or Wes or whoever.

One idea - get Topps to do a Swindon Town Match Attax team set. Kids love that shit.

And another - sell club merchandise in other shops (especially supermarkets, clothes shops etc).


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Saxondale on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 19:16:50
They need to reach out to the whole of Wiltshire, not just Swindon.  They should be coming into Chippenham, Devizes etc etc.  Maybe then I wouldnt only spot one STFC top amongst the after school football clubs.  Even that lad actually supports Man U!

Apologies if they do already do this.  Just Ive never seen a presence in 'Nam and could easily have been turned to a shithead or a gashead had I not been born in Swindon and had mates who were going to the CG.  


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: corner on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 20:01:18
And marlon pack scores, pen.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: newmarket red on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 20:20:10
Worrys me were the financial backing is coming from as none of these chaps mentioned seem loaded?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 20:32:12
Worrys me were the financial backing is coming from as none of these chaps mentioned seem loaded?

I look it at the opposite way. Id rather not rely on a rich mans backing.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pumbaa on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 20:41:11
They need to reach out to the whole of Wiltshire, not just Swindon.  They should be coming into Chippenham, Devizes etc etc.  Maybe then I wouldnt only spot one STFC top amongst the after school football clubs.  Even that lad actually supports Man U!

Apologies if they do already do this.  Just Ive never seen a presence in 'Nam and could easily have been turned to a shithead or a gashead had I not been born in Swindon and had mates who were going to the CG.   

I agree entirely. I'm from 'nam and can never, ever recall an STFC presence in the area. All the kids I went to school with all those years ago were Man Utd or Liverpool fans. A lost generation, and I suspect its continued for the last 30 odd years.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: leftside on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 20:42:08
Trouble is, it is not just kids who follow the big teams and wear their kits. Look at the number of adults wearing Prem Lge tops on the leisure centre football pitches around town. The last taxi driver I got a ride with was a Chelsea season ticket holder! I know people who are pure Sky football watchers, support Manchester United, and have absolutely no inclination to support their local professional team. It makes it hard for their kids to become Swindon fans.

If Premier League II goes ahead in the manner PaulD put forward earlier, then teams like Swindon will be doomed. It shouldn't be allowed to happen, just like the PL should never have been allowed to happen. The sooner a five division national league is created, under the administration of one body, the better professional football in England will be. Those in the game that push for a PLII and want to create even greater divides in football in this country, are, in my opinion, not fit and proper.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Honkytonk on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 20:50:11
From personal experience as someone who grew up nearer yeovil than Swindon, it was the fact my dad, who grew up in the devizes area, was a supporter that meant I became one. Like people have said, whatever the kids do re football support will be reflected in what their parents do. There are way too many sky sports supporters now, as they pay less than a season ticket for all the matches from all the upper flight teams. Easier to sit on your arse and watch a team you've never been to see in the flesh than attempt to support a local one, with all their ups and downs.

Kind of crossing over into the 'what's wrong with football thread', but Sky has ruined footy in this country. Leftside's comment about there needing to be 5 leagues all run by the same body is entirely right. If nothing else it'd provide consistency...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Notts red on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 22:16:10
FITC were doing coaching lessons at the Frogwell school Chippenham, not sure if they still are. They also had junior football clubs going to train with FITC before home games from all over Wiltshire which included a tour around the CG. The training was done at the school ? Behind the Ambulance station near the ground. some clubs used to bring 200+ kids. A mate of mine and his 3 boys attended one of the training days and enjoyed the whole day that much Have been coming back ever since and have been ST holders for a few years now, just need a few more like them.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 22:23:09
Fingers crossed for tomorrow the takeover goes through and some signings follow! Might even get the photo on the pitch with scarves then find out who the consortium is!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 22:43:27
Kids can't go unless their parents take them. Even then, they're battling against the stigma of supporting a league 1 team compared to a successful premier league team.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Gibbons on Tuesday, February 12, 2013, 22:59:46
What I would like to know is: when is the sale of the club going to go through?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: LittleRed on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 03:21:13
What I would like to know is: when is the sale of the club going to go through?

Hopefully today they will be meeting with the football league and it will be ratified. If not then apparently its friday. Jed McCrory was quite open about this on twitter and has said as soon as it is done then he will let people know


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 07:10:27
What I would like to know is: when is the sale of the club going to go through?
What sale is this? ???


