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My head hurst but the last time I started one of these we drew so I'm going to have another crack at it. 3-0 Town in front of a 9k crowd - Austin 2 and Ritchie one and my head will fucking hurt loads. Happy new Year my arse/.

Well played. and pretty early for a new year.

I've been out twice with a little rest in between, so I'm quite well rested.

I predict a draw.

Good morning.

I don't us getting anything at The Valley so it's important to get something from this one! 2-1 win.

I feel a real convincing win coming on. We are not far away from clicking and with the transfer window open players paces are seriously up for grabs.

Start the new year with damp squib 2-1 defeat with Austin scoring and a sending offofone of our defenders and a 10,323 crowd.

Bournmouth are a good side. 2-0 them

Which is better for us, as we normally play better against good sides.

2-1 win, Austin & JP

They're a good passing side,but since they sold McQuoid they've been struggling for goals.

Our fullbacks need to be on their game today,as Pugh and Feeney are very useful.

Time to impose ourselves today.

Come on you Reds!

If we are going to do anything this season, these are the type of games we need to start winning.

However, I'm not overley confident, 1-1.

Both teams to score, Id go with 2-1 Swindon.

Hopefully we can get more fans than the Pox today as well.

I fancy us to get the 3 points today. Bournemouth are struggling for goals so we need to defend as tight as we did in the 2nd half against Posh and we'll be fine.

Oh dear, its morning and my guts and head hurt. I would not like to be sat behind me today - apologies for those behind V178 or therabouts in the DRS. Nemo - you're safe sat in front of me unless I get projectile.
Merrydown, port, white wine and champagne and an 8 hour session is not a good mix.

Yuck

Since ive become a fat bastard i seem to have lost my ability to drink

1-1

I've gone 3-2, enjoy the game everyone going

Happy New Year Dave.......see you soon :D

1-1 again today.

2-0 the town and we will play some of the sexiest football seen in years.

3 points infront of a big crowd to kick off the year would feel fucking massive today

could go either way really couldn't it, another draw would be depressing, I think we've got enough about us to pull a win out today infront of a lively crowd. up to us to get the atmosphere going early though!!

3-1 the superb reds...
 :I'm a complete mofleakin Deak

not optimistic. not that pessimistic either. Think we'll get a shit draw.

2-1 Swindon, Bournemouth are poor away from home and struggling for goals.

Very winnable match. Same team as midweek with Dossevi in upfront.

3 0 Austin hatrick, he's due one, then signs a new 25 year contract.

A good 2 or 3-0 win is whats needed, come on town lets see a return of our good passing football.

I'd be happy with two from him.  A hat trick is just as unlikely as the 25 yr contract of Douglas scoring. I want Douglas to score but kind of difficult if you are suspended as a result of a joke decision from a ref influenced by the oppositions bench.

3-1 Swindon, ..... Austin, Prutton, Sheehan

Massive massive game today. Win and we go within 2 points of 'muff and the chase is on, lose and it's over I fear. I know it's early for "do or die" games but today, new year, big crowd and all that, a good win and we could really have a go at the top six cos this league is average at best this year.

3-2 Town (Doss, Austin and Sheehan), 10k ish and a right old game

1-1 Austin for us

Pericard to hold the ball up well and bring others into play™

Think we'll win this by 2 goals.

your anti vince obsession is bordering on obsessive etc

I'm going to the football, you can say I told you so from your bedroom when pericard doesn't score

happy new year you twisted little fucker!

Dont know what gives you the impression I'll be sat in my bedroom?

I'll be there. He'll be shit. Nothing new.

New year, same old cunt. You not me.

Pericard isn't even starting

Thought I wasn't going to make it as train driver didn't turn up. Approaching Swindon now though to see a 2-1 victory along with 9,744 others

Yep, Ball for Pericard otherwise unchanged.

Whose going to hold the ball up now? WHO!?

Got the proverbial fishing rod out today haven't you!

Is O'Brien injured again? Or is Billy Bodin better? Or is he leaving?

Haven't heard anything about billy bodin leaving?

New year hopefully on the up 3-1 to us

Afternoon folks... Who's here? Embrace the chaos.

Are we winning yet...?

I've got the radio on but none of it is going into my head

fuck me i'm hanging.no way was i going to the game today.

penalty to bournemouth

save follow up goal. shit.

happy new year everybody. same old shit.

oh dear -here we go :cry:

last time we came from behind to win anybody?

i've lumped on 1-1 again.

Bejeebus.

glory be!we always play better when we're losing-dont we?

Well it wasnt this season or last!

I blame Vincent Pericard.

What was the penalty for?

I'm here and I have no fucking idea. Handball against Phil Smith?

yay

Get in

Huzzah!

Yesssssssssssssss  :clap:
     COME ON

Who scored?

Brighton away back in 08-09 season

Get in - let's break the hoodoo on Jan 1st!

Start as we mean to go on.

Cross by Ball, finish with his left foot by Ritchie

The train driver.

When does Ball's loan expire?

I thought it was very soon but don't know

Corr scores v pox

Beeb says handball by Frampton

Half-Time. All-Square.

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Well it could have been worse
We seemed to wake up a bit after they scored

Reassuring news!

I just hope we can end that unwanted statistic, win the game and move on!

That would be a great start to our resurgence.
Every time we go behind I hope we can break that record, maybe the new year is the time to do it

Sounds so quiet there today, very little atmosphere, at least we arent losing yet.

Started slowly, 'muff looked much more likely to score until they did & then we woke up & looked much better.

Tale of three penalty decisions.

Was shocked that he gave the one against Frampton, but if the keeper had done his job it wouldn't have mattered. That said Smithy was unlucky having saved the pen fir it to fall straight back to the guy taking it.

The foul on Ritchie looked to be clearly IN the area so would have been a pen.

The third was the one where the 'muff player was booked for diving, have to say couldn't really se it from here but looked like it might have been a foul.

1-1 probably a fair scoreline, as both teams have had good chances to score.

All we need now is a winner from Charlie

i thought it was for handball but pretty damn harsh if it was considering he was about a foot away when smith punched it at him!

Afternoon all.

How are we doing?

Pericard was dropped.

Frampton gave away a penalty.

Smith saved it.

Pugh scored the rebound.

Ritchie equalised.

Little talk since.

Sounds about right for this season so far.

A very good summing up I would say

Little to talk about Rich by the sound of the game.

Sheehan in trouble with the ref...

Yellow card.

Minor bit of excitement there

minor.

David Ball just got an elbow in the face.

I hope it does all kick off.

PERICARD ON DAVID BALL OFF

Ball off Pericard on

Come on Peri!

Vince on-cue boos!

I can imagine some of the faces in the stands.

:D

I know it was a shit pun but I am bored!

Oooooh pericard thwarted by a good save.

Very good!! :D

Ooooh-close,Vince!

How long left?

Ages yet

Caddis is playing well according to the radio.

Game opening up. Hopefully Wilson can do his job and calm them down so we can hold for the draw.

about 25 mins

Right. Off for a shower - Lots of goals while Im gone please (The majority for Town please!)

Austin trying hard.

Rose on Sheehan off

Timlin on for Ferry

Tick-Tock-Tick-Tock.

Timmy booked!

I'd rather see Dossevi or Bodin instead of Rose and Timlin. We need three points, and I would love to see Danny Wilson more offensive.

But I guess he knows whats he's doing, he's the manager - not me!

Yawn fest.

Late concede? I wouldnt bet against it unfotunately.

Am back and ready for a goal now please!

FFS 2-1 to them.

Fuck

Wilson out.

There we go.

Fucking Hell

I meant at the other fuckin end!

You should have kept quiet I think  :cry:

Christ almighty.

Time for Wilson to step down !

Fuck off :D

Yeah I know I should but it was coming by the sound of the game, 9 mins left.

Oh fuck-not more disappointment!

Looking forward to Charlton. What could be an execution.

It's just what we've come to expect these days I'm afraid

Useless fucking team

I agree. Wilson out. Fitton won't sack him however, and I really doubt that he will resign - so I guess we're in for Wilson's easy playing soft passing style the rest of the season and more.

He really needs to be more offensive. Just look at his use of substitutions. Once he didn't push for three points I knew we would loose it.

Wilson out. NorwayRed in!  :sherlock:

penalty! no. offside.

Huh?

Memo to Phil King-its fucking DOSSEVI!

He won't listen - I've been shouting that at him for weeks on the commentary!!

Seconded

Oh just blow the fucking whistle and end this shit.

Decent header from austin nobody there to knock it in.

Sigh.

 :badmood:

"You'd think they'll be a chance in the remaining three mins, could this be it?"
"No."

I'd prefer a more direct and offensive minded manager to be honest. But most of all I'd prefer a new set of players and a different line up. Wilson doesn't have a clue, as he doesn't pick the right team and subs.

Fed up. Sorry. Dire start of 2011 football wise! :cry: :doh: :I'm a complete mofleakin Deak :suicide:

i predict that we will get beat on monday and wilson will get the boot.
this season has been dismal.

Relegation looms heavily.

I never bet against Swindon, but Charlton are 4/5 to beat us

Surely that a gimme

I don't think you'll find many who will disagree with you

FACT: The trouble started with loosing Gordon Greer to Brighton. That was a bad move and two steps back.

My commentary has gone - Oh dear. What a shame.

Selling austin and getting some new players in seems like the best way to go

FT. Oh dear.

Great start to the year!

We are fodder.

Action required.

How angry will leaving the radio on to listen to Wilson's excuses make me?

Looks easy money I'm afraid.

Corr,Fallon,Alexander,Gnakpa,Eastwood,Jackson,Mohammed.All scored today.Thought that might help.

fittons decision.in hindsight the wrong one

Very.

