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Sorry if this has already been done, but to me it seems Hamann seems to be the universal choice. Taking only these three in to consideration, who would be your choice?

My head says Burley but my heart says Di Cannio

Daddy or chips?

Head: Hamann (followed by Burley, then Di Canio)
Heart: Hamann (followed by Di Canio, then Burley)

The truth is, for different reasons, I'd be OK with any one of these.  But Hamann the clear winner for me.

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Have not engaged with the di Canio debate at all, but I believe that, while Hamann will probabnly not have the X Factor that di Canio might have (just on footballing prowess), he has huge playing experience, is well-known, and should have all the connections we need.  I like the mix of 'big name' with feet on the ground and a bit of coaching experience, which is actually what we probably need just now.  I have a good friend who is intimately involved with Southampton, whose view is best avoid Burley.....but then he may have got his life together?  but for me he is definitely third in the pecking order of the three.

I've gone with Hamann.

Not in a gay way may I add!

Head: Hamann
Heart Di Canio

Hamann it is then

If gay is your way, that's OK.

Hamann all the way for me.

The German followed by the Scot with the Itie coming up the rear.... :eek:

Hamann, Di Canio, Burley. In that order. But it says something when I won't be too disappointed with my third choice.

Hamann ticks the most boxes for me.

50-50 DiCanio Hamann

Ditto to this

Of the 3, Hamann, followed by Burley. Would rather have Malpas back than Di Canio or Rix. And no, I don't want Malpas back

Last week Di Canio was everyone's choice. Then when it became apparent that Burley was interested he rocketed to the top of the charts. Now it's Hamann.

Who's next?

A friend of mine has "apparently" seen Robbie Savage in Swindon this morning. Smells like bullshit to me.

Hamann

I think its a case of (Hamann or Di Canio) or Burley,  i.e. exciting v experienced.

Di Canio v Hamann = Hamann
Hamann V Burley = Hamann
Di Canio v Burley = tough call. Happy with either.

Hamann for me although i won't be disappointed if Burley of Di Canio get offered the job

In true AV style:

1: Hamann
2: Burley

I have used my democratic right not to allocate my third choice.

Oh deep joy

another fucking poll

I feel your pain Fred.

That's a very good point. The longer we wait, the better the candidates get. Maybe that's why the delay - by mid-June we'll have Wenger and Ferguson vying for the job.

Who did you vote for.

I've voted Hammann, but in all honesty all three would be sound impressive choices.  Di Canio and Hammann are somewhat unknown quantities but I'd love to see us take the gamble on one, especially if they're going to pull on their football boots!

What a great situation this is to be in.  Gone are the days of scrabbling round only to appoint the likes of Iffy Onoura or Maurice!!

Has Andy King applied?   :toocool:

  >:(

How come Buckle hasn`t been talked to...he is just about to get a team out of the league we are heading for...?

ever thought he didnt apply ?

Has to be Hamann and if his wage demands are too high then give it to Burley. Quite obvious from Di Canio's agent he will simply fuck off at the first available opportunity. Hamann will likely do the same but you feel he would at least give us a few good years first.

I think you have to assume that if they are successful any of them fuck off at the earliest better oppertunity.

Yes, but it's generally considered polite to at least not advertise that BEFORE you've even got the job

Have to agree with this. PDC wouldn't be the first Italian to change sides half way through something.

Also it it would help us on our way to a set of managers from countries we have been at war with? Argentina, Germany....

of those 3 burely,hamann,di canio in that order.
not sure a rookie is what we need, but would be reasonably happy with hamann if burely doesn't get it.

Its coin flip between Hamann and Burley for me, I have change my mind numerous times but its Burley right now. 

I can’t see any logical reason for appointing PDC, I think it will be a total train wreck if he gets the job.

Hamann for me.

Pretty much agree with this, although I'm not sure PdC would be a total trainwreck, just think it's a riskier call than the other two and without a significant potential reason he'd do better.

What's the betting that whoever we choose, one or both of the remaining candidates will manage a team in league 2 next season, who will piss all over us.

That's my concern and maybe the concern of the board.

We need mystic DV to tell us who will be best. This is why Burley is number 3 for me. He's a known quantity, we know what he can do and he's also allegedly got a drinking problem - which I don't like one bit if true.

Hamann and PDC could be brilliant and could also be shit. I like the idea of the potential and the unknown. Truth be told, I think I'll be happy with either of the 3, only least so with Burley and a bit concerned at the potential for a lefty war if Dux got the job.

I have a feeling that PDC will end up managing Brentford next season.

I think this is not any one from three, but any two from three - De Canio and the German, one fiery one calm, both class.