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Nomoreheroes on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 07:49:43
What sale is this? ???
There is no sale (Statement Friday is coming up)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ChalkyWhiteIsGod on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 09:25:14
I don't know if it is being done already but STFC really need to do some sort of deal with the primary schools in which they give the schools a bulk of tickets for games for a certain price (like £1 a ticket?) and then let the schools sell them for a couple of quid more. Ideally that left block of the Arkell's and the bottom kids enclosure should be filled with kids from schools all over Wiltshire and even slightly dipping in to the other areas.

On occasions where we're expecting low crowds, they might even want to give them away for free. Realistically speaking 95% of these kids would have never usually have been reached so we're not losing out financially. I myself am a product of the kids for a quid/ kids free tickets promotions that have were about when I was little'un.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jimmy_onions on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 09:26:46
I don't know if it is being done already but STFC really need to do some sort of deal with the primary schools in which they give the schools a bulk of tickets for games for a certain price (like £1 a ticket?) and then let the schools sell them for a couple of quid more. Ideally that left block of the Arkell's and the bottom kids enclosure should be filled with kids from schools all over Wiltshire and even slightly dipping in to the other areas.

On occasions where we're expecting low crowds, they might even want to give them away for free. Realistically speaking 95% of these kids would have never usually have been reached so we're not losing out financially. I myself am a product of the kids for a quid/ kids free tickets promotions that have were about when I was little'un.

You should just forward that to the club...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 09:37:32
On occasions where we're expecting low crowds, they might even want to give them away for free. Realistically speaking 95% of these kids would have never usually have been reached so we're not losing out financially. I myself am a product of the kids for a quid/ kids free tickets promotions that have were about when I was little'un.

Don't understand why they don't give away all the tickets for the Stratton Bank, to schools, other good causes or even local businesses, pubs or whatever. Better than it being empty, might get some converts and they'd cover the costs of opening it from merchandise, programme, food and drink sales.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: wigglesworth on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 09:41:18
i missed the word 'self' when reading it. oops

although on that note, are there are any clubs in the top two divisions who are self sustaining?

Arsenal are, and look at the amount of shit they get from all angles as a result.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: wigglesworth on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 09:43:32
The big clubs without the wealthy backer do ok, so Arsenal, Man Utd and Tottenham. Sure there are plenty of others.

Tottenham run at a HUGE loss. Their 'player dealings' are excluded from the P&L. thats the only way they're run 'as a going concern'

Man Utd probably are, but also have debts of over half a billion pounds so only takes one season out of the champions league gravy train for things to look a bit scary there too.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: wigglesworth on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 09:48:28
Man City were only about €5m behind Arsenal in the last Deloitte Money League. Jumped 5 places to 7th in one year alone.

The Deloitte Money league might as well be called the Deloitte debt league as only focuses on Turnover.

As Duncan Bannatyne said "Turnover is vanity, profit is sanity". I could run a  £100bn Turnover business selling pound coins for 99p.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: wigglesworth on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 09:50:40
Haven't got a clue. If I did I'd probably be working in marketing.

Main problem I see is that my nephew and his mates all wear Chelsea and Liverpool shirts and want to be Torres and Suarez. That needs changing to Swindon shirts and wanting to be Paolo, or Ferry, or Wes or whoever.

One idea - get Topps to do a Swindon Town Match Attax team set. Kids love that shit.

And another - sell club merchandise in other shops (especially supermarkets, clothes shops etc).

Another idea, don't pay for Sky sports   :D


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jonny72 on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 10:28:05
Tottenham run at a HUGE loss. Their 'player dealings' are excluded from the P&L. thats the only way they're run 'as a going concern'

Man Utd probably are, but also have debts of over half a billion pounds so only takes one season out of the champions league gravy train for things to look a bit scary there too.

What's your source on Tottenham? Their last set of accounts showed a small loss after player dealings, interest and tax of under £5m and made a small profit the previous year.

