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Title: fabrice muamba
Post by: König on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 18:26:31
Has collapsed in the Bolton-Spurs game with no player near him, apparently now fighting for his life. Horrible, horrible stuff.


Title: fabrice muamba
Post by: tans on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 18:26:50
Nasty scenes

Being resuscitated on the pitch


Title: Re: Muamba
Post by: walcot red on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 18:27:38
hope he pulls through and gets better soon


Title: Re: Muamba
Post by: leefer on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 18:28:54
Dosn't look good...think the match looks like its going to be called off.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 18:28:56
God bless


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Sippo on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 18:32:24
Did he regain consciousness ?


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 18:33:01
Game called off :(


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 18:33:42
ESPN Reporter in the tunnel said he went passed him and wasn't breathing.

Horrible.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 18:33:50
"ESPN's reporter in the White Hart Lane tunnel says Fabrice Muamba was not breathing when the Bolton midfielder was carried past him. Medical staff were still attempting to resuscitate him and a defibillator had been used."

kämpfe Fabrice, wir sind bei dir


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 18:34:13
Was it a clash of heads or did it look like a heart attack?

Horrible stuff


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: FormerlyPlymRed on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 18:34:30
ESPN's reporter in the White Hart Lane tunnel says Fabrice Muamba was not breathing when the Bolton midfielder was carried past him. Medical staff were still attempting to resuscitate him and a defibillator had been used.

From BBC sport, hope hes ok  :(


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 18:35:32
Was it a clash of heads or did it look like a heart attack?

Horrible stuff


Collapsed with no one around him


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Freddies Ferret on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 18:51:25
Unbelievable, does not look good for him!


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Panda Paws on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 18:55:55
Looks bad but thoughts and prayers with him. Hope he pulls through.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 18:59:15
Jesus that sounds awful, if the defib was out I fear the worst :(


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Ralphy on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 19:02:09
Only 23 years old


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Iffy's Onion Bhaji on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 19:02:37
Really puts things into perspective. Let's hope he pulls through.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: dave_bambers_right_sock on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 19:02:59
Just hope he pulls through, put things into perspective though


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: tans on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 19:05:19
I cant help but fear the worst.

Shocking


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: ghanimah on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 19:10:26
Awful, hope he's ok


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: [email protected] on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 19:12:34
Puts todays result and performance into perspective. My thoughts and prayers are with him.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: stfcinbmth on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 19:12:58
Flippin heck, that's terrible, do hope he pulls through


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 19:18:08
Shocking that life can be so fragile.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: ronnie21 on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 19:22:28
Puts todays result and performance into perspective. My thoughts and prayers are with him.
Absolutely correct, and to think a few mongs who so say "support" us booed our team off.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 19:28:28
Someones just tweeted that he was breathing again in the ambulance.

Encouraging..


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: tans on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 19:30:57
Hate stuff like that, how do people know?

Will wait for something official


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: hobnob on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 19:33:20
Let's hope for good news


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: janaage on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 19:35:09
Hate stuff like that, how do people know?

Will wait for something official

Agreed I've seen a 'RIP Muaub' (sic) status update already. How do they know he's passed away? Because her daughter told her, who was reliable informed by her brother.

As Tans says, let's just wait and see what happens, wish the bloke well, 23's no age at all.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 19:54:01
What can you say?

Keeping everything crossed.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Freddies Ferret on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 19:58:10
There is no way that any information like that would be released! People need to wait for official statements before making such statements. In my experience it does not look good but my prayers are with him


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: hobnob on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 20:12:07
Sky News saying he is now stable, looking a bit better.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: ghanimah on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 20:15:37
Sky News

"Hospital spokesperson says Bolton midfielder Fabrice Muamba is in a stable condition after collapsing on pitch during match with Tottenham"

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/181111192994058242


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: tans on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 20:27:33
Great news.

I dont think he will play football again though


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: janaage on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 20:30:55
Great news.

I dont think he will play football again though

Why?


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Posh Red on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 20:31:05
Just hope he pulls through


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: leefer on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 20:31:25
Sounds like the prompt action of the medics and maybe the defibulator at the ground gave him a fighting chance.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: tans on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 20:34:40
Why?

Be too much of a risk if it turns out he has a dodgy heart conditon or something like that imo.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Summerof69 on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 20:38:19
And Bolton might struggle to get any insurance for him.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Notts red on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 20:50:00
Sounds like the prompt action of the medics and maybe the defibulator at the ground gave him a fighting chance.
We will all start to see more AEDs ( defibulators ) situated around the towns and villages of Wiltshire which can be used buy members of the public, they really can be the difference between life and death. Hope Muamba makes a full recovery.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: tans on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 20:58:10
They are so easy to use, used them many times.

As you say notts, they should be easily accesible to use.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Notts red on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 21:07:10
Still find it really surprising that a lot of Sports clubs and leisure centres don't have them as like you say Tans they are easy enough to use. There is a big surge at present to get them out there in the community so good for everyone. Sounds like Muamba is over the critical stage so fingers crossed for him.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: tans on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 21:09:18
I work the fire brigade and we used them for co responding.

Used them at the gym once when the guy on the treadmill next to me collapsed. Nasty stuff


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 21:10:46
Tans, you probably know about this. I read a few books which were essentially a collection of factual blogs written by an anonymous paramedic.

I remember he said defribs were obviously lifesaving for getting a heart back to sinus rhythm from irregular rhythms but practically useless for restarting a heart that has flatlined.

Do I remember right?

 


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Freddies Ferret on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 21:16:09
Tans, you probably know about this. I read a few books which were essentially a collection of factual blogs written by an anonymous paramedic.

I remember he said defribs were obviously lifesaving for getting a heart back to sinus rhythm from irregular rhythms but practically useless for restarting a heart that has flatlined.

Do I remember right?

 
correct, it is only useful for specific arrythmias (vt/vf)! If someone was in asystole the defib would not let you shock the patient


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 21:17:38
Ta.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Freddies Ferret on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 21:20:26
In resus situations I have been involved with, ist actually not that common that you get to use the defib! Unfortunately if your in a rhythm that does not require a defib your chances are not that great.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: tans on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 21:23:08
Yeah as you say dan it wont let you shock them if theres no rhythm


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Jamiesfuturewife on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 21:26:27
How horrible,  poor guy hope he pulls through
We don't have one at our leisure centre
It's an absolute joke
Got told that there's like a 5% (maybe less) chance you'll bring someone back without one???