Full time we are shit.Thanks Swindon HAPPY FUCKING NEW YEAR  :badmood:

what a load of bollox, if Wilson gets the boot who would we want to take over?

jake hyde also scored

Too angry - but fortunately I have lost my sound so won't be listening anyway
Don't do it!!

tried that with greer.epic fail.
no good buying the shit we have.they have to better what we have

Fitton has money and organisation skills, but doesn't have a clue about football to be honest.

Not only the decision to sell Greer. Remember who hired Maurice Malpas?!

FACT 2: Fitton has done wonders for the club, and salute to him for that - but we need a Football Director to oversee the football related stuff if we are going to be more than a back alley club in the lower regions of League One!

ANd Ashley Grimes

Someones left the mike on-might pick up something exclusive!

yeah but there is a differance of 1.75m. Greers transfer probably half of what we spent on the ferry  :doh:caddis deal.

Wilson out, fuck off, do 1. Along with the rest of the fucking team. Shit shit shit.

The sad thing is that I can't think of ANYONE else that I would want as a manager of Swindon Town FC!

Just heard someone laughing on there -
What the fuck anyone's got to laugh about is beyond me  >:(

At least make Wilson re-apply for his job. If there really isn't anybody else out their then he might has well keep it.

Just got in. Fucking shambolic  drawing 1-1 each then bringing on Timlin? Genius

do you think all that money will go on the team?
not a chance imo.
can wilson be trusted to spend whatever money he may get wisely?

Someone(obviously off air)has just said"the players aren't together"-spot on !

If wholesale changes are not made- then we are in for a relegation battle.

Wilson is a 1 season manager- great for a season then goes off the boil. Think he may have taken us as far as he can.

i think we would be better off going for a player/manager........who??? I have no idea

We are down in 18th place, just 3 points off relegation zone and most teams below us have games in hand.

Former hull manager steve brown would do

HOORAY :(

Wilson is a one season manager because he has one plan. We were worked out well before the end of last season and he hasn't adapted.

Didn't Lou Macari say he'd be willing to take the job on a temporary basis a few years back? I'd get him in and hope he gets the bug again, carrying on in a more full-time role. He'd sort the lazy fuckers out. Get the lot of them booked into an army camp.

I'm normally glass half full, but I'm starting to think that if we don't win at Charlton on Monday, then something needs to be changed, whether it be manager or some new players, we can't afford to be dragged into a relegation battle, it would put us back years. And I dont think AF would tolerate the thought of that with so much money being intended for the ground development.

My patience is over.  It's time to go Danny.  

This season has been an abortion.  Too many poor and mediocre signings, too many players underperforming, no recognised first eleven.  Signing Ball and Ritchie is not the answer either.  Without Charlie we are a bottom four team.

 

Clueless! He should have gone for three or nothing instead of one or nothing.  :badmood:

Bringing on Timlin and going defensive when we are drawing 1-1 at home. Sorry but that is fucking shocking and if a point at home is the limit of Wilson's expectations then he should walk.

It's fucking baffling bart.

i think we are already in a relegation battle now, and i dont see it changing while Wilson is in charge.

no ofcourse not but thats why the deal would be better half a million is enough but id rather it wasnt wilson spending it

This is brilliant-someone's just blamed Phil Smith!

I have to say... When I read that Timlin was on, I was immediately baffled.

I crossed my fingers for Ian Holloway back in the days when Malpas were sacked. Wasn't he in the running, or did he turn our interest down? I don't remember.

We need somebody with more than ONE IDEA. A manager who can counter other managers counter tactics. Wilson's teams always get played after a while, because he has just one idea. If that doesn't work and the passing doesn't flow - he's clueless. Just look at his history

:) Anarchy has its good points.

Spot on, one trick 3 legged donkey. Cunt

Listen to the bbc interview questions, I bet they have the excuses built in to them ready for Wilson.

RE: Bloomin' Holloway.

If Holloway was deliberately trying to ruffle feathers by turning up at the Town End then he was out of order. I wouldn't have employed him on that basis because Malpas hadn't been sacked at that point. He should've just waited.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I maintain that what he's done at Blackpool is no basis to suggest he would have done it at Swindon too.

Anyway, WE CANNOT AFFORD TO GET RELEGATED.

This club will be devastated by a return to League Two.

George burley has been sacked

Someone just unplugged shaun.

If the football's not depressing enough they now play that drawling bore-fest of a record.Doh!

PLAYERS ON GARAGE SALE TOMORROW:

David Prutton - utterly useless and probably the best paid player at the club
Michael Timlin - be honest, he should never got his contract extended. Top League Two class at his best.
JP McGovern - so he can pass 25% of the time and got most assists last year. Well, he's non-creative and mediocre. Let's face it
Kevin Amankwaah - useless and a fairweather johnson

Also send Ball and Frampton back. Useless!

sigh - I could go on...  :crash:

shall we have him?

Need something like ;Joy Division Oven Gloves' to cheer me up

we started off shit, improved a bit, then were even more shit than at the start.  more when I get back from pizza hut!

What are you going to have at pizza hut?

Agree with most of that but I think Ball could be useful with a run of games.Only young and that.

 :nod:   piccallilli shinpads!

And you know all this because you have seen them play? Fucking hell you spout some shit considering the only game you've seen in the last 3 years was that shit game in May.

He must be bloody psychic!

Poor today. Not much I can say really. Started slow again then got into the game and looked better. 2nd half we started well and were in control then we backed off, Wilson made some subs and Bournemouth seemed to put the pressure on then got the goal. After that we were truly woeful and totally clueless. The players didn't look up for it from the off sadly.

We need to get something at Charlton but we won't because we are dire away from home quite frankly. Many signings needed in January Mr Wilson and Mr Fitton.

i still think we have a team that could push for the play offs, Wilson is the problem, so this "garage sale" is bollox. The players need a massive kick up the arse and a manager with more than one game plan.

Has Wilson said anything yet?

I have seen the games vs. Crawley and Bristol Rovers this season on telly, the rest of the games as recap on STFC World and football programmes, read all match reviews at different sources and followed foras.

so I bet I have just as much knowledge about how they've been doing than somebody watching all the games live from Town End. You only see 1/4 of the pitch and probably are busy eating burgers half the time ;)

Much like the Peterborough game we were Crap to start but gained control through last 15 mins of the first half, even trying some through balls which were a little successful at times. However, in this game we threw the control away completely.

I've thought for weeks our season is over and we should spend January rebuilding for next season. But I'm now worried that unless something gives in the next two games we could be in real trouble.

Don't tell me that you think David Prutton is worth his wages, you guys watching him live week after week?

Hahaha Fight the power NorwayRed.

the ref was a cunt

prutton is very hit and miss, like the team. I think he is a good player, just performing way under his potential

My point exactly. Hitler was a good painter too. No comparences with Prutton what so ever, of course...  :I'm a complete mofleakin Deak

Play-off final showed us what we lacked and this still hasn't been corrected. The players are neither mentally or physically up for it at this level. Too many fair-weather and lightweight players.

Bollocks. We need a new manager that can get them playing not new players.

Fuck that, i don't go to matches. I just don't understand why you would come on here and make comments on players when you have only seen them less than a handfull of times - the Amankwaah comment is ridiculous anyway. He's been injured. Yes, he probably is a mediocre Johnson but i though this was league one all the players will be mediocre compared to others from the Prem. Austin is a mediocre Torres. Ferry, a mediocre Parker. I'm not even going to comment on whether Prutton is worth his wages cause i've only seen him once or twice (probably the same games you have actually) but with the lack of experience in the team when he signed i tihnk it was probably necessary - should gone for an experience centre back though.

:D

Always good to see Hitler used as a comparison.

I'm not the power, just an annoying cunt.

It wasn't in reference to your comments santasdead. Just his defence of slating our players on the basis of highlights and the occasional televised match.

pizza.  assuming the 12 year olds on duty can be fucked to do their job before 2012.

I thought Cuthbert and prutton were  our best players.

Wilson still not out for the interview.

Bollocks to that-Austin is better than Torres!

In my opinion we still need some players. Strikers aren't good enough. We lack depth in midfield and defensive options. However also in my opinion it's time for Fitton to back Wilson in the window and give him some scope for the new players (e.g. cash or extra wages) or it's time for Fitton to sack him. What's the point in carrying on without backing him?

We were bloody woeful today.  Bournemouth are certainly not the best side we're going to see here this season either, however it was clear from the off which team wanted it more.  They fought for everything, out battled us completely and made us look shambolic and lazy - which we undoubtedly were.

There are some serious problems there and I certainly wouldn't rule out a relegation dog fight.  The discipline was poor today.  Charlie in my opinion behaved like an absolute drama queen too.

What a depressing start to 2011.

Oh dear, season over now as far as I'm concerned

Danny on now

Yay, so im not the only one who thinks the comments are slightly unjustified - Even if they are the truth.

no fucking hindsight about it.

Anyway, that was never ever a penalty against us in a million years. Absolutely piss poor officiating. He should be shot for being so shit. For a while I thought he had genuinly given handball against Phil Smith.

We were against it from the off added to us being pretty shit anyway.

Then the subs, fucking hell.

...and Sheehan is a lucky boy, should have gone.

The biggest problem for me today was the basics.

Every time we had a throw in there was no movement and more often than not we lost the ball. Every time they had a throw in there was fuck all marking and they ended up with possession.

We were shit on pretty much every one of our corners. I've nothing against short corners but there never appears to be any plan, they just take it short and then realise they don't know what to do next.

I lost count of the number of times we just aimlessly hit the ball up the pitch and lost possession as a result. We'd win the ball back then do it again, then win the ball back and do it again.

With the penalty they had two players on hand to tap the ball in, where the fuck were our players?