Man Utd is different as the debt was incurred by the owners to finance the purchase. Whilst it looked a bit dodgy there for a while the last I read was it was all under control and they were reducing the debt.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 10:41:58
The Man U debt is down to about £340 million now. If they keep on at this rate it will be paid off in 6 years.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 11:08:10
I could run a  £100bn Turnover business selling pound coins for 99p.
That's fantastic, I'm going to pinch that and look sage :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 11:12:00
That's fantastic, I'm going to pinch that and look sage :)

I think you'll need to factor in discount for bulk as well.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 11:16:37
I think you'll need to factor in discount for bulk as well.
Are you saying I'm fat? :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 11:17:46
Yeah, porky.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Samdy Gray on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 11:28:01
That's fantastic, I'm going to pinch that and look sage :)

You certainly know your onions (and stuff).


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jimmy_onions on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 11:44:58
uh? somebody call?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 11:46:22
JedMcCoy ‏@JedMcCoy
@JedMcCoy I am on my way ..;)..


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 11:57:39
On his way up the M6 to meet the football league in Preston by the look of it, hope its all sorted soon.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 11:59:11
Maybe he is just popping to Morrisons to get some stilton


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: BruceChatwin on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 11:59:21
JedMcCoy ‏@JedMcCoy
@JedMcCoy I am on my way ..;)..

Worrying he seems to be having a conversation with himself.

The real SupermarioTV?

 :eek:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 12:00:38
JedMcCoy ‏@JedMcCoy
@JedMcCoy I am on my way ..;)..

SuperJed?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 12:02:49
Maybe he is just popping to Morrisons to get some stilton
He's already answered the cheese question and it was Irish Cheddar. Do keep up :)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 12:09:32
Irish Cheddar? One of the most oxymoronic thing I have ever heard of... It's kind of similar to having Irish Yorkshire puddings or Irish Cornish pasties.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 12:16:36
Irish Cheddar? One of the most oxymoronic thing I have ever heard of... It's kind of similar to having Irish Yorkshire puddings or Irish Cornish pasties.
Oddly cheddar doesn't have a PDO status as it was deemed too generic. So Irish Cheddar is allowed.

But Parma ham has a PDO.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 12:17:15
Works both ways though, as anyone who has tried Somerset Brie will know.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 12:18:41
Works both ways though, as anyone who has tried Somerset Brie will know.

Just the once...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: norwegian on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 12:32:26
Jed is active on the Banbury forum as well as Twitter. Sounds like an avid football fan which is down to earth and with good communication skills with the fans.

http://banburyunitedfc.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1296

Maybe he'll even register at TEF!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: norwegian on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 12:36:12
He also states that Martin King will not be on the board...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: sonicyouth on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 12:36:20
he seems like a genuine and nice guy. i get the impression that he will make a decent chairman but really don't think he is the driving force behind the takeover, just a front man


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: wokinghamred on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 12:39:52
He also states that Martin King will not be on the board...

I read that, that he is confirming he will not be on the Swindon board.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 12:50:04
I have a feeling in my waters that says Jed will stay on as Chairman of Banbury till the end of the season while he fronts the Swindon consortium and in the short term employs somebody else to be Chairman in the meantime for the transition period.

Somebody the fans know and like, somebody very much like JW who the fans trust and that can ease the passage of the new owners into the club.

Probably unlikely but this is what I would do in this situation.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 12:51:36
Jed is active on the Banbury forum as well as Twitter. Sounds like an avid football fan which is down to earth and with good communication skills with the fans.

http://banburyunitedfc.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1296

Maybe he'll even register at TEF!

Who'll be the first one to call him a cunt?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 13:03:36
I have a feeling in my waters that says Jed will stay on as Chairman of Banbury till the end of the season while he fronts the Swindon consortium and in the short term employs somebody else to be Chairman in the meantime for the transition period.

Somebody the fans know and like, somebody very much like JW who the fans trust and that can ease the passage of the new owners into the club.

Probably unlikely but this is what I would do in this situation.

I dont think he is the main man to decide who becomes chair, it now seems like maybe there are 2 more consortium members to be revealed if Martin is not one of them ?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 13:08:19
I dont think he is the main man to decide who becomes chair, it now seems like maybe there are 2 more consortium members to be revealed if Martin is not one of them ?

He just said he won't be on the board, not that he isn't part of the consortium.

I think he released the information so that the Banbury fans didn't think they were being abandoned.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 13:20:31
He just said he won't be on the board, not that he isn't part of the consortium.

I think he released the information so that the Banbury fans didn't think they were being abandoned.