Dunno why Hamman is so far ahead or what his popularity is based upon,why do people think he'll be a good manager?

Im not overly excited by any of them if im honest,but im sure they'll be fine.

Di Canio for me.

Would be happy with Hamann but don't want Burley.

Didi Hamann.

George Burley is a washed up has been manager who is still living off the good work he did with Ipswich 10 years ago, he's done naff all since apart from drink, rub players up the wrong way and get sacked. He's a very old school manager who the game has left behind.

Paolo Di Canio is a passionate man but from what I understand after retiring in 2008 he hasnt had any involvement in the game since, not only would he be new to management but new to a non playing role full stop. Whilst I've stayed well clear of the debates on Di Canio's views they will put people off going but will encourage casual fans to go as they used to watch Di Canio on tv.

Hamann was a top class player, no frills, simple football, pass and move. He's won alot of major competitions and plays on through broken bones. That sort of career will earn the players respect right from the start and shows the sort of character and mentality Hamann would *hopefully* install around the club and into our players. Since retiring he's kept himself in english football both with Franchise and now with Leicester, he's done all his badges. Plus personally I like the though of some german style efficiency at our club. He has always come across in interviews as a very well thought, articulate person to. He'll have alot of links as well. Played for Dagliesh at Newcastle, played for Liverpool under Houllier. So thats potential 'links' with Liverpool and Aston Villa. He also played atManchester City, so will probably still know some of the back room staff there. Now obviously Sven and Leicester which will hopefully help with loan players.

The other thing with Hamann is he will have to succeed here, both for us and for himself. If he fails then goes for other managers job will they give him a chance? one managers job at Swindon and he failed. Where as if a George Burley comes here and does a bad job and gets the sack, the next job he applies for he'll still have 'manager of the year 2001' at the top of his CV and people will still be taken in by the fact he once was a decent manager!

Naturally (!!) I havent seen the CVs of the candidates or been apart of the interview process but to me Hamann is such a no brainer, he's the best candidate on every level and ticks alot of the boxes alot of us wanted ticking.

I said my choice was Ian Culverhouse, he obviously has a Swindon link and has been in coaching a few years longer than Hamann but other than that Hamann ticks all the same boxes Culverhouse does. Decent player, has his badges, stayed in the game after retirement, worked his way up in the back room.

He'd be new, fresh and doesnt have the stigma of failure attached to him.

To be fair on Burley there is not much you can do with Scotland!!

Good post though DV.

Thought you'd given up on STFC dan

Burley for me 1st and then Hamann is a fair way ahead of PDC.

I think Burley could turn us into a good side, he only really failed in managment at Palace, before then he did fairly well with every team he managed.

And on his side with the Palace failure....he was not allowed to bring in his own backroom staff they were forced upon him by the Palace chairman.....mitigating circumstances I feel.

Excellent post.  I wouldn't have stuck the knife in to the other two to quite the same degree (your serious reservations are milder in my book), but your points in favour of Hamann are spot on.

What Ardiles said.

and some, fucking good post dvinho, maybe you should get the job!!!

Sorry DV but I have to point out a few things.......

Firstly, Burley done a great job at Derby and turned them from relegation fodder to the play-offs.

He also done a great job at Hearts before falling out with Romanov over team selection, Not to mention that he did quite well at Southampton too and got them into the play-offs.

The only club he has managed where he has failed was at Palace.

Burley has the track record. They others don't. Guess the 82 votes for Di Canio and Hamman are the 80% bollocks on the forum!

So what happend to scotland national?

Look at the players available to him, not exactly like Scotland were in the late 70's early 80's.

Fed up with misleading internet gossip, I thought I'd head for where it's at - the East Midlands - for some genuine investigative work.  Would it shed any light?

Leicester Mercury today quoted their Chief Exec as saying he knew nothing about the Hamann speculation other than what he'd read in the papers. Mmmm.

 I also had a drive around the city but there were no signs of impending hysteria:  I saw precisely no "Don't go Didi" messages scrawled on scabby bedsheets hung out of first floor windows.

Possible breakthrough - there were some traffic jams, within just a few miles of the Walkers stadium, so maybe the good folk were off to hold an impromptu farewell do for their favourite German.  It was raining though and there was a big Tesco Extra thing nearby, they could just have been going to do the weekly shop.

Tomorrow, Italy or the pub, depending....

Assuming we need a manager with a track record... didn't do Hoddle, Macari, McMahon, and Wise much harm... and Poyet/Howe are very recent 'rookies' who have had success. For a league 2 club, giving a respected ex-player a chance isn't as risky as West Ham doing the same thing in the Championship

agree with this.


dv's post is detailed but writing burley off like that is wrong i think.managers having success in every job are few and far between.those that are wont be applying for stfc.
the points about hamman are good though.

