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Title: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 07:14:39 Sheffield Wednesday
Played: 27 Points: 36 Points Per Game: 1.33 Points Left Available: 57 Points Needed for 52: 16 Points Per Game Required: 0.84 Carlisle United Played: 26 Points: 35 Points Per Game: 1.35 Points Left Available: 60 Points Needed for 52: 17 Points Per Game Required: 0.85 Brentford Played: 28 Points: 35 Points Per Game: 1.25 Points Left Available: 54 Points Needed for 52: 17 Points Per Game Required: 0.94 Exeter City Played: 28 Points: 35 Points Per Game: 1.25 Points Left Available: 54 Points Needed for 52: 17 Points Per Game Required: 0.94 Yeovil Town Played: 28 Points: 33 Points Per Game: 1.18 Points Left Available: 54 Points Needed for 52: 19 Points Per Game Required: 1.06 Plymouth Argyle Played: 30 Points: 33 Points Per Game: 1.10 Points Left Available: 48 Points Needed for 52: 19 Points Per Game Required: 1.19 Notts County Played: 25 Points: 32 Points Per Game: 1.28 Points Left Available: 63 Points Needed for 52: 20 Points Per Game Required: 0.95 Tranmere Rovers Played: 26 Points: 31 Points Per Game: 1.19 Points Left Available: 60 Points Needed for 52: 21 Points Per Game Required: 1.05 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Swindon Town Played: 30 Points: 31 Points Per Game: 1.03 Points Left Available: 48 Points Needed for 52: 21 Points Per Game Required: 1.31 Walsall Played: 29 Points: 27 Points Per Game: 0.93 Points Left Available: 51 Points Required for 52: 25 Points Per Game Required: 1.47 Bristol Rovers Played: 29 Points: 27 Points Per Game: 0.93 Points Left Available: 51 Points Needed for 52: 25 Points Per Game Required: 1.47 Dagenham & Redbridge Played : 26 Points: 25 Points Per Game: 0.96 Points Left Available: 60 Points Needed for 52: 27 Points Per Game Required: 1.35 Dont think any of that will tell us anything we didnt already know. The current bottom 4 and Plymouth are the only 5 times currently not on track to make it to 52 points. Plymouth need to improve their PPG by 0.09, Swindon need to improve by 0.28, Walsall and Rovers by 0.54 and Daggers by 0.39. I've only included the current bottom half of the table but Colchester currently sit 10th with only 38 points. A decent run of form will see a team shoot up the table. Walsall have at least improved recently, if their run continues through another 3/4/5 games and they could be above water. Us and Plymouth obviously played the most but some teams games in hand must fall against each other. I'll keep this updated maybe add a form guide and remaining fixtures. If we win all our remaining games we will get to 79 points which would be 3 less than last season! The average amount of points for 6th place is 76 points (lowest 71, highest 81) so for those deluded happy clappers amongst us (I'm looking at you Wilson!) we can still make the play offs! If you dont like this thread, dont see the point blah blah blah dont bother reading it or posting in it, thanks Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 07:18:37 :)
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: RedRag on Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 07:38:46 Good post
An updated version ought to be on our dressing room door till we do reach 76 points (avg 6th place). We may be able to take it down with a game to spare. Easy. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: london_red on Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 08:48:44 Nice post DV, shows the size of the task ahead.
Just checked the fixtures, and looks like the start of March when we've got Walsall (H), Plymouth (A), and Daggers (H) in consecutive games is going to be crucial. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Bogus Dave on Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 08:51:23 You gonna put this on football forums dv?
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: leefer on Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 09:16:01 Sheffield Wednesday Played: 27 Points: 36 Points Per Game: 1.33 Points Left Available: 57 Points Needed for 52: 16 Points Per Game Required: 0.84 Carlisle United Played: 26 Points: 35 Points Per Game: 1.35 Points Left Available: 60 Points Needed for 52: 17 Points Per Game Required: 0.85 Brentford Played: 28 Points: 35 Points Per Game: 1.25 Points Left Available: 54 Points Needed for 52: 17 Points Per Game Required: 0.94 Exeter City Played: 28 Points: 35 Points Per Game: 1.25 Points Left Available: 54 Points Needed for 52: 17 Points Per Game Required: 0.94 Yeovil Town Played: 28 Points: 33 Points Per Game: 1.18 Points Left Available: 54 Points Needed for 52: 19 Points Per Game Required: 1.06 Plymouth Argyle Played: 30 Points: 33 Points Per Game: 1.10 Points Left Available: 48 Points Needed for 52: 19 Points Per Game Required: 1.19 Notts County Played: 25 Points: 32 Points Per Game: 1.28 Points Left Available: 63 Points Needed for 52: 20 Points Per Game Required: 0.95 Tranmere Rovers Played: 26 Points: 31 Points Per Game: 1.19 Points Left Available: 60 Points Needed for 52: 21 Points Per Game Required: 1.05 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Swindon Town Played: 30 Points: 31 Points Per Game: 1.03 Points Left Available: 48 Points Needed for 52: 21 Points Per Game Required: 1.31 Walsall Played: 29 Points: 27 Points Per Game: 0.93 Points Left Available: 51 Points Required for 52: 25 Points Per Game Required: 1.47 Bristol Rovers Played: 29 Points: 27 Points Per Game: 0.93 Points Left Available: 51 Points Needed for 52: 25 Points Per Game Required: 1.47 Dagenham & Redbridge Played : 26 Points: 25 Points Per Game: 0.96 Points Left Available: 60 Points Needed for 52: 27 Points Per Game Required: 1.35 Dont think any of that will tell us anything we didnt already know. The current bottom 4 and Plymouth are the only 5 times currently not on track to make it to 52 points. Plymouth need to improve their PPG by 0.09, Swindon need to improve by 0.28, Walsall and Rovers by 0.54 and Daggers by 0.39. I've only included the current bottom half of the table but Colchester currently sit 10th with only 38 points. A decent run of form will see a team shoot up the table. Walsall have at least improved recently, if their run continues through another 3/4/5 games and they could be above water. Us and Plymouth obviously played the most but some teams games in hand must fall against each other. I'll keep this updated maybe add a form guide and remaining fixtures. If we win all our remaining games we will get to 79 points which would be 3 less than last season! The average amount of points for 6th place is 76 points (lowest 71, highest 81) so for those deluded happy clappers amongst us (I'm looking at you Wilson!) we can still make the play offs! If you dont like this thread, dont see the point blah blah blah dont bother reading it or posting in it, thanks Like it.............draws are no good then. Indeed a good post DV. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: pauld on Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 09:20:13 Good work DV. We're pretty much fucked, aren't we?
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Arriba on Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 10:02:23 i dont think with wilson in charge we will do it.a new manager gives us a chance at least.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Berniman on Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 10:12:06 Proper fucked, before ze germans get here!
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: JanAageisGod on Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 10:23:24 Mmm, we still have to go to Brighton, Southampton and Huddersfield. At the moment, you have to write off us getting anything from those. I will for the purposes of this argument, because I am fed up.
So that more or less leaves us with 13 games to get 21 points. That's seven wins in 13 games, or five wins and a lot of draws. Even if 50 is enough, which it often is, that's still 19 points. It needs at least five more wins and some degree of resilience. Stick a fork in it I'm afraid. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Bob's Orange on Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 11:00:26 Mmm, we still have to go to Brighton, Southampton and Huddersfield. At the moment, you have to write off us getting anything from those. I will for the purposes of this argument, because I am fed up. So that more or less leaves us with 13 games to get 21 points. That's seven wins in 13 games, or five wins and a lot of draws. Even if 50 is enough, which it often is, that's still 19 points. It needs at least five more wins and some degree of resilience. Stick a fork in it I'm afraid. Don't ask Triseros to do that, he's hung his up. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 14:33:24 You gonna put this on football forums dv? As you're probably aware I dont really post there anymore. I'm not going to make an exception with this, it'll give the Brighton fans wanking material and they opportunity to ask the question as to whether we miss Greer. Crstig will then make a dull boring comment about nothing and then it will some how turn into a who is bigger Southampton or Sheffield Wednesday thread, yawn. Feel free to steal it, if you want it over there though. Like it.............draws are no good then. Indeed a good post DV. I wouldnt say draws are no good, as they are worth a point - but draws on their own are no good. It doesnt take a genius to work out 1 point a game isnt 1.31 points a game, which would mean 3 points every two games (ish), we need to win exactly 7 of our last 16 games to get to 52. We have won 7 all season thus far all with what's his name upfront as well. Good work DV. We're pretty much fucked, aren't we? No, we arent yet! but the problem is I cant see where our next win is coming from (I'm sure im not alone in this) and Wilson has quite frankly lost the plot. Walsall looked dead and buried a few weeks ago, couple of wins they are closing the gap but more importantly have momentum. Mmm, we still have to go to Brighton, Southampton and Huddersfield. At the moment, you have to write off us getting anything from those. I will for the purposes of this argument, because I am fed up. I dunno, they are the type of games we have done better in this season. I dont think those games are the problem, alot of the teams around the bottom will still have to play those teams and very few will pick up any points. Its the game left against the teams around us that worry me more - because if they do beat us, its point we've lost out on (obviously) and points they gain on us (again obvious I know) As London Red said, the run of Walsall, Daggers and Plymouth could be vital. At least 7 points is vital from that run. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 16:39:11 We're utterly fucked. Going down I reckon.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 17:29:10 With four going down we are fucked....
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: flammableBen on Thursday, February 10, 2011, 18:37:29 Anybody going to go through our remaining games and work out how many points they think we'll actually get?
Title: Re: Wilson Out Post by: Ralphy on Thursday, February 10, 2011, 18:39:44 Ah there it is.
We need 53 points though, not 52. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Thursday, February 10, 2011, 19:03:45 Find me a team thats been relegated from L1 with 52 points Ralphy.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Thursday, February 10, 2011, 19:14:38 Actually we did in 1982, so did Wimbledon with 53. Exception to the rule.
52 will see us safe. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Ralphy on Thursday, February 10, 2011, 19:39:02 Regardless, I can't see where these 21 points are gonna come from ??!
April looks like the key month with 4 home games. We also have to play Walsall and Daggers at home in March. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: thedarkprince on Thursday, February 10, 2011, 20:35:46 We're gonna walk it. Play-offs here we come!
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Lumps on Thursday, February 10, 2011, 21:05:19 We're gonna walk it. Play-offs here we come! They don't have relegation play-offs anymore you know. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: JanAageisGod on Friday, February 11, 2011, 11:14:49 We're 13/8 with Coral to go down. A price as big as a house.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: cheltred69 on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 11:17:01 We're 13/8 with Coral to go down. A price as big as a house. So more likely to stay up than go down then. That's confidence! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 17:36:12 Up to 1.4 points needed per game to reach 52 points.
Current points per game this season : 1 Points per game last 10 games: 0.6 Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: woolster on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 18:49:08 Up to 1.4 points needed per game to reach 52 points. looking on the OS fixture lists, according to them we have won 9 league 1 games and the charlton home playoff making that a total of 10 games since that wonderfull 3 nil day out at leeds ,( not counting cup games) that is shockingCurrent points per game this season : 1 Points per game last 10 games: 0.6 Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: shady on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 18:49:59 Up to 1.4 points needed per game to reach 52 points. Current points per game this season : 1 Points per game last 10 games: 0.6 Now that is very sobering indeed :( Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 18:51:24 The important thing is its still do-able. Now is not the time to throw in the towel, especially with Plymouth as much in the mix as we are.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: woolster on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 18:53:27 The important thing is its still do-able. Now is not the time to throw in the towel, especially with Plymouth as much in the mix as we are. [/quote this is true, but when does the do-able start Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 18:55:53 It might not Woolster. But I'm hoping against all that has gone before that we will hit form at the right time. Blind faith.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: joteddyred on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 18:56:31 looking on the OS fixture lists, according to them we have won 9 league 1 games and the charlton home playoff making that a total of 10 games since that wonderfull 3 nil day out at leeds ,( not counting cup games) that is shocking Exactly. As pointed out by myself and others previously, this shite run isn't just a blip that has surfaced over the last few months, it actually started back in April - 10 bloody months ago! Quote The important thing is its still do-able. Now is not the time to throw in the towel, especially with Plymouth as much in the mix as we are. I agree Batch, but can you honestly see where a win is going to come from? At around 4.20pm this afternoon for the first time in weeks I genuinely believed that we were going to go on and win the game. Inevitably though, we were unable to even hold on for a point. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Benzel on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 18:58:09 Plymouth are in dire form. Worse than us.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: pauld on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 18:58:34 It might not Woolster. But I'm hoping against all that has gone before that we will hit form at the right time. Blind faith. That's about all we've got left isn't it?I've spent all season revising my hopes/expectations downwards. I'm now scraping the barrel with "probably won't finish bottom". And I'm resigned to the possibility of having to revisit that before Easter Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: joteddyred on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 19:02:43 Plymouth are in dire form. Worse than us. The problem being is that Dagenham & Redbridge are on a reasonable run. They've picked up 10 points out of the last 15 and have 4 games in hand. If they win 2 of them, they're above us, which will still leave us in the relegation places even if Plymouth continue to freefall. We're wholly reliant on the teams around us now, which is never a good thing. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: london_red on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 19:07:09 was about to make a similar point. just had a look at the table and unless with the games in hand think Tranmere and Notts will be tough to catch. Looks like 2 out of us Plymouth and Daggers the most likely imo.
As mentioned earlier in this thread we've got them both in consecutive weeks coming up, really got to take 4 points minimum from those two or it'll really be a struggle. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 19:07:39 The problem being is that Dagenham & Redbridge are on a reasonable run. They've picked up 10 points out of the last 15 and have 4 games in hand. They've peaked too early. I'll be gutted to finish below the daggers. Not because of any sense of right, superiority or history. But because our budget should mean we have a miles better team. Actually I'm glad it doesn't work like that or we'd never have had our season in the sun. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 19:17:40 At the turn of the year I was working on the basis that Walsall and D&R were as good as down with Rovers and Plymouth on an even bigger downward spiral than us.
Now not only could we go down but we could even go down as bottom side. We are totally and royally in the shit. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Berniman on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 19:21:58 We're fucked!
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 19:24:38 The biggest problem lies at the CG.
http://www.footstats.co.uk/index.cfm?task=formguide look at the home form from the last 6 games Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: joteddyred on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 19:30:42 Plymouth and Bristol Rovers have picked up exactly the same number of points from the last 6 games as us, which is 3. Difference being they've managed to get a win rather than 3 draws (and we all know who Bristol Rover's was against). The other team who are on exactly the same run of results are Sheff Weds, although they've got games in hand and a bit of a cushion anyway.
Not sure what that tells us other than Plymouth and Bristol Rovers are equally shit, but have both managed to beat us this season. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 21:22:57 Up to 1.4 points needed per game to reach 52 points. Current points per game this season : 1 Points per game last 10 games: 0.6 Thinking a little more about the 1.4 points per game stat... We have 15 games still to play, and would achieve 1.4 point per game average with a sequence of W-W-D-L-L, repeated three times. That's how tall an order we are now facing. To put it further in to perspective, the team who has most closely averaged 1.4 points per game so far over the course of this season is Leyton Orient (with 40 points from 28 games). They are in 11th place and have a goal difference of +8 vs our -12. If we are going to stay up, the change in our fortunes will need to be dramatic...and pretty much instant. One or two more games, I think, before I stop kidding myself we can still do this. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 21:58:24 Exeter City
Played: 29 Points: 38 Points Per Game: 1.31 Points Left Available: 51 Points Needed for 52: 14 Points Per Game Required: 0.82 Sheffield Wednesday Played: 28 Points: 36 Points Per Game: 1.29 Points Left Available: 54 Points Needed for 52: 16 Points Per Game Required: 0.89 Brentford Played: 29 Points: 36 Points Per Game: 1.24 Points Left Available: 51 Points Needed for 52: 16 Points Per Game Required: 0.94 Carlisle United Played: 27 Points: 35 Points Per Game: 1.30 Points Left Available: 57 Points Needed for 52: 17 Points Per Game Required: 0.89 Tranmere Rovers Played: 27 Points: 34 Points Per Game: 1.26 Points Left Available: 57 Points Needed for 52: 18 Points Per Game Required: 0.95 Yeovil Town Played: 29 Points: 33 Points Per Game: 1.14 Points Left Available: 51 Points Needed for 52: 19 Points Per Game Required: 1.12 Plymouth Argyle Played: 31 Points: 33 Points Per Game: 1.07 Points Left Available: 45 Points Needed for 52: 19 Points Per Game Required: 1.27 Notts County Played: 26 Points: 32 Points Per Game: 1.23 Points Left Available: 60 Points Needed for 52: 20 Points Per Game Required: 1.00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Swindon Town Played: 31 Points: 31 Points Per Game: 1.00 Points Left Available: 45 Points Needed for 52: 21 Points Per Game Required: 1.40 Dagenham & Redbridge Played : 27 Points: 28 Points Per Game: 1.04 Points Left Available: 57 Points Needed for 52: 24 Points Per Game Required: 1.26 Walsall Played: 30 Points: 27 Points Per Game: 0.90 Points Left Available: 48 Points Required for 52: 25 Points Per Game Required: 1.56 Bristol Rovers Played: 30 Points: 27 Points Per Game: 0.90 Points Left Available: 48 Points Needed for 52: 25 Points Per Game Required: 1.56 Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 22:12:30 We have 15 games still to play, and would achieve 1.4 point per game average with a sequence of W-W-D-L-L, repeated three times. That's how tall an order we are now facing. Jesus, really, w-w-d-l-l. Ouch. Maybe the total will be significantly less than 52. Hopefully. [url width=123 height=117]http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l62/yorky_2006/clutchingstraws.jpg[/url] Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: mrverve on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 22:18:49 Oh bloody hell this countdown takes me back two years ago on the FF site.