But if he is not part of the board and he does not appear to have a greal deal of funds what us his involvment in the consortium if at all you have to wonder ?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 13:25:13
But if he is not part of the board and he does not appear to have a greal deal of funds what us his involvment in the consortium if at all you have to wonder ?

I see your point...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 13:28:11
But if he is not part of the board and he does not appear to have a greal deal of funds what us his involvment in the consortium if at all you have to wonder ?

Not sure if it has been covered already, but I read somewhere Jed was someone who brought the consortium together and 'fronted it', whether that means he's just the spokesperson or actually involved I guess we won't know until the FL ratify it....get a move on FL!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Trashbat? on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 13:30:40
One thing that King does have is experience at a football league club as a member of a board which could be just as valuable, perhaps he is there as a consultant to just hold their hand a bit in the early days.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: corner on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 13:41:56
@AndyWarren_: The prospective new owners of Swindon Town are due to begin their meeting with the Football League round about now.



Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: red socks on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 13:47:31
@AndyWarren_: The prospective new owners of Swindon Town are due to begin their meeting with the Football League round about now.



The funk soul brothers?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 13:57:46
@AndyWarren_: The prospective new owners of Swindon Town are due to begin their meeting with the Football League round about now.



About time too. Are they making them go all the way to Preston just to prove they're serious?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 14:17:27
So the meeting started at 1.30?  I Hope it doesn't have to be put into 2 parts, otherwise it will drag into Friday more than likely.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 14:29:30
So the meeting started at 1.30?  I Hope it doesn't have to be put into 2 parts, otherwise it will drag into Friday more than likely.

Oh yeah, that's the other thing. Where's Thursday gone in this whole process?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 14:30:28
Oh yeah, that's the other thing. Where's Thursday gone in this whole process?

I read that the meeting could only be on Weds or Friday. Maybe Thursday is a day off for the FL.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: tans on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 14:45:02
I read that the meeting could only be on Weds or Friday. Maybe Thursday is a day off for the FL.

Yeah the old bint who does the admin has thursdays off to look after her 6 kids


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 14:46:26
I read that the meeting could only be on Weds or Friday. Maybe Thursday is a day off for the FL.

Yeah i realised you were only quoting what was published Bob. Surely they won't make them STAY over in Preston for two days? That really would prove they were serious though i suppose.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 15:02:05
Where are the adver updates on this?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: @MacPhlea on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 15:23:49
Where are the adver updates on this?

Sam has been tweeting...

13:35... the door is still closed

13:37... the door is still closed

13:39... the door is still closed

13:41... the door is still closed

...

14:35... the door is still closed


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Frigby Daser on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 15:34:16
It may well be that they meet today but don't receive formal ratification for a day or two, or until the next FL board meeting.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Paolo69 on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 15:38:41
We shouldn't complain, they've really pulled out all the stops on this one.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 15:46:53
We shouldn't complain, they've really pulled out all the stops on this one.

Yeah, the FL have really showed how much they care. Couldn't agree more.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: tans on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 16:21:48
Jed Mcrory has just tweeted a thumbs up emoticon


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: tans on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 16:24:20
And delteted the tweet again


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Saxondale on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 16:25:32
Probably thumbs up for the pizza and beer or something.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Saxondale on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 16:32:30
 ‏@BBCWiltshire
SPORT: @BBCWiltshire understands the prospective new owners of #Swindon Town have held positive talks with the Football League today. #stfc


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 16:33:41
"Getting good vibes out of people involved in discussions with Football League today but not expecting official comment til next week."


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 16:35:56
Next week? Ffs!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: lambourn red on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 16:36:54
This is a fucking joke before we know it the loan window will have finished or there will only be the dregs left


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 16:43:16
This is a fucking joke before we know it the loan window will have finished or there will only be the dregs left

Its probably normal/quick speed, it just so happens to be happening exactly when we don't need it to.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: derbystfc on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 16:47:01
2 weeks to look over some paper work and have a chat??? If I took this long in my job I'd be sacked!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Power to people on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 16:59:38
Takeover's etc are usually ratified in the FL board meeting's so the delay might be they have unofficial approval but cannot be formally signed off until the FL hold a board meeting which may be next week


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Saxondale on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 17:03:59
Can we have unnofficial approval to sign some loan players?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: nochee on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 17:21:19
The carrot continues to dangle  :crash:


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: wigglesworth on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 17:33:47
What's your source on Tottenham? Their last set of accounts showed a small loss after player dealings, interest and tax of under £5m and made a small profit the previous year.