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Freddies Ferret on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 21:36:43
How horrible,  poor guy hope he pulls through
We don't have one at our leisure centre
It's an absolute joke
Got told that there's like a 5% (maybe less) chance you'll bring someone back without one???
if your condition requires the use of a defib it definitely helps your chances of survival! I find it mental that leisure centres are not required by law to have a defib, even with the added complication of resuscitating someone on a pool side


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Notts red on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 21:37:38
A lot of leisure centres still don't have them even though they hold regular classes for people who have been referred there by their doctors. After four minutes it's something like 15% per minute less chance of recovery.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 21:51:54
Poor chap is now reported critically ill in intensive care :(

http://www.bwfc.co.uk/page/General/0,,1004~2663856,00.html


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Freddies Ferret on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 21:52:23
Official statement from bwfc says that he is critically Ill in the intensive care unit


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: otanswell on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 21:58:55
Praying he pulls through. Its like Marc Vivien Foe and Phill O Donnell all over again :(

Watching SSN, and the paprazzi are circling the hospital like hawks. Fucking scum the lot of them


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: slinky on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 22:08:36
How horrible,  poor guy hope he pulls through
We don't have one at our leisure centre
It's an absolute joke
Got told that there's like a 5% (maybe less) chance you'll bring someone back without one???

Having spent a lot of time in America they are everywhere.  They even have them in McDonald's.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Jamiesfuturewife on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 22:22:46
In my village there are defibs in the farm shop & the social centre so why on earth we don't have one at work is shocking - we have a new staff trainer though & think she's going to insist we get one

I'm glad I'm compitant in CPR & would know what to do if someone collapsed but I hope to god I never have to witness a player collapse like that at the county ground


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Compo on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 22:23:27
Well said Ollie...


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Hammer on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 22:26:46
In the last 2 weeks, and within a 300 yard radius of my home. An elderly woman has been strangled, another has died in a house fire, a 9 year old girl was knocked down and killed and a 20 year old died in a scooter accident. I didnt see any of this on SkySportsNews. I guess a Congolese guy earning thousands each week playing for Bolton fucking Wanderers strikes more of a chord in the community based society of modern Britain.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Chubbs on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 22:28:25
In the last 2 weeks, and within a 300 yard radius of my home. An elderly woman has been strangled, another has died in a house fire, a 9 year old girl was knocked down and killed and a 20 year old died in a scooter accident. I didnt see any of this on SkySportsNews. I guess a Congolese guy earning thousands each week playing for Bolton fucking Wanderers strikes more of a chord in the community based society of modern Britain.
what sports were they playing?


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Bogus Dave on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 22:28:41
In the last 2 weeks, and within a 300 yard radius of my home. An elderly woman has been strangled, another has died in a house fire, a 9 year old girl was knocked down and killed and a 20 year old died in a scooter accident. I didnt see any of this on SkySportsNews.

Why would any of that be on Sky sports news?


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Batch on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 22:30:13
In the last 2 weeks, and within a 300 yard radius of my home. An elderly woman has been strangled, another has died in a house fire, a 9 year old girl was knocked down and killed and a 20 year old died in a scooter accident. I didnt see any of this on SkySportsNews. I guess a Congolese guy earning thousands each week playing for Bolton fucking Wanderers strikes more of a chord in the community based society of modern Britain.

Last week my sons football team won 12-0, that didn't get a mention either.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: yeo on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 22:37:19
Its very,very sad and my thought are with him etc but the media coverage of this is doing my head in already.5 live are have extending coverage to discuss it till midnight.Whats there to discuss? Twitter gone all "Diana",people need to get a grip.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: SwindonTartanArmy on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 22:38:16
In the last 2 weeks, and within a 300 yard radius of my home. An elderly woman has been strangled, another has died in a house fire, a 9 year old girl was knocked down and killed and a 20 year old died in a scooter accident. I didnt see any of this on SkySportsNews. I guess a Congolese guy earning thousands each week playing for Bolton fucking Wanderers strikes more of a chord in the community based society of modern Britain.
How many thousands of people were watching them compete at those sports at the time?


Seems Hammer isnt the only insensitive one out there!

https://twitter.com/#!/retrofit_andrew/status/181116893137092608/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/#!/retrofit_andrew/status/181116893137092608/photo/1)


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Flashheart on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 22:46:34
In the last 2 weeks, and within a 300 yard radius of my home. An elderly woman has been strangled, another has died in a house fire, a 9 year old girl was knocked down and killed and a 20 year old died in a scooter accident. I didnt see any of this on SkySportsNews. I guess a Congolese guy earning thousands each week playing for Bolton fucking Wanderers strikes more of a chord in the community based society of modern Britain.

I would have agreed that you have a point to a degree. After all, people do die all the time.

But I find it difficult to agree with you because you calling him Congolese, when he is in fact English, makes me doubt your motive. And why is his nationality even relevant anyway?


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Chubbs on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 22:49:25
I would have agreed that you have a point to a degree. After all, people do die all the time.

But I find it difficult to agree with you because you calling him Congolese, when he is in fact English, makes me doubt your motive. And why is his nationality even relevant anyway?
trying to get a bite


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Notts red on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 22:56:12
Some very sad people get kicks out of other peoples misery, bet some are at home now staying up to think up the jokes for tomorrow to get their fix, Low life's.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Chubbs on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 22:58:09
Some very sad people get kicks out of other peoples misery, bet some are at home now staying up to think up the jokes for tomorrow to get their fix, Low life's.
tomorrow? they've allready been doing the rounds for past few hours. sick people


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Notts red on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 23:00:09
 
tomorrow? they've allready been doing the rounds for past few hours. sick people
What goes around comes around, won't be so funny then though.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: reeves4england on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 23:17:23
Its very,very sad and my thought are with him etc but the media coverage of this is doing my head in already.5 live are have extending coverage to discuss it till midnight.Whats there to discuss? Twitter gone all "Diana",people need to get a grip.