We have to go and do what we did two years ago, I remember we lost away at Colchester on the Tuesday then to Leeds away on the Saturday. We were 4 points adrift at that stage then we beat Southend 3-0 on the Tuesday, beat Hereford at home on the Saturday then the following Tuesday went to Northampton and won 4-3 in a game where I was shitting myself towards the end. All of a sudden in 10 days we went from being 4 points adrift to being a couple of points clear with a much healthier goal difference. Also that year Northampton came from nowhere and got relegated after they had an abysmal last 7 games I think. It normally happens, a team that looks relatively safe with 8-10 games to go then suddenly hits a bad run. I remember Sheffield Utd got relegated from the PL in 2007 after being 10 points clear at the end of March. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 22:20:11 Aye, Brighton after the lost to us - looked absolutely dead and fucking buried that year as well.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Samdy Gray on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 22:25:01 ...then the following Tuesday went to Northampton and won 4-3 in a game where I was shitting myself towards the end. That game was immense. End to end stuff. DRS even got his cock out. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: mrverve on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 22:26:58 Yeah we were woeful that season. I remember we played Hartlepool at the end of February that year, it was a dreadful game and they nicked a 1-0 right at the end and that last minute cracker from Millwall at the den in the last seconds a couple of weeks prior to the Hartlepool game. That season I must of aged about 10 years.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: mrverve on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 22:28:19 That game was immense. End to end stuff. DRS even got his cock out. Looking back now that game and the last minute equaliser at Brunton Park was so crucial. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 22:34:25 The difference between that team and this team is the ability to pull something out of no where!
A team with Simon Cox in it was always going to score enough goals to get enough points to stay up. Even if he got fuck all service he'd create his own chances with a bit of magic. Don't think we have a player with that in his locker now at all. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: mrverve on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 22:49:12 Agreed however this team has more quality overall than that team (even though they haven't showed it enough this season) Cox was superb that season, without him we would have relegated.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: leefer on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 22:54:46 Fuck me our last match at Sheff Wednesday could be a relegation 6 pointer...they are in freefall.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: tans on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 23:29:41 You mean tranmere? There last game of the season arent they?
Sheff Wed is April time lee Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: leefer on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 23:34:06 You mean tranmere? There last game of the season arent they? Sheff Wed is April time lee Yep your right....second last away match. Could be a good away day that if we can grab some points beforehand. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: tans on Saturday, February 12, 2011, 23:37:13 Its in my diary that one. Its a bank holiday too iirc.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Ralphy on Sunday, February 13, 2011, 18:02:30 Just noticed that Walsall are at home to Daggers on tuesday night. Whats the best outcome of that for us? The obvious answer is a draw but with Daggers having 4 games in hand over us, maybe a Walsall win would be better ???
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: pauld on Sunday, February 13, 2011, 19:29:47 Just noticed that Walsall are at home to Daggers on tuesday night. Whats the best outcome of that for us? The obvious answer is a draw but with Daggers having 4 games in hand over us, maybe a Walsall win would be better ??? Think the best outcome is suspicions aroused over unusual betting patterns in build-up to game, then ref abandons game in 2nd half after multiple obvious match-fixing attempts, both teams docked 5 points as a result. Then it turns out that the unusual betting patterns were actually Peter Ridsdale trying one-last ditch attempt to save Plymouth by betting next month's players' wages on a series of unlikely but lucrative spread bets, so Plymouth get docked points too. And Yeovil somehow get dragged in as well. That would be the best outcome for us. Not very likely, I'll grant you, but it would help us out enormouslyTitle: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: woolster on Sunday, February 13, 2011, 19:34:20 Think the best outcome is suspicions aroused over unusual betting patterns in build-up to game, then ref abandons game in 2nd half after multiple obvious match-fixing attempts, both teams docked 5 points as a result. Then it turns out that the unusual betting patterns were actually Peter Ridsdale trying one-last ditch attempt to save Plymouth by betting next month's players' wages on a series of unlikely but lucrative spread bets, so Plymouth get docked points too. And Yeovil somehow get dragged in as well. That would be the best outcome for us. Not very likely, I'll grant you, but it would help us out enormously :D Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Ralphy on Sunday, February 13, 2011, 20:14:56 Reg will know this, whats our worse run of form ever ??
We've now picked up 3 points from a possible 27 over the past 9 games, has there been worse ? Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, February 13, 2011, 20:31:06 Reg will know this, whats our worse run of form ever ?? We've now picked up 3 points from a possible 27 over the past 9 games, has there been worse ? In league terms, I'd look at 32/33, which was a bit of a mare Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Ralphy on Sunday, February 13, 2011, 20:35:11 In league terms, I'd look at 32/33, which was a bit of a mare Just looked. Conceded 105 goals and only got 29 points! It was 2 points for a win then though. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, February 13, 2011, 20:40:09 Just looked. Conceded 105 goals and only got 29 points! It was 2 points for a win then though. We did get the odd win though, 05/06 saw us go 11 games without a win between beating Yeovil and Bristol City, a run which more or less sealed our fate, but of course we still had more points that season at the same stage than this. I am only doing Div 3 here though. 12 games between wins in 55/56 looks favourite for Div 3... Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Spencer_White on Sunday, February 13, 2011, 20:47:39 4 points this week then!?
YOU REDS!!!!! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Sunday, February 13, 2011, 20:50:10 We seriously need to start supporting aswell though but saying that the club need to do something aswell.
Next saturday could be our lowest league crowd this season and now is not the time we need a dead atmosphere. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: crystall Tips on Sunday, February 13, 2011, 20:52:00 4 points this week then!? I wish there was a shop which sold them - points that is Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, February 14, 2011, 17:01:51 Agreed however this team has more quality overall than that team (even though they haven't showed it enough this season) Cox was superb that season, without him we would have relegated. Agreed Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Bob's Orange on Monday, February 14, 2011, 17:05:07 Walsall v Daggers and
Rovers v B'muff tomorrow. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Wednesday, February 16, 2011, 06:30:20 Carlisle United
Played: 28 Points: 38 Points Per Game: 1.36 Points Left Available: 54 Points Needed for 52: 14 Points Per Game Required: 0.78 Exeter City Played: 29 Points: 38 Points Per Game: 1.31 Points Left Available: 51 Points Needed for 52: 14 Points Per Game Required: 0.82 Tranmere Rovers Played: 28 Points: 37 Points Per Game: 1.32 Points Left Available: 54 Points Needed for 52: 15 Points Per Game Required: 0.83 Sheffield Wednesday Played: 29 Points: 36 Points Per Game: 1.24 Points Left Available: 51 Points Needed for 52: 16 Points Per Game Required: 0.94 Brentford Played: 29 Points: 36 Points Per Game: 1.24 Points Left Available: 51 Points Needed for 52: 16 Points Per Game Required: 0.94 Notts County Played: 27 Points: 35 Points Per Game: 1.30 Points Left Available: 57 Points Needed for 52: 17 Points Per Game Required: 0.89 Plymouth Argyle Played: 31 Points: 33 Points Per Game: 1.07 Points Left Available: 45 Points Needed for 52: 19 Points Per Game Required: 1.27 Yeovil Town Played: 30 Points: 33 Points Per Game: 1.10 Points Left Available: 48 Points Needed for 52: 19 Points Per Game Required: 1.19 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Swindon Town Played: 31 Points: 31 Points Per Game: 1.00 Points Left Available: 45 Points Needed for 52: 21 Points Per Game Required: 1.40 Walsall Played: 31 Points: 30 Points Per Game: 0.97 Points Left Available: 45 Points Required for 52: 22 Points Per Game Required: 1.47 Dagenham & Redbridge Played : 28 Points: 28 Points Per Game: 1.00 Points Left Available: 54 Points Needed for 52: 24 Points Per Game Required: 1.33 Bristol Rovers Played: 30 Points: 27 Points Per Game: 0.90 Points Left Available: 48 Points Needed for 52: 25 Points Per Game Required: 1.56 Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Saturday, February 19, 2011, 17:48:07 Carlisle United
Played: 29 Points: 41 Points Per Game: 1.41 Points Left Available: 51 Points Needed for 52: 11 Points Per Game Required: 0.65 Exeter City Played: 30 Points: 41 Points Per Game: 1.37 Points Left Available: 48 Points Needed for 52: 11 Points Per Game Required: 0.69 Hartlepool United Played: 30 Points: 40 Points Per Game: 1.33 Points Left Available: 48 Points Needed for 52: 12 Points Per Game Required: 0.75 Tranmere Rovers Played: 29 Points: 37 Points Per Game: 1.28 Points Left Available: 51 Points Needed for 52: 15 Points Per Game Required: 0.88 Sheffield Wednesday Played: 29 Points: 36 Points Per Game: 1.24 Points Left Available: 51 Points Needed for 52: 16 Points Per Game Required: 0.94 Brentford Played: 29 Points: 36 Points Per Game: 1.24 Points Left Available: 51 Points Needed for 52: 16 Points Per Game Required: 0.94 Notts County Played: 27 Points: 35 Points Per Game: 1.30 Points Left Available: 57 Points Needed for 52: 17 Points Per Game Required: 0.89 Plymouth Argyle Played: 31 Points: 33 Points Per Game: 1.07 Points Left Available: 45 Points Needed for 52: 19 Points Per Game Required: 1.27 Yeovil Town Played: 30 Points: 33 Points Per Game: 1.10 Points Left Available: 48 Points Needed for 52: 19 Points Per Game Required: 1.19 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Swindon Town Played: 32 Points: 31 Points Per Game: 0.97 Points Left Available: 42 Points Needed for 52: 21 Points Per Game Required: 1.50 Walsall Played: 32 Points: 30 Points Per Game: 0.94 Points Left Available: 42 Points Required for 52: 22 Points Per Game Required: 1.57 Bristol Rovers Played: 31 Points: 30 Points Per Game: 0.97 Points Left Available: 45 Points Needed for 52: 22 Points Per Game Required: 1.47 Dagenham & Redbridge Played : 28 Points: 28 Points Per Game: 1.00 Points Left Available: 54 Points Needed for 52: 24 Points Per Game Required: 1.33 There, we just need to pick up half our remaining points ::) Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, February 19, 2011, 18:18:23 I think today was the last game we could afford to fuck up and still maintain a realistic chance of staying up...we now must win all home games left, and pick up the odd draw on the road, unless an unlikely away win comes from somewhere.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Saturday, February 19, 2011, 18:24:09 1.5 points per game is 9th place form roughly.
So we need upper mid table from from now until the end of the season to stay up, not happening is it. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: BANGKOK RED on Saturday, February 19, 2011, 18:29:33 1.5 points per game is 9th place form roughly. So we need upper mid table from from now until the end of the season to stay up, not happening is it. we need 20th place form dv Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: pauld on Saturday, February 19, 2011, 18:30:15 Bizarrely I can see us getting something at Saints or Wendies. Just because we're so bloody perverse. Beyond that, I'd struggle to see where we're going to get a win from, never mind several
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, February 19, 2011, 18:31:44 1.5 points per game is 9th place form roughly. So we need upper mid table from from now until the end of the season to stay up, not happening is it. At the moment it's more likely we'll finish 24th, in Div 3 for the first time since it's formation in 1958. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: woolster on Saturday, February 19, 2011, 18:36:03 Bizarrely I can see us getting something at Saints or Wendies. Just because we're so bloody perverse. Beyond that, I'd struggle to see where we're going to get a win from, never mind several we have done well against the saints, but think we will get a right good spanking there,might get something at wendies now they got that useless cunt megson at the helmTitle: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Saturday, February 19, 2011, 18:41:02 we need 20th place form dv No, Yeovil in 20th place currently average 1.1 points per game. If we replicated that (20th place form) for the last 14 games of our season - that only be another 15.4 (!!) points which added to our 31 would see a total of 46.4 which would see us relegated with ease. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: alanmayes on Saturday, February 19, 2011, 18:42:13 At the moment it's more likely we'll finish 24th, in Div 3 for the first time since it's formation in 1958. The Daggers have 2 home games coming up this week against Huddersfield and Bournemouth. If they were to get something from those games,there's a real possibility that this could start to become a reality. It doesn't bare thinking about. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: woolster on Saturday, February 19, 2011, 18:43:00 No, Yeovil in 20th place currently average 1.1 points per game. If we replicated that (20th place form) for the last 14 games of our season - that only be another 15.4 (!!) points which added to our 31 would see a total of 46.4 which would see us relegated with ease. :clap: :headhurts:Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, February 19, 2011, 18:45:36 The Daggers have 2 home games coming up this week against Huddersfield and Bournemouth. If they were to get something from those games,there's a real possibility that this could start to become a reality. It doesn't bare thinking about. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter that much if you're 24th or 21st, you still end up in L2, let's just hope that our Board have learnt something form the mistakes made this season, and so avoid replicating them next year. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: alanmayes on Saturday, February 19, 2011, 18:58:49 let's just hope that our Board have learnt something form the mistakes made this season, and so avoid replicating them next year. They're very intelligent men,so i'm sure they will realise the mistakes that have been made. However,the scars and hurt of relegation will run very deep. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: sonicyouth on Saturday, February 19, 2011, 21:05:04 DV's maths makes me sad.
So here are some kittens [url width=482 height=327]http://aasarjeant.edublogs.org/files/2010/09/kittens1.jpg[/url] Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: joteddyred on Saturday, February 19, 2011, 21:09:19 DV's maths makes me sad. So here are some kittens [url width=482 height=327]http://aasarjeant.edublogs.org/files/2010/09/kittens1.jpg[/url] And very cute kittens they are :) Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Batch on Saturday, February 19, 2011, 21:16:32 DV's maths makes me sad. So here is a kitten [url width=500 height=375]http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb363/simonvandenbos/funny-pictures-drunk-kitten.jpg[/url] Look like puss must be a season ticket holder. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: mrverve on Saturday, February 19, 2011, 21:46:47 I still believe that we can amass enough points from the teams that we have still to play.
The only problem that we are playing well and still losing. It's worrying. But it wouldn't surprise me if we go to St. Mary's and win. It really wouldn't. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: pauld on Saturday, February 19, 2011, 21:54:25 I still believe that we can amass enough points from the teams that we have still to play. We've gone from "Playing well*, did enough to win but only got a draw" to "Playing well*, should have got a draw but lost". That's more than worrying it's a downward spiral which we show no signs of getting out of.The only problem that we are playing well and still losing. It's worrying. *According to the manager/players/optimists We have 14 games left to get 20/21 points. Our record in the last 14 league games reads W2 D4 L8. That's 10 points. And we're getting worse. We're really going to have to go some to turn that round. Quote But it wouldn't surprise me if we go to St. Mary's and win. It really wouldn't. Despite the above nor me. But it still won't be enough to save us. Today says it all - we can talk all we like about the performance, whether we think it was good but didn't score or abysmal or somewhere in between, it's irrelevant. And it has been for a good few games now. We had to win. And we didn't. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Saturday, February 19, 2011, 21:56:19 Someone remind me what winning feels like again?
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: woolster on Saturday, February 19, 2011, 22:00:02 We've gone from "Playing well*, did enough to win but only got a draw" to "Playing well*, should have got a draw but lost". That's more than worrying it's a downward spiral which we show no signs of getting out of. best post of the day*According to the manager/players/optimists We have 14 games left to get 20/21 points. Our record in the last 14 league games reads W2 D4 L8. That's 10 points. And we're getting worse. We're really going to have to go some to turn that round.Despite the above nor me. But it still won't be enough to save us. Today says it all - we can talk all we like about the performance, whether we think it was good but didn't score or abysmal or somewhere in between, it's irrelevant. And it has been for a good few games now. We had to win. And we didn't. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Lumps on Saturday, February 19, 2011, 22:02:15 We have 14 games left to get 20/21 points. Our record in the last 14 league games reads W2 D4 L8. That's 10 points. And that sequence includes the run of four league games, from the Wednesday game to the Charlton game, when managed 2 wins and a draw. In the last 10 games we've lost 7 and managed three lousy draws. Why the hell anyone is thinking we'll go away to Saints and get a win is beyond me. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: pauld on Saturday, February 19, 2011, 22:08:52 Why the hell anyone is thinking we'll go away to Saints and get a win is beyond me. Sheer fucking perversity. And because football's like that - does just enough to raise your hopes so it can piss itself laughing at you for the next 6 weeks as it smashes them into tiny tiny pieces again.Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Saturday, February 19, 2011, 22:11:17 And that sequence includes the run of four league games, from the Wednesday game to the Charlton game, when managed 2 wins and a draw. In the last 10 games we've lost 7 and managed three lousy draws. Why the hell anyone is thinking we'll go away to Saints and get a win is beyond me. Because it's a game of football..11 v 11..a two horse race and all that..you never know. No one thought we would win at Charllton. I'm not saying that I think we will win but to suggest there's absolutely no chance as you seem to be doing is ridiculous.. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: pauld on Saturday, February 19, 2011, 22:13:03 Because it's a game of football..11 v 11..a two horse race and all that..you never know. No one thought we would win at Charllton. I'm not saying that I think we will win but to suggest there's absolutely no chance as you seem to be doing is ridiculous.. Even though I'm one of those who think we might, where we sit right now suggesting there's absolutely no chance is on a par with suggesting we might do in the ridiculous stakesTitle: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: reeves4england on Saturday, February 19, 2011, 22:14:14 Sheer fucking perversity. And because football's like that - does just enough to raise your hopes so it can piss itself laughing at you for the next 6 weeks as it smashes them into tiny tiny pieces again. Yep. Charlton away and every game that's followed being a case in point.Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Spencer_White on Sunday, February 20, 2011, 10:05:29 Quite often the rediculous does happen in football.