Man Utd is different as the debt was incurred by the owners to finance the purchase. Whilst it looked a bit dodgy there for a while the last I read was it was all under control and they were reducing the debt.

good point I'm not sure where exactly I got this from but I've heard/read it a couple of different sources it stuck in my head as I'm interested in this short of shit. I'll have a dig around see what I can find.

Man Utd are still massively in debt, again I'm sure the last figures I snouted out were £600m odd, but you could be right, they've probably benefitted hugely from this period of close to zero interest rates and paid a shedload down if they've got any sense.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 17:35:16
What's the old saying? patience is a virtue...talk about stretching that saying eh FL?!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 20:27:00
Didn't see Jed at Preston Station when came through on way home from work earlier!

I mentioned it before but is this need to present a budgeted 3year plan to FL normal as part of the process.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 20:39:47
Didn't see Jed at Preston Station when came through on way home from work earlier!

I mentioned it before but is this need to present a budgeted 3year plan to FL normal as part of the process.
I'm in Preston Friday and Saturday. on the Saturday I might well stand outside the FL headquarters with my scarf and a frustrated look on my face - that'll learn them.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 20:44:10
I'm in Preston Friday and Saturday. on the Saturday I might well stand outside the FL headquarters with my scarf and a frustrated look on my face - that'll learn them.

Orange hat protest March?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 21:17:16
I'll have my daughter with me so 2 people could constitute a march. if we're gonig to escalate the stakes i might fgo from a frustrated look to one of indignance. I hope they can cope.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 21:32:17
The problem with a march is you usually march on somewhere.  And in a moment of extreme boredom earlier today, I took a look on Google Streetview to get a look at the palatial setting of the Football League headquarters that Jed was heading to.  And this is what it looks like:

Football League HQ (http://goo.gl/maps/r8epU)

Looks like an out of town office/business park development because, basically, it is.  The Saturday march idea would have to be a definite no no.  The place would be deserted, and no other bugger would know you were there.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 21:40:39
Orange hat protest March?

I don't think we should wait until March...


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 21:43:25
Ok, i'll go there hang a Paolo don't go adver thingy to the door and piss through their letterbox while still looking indignant..... unless anyone has any better ideas.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Wednesday, February 13, 2013, 22:14:16
The problem with a march is you usually march on somewhere.  And in a moment of extreme boredom earlier today, I took a look on Google Streetview to get a look at the palatial setting of the Football League headquarters that Jed was heading to.  And this is what it looks like:

Football League HQ (http://goo.gl/maps/r8epU)

Looks like an out of town office/business park development because, basically, it is.  The Saturday march idea would have to be a definite no no.  The place would be deserted, and no other bugger would know you were there.

Oh it's just round the corner from mothercare was down there the other week, it we are down at the weekend again I will don a hat and look peeved!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: donkey on Thursday, February 14, 2013, 01:04:14
I don't think we should wait until March...

Why not, the football league seem to be?


Title: Re: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Batch on Thursday, February 14, 2013, 08:28:14
BBC wilts reckon Monday should be approval day.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: kerry red on Thursday, February 14, 2013, 08:52:53
This has to be the most boring saga of all time.

And we all know it's going to end in a massive anti-climax


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 14, 2013, 09:08:29
BBC wilts reckon Monday should be approval day.

In time for us signing players for Tuesday's match?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Paolo69 on Thursday, February 14, 2013, 09:13:10
In time for us signing players for Tuesday's match?

Haha. Oh yeah they'll pulling out all those stops again Bob.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, February 14, 2013, 09:13:27
In time for us signing players for Tuesday's match?
Don't bet on it the way things are progressing mate!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Thursday, February 14, 2013, 09:23:02
Haha. Oh yeah they'll pulling out all those stops again Bob.