None of this is rocket science, yet it seems to all go over Wilson's head. We've got no chance of promotion when we can't even take a fucking throw in or a corner kick without fucking it up and these are all problems that Wilson should be dealing with.

Amankwaah is injured now, but has been clueless the games I've seen him. Vs. both Bristol Rovers and Crawley on telly he was AWFUL! He can't position himself right. We need a new Nicky Summerbee at full back!

Oh, and of course I don't compare players to Premier League-names. When I say mediocre I mean mediocre compared to players at the level we are playing. Prutton has been mediocre this season. Austin is top class at this level. So are a few of our other players. The thought that comes to mind - is he here for the money or does he really wants to play football? He's been sent off twice and doesn't seem to bother at times...

We shouldn't have sold Greer anyway. That was the start of this downfall - and of course the fact that Wilson has just one idea of play, although he's tried different formations.

My main question to Wilson would be: Why Simon Ferry hasn't figured a lot this season, he was instrumental last season?

A summary would be appreciated when it finishes (please) :)

Amankwaah has not been the same player this season, like so many of them.

Maybe we need some extra players but we're not desperately short in any position.

Don't see any point in giving Wilson money to spend. Every single player we have he signed, he can't get them playing well so why would it be any different with further signings?

Thats exactly what we said too.  Smithy does his bit by saving it and then his team mates are just standing around expecting it to be scored first time.  No movement, no nothing and by the time it was too late, they had scored from the rebound.

Those idiots texting the radio saying Smith was crap need to seriously think twice before being allowed a mobile phone.

Wilson on the radio just then: "we're making progress"   :Ride On Fatbury's Lovestick:

He has lost the plot.

I've not read any of this thread yet, but here's my thoughts...

Phil Smith actually didn't have too much to do today. I couldn't tell whether or not it was a penalty, but he perhaps could have done beter. As for the second, you have to ask why he had the time to pull that effort off having mis-controlled.

Sheehan had a decent game. Cuthbert pleyd ok. Caddis didn't impress me hugely today. As a unit, the defence wasn't great. BUT I would lay the blame more with the midfield who let Bournemouth come at us again and again. Prutton and Ferry were absent throughout, JPM kept giving it away and Ritchie struggled to deal with being marked tightly. Austin was marked out of the game, Ball was kept quiet. In fact, I think Pericard coming on would have helped if the rest of the team were at the races. He was holding it up, playing people in and forced their keeper into a decent save when Caddis crossed.

The ref was poor. As I've said I couldn't see the penalty decision, but I'm not quite sure how their bloke got away with the arm/elbow in Austin's face. Also, the free kick given when Ritchie was fouled by the Town End was just inside the box. I think the big turning point of the match was when he let them get away with Austin incident. After that the ref had no control, our players lost the plot a bit (Charlie especially), and we seemed to lose our way.

Interesting to hear Wilson say this year's problems have come from losing key players (finally). Sounds like he's looking to bring people in now, having recognised the gaping holes. The next tow games will be huge - if we can get any points out of them then great. The real test will be the 3 games after that. We need to win 3 of the next 5 and it's not going to be easy. Hopefully Danny can get in the 3-4 players we need, otherwise 15th will be the best we can hope for.

No offence but the only comment you've made that is worth the internet space its going to be displayed in is the comment about Greer.

Ferry has been injured. Amankwaah has had a poor season but you've just conveniently ignored 40+ games from last season which you didnt even see.

....and if you've not seen Prutton more than twice I wouldnt judge either - again he's been hit and miss but you wouldnt know that.

Errr. I've forgotten it all already. It was quite long.

Wilson;Inconsistent,Smith should have caught the ball rather than punch before the pen,lost too many good players from last season,too nervous on the ball,poor decisions when in possession,hopefully Ritchie will be a Town player,not too hopeful of keeping Austin,confident of turning it around.
Fitton;leading teams are not too far ahead,not desperate for players,hopefully getting Man Utd players on loan(??!!)must get players out on loan(no names!)Ritchie WILL be a Town player,Wilson WILL stay.

Doesn't sound too promising.

Thanks adje.

Interesting points.

Pretty boring and predictable:
- Team inconsistent
- Baffled by inconsistency
- Monday is a big game
- Would like Ritchie to stay
- Intimated that Ball would have fitted in last year in a confident team, but is not the type of player needed this year
- Again intimated that any signings were likely not to 'exciting ones' but more likely to be solid players who knew their limitations and jobs on the pitch.
- Talked about poor decision making and not dealing with balls in the box
- Talked about not creating much
- No change on Austin. They want Austin to stay and Wilson wants to find someone to play alongside him.

Think that was about it.

Fitton is a sensible chap, balanced head with a shrewd business view of everything.
He sounds firmly behind Wilson (not in the vote of confidence sense either)

That was fucking dire today, but the man at the top has the club's best interests at heart, and the bigger picture in constant view, for the first time I can remember. Keep the faith.  :I'm a complete mofleakin Deak

yeah pretty forgettable. I just remembered him admitting that he's not bulletproof.

it was basically the same thing Wilson says after every defeat

I miss King.

Batfink for manager

The 'not too hopeful of keeping Austin' was said more in the context of:

We'd like Austin to stay. We don't want him to go. But the more that he scores the harder it is to keep hold of him. The club has lost 3 stikers in the last couple of years, which are not easy to replace. The club position is that they are trying to keep him and have offered a contract extension that is with him. Ideally they would like to keep him and find someone to partner him.

Finally, when asked whether he could get Swindon out of this mess, Wilson confidently replied that he had got the club out of a similar position when he was brought in 2 years ago.

That annoyed me a bit. Far to chirpy. I would have pointed out that his predecessor got sacked for getting us into that position.

TBH i thought the better team won today. Bournemouth worked hard for the ball and did a good job of closing our danger players down.

Charlie Boy was completely marked out the game as was Ritchie.  Prutton far better going forward than he did defensively but then that's the type of player he is.  I like Ferry but last 2 games he seems to be a passenger.

Not one of JPM's better games today his distribution was poor

Defensively we weren't great but i've seen us worse. Sheehan was a lucky boy today.  I think Frampton deserves another month at least.

Overall you reap what you sow and that is certainly the story to our season. I know it sounds pessimistic but i cant see us doing anything more than mid table with the current set of players but i'll be there as always giving the team my support

yeah something frustrating about listening to wilson after match interviews, he's almost asking all the same questions we are like why we can't boss the midfield etc, why we can't string three passes together, when those are the sort of questions he should be giving us the answers to surely!

it was good to hear fitton directly afterwards, as I thought it gave insight to the mood at the top, obviously they're not happy, but a hint of the bigger picture was a refreshing reality check.

what did fitton say?

I'm talking about this season, not the last season. Amankwaah was good 3/4 of last season, but still far away from Summerbee-class and a full back that I would love to see. I want Swindon to play hug the touchline, and Amankwaah's problem is positioning - mostly defensive. He's pretty good going forward.

But of course, I just bow to your Royal precense, Dave. You seem to know the answer to it all. Dave for manager!

Wilson out, Dave in!  :D

Yep, and he moaned about losing players - then why on earth hasn't he replaced them?

That was the first thing I thought as well. Strange one that.

That's the angriest I've got at a football game for some time. I'll try and put my thoughts down in some sort of logical babble

- Untill Bournmouth scored They looked one of the best teams i've seen this season. Then they got the penalty, for what I really do not know, and sort of sat back. If they'd have kept going they could've cruised it.
- The goal woke us up and for the rest of the half we were the better side without really creating that many chances. Goal was a nice bit of link up play between bell and ritchie. The best thing Ball did all day. He looked off the pace which is too be expected; his loan must be up soon, doubt we'll see him in a town shirt again.
- Second half began, both teams hussled and bustled but not really that much quality on show. Then there was a ten minute spell where it really looked like it was going to boil over - the ref really lost control. Typified by the sheehan incident, when It happened i thought sheehan was off, but it looked to my eyes as if the bournmouth player had lashed out first. So for sheehan to get a yellow and the bournmouth lad to not even get spoken too was strange. The ref had a very poor game for both sides.
- Pericard came on for ball, ran around like a madman for five minutes. Had our solitary chance on target of the half, denied only by a good save by their keeper.

Now, this is the bit where I begin to lose it. Timlin comes on for Ferry. What. The. Fuck. Mr Wilson, what on earth are you trying to achieve with this substitution. Ferry didn't look injured, and Timlin is dire. A league two player, who should be nowhere near our team.

Bournmouth have a 5 minute spell inside our half, culminating in a goal. Decent finish by their bloke, though he should NEVER have been allowed to get away with it. We didn't clear it, and nobody got close to him. He could have turned and saved himself the acrobatics if he'd have bothered.

There's about 10-15 minutes left at this point. We continue playing the same tired system, with the same tired players holding the same areas of the pitch. Forgive me for resorting to Caps Lock, BUT IT HASN'T FUCKING WORKED SO FAR, SO WHY THE FUCK WILL IT WORK NOW. Didn't try anything. We persisted with the flat back four, with timlin and prutton so deep they may aswell have been holding Smiths hand. We tried nothing. No attempts to switch to three at the back. No attempts to 'Do a Kingy' and lump the big players up there to win a header. Nothing. We just laboured along, banging our head against the wall. Bournmouth we're laughing.

This is my biggest gripe with wilson. For one reason or another he cannot, or will not, change the team during the match. He's so tactically naiive as to be embarrising. He appears to have lost the ability to motivate the players. Bournmouth went two one up not because they were outplaying us (both teams were trudging along not really doing anything of note), they won it because they wanted it more. Our players look as if they don't care. Austin is, pardon the pun, turning into a big time charlie. His histrionics today were laughable and he should be ashamed of himself. The only player who looked decent today, who actually looked as if he gave a crap, was Frampton. The rest should be ashamed.