If it didnt, no one would bother watching. It would be crap. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: crystall Tips on Sunday, February 20, 2011, 11:08:53 I guess we will win again this season and it's going to creep up on us like a great big goat.
Don't think we will see the goat at St Mary's though. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, February 20, 2011, 11:24:21 I guess we will win again this season and it's going to creep up on us like a great big goat. Don't think we will see the goat at St Mary's though. I'd say it's conceivable that we wont win again this season....this is the weakest Div 3 side since its formation in 58, and it's got a fair bit of competition for that accolade. Our two previous relegations from Div 3, both contained 11 game winless runs , yet still had more points after 32 games. The 81/82 even managed 52 points, but still went down. The 05/06 side achieved our lowest ever Div 3 position....this side is on course for 24th. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Bob's Orange on Sunday, February 20, 2011, 12:30:53 Since Charlton away we've played these teams.
Oldham (a) Yeovil (h) Rovers (a) Tranmere (h) Exeter (h) Bournemouth (a) Rochdale (h) Orient (a) Colchester (a) Carlisle (h) Apart from Bournemouth who are probably exceeding expectations, none of those teams are pulling up any trees. I would have realistically expected at the very least 15 points from those set of fixtures, we achieved a frankly feeble 3 points. Another thing I have noticed from these 10 games is the lack of bookings that we have had, apart from Rose being sent off against Yeovil, we've had 6 bookings, and no bookings in the last 3 games, all of which we've lost. Now I am not suggesting that bookings win matches, but more a lack of fight on the players part. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, February 20, 2011, 14:01:07 Since Charlton away we've played these teams. Oldham (a) Yeovil (h) Rovers (a) Tranmere (h) Exeter (h) Bournemouth (a) Rochdale (h) Orient (a) Colchester (a) Carlisle (h) Apart from Bournemouth who are probably exceeding expectations, none of those teams are pulling up any trees. I would have realistically expected at the very least 15 points from those set of fixtures, we achieved a frankly feeble 3 points. Another thing I have noticed from these 10 games is the lack of bookings that we have had, apart from Rose being sent off against Yeovil, we've had 6 bookings, and no bookings in the last 3 games, all of which we've lost. Now I am not suggesting that bookings win matches, but more a lack of fight on the players part. No problem with lack of bookings....stupid red cards have already cost us this season. The lack of fight is because of the transitory nature of the game today. This group of players have more or less thrown in the towel on this season, and have probably instructed agents to look for new clubs. Those that stay will still get paid the same next season, I don't suppose they have get relegated take pay cut clauses written into their contracts. Perhaps something the Board mighty consider in future. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Sunday, February 20, 2011, 14:02:05 I'd rather the board considered not getting fucking relegated in truth.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, February 20, 2011, 14:19:58 I'd rather the board considered not getting fucking relegated in truth. I can understand why the Board thought sticking with Wilson the best option, but it's failed, I thought we would start to pick up the odd win, once Jan was out the way....we've not come close. Unfortunately, we haven't even got anyone around the club, who we could turn to to do a holding job.....Zippy isn't an option, and there's no long serving player like a Steve Fletcher. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Sunday, February 20, 2011, 14:21:33 Why isnt Zippy an option?
Plenty of out of work managers about. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, February 20, 2011, 14:28:48 Why isnt Zippy an option? Plenty of out of work managers about. Zippy's experience of management consists of a none too successful stint at Bath City, he'd have us trying to play football, not what is required at the moment. Think it goes against what Fitton believes they're trying to do, just to get in a firefighter, the young players strategy will go on even when we're in Div 4. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: BANGKOK RED on Sunday, February 20, 2011, 14:30:32 Get Paul Sturrock in until the end of the season, he'd do the no-nonsense job we need.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Sunday, February 20, 2011, 14:33:22 Zippy's experience of management consists of a none too successful stint at Bath City, he'd have us trying to play football, not what is required at the moment. Think it goes against what Fitton believes they're trying to do, just to get in a firefighter, the young players strategy will go on even when we're in Div 4. I never said he'd be a good option - but he's still an option. I think right now I'd happily have Budgie in charge if he was still here. Dont think Sturrock will leave Southend to come here for a few weeks! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: BANGKOK RED on Sunday, February 20, 2011, 14:35:34 I thought Sturrock was out of work..... My bad.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: STFC-4-LIFE on Sunday, February 20, 2011, 14:37:31 Gary Johnson should come in tomorrow!
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Sunday, February 20, 2011, 14:41:18 Would you shut the fuck up and fuck off if he does?
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: carbonwhite on Sunday, February 20, 2011, 14:43:03 Gary Johnson should come in tomorrow! not going to happen :)Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, February 20, 2011, 14:54:17 Gary Johnson should come in tomorrow! When Johnson inherited the mess left by Tinnion at Shitty, they won 2 of their next 11 games, including 8 straight defeats, before he sorted it out. Kind of gives an insight into how difficult it can be to turn around a sinking ship. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Sunday, February 20, 2011, 15:02:41 ...and then they finished 9th.
Further proof we should have got rid of Wilson months ago. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Costanza on Sunday, February 20, 2011, 15:11:07 Further proof we should have got rid of Wilson months ago. It's a good example as to why Wilson should have maybe been sacked months ago, it's not proof though. Over the years plenty of managers have been installed to 'rescue' a season and have failed miserably. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Sunday, February 20, 2011, 15:15:41 Sorry, I was in STFC-4-THE-MOMENT mode.
No, of course its not proof. Just shows that sometimes a new manager takes a while to sort things out. As Bristol City are now an established Championship club I think its fair to say it all worked out in the end. It also shows a new manager isnt always an instant quick fix, we've stuck with Wilson so long that we need an instant quick (miracle) fix and we need it last week. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, February 20, 2011, 15:20:36 Sorry, I was in STFC-4-THE-MOMENT mode. No, of course its not proof. Just shows that sometimes a new manager takes a while to sort things out. As Bristol City are now an established Championship club I think its fair to say it all worked out in the end. It also shows a new manager isnt always an instant quick fix, we've stuck with Wilson so long that we need an instant quick (miracle) fix and we need it last week. I'm not sure any manager could revive our sack of shit....we've just got too many of the wrong sort of players for the league we're in. It could be argued that getting in a new fella, will give him a chance to start to prepare for next season, but I don't much like the idea of beginning next season with a boss tarnished by relegation. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Costanza on Sunday, February 20, 2011, 15:23:04 Sorry, I was in STFC-4-THE-MOMENT mode. No, of course its not proof. Just shows that sometimes a new manager takes a while to sort things out. As Bristol City are now an established Championship club I think its fair to say it all worked out in the end. It also shows a new manager isnt always an instant quick fix, we've stuck with Wilson so long that we need an instant quick (miracle) fix and we need it last week. A fair point. My concern is that too many people believe that if Wilson left, Gary Johnson's appointment would be a given. I'm not so sure it would be. What if Wilson goes and the club appoint internally? Or bring in a dour old schooler? Whenever Fitton's third appointment is made, it needs to be one that the fans can back without caution/concern. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Sunday, February 20, 2011, 15:25:35 I see where you are coming from but right about now I think the fans would back anyone who wasnt Wilson.
Sure, technically the hypothetical new manager would get us relegated but I dont think anyone would hold him responsible. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: woolster on Sunday, February 20, 2011, 15:26:59 i think with this group of players andy king could do a better job than wilson :hmmm:
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Sunday, February 20, 2011, 15:35:24 I see where you are coming from but right about now I think the fans would back anyone who wasnt Wilson. Sure, technically the hypothetical new manager would get us relegated but I dont think anyone would hold him responsible. A lot of our mongs, only see in black and white....they'll assume anyone other than Wilson will magically get the wins to keep us up...ergo when we're relegated he'll share in the flak. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: STFC-4-LIFE on Sunday, February 20, 2011, 15:37:55 A lot of our mongs, only see in black and white....they'll assume anyone other than Wilson will magically get the wins to keep us up...ergo when we're relegated he'll share in the flak. Don't agree with that, It wouldn't be the new manager's fault at all if we go down, We're going down with Wilson so what have we got to lose, There's no gamble to be made in my opinion, It's shit or bust! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DA15red on Monday, February 21, 2011, 13:50:00 Did tour of CG Sat and DW's targets for the rest of the season were pinned up in the changing room;
Carlisle 3 Southampton 1 Walsall 3 Plymouth 3 D&R 3 Huddersfield 0 Brighton 0 Exeter 3 Hartlepool 3 Brentford 1 Franchise 3 Notts C 3 Sheff W 1 Oldham 3 Tranmere 1 Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Monday, February 21, 2011, 13:51:49 he might as well add Unicorns and Leprechaun to his list.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: BANGKOK RED on Monday, February 21, 2011, 13:55:44 Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: london_red on Monday, February 21, 2011, 13:59:00 I'm as hopeful as anyone but aiming to win 9 of our last 15 when we'd won 7 in 31 so far is going a bit far.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Fred Elliot on Monday, February 21, 2011, 13:59:27 only get beat twice the remainder of the season ?
:Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: Deluded twat Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Monday, February 21, 2011, 14:06:27 are we certain its not points we play to give away?
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: JuliasEastoe on Monday, February 21, 2011, 14:32:27 Should we start looking at ourselves, The Swindon Supporter, for what is wrong with the club. There seemed to be little adverse reaction to the result on Saturday with a few " what a load of rubbish" chants, a bit of booing and a few whimperings of "Wilson Out!" Is this really all the town fans can muster, if we expect passion from the players perhaps it is time for us to show that passion to gather outside the Cecil Green suite and demand the change that only a newly appointed inspirational manager can bring.
On this site the consensus seems for Danny to go, the same for thisisswindon, however the BBC are under the impression that Danny is well supported by the fans, proof that the message is not getting thorough. The very least we should be doing is staying on after the final whistle and venting our feelings to the players, the directors and the manager instead of sneaking off early to get to the car park first, or to catch the latest episode of Strictly come fucking dancing. It is time for the Town fans to unite!!! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Ardiles on Monday, February 21, 2011, 14:42:02 The consensus you're looking for does not exist. Earlier in the season, there was a split between those fans who wanted DW out, and those who felt he could not have become a bad manager overnight and needed more time. (The first serious calls for a change were being made as early as November, I recall). I was in the latter camp, as were many of the regular posters here. With the benefit of hindsight, I now accept that giving DW more time has not borne the results we were hoping for.
However, while most fans do now accept that the club is not heading in the direction we would want, there is a new split - between those who want him out now and those who honestly believe that sacking a manager at this stage would serve little purpose. So there is still no consensus to unite around, I'm afraid. For what it's worth, I think we're just going to have to dig in and get on with this. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, February 21, 2011, 14:43:20 Should we start looking at ourselves, The Swindon Supporter, for what is wrong with the club. There seemed to be little adverse reaction to the result on Saturday with a few " what a load of rubbish" chants, a bit of booing and a few whimperings of "Wilson Out!" Is this really all the town fans can muster, if we expect passion from the players perhaps it is time for us to show that passion to gather outside the Cecil Green suite and demand the change that only a newly appointed inspirational manager can bring. On this site the consensus seems for Danny to go, the same for thisisswindon, however the BBC are under the impression that Danny is well supported by the fans, proof that the message is not getting thorough. The very least we should be doing is staying on after the final whistle and venting our feelings to the players, the directors and the manager instead of sneaking off early to get to the car park first, or to catch the latest episode of Strictly come fucking dancing. It is time for the Town fans to unite!!! Fans calling for the manager's head doesn't really have much of a record...it happened with John Trollope, we got Ken Beamish...it happened with McMahon we got Jimmy Quinn. The Board have made their decision....they're not idiots despite what some thisis mongs think, we're best off supporting everyone at the club. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: JuliasEastoe on Monday, February 21, 2011, 14:45:00 Fans calling for the manager's head doesn't really have much of a record...it happened with John Trollope, we got Ken Beamish...it happened with McMahon we got Jimmy Quinn. The Board have made their decision....they're not idiots despite what some thisis mongs think, we're best off supporting everyone at the club. Did not the sacking of Malpas bring about an immediate change! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, February 21, 2011, 14:57:23 Did not the sacking of Malpas bring about an immediate change! No, in fact the reverse....Malpas went for back to back cup defeats + wasting cash on Yinka. The 3 previous league games, we'd won 2 and drawn 1....we then didn't win for 8 games under Byrne. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Monday, February 21, 2011, 14:58:46 I think we know the board have made their decision to stick with Wilson.
If the god awful results and relegation to L2 hasnt changed their mind, the voices of us fans wont. They've backed their horse. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: flammableBen on Monday, February 21, 2011, 14:59:28 Oi DV you giant hobbit. How does one of the teams around the relegation zone getting deducted 10 points change the final target? Surely you should be looking at how much would normally get you to finish a place below?
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Sippo on Monday, February 21, 2011, 14:59:39 Lets back the team then
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Monday, February 21, 2011, 15:03:29 Carlisle United
Played: 29 Points: 41 Points Per Game: 1.41 Points Left Available: 51 Points Needed for 52: 11 Points Per Game Required: 0.65 Exeter City Played: 30 Points: 41 Points Per Game: 1.37 Points Left Available: 48 Points Needed for 52: 11 Points Per Game Required: 0.69 Hartlepool United Played: 30 Points: 40 Points Per Game: 1.33 Points Left Available: 48 Points Needed for 52: 12 Points Per Game Required: 0.75 Tranmere Rovers Played: 29 Points: 37 Points Per Game: 1.28 Points Left Available: 51 Points Needed for 52: 15 Points Per Game Required: 0.88 Sheffield Wednesday Played: 29 Points: 36 Points Per Game: 1.24 Points Left Available: 51 Points Needed for 52: 16 Points Per Game Required: 0.94 Brentford Played: 29 Points: 36 Points Per Game: 1.24 Points Left Available: 51 Points Needed for 52: 16 Points Per Game Required: 0.94 Notts County Played: 27 Points: 35 Points Per Game: 1.30 Points Left Available: 57 Points Needed for 52: 17 Points Per Game Required: 0.89 Yeovil Town Played: 30 Points: 33 Points Per Game: 1.10 Points Left Available: 48 Points Needed for 52: 19 Points Per Game Required: 1.19 Swindon Town Played: 32 Points: 31 Points Per Game: 0.97 Points Left Available: 42 Points Needed for 52: 21 Points Per Game Required: 1.50 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Walsall Played: 32 Points: 30 Points Per Game: 0.94 Points Left Available: 42 Points Required for 52: 22 Points Per Game Required: 1.57 Bristol Rovers Played: 31 Points: 30 Points Per Game: 0.97 Points Left Available: 45 Points Needed for 52: 22 Points Per Game Required: 1.47 Dagenham & Redbridge Played : 28 Points: 28 Points Per Game: 1.00 Points Left Available: 54 Points Needed for 52: 24 Points Per Game Required: 1.33 Plymouth Argyle Played: 31 Points: 23 (33) Points Per Game: 0.74 (1.07) Points Left Available: 45 Points Needed for 52: 29 Points Per Game Required: 1.93 We're still fucked. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Samdy Gray on Monday, February 21, 2011, 15:04:13 So with Plymouth out of the picture, this means we hope Dagenham lose their games in hand then we need to match Walsall's results for the rest of the season?