Agree with this - I find it very odd how people seem to want to jump on the grief bandwagon when something happens to somebody famous. It's tragic what's happened with Muamba, as it would be with anybody else, and I hope and pray that he'll recover, but extended media coverage etc is crazy


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: SwindonTartanArmy on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 23:25:36
Kind of get your point, but how many people have a heart attack with several hundred thousand people watching?


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Notts red on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 23:38:10
In my village there are defibs in the farm shop & the social centre so why on earth we don't have one at work is shocking - we have a new staff trainer though & think she's going to insist we get one

I'm glad I'm compitant in CPR & would know what to do if someone collapsed but I hope to god I never have to witness a player collapse like that at the county ground
Hopefully in the near future whenever someone calls 999 for a suspected heart attack the control centre will tell you where the nearest AED is. Ideally they will need to be within a quarter of a mile from the caller and accessible 24hrs a day. So if your in the sports centre at Calne and you dont have one I guess the police station may have one outside which is also handy for that part of the town.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: reeves4england on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 23:39:29
Kind of get your point, but how many people have a heart attack with several hundred thousand people watching?

I'm not saying it isn't newsworthy - of course it will make headlines... but extended discussion for hours afterwards? What's the point? There's nothing to say.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: SwindonTartanArmy on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 23:44:54
I'm not saying it isn't newsworthy - of course it will make headlines... but extended discussion for hours afterwards? What's the point? There's nothing to say.
Not watched the news on it since the game was abandoned so dont know what has been said, but there is a suprising number of supremely healthy young men who have died from heart attacks over the years, so I would say there is something to discuss. Particularly heart checks, which have been in place in Serie A for a number of years.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Notts red on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 23:53:38
Not watched the news on it since the game was abandoned so dont know what has been said, but there is a suprising number of supremely healthy young men who have died from heart attacks over the years, so I would say there is something to discuss. Particularly heart checks, which have been in place in Serie A for a number of years.
Pretty sure all professional players now have yearly ECGs as part of their contracts to protect both parties.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: otanswell on Saturday, March 17, 2012, 23:56:14
Just done the noble thing and reported this prick to the old bill:

https://twitter.com/#!/@superalex707


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: reeves4england on Sunday, March 18, 2012, 00:00:46
Just done the noble thing and reported this prick to the old bill:

https://twitter.com/#!/@superalex707

What a delightful fellow  ::)


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: SwindonTartanArmy on Sunday, March 18, 2012, 00:01:36
Just done the noble thing and reported this prick to the old bill:

https://twitter.com/#!/@superalex707
What a horrible cunt.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Hammer on Sunday, March 18, 2012, 00:07:38
Oh you're such a provocative knob BR/Flashheart.
He is English by "passport" only, having been brought here as an 11 year old in 2004/5. The proprietors of my local Chinese take-away insist that they are not English, and rightly so, despite being here since 1994.

However, that issue isn't particularly relevant, although you found it so by "re-tweeting" it.

I have total concern/sympathy for the friends, family and colleagues of Fabrice and hope he is able to make a full recovery.

What actually concerns me is that many people's lives are governed or subconsciously controlled by the media (eg Skysports) to the extent where we pay more attention to supposed celebrity "deaths" at the expense of ignoring serious events which are closer to home. Hence my lack of interest in the Premier League and a long-term clearly defined interest in STFC.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Notts red on Sunday, March 18, 2012, 00:10:26
Pretty sure all professional players now have yearly ECGs as part of their contracts to protect both parties.
Having just checked on that it looks like all young players are screened when they come into the game and then premier league Regulations and common sense dictates The clubs continue to monitor players health. ECGs will not always pick up on certain defects though as in the case of Marc Viviene-Foe who died playing for Camaroon In 2003.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: DMR on Sunday, March 18, 2012, 01:36:11
Astonishing to think that lads in that sort of physical condition can suffer this sort of thing, it does make me relatively philosophical in that it goes to show no matter what you do or what nick you're in, if your numbers up your numbers up.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Boy About Town on Sunday, March 18, 2012, 01:48:49
Astonishing to think that lads in that sort of physical condition can suffer this sort of thing, it does make me relatively philosophical in that it goes to show no matter what you do or what nick you're in, if your numbers up your numbers up.

Absolutely. Could not be said better IMO.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Dozno9 on Sunday, March 18, 2012, 07:18:52
No update given this morning other than he's stable but critical. Hope he pulls through.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Only Me on Sunday, March 18, 2012, 07:34:01
Astonishing to think that lads in that sort of physical condition can suffer this sort of thing, it does make me relatively philosophical in that it goes to show no matter what you do or what nick you're in, if your numbers up your numbers up.

Let's just hope his number ain't quite up yet


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: janaage on Sunday, March 18, 2012, 09:13:03
Astonishing to think that lads in that sort of physical condition can suffer this sort of thing, it does make me relatively philosophical in that it goes to show no matter what you do or what nick you're in, if your numbers up your numbers up.

Not quite so sure that it proves it doesn't matter what condition your in, as I'm sure out of shape people who smoke and drink are much more likely to have a serious health issue than a pro sports person.  But it is the lottery of life, amazing to think the average age of a person who makes a critical illness claim is only 43 years old. It could happen to anyone.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: leefer on Sunday, March 18, 2012, 09:25:14
Top class football players go from being relaxed and then in the next breath running around for 45 odd mins at top pace.....the strain on the heart and lungs is massive.
I kind of agree with DMR but would he have collapsed if sat on the bench as a sub :hmmm:


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: tans on Sunday, March 18, 2012, 09:26:25
Trouble is leefer, you dont need to be exerting yourself to have a heart attack


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Notts red on Sunday, March 18, 2012, 09:38:56
CRY ( Cardiac risk in the young ) Estimate that at least Eight under 35 year olds die a week of Sudden cardiac death or Sudden death syndrome. They also say the tragedy of most cases is that if they were not Exercising hard or pushing there bodies they Would probably not had a heart attack, although the figure seems high Think about how many young people are involved in sport every day.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: leefer on Sunday, March 18, 2012, 09:46:28
Trouble is leefer, you dont need to be exerting yourself to have a heart attack

Correct but as i said my feeling is if he had been sat on the bench or at home he maybe would't have been in hospital now....running around at top wack for 45 mins probably brought it on in this case but i take your points that it could happen at any time.
Good player and to my shame didn't realise that he had captained the England U21's.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Flashheart on Sunday, March 18, 2012, 09:49:07
Correct but as i said my feeling is if he had been sat on the bench or at home he maybe would't have been in hospital now....running around at top wack for 45 mins probably brought it on in this case but i take your points that it could happen at any time.