One thing is clear - playing like we are, our attempts at slick passing football, are not working. Teams have us sussed, and have done in all honesty since last April. We need a change in approach, be that mental or tactical, and I do not believe at this stage of his career wilson has that in him.

- League is tight - Top teams haven't pulled away like previous years
- Need to average 2 points per game to get promoted
- Our run last year started on Boxing Day. We need to start averaging 3 points per game
- Ritchie to become a permanent signing
- Frampton to extend loan: Not buying on strength of only 2-3 games
- Wembley last year was a high and low point
- Charlton 1st leg was highest point last year

Fuck me, that's a lot of words

I doubt Fitton will be happy with Wilson moaning for losing players. I can only think of Greer that has been a significent loss from our permanent squad last season, and if the truth is to be found on TEF it was Fitton's idea to accept the bid from Brighton.

Hence: Wilson is not happy with Fitton

i thought a draw would have been fair. we didn't create too much which was disappointing.

i think the ref was utterly useless. i can't see how a penalty was given to bournemouth and how we didn't get one.
pearce and the other centreback spend most of the game on austin's shoulders but let them get away with it.
sheehan is either a fucking idiot or a clever man. he either lost his cool or knew the ref's a fucking spastic and took advantage of the situation

i don't think that we can better wilson with regard to stature or history but on the current form i think maybe trying out someone like bmuff did with Howe might be a good idea.

We play in L1 now - none of the right backs are going to be Summerbee class. Amankwaah was good all of last season, apart from Wembley - he even played through alot of games injured last season and still played well.

Its not royal presence, just presence - I must have seen (using Amankwaah as the example) him play about 50-60 games for us. I think your assumptions on 3 or 4 games are wrong.

....and yes, I should be manager.

For those who wonder why the town never come back from behind it's becoming increasingly obvious now. As soon as Bournemouth went 1-up there seemed to be a bit of urgency around the Swindon players which wasn't there at the start of the match. The equalizer comes and the momentun goes. It's almost like the players think they are in a "safe-zone" and deem in unnecesary to push on for a goal to go ahead.

He has but with higher paid worse players. Also i would prefer him not to play players just to prove a point to there parents clubs(ball)

Well put! I totally agree on all parts of this brilliant reflection!

Not our top goal scorer?

thanks for that.

he only stated the blatantly obvious then.
answers nothing really.

Good words dave.

e: stfc variety that is. DV is being a prat.

I hope we don't spend most of our budget on Ritchie. Goal aside, he was wank today and has been for a while. Seems scared to take on players and get balls into the box. Concentrate on a centre half and striker.

I thought the best player on the pitch was the Bournemouth centre half with the bandage round his head. He was superb, won everything and didn't give us a sniff. Austin more than met his match with him.

You should be manager: True

You've seen him live more than me: True

You can of course also base comments about what you read and hear too. Secondhand source material of course, but anyway I have made my assumptions not on only the games I've seen on telly. That would be stupid.

Also I believe we can attract players with the capability like Summerbee. He wasn't a great PL-player. He was a good 1 div (Championship) player and that's the sort of players we need to attract to even be bothered to be dreaming for a promotion from League One. Or else we could just of course be happy with being in the lower halfs of League One, if that's what you like.

Now bring on monday and another game on telly here in Norway - so I can have another banter after the game come monday night  :D

oh and another thing that annoyed me - when the footballing god that is Lee fucking bradbury came on why did the ref wait until he was in position to allow us to take the throw? it seemed weird

Can you stop arguing about players who didn't fucking play you mongs

Am i the only person who thinks he is crap? Better than o'brien yes, but not actually any good

so, that would be all of them then?

I don't really rate him tbh doesn't really have much pace and is pretty useless at defending. Best we've got in that position at the moment but no where near the £150k transfer fee that has been banded around

Utter. Fucking. Tripe.

I assume the majority of the players (Smith and Sheehan aside) were out on the piss last night as it's been a long time since I saw such a lethargic and disinterested performance. Wilson should fine the lot of them, or at the very least charge them 20 quid each as they seem to have attended the game as spectators. The rebound from the penalty summed it up for me - they had 3 players straight on the ball, we had 5-6 stood gawping.

Oh, and NR, I admire the efforts you go to to follow Town, truly I do, but you can't seriously believe you can get a balanced view on an individual player's contribution from watching 3-4 mins of highlights every week and a couple of live (on the telly) games

to anyone who still (and there are plenty on here) moan about those of us who diss Vincent Pericard, just go into the club shop and buy the video of todays game
The bournemouth fans (and players) were wetting themselves with laughter at his ineptitude.
Juventus????? Fray Bentos maybe.
Gotta go. Nuff said.
Surely even wilson cant defend him any more......

Pericard was not the worst thing about todays performance. Nowhere near. He wasn't good, but there was so much more which was bad

Well today was an absolute shambles and anyone who can take anything positive from it, needs their head reading.  We were disorganised, uncommitted, devoid of ideas and quite honestly deserved nothing from the game.  There is clearly no team togetherness or leadership either on or off the pitch and that for me is the real worry.  Anyone who was still there after the final whistle, couldn't have failed to notice the huddle that the whole Bournemouth squad and management team went into for a good few minutes before celebrating as a team and then going back to their fans.  That's the spirit we are completely lacking and have been all season.  


Give the bloke a medal.  It's taken him 6 months to realise what the majority of us identified a month into the season.  Quite frankly I've lost patience with him now and genuinely believe that he will take us no further than mid table mediocricy or worse, into League 2. He needs to go before it's too late.  As pointed out previously his managerial record generally seems to read one good season followed by one poor one.  More often than not he's been clueless in formation and selection decisions and completely devoid of ideas.  Why on earth did he start with Ball today when the lad hasn't even been getting on as a substitute in recent weeks?  As Ball himself said after the match, he was knackered because he's not been playing?  Timlin on for Ferry?  I know Ferry wasn't playing well, but another ridiculous decision, Timlin is never going to change a game or were we playing for a point by then?

It’s interesting to hear Fitton backing Wilson as well.  I wonder how long that will last as the crowds begin to twindle as more and more people lose interest in a season that at the moment is heading for a relegation battle and nothing else.

If we include the last 6 games from last season, we have picked up 31 points from a possible 81.  Under Malpas, over the same number of games (27) across the back end of 2007/08 and into 2008/09, his record read 31 points from a possible 81!  Enough said.

What channel is it on? I think I'll need to find a pub

First of all I will never start another thread again.... ever. Second of all, the fucker with the drum should be shot - apart from it being gay they are no respecter of fucking hangovers.
Now to the game, the ref was a complete cunt but actually less of one than our team. New year, new decade, same old Swindon. Bournemouth were shite and we were a lot worse. What the fuck was going on - lumping it up to Austin so he could knock it on to ???? Defensively we were fucking useless. The throw in to the front post did us twice. Their second goal was a disgrace how the hell can you let a lumpy lardy sack of shit have that much room. Didn't see the penalty.
Ritchie was taken a yard inside the box but not given.
The only 3 players I would give any credit to today are Smith, Prutton and Cuthbert - the latter being MOM for me. I'dl ike to see the penalty incident again but it loked to me like Smith came and didn't get the ball. Saying that you can't do much more than stop the resulting penatly and he did nothing else wrong. Prutton earned his money purely because he put a shift in - he was crap but at least ran.
Now the bad ones. JPM had an absolute shocker as did Caddis. Frampton was not very good today. Charlie was shite but is he now expected to play the target man and still knock them in. Ferry was dogshit but fucking hell going off for Timlin when we're 1-1 at home against a team of time wasting wankstains. Ball and Ritchie were both crap albeit they linked well for the goal. Theres' not a chance in hell I'd pay £150k for Ritchie - £250k for Noone looks pretty good value to me for the GayBoys.
Overall that was totally inept from start to finish. The majority of the players couldn't give a fuck and tactically we were useless. Has Wilson lost the dressing room because it looks it to me?
At this moment in time Wilson and his coaching staff can fuck right off as can all the players bar Austin, Cuthbert and Douglas. This team needs a total rebuild.
Now do I keep off the beer and do the sensible thing and get pissed again. I am fucking hugely fucking angry.

and another thing - I don't fucking trust Wilson on the transfer market in January. Look what he signed this year - Pericard, Rose, Dossevi, Ferry, Caddis - all of them utter fucking crap this season.

I think he has hence he needs to go, How can Fitton keep backing this man? With the squad we have we should be doing so much better.

Indeed, alot more things worth critiquing and moaning about today.


Some even earlier than that!

I couldn't agree more, Pericard and in particular Dossevi have been shocking signings, Plus he has hardly played Ferry this season until now and only because Douglas is suspended.

Then again maybe a better manager would get more out of them?

Well I read match rapports and match treads on online newspapers, the official site and not at least the TEF!

Wouldn't you say that TEF gives me a balanced view on the individual players' contribution??   :hmmm: TEF is brilliant, don't you agree?  :D

On the serious note: If I were british and lived in Swindon I would of course watch every game possible, and not bother to follow the TEF Match Tread for the games. Now it's like that that I'm norwegian, live in Norway and happens to love a football team far away - now that won't stop me from airing my views although I of course know for a fact that I can't and don't have the first hand source material (watching games live week in, week out) that you guys have.

Last year, actually :) All of them, though, players we all thought would play well on the basis of reputation, past exploits and in Ferry's case of what we'd seen he could do. This is what worries me most - it's not the signings so much as we seem to be turning good players into indifferent/mediocre ones

Grow up

Happy new year, Sonic Youth! Enjoing Norway?

The match is on Sky sports 1HD, so you have to find a pub broadcasting that channel. If you are in the Lillestrom-area that is probably: Martins or RePUBlic.

There will be pubs in Oslo showing the game, look for a pub that has Sky Sports-membership. Not every sportspub has it.