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Ralphy on Monday, February 21, 2011, 15:05:06 So with Plymouth out of the picture, this means we hope Dagenham lose their games in hand then we need to match Walsall's results for the rest of the season? Yeah easy ain't it ! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Samdy Gray on Monday, February 21, 2011, 15:06:28 Oh, and hope Rovers lose at Brentford tomorrow.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: jayohaitchenn on Monday, February 21, 2011, 15:07:43 Typical fucking Swindon. A slight glimmer of hope when I had convinced myself that all is lost. It's the hope that gets you :(
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: london_red on Monday, February 21, 2011, 15:20:00 Typical fucking Swindon. A slight glimmer of hope when I had convinced myself that all is lost. It's the hope that gets you :( This. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: JuliasEastoe on Monday, February 21, 2011, 15:33:52 No, in fact the reverse....Malpas went for back to back cup defeats + wasting cash on Yinka. The 3 previous league games, we'd won 2 and drawn 1....we then didn't win for 8 games under Byrne. How many defeats does this manager need to be sacked? Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: mrverve on Monday, February 21, 2011, 15:37:14 I think we know the board have made their decision to stick with Wilson. If the god awful results and relegation to L2 hasnt changed their mind, the voices of us fans wont. They've backed their horse. I honestly don't think he'll be here at the start of the new season whatever happens. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, February 21, 2011, 15:57:03 How many defeats does this manager need to be sacked? 46.Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: JuliasEastoe on Monday, February 21, 2011, 15:58:58 Latest relegation odds http://www.statto.com/football/odds/england/league-one/relegation (http://www.statto.com/football/odds/england/league-one/relegation) Bookies rating Daggers chances.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: sonicyouth on Monday, February 21, 2011, 16:00:00 Last time I checked the bookies had no bearing on events on the pitch.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: JuliasEastoe on Monday, February 21, 2011, 16:32:49 Last time I checked the bookies had no bearing on events on the pitch. Tell that to the Pakistan Cricket Board... Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Arriba on Monday, February 21, 2011, 19:57:00 Did tour of CG Sat and DW's targets for the rest of the season were pinned up in the changing room; Carlisle 3 Southampton 1 Walsall 3 Plymouth 3 D&R 3 Huddersfield 0 Brighton 0 Exeter 3 Hartlepool 3 Brentford 1 Franchise 3 Notts C 3 Sheff W 1 Oldham 3 Tranmere 1 i think this is bullshit. no manager would target nil points from a fixture.neither would he put what he thinks his team would get on a changing room wall. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Barnard on Monday, February 21, 2011, 20:09:03 Did tour of CG Sat and DW's targets for the rest of the season were pinned up in the changing room; Carlisle 3 Southampton 1 Walsall 3 Plymouth 3 D&R 3 Huddersfield 0 Brighton 0 Exeter 3 Hartlepool 3 Brentford 1 Franchise 3 Notts C 3 Sheff W 1 Oldham 3 Tranmere 1 Did you rob his sheet off the wall, or stand there mid tour noting it down? Like Arriba I can't see that Wilson's targets would have been up on the changing room wall, or that they would contain 0 points. "Don't worry about trying at Brighton lads, I've already conceded that we're gonna get dicked". Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, February 21, 2011, 20:11:44 "Don't worry about trying at Brighton lads, I've already conceded that we're gonna get dicked". Normal practice in that town....they've even got a player called Dicker. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: LucienSanchez on Monday, February 21, 2011, 20:53:01 I hope this is true and he has indeed referred to MK as 'Franchise'...
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DA15red on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 10:36:10 i think this is bullshit. no manager would target nil points from a fixture.neither would he put what he thinks his team would get on a changing room wall. I took a photo (see attached). We thought it was ridiculous to put 0 against games. They all start at 0-0 so the mind set would be all wrong for me if you dont put a point minimum against all games. Should be more realistic on the number of wins and budget for a few draws. Mind you he was targetting 62 points (see bottom of photo). Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 10:43:04 Holy shit.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Dozno9 on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 10:44:56 Holy shit. ExactlyTitle: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Benzel on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 10:54:33 Hey. He's 10 points more optimistic than us!
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Ardiles on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 10:56:49 Loving the fact that Franchise is up there as Franchise. They do understand.
THe psychology seems to be that the team thinks that not only are we going to stay up, but that we're going to stay up with some ease. Overconfident, or just confident? Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 10:58:44 At least it's evidence that the daft buggers have realised we're in a relegation battle, some of them were still going on about the PO's about 3 weeks ago.
The mere act of a manager saying we'll get x points, be it 3 or 0, doesn't mean it will happen, so is largely irrelevant. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Samdy Gray on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 10:59:05 Whilst you could argue expecting 0 points from a game is reasonable, you would think that Wilson would keep this to himself and the management team. Otherwise, what kind of mindset does that set for the players when they know they're not expected to get anything from the game.
Shocking. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 11:01:32 Whilst you could argue expecting 0 points from a game is reasonable, you would think that Wilson would keep this to himself and the management team. Otherwise, what kind of mindset does that set for the players when they know they're not expected to get anything from the game. Shocking. I really don't think it's an issue...we've just lost 8 games, where the manager probably chalked up 3 points as a prediction. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: sonicyouth on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 11:02:17 Loving the fact that Franchise is up there as Franchise. They do understand. The forum changes it to Franchise, that image says MK Dons? Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: joteddyred on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 11:04:02 Loving the fact that Franchise is up there as Franchise. They do understand. Not sure they do, it says Franchise on the image? Surprised they leave it up when people are touring around as well. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 11:05:55 Maybe it wasn't a tour and this has been leaked on purpose. mwahahahahah
I would of been pissed off with this pathetic prediction shit but i am not suprised with anything wilson does now. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: redbullzeye on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 11:21:25 And anyway who knows who wrote that up on the board. Could have been anyone with access to the room. Unless Danny's signed it of course.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 11:33:19 I took a photo (see attached). We thought it was ridiculous to put 0 against games. They all start at 0-0 so the mind set would be all wrong for me if you dont put a point minimum against all games. Should be more realistic on the number of wins and budget for a few draws. Mind you he was targetting 62 points (see bottom of photo). firstly i apologise for my earlier comment.i obviously got it wrong. this is absolute madness on wilsons part,hence why i thought it was bullshit. i can't believe a manager would do anything so stupid.if this was in his office for him and his staff then fair enough,but on display in the changing rooms i think is worrying. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Batch on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 11:44:37 This could all be part of the psychologists work, not necessarily Wilson's.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 11:50:29 Whoevers work it is i find it totally fucking stupid.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: tans on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 11:59:52 Indeed.
Motivate motivate! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 12:00:23 I can see the logic behind it, keeps the target of survival realistic whilst still highlighting that the cunts need to pull their fingers out.
I'm sure when we get to Huddersfield and Brighton away, then if we've met the targets then you could tell the team they're doing well, keep it up and get something, or if we haven't then they'll have to make up for other points dropped. The targets for games in groups of 3 seems like a nice way of breaking down the games. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DA15red on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 12:11:51 The target would seem to be the best case as the top right is blurred but I think it says points required per block of three = 5 so having lost on Saturday need to win against Saints or start a new sheet with new block of three to include Walsall!
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: pauld on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 12:59:18 If we do think it's genuine, shouldn't we remove it as it potentially gives other sides an indication of how we're likely to set up against them? Thinking mainly here of the ones where it says we're going for a draw. Although I suppose not knowing our targets hasn't proved a great obstacle to most sides being able to turn us over with comparative ease
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Barnard on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 13:00:38 I also apologise for implying this was bollocks and like Arriba, think Wilson has gone a bit mental.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 13:10:41 If we do think it's genuine, shouldn't we remove it as it potentially gives other sides an indication of how we're likely to set up against them? Thinking mainly here of the ones where it says we're going for a draw. Although I suppose not knowing our targets hasn't proved a great obstacle to most sides being able to turn us over with comparative ease i hope an adver hack reads it and questions wilson on it Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: mrverve on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 13:12:12 That type of thing would be in a lot of dressing rooms around the country. I don't see the problem with it.
As for it being down that we're not expecting to get anything from Brighton and Hudders, it could work in our favour if the players are more relaxed going into those games? I'm sure Danny Wilson and the team go in to every game trying to win, players can't do anything but. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 13:13:02 Storm in a tea cup. If there were loads of 3's you'd criticise them for being unrealistic.
The only act of stupidity is that they left the board out. I'm oddly reassured that the club acknowledge that there will be defeats against teams that are likely to beat us! Realism isn't it? They will still go into every game with the target of getting something from it, let us not go loco over this. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: wheretherealredsare on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 13:17:40 I think he should have put 0 for all of them, seeing as the team are more likely to get the opposite of what is required. Plus, it would allow them to be completely relaxed with no pressure whatsoever going into every game. Maybe even 15 x 3 + 31 = 76 ... possible play off position?
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: woolster on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 13:22:42 I think he should have put 0 for all of them, seeing as the team are more likely to get the opposite of what is required. Plus, it would allow them to be completely relaxed with no pressure whatsoever going into every game. Maybe even 15 x 3 + 31 = 76 ... possible play off position? and pigs some day will learn how to fly, lets take it one game at a time, starting at st marys :eek:Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Arriba on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 13:23:43 putting 0 against a team in your own division i find inexcusable.
we should be taking each game as it comes, and focusing solely on the next fixture.1 game at a time,not playing mystic meg to the squad. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: wheretherealredsare on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 13:29:46 Sorry, after Carlisle thats 14 x 3 + 31. Can we still do it on 73?
Oink, oink and away! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: wheretherealredsare on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 13:31:26 Anyway, he hasn't put 0. He's put / obviously expecting those games to be postponed.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: LucienSanchez on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 13:33:57 putting 0 against a team in your own division i find inexcusable. we should be taking each game as it comes, and focusing solely on the next fixture.1 game at a time,not playing mystic meg to the squad. Considering that "anyone can beat anyone" according to many, i agree. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 13:38:18 Anyway, he hasn't put 0. He's put / obviously expecting those games to be postponed. or "they're the hardest games let's concentrate on the easier ones and worry about them when we get there". There's enough to be having ago at Wilson about, but I think an out of context picture of a whiteboard is probably taking it a bit far. Maybe he'd been asking the squad what there targets were, where they were confident that they could pick up points? Classic managerial bollocks in any line of work that isn't it? - Getting a team to set and invest in their own targets. I'm more interested in what the mysterious text in the top left hand corner says. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Benzel on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 14:16:51 That definitely says TEF 2nd line from the bottom on the right.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: mrverve on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 14:22:22 Lets all blame Wilson, even for the trivial things. Its the way nowadays.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 14:23:39 I'm more interested in what the mysterious text in the top left hand corner says. I think it's Ogham script [url width=579 height=280]http://www.attymass.ie/historical_documents/misc_monuments/ogham_key_1.gif[/url] Probably says something like O'Brien's hamstrings are made of cheese. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 14:24:58 I think it says. "Can you remove tactical stuff off white board before visitor tours"
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 15:09:56 Whilst you could argue expecting 0 points from a game is reasonable, you would think that Wilson would keep this to himself and the management team. Otherwise, what kind of mindset does that set for the players when they know they're not expected to get anything from the game. Shocking. I dunno, in a roundabout way - it might help. If the players arent expect to win, then they might relax in a 'nothing to lose' kind of way and with the pressure off play a bit better? Your classic minnow vs top team nothing to lose so we relax and play well in the FA Cup. Then anything is an expected bonus and a confidence boost. Although, I suppose its not a one off game like the FA Cup and the pressure of relegation will still be on come Hudders and Brighton. Places we picked up 4 points from last season. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: LucienSanchez on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 15:14:07 yeah, but you can then argue the opposite; if they are expected to win, they may be too complacent...
i'm not sure i care either way Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: @MacPhlea on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 15:58:04 firstly i apologise for my earlier comment.i obviously got it wrong. this is absolute madness on wilsons part,hence why i thought it was bullshit. i can't believe a manager would do anything so stupid.if this was in his office for him and his staff then fair enough,but on display in the changing rooms i think is worrying. It's what's called realistic target setting for players - if Wilson had point 3 points against every game it wouldn't be a realistic target. If he put 0 against every game you'd be moaning. What it shows is Wilson's desire to achieve survival and the players to measure themselves against the managers expectation - clearly they would have got a bollocking for the carlisle result as it was well below expectation. Putting / against brighton and huddersfield shows that these are opportunities to pull the dropped points from an unexpected result and gives the players motivation to prove they can beat the managers predictions and also that the carlisle result doesn't mean we're guaranteed to go down... Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DA15red on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 16:11:26 or "they're the hardest games let's concentrate on the easier ones and worry about them when we get there". There's enough to be having ago at Wilson about, but I think an out of context picture of a whiteboard is probably taking it a bit far. Maybe he'd been asking the squad what there targets were, where they were confident that they could pick up points? Classic managerial bollocks in any line of work that isn't it? - Getting a team to set and invest in their own targets. I'm more interested in what the mysterious text in the top left hand corner says. Apparently that is some stuff that Lee Peacock left on the board when he left. Wishing squad well etc. that they have left up. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 18:50:53 Just had a look at the same thread I did from two seasons ago during our Malpas/Wilsons season
This is how we looked with 14 games left to play Swindon Town Played 32 points 33 - 19 points needed from 42 points left available. Currently: 1.03 PPG - Need: 1.36 PPG So, 2 seasons ago we were 2 points better off than we are this season. In our final 14 games we - Won 5 - Southend, Hereford, Northampton, Brighton, Bristol Rovers Drew 5 - Cheltenham, Franchise, Crewe, Carlisle, Peterborough Lost 4 - Colchester, Leeds, Yeovil, Leyton Orient 53 points! So this season we need to be looking at 6 wins, 4 draws and 4 defeats roughly from our remaining 14 games. Southampton (a) Walsall (h) Plymouth (a) Dagenham & Redbridge (h) Huddersfield (a) Brighton (a) Exeter (a) Hartlepool (h) Brentford (a) Franchise (h) Notts County (h) Sheffield Wednesday (a) Oldham (h) Tranmere (a) Cant see it myself, whilst I think our squad and most of our team is better than, that of 2 seasons ago the gulf in class upfront is HUGE. In truth I never felt in trouble that season. Simon Cox was a cut above anything else in that division and I always believed that a team with Simon Cox upfront (with help from Paynter of course) was always going to get enough goals to get enough points to survive. The Northampton 4-3 being case in point. Cox scored 12 goals in the final 14 games that season. Can you see any of our striker hitting 12? can you see all our strikers put together hitting 12? can you even see the whole team hitting 12 more goals this season? Our whole team has actually only scored 13 goals in our last 14 games and whats his name hit 4 of them!! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: LucienSanchez on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 18:58:11 i really think Obika could bag 10. Hopefully.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Langers on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 19:00:51 We really are fucked!