Whereas an unfit person's heart could come under just as much strain running for a bus.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: leefer on Sunday, March 18, 2012, 09:51:16
Whereas an unfit person's heart could come under just as much strain running for a bus.

Agreed....as i said :D


Title: Re: Muamba
Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, March 19, 2012, 09:30:06
Still critically ill.

On a similar morbid note, how cruel must this have been for the player. Probably the best moment in his career and just before he gets his medal his dad dies.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-17423952


Title: Re: Muamba
Post by: Notts red on Monday, March 19, 2012, 09:40:48
Still critically ill.

On a similar morbid note, how cruel must this have been for the player. Probably the best moment in his career and just before he gets his medal his dad dies.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-17423952
Sadly for him winning the cup final will for now mean nothing.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: sw63 on Monday, March 19, 2012, 10:58:54
I have "heard" that there was a specialist cardiac doctor in the crowd that noticed the symptoms almost immediately; he ran down to the dugout and assisted the medics and club doctors with the resusitation. IMO....What a fucking legend. Deserves to be well and truly commended. Here's hoping Fabrice will be make a full recovery.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: LJ9 on Monday, March 19, 2012, 11:12:22
One down...and deservedly so!!

http://aggbot.com/Bolton-Wanderers-News/article/16426781


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, March 19, 2012, 11:14:58
One down...and deservedly so!!

http://aggbot.com/Bolton-Wanderers-News/article/16426781

He's playing the 'I didn't have my phone'

Before that though he tried to say it was all just a joke.

Little twat


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: ghanimah on Monday, March 19, 2012, 11:15:34
I have "heard" that there was a specialist cardiac doctor in the crowd that noticed the symptoms almost immediately; he ran down to the dugout and assisted the medics and club doctors with the resusitation. IMO....What a fucking legend. Deserves to be well and truly commended. Here's hoping Fabrice will be make a full recovery.

According to newspaper reports it appears to be this chap:

http://www.spirehealthcare.com/roding/our-facilities-treatments-and-consultants/our-consultants/dr-andrew-deaner/


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 19, 2012, 12:00:11
One down...and deservedly so!!

http://aggbot.com/Bolton-Wanderers-News/article/16426781

I saw that twats posts. Someone screen grabbed it and fired off complaints. The fact he  cacktracked (tm) and said his account was hacked means I guess we have to be a bit careful.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: wiggy on Monday, March 19, 2012, 12:29:45
I lived in Pontypridd 21 years ago - hope he isn't one of mine!


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, March 19, 2012, 12:55:46
theres rumours that bolton plan on withdrawing from the FA Cup, if this was to happen would the Yids get a free pass or would Milwall be re-instated?


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Power to people on Monday, March 19, 2012, 12:56:56
Depends if both clubs decide to withdraw but I would suspect Spurs would be given a bye to the next round


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: DMR on Monday, March 19, 2012, 12:57:31
At the risk of being labelled a heartless cunt (again), why on gods green earth would they do that?


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 19, 2012, 12:58:34
At the risk of being labelled a heartless cunt (again), why on gods green earth would they do that?

Had the same thought, hope it doesn't mean bad news is coming.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: blah blah on Monday, March 19, 2012, 13:00:47
At the risk of being labelled a heartless cunt (again), why on gods green earth would they do that?

At the risk of being labelled a DMR sympathiser, I totally agree. After the Hillsborough disaster, Liverpool carried on, with the extra motivation to win it for those that died. Surely everyone would want Bolton to carry on and win it for Fabrice, however his situation turns out


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Ralphy on Monday, March 19, 2012, 13:01:02
At the risk of being labelled a heartless cunt (again), why on gods green earth would they do that?

I've kept quiet over this. While it is very sad, what player in his right mind would turn down the chance to progress to Wembley in the FA cup ????

Some Bolton players must be eager to play Spurs when a chance of Wembley is on offer.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Chubbs on Monday, March 19, 2012, 13:03:37
I dont know why they would, at the end of the day, its a game no different to a league game really.
Its just something i read, thats all.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: hobnob on Monday, March 19, 2012, 13:05:10
God forbid it happening to any other player but as everyone has rightly been praising the emergency services I have been wondering if clubs lower down (like us) would or could act so promptly?

Hope so.



Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Monday, March 19, 2012, 13:20:19
God forbid it happening to any other player but as everyone has rightly been praising the emergency services I have been wondering if clubs lower down (like us) would or could act so promptly?

Hope so.



Interesting post.

Was it last year at the CG where an ambulance was called after an Franchise player (Lewington I think) was concussed following a clash of heads?

I seem to recall it taking forever as there was not an ambulance on stand by at the ground?  Which did at the time strike me as being a bit odd.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Saxondale on Monday, March 19, 2012, 13:21:31
http://www.thedaisycutter.co.uk/2012/03/dear-scum-an-open-letter-to-the-sun/

The scum showing its true colours once again


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Notts red on Monday, March 19, 2012, 13:35:15
Thought it was a legal requirement, Can't ever remember when the Ambulance is not parked around the corner between the Arkells and The Town End on a match day. Remember when Lewington went down, it was in front of us and looked nasty at the time. Think he missed a couple of games because of the head blow.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: [email protected] on Monday, March 19, 2012, 13:40:21
I can't remember if it was following the Hilsborough or the Bradford Disaster, but there was a nationwide review and it was was decided that we didn't need to have an ambulance on stand-by at the ground as the ambulance station was so close whereas this is not the case for the vast majority of clubs.

It was Lewington who was taken to the GWH following a clash of heads, and it did seem to take a while for the ambulance to arrive, BUT we don't know how long it took for somebody to call the ambulance.  I would expect their physio was looking at him for quite a while first, and you would expect an ambulance to arrive sooner for a stopped heart than it would for someone with concussion.  Also, when something like Lewington (or heaven forbid) Muamba happens, time does SEEM to slow down because of the nature of the event whereas in reality it may not actually take that long.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Processed Beats on Monday, March 19, 2012, 15:31:15
Showing small signs of improvement now, moving his arms and legs apparently.