Check this link for a full list of football pubs: http://www.fotballen.eu/Emner/pub.html

ironic comment from a midget :)

No it's full of tossers like me who's opinion I wouldn't trust on the colour of their own pants.

Sure and I've already said I completely admire the effort you put in. Tremendous. But I don't think you can judge individual player's performances on the necessarily very small amount of exposure you are able to get
Nor should it. I go to about 30+ games a season and still trot out utter bilge on what I've just seen every week so your views deserve an airing as much as anyone else's.

Agreed and that's down to Wilson.

Good point but my brain hasn't moved into this year yet. I left it in bed when I got up this morning. Its a shame I couldn't do the same with my guts and arse which have been volcanic today.

Stimson of Barnet has been sacked today as well.

I just went through the list of all the 92 league clubs. About 45 clubs have managers that have been at the club less then a year. Danny Wilson is in fact in the higher regions of the marathon table.

Only 12 of 92 clubs have managers that has been at the club for 4+ years!

How good really is our squad though?

It's not as good as people seem to think. 2/3 players away from a squad capable of promotion but without them it really isn't all that.

Only one decent striker. No experienced defender. Lack of creativity in midfield, yes it looks alright on paper but they are all too similar - Prutton is a poor mans Douglas, Timlin - a league 2 player, and Ferry who is of course a very capable player but not creative.

We want a winner and who does he bring on? Micheal fucking Timlin, who I don't think is of any use when protecting a lead, let alone looking for a winner. Why did he not throw Dossevi on? Even at 2-1 down he was reluctant to throw the bigger boys up there from the back.

My point exactly. My views are in that category as well. Based on 3-4 games a season on tv, highlights, interviews and match rapports, it seems that I fit that bill too, doesn't it?

So of course I can can judge individual player's performances on thevery small amount of exposure I am able to get, right?

 :sherlock:

Godt nyttår :) I'll try Lillestrøm otherwise it'll be a Monday night in Oslo I think. I'd forgotten about it being on TV... Thanks.

Cheers.

Well, just don't bring any friends to watch the game unless they are Swindon-fans. It might be pants!  :headhurts:

Come on Swindon!

I don't think that was quite as apolocalyptically bad as some have put across on here, but it's a long way from ideal and another fucking game where we can't come from behind to win- it's easy to dismiss that as a stupid stat but it backs up the lack of a plan B and seems so far to be the story of our season.

I'm still in the Wilson in camp for now, but we need to get a serious grip on where we're going and fast.

It's anything but a stupid stat when we're rapidly approaching 2 years since we last managed it!  As soon as we go a goal behind, we all then know that's any chance of 3 points gone.  I'm sure other teams in the league are probably aware of the fact we don't ever win after going behind either?

Wont be long before we start bringing Morrison on up top!

Well that was shit!

Where is our fighting spirit gone??   Nothing....gutless...

Bournemouth are an OK team who play to their strengths very well and are well organised AND have a fighting spirit.....look at the old Lunker Fletcher up front...was a pain in the arse all day without looking like he was going to score.

We in comparison are piss poor in all departments.

Look over your shoulders ......cause thats where we are going to be.

Relegation dogfight time...

I hope Pericard stays becaue if he doesnt Wilson is fucked.....got the blame for defeat today listening to the clueless pricks outside the TE and if he goes it will be Wilson as the target.

AND....dont whine about the ref as he was shit for both sides.

Finally back from Pizza hut. I had a tuscani something or other followed by cookie dough for desert. Very nice indeed.

Now onto the game. Which can be summarised by this : shit.

I got to the ground and found that Ball was starting instead of Perricard. I was quite pleased by this, been wanting to see what they (Austin and Ball)  can do together for a while. Should have known better.  It didn't help when we were turned to attack the Town End first half. I hate that.

We started the game badly, we were out muscled and out fought by Bournemouth and it came as no surprise when Bournemouth took the lead. I am not 100% sure what happened in that one. I thought Smith had punched/flapped it clear then the ref pointed to the spot. I am told somebody (Austin) elbowed the ball before Smith got there. Anyone enlighten me?

Anyway it seemed to wake us up. I thought Prutton played extremely well given his utter gash performance a few games ago. But we still seemed intent on knocking the ball long far too often.

We got the equaliser when Ball pulled the ball back to Ritchie, who side footed it powerfully and accurately home.

Right time to kick on and get the winner. We had them under pressure with corner after corner it was surely a matter of time.

Then Ritchie got fouled in the box. But the Helen Keller ref decide that because Ritchie fall ended outside the  of the area he wasn't going to give the penalty. 'Tardtastic.

Half time comes and goes. Note to self. Bring your own refreshments next time because £3.60 for a Bovril and an Oasis is taking the piss. Even a litre of petrol is cheaper.

Second half was initially much the same, both teams huffing and puffing but getting nowhere. or defence was not well protected an personally I think was doing well to break up the 'muffs attacks as they were often stretched and under pressure.

Mr Magoo in the blue wasn't helping as fouls were going unpunished. It came to a bit of a head when a late challenge on Sheehan ended up with Sheehan retaliating for what should have been a straight red. But it wasn't, the ref gave yellow. Austin also took a flailing arm in the chops. Not sure whether it was intentional or not, but the ref refuse to stop play. This started the degradation in Swindon's standard of play.

The winning goal came when the defence I praised in the last paragraph failed to clear a throw in, instead allowing the #5 enough time and space to have a picnic before swivelling on the ball to stear home a fine finish (for a centre half).

Still enough time to win. We had our subs on, Rose for the injured Sheehan, Perricard for the slightly lightweight Ball and Timlin on for, well, answers on the back of the postcard. Just after Perricard came on we had our  best bit of Town football. McGover flicking the ball over the top of Caddis (?), the cross fining Perricard who hit a low well placed shot into the bottom corner, until the keeper stuck his leg out to clear.

And that was as good as it got. We ran totally an utterly out of steam. Nothing in the tank. We were back to being outfought and outplayed. Austin became a prize twat falling over a lot and shooting from impossible angles and distance. Perricard was Perricard. Timlin was Timlin. Prutton played deep. Ritchie went missing (for large parts of the game actually), McGovern was dead on his feet - his head told him to pass one way, his feet disobeying. The defence did OK again but that's irrelevant.
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In summary I'd say Smith, Sheehan, Cuthbert and Prutton did well today. Caddis, McGovern tried hard. The rest were largely passengers. So naturally Ritchie was given MOM :facepalm .

The problems are threefold.
1. The defence isn't quite where it was last year (but looks to be improving, hardto say for sure).
2. The midfield is a big problem area. We can't seem to get the ball down and play football. We need to do this as we can't out-muscle teams, we need to outplay them. But we are hoofing too much.
3. If Austin is off form we don't have any strikers to take the pressure off.

Is there a typo in that somewhere?

Smith came out and got a one handed punch on it, the punch went downward and hit Frampton who was stood about 2 yards away max on the shoulder.

The ref then gave a penalty, Caddis seemed to be the one arguing the cause and the ref did an odd elbow signal. Caddis from what I remember was infront of the Bournemouth player (probably Fletcher) who was infront of Smith.

BBC had it down as handball against Frampton.

I think he's given handball against Phil Smith?!

Read it again...

Thanks. I think. I'm sure the football league show highlights will clear it up!

Bournemouth fans seem to think Austin handballed it.

I dont remember him even touching it?

I dont even care. I'm more pissed off that none of our players could be bothered to try and get to the ball first on the rebound.

My mate said at the time it could've been for handball against austin. I can't really say though

Oh I see now. Ooops.

Think the ref was signaling the players arm was raised and that was the reason he gave it. Looked harsh to me, but if your arms are anywhere other than by your side and the ball hits them there is always a chance of it being given.

Even if the ref did get it wrong, if our players had run in on the penalty rather than stand on the edge of the area scratching their arses they might have got to the rebound first and cleared it.

Yea I thought it was Austin at the time as well but wasn't certain.

Agree with a lot of what has been said but one of the key reasons I thought we struggled today was because we couldn't cope with the perfect lesson in playing as target man that Fletcher put on. Frampton was on him but had fairly big size disadvantage so we should have been focused on winning the 2nd ball but we weren't. We got by a bloke nearing 40 years of age.

Town players didn't get near the penalty rebound because the bloke who got there first had exactly 10 yards headstart on them.

Wilson is going to need a productive transfer window to get us moving in the right direction for 2011/12.

*Posting before reading*

Today was absolute garbage. The difference in work-rate, desire, commitment and tempo was shocking.

Smith - Fucking dogshit. Flapped for the first goal, got no where near the throw in for the second. He should be banished for ever to a dark cave until he can kick a fucking football though! He spends every day kicking a ball but can't do it? seriously? Gks now touch the ball more with their feet than their hands, it's a massive part of the game, and more often than not his kicks result in a throw in or a goal kick. Just pick out your CF!

Caddis - superb defensively against Pugh, but not good on the ball. No where near the worst performer though.

Sheehan - Again not too bad, but lucky to stay on the pitch from where I was sat.

Cuthbert - the very best of an average bunch at the back.

Frammo - Terrible first half, never got to grips with Fletcher and certainly not the answer.

Ferry - Great engine, lacked quality on the ball somewhat but wasn't helped by Prutton at all.

Prutton - Just gave the ball away so many times, never really done anything worthwhile bar a few tackles.

JPM  - Terrible

Ritchie - Great first half and a super goal but faded badly like normal.

Austin  - Worse performance for a long time. Spent far too long diving and moaning, and not enough time doing what he's paid to do. I know it's Charlie and we're not allowed to slag him off, but he deserves no credit for today.

Ball - Did he play? bar the assist, absolutely nothing.