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 19:02:39 When we play Exeter in March (or whenever its been rearranged to), Jamie Cureton will have still scored more goals in his career than our entire squad - including substitutes - put together.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: chalkies_shorts on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 19:40:00 I think that the points on the sheet confirm how absolutely delusional manager and employees are - 2 defeats until the end of the season. JPM on today about how unlucky they have been. Get fucking real we're not unlucky we can't defend and we can't score and that toxic mix means you're fucked more often than not - particularly when you throw in a midfield that neither helps the defence or the forwards. Constantly making bad decisions does not make you unlucky - it makes you fucking bad. We are there for the taking, its whether the opposition are good enough on the day to do so and most of them appear to be.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 19:50:03 A picture is worth a thousand words. Do we seriously believe that Danny Wilson is the only manager in the Football League who does this? People are getting in an awful tizz over this.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Langers on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 20:19:42 Plymouth are one down to Brighton and Huddersfield are winning at Dagenham.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 20:40:02 A picture is worth a thousand words. Do we seriously believe that Danny Wilson is the only manager in the Football League who does this? People are getting in an awful tizz over this. No i imagine alot of managers say to the players i don't think you are good enough to get any points from the next game.Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: mrverve on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 20:40:47 Just had a look at the same thread I did from two seasons ago during our Malpas/Wilsons season This is how we looked with 14 games left to play Swindon Town Played 32 points 33 - 19 points needed from 42 points left available. Currently: 1.03 PPG - Need: 1.36 PPG So, 2 seasons ago we were 2 points better off than we are this season. In our final 14 games we - Won 5 - Southend, Hereford, Northampton, Brighton, Bristol Rovers Drew 5 - Cheltenham, Franchise, Crewe, Carlisle, Peterborough Lost 4 - Colchester, Leeds, Yeovil, Leyton Orient 53 points! So this season we need to be looking at 6 wins, 4 draws and 4 defeats roughly from our remaining 14 games. Southampton (a) Walsall (h) Plymouth (a) Dagenham & Redbridge (h) Huddersfield (a) Brighton (a) Exeter (a) Hartlepool (h) Brentford (a) Franchise (h) Notts County (h) Sheffield Wednesday (a) Oldham (h) Tranmere (a) Cant see it myself, whilst I think our squad and most of our team is better than, that of 2 seasons ago the gulf in class upfront is HUGE. In truth I never felt in trouble that season. Simon Cox was a cut above anything else in that division and I always believed that a team with Simon Cox upfront (with help from Paynter of course) was always going to get enough goals to get enough points to survive. The Northampton 4-3 being case in point. Cox scored 12 goals in the final 14 games that season. Can you see any of our striker hitting 12? can you see all our strikers put together hitting 12? can you even see the whole team hitting 12 more goals this season? Our whole team has actually only scored 13 goals in our last 14 games and whats his name hit 4 of them!! Do you remember Colchester away that season, we lost 3-2, it was the middle of March and were 4 points adrift of safety. I honestly thought we were gone. I feel more confident this time. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Costanza on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 20:43:46 No i imagine alot of managers say to the players i don't think you are good enough to get any points from the next game. When it rains, it pours eh DRS ;) Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 20:56:35 Do you remember Colchester away that season, we lost 3-2, it was the middle of March and were 4 points adrift of safety. I honestly thought we were gone. I feel more confident this time. Like I said, who is going to get the goals this season? Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: mrverve on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 21:02:27 Like I said, who is going to get the goals this season? I don't disagree with that point, Cox was the main reason we stayed up that year, but overall that team was dreadful. Hopefully Benyon and Obika will get the goals. We lost only 2 of our last 10 games that year, we have to go on the same kind of run again and with the games we have I honestly think we can. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: tans on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 21:03:19 Jordan pavett
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 21:04:56 Douglass is going to go on a spree.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: thedarkprince on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 21:22:48 Billy Bodin to come on as a sub, score a hattrick, and have a he-who-must-not-be-named goal scoring record before being sold in the summer for fuck all.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 21:39:39 Daggers get a point.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: thedarkprince on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 21:44:03 Sheff Wed, Brentford and Tranmere too. Not too bad a result really.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 21:46:52 All below Dv's point targets. got to be good
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: mrverve on Tuesday, February 22, 2011, 21:53:05 Brentford have scored. 2-1 against Tranmere.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: london_red on Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 08:02:28 In truth I never felt in trouble that season. Simon Cox was a cut above anything else in that division and I always believed that a team with Simon Cox upfront (with help from Paynter of course) was always going to get enough goals to get enough points to survive. The Northampton 4-3 being case in point. Cox scored 12 goals in the final 14 games that season. Can you see any of our striker hitting 12? can you see all our strikers put together hitting 12? can you even see the whole team hitting 12 more goals this season? Our whole team has actually only scored 13 goals in our last 14 games and whats his name hit 4 of them!! Christ, never realised just how much Cox kept us up on his own. When you put it like that it does make us look pretty toothless at the moment. At least Daggers only drew. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 14:03:36 Carlisle United
Played: 30 Points: 42 Points Per Game: 1.40 Points Left Available: 48 Points Needed for 52: 10 Points Per Game Required: 0.63 Exeter City Played: 31 Points: 42 Points Per Game: 1.35 Points Left Available: 45 Points Needed for 52: 10 Points Per Game Required: 0.67 Hartlepool United Played: 31 Points: 41 Points Per Game: 1.32 Points Left Available: 45 Points Needed for 52: 11 Points Per Game Required: 0.73 Brentford Played: 30 Points: 39 Points Per Game: 1.30 Points Left Available: 48 Points Needed for 52: 13 Points Per Game Required: 0.81 Sheffield Wednesday Played: 30 Points: 37 Points Per Game: 1.23 Points Left Available: 48 Points Needed for 52: 15 Points Per Game Required: 0.94 Tranmere Rovers Played: 30 Points: 37 Points Per Game: 1.23 Points Left Available: 48 Points Needed for 52: 15 Points Per Game Required: 0.94 Notts County Played: 27 Points: 35 Points Per Game: 1.30 Points Left Available: 57 Points Needed for 52: 17 Points Per Game Required: 0.89 Yeovil Town Played: 30 Points: 33 Points Per Game: 1.10 Points Left Available: 48 Points Needed for 52: 19 Points Per Game Required: 1.19 Swindon Town Played: 32 Points: 31 Points Per Game: 0.97 Points Left Available: 42 Points Needed for 52: 21 Points Per Game Required: 1.50 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Walsall Played: 32 Points: 30 Points Per Game: 0.94 Points Left Available: 42 Points Required for 52: 22 Points Per Game Required: 1.57 Bristol Rovers Played: 31 Points: 30 Points Per Game: 0.97 Points Left Available: 45 Points Needed for 52: 22 Points Per Game Required: 1.47 Dagenham & Redbridge Played : 29 Points: 29 Points Per Game: 1.00 Points Left Available: 51 Points Needed for 52: 23 Points Per Game Required: 1.35 Plymouth Argyle Played: 32 Points: 23 (33) Points Per Game: 0.72 (1.03) Points Left Available: 41 Points Needed for 52: 29 Points Per Game Required: 1.81 Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: magicroundabout on Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 14:10:22 ^^^^^ WE'RE FUCKED ^^^^^
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 14:15:11 No to mention we are 23rd in the form table (last 6 games) only team below us is Plymouth.
Us and Sheffield Wednesday have both failed to win in the last 10 as well. Not only do the stats look bad but we are getting worse each week! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: wacko on Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 17:51:20 No to mention we are 23rd in the form table (last 6 games) only team below us is Plymouth. Us and Sheffield Wednesday have both failed to win in the last 10 as well. Not only do the stats look bad but we are getting worse each week! Well if that's the case its going to be some really entertaining football for us against Plymouth and Shef weds ::) Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 19:03:18 I feel a right dicking coming v Saints........
Ive been wrong alL season, so a flukey win ala Charlton years back would be nice!! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 19:04:44 We were good value for our victory over Charlton.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 19:06:11 Think he means the other Charlton game.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 19:06:53 We were good value for our victory over Charlton. Not when Quinn was in charge years ago..we nicked an own goal and then sat and defended for 85 minutes.... Charlton only needed a point for promotion to the Prem andwe went down in the end... Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Costanza on Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 19:07:52 Think he means the other Charlton game. Oh well... Yes, that was a total fluke. Apologies Mr. Flash. Carry on Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: THE FLASH on Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 19:10:17 Yeah...well as i was saying..........Our goal was like a Coconut shy...
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: leefer on Wednesday, February 23, 2011, 19:11:37 Yeah...well as i was saying..........Our goal was like a Coconut shy... What full of Carnie folk :) Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Weasel on Saturday, February 26, 2011, 17:18:48 I hope Wilson doesn't do accumulators. He's fucked the first two predicted results up already.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Saturday, February 26, 2011, 17:34:18 Hartlepool United
Played: 32 Points: 44 Points Per Game: 1.38 Points Left Available: 42 Points Needed for 52: 8 Points Per Game Required: 0.57 Carlisle United Played: 31 Points: 42 Points Per Game: 1.35 Points Left Available: 45 Points Needed for 52: 10 Points Per Game Required: 0.67 Brentford Played: 31 Points: 42 Points Per Game: 1.35 Points Left Available: 45 Points Needed for 52: 10 Points Per Game Required: 0.67 Exeter City Played: 32 Points: 42 Points Per Game: 1.31 Points Left Available: 42 Points Needed for 52: 10 Points Per Game Required: 0.71 Sheffield Wednesday Played: 31 Points: 40 Points Per Game: 1.29 Points Left Available: 45 Points Needed for 52: 12 Points Per Game Required: 0.80 Notts County Played: 28 Points: 38 Points Per Game: 1.38 Points Left Available: 54 Points Needed for 52: 14 Points Per Game Required: 0.78 Tranmere Rovers Played: 31 Points: 37 Points Per Game: 1.19 Points Left Available: 45 Points Needed for 52: 15 Points Per Game Required: 1.00 Yeovil Town Played: 31 Points: 36 Points Per Game: 1.16 Points Left Available: 45 Points Needed for 52: 16 Points Per Game Required: 1.07 Swindon Town Played: 33 Points: 31 Points Per Game: 0.94 Points Left Available: 39 Points Needed for 52: 21 Points Per Game Required: 1.62 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Walsall Played: 33 Points: 31 Points Per Game: 0.94 Points Left Available: 39 Points Required for 52: 21 Points Per Game Required: 1.62 Bristol Rovers Played: 32 Points: 30 Points Per Game: 0.94 Points Left Available: 42 Points Needed for 52: 22 Points Per Game Required: 1.57 Dagenham & Redbridge Played : 30 Points: 29 Points Per Game: 0.97 Points Left Available: 48 Points Needed for 52: 23 Points Per Game Required: 1.44 Plymouth Argyle Played: 33 Points: 26 (36) Points Per Game: 0.79 (1.09) Points Left Available: 39 Points Needed for 52: 26 Points Per Game Required: 2.00 Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: BANGKOK RED on Saturday, February 26, 2011, 17:53:19 I don't like this.
Can't we diddle the figures just to make us feel better? Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Saturday, February 26, 2011, 18:02:27 you can if you want, its not something id do
Regards, DV with a 14 inch penis. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: mrverve on Saturday, February 26, 2011, 18:30:14 The only crumb of comfort is that we haven't won in 11 games so by the law of averages we are due to win a few games.
I'm so depressed, I wish I didn't support Swindon in times like these, it ruins your whole weekend when we lose. :no: :( Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, February 26, 2011, 19:32:28 We don't see,
I don't like this. Can't we diddle the figures just to make us feel better? We tried that once and it got us nowhere. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: chalkies_shorts on Saturday, February 26, 2011, 20:17:03 I can see Wasall giving us a hammering next week. They're picking up some good results and will really fancy their chances and we are there for the taking. In fact I agree with Reg that we could go thruogh the rest of the season without a win.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, February 26, 2011, 21:38:24 I can see Wasall giving us a hammering next week. They're picking up some good results and will really fancy their chances and we are there for the taking. In fact I agree with Reg that we could go thruogh the rest of the season without a win. 2 defeats in the last 8 games for the Saddlers...it will take something very strange for us to win, we've only led once in a league game since early December. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Benzel on Sunday, February 27, 2011, 11:44:54 Jeez it just gets worse and worse. Feel like a prize fucking idiot for trying to show faith in Wilson even as far back as December now.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: leefer on Sunday, February 27, 2011, 11:47:54 I can see Wasall giving us a hammering next week. They're picking up some good results and will really fancy their chances and we are there for the taking. In fact I agree with Reg that we could go thruogh the rest of the season without a win. They are under as much pressure as us...will be a tight affair ala Carlisle. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Arriba on Sunday, February 27, 2011, 11:51:43 we are overdue a win.if we dont get it next saturday then reg could be right.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Batch on Sunday, February 27, 2011, 11:56:12 At the moment this thread may as well be the countdown to 32 :(
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Sunday, February 27, 2011, 12:58:01 Jeez it just gets worse and worse. Feel like a prize fucking idiot for trying to show faith in Wilson even as far back as December now. If its an consolation you never won a prize, so you're just a fucking idiot rather than a prize fucking idiot :) Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Benzel on Sunday, February 27, 2011, 14:14:37 If its an consolation you never won a prize, so you're just a fucking idiot rather than a prize fucking idiot :) Oh brill. Not even a consolation for my idiocy. I was trying to convince myself this wasn't going to happen when really I kind of knew it was coming.Siiiigh. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: JuliasEastoe on Sunday, February 27, 2011, 14:41:20 Bookies predicting 47 points, enough to stay up......http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-one (http://www.statto.com/football/stats/england/league-one)
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Sunday, February 27, 2011, 14:50:42 But will get get to 47?
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: THE FLASH on Sunday, February 27, 2011, 19:38:54 40 points look beyond us...next three games are key...
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 14:59:00 Carlisle United
Played: 32 Points: 45 Points Per Game: 1.41 Points Left Available: 42 Points Needed for 52: 7 Points Per Game Required: 0.50 Hartlepool United Played: 33 Points: 44 Points Per Game: 1.33 Points Left Available: 39 Points Needed for 52: 8 Points Per Game Required: 0.62 Brentford Played: 32 Points: 43 Points Per Game: 1.34 Points Left Available: 42 Points Needed for 52: 9 Points Per Game Required: 0.64 Exeter City Played: 33 Points: 43 Points Per Game: 1.30 Points Left Available: 39 Points Needed for 52: 9 Points Per Game Required: 0.69 Sheffield Wednesday Played: 31 Points: 40 Points Per Game: 1.29 Points Left Available: 45 Points Needed for 52: 12 Points Per Game Required: 0.80 Notts County Played: 29 Points: 39 Points Per Game: 1.34 Points Left Available: 51 Points Needed for 52: 13 Points Per Game Required: 0.76 Tranmere Rovers Played: 32 Points: 38 Points Per Game: 1.19 Points Left Available: 42 Points Needed for 52: 14 Points Per Game Required: 1.00 Yeovil Town Played: 32 Points: 36 Points Per Game: 1.13 Points Left Available: 42 Points Needed for 52: 16 Points Per Game Required: 1.14 Walsall Played: 34 Points: 34 Points Per Game: 1.00 Points Left Available: 36 Points Required for 52: 18 Points Per Game Required: 1.50 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Swindon Town Played: 33 Points: 31 Points Per Game: 0.94 Points Left Available: 39 Points Needed for 52: 21 Points Per Game Required: 1.62 Bristol Rovers Played: 33 Points: 30 Points Per Game: 0.91 Points Left Available: 39 Points Needed for 52: 22 Points Per Game Required: 1.69 Dagenham & Redbridge Played : 30 Points: 29 Points Per Game: 0.97 Points Left Available: 48 Points Needed for 52: 23 Points Per Game Required: 1.44 Plymouth Argyle Played: 33 Points: 26 (36) Points Per Game: 0.79 (1.09) Points Left Available: 39 Points Needed for 52: 26 Points Per Game Required: 2.00 Massive 3 points for Walsall and most of the other teams who played all seem to draw with each other! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: jayohaitchenn on Wednesday, March 2, 2011, 15:26:52 We so down. Fucking Walsall can fuck off and so can saints :(
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: pauld on Saturday, March 5, 2011, 17:46:30 Can't see us getting 42 at this rate, never mind 52
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Saturday, March 5, 2011, 17:59:06 Brentford
Played: 33 Points: 43 Points Per Game: 1.30 Points Left Available: 29 Points Needed for 52: 9 Points Per Game Required: 0.649 Exeter City Played: 34 Points: 43 Points Per Game: 1.26 Points Left Available: 36 Points Needed for 52: 9 Points Per Game Required: 0.75 Sheffield Wednesday Played: 32 Points: 40 Points Per Game: 1.25 Points Left Available: 42 Points Needed for 52: 12 Points Per Game Required: 0.86 Notts County Played: 30 Points: 39 Points Per Game: 1.30 Points Left Available: 48 Points Needed for 52: 13 Points Per Game Required: 0.81 Tranmere Rovers Played: 33 Points: 39 Points Per Game: 1.18 Points Left Available: 39 Points Needed for 52: 13 Points Per Game Required: 1.00 Yeovil Town Played: 33 Points: 37 Points Per Game: 1.12 Points Left Available: 39 Points Needed for 52: 15 Points Per Game Required: 1.15 Walsall Played: 35 Points: 35 Points Per Game: 1.00 Points Left Available: 33 Points Required for 52: 17 Points Per Game Required: 1.55 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dagenham & Redbridge Played : 31 Points: 32 Points Per Game: 1.03 Points Left Available: 45 Points Needed for 52: 20 Points Per Game Required: 1.33 Swindon Town Played: 34 Points: 32 Points Per Game: 0.94 Points Left Available: 36 Points Needed for 52: 20 Points Per Game Required: 1.67 Bristol Rovers Played: 34 Points: 30 Points Per Game: 0.88 Points Left Available: 36 Points Needed for 52: 22 Points Per Game Required: 1.83 Plymouth Argyle Played: 34 Points: 29 (39) Points Per Game: 0.85 (1.15) Points Left Available: 36 Points Needed for 52: 23 Points Per Game Required: 1.92 Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Hitchinred on Saturday, March 5, 2011, 18:09:28 I couldn't believe the staff at the Leyton Orient Supporters club beer festival last night were also discussing the magic 52 point safety zone. I would have thought they'd be looking up the table rather than down. He did also say we played well there and should have been three up instead of them at half time.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, March 5, 2011, 18:18:10 I couldn't believe the staff at the Leyton Orient Supporters club beer festival last night were also discussing the magic 52 point safety zone. I would have thought they'd be looking up the table rather than down. He did also say we played well there and should have been three up instead of them at half time. I think he was trying to make you feel better. We weren't playing badly (except for the mad 5 mins), but 3-0 up at HT would have seriously flattered us! This season is horrible. Someone make it stop. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Saturday, March 5, 2011, 18:25:06 I couldn't believe the staff at the Leyton Orient Supporters club beer festival last night were also discussing the magic 52 point safety zone. I would have thought they'd be looking up the table rather than down. He did also say we played well there and should have been three up instead of them at half time. ...who do I send my consultancy bill to? Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 06:34:50 Exeter City
Played: 35 Points: 46 Points Per Game: 1.31 Points Left Available: 33 Points Needed for 52: 6 Points Per Game Required: 0.55 Sheffield Wednesday Played: 33 Points: 43 Points Per Game: 1.30 Points Left Available: 39 Points Needed for 52: 9 Points Per Game Required: 0.69 Brentford Played: 34 Points: 43 Points Per Game: 1.26 Points Left Available: 36 Points Needed for 52: 9 Points Per Game Required: 0.75 Notts County Played: 31 Points: 39 Points Per Game: 1.26 Points Left Available: 45 Points Needed for 52: 13 Points Per Game Required: 0.87 Tranmere Rovers Played: 34 Points: 39 Points Per Game: 1.15 Points Left Available: 36 Points Needed for 52: 13 Points Per Game Required: 1.08 Yeovil Town Played: 34 Points: 37 Points Per Game: 1.09 Points Left Available: 36 Points Needed for 52: 15 Points Per Game Required: 1.25 Dagenham & Redbridge Played : 32 Points: 35 Points Per Game: 1.09 Points Left Available: 42 Points Needed for 52: 17 Points Per Game Required: 1.21 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Walsall Played: 36 Points: 35 Points Per Game: 0.97 Points Left Available: 30 Points Required for 52: 17 Points Per Game Required: 1.70 Bristol Rovers Played: 35 Points: 33 Points Per Game: 0.94 Points Left Available: 33 Points Needed for 52: 19 Points Per Game Required: 1.73 Plymouth Argyle Played: 35 Points: 32 (42) Points Per Game: 0.91 (1.20) Points Left Available: 33 Points Needed for 52: 20 Points Per Game Required: 1.82 Swindon Town Played: 35 Points: 32 Points Per Game: 0.91 Points Left Available: 33 Points Needed for 52: 20 Points Per Game Required: 1.82 Well, if you didnt already know it. We are fucked, down, relegated. To put it bluntly, the other team in the division with a better points per game ratio than the one we'd need to get to 52 is Brighton. Bournemouth in second have averaged 1.74 all season. So, championship form from now until the end of the season and we might just do it. We can still get to 65 points and get automatic if none of the other teams pick up any points! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Posh Red on Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 09:05:50 Can't see us getting 40pts, let alone 52.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: JuliasEastoe on Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 09:10:57 Looks like 50 points might keep us up, so D&R game Saturday is the decider lose or draw that we are down :crash:
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: herthab on Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 09:12:33 Looks like 50 points might keep us up, so D&R game Saturday is the decider lose or draw that we are down :crash: Face it. WE. ARE. FUCKING. DOWN. Dead and Buried. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Ardiles on Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 09:13:40 Looks like 50 points might keep us up, so D&R game Saturday is the decider lose or draw that we are down :crash: You're several games too late with that comment. We're down. Saturday means nothing now. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: jimmy_onions on Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 09:14:29 Looks like 50 points might keep us up, so D&R game Saturday is the decider lose or draw that we are down :crash: What, we dont need 52, we only need 50? Jesus fucking wept - we're saved! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 09:16:51 Looks like 50 points might keep us up, so D&R game Saturday is the decider lose or draw that we are down :crash: [url width=123 height=117]http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l62/yorky_2006/clutchingstraws.jpg[/url] We don't seem to have the tools to hit the promotion form needed for survival. By tools I mean players, who are in actual fact complete tools! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: jimmy_onions on Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 09:20:17 At this point Fittons' sole focus should be planning for next season, managing staff, players etc etc so God forbid we dont do a Stockport.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Lumps on Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 21:51:00 So basically to survive we just need to 18 points from 33. When so far we've managed 32 from 105. That's almost doubling the points haul from each game.