Great news.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Samdy Gray on Monday, March 19, 2012, 16:25:12
He's playing the 'I didn't have my phone'

Before that though he tried to say it was all just a joke.

Little twat

He's admitted that it was him and is potentially facing a spell at Her Majesty's pleasure.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17434587


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, March 19, 2012, 16:39:36
I can't remember if it was following the Hilsborough or the Bradford Disaster, but there was a nationwide review and it was was decided that we didn't need to have an ambulance on stand-by at the ground as the ambulance station was so close whereas this is not the case for the vast majority of clubs.

It was Lewington who was taken to the GWH following a clash of heads, and it did seem to take a while for the ambulance to arrive, BUT we don't know how long it took for somebody to call the ambulance.  I would expect their physio was looking at him for quite a while first, and you would expect an ambulance to arrive sooner for a stopped heart than it would for someone with concussion.  Also, when something like Lewington (or heaven forbid) Muamba happens, time does SEEM to slow down because of the nature of the event whereas in reality it may not actually take that long.
It was after Petr Cech's injury at Reading that it was reccommended ambulanes be in attendance at games -not sure if its just prem though. 


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Jimmy Glass is an Alien on Monday, March 19, 2012, 16:47:23
He's admitted that it was him and is potentially facing a spell at Her Majesty's pleasure.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17434587

"I'm not racist and some of my friends are from different cultural backgrounds."

That's alright then, as long as some of your mates are from different cultural backgrounds, we'll let you off then. Fool.  :doh:


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 19, 2012, 16:54:27
He's admitted that it was him and is potentially facing a spell at Her Majesty's pleasure.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17434587
Utterly ridiculous (not you Samdy). The bloke's clearly an utter gobshite and deserves to be exposed, vilified and publicly humiliated. But does this really merit taking up the police's and courts' time? Really?


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: walcot red on Monday, March 19, 2012, 16:57:39
couldn't we put the cunt in the stocks in a middle of a town centre outside the reebok stadium and let the bolton fans pelt him with rotten eggs


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: DMR on Monday, March 19, 2012, 16:57:55
Fuck me, I've exchanged joke texts worse than that, OK a text is private, and again I expect to get abused for such an opinion but I do think sending the bloke to prison over some comments on Twitter is a bit much.

It's just words and all that jazz.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 19, 2012, 17:00:27
I must be wrong, I find myself being agreed with by and in complete agreement with DMR :)


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: ghanimah on Monday, March 19, 2012, 17:02:04
Utterly ridiculous (not you Samdy). The bloke's clearly an utter gobshite and deserves to be exposed, vilified and publicly humiliated. But does this really merit taking up the police's and courts' time? Really?

Welcome back Pauld, and well said


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: DMR on Monday, March 19, 2012, 17:02:24
Good gravy.

You're back then Mr D. Just in time for Wembley, plastic lefty cunt!


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Dozno9 on Monday, March 19, 2012, 17:02:48
Utterly ridiculous (not you Samdy). The bloke's clearly an utter gobshite and deserves to be exposed, vilified and publicly humiliated. But does this really merit taking up the police's and courts' time? Really?

Yes. I pay my taxes so shit like this get locked up and as he's admitted the offence so minimal time will be taken up by the courts.

But I'm sure if he's not in court taking up the time I'm sure there's a OAP who hasnt paid their council tax who could be dealt with instead.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: DMR on Monday, March 19, 2012, 17:04:25
Yes. I pay my taxes so shit like this get locked up and as he's admitted the offence so minimal time will be taken up by the courts.

But I'm sure if he's not in court taking up the time I'm sure there's a OAP who hasnt paid their council tax who could be dealt with instead.

You could quite easily justify the argument that the dithering old cunt who isn't paying their council tax is causing more tangible damage than one bloke spouting off on Twitter...


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Batch on Monday, March 19, 2012, 17:05:26
Utterly ridiculous (not you Samdy). The bloke's clearly an utter gobshite and deserves to be exposed, vilified and publicly humiliated. But does this really merit taking up the police's and courts' time? Really?

Yes and no.

In isolation this case is a pointless waste of time and money. The press exposure and no doubt being thrown out of uni is more than enough punishment.

But it depends if you believe making an example of him will make others think twice about what they post on social network sites. There have been cases where bullying has caused the victims enough distress to kill themselves.  There have been cases where murder victims families have been directly taunted.

If doing this stops the above it could be claimed it was worthwhile. Personally I think the ends does not justify the means in this case.



Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 19, 2012, 17:06:59
Yes. I pay my taxes so shit like this get locked up and as he's admitted the offence so minimal time will be taken up by the courts.

But I'm sure if he's not in court taking up the time I'm sure there's a OAP who hasnt paid their council tax who could be dealt with instead.
The courts won't have time to deal with anyone if they're going to start prosecuting everyone who's been an offensive arsehole online. I'd rather they went after actual criminals.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 19, 2012, 17:10:19
Yes and no.

In isolation this case is a pointless waste of time and money. The press exposure and no doubt being thrown out of uni is more than enough punishment.

But it depends if you believe making an example of him will make others think twice about what they post on social network sites. There have been cases where bullying has caused the victims enough distress to kill themselves.  There have been cases where murder victims families have been directly taunted.

If doing this stops the above it could be claimed it was worthwhile. Personally I think the ends does not justify the means in this case
Yes but this isn't one of those cases. It's just the coppers pre-empting the "Something must be done" headlines.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Dozno9 on Monday, March 19, 2012, 17:10:35
You could quite easily justify the argument that the dithering old cunt who isn't paying their council tax is causing more tangible damage than one bloke spouting off on Twitter...

You could but when HMRC spend c.£3m on taking Redknapp to court in order to recoup a fraction of that amount I think morality has taken over from the pure economic damage done by an individual.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Dozno9 on Monday, March 19, 2012, 17:12:12
The courts won't have time to deal with anyone if they're going to start prosecuting everyone who's been an offensive arsehole online. I'd rather they went after actual criminals.

He is a criminal, he's commited and admitted a criminal offence, whats an "actual criminal"? Maybe the old bill should have a league table of crimes to see which ones are worth bothering with after receiving a complaint.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: ghanimah on Monday, March 19, 2012, 17:15:13
He is a criminal, he's commited and admitted a criminal offence, whats an "actual criminal"? Maybe the old bill should have a league table of crimes to see which ones are worth bothering with?