So so depressed after today. A great opportunity to make a statement, start the year well, kick on - whatever you want to call it - but we were awful. They're not better than us, very few sides in this league are, but they wanted it more. They closed us down, forced us to give the ball away and wanted everything more than us. The togetherness and morale in their camp is so obvious, like we had last year, but we have nothing now. No spirit, no fight, no leadership and no bollocks.

A couple of other things. Why do we blame the ref when we're shit? He was no worse of better than normal. And our fans were rubbish, negativity from the 1st minute and, as much as I don't rate him, booing Peri on to the pitch (by a small minority) takes the piss.

Happy New Year

They didn't even get near the penalty spot, because they didn't move from the edge of the area. Not one of them. Just stood and watched.

There's not much I can really add to what STFC Dave said. I agree wholeheartedly with his summation.

I don't know whether Austin was trying to prove a point to B'mouth today, or just frustrated with his lack of chances, but what the fuck was he on?! Throwing himself on the floor on more than one occasion, leaving the boot in, trying absurd shots from outside the area. I didn't think Charlie was like that. Might've put a few scouts off though I suppose.

Indeed, he had a 10 yard head start but was 16 yards ahead when he tapped it in.

Mate, we dont blame the ref for the teams performance, which was shit.  But the ref was a fucking disgrace.  Got everything wrong.  Much worse than the shit standard we usually have.

Not so much that he got things wrong but that he clearly lost control of the game. From the moment Austin went down it was clear that that passage of play was going to end in some sort of flare up, so blow up for the injury to the head and give everyone twenty seconds to calm down, even if you don't think elbowing in the face is a booking.

i don't think anyone is hiding behind the shit reffing, but it's just something fun to moan about and try to forget charlie misplacing a few passes

What about the other player that was stood right next to him when he tapped it in. If he could get there, why the fuck couldn't one of our players?

So having watched a near 40 year-old big lump of a target man give our defence a hard time all game, please can someone explain why we have Pericard.

He has the same Physical attributes as Fletcher, and you would hope with the age (and presumably) fitness advantage that he could be able to do the very same thing to the opposition as Fletcher did to us.

And it's that very reason why he gets a hard time, he's a big old unit but just doesn't seem to want to get stuck in. He just doesn't have the work ethic required to play 3rd Division Football.



As for the game, started shit, got better, went back to being shit again.
Ref was crap (as usual), but that doesn't hide the fact that we were poor.

I know we shouldn't be comparing this season to last, but as last season was relatively successful maybe we should look at it to work out what's going wrong.

The spine of the team last year Lucas, Greer, Douglas, Paynter, All missing today, and none that have been adequately replaced.
Now Lucas (if he can ever get/stay fit) & Douglas are to come back into the team, but the other two need to be replaced.

Is Frampton the answer, too early to tell.
Is Pericard the answer, obviously not.

Sorry, I have not read the thread in its entirety.

In all honesty I have had better things to do, so I apologise to anyone that I have plagiarised or anything.

Right. I have had enough.

I hate to say it but Wilson needs to go and he needs to go now. Not next week. Now

There are obvious factions in the camp that he cant heal.

Substitutions that are meant to change the game, quite frankly dont.

Lets face it, the signings he has made this season are quite frankly a waste of fucking skin, and I would not give him £5.00 and send him down the shops for a packet of fags, yet alone dabble in the transfer market

I am completely cunted off with the same dour rhetoric that spews out of his gob every week.

Either get the team to play together, (which you fucking cant can you ?) or fuck the fuck off !

Deluded

He should not have to kick every ball if the fucking lazy fucking cunts in front of him gave him a few fucking options. I felt sorry for him today. I thought he played well but was forced to hoof all the time because we have got a team full of cunts who dont give a flying fuck

Also, I thought he dealt well with some horrendous back passes he received today from Prutton and Ferry.

I also think (and could be wrong) he has been instructed to kick it to Pericard (when he is playing)

Agreed but for the love of God I hope we are wrong mate

Thought I might get some stick for that. He can't kick though, never has been able to. I can't remember him doing doing much of note as neither side created a great deal.

We can wax lyrical about Wilson going now all we want but the club have very swiftly come out and said that this will not happen. So we all need to accept that unless we get absolutely dicked at The Valley (which, let us be honest, could happen) he will remain.

Wilson's form of keeping Town up in 2009 and getting us to Wembley in 2010 has certainly worked in his favour.

It's a 'results business' and we are lacking but sacking probably isn't prudent.

I honestly don't know. I've spent most of this evening pro-Wilson but I don't know whether we can further ourselves under him.

I hate us being shit and one thing is for sure I don't want us going down into League Two.

Now you are talking rubbish.

Smith has always been able to kick and kick well, which is why I think he is following instructions as to where/who to kick it to.

Sometimes your pass is only as good as the person receiving it.

Our best attack came from a quickly thrown ball from Smith to Caddis in the second half. Balls into feet or along the deck for players to run on to should be our game plan.

We have probably got the shortest team in the league, and yet we still endeavor pumping long balls up top only to see them come straight fucking back at us 15 seconds later.

That is the managers fault.

He should really fall on his sword and fuck the fuck off

I understand that but how can this board keep him in a job, Seriously? He can't keep living off last year, It's over and done with he's got to be judged on the here and now, His signings haven't worked out for one reason or another, I think he lacks motivation skills and his tactics and subs are questionable not to mention that whenever we go behind we know we aren't going to win because he lacks a plan B and cannot change a game!

I think he should go now, We will only get dicked on Monday on live tv.

On that we can agree.

And I'd be more than happy for Smith (or Lucas) to bowl early as much as possible.

Agreed. Either Wilson is telling them to do it or he isn't telling them not to. The number of times we lost the ball due to an aimless long ball in the first half was ridiculous, I gave up counting at 20 times. Fucking pointless.

I'm not necessarily supporting the actions of the board and I try and avoid looking at previous seasons as reasons/excuses to keep a manager. However, there is something about the idea of sacking Danny Wilson that makes me nervous.

Perhaps it's because Iffy Onuora didn't do much when he replaced Andy King? Perhaps it's because we still struggled when Wilson took over from Malpas?

I don't know. I guess it goes down to that unpredictable action of adequately replacing the manager because the board cannot guarentee that a new appointment will work out. What if we're left with Shirtliff? or Bodin? What if we appoint someone that produces an almighty cry of 'meh' from the fanbase and is never given a fair chance? In fairness, Wilson was hardly given a rapturous welcome was he!

Apologies I'm 'thinking out loud'.

There's a lack of movement on the pitch which leads to the hoof balls.

Smith doesn't like to play it out through the defense because he knows 50% of the time he'll get a dodgy back-pass back and he panics. His kicking isn't good, it never has been and he isn't confident enough to leather it with his left foot in times when it's needed.

For what it's worth, I don't think Smith had a bad game and shouldn't be a scapegoat to a poor team performance.

If Fitton has said we're sticking with Wilson then why did he set the 3 targets - 2 of which Wilson has failed and the third is now laughable that it could be achieved. He'd be better saying regardless of what the fuck he does, he's staying. Setting the targets sets the fans expectations and I think most of us thought they were achievable but to be knocked out of 3 cups at home to Orient, Brentford and Crawley is disgraceful. If I didn't hit my targets at worked I'd be fucked.

from what i've seen,smiths kicking at best is average for a goal keeper.at times it's fucking awful.
can't comment on today as i didn't go.
with a lump like pericard up top it's always going to go long.nothing new there. been doing it for ages now

I have enough faith in Fitton to think he'll be looking at his options. I don't think he's the sort of person who'd put question marks over the manager's position until he's going to actually act.

He publicly supported Malpas right up to the point where he took action didn't he?

but we're so fucking dumb that we still do it when Pericard isn't there, like for an hour today.

lack of confidence i would guess is why.lump it as far away from our goal as possible and hope the % hoof goes in our favour.

We were lumping it up to Ball today Arriba. The brief spell in the game when we took control we starting playing through the midfield and trying through balls. They didn't always work but we pinned Bournemouth back due to this and it was much better to see us playing football.

As soon as the hoofing up to Ball/Austin/Pericard/Nobody started again we were getting nothing from the game. It seems to me that we do a very good job at making opposing teams look very organised, hungry, physical and generally like men against boys at times. It's very reminiscent of the Millwall matches at the end of last year. Except we're not playing teams who are as good at these strengths as Millwall. I think it's because we're unconfident, struggling for ideas and lacking direction/leadership. There's no bite to this team anymore, it's a real shame to say.

Nah, it's Austin - from goal kicks anyway. Austin peels off to the wing ready for it.

I thin Arriba has it right, hoofball is being played due to lack of confidence/lack of options. It clearly does us no favours, but nobody wants to move for fear of fucking up.

Those of you who think Wilson is a bad manager are totally deluded.

You dont get to the playoff final by luck, but by hard work & skill over the course of 46 games. Managers dont lose their skill over night, Wilson is the same manager he was back in May.

We lost 3 key players over the summer who haven't been adequately replaced:- Greer, Payner & Ward. My understanding is that Greer wanted a 3yr contract, but it was Fitton, not Wilson who turned him down. Paynter & Ward were both outstanding last year. People here need to take a reality check, we cannot simply go out and buy another Payner or Ward, they are either too expensive or dont exist.

Personally, I think there are problems behind the scene. Perhaps Wilson & Fitton are no longer seeing eye-to-eye and this is affecting performances on the pitch, or perhaps there is a division in the camp. Who knows?

Overall, yes today was poor, very poor. However, what is the alternative? Fitton wants the club to be self sustainable and hence won't blow the budget on big name signings. I agree with this, lets not forget the club was close to going out of business only a few years ago. Secondly, who would come in???? Its nice to hypothetically name a manager, but you have to consider availability, price, and desire to come here.