I reckon they'll all be doing overtime to get this done Paolo!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, February 14, 2013, 09:24:26
I reckon they'll all be doing overtime to get this done Paolo!
I think you are right but I just can't see the FL rushing up the decision in time for this.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 14, 2013, 11:30:23
I think you are right but I just can't see the FL rushing up the decision in time for this.
And in fairness why should they? We (as a club) know what the procedure is (or if we didn't, it's another aspect of this we failed to prepare properly for), it was always going to take a few weeks, it's not the League's fault that the timing of this suits Black's accountants better than it suits us.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, February 14, 2013, 11:31:32
I would be more upset if the FL agreed to everything and then in a few months it all went tits up, they are trying to ensure the new owners are the right ones for the club rather than just the old owners saying they are.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, February 14, 2013, 11:33:48
It always takes this long. longer in many instances.  Much of it will be getting proof of funds, business plans etc.  That still doesn't really protect the business, anymore than you or I buying something from someone, but I presume it's supposed to put off real chancers.  Reaility is, most dodgy geezers find a way of proving anything anyway - see Notts County.  It's all a bit of a charade, but ours is taking no longer than usual.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 14, 2013, 11:36:03
I would be more upset if the FL agreed to everything and then in a few months it all went tits up, they are trying to ensure the new owners are the right ones for the club rather than just the old owners saying they are.
I wouldn't put too much faith in the process tbh, it's still largely a process of self-certification, but at least there is some form of process and some kind of check that they (for example) actually have a business plan, which is better than it was a few years back.

EDIT: And what Rob T said.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, February 14, 2013, 11:46:10
I think we should get Lionel Blair to host the takeover process at the FL.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Peter Venkman on Thursday, February 14, 2013, 11:47:16
I think we should get Lionel Blair to host the takeover process at the FL.
Or Bruce Forsythe....Higher.....Lower....Stick....


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: pauld on Thursday, February 14, 2013, 11:51:29
Jim Bowen - Fit and Proper Person test in a "Bullseye" format. It's a winner!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RobertT on Thursday, February 14, 2013, 12:00:49
Nothing for the Black


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: lambourn red on Thursday, February 14, 2013, 19:16:31
While we await the deal news I do like to pop over and take a look at our pox friends site this latest thread is a classic of them spouting about our impending sale the last post is particularly good they must wank over this stuff

http://www.yellowsforum.proboards.com/thread/13143/wants-buy-club


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: thedarkprince on Thursday, February 14, 2013, 22:20:48
Where do they get this shit from?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: TheMajorSTFC on Thursday, February 14, 2013, 23:57:31
I suppose they are diverting the fact they are well over £40 million in debt (is that correct or is it more?) and also their impending relegation to the conference...again!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: fatbasher on Friday, February 15, 2013, 08:09:41
While we await the deal news I do like to pop over and take a look at our pox friends site this latest thread is a classic of them spouting about our impending sale the last post is particularly good they must wank over this stuff

http://www.yellowsforum.proboards.com/thread/13143/wants-buy-club

Fear not. I am sure whitehorse red will put them right soon enough.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Bob's Orange on Friday, February 15, 2013, 08:15:03
What's wrong with our club, why does nobody like us? Boo fucking hoo, lame ass.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Friday, February 15, 2013, 08:43:19
It's a common misconception that the Club does not own the County Ground.  It does.  It owns the stadium and the stands, but not the freehold of the land that the County Ground is built on.  That is owned by Swindon BC; so the Club pays a rent to Swindon BC (the freeholder) in just the same way that I used to pay a nominal ground rent to the freeholder of the flat I used to own in Wimbledon.  (The bricks & mortar of the flat, however, were mine - which was why I was able to sell it on to someone else when I moved on.)

When we talk about buying the ground from the Council, we are talking about buying the freehold of the ground, but not the ground itself (which we own).  This is very different from the situation that Oxford United are in.  Firoz Kassam owns not just the freehold of their ground, but the stadium itself as well.  Which goes some way to explaining why the rent that they pay - reputed to be in the region of £400k per annum - is several times greater than the rent that we pay to Swindon BC.

I could, of course, have got all of this horribly wrong...in which case someone (probably Messrs Davis or Tuck) will soon correct me.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: jayohaitchenn on Friday, February 15, 2013, 08:45:13
It's a common misconception that the Club does not own the County Ground.  It does.  It owns the stadium and the stands, but not the freehold of the land that the County Ground is built on.  That is owned by Swindon BC; so the Club pays a rent to Swindon BC (the freeholder) in just the same way that I used to pay a nominal ground rent to the freeholder of the flat I used to own in Wimbledon.  (The bricks & mortar of the flat, however, were mine - which was why I was able to sell it on to someone else when I moved on.)