They already do that, try getting burgled or indeed have a disabled wife that's abused in the street


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 19, 2012, 17:15:37
He is a criminal, he's commited a criminal offence, whats an "actual criminal"?
He's alleged to have committed a criminal offence. Or more to the point, he's accused of being criminally offensive.

What he's actually done is got a whole load of people's backs up by being an insenstive little turd. And very little more. It's hardly riot, murder or theft is it?


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Dozno9 on Monday, March 19, 2012, 17:18:26
They have a reporting catagory which have different times of response and processing, every complaint must be investigated (or should be!).

Given the nature of the publicity given they had to be seen to do something but I don't subscribe to the belief that because some see racial abuse as a minor crime its shouldn't be processed through the correct channels and just binned off for the sake of it.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Dozno9 on Monday, March 19, 2012, 17:20:22
He's alleged to have committed a criminal offence. Or more to the point, he's accused of being criminally offensive.

What he's actually done is got a whole load of people's backs up by being an insenstive little turd. And very little more. It's hardly riot, murder or theft is it?

He's been charged and he's admitted it, there's no alleged about it. No it's not a riot or murder so should the old bill and courts only be there for those crimes then?


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: pauld on Monday, March 19, 2012, 17:32:02
I think I and others find it a bit daft that some throwaway comments, albeit deeply offensive ones, on a social networking site are treated as a criminal offence at all. If he was clearly deliberately inciting racial hatred or had approached Muamba's relatives in the street, I could kind of see the point, but as it was, it's just some dickhead being provocative for the sake of it and getting a bigger rise than he expected. It's like jailing those kids who said "Yeah, come and riot in my quiet Cheshire suburb" last summer for four years, it's completely over the top. The bloke's an arsehole, he deserves vilification and humiliation not prosecution. But I suspect this is a bit of a Marmite issue, so perhaps let's leave it there for now?


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: chalkies_shorts on Monday, March 19, 2012, 17:33:41
Just drop the cunt off at St Pauls on a friday / Saturday night and let Darwin do the rest.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 19, 2012, 17:36:27
 If he gets banged up, you could start a campaign....like the old George Davis is innocent. (He wasn't)


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Swindon Please Win on Monday, March 19, 2012, 17:44:55
Muamba is apparantly talking again, friends of him have said according to Sky.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: König on Monday, March 19, 2012, 18:00:33
Would a person who went so long with out getting oxygen to the brain more than likely suffer some sort of brain damage?


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Nemo on Monday, March 19, 2012, 18:33:32
Would a person who went so long with out getting oxygen to the brain more than likely suffer some sort of brain damage?

I thought this, but they got Oxygen to him fairly quickly, he just hasn't been able to breathe unaided. It's no exaggeration to say that a fast response appears to have saved his life.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Coca Fola on Monday, March 19, 2012, 18:40:51
If he makes a full recovery I'm guessing he'll be advised to not play football again?


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Dozno9 on Monday, March 19, 2012, 19:55:18
I think I and others find it a bit daft that some throwaway comments, albeit deeply offensive ones, on a social networking site are treated as a criminal offence at all.

But that's it, they're not just throwaway comments, the words and phrases he used can carry a custodial sentence. Some people may see this as daft but the law is what it is and I see no reason why it shouldn't be used against this prick, he's broken the law and has to suffer the consequences.

He's not the first or last peron to be convicted of racial abuse and these people need to be prosecuted to change the attitude of others. They need to see that this language and attitude is totally unacceptable and just giving people a bollocking behind closed doors isn't enough.



Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Monday, March 19, 2012, 20:22:00
Hope he pulls through.
When I read of heart problems it always tugs on the heart strings (pardon the pun) - My nan died at 45 (15 years or so before I was born) due to a heart attack


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: ibelieveinmrreeves on Monday, March 19, 2012, 20:23:52
If he makes a full recovery I'm guessing he'll be advised to not play football again?

Read this earlier, was quite interesting (as has this whole thread been, I feel better educated about heart attacks et al). Providing he recovers fully I can't see Muamba playing again.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17423393


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Notts red on Monday, March 19, 2012, 20:28:25
Hope he pulls through.
When I read of heart problems it always tugs on the heart strings (pardon the pun) - My nan died at 45 (15 years or so before I was born) due to a heart attack
Sorry to hear that, 45 is no age to pass away regardless of the cause. Hopefully in the coming years more people will benifit from things like the community defibrillators mentioned earlier in the thread.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: leefer on Monday, March 19, 2012, 20:31:59
You could quite easily justify the argument that the dithering old cunt who isn't paying their council tax is causing more tangible damage than one bloke spouting off on Twitter...

Wrong,we seen what good(said ironically) the networking sites can due during the riots......anyone being racist to me are far more in need of a clip round the ear than someone not paying there poll tax.
Fact is its twats like this who are making Britain the country it is today ...and i think its fair to say there aint a lot of Great in front of Britain these days.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Notts red on Monday, March 19, 2012, 20:35:13
The BBC are saying Fabrice is now breathing independently and recognises family and friends, let's hope he continues to show signs of improvement.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: ron dodgers on Monday, March 19, 2012, 20:37:26
well we give a home for political refugees from all over the world and I think that's pretty great


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: leefer on Monday, March 19, 2012, 20:41:03
well we give a home for political refugees from all over the world and I think that's pretty great

Yeah....great for them maybe.

And i can sincerly say that more political refugees are turned away than let in......how many Syrians you talked to lately?....been a bit political out there lately.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Flashheart on Monday, March 19, 2012, 20:45:17
Did Sol Davis not have a stroke yet carry on playing?

A bit different from a heart attack I know, but perhaps we shouldn't take such things at face value!


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: leefer on Monday, March 19, 2012, 20:47:57
The good thing with Fabrice is that he carried on with his education and i believe he was in his final year of studying for accountancy or something similar....so his hard work and dedication off the pitch could turn up trumps for him when/if he recovers but cannot play football.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Notts red on Monday, March 19, 2012, 20:58:13
The good thing with Fabrice is that he carried on with his education and i believe he was in his final year of studying for accountancy or something similar....so his hard work and dedication off the pitch could turn up trumps for him when/if he recovers but cannot play football.
Think he is studying and hoping long term to become a Doctor Lee. Apparently one of the brighter footballers out there.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Dozno9 on Monday, March 19, 2012, 21:21:59
He would be a millionaire with an education so if football ends I think he will be ok.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: leefer on Monday, March 19, 2012, 21:30:40
Think he is studying and hoping long term to become a Doctor Lee. Apparently one of the brighter footballers out there.