Football has moved on alot since we were last in the 2nd tier, and we have been left in the slow lane. We are an average lg1 club at best, and Wilson is the best manager we can afford. Get real.

I don't think anyone is saying Wilson is a bad manager, but it's clear that for whatever reason he's not doing a good enough job at the moment.

You're right managers don't lose their skill overnight, but their tactics become more known to the opposition and if they haven't got any sort of backup plan they're left floundering.

Anyway, if every club took the attitude when they're doing badly that the manaager is the same as he was however many months ago when they were doing better, no manager would ever get sacked!

Wilson and Fitton are as thick as thieves...no division there...he would have been gone after Crawley if there was.
For me his problem is playing his best players out of position...JPM Caddis etc.
Round pegs in square holes may work in the odd match....but for a whole season no chance....Ball has been totally fucked about here...he is a centre forward for fucks sake not a wing man.
Also discipline has cost us with Douglas and Sheehan picking up ridiculous red cards.
Tubbs,Pitman etc could have been signed but instead DW went for players with deep pockets....Pericard,Prutton,Obrien,just a few on big money......leaving nought to invest in new talent.
Personally i want him to stay....fact is experienced players have let us down badly.

Bollocks. He wouldn't have got us to the playoffs last year by playing the same tactics week in week out, and sides knowing what tactics we would play. He got us to the play offs last year simply by having a better team, who knew how to get the ball down and play football. Greer controlled the game from the back & always looked to pass it around short, losing Greer as far as I understand wasn't Wilsons fault. Ward offered the creative spark, and is no ones fault he was on loan. Payner complemented Austin very well and scored a bag full of goals. He was out of contract, so it was inevitable he would leave when a big club came sniffing.

Your last point is total crap as well. Some of the most successful clubs in the country have had the same manager for several years & the club has supported him throughout the bad patches.

Blaming the manager is the quick and easy option. Fans need to appreciate the bigger picture and the financial constraints the club must work under to survive. Yes, the current run of results is very poor but the players & manager need our full support.

You did watch us towards the end of the season didn't you? Bar the charlton games we were very average from April onwards

Exactly!

One trick pony!

Probably fairer and easier to say 1 win in our final 6 as we started April with two 3-0 wins including Leeds away ;)

Losing Greer maybe not have been his fault...but getting an adequate replacement was....also getting players motivated for matches is down to him.
Beating Sheffield Wednesday is great....providing three days later you aint totally outplayed by a non lge side
Who's to blame for that.....players should be up for every match.....not just the big ones.
As i said i dont want him sacked......but he has to shoulder blame and that was what joteddyred is saying.
Your loyalty is nice but the fact is you are in a minority at this present time...get used to it.

the most successful clubs have long term managers because the managers are successful, which is fairly fucking obvious really.

What a ridiculous statement. I didn't hear 5000+ singing we want wilson out today did you?

That would suggest you are in the majority with your anti wilson sentiment, however unfortunately a handful of internet geeks doesn't equate to the majority of our fanbase just yet...

Read my post... i am not anti Wilson......but the majority are.....you are the ridiculous one to think different.

Just because people dont sing it doesnt mean that it isnt peoples opinion.

True but it is usually a significant statement though.

the majority of who? the eight thousand odd fans there today?

I must have missed the deafening wilson out chants from 5000 fans there.

I agree with Dave :eek: :D

Read there thoughts instead....you will get a bigger idea.

A few tried to start Danny wilsons red and White army, it didn't really get going tho.

I'd generally agree but we dont sing anything anymore ever now.

Fair enough... I don't go so couldn't possibly comment.

like I say, the thoughts of a handful of people on the internet doesn't equal the majority of our fanbase.
you're confusing the internet with real life here I think, unless you're suggesting there are 5000 people on the internet who want wilson out, who keep quiet when they actually go to the football

sounds feasible

And therein lies most of our points.

He had the money to bring people in, and indeed he has.

It's just that they are all shit lazy fucking crap

That to me lays at the managers door, no one else

As i said...three times,i am with you on this....hope he stays.
Fact is this forum gives a good indication of how fans are feeling...its not just a forum for slagging...its is a forum ware all sides are fairly well sounded.....its insulting to all to say fans on here dont show the more general view....i feel it does.

I disagree, for me this forum gives a good indication of the views of this forum, but not of our paying fanbase. the true measure of the views of our paying fanbase (ie the ones who matter) is the voice of the crowd.

The crowd sang for macari, and got him back, the crowd sang for kingy out, and he went.

A few geeks on keyboards can type all sorts of shit on here, but its all meaningless in the real world is all I'm saying.

I for one am glad that I'm a worthless geek with no valid opinion.

My mum has called me worse things.

Not reading the thread, can't be bothered. Wilson created his team last year and they were passionate, skillful and successful; this year they are lazy, clueless and fucking annoying. He has to take the blame and correct it this transfer window. And if Fitton has a) caused this with his ridiculous 'profit making' transfer policy (see Greer) and then b) won't back Wilson in the market but won't sack him, he can fuck off too.

These two posts sum up my thoughts far better than I am capable of doing tonight.

My point exactly. The Danny wilsons red and white army chant didn't get going did it!

I can't remember it being sung against p/boro either.

From a crowd with limited songs, this WAS a favourite

So basicly you reckon DW is here untill a certain percentage call for his head.
Most of the peeps on here are the paying fan base....and represent a fairly balanced view of all town fans...in my opinion anyway.
Not many geeks tap away on here.

The vibe I get in the town end is that people are losing patience. been like that for a few games now.

I reckon he's here until fitton gets rid of him. If the majority of the cg crowd chanted we want wilson out he'd be gone in a week.
Debatable who is paying fanbase and who isn't, no way of telling. thats the point of paying your money at the turnstile and having your say in the ground.
doesn't matter what is said on here, it isn't reflective of anything other than an internet poll.

Fact is a 3-0 win at Charlton will have us all wondering what the fuss is about :)

So we'd get everything we chanted for?

Ace

Yes Dave

We were just diabolical today, looked nervous in possession throughout the game, as a result we were just lumping it forward and just losing the ball all the time. Anyone see Prutton and Shirtliff having a barney in the 2nd half?

Ok, Smiths punch hits Austin, on the arm? hardly

deliberate, no chance. Shit decision.

I watched it a few times in slo-mo, Austin did move his arm towards the ball. How the ref saw it though in that split second I don't know.

Manchester United;' success under Fergie:

    * Premier League (11): 1992–93, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09
    * FA Cup (5): 1989–90, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1998–99, 2003–04
    * League Cup (4): 1991–92, 2005–06, 2008–09, 2009–10
    * FA Charity/Community Shield (9): 1990*, 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007, 2008, 2010 (* shared)
    * UEFA Champions League (2): 1998–99, 2007–08
    * UEFA Cup Winners' Cup (1): 1990–91
    * UEFA Super Cup (1): 1991
    * Intercontinental Cup (1): 1999
    * FIFA Club World Cup (1): 2008


He started the job in 1986.

The game that saved Fergie's career at Man Utd.

Charlie please take note of Mark Robins,for monday at Charlton....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHuUYa0sMnU

Just watched the penalty decision again. It was a penalty. The ref got it right. My reasoning is Austin was far enough away from Smith to react, which he did by moving his arm. It was one of a number of idiotic things Austin did yesterday.

As Sam said, whether the ref saw it or went with a shout is another thing.

But the ref did cost us the game. We may have got what we deserved in the result, but we were unquestionably denied what we were entitled to when he gave us a free kick on the edge of the area when Ritchie was fouled in the area. That penalty may just have given us an undeserved point.

Think our fans have been quite good. Think if any other manager there would have been "xxxx out!" chants by now. I think Wilson is living off the play off final he got us to last season. As others have stated, even in the run up to the play offs we had been off form and it has continued all this season. I have tried to defend Wilson as much as possible, but enough is enough. Have to join in with the rest in saying he must go.

I think the ref was poor but that hid how bad we were, if the ref had been strong or fair i think the Wilson out chants could have started yesterday. The free kick was defintely a penalty the ref just made the descion from where Ritchie landed not where the foul happened, if the ref had been stronger it could have ended 9 or 10 a side.

Ritchie dived, it wasn't a foul.

Irrelevant. He gave a foul. The point is it was inside he box not outside.

Ritchie spent 90 minutes diving yesterday. It was embarrassing. Stay on your feet.

As did Austin, lest we forget. And shooting ridiculously off target from distance.

One of Austin's worst games for us, wasn't that hot against Posh either. Hope the scouts were watching and decide he's not worth the money ;)

I thought Danny Wilson put out our best possible team yesterday. I didnt think it was a bad performance, weve certainly had a lot worse this season. But we had to win yesterday to pull clear of the relegation scrap. Cant see us getting anything from the next 2 games, so there will be massive pressure on our next home game, against Yeovil.

Yesterday could have gone either way. Weve been mediocre all season. Danny Wilson must stay to rebuild for next season.  

Just like paynter before he fucked off

That's not to say Ritchie isn't worth signing. He's a very handy player and gives us balance and a will chip in with a few from midfield. He'll be a good signing if we can tie it up, but we can't carry too many players as lightweight as him in the side.

Erm, yeah.

I'm putting it down to no player being able to be brilliant for 4o odd games  a season. But I fear that you are right.

This is correct and i'm one of em!!

The problem with Ritchie for me is that we don't give him enough of the ball. Get him on the ball and get him putting it in the box. I think he also needs to do this a bit more when he does eventually get the ball. He barely got a touch against Posh and was marked out well yesterday. Think he managed 2 crosses. I think something is there but when you dont get the ball there's not a lot you can do as a player in all honesty.

Just checked the stats ..............59% pocession to Bournemouth....fucking hell!

I came away thinking i had been to an away game yesterday..

Something has to give now..... i woke up pissed off this morning...