When we talk about buying the ground from the Council, we are talking about buying the freehold of the ground, but not the ground itself (which we own).  This is very different from the situation that Oxford United are in.  Firoz Kassam owns not just the freehold of their ground, but the stadium itself as well.  Which goes some way to explaining why the rent that they pay - reputed to be in the region of £400k per annum - is several times greater than the rent that we pay to Swindon BC.

I could, of course, have got all of this horribly wrong...in which case someone (probably Messrs Davis or Tuck) will soon correct me.

Source?


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Stegenfreud on Friday, February 15, 2013, 08:46:30
I'm pretty sure we pay between 100k-150k a year, some of which goes straight to the FITC trust via the council, about 10% I think.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Friday, February 15, 2013, 08:54:34
Source?

I don't have one really.  Just my understanding of the situation over a number of years.

Makes sense if you think about it.  Occasionally (very occasionally!) we have undertaken capital investment projects to improve the stadium.  Why (for example) would we have paid £1.8 million to demolish the Shrivenham Road Stand in 1994 and then replace it with (what is now) the Don Rogers Stand - if we weren't actually going to own the asset aftewards?  Would we really shell out all that cash only then to hand the resulting asset (the DRS) straight over to Swindon BC?  Don't think so.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: suttonred on Friday, February 15, 2013, 09:02:36
Yep you are correct.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 15, 2013, 09:04:11
I don't have one really.  Just my understanding of the situation over a number of years.

Makes sense if you think about it.  Occasionally (very occasionally!) we have undertaken capital investment projects to improve the stadium.  Why (for example) would we have paid £1.8 million to demolish the Shrivenham Road Stand in 1994 and then replace it with (what is now) the Don Rogers Stand - if we weren't actually going to own the asset aftewards?  Would we really shell out all that cash only then to hand the resulting asset (the DRS) straight over to Swindon BC?  Don't think so.

it would normally depend on the ;ength of the lease, if the lease is say over 75 years unexpired you would complete such improvements even if they passed back to landlord on reversion as the asset would have deprecited to such an extent by reversion that it would be essentially worthless.

However I recall that we seem to operate on 10? year leases (I seem to recall multiple renegotiations since I have been taking an interest in boardroom issues) therefore I would expect the town to retain the asset although lets be honest its all a little pointless, its not like its going to be viabkle to pick the stand up and move anywhere else!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Friday, February 15, 2013, 09:08:28
So returning to john47's post on the Oxford forum...

'Its a catch 22 with Swindon Town and Swindon B Council. Swindon BC own the ground but Swindon owe them a hell of a lot of money in business rates etc. If they evict the football club then the club will not be in a position to repay the debt.'

..and taking each point in turn:

'Its a catch 22 with Swindon Town and Swindon B Council.
It isn't really.

'Swindon BC own the ground...'
They don't.  Just the freehold.  The football club owns the ground.

'...but Swindon owe them a hell of a lot of money in business rates etc.'
We don't.

'If they evict the football club...'
They won't.

'...then the club will not be in a position to repay the debt.'
Not true either - mainly because the debt doesn't exist in the first place (please see above).

But other than that, a cogent and well-reasoned post.  Thanks John.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, February 15, 2013, 09:10:07
although lets be honest its all a little pointless, its not like its going to be viabkle to pick the stand up and move anywhere else!

I wouldn't be sure about that. Maybe flammableBen could see the future:

[url width=550 height=400]http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d35/flammableben/standfight.gif[/url]


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Dostoyevsky on Friday, February 15, 2013, 09:14:30
I'm pretty sure the Shrivenham Road Stand was moved lock stock and barrel from Aldershot.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Ardiles on Friday, February 15, 2013, 09:31:06
it would normally depend on the ;ength of the lease, if the lease is say over 75 years unexpired you would complete such improvements even if they passed back to landlord on reversion as the asset would have deprecited to such an extent by reversion that it would be essentially worthless.

However I recall that we seem to operate on 10? year leases (I seem to recall multiple renegotiations since I have been taking an interest in boardroom issues) therefore I would expect the town to retain the asset although lets be honest its all a little pointless, its not like its going to be viabkle to pick the stand up and move anywhere else!