It's not going to happen is it? Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Saturday, March 12, 2011, 19:11:05 Brentford
Played: 35 Points: 46 Points Per Game: 1.31 Points Left Available: 33 Points Needed for 52: 6 Points Per Game Required: 0.55 Rochdale Played: 33 Points: 45 Points Per Game: 1.36 Points Left Available: 39 Points Needed for 52: 7 Points Per Game Required: 0.54 Sheffield Wednesday Played: 34 Points: 43 Points Per Game: 1.26 Points Left Available: 36 Points Needed for 52: 9 Points Per Game Required: 0.75 Notts County Played: 32 Points: 42 Points Per Game: 1.31 Points Left Available: 42 Points Needed for 52: 10 Points Per Game Required: 0.71 Tranmere Rovers Played: 35 Points: 39 Points Per Game: 1.11 Points Left Available: 33 Points Needed for 52: 13 Points Per Game Required: 1.18 Yeovil Town Played: 35 Points: 38 Points Per Game: 1.09 Points Left Available: 33 Points Needed for 52: 14 Points Per Game Required: 1.27 Dagenham & Redbridge Played : 33 Points: 36 Points Per Game: 1.09 Points Left Available: 39 Points Needed for 52: 16 Points Per Game Required: 1.23 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Walsall Played: 37 Points: 36 Points Per Game: 0.97 Points Left Available: 27 Points Required for 52: 16 Points Per Game Required: 1.78 Swindon Town Played: 36 Points: 33 Points Per Game: 0.92 Points Left Available: 30 Points Needed for 52: 19 Points Per Game Required: 1.90 Bristol Rovers Played: 36 Points: 33 Points Per Game: 0.92 Points Left Available: 30 Points Needed for 52: 19 Points Per Game Required: 1.90 Plymouth Argyle Played: 36 Points: 32 (42) Points Per Game: 0.89 (1.17) Points Left Available: 30 Points Needed for 52: 20 Points Per Game Required: 2.00 I think its safe to say it looks like 4 from 7. Tranmere downwards. Ourselves, Plymouth and Rovers look as good as gone. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: mrverve on Saturday, March 12, 2011, 22:36:56 The only positive that I can find is that it won't take 52 points to get to safety.
There's a real possibility this season that the team that finished 5th from bottom will set a record for the least amount of points gained without getting relegated. There are some woeful teams in this league this season and I can't believe that we're one of them. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Benzel on Saturday, March 12, 2011, 22:40:47 I can't accept that we're down.
WE CAN FUCKING DO THIS.... I don't know why I'm saying this. Help me. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, March 12, 2011, 22:43:54 Tonight's bottom four are the sides that will go down in May, I'm fairly sure of that.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Swindoner on Saturday, March 12, 2011, 22:46:36 48-50 points would probably be enough to stay up but where would the points come from?
Huddersfield (A) 0 points Brighton (A) 0 points Exeter (A) 1 point Hartlepool (H) 3 points Brentford (A) 0 points Franchise (H) 1 points Notts County (H) 3 points Sheffield Wednesday (A) 0 points Oldham (H) 3 points Tranmere (A) 1 point That would give us 45 points which wouldn't be enough i don't think. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: mrverve on Saturday, March 12, 2011, 22:49:42 I can't accept that we're down. WE CAN FUCKING DO THIS.... I don't know why I'm saying this. Help me. I was like you. Even after the Carlisle game I was backing the players, I was actually convinced that we were going to get out of this. Then I went to the Walsall game and I came out of the ground with the exact same feeling that I had in 2006 after we lost 1-0 to Franchise. I just don't think the players have the ability to scrap and get results. They're a decent group of players, and whatever you say, on paper should be much much higher than where they currently are. But the points needed are too much to ask from the players from now until Prenton Park. We're doomed. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Benzel on Saturday, March 12, 2011, 22:53:42 Yeah I think I remember saying that Walsall was our Franchise before the match on here actually.
I'm going to freeze myself, someone wake me up when the season's over. Just don't lose me, I don't wanna wake up in 500 years to find out football doesn't exist (South Park fans) I think it's because we've got a new player. It always pumps up my optimism and I was encourage by his performance today. Also with N'Diyieieieiye (sic) to possibly come in... who know.s.. Well, I know it's too little too late, but dammit NOT YET. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: mrverve on Saturday, March 12, 2011, 22:55:58 48-50 points would probably be enough to stay up but where would the points come from? Huddersfield (A) 0 points Brighton (A) 0 points Exeter (A) 1 point Hartlepool (H) 3 points Brentford (A) 0 points Franchise (H) 1 points Notts County (H) 3 points Sheffield Wednesday (A) 0 points Oldham (H) 3 points Tranmere (A) 1 point That would give us 45 points which wouldn't be enough i don't think. Maybe a point at Hudders or Brighton, 3 points at home to franchise and 3 points at Brentford, that would give us 51. I know I'm clutching at straws. If we're lucky and it goes down to the last day against Tranmere we might have a chance in a one off game. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Coca Fola on Saturday, March 12, 2011, 23:38:57 Can we use this count down for next season too?
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: pauld on Sunday, March 13, 2011, 01:07:43 I can't accept that we're down. I think you need to start accepting itQuote WE CAN FUCKING DO THIS.... Typing it in caps doesn't make it any more true. You do realise that while you're typing in caps in the vain hope that that will somehow make it more likely it will be true, the players you're relying on to make it so are all out on the piss in The Spot/Longs/Insert-whatever's-this-season's-trendy-watering-hole-of-choice-to-piss-our-hard-earned-season-ticket-money-for-fuck-all-return-up-against-a-wall don't you?Quote I don't know why I'm saying this. If you still think this lot of tossers can keep us up, you're beyond help. Sadly, so am I :)Help me. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: BANGKOK RED on Sunday, March 13, 2011, 10:45:40 I know people say we have to achieve play-off form to stay up.
I'm looking at it like we just have to better than those around us to stay up. And I think we might just do that. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Sunday, March 13, 2011, 10:47:41 not even play off form would keep us up!
Also, no good if from now till the end of the season we get 2 more points than Dagenham! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: BANGKOK RED on Sunday, March 13, 2011, 11:22:11 The thing is though that the logic is a tad flawed.
If (yeah I know, 'IF') we put together a bit of a run, then the points needed per game for future games will drop. We will not need to continue that level of form for the rest of the season. Saying that we need promotion form is misleading. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Batch on Sunday, March 13, 2011, 13:08:34 It clearly not an impossible task.
But taking into account our current form and our massive 2 points from three crucial games. Coupled with the fact we have three away games coming versus Huddersfield, Brighton and (we always draw against) Exeter - it is so close to impossible its not worth splitting hairs over. [url width=120 height=160]http://i141.photobucket.com/albums/r66/batch_2001/stuffed.jpg[/url] Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: wheretherealredsare on Sunday, March 13, 2011, 14:10:07 The thing is though that the logic is a tad flawed. If (yeah I know, 'IF') we put together a bit of a run, then the points needed per game for future games will drop. We will not need to continue that level of form for the rest of the season. Saying that we need promotion form is misleading. So, if we win our next 6 games we only need to draw 1 of the last 4. Maybe not even that if "stay up level" turns out to be 50. Piece of cake. I see what you mean. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Sunday, March 13, 2011, 14:49:49 So, if we win our next 6 games we only need to draw 1 of the last 4. Maybe not even that if "stay up level" turns out to be 50. Piece of cake. I see what you mean. Which would be 1.90 points per game. 19 from 10 games Which over a season would be 87 points, which would be promotion form...still... Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Spencer_White on Sunday, March 13, 2011, 18:54:31 I feel a little bit more optimistic today, just for the reason that I think weve got a bit of quality up front now. Andrew and Grella, with Benyon to come off the bench is not bad at all.
I guess what Im saying is, I can see us winning a few games before the end of the season now. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Coca Fola on Sunday, March 13, 2011, 19:07:55 I think it will be less than 50 to stay up this season. 47/48 I think.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: BANGKOK RED on Sunday, March 13, 2011, 20:28:53 I feel a little bit more optimistic today, just for the reason that I think weve got a bit of quality up front now. Andrew and Grella, with Benyon to come off the bench is not bad at all. I guess what Im saying is, I can see us winning a few games before the end of the season now. I think Hart is fixing what is broken. Look at the impact Andrew has made. This N'Diaye chap is still to come yet and is supposedly a much better prospect Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Spencer_White on Sunday, March 13, 2011, 21:18:16 Id say things are comming together. Wilson didnt get much luck with Benyon's injury. Grella was too late for DW.
Fair play to Hart for Andrew though, and fair play for realising we couldnt rely on Obika with his work rate and kicking him into touch. We're ready to win again. Shame we now have a difficult run of games. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: OOH! SHAUN TAYLOR on Sunday, March 13, 2011, 21:22:53 I think Hart is fixing what is broken. Look at the impact Andrew has made. This N'Diaye chap is still to come yet and is supposedly a much better prospect Who's that? I missed that one obviously. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: BANGKOK RED on Sunday, March 13, 2011, 21:25:08 Who's that? I missed that one obviously. Another big lump from palace, midfielder. Was supposed to come with Andrew but he picked up a knock or something. Palace fans rate him much higher than Anddrew. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: mrverve on Sunday, March 13, 2011, 21:26:46 Admittedly I've only seen Andrew once yesterday, but he reminds me of Paynter when he first came. If we're in this league next year i would put a cheeky bid for him. He's 24 and can still improve. Look at Paynter before he came to us, he had all the attributes but just couldn't score regularly. We could improve Andrew if we were to buy him and give him games. Who knows. Let's just hope he finds the net a few times for us this season. The effort he put in yesterday was outstanding.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: BANGKOK RED on Sunday, March 13, 2011, 21:30:25 Let's just hope he finds the net a few times for us this season. Would be nice. But I don't think that's what he's been bought here for. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: mrverve on Sunday, March 13, 2011, 21:32:41 Would be nice. But I don't think that's what he's been bought here for. He's been bought here to hold the ball up to bring the other forwards into play and to be physical etc. I know, however a few goals wouldn't go a miss in our predicament. ;D Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: BANGKOK RED on Sunday, March 13, 2011, 21:37:43 Mr. Hart certainly seems to have a plan. Let's hope it isn't too late.
More power to the engines Scotty Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: stfcinbmth on Sunday, March 13, 2011, 21:42:52 Folk seem quite optimistic about the Grella, Andrew partnership, fingers crossed it bears fruit
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, March 13, 2011, 21:48:42 The grella andrew partnership means fuck all, we can't defend
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: stfcinbmth on Sunday, March 13, 2011, 21:51:51 Out score the opposition, yeah I know straws and clutching. Got to cling on to something tho, albeit straws
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Spencer_White on Sunday, March 13, 2011, 21:59:09 The grella andrew partnership means fuck all, we can't defend Total bollocks. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Bogus Dave on Sunday, March 13, 2011, 22:07:00 I must say i'm in total awe at the amount of clean sheets we've kept this season
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: mrverve on Sunday, March 13, 2011, 22:10:33 The grella andrew partnership means fuck all, we can't defend I sort of agree. However if we can keep the ball up the pitch more and with a player like Andrew it looks like we can, it can take the pressure off the defence more. For the majority of this season, we've been under pressure for long periods in games and the main reason for this was the lack of quality up front to hold the ball up. Saying that we still need to improve our defence, it might be a bit late for that now though. Who knows. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: BANGKOK RED on Monday, March 14, 2011, 08:27:12 The grella andrew partnership means fuck all, we can't defend Have you not noticed Dave that we are now under new management! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Monday, March 14, 2011, 10:23:09 I must say i'm in total awe at the amount of clean sheets we've kept this season Been better since hart arrived thoughTitle: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Batch on Monday, March 14, 2011, 10:51:53 Been better since hart arrived though Not really. Wilson managed two back to back 0-0 at the end of Jan and we haven't conceded more than 1 at home for a while. The acid test will come in the next 3 games, all away. We have continued to be concede left, right and centre away. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Monday, March 14, 2011, 10:56:17 Not really. Wilson managed two back to back 0-0 at the end of Jan and we haven't conceded more than 1 at home for a while. We look better though imo and knocking the ball around at the back again.The acid test will come in the next 3 games, all away. We have continued to be concede left, right and centre away. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: london_red on Monday, March 14, 2011, 11:01:54 Not really. Wilson managed two back to back 0-0 at the end of Jan and we haven't conceded more than 1 at home for a while. The acid test will come in the next 3 games, all away. We have continued to be concede left, right and centre away. Yeah a bewildering difference between home and away this season. You're guaranteed entertainment when we come to town as our away games have seen more goals than anyone else's this season, yet the CG has seen fewer goals than anywhere else! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Batch on Monday, March 14, 2011, 11:47:46 We look better though imo and knocking the ball around at the back again. Well that's true. We still don't seem to be carving too many clear cut opportunities though. Too many sideways, backwards and slow methodical passes. Any improvement is welcome, and you can't fault Saturdays effort, but we look miles away from 'clicking' to me. Part of that is confidence I suppose but time has run out for gradual improvement. Sorry to sound argumentative! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: BANGKOK RED on Monday, March 14, 2011, 12:09:19 Sorry to sound argumentative! Why? It's a reasoned argument, it's a lot better than the: "We're shot, everybody out" crap we get on here. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Don Rogers Shop on Monday, March 14, 2011, 12:12:59 Agree nice to have someone give a reason for a change
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Batch on Monday, March 14, 2011, 12:54:36 Why? It's a reasoned argument, it's a lot better than the: "We're shot, everybody out" crap we get on here. I can do that too. After the Walsall game I wouldn't have cared if the starting 11 were sold in the summer :) Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Monday, March 14, 2011, 16:43:29 Been better since hart arrived though In the 3 games we've played one of those was against the least attacking side to ever come to the County Ground in its entire history and another one was against a team that boasted the attacking prowess of Bas fucking Savage. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: london_red on Monday, March 14, 2011, 17:39:30 In the 3 games we've played one of those was against the least attacking side to ever come to the County Ground in its entire history and another one was against a team that boasted the attacking prowess of Bas fucking Savage. To be fair sometimes this season I think we'd have struggled against the attacking prowess of Lily fucking Savage! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: LucienSanchez on Monday, March 14, 2011, 17:43:23 Doesn't Bas Savage usually score against us? Improvement!