I think the fans are now mourning the loss of this season in terms of any achievement.

But the quicker we get over this and look forward the better. Sacking Danny Wilson now will make things worse, not better.

Any old shouty manager can come in and get the team running around like headless chickens, and nicking 1-1 draws. Then what happens at the end of the season? That manager will be found out in 12 months time, it doesnt work over a long period of time. Danny Wilson is a manager who can make us hit real heights if we get a bit more luck in the transfer market. Unfortunately, I dont think Danny Wilson is a good manager for fighting relegation, because he will still try and play good football. He's got a bit of a laissez faire attitude to the game.

The Rovers match in a few weeks is looking a big six pointer ...for all the wrong reasons.

What are we looking forward to Spencer? Yesterday was a typical Malpas performance as have others this season. The only thing I've got to look forward to is avoiding relegation and that isn't a given. As there are no attractive teams for the fans gates will reduce eg Tranmere on a Tuesday night. What will ST sales be like next season. We're placing a lot of trust in this group of players and the coaching staff and like a lot of people yesterday my trust had been waning for a while but has now completely gone.

I'll give him January but if Wilson was capable of turning us around wouldnt he have done it by now?

Apart from Phil Smith and Jon-Paul McGovern they were all players Wilson has bought in himself. So do we even trust him enough in January to bring in better players?

Well I'm reaching the end of the window that I was willing to give Wilson. If we've not seen any improvement by the end of this month then I think we are going to be in serious, serious trouble. As it is, there's still time to turn things around and finish the season strongly. But my belief is at a low point right now.

Had an interesting conversation this morning before our sunday league game with my mates step dad who was the linesman on the DRS side of the pitch yesterday. He did the Forest pre-season game but is the first time he's done a competitive game at our place.

Apparently the game only just went ahead as Bournemouth brought their home kit and we wouldn't let them use our away kit, if it had been called off Bournemouth would have got a £25k fine so some how they found a kit.

I haven't seen the highlights but apparently the penalty they got was blatant as our player had his hands up. The second one where their player got booked was a blatant dive and the player actually apologised to the ref after the match and said 'he was taking the piss a bit with the dive'. I said the ref was pretty useless and he disagreed as you would expect but oh well.

As for the game he thought we were awful and reckons we could be on our way down and isn't sure Wilson will be around much longer as he didn't talk to any of the players after the match and there seemed a real lack of team spirit.

Finally apparently Austin is an absolute nightmare for officials with all his falling over and it was a bit embarrassing when he went down in the second half claiming he was hit in the face as there was no real contact.

Quite interesting to get the officials insight into the game every now and then.

Probably sums up exactly how i feel......four wins on the bounce and it could all be different.

We're not going to win four on the bounce though are we. Stop coming out with all this nonsense rhetoric

Hard to see where a win will come from at the moment. Let alone 4.

Just trying very hard to be a little up beat....we will win tomorow.

If we win tomorrow I will eat my face

Quoted for posterity. I don't think we'll win or anything but it's the kind of thing we'd do.

Rather you than me...we will win.

firstly I sit in the arkells behind the dug out and Charlie came over to the bench after that challenge with a bloody nose which the lady physio had to clear up, so it's amazing to think how that happend without any contact.

Secondly the ref WAS pony- fact.

Thirdly, how the fuck does the lino know what Wilson said to his players?

I'm not shooting the messenger but this guy sounds like a tool! Only thing he gotright was that we were awful...

Maybe Wilson didn't say anything as the players walked off, but i can't imagine he'd have gone into the dressing room and blanked everybody, especially seeing as he didn't come out to talk to the media until about 5.45pm

That's what I was thinking!

I haven't observed that Austin falls over a great deal - either yesterday or generally.  Ritchie was one who seemed to do so yesterday.
And certainly there was blood on his (Austin's) face after the challenge - and he was making this very clear to the lino when he got up!

he fell over twice once when getting a whack in the face the second he had his heals clipped.

Some new players, and the emergence of a new team in time for next season under Danny Wilson.

That's what we just had this summer though?

We didnt sign players in the positions the team needed. Too many squad players, not enough first team players.

plus, does anyone have enough faith in him to replace the deadwood with the quality required? can he identifiy the quality? can he attract them?

Its quite amazing how all his signings one season work out and the following season none of them do. Is it just fluke, Budgie gone? or another reason?

...and whose fault do you suppose that is?

That's my point mate. He signed the wrong players so why will next summer be any different.

Paynters contribution last season has now shown to be immense....of course the defence has been poor but there have been plenty of games this season when anther scorer up front may have got us the points...instead of just one/none....

I think the board wanted Ferry and Caddis because they are young players who's value might increase and they made all the moves on that one.

Wilson himself had to go shopping for free transfers, we didnt spend money on anyone else.

I dont rate the summer transfer window anyway, its an expensive time to buy, unless you chance your arm and wait until the deadline day, 2 weeks into the season. Danny Wilson can pick up good players in the next 4 weeks, the board must back him.

It strikes me that until this season since Wilson has been here we have been a team on the up.

First season he took over when we looked likely to get relegated, but we stayed up.
Second season, a Wembley play-off final.

This season has been poor, but do you really sack the manager the first time he has a bad patch?


There was an interesting comment about managers only staying in a job for long periods if they were successful. Well I guess someone forgot to tell Arsenal that, after years of success they have won jack shit for 5 years. I guess that means Wenger should have been sacked four years ago.

In those 5 years they've what, finished top 4 in the Premier League every season and got into the Champions League.

Fucking horrendous hey!

Aresnal haven't been 3 points away from relegation mid-way through a season ffs

Whoever the manager is, if we are waiting until the summer to sign players, then I think you can forget next season for a promotion challenge as well. We need 2 new first team players this january.

Incredibly Arsenal have NEVER been relegated from the top lge.....unreal record really.

No other team can boast that.

everton?

Think they have been down....will check

1931 and 1951 I think

Sad cunt.

*knowledgeable cunt

i think arsenal have been relegated.not sure though

http://www.evertonfc.com/history/club-honours.html

Arsenal only......NEVER been relegated.

Why are you under the impression you cant sign good players in the summer?

got a feeling arsenal were relegated in 1914, not sure though

they have, but as Woolwich Arsenal.

1913.

...who can use Google.

You can, but I dont think you get value for money in the summer, unless you wait until deadline week, when it might well be too late. You might have brought in another player (see Prutton and Ferry this summer).

Its all about being the highest bidder in the summer. Fees and wages. Agents get a bit busy, I also think that during the close season most players seem to think they are a lot better than they actually are. Whereas during the season, its more obvious what the real value of players is.

Getting Douglas was a bit of a miracle, and was down to the fact that he wanted to sign for us. He got offers of bigger wages from other clubs.

Not Arsenal though......that was Woolwich Arsenal......Arsenal have never been relegated ;)

you're right

They were first promoted to the old First Division (then the top flight) in 1904 but were relegated in 1913 after finishing bottom. They were controversially promoted to the First Division again in 1919 despite only finishing 5th in the Second Division (at the time they were officially placed 6th due to an error in calculating goal averages).

The dubious claim that they have never been relegated as Spencer rightly points out rests on the fact that they changed their name in 1914 from Woolwich Arsenal to Arsenal.

Out of the two windows, summer and winter, it's the summer one thats less manic

Thats a bad thing. Agents and players just sit on offers in the summer, waiting for a better one to come in.

I always thought it was generally reckoned Jan was a more expensive time to buy, and with less quality available. That's what all the pundits seem to keep saying

This is probably the most significant point made so far

So if we change our name now to Swindon United it means we'll also be able to claim we've never been relegated for the next four months or so?

Yeah, for Premier League clubs, trying to buy first team players on the up, like Charlie Austin.

We're pretty much the exact opposite, trying to buy surplus squad players from Premier League, SPL and Championship clubs.

:sherlock: :sherlock:

My point exactly, towards the end of last season other teams had worked out the way we played and Wilson had no back-up plan.  This has continued into this season.


Examples?  if you're meaning the likes of Ferguson and Wenger their 'bad' patches constitute finishing outside of the top 4 - hardly comparable!  

Who they're desperate to offload to fund buying the players on the up. Makes sense. I should have known I was talking shit when I typed "That's what all the pundits seem to keep saying" :)

Getting bored with this now. Wilson should concentrate his efforts on getting a couple of strikers in as soon as possible, regardless of whether or not Austin goes.

Most of our problems this season have been magnified X10 by us not putting the opposition under any sustained pressure up front. We've relied on Charlie too fucking much - which is the wrong way to treat any 2nd year pro, let alone one of his obvious talent - and the Dossevi / VP combination is just wank.

The fact that Wilson has stuck with poor quality strikers in TD and VP, when it's glaringly fucking obvious that neither of them are up to the job, leads me to think something else must be up at the club. Ditto the failure to bring in a decent central defender for so long.

If only for self preservation, Wilson would be a twat not to do something major about the problems we have had this season. He's clearly not a twat, so maybe his hands are tied behind his back?

I wonder if the stadium development may be the new holy grail for the board now that the fun / gloss of having a failed and expensive pop at promotion has worn off? They've invested a tidy old sum between them since they took over. Failure last season cant have been easy to swallow in financial terms. Times are tougher now than when they took over etc etc.

Something isn't fucking right, obviously. Not sure it's down to Danny Wilson suddenly being useless though.

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This is the handball. Fuck knows what the ref was doing signalling his hand was near his head

Been on the BBC website and seen the slightly better than the shit TV highlights.

Our Pen shout not shown??  Is it shown on STFC TV or whatever its called?

VP was unlucky with that low drive......after that he should give up.

No its not shown on STFC player either.  Neither is the pen shout they had where the player was booked.  Really shit highlights all round.

Send the club a shitty Email. You pay extra, you should expect them to show the key moments.