Absolutely agree.  I think I heard recently that the terms of the lease were up for review very soon (next month?) and that the Club was looking to have the duration extended - was 99 years mentioned somewhere? - so that development of the site was viable from the Club's point of view.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: horlock07 on Friday, February 15, 2013, 09:31:35
I'm pretty sure the Shrivenham Road Stand was moved lock stock and barrel from Aldershot.

Indeed, but that was essentially a steel frame that could be dismantled and rebuilt with little work.

Whilst the DRS (and all modern stands) are via a canti frame which could in theory be dismantled and rebuilt, these is so muich concrete and other material that would have to be replaced it just would not be viable to move.

Its not so much a catch 22 as a fact that the Council needs the club and vice versa.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Stegenfreud on Friday, February 15, 2013, 09:39:26
Its not so much a catch 22 as a fact that the Council needs the club and vice versa.

This is true, even more so if our prospective new owners will fund a redevelopment. The scope and the land is there around the CG, it just needs investment and forward momentum.

I seem to remember one snag being the use of the land, in so much that any prospective retailers using space in a re-developed CG had to be in the leisure industry which is a little limiting.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ahounsell on Friday, February 15, 2013, 09:40:05
Absolutely agree.  I think I heard recently that the terms of the lease were up for review very soon (next month?) and that the Club was looking to have the duration extended - was 99 years mentioned somewhere? - so that development of the site was viable from the Club's point of view.

The current lease expires at the end of March this year. The rent is a base rent which increases in line with inflation each year plus an additional rent which is a percentage of the clubs turnover. All of this info comes from the club accounts from recent years.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Friday, February 15, 2013, 10:04:14
So I take it I'm still marching on FL headquarters later today / early tomorrow


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Power to people on Friday, February 15, 2013, 13:02:24
Absolutely agree.  I think I heard recently that the terms of the lease were up for review very soon (next month?) and that the Club was looking to have the duration extended - was 99 years mentioned somewhere? - so that development of the site was viable from the Club's point of view.

I think the reason for the long lease was also so that the club is able to borrow against it when it comes to the re-development and able to attract new investors, but with Black selling up I assume talks with the council have been put on hold


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: RobertT on Friday, February 15, 2013, 14:33:57
The stadium is indeed owned by the club, and secured against by Arbib/the parent company.
Rent is a % of annual turnover, it fluctuates because of that but is rarely over £150k and is transparrent in the accounts I believe.
The DR stand was a modular design, hence why it went up so quickly.  It is supposedly moveable, but the groundworks would still be required and it wouldn't be cheap - maybe a little more so than a brand new one of the same design in a new location I suppose.  In modern terms, it was a very cheap installation at around £300-£400 a seat.  Generally speaking, modern basic grounds come in at £1000-£1500 per seat, with the flashier ones much higher than that.
We used to have a lot of back rent owed, don't believe that has been the case for about 4 or 5 years now.

We don't own any of the surrounding land, this is the bit that causes issues when considering development.  The Council would need to be involved in any expansion of the footprint.
This one may have changed, but in the past, the row of trees on Shrivenham Rd were protected by the Council,  It restricted the development last time.

The chap who lived 2 houses in on the ground side of Shrivenham Rd was very anti the club, but his opposition would not have prevented the Stratton Bank Development.

That's about it from my memory bank.


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, February 15, 2013, 15:38:15


The chap who lived 2 houses in on the ground side of Shrivenham Rd was very anti the club,

Bit of a fucking stupid place to buy a home then really. (Although he may have been born there or something)


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: FatSmurf on Friday, February 15, 2013, 15:41:47
No he's just a miserable old c*nt


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Flashheart on Friday, February 15, 2013, 15:43:31
Miserable and fucking stupid!


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: Power to people on Tuesday, February 19, 2013, 16:20:27
Not being done today again either

For anyone that is interested here is a link to the FL Owners & Directors test - I think the new guys passed it within 5 mins

http://www.football-league.co.uk/staticFiles/0/8c/0,,10794~166912,00.pdf


Title: Re: Sale of the Club
Post by: ghanimah on Tuesday, February 19, 2013, 16:57:11
Bit of a fucking stupid place to buy a home then really. (Although he may have been born there or something)

Some residents of Didcot who buy 10 year old houses built near the railway (been there since 1839) complain in local papers of the trains. Nothing surprises me in that regard...