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Monday, March 14, 2011, 18:17:49 Doesn't Bas Savage usually score against us? Improvement! If by usually you mean twice, then yeah! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: LucienSanchez on Monday, March 14, 2011, 18:25:13 More than Andy Cole ever did... (there's a trivia question about that i think)
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 14, 2011, 19:14:50 More than Andy Cole ever did... (there's a trivia question about that i think) Think Cole only scored once in 4 or 5 games against us....bit like Steve Bull, who may just about have got the one, but in probably more games. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: LucienSanchez on Monday, March 14, 2011, 19:18:54 I think i was thinking of the stat that Andy Cole scored against every Premier League team he ever played against, except us. Or something.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 14, 2011, 19:20:31 I think i was thinking of the stat that Andy Cole scored against every Premier League team he ever played against, except us. Or something. Could well be...think he scored for Shitty against us, but never for Newcastle, even in the 7-1 game. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Costanza on Monday, March 14, 2011, 19:27:17 Could well be...think he scored for Shitty against us, but never for Newcastle Yeah we were the only Prem team he failed to score against, or something like that. [After looking on s-t-fc.co.uk] Cole never scored against Swindon in four attempts. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Batch on Monday, March 14, 2011, 19:38:10 I was going to mention Jermain Defoe being equally inept against us. 'But it turns out he only played against us once, 1-1. Sol Davis marked him out the game.
So you'll have to make do with knowing his middle name is Colin instead. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 14, 2011, 19:42:53 Yeah we were the only Prem team he failed to score against, or something like that. [After looking on s-t-fc.co.uk] Cole never scored against Swindon in four attempts. Must have imagined the Shitty goal then....speaking of which hopefully they'll be turkeys in Norfolk tonight and get a good stuffing. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: THE FLASH on Tuesday, March 15, 2011, 09:40:01 I thought Cole NEVER scored against us ever?? or was it City away.....stat please?
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Monday, March 21, 2011, 11:08:14 Sheffield Wednesday
Played: 36 Points: 43 Points Per Game: 1.19 Points Left Available: 30 Points Needed for 52: 9 Points Per Game Required: 0.90 Notts County Played: 34 Points: 42 Points Per Game: 1.24 Points Left Available: 36 Points Needed for 52: 10 Points Per Game Required: 0.83 Tranmere Rovers Played: 36 Points: 42 Points Per Game: 1.17 Points Left Available: 30 Points Needed for 52: 10 Points Per Game Required: 1.00 Yeovil Town Played: 36 Points: 41 Points Per Game: 1.14 Points Left Available: 30 Points Needed for 52: 11 Points Per Game Required: 1.10 Dagenham & Redbridge Played : 34 Points: 39 Points Per Game: 1.15 Points Left Available: 36 Points Needed for 52: 13 Points Per Game Required: 1.08 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Walsall Played: 38 Points: 39 Points Per Game: 1.03 Points Left Available: 24 Points Required for 52: 13 Points Per Game Required: 1.63 Bristol Rovers Played: 37 Points: 36 Points Per Game: 0.97 Points Left Available: 27 Points Needed for 52: 16 Points Per Game Required: 1.78 Swindon Town Played: 37 Points: 34 Points Per Game: 0.92 Points Left Available: 27 Points Needed for 52: 18 Points Per Game Required: 2.00 Plymouth Argyle Played: 38 Points: 33 (43) Points Per Game: 0.87 (1.13) Points Left Available: 24 Points Needed for 52: 19 Points Per Game Required: 2.38 I reckon it could well be the current bottom 4 that go come May... Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Batch on Monday, March 21, 2011, 11:19:04 T'other day I was thinking about how I don't think the Wendies are quite out of it yet. Looking again it would take an even worse run than we are on to make that come true!
Now you've updated this it looks unlikely we will catch anyone even with a "good" run. We need something approaching monumental. We don't have the fire power to do that. Don't think 52 will be needed though. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Monday, March 21, 2011, 11:30:10 You say that...but...on current PPGs then only the bottom 4 will fail to reach 52. If everyone from Daggers upward at least maintain their current PPGs ratio till the end of the season they will all hit 52+
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Batch on Monday, March 21, 2011, 11:38:21 Surely some of those inside the bottom 4 need to play those just outside. Point taken though..
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Monday, March 21, 2011, 11:49:33 I expect so, PPGs is never going to stay exactly consistent so its not the best thing to go on...
Still odd to think we need title winning form to stay up yet Daggers dont even need to match their current 'over the season ' form to stay up. Makes the gap sound fucking huge!! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Batch on Monday, March 21, 2011, 12:09:09 Makes the gap sound fucking huge!! That's the three games in hand for you. I can't believe we are 5 (five) from safety and everyone outside the zone has a game in hand. It IS a fucking huge gap. 6 points from out next 2 games will narrow it though :) Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Ardiles on Monday, March 21, 2011, 12:23:58 In the interests of staying happy, I decided to pretty much ignore the football this weekend and focus on the rugby instead. (Well, that worked.) Only saw the table in the paper for the first time this morning, and was even a little shocked with just how dead & buried we already are.
Have to keep pinching myself, but 24th place is a real prospect now...which I guess is what happens when you fail to win a game for over 2˝ months. Still can't quite believe we are where we are. When the dust has settled, someone should write a football management textbook using STFC 2010/11 as a case study. Utterly, utterly bizarre just how wrong everything has gone this season. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: pauld on Monday, March 21, 2011, 12:45:02 Isn't this thread a bit redundant now? Given that:
a) It clearly won't be 52 points required to stay up (more likely 48/49) b) Whatever the target is, we clearly won't hit it due to our inability to, well, hit the target during games Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Monday, March 21, 2011, 13:34:00 the PPG currently suggests it will be 52.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 21, 2011, 16:51:18 I expect so, PPGs is never going to stay exactly consistent so its not the best thing to go on... Still odd to think we need title winning form to stay up yet Daggers dont even need to match their current 'over the season ' form to stay up. Makes the gap sound fucking huge!! Daggers need to win 4 from 12, they've won 6 from the last 12....they'll be fine. Saturday more or less finished us off, save for something completely unlikely happening. The only real issue left for us is whether we finish 24th in Div 3, for the first time. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Monday, March 21, 2011, 17:19:15 ...and thats not really much of a fucking issue at all
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Monday, March 21, 2011, 17:23:51 ...and thats not really much of a fucking issue at all Personally, I'd rather avoid it, especially with Plymuff being docked 10 points. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: BANGKOK RED on Monday, March 21, 2011, 18:22:45 I'm with DV on this.
20th or 24th, it's all just as bad. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: london_red on Monday, March 21, 2011, 18:48:10 I'm with DV on this. 20th or 24th, it's all just as bad. I would take 20th! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: BANGKOK RED on Monday, March 21, 2011, 19:03:18 I would take 20th! Me too. Don't ya hate it when you get the simplest of things wrong. 20th would be grand Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: london_red on Monday, March 21, 2011, 19:24:26 Don't ya hate it when you get the simplest of things wrong. Happens to me constantly. It's usually fine until some smartarse has to point it out ;) Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Saturday, March 26, 2011, 16:53:49 Sheffield Wednesday
Played: 37 Points: 44 Points Per Game: 1.19 Points Left Available: 27 Points Needed for 52: 8 Points Per Game Required: 0.89 Yeovil Town Played: 37 Points: 44 Points Per Game: 1.19 Points Left Available: 27 Points Needed for 52: 8 Points Per Game Required: 0.89 Notts County Played: 35 Points: 42 Points Per Game: 1.20 Points Left Available: 33 Points Needed for 52: 10 Points Per Game Required: 0.91 Tranmere Rovers Played: 36 Points: 42 Points Per Game: 1.17 Points Left Available: 30 Points Needed for 52: 10 Points Per Game Required: 1.00 Dagenham & Redbridge Played : 36 Points: 41 Points Per Game: 1.14 Points Left Available: 30 Points Needed for 52: 11 Points Per Game Required: 1.10 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Walsall Played: 39 Points: 40 Points Per Game: 1.03 Points Left Available: 21 Points Required for 52: 12 Points Per Game Required: 1.71 Bristol Rovers Played: 38 Points: 37 Points Per Game: 0.97 Points Left Available: 24 Points Needed for 52: 15 Points Per Game Required: 1.88 Swindon Town Played: 38 Points: 34 Points Per Game: 0.89 Points Left Available: 24 Points Needed for 52: 18 Points Per Game Required: 2.25 Plymouth Argyle Played: 38 Points: 33 (43) Points Per Game: 0.87 (1.13) Points Left Available: 24 Points Needed for 52: 19 Points Per Game Required: 2.38 anyone still think we have a chance in hell?? Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: shady on Saturday, March 26, 2011, 16:54:39 Now that is sobering. Good work though dVinho, been following this thread in hope rather than expectation
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Costanza on Saturday, March 26, 2011, 17:01:16 I shall rebel against DV's sobering/frightening stats.
WE WILL STAY UP. Quote me on it :zipped: Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Saturday, March 26, 2011, 17:02:00 I shall rebel against DV's sobering/frightening stats. I'M A DELUDED IDOIT WE WILL STAY UP. Quote me on it :zipped: Done :) Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Costanza on Saturday, March 26, 2011, 17:04:37 Done :) My deluded bubble (and that's exactly what it is) just hasn't popped yet. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Benzel on Saturday, March 26, 2011, 19:32:35 Dagenham have Brighton twice in the next 3 games? Not over yet.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Saturday, March 26, 2011, 19:46:00 Dagenham have Brighton twice in the next 3 games? Not over yet. If Daggers don't get another point this season, we'd need 7 points to bridge the existing gap. We've got 6 points from the last 16 games..... Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, March 28, 2011, 09:46:46 If Daggers don't get another point this season, we'd need 7 points to bridge the existing gap. We've got 6 points from the last 16 games..... Keep the faith Reg......Im only interested to see who avoids the wooden spoon. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Benzel on Monday, March 28, 2011, 09:51:47 If Daggers don't get another point this season, we'd need 7 points to bridge the existing gap. We've got 6 points from the last 16 games..... It's not over yet!!! (lalalallalaalalafingersinearslalallalaa)Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, March 28, 2011, 09:53:20 It's not over yet!!! (lalalallalaalalafingersinearslalallalaa) "For me it isnt oveeeeeer!....never mind i'll find someone like yooooooooooou!" Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: magicroundabout on Monday, March 28, 2011, 10:33:20 Sheffield Wednesday Played: 37 Points: 44 Points Per Game: 1.19 Points Left Available: 27 Points Needed for 52: 8 Points Per Game Required: 0.89 Yeovil Town Played: 37 Points: 44 Points Per Game: 1.19 Points Left Available: 27 Points Needed for 52: 8 Points Per Game Required: 0.89 Notts County Played: 35 Points: 42 Points Per Game: 1.20 Points Left Available: 33 Points Needed for 52: 10 Points Per Game Required: 0.91 Remaining Fixtures: Saturday, 2 April 2011 Npower League One Notts County v Oldham, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tuesday, 5 April 2011 Npower League One Notts County v Rochdale, 19:45 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 9 April 2011 Npower League One Dag & Red v Notts County, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tuesday, 12 April 2011 Npower League One Yeovil v Notts County, 19:45 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 16 April 2011 Npower League One Notts County v Bournemouth, 12:30 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tuesday, 19 April 2011 Npower League One Tranmere v Notts County, 19:45 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 23 April 2011 Npower League One Swindon v Notts County, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday, 25 April 2011 Npower League One Notts County v Brentford, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 30 April 2011 Npower League One Franchise v Notts County, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 7 May 2011 Npower League One Notts County v Brighton, 15:00 Tranmere Rovers Played: 36 Points: 42 Points Per Game: 1.17 Points Left Available: 30 Points Needed for 52: 10 Points Per Game Required: 1.00 Remaining Fixtures: Monday, 28 March 2011 Npower League One Oldham v Tranmere, 19:45 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 2 April 2011 Npower League One Tranmere v Huddersfield, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tuesday, 5 April 2011 Npower League One Sheff Wed v Tranmere, 19:45 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 9 April 2011 Npower League One Bournemouth v Tranmere, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 16 April 2011 Npower League One Tranmere v Dag & Red, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tuesday, 19 April 2011 Npower League One Tranmere v Notts County, 19:45 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, 22 April 2011 Npower League One Hartlepool v Tranmere, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday, 25 April 2011 Npower League One Tranmere v Exeter, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 30 April 2011 Npower League One Leyton Orient v Tranmere, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 7 May 2011 Npower League One Tranmere v Swindon, 15:00 Dagenham & Redbridge Played : 36 Points: 41 Points Per Game: 1.14 Points Left Available: 30 Points Needed for 52: 11 Points Per Game Required: 1.10 Remaining Fixtures: Tuesday, 29 March 2011 Npower League One Dag & Red v Brighton, 19:45 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 2 April 2011 Npower League One Exeter v Dag & Red, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tuesday, 5 April 2011 Npower League One Dag & Red v Peterborough, 19:45 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 9 April 2011 Npower League One Dag & Red v Notts County, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tuesday, 12 April 2011 Npower League One Brighton v Dag & Red, 19:45 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 16 April 2011 Npower League One Tranmere v Dag & Red, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, 22 April 2011 Npower League One Dag & Red v Plymouth, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday, 25 April 2011 Npower League One Huddersfield v Dag & Red, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 30 April 2011 Npower League One Dag & Red v Carlisle, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 7 May 2011 Npower League One Peterborough v Dag & Red, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Walsall Played: 39 Points: 40 Points Per Game: 1.03 Points Left Available: 21 Points Required for 52: 12 Points Per Game Required: 1.71 Remaining Fixtures: Saturday, 9 April 2011 Npower League One Plymouth v Walsall, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tuesday, 12 April 2011 Npower League One Walsall v Brentford, 19:45 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 16 April 2011 Npower League One Walsall v Brighton, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 23 April 2011 Npower League One Walsall v Sheff Wed, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday, 25 April 2011 Npower League One Oldham v Walsall, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 30 April 2011 Npower League One Walsall v Charlton, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 7 May 2011 Npower League One Southampton v Walsall, 15:00 Bristol Rovers Played: 38 Points: 37 Points Per Game: 0.97 Points Left Available: 24 Points Needed for 52: 15 Points Per Game Required: 1.88 Remaining Fixtures: Saturday, 2 April 2011 Npower League One Yeovil v Bristol Rovers, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tuesday, 5 April 2011 Npower League One Bristol Rovers v Bournemouth, 19:45 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 9 April 2011 Npower League One Bristol Rovers v Exeter, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 16 April 2011 Npower League One Southampton v Bristol Rovers, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 23 April 2011 Npower League One Bristol Rovers v Charlton, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday, 25 April 2011 Npower League One Bournemouth v Bristol Rovers, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 30 April 2011 Npower League One Bristol Rovers v Sheff Wed, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 7 May 2011 Npower League One Colchester v Bristol Rovers, 15:00 Swindon Town Played: 38 Points: 34 Points Per Game: 0.89 Points Left Available: 24 Points Needed for 52: 18 Points Per Game Required: 2.25 Remaining Fixtures: Tuesday, 29 March 2011 Npower League One Exeter v Swindon, 19:45 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 2 April 2011 Npower League One Swindon v Hartlepool, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 9 April 2011 Npower League One Brentford v Swindon, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 16 April 2011 Npower League One Swindon v Franchise, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 23 April 2011 Npower League One Swindon v Notts County, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday, 25 April 2011 Npower League One Sheff Wed v Swindon, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 30 April 2011 Npower League One Swindon v Oldham, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 7 May 2011 Npower League One Tranmere v Swindon, 15:00 Plymouth Argyle Played: 38 Points: 33 (43) Points Per Game: 0.87 (1.13) Points Left Available: 24 Points Needed for 52: 19 Points Per Game Required: 2.38 Remaining Fixtures: Tuesday, 5 April 2011 Npower League One Leyton Orient v Plymouth, 19:45 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 9 April 2011 Npower League One Plymouth v Walsall, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 16 April 2011 Npower League One Peterborough v Plymouth, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday, 22 April 2011 Npower League One Dag & Red v Plymouth, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday, 25 April 2011 Npower League One Plymouth v Franchise, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 30 April 2011 Npower League One Exeter v Plymouth, 12:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Monday, 2 May 2011 Npower League One Plymouth v Southampton, 15:00 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday, 7 May 2011 Npower League One Plymouth v Leyton Orient, 15:00 anyone still think we have a chance in hell?? i've added the remaining fixtures to compare each run in Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 05:20:47 Oldham Athletic
Played: 39 Points: 47 Points Per Game: 1.21 Points Left Available: 21 Points Needed for 52: 5 Points Per Game Required: 0.71 Yeovil Town Played: 38 Points: 47 Points Per Game: 1.24 Points Left Available: 24 Points Needed for 52: 5 Points Per Game Required: 0.63 Sheffield Wednesday Played: 38 Points: 44 Points Per Game: 1.16 Points Left Available: 24 Points Needed for 52: 8 Points Per Game Required: 1.00 Tranmere Rovers Played: 37 Points: 43 Points Per Game: 1.16 Points Left Available: 27 Points Needed for 52: 9 Points Per Game Required: 1.00 Notts County Played: 36 Points: 42 Points Per Game: 1.17 Points Left Available: 30 Points Needed for 52: 10 Points Per Game Required: 1.00 Dagenham & Redbridge Played : 37 Points: 41 Points Per Game: 1.11 Points Left Available: 27 Points Needed for 52: 11 Points Per Game Required: 1.22 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Walsall Played: 39 Points: 40 Points Per Game: 1.03 Points Left Available: 21 Points Required for 52: 12 Points Per Game Required: 1.71 Bristol Rovers Played: 38 Points: 37 Points Per Game: 0.97 Points Left Available: 24 Points Needed for 52: 15 Points Per Game Required: 1.88 Swindon Town Played: 39 Points: 34 Points Per Game: 0.87 Points Left Available: 21 Points Needed for 52: 18 Points Per Game Required: 2.57 Plymouth Argyle Played: 38 Points: 33 (43) Points Per Game: 0.87 (1.13) Points Left Available: 24 Points Needed for 52: 19 Points Per Game Required: 2.38 Oldham and Sheffield Wednesday seem to be on terrible form and sinking lower and lower. Wouldnt be surprised if one of those two got dragged into it. Not for our expensive of course. We basically need to win all our games now. pahahahahahaha¬! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Batch on Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 06:01:02 [url width=449 height=277]http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t243/UGLY_BOB_photos/FatLadySings.jpg[/url]
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Matchworn Shirts on Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 06:38:37 We will be lucky to win one game yet alone them all
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: THE FLASH on Friday, April 1, 2011, 09:36:03 Countdown to 40 (in a dream) more like
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Samdy Gray on Friday, April 1, 2011, 14:35:54 In terms of relegation, I'd say we're at about 27 seconds on this at the moment...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9MytO0O_q0 Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Saturday, April 2, 2011, 16:29:37 Oldham Athletic
Played: 40 Points: 50 Points Per Game: 1.25 Points Left Available: 18 Points Needed for 52: 2 Points Per Game Required: 0.33 Sheffield Wednesday Played: 39 Points: 47 Points Per Game: 1.21 Points Left Available: 21 Points Needed for 52: 5 Points Per Game Required: 0.71 Yeovil Town Played: 39 Points: 47 Points Per Game: 1.21 Points Left Available: 21 Points Needed for 52: 5 Points Per Game Required: 0.71 Tranmere Rovers Played: 38 Points: 43 Points Per Game: 1.13 Points Left Available: 24 Points Needed for 52: 9 Points Per Game Required: 1.13 Notts County Played: 37 Points: 42 Points Per Game: 1.14 Points Left Available: 27 Points Needed for 52: 10 Points Per Game Required: 1.11 Dagenham & Redbridge Played : 38 Points: 41 Points Per Game: 1.08 Points Left Available: 24 Points Needed for 52: 11 Points Per Game Required: 1.38 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Walsall Played: 39 Points: 40 Points Per Game: 1.03 Points Left Available: 21 Points Required for 52: 12 Points Per Game Required: 1.71 Bristol Rovers Played: 39 Points: 40 Points Per Game: 1.03 Points Left Available: 21 Points Needed for 52: 12 Points Per Game Required: 1.71 Swindon Town Played: 40 Points: 35 Points Per Game: 0.88 Points Left Available: 18 Points Needed for 52: 17 Points Per Game Required: 2.83 Plymouth Argyle Played: 38 Points: 33 (43) Points Per Game: 0.87 (1.13) Points Left Available: 24 Points Needed for 52: 19 Points Per Game Required: 2.38 6 wins will get us past 52. d-d-d-d-d-d-d-down Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: woolster on Saturday, April 2, 2011, 16:36:17 we need to win every game to hit 52, when this thread was started i thought we would achive it, my god we are shit
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Batch on Saturday, April 2, 2011, 18:00:15 I no longer wish this thread to exist. How do you ignore a thread?