How ironic.

Lets hope the rumours are true and he is progesing well.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Notts red on Monday, March 19, 2012, 22:25:16
Think he is studying and hoping long term to become a Doctor Lee. Apparently one of the brighter footballers out there.
Sorry Leefer, I heard Muambas sister say that he wants to become a doctor, he is like you say studying to be an Accountant and dreams of one day holding a doctorate and being referred to as "Doctor Muamba"


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Ralphy on Tuesday, March 20, 2012, 05:51:42
To be honest, even if he can't play football again, he'll get a massive pay off through insurance and possibly from Bolton too. Can't see him struggling for cash.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: sw63 on Tuesday, March 20, 2012, 12:24:51
Sorry Leefer, I heard Muambas sister say that he wants to become a doctor, he is like you say studying to be an Accountant and dreams of one day holding a doctorate and being referred to as "Doctor Muamba"

Sounds like a Bond villian to me.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: horlock07 on Tuesday, March 20, 2012, 12:44:39
What I found a little distasteful was what appeared to be the huge number of tweets flying around immediately after it happened linking the quality of the quick medical care he received and the impending NHS reforms.

Just seemed a lot wanted to link this to a political issue too sooon and in dreadful taste.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: wiggy on Friday, March 23, 2012, 09:13:22
Following on from the debate about racism on twitter, and whether it should be followed up by the Police, the student who abused Stan Collymore has been sentenced:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-17462619


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: fittons_coaching_badge on Friday, March 23, 2012, 09:36:51
What did people make of the minutes applause held for Muamba at some premier league games?

Whilst I am in support of people showing their support in some way, I just found it a little odd as in the past this has been done for people who have passed away.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Batch on Friday, March 23, 2012, 11:22:38
Exactly what I said, he ain't even dead yet.  But it was well intentioned so no biggie.

Reading some of the medical sound bites how they hell is he (thankfully) still with us. No muscle activity in heart for 78 minutes, defibrillator 15 times, etc etc. 


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Benzel on Friday, March 23, 2012, 11:51:55
Exactly what I said, he ain't even dead yet.  But it was well intentioned so no biggie.

Reading some of the medical sound bites how they hell is he (thankfully) still with us. No muscle activity in heart for 78 minutes, defibrillator 15 times, etc etc. 

A 1 in a million chance and he took it. It's incredible.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Saturday, March 24, 2012, 15:31:07
Delighted he is making a recovery.

At the risk of being shouted at (& I don't mean it in a disrespectful manner) but it seems more fuss has been placed around this than when player or ex-player has actually passed away


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: pericarp on Saturday, March 24, 2012, 15:36:12
Delighted he is making a recovery.

At the risk of being shouted at (& I don't mean it in a disrespectful manner) but it seems more fuss has been placed around this than when player or ex-player has actually passed away

A player hasn't passed away in a while (I think. Cue for everyone to shout abuse at me). And ex-players have usually been those that lived a long happy life after retirement. (Another cue for everyone to shout abuse at me at how wrong I am). This with Fabrice is completely different, and really does place everything into perspective. He's only 23, and his life was hanging by a thread. The community was in shock, but in unity. I'd say the amount of 'fuss' was appropriate for such an incident.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Peter Venkman on Saturday, March 24, 2012, 15:52:21
You would be shocked at the amount of professional footballers who have died while playing, I know i was. probably well over 50 and and there have been over 10 in the last 5 years.

The most famous recently that has passed during a game is probably Marc Vivien Foe in 2003.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballers_who_died_while_playing


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: pericarp on Saturday, March 24, 2012, 15:56:12
Find it quite disturbing how there's a specific wikipedia page on that title..


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Dozno9 on Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 13:02:35
Liam Stacey hs been jailed for 56 days.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17515992


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Coca Fola on Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 13:24:43
Find it quite disturbing how there's a specific wikipedia page on that title..
Why? Wikipedia has a page on pretty much anything.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 13:36:04
Liam Stacey hs been jailed for 56 days.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17515992

had it been racist abuse to an 'ordinary' fellow fuck all would have happen


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Bob's Orange on Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 13:37:30
You would be shocked at the amount of professional footballers who have died while playing, I know i was. probably well over 50 and and there have been over 10 in the last 5 years.

The most famous recently that has passed during a game is probably Marc Vivien Foe in 2003.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballers_who_died_while_playing

Shouldn't laugh but someone from a team called 'invincible eleven' is on that list.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Dozno9 on Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 13:51:01
had it been racist abuse to an 'ordinary' fellow fuck all would have happen

Yep. I await the John Terry case with anticipation.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 15:38:37
Liam Stacey hs been jailed for 56 days.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17515992

OTT punishment. Waste of time and money.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: DRS on Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 16:04:20
Why? If you are found guilty of the same in the street you get the same.About time the little cunts started seeing you will get punished


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 16:31:09
Not always DRS

http://www.journallive.co.uk/north-east-news/breaking-news/2012/02/27/sunderland-fan-given-suspended-jail-term-for-twitter-racist-abuse-72703-30417745/

I think a similar punishment would have done. Public humiliation, presumably disowned by university and a conviction. He was a vile scrote, no doubts, but is it really worth the time and effort of prison.

He's been made an example of.

If he'd been hounding the family directly, then in my opinion that is different.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Dozno9 on Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 18:11:07
I don't think it's that this is OTT I think it's a case of others being treated too leniently. If he verbally abused those people in the street in the same way as he wrote he would (should) go down and the fact that it was written makes no difference.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Batch on Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 18:17:39
Really, you think the gaols have enough room for every vile person that makes a racist or sick joke?



Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Abrahammer on Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 18:54:02
The prick should have been outcast not jailed


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: ghanimah on Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 19:01:35
I don't think it's that this is OTT I think it's a case of others being treated too leniently. If he verbally abused those people in the street in the same way as he wrote he would (should) go down and the fact that it was written makes no difference.