You can't include Wise in that as he managed Millwall to an FA cup final and a place in the UEFA cup, thats a bit of a track record in my book.

Danny Wilson took us from the lower end of League One to the Play Offs? so?

George Burley took two big clubs with huge budgets to the play offs and both teams failed to get promoted. Billy Davies took Derby up the following year.

His record with Scotland was awful even by Scotland standards and his spell at Palace was abysmal.

He also left Hearts and Derby after falling out with the owners, which is never a good thing.

Was he manager there for the whole season, i wasn't sure?

Anyway, there you go - first season as a rookie and he almost wins the FA cup. I wish people would stop insisting on an experienced gaffer

He didnt win the FA Cup!

As for experience - just look at the other nights results. Swansea and Reading. Brendan Rogers and Brain McDermott!

good point.both served in the youth systems for years,where it appears bodin who has a similar history was written off by the board and most fans.

This is what I'm thinking. It seems younger managers have more in common with the modern day footballer and are able to get more out of them. I think the days of the manager who man-manages his team in a friendly and empathetic manner, and gets respect because he's one of them, are here. Hasbeens are ten a penny, new potential talent isn't.

true.

Rogers was head hunted from Chelsea by Reading. McDermott got lucky in the fact he was put in as caretaker and proved himself very well to get the job.

If Bodin had taken over after Wilson and had 13 games to prove himself rather than 2 pointless-we're-already-down games he might have swayed some opinions.

It's a shame that Iffy got fired out as manager of Ethiopia, cos if di Canio gets the job he could have set up an ace pre season tour of Abyssinia (open goal here for Nev).  Fascist Mussolini fan Italians are always welcome in Addis Ababa.

Wrong......Brendan Rodgers was head hunted by Watford and managed them for a while before leaving them to manage Reading.

point still stands.

It just got me thinking, how many new young managers have failed of late?

Rogers, McDermott, Di Matteo, Martinez, Souza, Robinson, Robins, Dickov, Adkins, Parkinson, Poyet, Bradbury, Clarke are some of the relatively successful ones, are there any failures? Roy Keane perhaps, but he needs at least £50m to have a reasonable stab at it, so perhaps it isn't a fair comparison.

I was going to say Ince, but he did well to keep Macclesfield up in the very beginning, and won L2 with Franchise... i'd say he hasn't been a roaring success though overall.

For every Rogers there is a John Barnes, for every Poyet there is a Gianfranco Zola and for every Martinez there is a Leroy Rosenior.

Swings and roundabouts on how successful a newly retired footballer becoming a good manager.

I would also not totally agree with Dickov being a success in all honesty.

Southgate and Ian Baraclough are two I can think of as rookie failiures

oldham were shit.......but better than us!

Point taken and agreed with but I wouldnt call him a success! :D

Haha brilliant. I even read that in a welsh accent :)

agreed

Same here

 :) I could have saved you the bother, though.

Hamann is my first choice by some distance. I'm getting more put off of Di Canio every day. Burley would OK but i'd still prefer Hamann.

Hamman for me. Wouldn't be happy with Di Canio. I think he would fuck off after 5 minutes. He's a nut job.

But as always, I would be more than happy if he proved me wrong.

It's Hamann for me. Di Canio would need a good number 2, a bit like Poyet with Wise.

Yep, my views too. We need an element of stability after last season's debacle. If we did appoint Di Canio and West Ham have a crap start to the season we could be hearing speculation about him joining them for months and months when we really need to focus on ourselves and getting back up.

Absolutely.

Not overly concerned regarding experience/inexperience but how a players career could potentially shape their managerial career - Hamann is preferable to Di Canio for the exact reasons DV detailed at length.

didi fo me

I'm in the majority, Hamann. I don't share Di Canio's political idealogy but what concerns me the most is how just how long can we keep hold of this guy? My gut feeling is not very long.

Is a couple of months of 'bragging' that we've got Paolo Di Canio as manager worth it? I don't think so. I'm realistic, I know any 'big' name is a gamble but I don't want to "keep crossing that bridge" every time we appoint a manager.

Cue the appointment of George Burley.

If Buckle's poachable and Rovers get him I'll be fucked off, would rate him streets ahead of this shortlist.

So if the Adver is to believed its a choice between an alcoholic old school manager who shags his players wives - allegedly, a drink driving gamblaholic or a fascist nutjob.
I have no inside and its just a gut feeling ( and its a big gut ) but I still wouldn't be surprised if The Fridge came back.