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Arriba on Saturday, April 2, 2011, 18:58:32 we will struggle to get 42,let alone 52.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: pauld on Saturday, April 2, 2011, 19:03:38 I no longer wish this season to exist. How do you ignore a season? Fixed it for youTitle: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, April 2, 2011, 20:33:05 Will DVinho's spreadsheet explode when the Points Per Game Required figure goes above 3.00?
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: pauld on Saturday, April 2, 2011, 22:41:01 Will DVinho's spreadsheet explode when the Points Per Game Required figure goes above 3.00? No but DVinho mightTitle: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: BANGKOK RED on Sunday, April 3, 2011, 09:16:56 That's something I would pay to see.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: nochee on Sunday, April 3, 2011, 09:34:30 We woulnt reach 52 points if the season lasted until august. Will the last person to leave please turn the lights out, thanks.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Family at War on Sunday, April 3, 2011, 10:12:45 Said it weeks ago and yesterday changed nothing, we won't win another game this season as the the players self esteem and confidence is at a all time low. (oh also we are crap)
P.S. The psychologist brought in a few weeks ago is working a treat, heard he was a Wovers fan! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 11:45:13 No update after picking up 3 points at the weekend then. How strange, DV can't normally wait to bang on the stats confirming doom and gloom.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 11:49:32 Oldham Athletic
Played: 41 Points: 51 Points Per Game: 1.24 Points Left Available: 15 Points Needed for 52: 1 Points Per Game Required: 0.20 Sheffield Wednesday Played: 41 Points: 50 Points Per Game: 1.22 Points Left Available: 15 Points Needed for 52: 2 Points Per Game Required: 0.40 Yeovil Town Played: 40 Points: 47 Points Per Game: 1.18 Points Left Available: 18 Points Needed for 52: 5 Points Per Game Required: 0.83 Tranmere Rovers Played: 40 Points: 46 Points Per Game: 1.15 Points Left Available: 18 Points Needed for 52: 6 Points Per Game Required: 1.00 Dagenham & Redbridge Played : 40 Points: 44 Points Per Game: 1.10 Points Left Available: 18 Points Needed for 52: 8 Points Per Game Required: 1.33 Bristol Rovers Played: 41 Points: 43 Points Per Game: 1.05 Points Left Available: 15 Points Needed for 52: 9 Points Per Game Required: 1.80 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Notts County Played: 39 Points: 42 Points Per Game: 1.08 Points Left Available: 21 Points Needed for 52: 10 Points Per Game Required: 1.42 Walsall Played: 40 Points: 40 Points Per Game: 1.00 Points Left Available: 18 Points Required for 52: 12 Points Per Game Required: 2.00 Swindon Town Played: 41 Points: 38 Points Per Game: 0.93 Points Left Available: 15 Points Needed for 52: 14 Points Per Game Required: 2.80 Plymouth Argyle Played: 40 Points: 36 (46) Points Per Game: 0.90 (1.15) Points Left Available: 18 Points Needed for 52: 16 Points Per Game Required: 2.67 5 wins to go!! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Benzel on Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 12:08:37 We are staying up.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 12:41:42 We can't finish on 52 points any longer...
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 12:50:23 No update after picking up 3 points at the weekend then. How strange, DV can't normally wait to bang on the stats confirming doom and gloom. Sorry boss, I was sat on Lara Beach in Turkey all of the last week :) We can't finish on 52 points any longer... 38+15=53 Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: jayohaitchenn on Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 13:05:37 Looks to me like there are going to be 6 teams that finish with less than 50 points. Typical Swindon to get relegated from the shittest League One in 10 years.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: dave_bambers_right_sock on Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 13:06:17 In terms of relegation, I'd say we're at about 27 seconds on this at the moment... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9MytO0O_q0 Think they should make the team run out to this at the next 2 home games Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 13:13:33 38+15=53 I think reg meant that it's impossible for us to get exactly 52. You can't get 14 points out of 15 Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 13:14:53 Oldham 57
Sheffield Wednesday 56 Yeovil 54 Tranmere 53 Dagenham 52 Notts County 50 ---------------------------- Bristol Rovers 48 Walsall 46 Swindon 43 Plymouth 43 Obviously ppg will change between now and the end of the season but going on current ppg plus a bit of rounding up/down - current the table come 46 games would look like that!! 50 points being enough. We'll see, even to get to 50 we'd need 12 points from 15. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 13:16:01 I think reg meant that it's impossible for us to get exactly 52. You can't get 14 points out of 15 d'oh of course! but then before saturday we couldnt get 17 points from 6 games either Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 15:11:22 d'oh of course! but then before saturday we couldnt get 17 points from 6 games either And before that we only just managed 6 points from 17 games!! :D Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: THE FLASH on Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 15:25:52 I put my Calculator away after the Walsall, Muff, Daggers one two three with no win.....Its over.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Paolo69 on Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 15:31:08 Being an anorak and looking back at old league tables suggests that 50 points would have been enough in the majority of the last 10 years anyway.
Just the 4 wins we need then. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: THE FLASH on Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 15:34:36 Being an anorak and looking back at old league tables suggests that 50 points would have been enough in the majority of the last 10 years anyway. Just the 4 wins we need then. We will get three needing to win at Tranmere then in true Swindon style get butt fucked by the mock scousers! Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 15:46:12 Being an anorak and looking back at old league tables suggests that 50 points would have been enough in the majority of the last 10 years anyway. Just the 4 wins we need then. but no team goes down with 52 hence its the number to aim for. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 16:03:52 but no team goes down with 52 hence its the number to aim for. We went down with 52 in 81/82... Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 16:06:16 the previous poster was looking over the last 10 years.
81/82 wasnt within the last 10 years, Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Reg Smeeton on Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 16:08:42 the previous poster was looking over the last 10 years. 81/82 wasnt within the last 10 years, All very well, but your assertion stated that "no team goes down with 52" the temporal proviso was missing Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 20:44:47 Oldham Athletic
Played: 41 Points: 51 Points Per Game: 1.24 Points Left Available: 15 Points Needed for 52: 1 Points Per Game Required: 0.20 Sheffield Wednesday Played: 41 Points: 50 Points Per Game: 1.22 Points Left Available: 15 Points Needed for 52: 2 Points Per Game Required: 0.40 Yeovil Town Played: 41 Points: 50 Points Per Game: 1.22 Points Left Available: 15 Points Needed for 52: 2 Points Per Game Required: 0.40 Tranmere Rovers Played: 40 Points: 46 Points Per Game: 1.15 Points Left Available: 18 Points Needed for 52: 6 Points Per Game Required: 1.00 Dagenham & Redbridge Played : 41 Points: 44 Points Per Game: 1.07 Points Left Available: 15 Points Needed for 52: 8 Points Per Game Required: 1.60 Walsall Played: 41 Points: 43 Points Per Game: 1.05 Points Left Available: 15 Points Required for 52: 9 Points Per Game Required: 1.80 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bristol Rovers Played: 41 Points: 43 Points Per Game: 1.05 Points Left Available: 15 Points Needed for 52: 9 Points Per Game Required: 1.80 Notts County Played: 40 Points: 42 Points Per Game: 1.05 Points Left Available: 18 Points Needed for 52: 10 Points Per Game Required: 1.67 Swindon Town Played: 41 Points: 38 Points Per Game: 0.93 Points Left Available: 15 Points Needed for 52: 14 Points Per Game Required: 2.80 Plymouth Argyle Played: 40 Points: 36 (46) Points Per Game: 0.90 (1.15) Points Left Available: 18 Points Needed for 52: 16 Points Per Game Required: 2.67 Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Bumblebee on Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 22:30:58 DVinho - I think your monitoring of the points per game needed is great, but is there any chance you could add in a recent form points per game - so to perhaps look at the points per game for each team over the course of the last 5 games? This would give a better reflection of who is likely to pull out of the drop zone based on current form. I have a horrible feeling that if you consider this, there are already two teams who are on decent enough run of form that the bottom four may already be decided, even if we were to win 4 of the last 5 (which we wont - sorry just being realistic).
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 22:36:57 I could do and have done before.
We've been so far out of it for so long anyway I haven't seen the point. I also started with the whole bottom half of the table. Maybe after the next set of fixtures when 2 or 3 more teams pass 52 it'll be worth going into more detail. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: flammableBen on Tuesday, April 12, 2011, 22:46:12 So, if I'm working stuff right, I don't think we can make the playoffs anymore
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 01:34:56 We can't even make the top half.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: flammableBen on Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 02:52:59 I don't think we'll make the playoffs
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: wheretherealredsare on Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 07:58:38 I don't think we'll make the playoffs Think positive! We can make the League Two playoffs, maybe even automatic promotion!Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Saturday, April 16, 2011, 17:02:29 Yeovil Town
Played: 42 Points: 51 Points Per Game: 1.21 Points Left Available: 12 Points Needed for 52: 1 Points Per Game Required: 0.25 Tranmere Rovers Played: 41 Points: 49 Points Per Game: 1.20 Points Left Available: 15 Points Needed for 52: 3 Points Per Game Required: 0.60 Dagenham & Redbridge Played : 42 Points: 44 Points Per Game: 1.05 Points Left Available: 12 Points Needed for 52: 8 Points Per Game Required: 2.00 Walsall Played: 42 Points: 43 Points Per Game: 1.02 Points Left Available: 12 Points Required for 52: 9 Points Per Game Required: 2.25 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Bristol Rovers Played: 42 Points: 43 Points Per Game: 1.02 Points Left Available: 12 Points Needed for 52: 9 Points Per Game Required: 2.25 Notts County Played: 41 Points: 42 Points Per Game: 1.02 Points Left Available: 15 Points Needed for 52: 10 Points Per Game Required: 2.00 Swindon Town Played: 42 Points: 38 Points Per Game: 0.90 Points Left Available: 12 Maximum Points Total: 50 (can catch County, Rovers, Walsall, Daggers, Tranmere) Plymouth Argyle Played: 41 Points: 36 (46) Points Per Game: 0.88 (1.12) Points Left Available: 15 Maximum Points Total: 51 (can catch, Swindon, County, Rovers, Walsall, Daggers, Tranmere) [/quote] Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: DiV on Saturday, April 23, 2011, 17:02:19 Tranmere Rovers
Played: 43 Points: 50 Points Per Game: 1.16 Points Left Available: 9 Points Needed for 52: 2 Points Per Game Required: 0.67 Notts County Played: 43 Points: 48 Points Per Game: 1.12 Points Left Available: 9 Points Needed for 52: 4 Points Per Game Required:1.33 Dagenham & Redbridge Played : 43 Points: 44 Points Per Game: 1.02 Points Left Available: 9 Points Needed for 52: 8 Points Per Game Required: 2.67 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Walsall Played: 43 Points: 44 Points Per Game: 1.02 Points Left Available: 9 Points Required for 52: 8 Points Per Game Required: 2.67 Bristol Rovers Played: 43 Points: 44 Points Per Game: 1.02 Points Left Available: 9 Points Needed for 52: 8 Points Per Game Required: 2.67 Plymouth Argyle Played: 42 Points: 39 (49) Points Per Game: 0.92 (1.17) Points Left Available: 12 Maximum Points Total: 51 (can catch Rovers, Walsall, Daggers, Tranmere) Swindon Town Played: 43 Points: 38 Points Per Game: 0.88 Points Left Available: 9 Maximum Points Total: 47 (can catch Plymouth, Rovers, Walsall, Daggers) Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Ardiles on Saturday, April 23, 2011, 17:52:09 I was wondering what you were going to do when the points required/game went above 3.00.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: flammableBen on Sunday, April 24, 2011, 00:58:02 I thought he was going to give up and not come back.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: pauld on Saturday, May 7, 2011, 19:06:40 So, 48 points then, not 52. Not that it matters. But at least we snuck over the 40 line
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: mrverve on Saturday, May 7, 2011, 21:09:35 So, 48 points then, not 52. Not that it matters. But at least we snuck over the 40 line I think its 48 most years to be fair. The point is that its very rare to get relegated with 52. Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: flammableBen on Saturday, May 7, 2011, 21:12:21 How well did we match up to Wilson's Whitboard Wish-list?
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: pauld on Saturday, May 7, 2011, 21:35:16 I think its 48 most years to be fair. The point is that its very rare to get relegated with 52. Yeah I know that. The point I was trying to make (badly) was partly a backreference to DV's dogmatic insistence on a 50+ survival target this season when a lot of us thought it would be lower and partly that it may as well have been 762 for all the chance we had of reaching it.How well did we match up to Wilson's Whitboard Wish-list? Pretty badly. IIRC his whiteboard targets would have taken us to 63-odd points. But then he never got those flying unicorns he wanted eitherTitle: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: flammableBen on Saturday, May 7, 2011, 21:42:22 For fucks sake, if Wilson had spent less time fantasising about horny my little ponies then maybe we wouldn't have got relegated.
Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: BANGKOK RED on Saturday, May 7, 2011, 21:43:15 Everybody knows that unicorns don't fly.
He should have asked for a Griffin Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: pauld on Saturday, May 7, 2011, 21:43:55 Everybody knows that unicorns don't fly. Not naturally maybe but they're very trainable.Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: THE FLASH on Monday, May 9, 2011, 08:30:21 49 was enough!!
Heart breaking..... Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Fred Elliot on Monday, May 9, 2011, 08:33:00 Not naturally maybe but they're very trainable. which is more than can be said for the majority of our squad Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: Nick Bamosomi on Monday, May 9, 2011, 08:53:43 which is more than can be said for the majority of our squad :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick: Title: Re: the countdown to 52 Post by: tans on Monday, May 9, 2011, 09:17:35 Fuck sake dv even got this wrong...
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