Of course it's OTT. If we jailed every idiot who made nasty vile comments, and I say this as someone who experiences verbal abuse on a regular basis due to a wheelchair-bound wife, we would run out of prison spaces in 5 minutes flat.

And is prison really the right option? I can't speak for Fabrice but I would imagine, as an educated guess, that given he's 23, had a heart attack and nearly died that what some prick said on a Twitter account comes quite low down on his list of priorities. Why waste prison space?


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 19:05:01
Regardless of the sentencing decision, the prick didn't think he'd done anything wrong. He will now.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 19:14:57
Regardless of the sentencing decision, the prick didn't think he'd done anything wrong. He will now.

Which makes me think perhaps it wasn't so OTT after all.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Dozno9 on Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 19:16:20
Of course it's OTT. If we jailed every idiot who made nasty vile comments, and I say this as someone who experiences verbal abuse on a regular basis due to a wheelchair-bound wife, we would run out of prison spaces in 5 minutes flat.

And is prison really the right option? I can't speak for Fabrice but I would imagine, as an educated guess, that given he's 23, had a heart attack and nearly died that what some prick said on a Twitter account comes quite low down on his list of priorities. Why waste prison space?

Jails may have or may not have room and it's down to the courts to sentence accordingly and whether Muamba wants him put away is irrelevant the crime was reported by others not Muamba. The comments were deemed to be inciting racial hatred and that carries a custodial sentence which as a grown man he needs to realise.

He made different racist comments to a few people with time lag inbetween and attempted to pervert the course of justice by lying about his Twitter account being taken over. Pretty serious stuff.

He did a crime which carries the possibility of a custodial sentence and that's what he got if you think that racial hatred should not carry a custodial sentence than that's a different matter but the Police and the courts simply carried through on the law.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Posh Red on Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 19:23:33
Regardless of the sentencing decision, the prick didn't think he'd done anything wrong. He will now.

Fair point, if he had actually taken some responsibility for what he said & apologised I'm sure he would have had a more lenient sentence.

My other half was in court today, and some bloke who was found guilty swore at the judge as he left court. The judge asked for his to be brought back down later & added another 28 days onto his sentence.   

Based on that 56 days doesn't necessarily seem quite so harsh.



Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Flashheart on Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 19:28:56
Regardless of the sentencing decision, the prick didn't think he'd done anything wrong. He will now.

but did he actually say that?

I can't find it anywhere


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Simon Pieman on Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 19:41:10
Told people they need to learn how to take a joke, then tried to weasel out of it by claiming his account had been hacked.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: otanswell on Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 21:18:57
He wont serve the full term, i expect he will be out in 28 days


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Notts red on Tuesday, March 27, 2012, 21:29:44
He wont serve the full term, i expect he will be out in 28 days
If he behaves himself, if he acts up he will get his comeuppance and probably do the full 56 days.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: SuggWillSugg MBE on Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 02:08:12
He's also got a face a disciplinary at his uni.

That could fuck him up way more than the jail term.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: nevillew on Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 07:12:21
He's also got a face a disciplinary at his uni.

That could fuck him up way more than the jail term.

I guess he could miss, what, 2 or 3 lectures in that time ?


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 07:30:34
High profile case results in the courts making an example out of him. How ridiculously cringeworthy it must be to seriously dent your future prospects by being jailed for comments made on a social network website.

Let this be a lesson to all the people out there who consider themselves to be a bit of a 'lads lad' and think they are immune of this sort of stuff.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: DMR on Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 07:49:12
2 months in prison for a throwaway line or 2 on twitter is a joke. He clearly didn't REALLY mean it, like most jokes/bile/ranting on the net.

I'd be doing life by these rules!


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: ron dodgers on Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 14:01:52
I guess he could miss, what, 2 or 3 lectures in that time ?
Nah - he's doing Biology that's a few labs thrown in as well


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 18:10:33
2 months in prison for a throwaway line or 2 on twitter is a joke. He clearly didn't REALLY mean it, like most jokes/bile/ranting on the net.

I'd be doing life by these rules!

Would that be a bad thing  ;)


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Spencer_White on Thursday, March 29, 2012, 19:14:00
Is it fair that they absolutely hammer a few people to deter others? You know who is going to get hammered because its all over the media before they are sentenced. Its a show.

Is that justice?


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: Posh Red on Thursday, March 29, 2012, 19:28:02
Is it fair that they absolutely hammer a few people to deter others?

Exactly, I know the situation is different but remember that Tony Adams once got a prison sentence for drink driving, whereas most people will lose their licence & get a hefty fine.

He was made an example of because it was high profile, and his case was just before Christmas when the old bill have a crack down.


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: bigbobjoylove on Tuesday, May 15, 2012, 15:13:51
On a related note, this popped up on the Beeb, not seen it elsewhere

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-wiltshire-18070031

Swindon Town Football Club will test all their players for heart defects before the start of next season.

There have been calls for all sportspeople to be screened after the collapse of Bolton Wanderers' Fabrice Muamba on the pitch earlier this year.

Swindon captain Paul Caddis said players at all levels of the game should consider being tested.

He said: "If your body's going to go through a lot of hard work and fatigue then why not?"

Muamba, 24, suffered a cardiac arrest during a game against Tottenham Hotspur on 17 March. He was in hospital for a month before being discharged.

"It's a shame something like this ticks it all off. Maybe it's time for us to act, really, doing these kind of tests," Caddis said.

"It could happen to anybody, it doesn't matter if professional footballers work a lot harder than semi-pros. Fabrice Muamba was only playing the first 25 minutes of a high intensity game.

"If he'd got a check-up then they might have been able to point to what exactly was wrong with him.

"I think everybody should do it, whether you're a footballer or tennis player."

Alison Cox, who founded the charity Cardiac Risk in the Young, said that following the collapse of Muamba its screening programme had received a year's worth of bookings in one month.

She said: "That gives an idea of the impact of what happened to Fabrice and how, in that one massive incident that has such wide public attention, it's raised the awareness beyond anything.

"A number of different conditions all come under the same umbrella, but if they're not diagnosed they can cause sudden death."


Title: Re: fabrice muamba
Post by: walcot red on Wednesday, August 15, 2012, 20:22:44
Has retired from professional football.