Why is everyone so hot and stiff for DH all of a sudden? An OK player with a bit of coaching experience at a massively underachieving championship club. How long is the list of really good coaches that made shit managers now? Anyone want Brian Kidd as manager? What about John Gorman? Or Ray Wilkins? No? But that bloke that helped get Leicester nearly to the play-offs? Fuck yes the jobs yours.

This being blinded by the glamour of a name when someone with the managerial record of Burley is up for the job leaves me really staggered.

He's not Di Canio.

Lumps old boy, it's time to face up to it and accept the truth...


...Germaine Greer is not going to be our next manager, I'm sorry.

Lumps its all about opinions and personal preference.No one knows how it will turn out but the way you make everyone out to be total twats for not sharing your opinion is a bit off mate.

Initially I was well chuffed that Burley was interested in the job, so I rang my Southampton supporting mate, and he said avoid Burley like the plague. Make of that what you want, but I trust his opinion.

With the other names in the hat, I'm not convinced Di Canio is the best available option.

But if they do choose him, I think they should be applauded on making a brave decision.

Funnily enough I spoke to my Saints supporting mate and he said pretty much the complete opposite. Opinions, like arseholes....

Burley would be a good solid appointment. So was Sturrock. So was Malpas (ahem). So was Wilson. Where are we? Back in League Two... Let's think outside the box.

Yeah i've read up on Burley a bit and i'm less keen than I was when it first came to light he was in the running.

We were promoted under Sturrock, and nearly promoted under Wilson. A little bit of luck and we could have been just relegated from the championship :)

We'll ignore Malpas.

Burley isn't my first choice, but I won't be disappointed by him.

Neither would I Batch. I think my point is that we've had respected steady managers... Let's get people talking about Swindon Town's ambition.

People want Hamann or Di Canio ahead of Burley, so what!?! It doesn't mean that everyone will say "oh for fuck sake" if Burley was to be appointed.

...Well, Spencer might :)

Hamann is my choice, but have changed my mind several times as they all have different advantages

No you're right, I suppose he's not. I think Southgate, as mentioned by town23, was a success though, just unfairly treated.

To add another, Hughton was. What about Coleman?

Any reason why you quoted yourself there? Or did you just do because you could :hmmm:

^

Quite possibly for the same reason you quoted something from me with no text in it.

Some internet gubbins. I.E. I don't know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Southampton_F.C._managers

Did he say why? On results he looks, Hoddle aside, like he performed better than anyone since 1949. Do you think his opinion could be coloured by the situation they were in (relegated from the prem for the first time under Redknapp and not bouncing back first time like they might have hoped).

All of those did pretty well for us, except Malpas who had no real record as a manager, (one shit season with 'Well aside).

I'd prefer it to be Hammann, based on no logic whatsoever.

No point arguing about the pros and cons of each candidate - everyone of the candidates could end up being total shite and turn out more Malpas than Hoddle.

At least if its Di Canio the meltdown would involve a massive, emotional and very public breakdown.

If its Burley it would involve whiskey and a stream of mumbling incomprehensible interviews.

If its Hammann, it would involve an efficient, punctual, well drilled press conference.

was told tonight it's di canio.mind, i was told it was trollope a few weeks ago.

Mark Scott has just tweeted ' Just found out who the new swindon boss is' so if the players now know it cannot be long....

assuming he isnt winding us up of course.

Please let me clutch at straws the suspense is killing me. Not really - just bored with it now

Is Mark Scott known as a wind up merchant?

oh bugger i just wrote this in another thread, oops

No his tweets are not the most exciting = bless him.

Nor are mine....

Whereas mine are... no hang on they are dull as hell

looks like it was a wind up: Markscott28 Mark Scott
Would like to congratulate swindonds very mathew veron for getting his promotion to maintenance manger there you go guys ;) #breakingnews

Or he just lost his nerve.... dunno, don't really care anymore as long as we get 1 of the 3.

success in management at lower league level is the background that I believe to be relevant to our own future success...but hey if that was our priority we wouldn't be STFC.

If Matthew Vernon is who I think it is, it was a poor wind-up but at least it wasn't inaccurate...

i think the debates on the new boss have shown that the job in getting it right is a hard one.there are numerous posts for and against all the front running candidates with plenty of valid reasons why an individual should or shouldn't get the job.
the fact is that there is no magic formula in getting it right. experienced managers,rookies,ex players,youth coaches etc have all had success at clubs up and down the land, and likewise those have failed too at other clubs.
luck has to come into it when appointing a manager.i hope we get our share with this next one....

Indeed luck does play a part. Best the board can do is make an informed decision on what they know at the time.